Temtem CEO Calls Out Fans For Expecting "Infinite Content", But is This Even True?

What do you guys think? Is the CEO Right? Are the Fans Right? Is everyone missing eachother here? How would you like to see Temtem change as a franchise, or is it fine as is? Let me know your thoughts!
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[@alphamuplays1669]

infinite content? you made an mmo? like you made a live service game and complain because people want it to have new content? all that they have released is stuff from the base game roadmap

[@FaolanHart]

They think the new content is players buying new microtransactions.

[@organiclaugh]

So true, lol @@FaolanHart

[@marcusclark1339]

nah, it doesn't just cause mmo it needs to be always available massive online space than shut down but what it really needed was a offline mode

[@pikapat321]

MMOs get constant updates until servers go offline, that’s the nature of the genre, there are 20 year old MMOs still getting content updates

[@marcusclark1339]

nah its fine for it not to the point is more being a massive multiplayer space than continual updates the problem they have is no offline mode

[@chronoatog5650]

@@marcusclark1339Issue here is what's the point of the fomo cash shop + battlepass? What am I supporting? The issue is they want the live service money without the live service effort which pisses a lot of people off. Also this online mode has no speak of development or if any of the features will stay, they might just cut off all multiplayer opportunity so no coop/trading/pvp post shutdown, Just the base game with less content now.

[@midnight1978]

TemTem being forced Online-Play is the only reason I never got it in the first place. It shouldn't be to hard to make it an offline-game at this point if they don't wanna continue updating it like an MMO. It would make the whole Drama a lot easier to handle

[@el8901]

i goy iy in the begining it was a good but he fucked up a lot

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

I too am on the "I will buy this as soon as it's offline" train and have been since I saw the first trailer.

[@metashadow3924]

@@mckinleyostvig7135 I'm curious, why does it have to be playable offline for you to play it?

[@audi.6106]

Same here, if they add offline I'll buy it. The whole mmo thing was a bad idea to begin with

[@incineroar9933]

Same. I have a lot of doctors appointments, if I buy a game it's usually to play in the waiting rooms.

[@cristianzirbau6872]

It was an mmo. That's how they work, you keep adding content or expansions.

[@marcusclark1339]

not really, itsm ore important its a massive online space than receiving content sure that's good to have but not a necessity

[@cristianzirbau6872]

@@marcusclark1339 name 1 mmo that does not do content drops at all! The dev is basically saying we will still update bugs but we are done with this game. No temtems no islands no nada.

[@exocitus8731]

For me the saddest or funniest part is that the CEO made this statement trying to play the victim while he missed almost every point that the community asked, talked or discussed about in the last two years. The game still has not released all the promised features from Kickstarter, all the updates with content were just that, features from kickstarter with a few QOL here and there, the game could as well be still in early access because the 1.0 release was just so that they could implement a battle pass and the cosmetic shop, mind you at the 1.0 launch the game had already sold 1 million copies and the director of the game said that the servers cost were low enough that they would not have to worry about it for years, the game also is one of the most expensive on this genre and with the deluxe edition it goes up to $60! That is what the community has been asking all this time, not for infinite content but for content, where is the money that is supposedly to support the game going to? Why have a battle pass, a cosmetic shop and a buy to play game if there is not new content and the devs don't communicate with the players? Also talking about how players should abandon Temtem so that they could develop Temtem 2 because they are just in Temtem 1 still because "we want to" is something so out of touch while trying to be the victim that I don't even know why he written that. Also every time that people ask for "Whats in the future of the game?" they are clearly so vague because they don't intend to make a future for the game, I had hope for Temtem but I will say, I don't intent to support Crema and it's clear how they see players as, I also don't ask anyone to review bomb Swarm but I will ask to just not supporting, make the message clear that everyone lost trust of the studio and that while they don't show clear signs that they will make matters better (which I doubt that they will based on this statement of the CEO) they will not receive support.

[@TwilightBahamut]

I'm with you on this one, I fully supported Crema I've purchased the highest edition available and I've purchased microtransactions in the hopes to help the dev team to keep going and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who did that so where did all that money went to? a bullet hell roguelite? No thanks, lost my business Crema have a good day.

[@MarkoDank]

Man, new monsters in a monster-catching game is too much to ask? Man, what a world we live in.

[@crobatoverlord7378]

Yeah, imagine other monster tamer franchises like Pokemon or Nexomon would do this... oh. wait.

[@BeliasLP]

@@crobatoverlord7378they ask for more money tho, if you pay up, you get new monsters

[@HitmonD]

​@@crobatoverlord7378at least gamefreak hit 1000+ pokemon before ever saying that

[@Poweruser75]

There's no reason to keep giving new monsters if the game is finished and especially if the people are not willing to pay for the work that needs to be done. I guess it is too much to ask because it isn't happening. What's the world coming to? It's coming to people getting tired of the bull crap.

[@kai0318]

@@Poweruser75 This is disingenuous. No one ever said anything about new stuff for free. People would have very happily bought expansions for Temtem, but Crema stubbornly refused time and again. If the game was another monster-taming game that you could play solo whenever, I'm sure people wouldn't mind Crema doing whatever after release, but they've made an MMO, while simultaneously denying Temtem what people look for in MMOs to begin with.

[@aacf-2917]

i dont care about the infine content i just want the offline mode

[@Zegoggy]

no we dont need and want an offline mode.

[@Drzestrella19]

​@Zegoggy we do actually.

[@Hh-ll5mm]

This is just a classic class of developers throwing words around and making big promises and only later realize they don't have the resources for it. The developers made a single player game and forced it to be a always-online gaas MMO despite not having the necessary skills and resources to create an always-online GAAS-MMO, but instead of admitting that they kept pushing for it. If you dont want to make an always-online MMO with frequent content updates, then don't make one or market it as an always-online MMO. Like nearly every article called Temtem a Pokemon MMO and the devs never corrected that and sometimes called it an MMO themselves. Eventually people will call you out for stuff like that. Brands & developers need to build up Trust if they want to stay relevant for a long time. "Promises made, promises kept" is the key word.

