This is exactly what you’d expect from a big box put together by those who came up with the components for Terraforming Mars
@RTYB Жыл бұрын
You mean the publisher sucks?
@boardgameknight27913 жыл бұрын
Glad you reviewed this, Tom! Totally took care of my FOMO. ;)
@simonadams3 жыл бұрын
that box was $100 + shipping. Insanity.
@Pantenkind753 жыл бұрын
I got it, im glad I did, but I will never support another stronghold kickstarter again. They had a chance to really make this nice. Even the insert itself, though functional, does not seem custom at all. Add the poor quality control and other issues and you really have an underwhelming product that we paid a very premium price for
@hmuriel3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Add to that all of the delays and the price tag was NOT cheap. I'm glad I have it, it's "good" but I don't love it
@eugenb.84483 жыл бұрын
@@hmuriel It seems like a cynical cash grab. And the attitude on the Kickstarter is so condescending. Like you, never again.
@ntmetroid3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Im getting this in my Ares Expedition KS. Just based how that kickstarter went, I don’t think ill back something from them again.
@rb45513 жыл бұрын
@@eugenb.8448 They act like Apple but have the quality of LG, or worse.
@ScytheNoire3 жыл бұрын
I agree. Completely turned off of Stronghold, especially when right after this they released new artwork for the next Terraforming Mars but didn't bother doing new artwork for the classic game. Completely done with Stronghold.
@brianw38803 жыл бұрын
As someone who doesn't have any etsy stuff, it is a nice upgrade. Definitely could be a lot better but whatever, at least I can store all my TM stuff in one place
@tttopolis3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree! Anachrony had a great gyide to how to organize everything in the huge mega box. No reason for companies not to theow this in!
@wayus63093 жыл бұрын
I was sad I missed the Kickstarter. Then, I was glad.
@wayner7263 Жыл бұрын
I don't do kickstarter but I had to grab it when it showed up at my FLGS
@wayner7263 Жыл бұрын
The instructions for placing the game components did come with the box on mine. Unfortunately, it was attached to the plastic covering for the box. Just letting you know that how you placed your components were different from the official instructions. Basically, on top of the 1st tile tray held both hex map boards and the rulebooks. The top 2 trays are for your 3D tiles. The 3rd tray held your player boards, expansion boards, prelude cards, and the various cubes minus the original big white cubes. The bottom tray held all your expansion components. I don't own all the expansions (just prelude and the map board) so I used the bottom tray to hold all the original hex tiles from the main game. My biggest issue with the big box is that it is very hard to take out the 3rd tray once it's filled with components. I was disappointed that it did not come with the upgraded player boards nor the domes.
@thomasblaine79483 жыл бұрын
Completely agree. I was underwhelmed. For a deluxe upgrade, it was lackluster. And not having an instruction sheet was maddening!
@JeSuisLaChic3 жыл бұрын
Great honest review Tom! Perfect timing after that "Ugly but beautiful inside" video where you all talked about Terraforming Mars and its lackluster game components, and needing to do so many upgrades.
@MikeDV343 жыл бұрын
Why do bad reviews = honest reviews?
@josiahleis65743 жыл бұрын
@@MikeDV34 Because it wasn't a "bad review", it was a balanced one. "Balanced" usually equals "honest", because they are presenting both sides. Tom said he liked it, he was glad he had it, and that it was cool. He also pointed out some negatives and ways it could've or should've been better.
@LeeKenshin73 жыл бұрын
@@josiahleis6574 But balanced ≠ honest. You probably don't meant it but by calling this review out as an "honest" review, it has the implication that some of Tom's review are not honest, whether balanced or not in your opinion.
@dancondonjones3 жыл бұрын
I don’t get that implication at all.
@JeSuisLaChic3 жыл бұрын
@@MikeDV34 I'm sure people can be honest when they're praising something and/or when they are criticizing something. Whether the review was "bad" or "good" is subjective, depends how you define bad/good. I thought it was a great review because he was thorough, and when I say "honest" it's because he didn't hold back when it came to criticizing what didn't work. People tend to hold back in order not to offend and maybe for that reason it can seem that people always associate honest reviews with "bad" reviews, but I think it's totally possible for people to be honest when giving "good" reviews too.
