Tensions are rising in King Henry's court - BBC

[@mikeainsworth4504]

I’m watching this in Lincolnshire - ‘One of the most brute and beastly shires in all the Realm.’😂

[@pipandkitty2004]

I’m from Lincolnshire and that is so true 😂

[@mikeainsworth4504]

@ a new strap line for Lincolnshire Tourism?

[@michaelmurray258]

He's simply referring to Nettleham F.C.

[@Lorrdd]

So, nothing's changed?

[@Lorrdd]

@@sangkancilguru7000 are you stupid? The Confederacy was a treasonous govt that attacked the Union first.

[@A_Red_December]

I for one wish to hear the policies of Colin Clump, Peter Pisspiddle, Old Grandpa Gaphead and - most important - his goat.

[@lilymarinovic1644]

The goat could probably do a better job of ruling England sensibly and peaceably than Henry.

[@LoneWulf278]

I chuckled. 😂😂

[@StephenMerchant-up8sg]

Labour government front bench

[@pyroboss3099]

​@@lilymarinovic1644Henry had barely any issues during his rule lol say what you want about him but all he did was put down some rebellion and 1 war...

[@margo3367]

😅❤

[@MyCovertNarcissism]

Incredible acting all round. Absolutely outstanding cast.

[@louthegiantcookie]

It's crazy how Henry both defends Cromwell, and is clearly resentful of him at the same time. Just like how he executed the man and then blamed everyone else for it instead of himself.

[@MichaelDG2023]

We have a president elect like that 🇺🇸 🍊 👑

[@monsieurdelaperouse9756]

It is a known pattern between sovereigns and their main ministers: in France, Louis XIII publicly acknowledged his Prime Minister, the Cardinal of Richelieu, as "the best minister France ever had" but would sometimes humiliate him in public because he resented Richelieu's intellectual superiority over him.

[@coling3957]

@@MichaelDG2023 you presently have a president who has been an avatar since 2020. Obama and unseen forces have controlled USA... the cabinet are full of wholly inexperienced people who messed everything up. almost all of President Trump's picks so far have been well qualified and experienced ppl who simply annoy the far-left for their views. whoever Trump picks will be criticised. guarantee all KNOW "what is a woman?"

[@coling3957]

Henry was a good judge of character when it came to his ministers - he chose able men like Cromwell because they were no threat to him as King. raising up the high lords like Norfolk might make them contenders for the throne. Henry well knew there were several better claimants than he - the White Rose remnants etc .. Cromwell was a nobody raised up and given high offices - much to other's resentment. even shortly before his fall, Cromwell was given titles and lands such as Earl of Essex which infuriated the aristocrats.

[@shutup2751]

@@MichaelDG2023 can you people please stop bringing Trump into everything? so so weird

[@azarisLP]

"This meeting could have been a letter."

[@Bariom_dome]

lol

[@freespeechenjoyer]

"You could have sent a pigeon"

[@heliotropezzz333]

Letters are potentially incriminating evidence. Things can be said in meetings that can't be put in letters (assuming no one's taking minutes). Anyway they all lived near each other at court

[@mightisright]

The costumes on this shows are fantastic.

[@lindaa460]

The acting and the writing are so good.

[@sevenoctobers7471]

They're jealous that Henry spoke so highly of Cromwell. Meanwhile Cromwell is shaking in his boots, wondering what next when the tides turn, as they always do with this prince. Cromwell taught Henry to raise someone up, right before they're humbled. Remember Anne? She got what she wanted, to be acknowledged by the French diplomat, right before she was dragged to the tower, adultery incest and treason leveled against her. Cromwell knows he might not keep his head. He must time it well though, so that his family and friends survive his downfall.

[@thesmithersy]

He may know that he might be the King's favourite but he knows has the council plotting against him so no doubt he was aware his days would be numbered, especially when the King had previously pushed back against some of his plans for the monasteries.

[@mikejones-tf6zo]

cromwell thinking that he might get axed at any moment lol

[@rajaishthrone]

Damian Lewis completely embodies the majesty of kingship. Watching him feels like you're watching a king. He just steals every scene he is in.

[@lilymarinovic1644]

Majesty? Chucking a tantrum because he can't go and fight in person like a sullky schoolboy? 😅

[@Belisaur]

in the sense he is a capricious swaddled baby, sure.

[@leoosiku]

Except those with Rylance.

[@clarkindee]

Really? All I can think of is how close what ever illness is seeping through his body has gotten to his brain. A deeply unhealthy person, from his body to his mind. Yes, and Lewis does a masterful job at portraying this decrepitude.