[@andyfox4484]

Long story short, they advertised their game as mmo and delivered an online coop game instead, basically a rented game that they are now planning to abandon cutting access to everyone who PAID for the game expecting a live service support. And not only that, they expect ppl to follow through and fall out for their bait AGAIN and support their next scam. No thank you very much, i will stay as far away as possible from anything they make.

[@AngelicMissMarie]

This is exactly why people were so against it being an MMO in the first place, as soon as it came out it had all the exact same problems 99% of all MMO's do when the game should have been singleplayer with multiplayer options. This is baffling on so many levels.

[@lata1224]

"When we tried to introduce purley cosmetic mtx as a way to support us and extend the life of the game, we received many negative criticisms" He doesnt mention that those mtx were $16 for mounts, $4 for titles, and $15 for emoticon temcard seals. I'd forgive all of that if they did the "support" part of the statement. But keeping the lights on at Crema isn't "support". You charge $45 for the game, you have a predatory fomo marketplace, you had an extremely successful kickstarter, you have a publisher. How much more money do you need to add next to nothing?!

[@gusty7153]

when i think of cosmetics, i think specifically of avatar costumes. the kind of stuff that every other mmorpg offers.

[@Poweruser75]

How much money? As much as they can get. Or as much as the people are willing to pay. And if it doesn't cut their bottom line then it gets axed.

[@Cuprite1024]

Jesus christ, that's highway robbery.

[@FaolanHart]

They're making a Vampire Survivors style game now. They operate like any mobile or AAA game company. Just trying to suck as much money out of people as possible.

[@chibiparty2376]

It isn't just $45 on the Switch. The $45 version is just the base game. You need to pay an extra $20 to be able to do things like chat with other players, trade, and the ability to own more than 30 Temtem. Yeah. $65. Not including tax. Just to be able to do everything that was promised. I am so glad I did my research before buying.

[@riotkitty]

Crema is walking on thin ice. Like if the company didn’t want TemTem to be an MMO why halfheartedly treat it like one?

[@DavidUtau]

Easy. Because you can't just "crack"/pirate a MMO. And also, just so you can lie to your customers about it being a "MMO" in the first place, and implement a mtx shop.

[@BerryBandit]

Its simple MMO = Marketing Tactic

[@Kirochii]

I'm probably missing something here... They added a Battle Pass and cosmetics to be able to get support from fans who paid the full price of the game and these same players are complaining about the lack of content but ... wouldn't it be far easier to just release DLC if they were gonna go with this business model? It seems to me that what they want is the perks of selling a full priced game with the added bonus of in-game purchases while at the same tossing out excuses for why the game gets nearly no content updates

[@TheFearsomeRat]

6:50 Honestly, I think it may be safe to say Temtem may as well be dead. Which is sad when you look at bloody Eternal Crusade having lasted longer then Temtem, and that game was just a mess to the point that the entire dev team jumped ship from it and left it to a skeleton screw who barely had any idea what they were doing, and were expected to clean up the mess, deal with the broken promises, etc., all that were the doing of the original developers. Like Crema is dripfeeding the dripfeed content, and now I honestly think they wanted to make it an MMO to be "cool and quirky", rather then handing out a single player or co-op experience that would have been much better recived then a Single Player game with MMO problems stacked ontop of it, I just don't have any faith left in Crema and Swarm was just the last nail in the coffin for me. EDIT: 11:10 Yea, I would be, like I'd be fine if Monster Sanctuary dropped a paid DLC as well, as a PvE player I have no reason to play TemTem for either a Monster Tamer or an MMO, I have better options where I feel like my time is actually respected and very recently Final Fantasy 14 came to Xbox which is what I play TemTem on, so while I'd be fine with seeing paid DLC expansions, I'd no longer be a Day-1Buyer, and I honestly doubt Cerma would do a paid DLC like that.

[@MaxBurnHeart]

No, it's not. The CEO post is wrong on so many levels. People didn't expect the world, they just wanted to have any meaningful content. Or any bug fixes and QoL changes. Not having another island is fine, but Temtem was always marketed as a "creature collector MMO". However, they completely failed on the MMO part, and the post-game is just garbage. Like, new temtems should be absolutely basic, and they didn't add any for a very long time. There was never a point where it had a fun and engaging end game. Just a bunch of boring chores. It doesn't help either that the changes they made over the last years were absolutely horrible. Like, "Free Temtem" stuff was a decent way to earn some money, free your slots, and encourage you to catch monsters. But after they reworked it for god knows what reason, now it's just another boring chore. Which, to make it even more ridiculous, it is possible to soft-lock the player. And then, banning people who put any criticism, even those that were completely valid is just icing on this ugly cake. Like, the story mode is good enough to justify this game's price. But when you finish the story- there are plenty of other games with more meaningful post-game. That's why it should've been a single-player game all along.

[@gusty7153]

ah ya that reminds me. pokemon had awesome post game for years. all temtem had to do was just copy one of the post game features of pokemon

[@exocitus8731]

@@gusty7153They tried with Tamer's Paradise inspired by Pokémon Battle Frontier and Battle Resorts, the thing is: The devs probably don't play the game so they lack the grasp of what is fun and what is not, they didn't put enough or unique rewards, they added too many restrictions, the entry cost was too high, the scaling is broken and it makes it all just unfun. Look at the events that they removed entirely from the game because people complained that it was too grind for no reason and it made it just unfun to do, they made a statement playing the victim and how they could not satisfy all players so they decided to just remove instead of making it less grind and more rewarding.

[@giantmonkey]

@@gusty7153 I'm always legitimately baffled when monster tamer games don't have a battle tower for postgame. It's literally near-infinite replayability for not a lot of work.

[@gusty7153]

@@giantmonkey exactly

[@el8901]

yep thats half the reson why i left this shittty game

[@elvickRULES]

It’s an MMO. (So they say it’s not actually, just a single player game with online features that can’t be played offline) Now they’re making another game in another genre that at its best (Vampire Survivors) requires content updates and support after failing to give their “MMO” content updates and support.🙄 They deleted my first comment pointing this out in the announcement on Steam because it was “disrespectful”. And I’m sure their game isn’t going to be $2.99 at launch at what $4.99 now, when it offers 100h+ of content and still being supported.

[@makootithebionicman3612]

aaaand adding censorship to the sins list. good job crema!