@firststrikewrestling3 жыл бұрын
I love my TM Big Box. It serves its purpose of holding everything together in one place. It sure did replace the flimsy original box that's for sure. The only thing though is that it's not as portable as before; I cannot be bringing that around everywhere.
@jerryf196 Жыл бұрын
it's 150$ for this? I mean I seen folded box for 40$ which can organise your stuff. BUT 150$!!!! LOL i will wrap my cards with elastic bands. put stuff into baggies and buy other games with 150$
@wayner7263 Жыл бұрын
@@jerryf196 It comes with the 3D tiles. It still may or may not justify the $150 cost to you. I believe if you you got in on the kickstarter, the cost was $100. I got mine at retail. I was disappointed that it did not come with the upgraded player boards nor the domes but overall, I am happy with my big box. I got the 3D Etsy printed player boards which turned out beautiful.
@sds8023 жыл бұрын
The kickstarter updates have a new layout update. Lays out all the inserts and where it all goes in the box.
@ninehundred3523 жыл бұрын
ORGANIZATION FIX! Not having an organization guide is annoying and it frustrated me for a few minutes but I just printed off the portion of the original ks page that shows where everything goes. It’s about half way down the page in a section titled “Organization”. I printed out that section and stuck it in the box. I know it’s dumb that they didn’t do it but we can’t fix that side of it. Hope this helps others!
@thomasromanelli25613 жыл бұрын
Overall, the product is competently made and has delivered reasonable value for the content vs. price point. It doesn't really wow (especially compared to other 3rd party, more expensive tiles) but it remains a significant improvement over the base game. The real issues that will make me pause before I ever back a project from Stronghold again: 1] Incomprehensible QC faults from an experienced publisher- promo cards that are different sizes and barely fit the expensive, custom sleeves? Card box insert wrong size? Metal cube packaging (which wasn't their fault entirely)? 2] The poor and unprofessional communication from SHG in the forums. I DO NOT excuse any rude or derogatory comments from backers, but a publisher doesn't have the luxury for talking down to its backers, ever. 3] The "unsolicited refunds" to backers deemed to be "problematic" in their negative commentary- which sets a terrible precedent for KS. Tom Vasel summed it best- I'm glad I ordered it and will have it in my collection, but will be even more glad when fulfillment is all behind me.
@mike_heller3 жыл бұрын
I know he had nothing to do with this big box but I can just hear Tom yelling with his fist in the air, "Buonocooooooooore!"
@liambest82133 жыл бұрын
Agree with Tom here, in that I'm glad I have it, but only because it's better than nothing at all. I definitely don't feel like I got my money's worth since it cost $120 (including the fleet ships and first player marker) and that's not even including shipping (which was not cheap to the UK)
@eliumeldritch3 жыл бұрын
Great review! Honest as usual!
@JohnQSpartan3 жыл бұрын
I must say I received my Big Box the other day, and I'm completely happy with it. I think the box and tiles are beautiful and the insert is well thought out. As mentioned it should have had instructions on how to sort everything into the box, but that's about the only criticism I can levy against them, which isn't much in my books.
@ClockworkWyrm3 жыл бұрын
I never could have backed this because the price is prohibitive but I'm still glad I didn't. It's a nice idea, as the multitudinous amounts of upgrades on Etsy attest, but poor execution. Heck Even Wingspan which had no insert printed a packing guide on the side of the box, it's not that hard. Also, unrelated, you've come a long way over the years Tom and it's great to see you still going strong. Thank you for all you do for the community.
@Monkeyb00y3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I didn't get this one. However, one that I wish did come out would have been a Big Box for Western Legends... They didn't even consider it in their last kickstarter which finished up the series. Hopefully companies will take notes on how to run things better in the future.