[@Gekkko]

General Winters!

[@sedekiman824]

Exquisite performance from Mark Rylance.

[@cupcake5180]

Always! Every actor in this series is in top form! Brilliant, all of it BRILLIANT!!!

[@farleyhouston9057]

Colin Clump and Peter Pisspiddle 😂😂

[@JanWilson-s4b]

That made me 😂as well😂

[@TomFarrell-js8sl]

Don't forget Old Grandpa Gaphead and his goat.

[@edvingrabar5229]

RIP Bernard Hill, you are missed as Duke of Norfolk

[@renshiwu305]

Yes, I'm not liking Timothy Spall as the replacement. Spall looks to be quite unhealthy - emaciated, hoarse.

[@samanthab1923]

He is, but I love Peter Pettigrew 😊

[@renshiwu305]

@@samanthab1923 He was great in that. And Kenneth Branagh's _Hamlet._ And the _Blandings_ series. And the Mike Leigh films. But he's not great here, and I'll chalk it off to his health.

[@FenrisTheMannis]

@@renshiwu305 He's doing a fantastic acting job tho

[@carlhughes9584]

​@@renshiwu305I dont like the silly grumpy face he pulls

[@kaeso101]

I always find historical dramas intriguing to watch..its a nice way of visualizing history

[@KarlyB-kv4lh]

Masterful acting. Did anyone notice how Charles Brandon glares at Cromwell? He can barely take his eyes off him. He resents and hates Cromwell that much.

[@JasonFanny]

Which is strange because of what happens later.

[@Matthistory07]

Another stunning piece of television. The BBC at its best!

[@thehum1000]

Nah its far from truth and too diverse., garbage

[@malcolmabram2957]

The BBC licence fee should be abolished. Much of it is trash and I very rarely watch it. However this series harks back to the good old days. Excellent production..

[@mollykeane2571]

It’s shite admit it.

[@fsxpilot02]

@@ink9812 this was made in 2024...

[@ishmael2586]

Apart from the unnecessary racial nonsense

[@bluehistory3081]

I love Damien Lewis as the King. In his defence ( Henry’s) he didn’t want a reigniting of the wars of the roses, his father took the throne in battle, his grandparents were very astute people: Edward IV, Elizabeth Woodville, Margaret Beaufort. He was under pressure and the burden of that pressure fell on his advisers and his wives

[@renshiwu305]

That's the excuse Henry and his apologists make. Katherine of Aragon's mother ruled the Kingdom of Castile. King of France Francis I's mother and sister ruled the country in his stead while he was the hostage of the Holy Roman Emperor. That emperor's aunt ruled the Low Countries for him and, previously, for his grandfather (the preceding Holy Roman Emperor). Henry VIII made his wife Katherine the regent while he was fighting on the continent. Katherine's victory against the Scots, at Flodden, far outshone anything that Henry achieved in war. Despite these examples of women rulers (and his own formidable grandmother's), Henry wanted a male heir because one daughter from nearly a quarter of a century marriage somehow, in his mind (and perhaps even by some of today's attitudes), challenged his virility. When the Imperial ambassador, representing the Holy Roman Emperor (who was Katherine of Aragon's nephew), suggested that perhaps Mary was God's choice to be the next monarch because no new children would be forthcoming for Henry, it caused the king to blurt out, "Am I not a man, like other men? Am I not? Am I not?" Henry's psychology was on display at that moment. He needed a male heir to prove that he was a real man.

[@fenrir4446]

​@@renshiwu305mate one situation is not similarly to a another especially when the memory of a brutal civil war of succession is still fresh and any excuses can be made of a blood claim to push themselves especially with no clear heir(son)

[@richardarcher7177]

@@renshiwu305 You forget the last time a King Henry (the 1st) tried to pass the succession on to a daughter. A rival male claimant (Stephen) emerged and England was plunged into a twenty-year civil war. Despite the best efforts of the early Tudors the Plantagenets were not entirely gone (the Earls of Devon and the Hastings family come to mind) and with the Wars of the Roses in living memory the lack of a male heir took on vastly different meaning than it does today.

[@vbLoewenzahn]

As far as anyone can be, I think Timothy Spall is a great replacement for late Bernard Hill. Perhaps a bit less of that Theoden energy, but much closer to the books' description and, from what I can tell, the way the real man looked.