[@snintendog]

@@makootithebionicman3612 nothing new there they have been banning people that report bugs for YEARS.

[@Bubby0304]

Crema could teach a master class on how to deal with PR in your community. Everything they teach you should just assume the opposite and you will be able to cater a great community and keep good relations with said community. Every step of the way Crema has been shitty to the player-base and have held an approach that can be boiled down to "We know better than you" and its been draining supporting this game. They should never have made Temtem an MMO (or a pseudo-mmo) if they are unwilling to listen to the community they want to maintain. They would have been better off leaving the game as a campaign with multiplayer features so they don't need to maintain their bullshit "economy" or other poor decisions. I will not support Crema at all moving forward, and I am sad to see how Temtem went this way when it had so much potential.

[@bigchungus7870]

Absolutely wild that the dead cells devs who probably has a lower budget than temtem managed to have more updates than temtem. The craziest part is that the devs of dead cells kept the updates coming for years. Really just shows the power of focusing on improving your game over profits.

[@bigchungus7870]

Yes I know evil empire worked on most of the updates but my point still stands

[@snintendog]

Dude PALWORLD has had more updates since release than TEMTEM Palworld is only a month old and cares more about bugs then TEMTEM ever did.

[@MurtorSH]

Sometime between version 0.1 and 0.5 Crema changed their behavior. It started from being very open and transparent to less and less communicative to almost being tone deaf. I remember a bug in the mines (3rd map), which caused players to get stuck between a wall and a tamer NPC. This bug was present for months. People (I saw at least one stuck post each and every day) had to write a ticket in the forum or had to ask in the Discord for help. Either a statt member had to manually unstuck them or other people had to come up with solutions. I wrote an post on the forum talking about the issue and asking them, why they just simply move that NPC away/disable the fight against, which caused getting stuck in the first place. I can not remember what the exactly answer was. But at the end they decided to wait for the next big content update to fix that issue. Just. Imagine. Keeping a game breaking bug around which causes frustration for players and needing a statt member dedicated to manually help players. When they said, they want to shut down the forum to limit communication to the Discord, it was mind blowing (in a very negative way). So many questionable decisions, and they kept defending it. Suffice to say, Crema lost touch with their community long ago.

[@Zolrain]

Oh buddy boy if you knew the game breaking bugs they allowed to stay for entire seasons of pvp. These bugs were also abused by players for wins as well and didnt get banned.

[@losgann]

I feel for the devs in some ways but nobody forced them to make their monster tamer an MMO, you have to contend with the baggage of the genre you've decided to develop in and it's not the fan's fault those genre expectations exist. The first line of the Steam description is "Temtem is a massively multiplayer creature-collection adventure." and the developer set genre tags on Steam include 'Massively Multiplayer' and 'MMO' so its not like the fans got the wrong impression from somewhere other than the official marketing and branding.

[@inexistentedioh]

"Infinite content" are mayor words ALL WE WANTED WAS MORE PVE CONTENT AND MAYBE A FEW NEW TEMTEMS

[@snintendog]

OFFLINE MODE Fuck it lets boot up RPGMAKER and make a better TEMTEM

[@in-craig-ible6160]

Oh, who could have seen this happening...Temtem's CEO should have seen it happening. Also, they complain about fans wanting infinite content, yet they made an entirely new game? If they'd taken that time and effort that went into Swarm, put it into the original game, and addressed some of the bigger, more pressing issues from fans, none of this backlash would be happening right now. Hell, we could be talking about Temtem right now the same way everyone's talking about Palworld. But we're not.

[@snintendog]

Not with how they love to ban bug reporters. TEMTEM has always hated bug reporters much less FIXING THEM.

[@lancefillmore9980]

I think paid dlc would be viable. The problem is what the ceo says it makes him seen like a complete ass. He is saying it's not an mmo, so there shouldn't be continuous explanations like WoW has. Well, if that's the case, make an offline mode. That's all I would ask for is an offline version so I don't lose all my stuff when the servers go down, which I think will be soon based on how few players there are. If he only caterers to the minority of his base, then he will go out of business soon.

[@makootithebionicman3612]

cut out the stupid economy decisions and like the breed limitations and other dumb shit too.

[@Kratos263]

Crema : It's an MMO! Players : So add content to the game Crema : No it's not an MMO! Players : OK, then give us an offline mode Crema : No it's an MMO!

[@dgeneratio1]

What they should do is adding Arcade Bar like what was in the Roadmap then make the game into an Offline Story similar to Pokemon with Online Elements. Make the Tem Park into a Safari Zone, They already have a Battle Frontier. You can still have your Daily and Weekly Quest by adding an NPC without the Online Elements.

[@BerryBandit]

they should

[@ericschauer5950]

I agree

[@dragonscy8581]

Someone on Reddit had a good point: They wanted to have all the benefits of an MMO without putting in the effort to make it an MMO. That word has a certain expectation in the eyes of gamers, and Crema seems to not understand that. An MMO sort of has to be a live service game that gets consistent updates to keep the player base alive and active. So I don't think it's unreasonable for people to expect new content. Especially because they're mostly asking for it since people do love the game and want to play it more. I think Temtem would have been fine marketed as a single-player experience with multiplayer content and honestly might have done better. As it stands the game is way too grindy for little reward and with the promise of no new content the game will just slowly continue to die. I would have absolutely paid, reasonably, for a DLC with new Temtem and story content and such. However I think at this point the community might not trust Crema to price any sort of DLC at a reasonable price after seeing what they would charge for mounts, emotes, etc. I can only hope that if or when they decide to do Temtem 2 they can actually listen to the community and make a game people would play instead of being stubborn and not being willing to take feedback....

[@elvickRULES]

MMO was just a marketing ploy for them.

[@dragonscy8581]

@@elvickRULES Oh yeah for sure. It's just frustrating seeing them annoyed at the players for seeing through it and calling them out on it!

[@snintendog]

@@dragonscy8581 I remeber Poke MMO delivering more than TEMTEM ever did. and that was a effing browser game.

[@darkmetal2412]

To think all this drama could be avoided if they just made an offline experience game. I don't know why small indies think they can make an MMO. Hopefully they make an offline update if the servers shut down.