@chrisnelson29483 жыл бұрын
The only original parts I have left are the cards, player cubes and rule book. Everything else has been changed. Also, to bad you didn’t get the cubes. Would’ve loved that video.
@danielgoyens1263 жыл бұрын
I got it but I am sad I didn't get the domes for the cities.
@FedouBC3 жыл бұрын
It would be funny if the games that doesn't receive a seal of approval or excellence just get a word at the end, like "Glad" or "Problematic"
@suorastas13 жыл бұрын
I really like TM but I’m quite content only having Prelude and Hellas/Elysium. The game doesn’t need to be any more complicated and it all fits in the original box.
@GGdeTOURS373 жыл бұрын
I'm 100% with you! Exactly! TM + Prelude + Hellas & Elysium > Great and enough!
@sedraniM3 жыл бұрын
Some more extra corporations are always cool, but the extra expansions are meh
@suorastas13 жыл бұрын
@@sedraniM If there was an expansion with just say 15-20 extra corporations I’d definitely include it but everything else just seems more trouble than it’s worth. The game takes 2,5 hours as it is.
@wayner7263 Жыл бұрын
The Colony expansion looks good though. I may end up buying it. The prelude and the map board expansions are the best
@suorastas1 Жыл бұрын
Guess who owns Turmoil, Venus and Colonies now.
@ulisescoronado75483 жыл бұрын
The best dice tower judgement ever 🤣
@mugthemagpie30017 ай бұрын
I didn't find any of the flaws pointed out in this video. This might be caused by the fact that our publisher (and translator), Rebel PL, has extremely high quality control. Cards are the same size, the price of the entire box is merely $70 (and free shipping) and it seems to be made from a bit different and more sturdy materials. The instructions on how to put stuff inside is also included. It could be Rebel's or even any Polish publishers' thing since it is considered a premium quality product at such a price. The Polish (fully translated game too) TI4 box has some different items not available in the English version of the game for example. The Polish release of Tortuga 2199 or even TM's sister, Ares Expedition, already possesses the KS promos too. There are even cases when the Polish version of some board games have way better quality than original ones, such as Star Realms.
@nchlsrdmr3 жыл бұрын
I'm personally delighted with this big box in every way. I think it's really fantastic. Finally I can set the game up quickly, and I think the quality is excellent!
@wayner7263 Жыл бұрын
I thought the components of the big box was sub par. The plastic containers are flimsy and I always worry when I take out the 3rd tray
@nchlsrdmr Жыл бұрын
@@wayner7263 2 years on and I'm still very happy with mine. As long as you're careful, nothing to worry about at all.
@EfrainRiveraJunior3 жыл бұрын
I'll wait for a future Kickstarter.
@DVCBear3 жыл бұрын
Good accurate review. Manual + no instructions was a downer. Box quality, could have been better. Still glad to own.
@Noonycurt3 жыл бұрын
We have all the expansions and new player boards in the original box. It's a tight fit, but it works.
@benkirby3173 жыл бұрын
Do you have sleeved cards? I got everything before turmoil in the box, but can’t fit that anymore :(
@Noonycurt3 жыл бұрын
@@benkirby317 No, they are not sleeved.
@wayner7263 Жыл бұрын
Yes, you can fit all expansions in the main box but to keep things organized, you will need those inserts
@Noonycurt Жыл бұрын
@@wayner7263 We use inserts for some games, but for TM plastic bags are fine.
@TheDarktater3 жыл бұрын
Still waiting on my copy here :( The only thing that will bother me are the mismatched sizes on the cards. That is not ok.
@idea8211 ай бұрын
Me- just glad i didn't have to go searching for other vids on how to put things in. Just following Tom's setup. 😉 I received a damaged box for free for out local games club, would not have bought it otherwise, as you say- the fan made upgrades for this game already seem so much better. But the new cards were great- Also- in the pack I got they were exactly the same size, so you might have got ones that was off on the card-cutter?
@pilotvc3 жыл бұрын
I would be ok with this for a more reasonable price, but those cards being a different size, that is a real bummer. Why? How? Why?