[@Mother_Gaius_Helen_Mohiam]

I did like Bernard Hill’s “Me! Me! Me!” moment when they thought henry died

[@samanthab1923]

Who is his wife & why did he treat her so badly?

[@Mother_Gaius_Helen_Mohiam]

@@samanthab1923 She is only mentioned in passing in the books. The fact that he beats her is just character building for Norfolk

[@samanthab1923]

@ Thanks

[@CLASSICALFAN100]

@@Mother_Gaius_Helen_Mohiam You mean lack-of-character building...

[@TarpeianRock]

What a relief, not one of these characters is blameless, not one hasn’t got blood on his hands, they make me think of a pack of hyenas, out for blood, any blood.

[@mikejones-tf6zo]

thats life

[@dakotamyrick]

My ancestor was apparently captain of the guard at his coronation, and his father fought at Bosworth Field.

[@mikejones-tf6zo]

yeash my next door neighbours black cat was an aide de camp for henry viii at the battle of the spurs lol

[@kevvieb7829]

possibly your ancester was Sir Henry Marney of Colchester? One of, if not the most feared man in England.

[@SmartStart24]

I just looked them up, how cool! You are of Welsh stock then, just like the Tudors!

[@dakotamyrick]

@@kevvieb7829 no, his name was Llewelyn ap Heilyn of Bodorgan, Anglesey, Wales.

[@dakotamyrick]

@@SmartStart24 yes! My family from Bodorgan, Anglesey, Wales and hope to visit someday.

[@veers2883]

From Richard Winters to Henry VIII - interesting :).

[@lds22466]

A brilliant trilogy of books made into an excellent mini series. No one does historical mini series as well as the BBC!

[@keithrose6931]

What even having a black man play a white man's part ? Very historically accurate !

[@lilymarinovic1644]

@keithrose6931 Catherine of Aragon brought Moriscos (Moors) from Spain among her retinue. Maybe not sub-Saharan Africans.but certainly not WASP. And being that they remained in England for decades they did intermarry with English courtiers. So don't assume there was no diversity in Britain at the time.

[@keithrose6931]

@@lilymarinovic1644 No lords were black . A miniscule amount of black people lived in England at that time and most were probably seafarers. You don't have prominent historic white people played by black people. Would you put white men in the ranks of the natives in the film Zulu ?

[@VierVierson]

@@keithrose6931 that aside, it's still 1000x more historically accurate than any other Tudor drama ever. Be glad we have it for what it offers as is instead of focusing on a single point to be angry about. You'll enjoy things much more that way.

[@andrewguest6941]

You can feel the hatred rising 😢

[@paulhatcher8450]

Damian Lewis has nailed it

[@mikejones-tf6zo]

henry viii also went on to serve in the second war war

[@paulhatcher8450]

@ smashed that as well

[@leonie563]

I'm watching this series with Billions. Damian is fantastic in both. Both characters are very similar, different era's

[@Crispy_Bee]

Wow, that's a stellar cast! I don't know about this show but it looks fantastic!

[@countanimeavenger6536]

It is very interesting that Cromwell worked to preserve the monarchy while his descendant Oliver Cromwell would work to destroy the monarchy after Charles the I, refused to work with what he believed were lesser people.

[@remycallie]

Oliver Cromwell was related to Thomas Cromwell but he wasn't descended from him.

[@johnpoole3871]

Oliver was a descendant of Thomas Cromwell's sister.

[@bridgetclooney4362]

How mercurial the King is; so dangerous & unpredictable Immature & evil

[@DucksFan4Life]

Lieutenant Winters made a name for himself after the war

[@stevekaczynski3793]

And at a Renaissance Fayre, no less...

[@PatrickTower-ln7oi]

Henry VIII:Names Cromwell his heir apparent Mary,Elizabeth,and Edward:WHY WERE WE BORN THEN COME ON DADDY

[@RampartPh]

I saw the book on sale yesterday. I think i'm going back for it later

[@ricksanchez1079]

Captain Winters got a promotion, I see.

[@shanecagney7451]

Nice work environment!

[@sandramosley2801]

🎯

[@margotwenty6436]

This scene was masterful

[@EuropeanOnion]

This ought to be on BBC First so I can watch it in The Netherlands Would love to see season 1 first

[@dianeunderhill8506]

If you do not mind blatant miscasting of certain characters. Travesty of a good series. Diversity rules nowadays unfortunately!

[@elonwhatever]

@@dianeunderhill8506 I found the bigot!

[@illerac84]

@@dianeunderhill8506 Who?

[@VierVierson]

@@dianeunderhill8506 lol you must be fun at parties.