[@nazeersadek6705]

Imagine being surprised that people want consistent updates for a game that was marketed as and is being treated as an MMO 😂 great video Ed all your points are valid and spot on

[@malik5531]

The TemTem CEO sounds like a jackass 🤣

[@SophieElizabethAnn]

Honestly all I could picture was the CEO doing surprised Pikachu face lmao

[@noahcooperider9834]

Becoming harder and harder to care about TemTem when clearly the people making it don't care about us

[@EdgardoJCruz-dk5kv]

I don't care if it gets extra content or not, I just want it to have an offline mode so I can still play it after its servers eventually get shutdown. If it remains online only then it servers gets shutdown, then it becomes unplayable lost media. Honestly it feels like Crema shot themselves in the foot by acting the way they do.

[@theyinyang1103]

As someone who has 1100-1200hrs in the game, i got my moneys worth, but i would love and play more if they made it offline playable, toned down the feather grind, and didnt (essentially) punish solo lair runs (worse stats for mythicals) and just made trading and battling possible online like pokemon. The only reason to be online is just to flex your luma or umbra tems, which while i do, i can easily live without.

[@Degu87L]

at least they should make it less grindy, that would be fine with me

[@The_Jamazing]

It really comes off as they don’t wanna make new content for TemTem, at least from what the CEO said. Just saying “you guys want infinite free content” when a fair amount of the community, if not most, would happily pay for new story content. It just seems pretty clear that they didn’t want to put in the work post launch.

[@snintendog]

Most of the player base wants an OFFLINE MODE The MMO aspect is just a poorly disguised scheme for Milking the whales of their money.

[@rx-0unicorngundam296]

also the funny thing is temtem swarm seems like they are making that a base singleplayer game which makes it funny to think about how temtem could be singleplayer they just dont want to because no money

[@masterchouin5401]

They are not the first one to do it but the whole "the community is the problem, you should feel bad, please continue buying are products" is a trend i will never understand. I mean does it really work?

[@snintendog]

only to gaslighters and whales too deep into the cash shop.

[@DullestStar9299]

Tem Tem devs are making enemies of gamers. It's best they tread lightly; they will lose a lot of Comsumers saying stuff like this. I, personally, have no interest in Tem Tem, and have never been interested in it. I just don't like MMOs and MMORPGs.

[@ericschauer5950]

I was interested till I found out it was a mmo. Honestly I think they lose alot of customers because of that

[@DullestStar9299]

@@ericschauer5950 Same. I was turned off from the game as soon as MMO was mentioned. Some MMOs are cool (there was a card game I used to love playing some time ago called Rise of Mythos), but most are just money-making schemes dressed up as gaming experiences. Tem Tem is no different.

[@Kratos263]

I'd say it's already too late. I can't see myself ever buying one of their games again

[@nivalisilva]

"Not like other MMOs" ...Brother, it sure has the painful grind of one. Literally the reason I stopped playing. Didn't feel like spending days of my life breeding and getting the funds to do so.

[@Kratos263]

"Not like other MMOs" mean all the downsides of an MMO but none of the upsides

[@TatharNuar]

Bellular News said it best: you can't make a live-service game without devoting your entire studio to just making that one game. Temtem isn't even an MMO; it's just a live-service game selling itself as one.

[@baddragonite]

I mean, it is kind of expected of an MMO to add content as time goes on, that's pretty much the norm of any live service game, and that is what they made and marketed, a live service game.

[@Talnova]

the main thing he said that bothered me was that other mmos have to be pay to win… it’s not true. Path of exile another game i play is online mmo-like and has quality of life and cosmetics only. They have been building their user base by releasing consistent content which attracts players and makes them more money. Obviously if you freeze the content you will lose players and therefore make less money…

[@pina6540]

I played this game a lot with many friends, but we all ended up giving up on it because it really seemed to have given up on us. I remember I became more aware of this on Early Access when they introduced Koish of the Week and Dojo Rematches, Temtem was a Co-Op Game (with a LOT of Co-Op bugs that needed fix), that had just introduced a grindy feature in which you take twice the amount of time to do Co-Op (KotW) and an exclusively Single Player feature (Dojos).. I even got to their forum to try and get their attention to how counter-intuitive this was, but there wasn't any response.. the game just became grindier and lonelier, which is ironic for both an MMO or a Co-Op Experience

[@celestialkitsune]

Saw this article already. Was hoping for a video from you about it.

[@Goblin_Scout_7777]

i thought the game was planned to have expansions that acted like sequels, pick new starters, go new places, all new tems and routes. then go to tamer's paradise and have all temtem you caught from all regions you went to...

[@cassascorner611]

100 percent agree with you Ed. I would love a dlc and would gladly pay extra for it. I love temtem and I like that they want to keep expanding the brand, but they definitely need to introduce new tems. Pokemon's formula works for a reason. That doesn't mean they need to adopt it, but there are pieces that work.

[@Lordodragonss]

LMAO, He dont want to get money? xD Litteraly push 3-4 new monsters every half year xD Or even add few attacks to shake meta

[@malik5531]

Right? I feel like it would be easy way to keep players engaged or even paid dlc/ subscriptions. Something! 🤣

[@charleskimblecomics5714]

Too think this was the game people thought would be the “Pokémon Killer”

[@87initialC]

Palworld: Hold my beer

[@snintendog]

@@87initialC Palworld: hMMM Hold the Fkey is a popular mod... HMM Pathing fixes is a popular mod... LETS IMPLEMENT THEM IN THE NEXT BUG FIX UPDATE. Temtem: Hmm Offline mode is always asked for.. Hmm any amount of Contnent not grindy is asked for. MORE CASH SHOP ITEMS AND ANOTHER BANWAVE FOR THOSE PESKY BUG REPORTERS!

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Palworld seems to be doing that now....