@sedraniM3 жыл бұрын
I didnt check on BGG yet, but are Stronghold Games planning on getting replacement cards for this? Mine dont fit into my sleeves because of that (all other cards do fit)
@pilotvc3 жыл бұрын
@@funnyonlineuploads testing?
@nipzie3 жыл бұрын
@@funnyonlineuploads it's cards. If you can't get a standard size card right, you shouldn't be making games.
@RadishTheFool3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'll stick to the app. Looks better, is way more convenient, and doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Stronghold doesn't seem to love Terraforming Mars nearly as much as us fans do. The most effort has once again gone into cutting as many corners as they could.
@eugenb.84483 жыл бұрын
I too enjoy the app but man is the one we play on Steam poorly coded. Can’t pick player colours. Doesn’t show draft direction. Timers are never right (probably an off by one error). Loses your deck every so often (probably an off by one error) so you have to wait for it to come back around or click on different parts of the game for it to come back. Shows VP wrong all the time (probably an off by one error). Can’t sort cards into an order to play. So much wasted real estate on the screen - your hand could easily be shown along the bottom ala Twilight Struggle. Can’t hover over a hex to find out what the damn thing is. Certain non city tiles the same colour as city tiles. Doesn’t ask you “Are you sure” if you say “Done” before selecting or viewing all your initial cards but does ask are you sure all the time elsewhere where it doesn’t matter. I could go on but to what point. Even putting in bug reports results in silence from the developers. Shoddy coding like this big box, they have your money so they don’t care much.
@marcwillner38183 жыл бұрын
Hopefully this review lit a fire under their butts, they just sent the backers a PDF of how to store everything. Still should have been a printed sheet. Excellent review as usual.
@wayner7263 Жыл бұрын
I would think that majority of backers would have a printer
@alwaysardent11253 жыл бұрын
I still haven't played my Terraforming Mars set since receiving it all, because I just get frustrated to no end about all the cards and organisation.
@LeeKenshin73 жыл бұрын
Prior to the announcement of this KS, I purchased a 3D printer and took a couple of months to print my own set of tiles. The initial investment cost in time and supply was steep so I was upset at myself when Stronghold announced this KS. Now, I'm glad I did what I did especially seeing this product. It was a much better investment.
@wayner7263 Жыл бұрын
How much do you think it cost you to print out all 86 tiles?
@loneXolf3 жыл бұрын
Looks a bit low quality for the price tag.
@razzledazzle153 жыл бұрын
The box itself is nice, but the tiles are kind of cheap and crappy compared to my etsy set. The slightly larger cards are ever so slightly too big to fit in standard sleeves, so i had to buy their proprietary ones. Feels like a rip off.
@sedraniM3 жыл бұрын
Are they not offering replacement cards?
@razzledazzle153 жыл бұрын
@@sedraniM not that im aware of
@sedraniM3 жыл бұрын
@@razzledazzle15 That's annoying, mine doesnt fit my Dragon Shield Sleeves...
@hogari3 жыл бұрын
Otherwise the Big Box is fine for it's purpose, and I quite like it - but the size difference between new cards and the the old is inexcusable, and drove me nuts. Old cards were already a tight fit for the sleeves I use (Paladin Percival), and now I have to use different sleeves for the ~20 new cards? I'm not going to re-sleeve my old cards because of this. Very frustrating.
@tomasxfranco3 жыл бұрын
It looks like the 3d tiles need some shading and highlighting
@jenniferhaar79343 жыл бұрын
I agree with these comments. I got mine and Im happy with it. I had my expectations set at the correct level. Still, it really did feel underwhelming. And i couldnt agree more about the sheet that tells you how to put it together. I realize that there are ways to find out how online, but come on....a sheet would of been nice!
@Darkangelus4293 жыл бұрын
Regarding the odd card size, I sleeve all my TM cards and as long as they still fit the standard size sleeves, shouldnt be too big an issue. I definitely want those colonies overlays though as i just bought that expansion. Only missing Venus and Turmoil. Thanks for the heads up Tom. Keep up the great work, good sir.