[@dianeunderhill8506]

@@illerac84 What's with your comment?

[@books4739]

Tensions are rising in starlins court 😂

[@Bobertron199494]

Lincolnshire catching strays here

[@mushdogful]

It's hard for me not seeing Bernard Hill as Norfolk. 😞

[@chasemcnab7610]

Oh, Henry….in trying to re-assert his own authority he just inadvertently reinforced the idea that Cromwell is his puppeteer. To me it sounds like he was being hyperbolic when saying he could declare Crom his heir, but to a council filled with ambitious social climbers that may as well be an official declaration.

[@2serveand2protect]

He also sentenced him to death with that sort of "court". LOVED one thing, though ...the actor that played Henry here. He's sometimes childish, other times TERRIFYING, but ALL THE TIMES - simply and deeply insecure. As an overgrown child, who lashes out at the slightest rumour or provocation.

[@Theturtleowl]

Glad someone calls Norfolk out on his behaviour towards his wife, even if it might not have happened in the 16th century.

[@dolinaj1]

The late actor Bernard Hill stole his every scene as the Duke of Norfolk. It appears Timothy Spall stepped into the role of Thomas Howard.

[@Lorrdd]

Who cares? Wasn't illegal, immoral, or abnormal in those times. I refuse to judge history through the lens of the present, that's a fool's view.

[@Theturtleowl]

@Lorrdd even in his lifetime beating your wife until her teeth fell out was NOT normal. And we only know because people noticed and wrote it down, which indicates that it was obnormal.

[@coling3957]

people did call it out. it was a scandal. Norfolk was well aware of it too.. he was also blamed for his 2 relatives Henry married and later executed. old Norfolk ended up in the Tower eventually and was held for several years before release by Queen Mary.

[@ja.p-v7h]

@@Lorrdd Yet you decide to judge history through the lense of the offender, not the lense of the victim. Also: you wouldn´t use this line of thinking when talking about Nazi Germany or Stalinist Terror, would you? Thinking that we aren´t allowed to judge the past is nothing any historian would agree with. We can´t lear from it otherwise.

[@DL-cs6fz]

Where can I see this “Mirror and the Light” in U.S.

[@ericworst]

Pirate Bay.

[@datgrrl_official]

It never ceases to amaze me that the denizens of the states never fail to live up to their well earned reputation. Why ask the nameless, faceless void on this international streaming platform when you can research it via your web browser? Yes, I know the answer but "give a man a fish and he eats for a day; teach a man to fish..." well, I'm sure you get the idea. If you dinnae understand how the internet works mayhaps there is an adult in your home that can explain it to you.

[@mikejones-tf6zo]

it dont think its for the intellectually challenged

[@glennhubbard5008]

Lincolnshire is brutish!

[@mrdainase]

And that's just the women!

[@StephenMerchant-up8sg]

Blimey Timothy Spall's grown into a 'character face'. Scary

[@IchDienn]

Fun Fact : The New Norfolk i found plays in Brother Cadfael “The Virgin in the Ice” ….i know its him, only a few lines but no doubt its him….

[@Ally.Cat.252]

Why does the camera wobble so much

[@mikejones-tf6zo]

the camera man is drunk

[@heliotropezzz333]

The camera man is scared of Henry.

[@andrewg.carvill4596]

A king who in a fit of rage could say that he can hand over his kingdom to the descendants of any man he chooses, could in another fit of rage do that man to death as Henry did to Cromwell. Very strangely, a century later a great-great grandnephew of Cromwell (Oliver Cromwell) did rule the kingdom for ten years, after doing to death Charles the First, a fifth generation descendant of Henry's aunt.

[@elizabethp.]

I suppose it s the second périod ? Just on BBC for now ?

[@Football__Junkie]

Henry VIII managing his hedge fund

[@rawpotatofella9654]

Dick Winters ancestors being a king?!

[@TBrl8]

Brody is looking well.

[@susanm3285]

I can hardly wait until the full series is available in March 2025 to North American viewers. I'm enjoying these clips so much!

[@Fondrom]

Why don't you just torrent it?

[@datgrrl_official]

It's already available to North American viewers.

[@mikejones-tf6zo]

but will they understand it

[@wednesdayschild3627]

In an alternative universe queen Catherine of Aragon gets rid of Henry. Mary marries Reginal Pole.

[@stallion78]

What’s the name of this show on bbc ?

[@lizadivine3785]

I’ve watched this like 9 times and can’t figure out if Cromwell was good or bad

[@ishmael2586]

Bad. But driven by a desire to climb *and* survive.