[@typhir5911]

I did not expect "infinite content", but I think the CEO is completely off the mark. Not every MMO uses a subscription model, some like Guild Wars 2 and Elder Scrolls Online use a Buy to Play model with their expansions. The issue is that they marketed the game as a MMO, it automatically gets compared to every other MMO and live service MMO-lite on the market, especially with its incredibly strict economic controls in place. You can't say your game is an MMO and then do very little to show for years on end. That's what caused much of the community to leave. They should have made paid DLC by now, hell a lot of us would pay the game's full price for more PvE content, but everything they have put out since the end of Early Access has not been it. Much of the end game content you don't even use the temtems you caught and are instead assigned random ones. They haven't earned their battle passes and heavy amounts of monetization practices. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You either are an MMO/live service game and thus need to add more content to the game to sustain the playerbase, or you are not and must remove the extra monetization as this is now a single player with optional coop. The game cannot be both, but Crema seems to think it is. Franchise's potential got squandered. That's all. Wish things could be different, but I don't agree with the CEO at all. Nobody expects "infinite content" even from a MMO and this just sounds like them making excuses. It's fine. I got my money's worth out of Temtem as a single player experience, but I'm just sad that it isn't living up to what we expected or wanted it to be. It could have rivaled Pokemon since it captured everyone's attention when everyone was mad at Pokemon for Dexit amongst other controversies during Temtem's initial outing Early Access and they picked the perfect time to make an entrance. Now most of us have moved on to greener pastures. Good luck to Crema, I guess, they'll need it.

[@Zanji1234]

if they don't want to create "more content on a regular basis" then the shouldn't have made a MMO where people EXPECT that O_o looks more like that the devs wanted THE NEXT BIG THING and thanks to kickstarters and FOMO the money came in and wanted a piece of the live service game pie but now they realise that keeping up servers is costly and adding microtansactions is not easy and adding new stuff is also costly

[@AIChameleonMusic]

Ty Gym Leader Ed, You did all you could to help them in so many videos. These devs are just BAD. This is one of many examples why. "Infinite Content" my ass, All i wanted was a single player version that i can shiny hunt in and a more reasonable in game economy in said single player version. Palworld has a cool setting to adjust gameplay to my needs and its still in early access and they did that thoughtfully so, long before the early access dropped!

[@caiusdrakegaming8087]

Hopefully if and when the servers do shut down, someone can make that singleplayer version most of us were kind of expecting to be done by now.

[@damonwhalen4684]

the fans have always asked for new temtems and new areas but crema has always refused

[@danovenchjean5716]

9:15 - 9:30 😅 my exact situation lol. I thought It had offline capabilites. I haven't touched again since I purchased it when it first released lol. Not sure why I didn't just request a steam refund

[@fictitiousnightmares]

Umm, if it's an MMO then it is a live service, which means continued regular updates for as long as the MMO is live. I don't know a lot about Tem Tem as I don't own it, but I know it always goes so well when the company/CEO blames the players/customers for their issues. LOL I had assumed Tem Tem had a monthly subscription price. As for the CEO's attitude, now I won't be buying their games anyway.

[@VTsimpingSan]

CEO is an absolute cry baby. Holy shit.

[@FaolanHart]

I honestly regret backing this game on Kickstarter. The game is so soulless, I never got past the first island. I was just so bored by it. The team behind it are just petty assholes that just ban anyone who give them anything but blind praise. So many stories of them doing this. Even to a game dev that offered to help them improve it for free. Also Crema is making a Vampire Survivors game now. They operate like any mobile or AAA game company, just following trends for easy money. They're not a studio worth our time.

[@gioqaliashvili6874]

Most of the players,including myself,would buy dlc if it would be in adequate price range(10-20$) P.S they didn't say why people complain about microtransaction.The real reason is that they added microtransaction to the game that feels like singleplayer,isn't that cheap + doesn't add any new content,only cosmetics balance changes and events.

[@gabeskai]

I don't play TEMTEM (immediately wrote it off once I found out it was online only... without any real reason for it to be that way) I feel like its the CEO/devs own fault for how toxic the fanbase is getting. Just like with Pokemon, they keep mistreating them. From the outside looking in , it sounds like the conversation has gone as follows... Players: give us offline! Dev: we can't change the foundations!! Its an MMO! Players: Sure whatever.🙄 then give us more content! Dev: You can't expect us to add infinite content! Its not THAT kind of MMO! Players: Then charge for it! Dev: but we tried micro transactions and you didn't like- Players: They weren't MICRO and you have a BATTLE PASS on top of it! Just give us DLC! If you're going to charge, then make it a paid DLC. Dev: But the pvp balance! Players: WHO CARES ABOUT BALANCE IF NO ONE IS PLAYING ANYMORE??? JUST ADMIT YOU DON'T WANT TO WORK ANYMORE!!!

[@pedrosilvafranco9463]

I really enjoy the idea of paid dlc and expansions with new stuff

[@asktherisk1636]

Tweaking temtem stats is NOT an update. I really liked temtem and it sucks that this is souring this way. They way they treat temtem is gonna be the same way they treat survivor, so I'm not gonna bother even though i did have some interest.

[@benperdue5491]

I loved this game when it came out, put in 44 hours not even beating the story just enjoying the environment and breeding Tems, but then my PS+ subscription ran out and now I can’t play the game without paying PlayStation. I would come back to this game in a heartbeat if I could play it offline.

[@carterlazarus813]

I haven't tried harder to like a game than Temtem, only to ultimately hate it. The grind is abysmal. I want an offline mode so much, even if just to CHEAT to reduce grind, cause that's where I'm at with this game. Hell, they should consider private servers. They can be paid to give Crema a constant income stream and can have a bunch of admin commands for the host to customize the game as much as they like, such as making it less grindy or giving Tems moves they used to get that were removed for pvp balance purposes which ultimately makes many Temtem crippled in the actual pve story playthrough cause very little gets the moves best for that setting until super late levels if not being forced to breed for some moves too

[@Javetts]

Creature Collecting gamers have too high of expectations? The same group that has given Gamefreak the pass 4+ times?

[@AmalgamaniacGaming]

Honestly, all this just makes the TemTem dev/s seem like lazy, whiny crybabies and I 100% agree with your input on the topic Who is tying their hands and FORCING them to continue working on it?? If TemTem is a "complete game", then STOP working on it; Bug Fixes ONLY Allow it to continue being played offline Also, who told them DLC HAD to be free? If the content is good enough and worth the price tag they put on it, I'd 100% buy it Pokemon: Sword & Shield did it, Pokemon: Scarlet & Violet did it But, again, NO ONE is FORCING them to continue working on this game, though that's EXACTLY what it sounds like "We're fixing this for you" If it NEEDS fixing, YOU should WANT to fix it But, yea... the main problem is, like you said, they're still "on the fence" on things they should have ALREADY had a solid stance on at this point And then they become HOSTILE when it's pointed out that they haven't taken a stance And play the VICTIM because of it

[@alterworlds1629]

I didn't consider TemTem to be big enough to even warrant a sequel, so idk why this is even much of a discussion. Just a one-off that should have died after that. If it was captivating enough to warrant a sequel, their servers for the separate version that was similar to Pokemon Showdown would have stayed up. It just isn't popular.