[@CLASSICALFAN100]

One could just as easily say "Good, but constrained to do his Majesty's dirty work for him"...

[@ericworst]

The series and the acting is very very kind to the real Cromwell.

[@heliotropezzz333]

That's right. He he's not meant to be a cartoon goodie or baddie but a complex man like many others.

[@Nigelsmom2136]

I liked Bernard Hill better as the Duke of Norfolk.

[@DreamcatcherAcresFarm]

His heir to rule... thats some foreshadowing. Because his descendants did "rule" England.

[@ted73318]

One question: Imagine you are saddler - do you get the King's Armour or not? Henry explicitly asks for it and seems to move away from it later but he never retracts the command. So do you get the armour or not?

[@patrickjeffers7864]

Only ever been to london but umm has Lincolnshire changed in 400yrs😅

[@ParagonRex]

Tensions are rising in King Henry's court..as a blackamoor is discovered having infiltrated the King's court! DEI strikes again

[@Jasmine1991forever]

In Romania we had Vlad Tepes but he was good and loved. Not like this Henry parsonage.

[@mrdainase]

Vlad? He was a lad! Henry is a complex one, he did some good things and some bad. For a lot of the time his subjects could be a bit snippy about him, and gave him the nickname 'old copper nose' for the way he devalued money.

[@louthegiantcookie]

Vlad gave his people order, and defended them from a terrible invasion. For all his faults, he sacrificed and suffered for his religion and his nation. Henry meanwhile made church and state subservient to his grotesque fancies. Two very different men!

[@stevekaczynski3793]

Would you say the Wallachians had a stake in his rule?

[@mikejones-tf6zo]

he was just misunderstood

[@heliotropezzz333]

@@stevekaczynski3793 Lol. I think that joke passed over many heads.

[@joshuawells835]

Sorry, but when I picture a House of Cromwell, its first king is Oliver I.

[@onenote6619]

Cromwell could have pleaded illness at any point in his career - he had a history of (probably) malaria. But he stayed loyal right up until the end. I always wondered why he did not leap earlier. The scene shown is incorrect, though. Henry had a male heir via Jane Seymour (Edward VI, who was, however briefly, king of England).

[@Scyvh]

It's not literal; Henry says it to demonstrate/frustrate his power. Jane Seymour is pregnant in this very episode.

[@onenote6619]

@@Scyvh Yeah, I get that. But he showed no consideration of how badly he would hurt Cromwell's position by doing so. And that only got worse. As I said, Cromwell could have jumped ship easily and lived the rest of his life in comfort. Was it loyalty? Did he have a specific mission? Or was it just that he failed to realise the temperature was steadily increasing?

[@Scyvh]

@@onenote6619 the book's a great read and very nuanced. There are a lot of things happening at the same time: Cromwell's become a bit too comfortable with power and makes some mistakes, and he might even (it's ambivalent) wish for the throne. I don't think he could get away now; he's a moth drawn to the fire. Henry's a fickle ruler who changes favourites all the time (Wolsey, Thomas More, Cromwell), but Damian Lewis portrays him quite shrewdly as well. Maybe Henry's fond of and paranoid of Cromwell at the same time. Cromwell might just be a tool to him that is about to be discarded.

[@c.a.savage5689]

​@@Scyvh Discarded and then regretted. Cromwell's fatal error was to push Anne of Cleves on Henry. Their first meeting was a disaster. And yet the marriage had to take place. The king never forgave him for that...

[@Ol_Bron]

When I saw the Thumbnail, I thought this was Triple H.

[@colincroft2336]

Goat Hilary Mantel. Rip. Wish you got to see the discovery of his book of hours😢

[@wilhelmhesse1348]

King Geoffrey but only prettier and real!

[@edwelndiobel1567]

why almost 10 years between seasons

[@bobafettish660289]

The show is an adaptation of a trilogy of books. The final book was only released in 2020. They started filming 3 years later.

[@edwelndiobel1567]

@@bobafettish660289 Hmmm but its history too innit? Do the books deviate heavily from history?

[@bantabury]

​@@edwelndiobel1567 Well yes. Most historical dramas are 80% stuff that never happened because it's impossible to know who said what to who most of the time outside of what was written down by eye witnesses.

[@Alan-gh8X]

It's series in England not seasons that's Americanism

[@CamJ95]

I miss Bernard Hill as the Duke of Norfolk, not too keen on this new guy.