[@monkeygnomeisquiet]

Given how much trouble they have every time the game is updated I'm under the assumption that however they've made the game internally, however it is coded, is a giant spaghetti mess from the ground up. Perhaps part of the vehement "no new content" attitude is because its less difficult and time consuming to produce something entirely new than it is to navigate the internal chaos for even incredibly small changes. Its a theory.

[@snintendog]

Just release the source code. Done with this bullshit. Temtem's only option to survive is to go completely transparent and have Modders go ham to save it. But now i doubt even if they did anyone would want to between the ban waves and the cash shop bullshit NO ONE like the game anymore.

[@old.angelless]

I am always interested in how Temtem is doing. From my pov (I grinded for 1000 hours), the goals and ideas/reality of Devs long did not align with the voice of the Community. They always had their own views on how Temtem should be, probably because they started it with the wrong idea (though I don't blame them). Making an MMO is hard. Yet, back then we all dreamed of a Pokémon MMO. There was a promise of a dream, but I suspect the Devs had to meet the reality. So the promise was never fully fulfilled, but the marketing stayed the same, the economy stayed the same. It feels like the Devs both wanted to make an MMO and did not want to make an MMO. Trying to get two birds with one stone: no crazy bullshit that came with attempts to make a fully-fledged MMO, but also all the marketing success from branding your game like one. So they faced backlash (for years). So now the CEO is blaming the players. I don't understand how a company can have balls to say that it's a player's fault if they (Crema) still have to support the game. I don't feel like they love this game. For them this has been only trouble for a long time, I guess.

[@Wowlissel]

Okay I will say it (huge rant inc), the Crema marketing department is absolutely clueless. This is going to sound rude, but they are giving themselves WAY TOO MUCH credit. Temtem's original success was completely carried by a combination of 2 things, "The Pokemon game we always wanted" and content creators giving light to this project. If Temtem actually did good, modern marketing for their game through content creators, it would see WAY MORE success. Look at Palworld made by a small studio, or even Backpack Battles that was made by 2 people for example. Crazy how they didn't realize this seeing how they got their original success. Crema consistently gets on bad terms with their community for completely unnecessary reasons. For example I have never seen a company complain about "toxic fans" as much as the Crema devs do. I'm not saying any developer deserves toxic fans, what I'm saying is that, just as with content creation, it's currently a sad and unfortunate part of the job. But going after your fanbase for it leaves everyone with a bad taste in their mouths. Imagine if instead of telling their playerbase "Hey we are not adding more Tems" which I can only imagine is because of financial reasons, they just opened a kickstarter for "Temtem DLC" or whatever. Might not get funded, but at least then they tried. Sure they might not want to continue developing Temtem as part of their main game, but then let us know that. Crema also often make easy-to-fix problems way more complicated than they are, add a fix for that complication, which fails, and then go for the easy solution which works. Kinu protector is a perfect example of this. So much time wasted to try and make sure they keep the exact version of the Tem in their head alive, when the eventual fix they ended up going with was literally suggested to them hundreds of times dating back to the first EA patch (Tucma days). The issue with this is ofc putting resources where they are not needed, slowing down their overall progress of the game. Whenever possible Crema always makes the wrong decision and then they always blame their players for their poor decisions not panning out. And they have always done this. In EA they would always use "it's EA blablabla" as their excuse, and now when they can't anymore it's instead the playerbase's fault/the playerbase being unreasonable. It's sad to see a game with so much potential be handled so so poorly and with so little care. Also as a side note, if they listened to their critics instead of hiding behind their white knights they would have learnt so much more from Temtem and would have made not just Temtem a much better game, but their future games as well.

[@snintendog]

Rember to go on to steam and report the Mod of the steam board SOL. Dude is a total fucking wanker. Bug report=Ban. Softlock= BAN. Oflline mode=BAN+ IP BAN.

[@seedsmyth]

I have heard of Temtem, never played, have no friends that play, have great respect for anyone who makes a creature collector game. Felt sort of odd hearing all this stuff about the game but I really want that thank you for putting this all into perspective.

[@telkaivokalma]

I would have paid for more. Would have. Screw these guys. Not just these recent comments, but YaW's comments over a year ago killed the game. The burned all bridges. They promised an MMO and delivered a mediocre always online single player game.

[@leonhart7306]

Yeah, paid DLC is what I would like for this game. A new island, new tems, and new ways to co-op. I've found co-op lairs fun, and if they could build on that system, more legendaries, loot, greater complexity, I think that could be a lot of fun. Maybe an extremely endgame challenge with randomized opponents that we can use our own tems for. It'd give us something to build towards.

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

What's crazy is that I would buy his game if he just made it playable offline. I don't want infinite content I just want an assurance that whatever content is there won't be randomly deleted one day because this loser spent all his money making roguelikes nobody asked for and can't keep the servers on for the game people actually want to play.

[@michelwaylander5005]

agree, i returned twice over the time, only to see, that the devs focused mostly on pvp and didnt really introduce any of the changes requested (like skippable battle animation). I was really hyped and love the game - but pvp is just not my thing to focus on.

[@snintendog]

NERF NERF NERF NERF Bug nah lets keep that NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF peaple are grinding lumas to much? CRASH THE ECONOMY NERF NERF NERF NERF.

[@CarterDeeJay]

Options to go between offline/online and then paid dlc sounds pretty reasonable to me and like it'd fix all the issues. And dropping the game, then working on a second game, also sounds pretty reasonable. Sounds pretty lax for the devs, too. All reasonable suggestions, hopefully the devs hear these and take them to heart

[@Naterdoo1]

For someone out of the loop, this has been a very informative perspective. Thank you.

[@fezudu]

Temtem have some great designs, and a nice world, but at this day and age when we got a lot more creature collector/monster taming games it's time do adapt and improve their own game and more important, listen to the fans. Being honest i'm really excited for temtem swarm cause i enjoy vampire survivor like games and and having a moster evolving and online coop looks like a great way to play with friends. There's still time to improve the original game and have a cool spin off to go along.

[@balhera9403]

I think the CREMA team have misunderstood the community and are maybe stuck on the idea of the current trend, which is Online games with a battle pass and microtransactions. Tem Tem swarm is fine as well. A lot of people do think Tem Tem is a great game. But as a player i am wary about what would happen when the servers shutdown. I Truly hope they do consider an Offline mode. If CREMA cant update the game like an MMO, don't treat it as such and just make it offline with the option of going online. I wouldn't mind paying for a DLC, if CREMA drops a new island DLC with new Tems and the content is good enough, i would even pay 20 bucks for it. 20 bucks for every extra island even. They can even keep the battle pass and microtransaction in for cosmetics and events. As a stand alone game Tem Tem is well made and well thought out. And i hope the community and the dev team can come to a mutual understanding. Seeing Tem Tem go down like this is such a waste.

[@tiagocosmos]

I would have loved an offline, single player tem tem. I play games to avoid interaction with human beings, not engage in it, so MMORPGs are definetely not my thing. A shame bc the monster designs are cool.

[@elvickRULES]

I’ll also address the idea of bringing players back via content. I played 40h when it came out. Up to when they added the saipark? Or whatever it’s called and nerfed the Luna appearance rates and I hated that change as I was actively Luna hunting when they did it (gone one at least). If you have to nerf the main game to make new content look better then you suck at designing a game 🤷‍♂️ But I figured I’d wait for the game to finish. But as it got updated I never get interested. Each time I looked into the game again I saw comments showing my biggest issues with the game were still there. First the economy being trash. But more recently being made aware of the battle pass things. Really? Why would I want to return for that? Over time my opinion on Temtem has soured because of the way they handled it and the things they’ve added. If they put an offline into it then I’d at least go experience what’s there now. But I don’t see a point when further investment just means more time into a game with a shelf life.

[@Langharig_Tuig]

Ive said it before. Crema is just selfsabotaging themselves and whatever reasons they have for doing so I dont care about... But they should just sell their IP to another developer/publisher because there is a demand for expansions, profit to be made and all that... But Crema just doesn't want Temtem to succeed.

[@ZombieDanman]

If they didn't want people to expect it, they shouldn't have tried to make an mmo.

[@Ravenoon]

I stopped playing because of the excesive grinding, but wouldn't mind to return if they did an offline mode with less grinding. Heck, I'd even buy paid DLC, I enjoyed Temtem until it was too much grinding in order to progress.

[@CloverJade]

Players are actually asking for QoL improvements for the already existing features in this game, not updates. I won't expect much from Crema at this point. If you want something fixed they claim that there is no problem, you as the player has to bring up prove that there is something wrong. Saipark wasn't rotating properly, not every Temtem appeared for nearly 2 years for either SV and Luma week. A lot of players have pointed this out for weeks, no reaction, the community manager saw no reason to bring this up to the team. Then a Bug report was made and two people (myself included) brought the Wiki up which has documented each week, I even took my own time to list which ones were missing, and only then they listened rather than checking for themselves. I know they are working, but these things makes you question when they state they have statistics or when they claim that they can't find a problem or the trait or move worked properly during testing, etc.. With over 2000h I shouldn't complaining, the game was worth my time. Looking back I had a lot of fun, actually EA was the best time for this game and the community imo. It's just sad what direction it takes and how people are leaving with a bitter taste. The negative reviews that are constantly getting deleted on Steam don't come from nothing. However like you mentioned I do hope people won't go there and put a negative review on Swarms because they had a problem with Temtem itself. Edit: Also calling the community out for demanding more updates for Temtem 1... They always say that there are no plans for Temtem 2, that they don't know if there will ever be a sequel. So what else shall the player-base ask? Stop supporting your game and do a game you maybe don't want to develop? We just don't know about their plans.

[@SirPreyas]

If the CEO didn't want people expecting "infinite content" then they shouldn't have made Temtem a MMO. IMO, Temtem should've just been a single player game w/ an online multiplayer.

[@razzvyberry4694]

He can go suck it. You don't release an "mmo" and then not support it with meaningful content. They should just admit that it was beyond their capacity to sustain an mmo. I really enjoyed temtem as a single player game and in my opinion only suffers from the mmo part just making it worse by way of making things accessible. You can't even properly customise until you finished the game. Why is that? Who sat down and said "you can't customise yourself until after you finish the game and have to then do menial boring shit to get currency for it". I'm very much looking forward to the game closing just so we can have an offline version of the game, to finally be able to mod it. I want at some point play temtem again as the singleplayer experience it trully is.

[@yobywon]

I remember last year posting a criticism on their face page for the lack of new content like they promised during kickstarter phase with new islands and temtem i got insulted amongst other people. Truly weirdest PR reminds me of Amy's baking company.

[@dillonfisher7615]

I've been interested in TemTem for a while now. But just haven't gotten around to it. But over the last few days, I don't think I'm gonna bother ever picking it up. The Devs give off super bad vibes. I haven't seen a single post by them that wasn't targeting or complaining about its fans/player base and deflecting blame for a lack of content.

[@suicune2001]

From what I understand, TemTem did everything they promised in their kickstarter so they should be applauded for that. However, I do feel like TemTem (and Palia) would have benefitted from being a single-player game from the start. Advertising it as an MMO is probably what got them so many sales to start with but now they have to pay to maintain servers and security forever or lose their game. And that's why MMO developers try to have some kind of infinite grind content. They need to pay for servers so keeping you in the game means you'll give them money. I don't mind buying DLC. It did sound like they were trying to have a viable monetary model without being pay-to-win or DLC since so many people claim they hate buying DLC. But I think that's mostly for Day 1 DLC and stuff that should have been a core feature of the game at launch. Other than that, I think most people are fine with DLC as long as it's worth it.