[@kameronevans9032]

As a descendant of Henry VIII, I can be that aggressive at times.

[@pvtj0cker]

Asking them why they are dressed as nerds wouldn't be wise l presume.

[@TheQueensWish]

trolling history? Get a life

[@michaeltaylor8835]

Lincolnshire one of the most Brutish shires in the kingdom

[@davidweyer79]

Band of Brothers is ruined for me forever

[@avidplanes]

He’s a billionaire in every timeline

[@blbe0501]

Can someone translate for the Americans?

[@Thomas_Aotearoa]

Wasnt Cromwell King Charles' problem?

[@beatlefan247]

Wrong Cromwell

[@Thomas_Aotearoa]

@ sorry didn’t realise there were multiple Cromwell

[@131alexa]

​@@Thomas_Aotearoa Oliver Cromwell was Thomas Cromwell's great-great-great-nephew.

[@BobHughes-z2h]

Not real and just a drama. They speak formally, but it's more like from Victorian era.......they would have had very different accents and also mannerisms then.

[@KRistyrose978]

Fine

[@Lorrdd]

Funny how many idiots in the comments think that's Oliver Williams, aka Oliver Cromwell, when that's Thomas Cromwell, who the Williams family took their alias from but has absolutely NO relation to Oliver Cromwell.

[@Belisaur]

I picked up Wolf Hall without really knowing anything about it and I got to I think like page 25 before I realised it wasnt Oliver Cromwell. I kept thinking "Something really bad must have happened to make him hate the king by the end of it"

[@coling3957]

remember the young man who was Cromwell's ward in the first season and asked to take the Cromwell name? Oliver was descended from him.

[@FiveRiversCity]

@@coling3957 Rafe (or Ralph) Sadler was Cromwell's Ward, and remained Rafe Sadler (played by Thomas Brodie-Sangster). Richard Williams (played by Joss Porter) was the nephew of Thomas Cromwell (the son of his sister). When Richard's father died he took Cromwell as his surname. Oliver Cromwell is descended from Richard, not Rafe.

[@BobHughes-z2h]

Couldn't they have got an actor that looked more like the king......he was morbidly obese at this time, with a huge round flabby face.

[@heliotropezzz333]

They probably did but he was too ill to play the part. Lol.

[@DianeCooperTW]

Is the whole show just them in this particular room talking ?

[@BobSmith-s7j]

No, far from it

[@alexndiritu1793]

Indeed, there are other rooms. They talk in those as well. And at times, they eat. While they talk.

[@Belisaur]

Nothing against this new guy, but of all the questionable casting this time aroumd , WHY didnt they get Bernard Hill back as Norfolk?!

[@Belisaur]

oh :(

[@EdnaMatthews]

I don't think they had much choice in the matter ...

[@fiachramaccana280]

this new guy? Timothy Spall...one of the true greats... Bernard Hill.... has passed on. Keep up with the news please...

[@bluehistory3081]

Bernard Hill passed away, god bless him

[@mikejones-tf6zo]

@@fiachramaccana280 what you mean he passed on the job of being norfolk, please explain, i cant help it

[@tga-hz7jf]

4:31 such an unnecessarily long walk back. ruins the seriousness.

[@justinferrell5369]

Will you guys please release this in the U.S.?????? I'VE BEEN WAITING 10 YEARS

[@KlingonGamerYT]

so much diversity they had to didnt they whats the point

[@absmith6237]

Is more info leaking out about the loss of Diana and Uncle Andrew ?

[@victorkong82]

Such a random, autistic comment.

[@absmith6237]

@@victorkong82 Ouch ! Debauchery and suspicious, predicted royal deaths are definitely not your thing are they ?

[@absmith6237]

@@victorkong82 Hope you get over your affliction Vicky.

[@martinobrien7110]

Damien is a fine actor but he doesn't have the Gravitas of Richard Burton .

[@shanecagney7451]

@martinobrien7110 I think he does a great job. He doesn't overpower the role.

[@patrickjeffers7864]

Who does🤷🏼‍♂️

[@shanecagney7451]

@patrickjeffers7864 well, Burton chewed up a few sets in his time.

[@renshiwu305]

His colouring and rosebud mouth are perfect - just like Henry VIII in real life. The problem is that Damian Lewis doesn't inhabit the stature - either physical or behavioural - of the real king. King Henry VIII makes for a very difficult characterisation. Keith Mitchell's was probably the best all around portrayal of Henry Tudor.

[@shanecagney7451]

He could add 200 lbs I guess, for the role.