[@exocitus8731]

That's the funny thing: They still didn't do everything promised in their kickstarter, the 1.0 release was launched with probably half of the promised kickstarter features, the arcade that is to be released next patch is still a kickstarter feature, the game just doesn't have the "early access" tag right now but is pretty much still early access, they removed it and launched the 1.0 just so that they can say exactly what the CEO tried to say on their statement: "We are releasing new features", when in reality they are just releasing the features promised on Kickstarter with a few QOL, that is it. Also they have 3 monetization on the game: Buying it (with a deluxe edition which makes the game up to $60), paid battle pass and a paid cosmetic shop, the director of the game himself said that the servers costs are minimum and that they can support it for years, they also said that the game is sustainable even without the paid cosmetics, so where is this money going to? This is another points that the community has been asking for close to two years without a answer.

[@gusty7153]

i wouldnt have minded paying for dlc. infact i like to mention ESO as having the best model so far as it's an mmo you pay for the base game once, play indefinitely, and every so often buy the regularly released dlc expansions

[@suicune2001]

@@exocitus8731 Ah ok. I don't know if they have a studio to pay for but they're still working on the game so whatever is left over from paying for severs and other monthly expenses, I would imagine the rest is going to the devs to keep making content. They still need to eat, after all. lol

[@exocitus8731]

@@suicune2001 Servers are not a problem, the game director already said that the costs are so low that they would not have to worry for years. And yes, they have monthly expenses and probably a studio, they have to eat, but the game at the launch (1.0) already sold 1 million copies, this should be enough money to sustain the studio if they had choose the right route and developed the game further, also I doubt they are having financial problems with the game right now if they have money to spare to develop a new entire game. Like I said, the DLC route without the mtx would be the easiest and safest route, which when suggested by players devs were condescending or straight up rude and said that people didn't know what they were talking about and should trust Crema instead, now that's were we are.

[@suicune2001]

@@exocitus8731 If they're making a new game then I hope they've learned their lesson and make a stand-alone game. I'd likely buy it. Yeah, DLC could have been the better route. I feel like they had the best of intentions but got all mixed up somewhere.

[@incineroar9933]

What a jerky thing to say. Shame, I was hoping to get the switch version, but not if this is how the devs of this incomplete game act.

[@organiclaugh]

Crema should have just sold TemTem as a single player experience then!!! It's wild to sell a game on the basis as an MMO and then be upset with customers demanding MMO like support. Their business plan is a trash fire.

[@LukePasqualeCalarco]

serious question, was tem tem being an MMO a selling point for anyone? the brief time i played it, i played it basically as a single player game and the online elements only ever got in the way of trying to play the game. i would have much rather played a single player version of the game, is that true for most people?

[@kenw.1520]

Methinks Temtem CEO is shooting himself in the foot. I get what he's trying to say, but I think they weren't prepared to run a MMO for the long term. Now that they realize that they can't up, they're trying to rewrite history by either "redefining" what a MMO is, or saying that Temtem is not a MMO. Either way, they made mistakes and they're burning bridges. And I don't think Temtem (has a franchise) has the staying power to weather the storm. That and I don't see Temtem Swarm bringing in a ton of new players. So... yeah, good luck. They're going to need it. Lol.

[@mpo48]

thats what ceos do. he was probably mindbroken by palworld and is now crying because his game is not a success and other monster games are doing better. seriously they need to put in the work if they want to make their game popular. and they are not doing it

[@PatchyConvert]

The pure online bit is my issue. I hate to buy games that i can't play offline. Been burned before on Moonrise. Never again.

[@rx-0unicorngundam296]

just goes to show the CEO has no brain and cant comprehend how the game industry works an example the sims well sims 4 as an example multiple DLC expansions that bring more to the game or payday 2 with so much to do so the CEO claiming they cant do infinite content just shows a lack of knowledge about the video game industry

[@Eldritchsquish]

i really hope they still plan to make temtem playable offline after the servers shut down like they said they would

[@ThatMecha]

They killed their game then blame the fans CLASSIC

[@Tom2savoi]

When you make a game so inspired by Pokemon, of course you should be expecting people to want new zones and monsters like Pokemon does, even more so when you make that game an MMO. To me it seems they have been clear about that intention pretty early on but that doesn't mean people won't expect it. The new game looks kinda cool but I'm not sure I like the idea of building it off of the Temtem, I would have prefered to see them try to build a new more interesting world.

[@rx-0unicorngundam296]

no offence but Crema should just stop making games because they clearly don't understand anything about how game genres and mechanics work

[@Drstrange3000]

I think that is a bit unfair to say from the CEO. I think constant updates is a TON of work, even for the biggest of studios with the resources to handle it. I will say this for Temtem and other small studios: Be realistic with the scope and kinds of games you want to make in relation to the resources your team has. It isn't on the consumer that you decided to make an MMO when you don't have the resources to keep up with it. I think it would be better to make a solid base game and slowly add content instead of making a grindy MMO with shallow gameplay. This is the issue I have with live service games and early access. It is such an unstable dev cycle with an air of uncertainty and leading players through roadmaps that aren't guaranteed.

[@blackmark2899]

Dude they made an MMO. Part of the loop is to have endless content to keep players. That's what MMOs do. That's why MMOs make expansions, have side games, mini games, holiday events, special gear, etc. MMOs live because they have a near endless stream of "things to do" in them. If you weren't ready for that kind of commitment, you should've never made an MMO. Heck you should've never marketed it as an MMO.

[@ziljin]

Guess im taking temtem off my wishlist

[@Poweruser75]

I'm going to catch a lot of heat for my one-sided understanding in this topic and I appreciate everyone's feedback 🤜💥🤛

[@viruschris3160]

This makes me regret buying this game during Early Access. I stopped after a few hours and planned to go back but never did. A shame. I’ve heard people wanted a Pokémon MMO in the past and I thought it was a bad idea. Here we have TemTem showing it with Devs that don’t understand the MMO tag is a good reason why. It could be possible, but a Monster Tamer game to catch and raise Monsters is best as a Single Player game with Co-Op and Multiplayer modes on top of it. As much as I’m not happy with Scarlet and Violet, it did it pretty great with its Multiplayer features and playing with others like the BB Quests. Still I wish I could refund. These Devs really bite off more than they could chew.

[@greggreg2458]

Same