[@zoot4358]

The problem with the DEI isn't so much the historical inaccuracy but its just that it all of a sudden lauches you out of the belief of the production as it's obviously ridiculous and then you start just thinking about modern identity politics (which is just depressing)

[@Belisaur]

I didnt come into this thinking its a huge problem, but It really is so distracting and awkward, and maybe its just my imagination but so many of these black men at arms and ladies in waiting in the background, they just honestly look embarrassed.

[@coling3957]

its all meant to make people think it was a thing back then.. they used to accuse tv of putting sub-liminal messages in adverts etc. now they just blatantly put out stuff. many people don't read history books. they watch a movie or tv show... and think that was historical. remember the Tudors tv series? - full of inaccuracies but very popular.

[@Tom-mk7nd]

I don't mind it for minor characters. They were some back servants at the Tudor court. Having Jane Seymour's own sister being mixed race though is just ludicrous. Jane Seymour is blond and pale skinned, while her sister has brown skin and black hair.

[@TotalCowage]

The problem with gormless people is that they can't see past the colour of someone's skin, and don't understand the concept of acting being about character not colour; and then you just start thinking about how these idiots, these self-defeating fools are slowly being used to destroy their own country by voting for things that allow the elite too loot them dry (which is just depressing, as well as harming all the innocent people around them)...

[@pastlife960]

It has nothing to do with any agenda my guys. It’s just that the BBC’s policy is not to turn away actors or extras because of their skin colour. Simple as.

[@alexbowman7582]

Henry’s syphilis has conveniently been airbrushed from history.

[@NCKrypotonite33]

Theres no contemporary record of him ever receiving the treatment for syphilis. Nor any of his Queens

[@justonecornetto80]

Many medical professionals now think he suffered from McLeod syndrome.

[@KRistyrose978]

Cite your sources. There is no historical record.

[@mrdainase]

@@justonecornetto80 What, he wore a Stetson and liked Country AND Western music?

[@stconstable]

So there was an African amongst Henry's counsellors?

[@pastlife960]

No, but do you want casting directors to turn away extras because of their skin colour?

[@DianeCooperTW]

​@@pastlife960 Absolutely

[@stconstable]

@@pastlife960 I'd like things to be as correct and accurate as possible and not false or misleading. Placing an ethnic person where they never were is an obvious lie. There are plenty of roles for ethnic actors that don't require them to appear where they weren't. And lots of scope and funding to create fresh vehicles for them without distorting and changing our past. And why Black and not Chinese, or an individual in a modern wheelchair, or a Down Syndrome woman? They would be equally incorrect and out of place. Your reasoning is ridiculous.

[@KRistyrose978]

Maybe not amongst Henry’s counselors, but Africans did exist in Tudor England. There are nonfiction books you can read on the subject if you are genuinely interested.

[@sebode87]

​@@KRistyrose978Not really though, maybe a few hundred if even that amongst a population of 3 to 4 million! Might as well say that there were Caucasian people in the pre Colombus Americas!

[@robinjohnhill7556]

I watched the first series and was looking forward to the new series until I saw BBC had thrown their woke culture at it! I find it disgusting that again the BBC have found it necessary change our history to satisfy the minorities of this country.

[@pastlife960]

This isn’t history. It’s historical fiction. If you want real history read a book.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Sid James was far better..!! Carry On Henry was far superior to this Luvvie fest !!

[@heliotropezzz333]

But not very realistic

[@JunaidKhan-pq8ji]

Why isn't King Henry a trans black woman and half his privy chamber also the same? Can't believe this show was made by the BBC!

[@Pdmc-vu5gj]

Are you dense? Wolf hall is excellent...and it's not as if right wing media makes anything as good as this.

[@ericworst]

There appears to be no black dwarf lesbians with beards in the show - it's a scandal.

[@JJONNYREPP]

Tensions are rising in King Henry's court - BBC 1633pm 25.11.24 a short fat waster who died of the pox or a far sighted tyrant who made headway into serving the overbearing landlord a writ?

[@lilymarinovic1644]

A little of column A and a little of column B methinks. No one is all good or all evil.

[@JJONNYREPP]

@@lilymarinovic1644 Comments on ‘Tensions are rising in King Henry's court - BBC’ 26.11.24 1039am i aint been watching this. i sadly came to the conclusion that the court of old henry merely took the piss and had away with the coffers, the dames and fathered the offspring...

[@S3Cs4uN8]

@@lilymarinovic1644 And those rare few that do fall squarely into one or the other category are easily marked as such.

[@mrdainase]

By all accounts he was more of a second row brick shithouse until he got too fond of the pies and ale. A Tudor Brexiter in some ways too. And the tyrant bit was probably unavoidable given the people he was surrounded by. I sometimes wonder if the bad decisions he made consumed him as much as his illnesses.

[@mikecopinger7180]

Looking forward to their production of Malcolm X with Colin Farrell as Malcolm - because colour blind casting isn't DEI after all. If he can do Penguin just imagine what a great Malcolm X he'll make. Hopefully Anna Sawai can play his wife Betty, she did such an ace job of Mariko in Shogun. Who needs historical accuracy when you are "colour blind?"

[@bomaniigloo]

This. I was thinking Ethan Hawke as Malcolm X. But Colin Farrell would be good also!

[@mikecopinger7180]

@@bomaniigloo I want to keep Ethan free to play Zulu King Cetshwayo in the remake of Rourkes Drift.

[@renshiwu305]

TBF, Malcolm X was 1/4 white and ginger-haired.

[@mikejones-tf6zo]

they are redoing the whole series of Roots where everyone is reversed role coloured lol

[@harrybalsagne616]

King Henry was a mixed raced, two spirit, gender queer, indigenous refugee. He was also a feminist and a Muslim. How does the BBC not know that by now?

[@pastlife960]

Bot

[@harrybalsagne616]

@ lol everything you don’t like is a bot. Am I Russian bot at that?

[@keithrose6931]

It's what a lot of people think of the bbc.

[@mikejones-tf6zo]

he suffered greatly from anoxeria in his later life

[@doug6500]

This must be an older series, for obvious reasons.

[@whereami2477]

? This came out like 2 weeks ago

[@BobSmith-s7j]

Explain what you think is obvious. The first series was made in about 2015. This second one is brand new and currently in the middle of its first airing.

[@RealRyanG0sling]

Wasn’t king Henry a black trans women?

[@FiveRiversCity]

😂😂😂

[@edubois31]

🤡🤡

[@pastlife960]

Bot

[@RealRyanG0sling]

@@pastlife960 ok trans woman

[@theprincipalofficer_1]

So how many people black washed in this?

[@bine35]

too many ...

[@2jz-boi]

Way to ruin one of the most authentic and well made period dramas ever made with absolutely ridiculous diversity casting choices that nobody wanted, honestly BBC who are you even trying to appease here?

[@tga-hz7jf]

How on earth is this diverse?

[@BobSmith-s7j]

@tga-hz7jf If you watch it, there are a load of black actors randomly inserted as if there were Africans at Henry's court, which of course there weren't. This is a noticeable change between series 1 and 2.

[@NatrollJM]

@BobSmith-s7j WHERE ?

[@bombergun]

Fine acting !!

[@444Deliverance]

im suprised you didnt make him black

[@KRistyrose978]

Are you okay? Maybe a hug would help

[@444Deliverance]

@ we’ve been through a lot. Pay your due and move on

[@BobHughes-z2h]

Looks its ok......its really nothing special. Its just thst tv now is so shite. Im getting sick and tired of People on here saying its a masterpiece as and the acting is out of thos world, bla bla bla bla. The king was morbidly obese at this time with a big round face. Not like this guy thinking he fancies himself...... Cromwell comes across as unconvincing. His character was ruthless and not nice......here he comes across like some calm, mild mannered man. Like a nice teacher in a high school......the guy playing Norfolk is like something out of horrible histories. Almost like a cartoon character with his over acting and pulling faces all the time. Its nothing special. People on here need to get a life!

[@KRistyrose978]

If you would read the books, you would understand that this was supposed to be from Cronwell’s perspective. It is historical fiction drama not a documentary film dramatization

[@BobHughes-z2h]

I know full well, but if they have gone to the trouble to get things looking authentic, and they have a thin Henry ( his face was very fat at this stage ) and black folk as part of the council.......it's ridiculous. As is the notion that Cromwell was really a nice guy ......​@@KRistyrose978

[@jenniferhowells6510]

What is the point of having TV series based on British, English history if you are going to fill it with all these charactors that did not exsist, with all this political correct colour blinded nonsence. Im afraid it spoiled it for me was good otherwise. We know it will be par for the course for all our history programes now. People accept it to readily in my opinion its not a case of does it matter IT DOES its our history our childrens. Im sick of it being altered to suit others.

[@heliotropezzz333]

I hardly noticed. Perhaps you were not too engaged anyway.