@TheBrokenMeeple3 жыл бұрын
NO INSTRUCTION SHEET??? 🤬
@GreggBolinger2 жыл бұрын
Late to the comments here, but what's frustrating about this review is, it is clear Tom didn't participate in the KS. If he had, he would know what everything was for and he'd know that the KS page had the photo instructions for how everything fit in the box,. Additionally, they provided a downloadable PDF of the same. So while he may be reviewing this from more of a retail perspective, some of the complaints would make more sense if he had stated that.
@Niffin.2 жыл бұрын
They show how to sort things in the box on the Kickstarter campaign
@RyanHipp3 жыл бұрын
I am also wondering if the Robinson Crusoe bigbox will have these same problems
@NapoleonsTriumph2 жыл бұрын
$300 for the box in NZ.
@SFuruli3 жыл бұрын
Why didn't you just go to the Kickstarter page which has a large organization picture of where to put everything in the box? 😝
@elquiltro922 жыл бұрын
Imagine the backers faces when they find out they can build custom inserts to fit EVERYTHING in the original base game box.
@veryblocky Жыл бұрын
If you have 3D tiles you wouldn’t be able to. I have a foam insert in the original box which fits everything, but if I ever wanted some plastic tiles I’d need a separate container
@johnioannis82062 жыл бұрын
What's the difference with the new small box ?
@joeferreti94423 жыл бұрын
I'm so so glad I didn't get this! So unnecessary and cumbersome! But that the promo cards have different size than the other cards they're supposed to shuffle together with. Crazy! I would be so mad! Stronghold Games and FryxGames and Schwerkraft-Verlag are best to be avoided in the future.
@Noland553 жыл бұрын
I found directions showing what went where.
@cabalpaxiarch72393 жыл бұрын
Honestly it's quite ridiculous that the box didn't include instructions on how to put everything. Also the box with the cards is so hard to get out, even with slender fingers. The markers are really terrible. Two of them have the exact same colour and the Venus one is barely recognizable, you can hardly see the V. There's also a smaller box that fits perfectly in one of the holes but I literally have no idea what it's for. I've sleeved all the cards and they fit in the long box so I just have an empty box for no reason whatsoever. All in all, I'd say it's a decent-ish product for someone who hasn't bought any other upgrades. It all fits and it makes the game better looking, but it certainly wasn't worth $100.
@ElGrandoCaymano3 жыл бұрын
Hi Tom/DT - What's with the display of Bora Bora? A great dice w/p game IMO, but I know Tom is NOT a Stefan Feld fan and I could not see any news that it is being reprinted. Is there any significance to why it's being displayed?
@thedicetower3 жыл бұрын
Nope, just showing off random games from the Dice Tower library.
@nomascontrol3 жыл бұрын
I also got this and after receiving it I'm glad I got it, but I will never buy anything from Stronghold games again.
@harimakenji76082 жыл бұрын
Does the big box include the base game?
@gitgeronimo93753 жыл бұрын
Broken Token has a nice looking crate. Anyone here have it?
@Dthamilaye3 жыл бұрын
Usually these big boxes should have instructions, but this one had so much extra room that you can fit everything in many different ways. There are several big wells that are empty for me. The different size cards, it seems all new cards are that bigger size. At least my new base game I got with the big box were same size as the protos.
@bieltann90583 жыл бұрын
Oh no, the metal cubes weren't just individually wrapped. The individually wrapped cubes were also separated into different colours, each in their own bag. Finally all three of these bags were also in another plastic bag.
@ChaosandComics3 жыл бұрын
Credit the videos you watched. That's just polite.
@kwirl3 жыл бұрын
anyone know where to get those colonies wood pieces?
@dafickler3 жыл бұрын
I love this game and I had a HUGE problem with the size of the added cards. I Double-sleeved my game. The perfect-fits were already really tight on the old ones. The new ones were terrible to put in them and they bow like crazy so I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to take off the perfect fits and just single sleeve my game now. Why the crap did Stronghold just not make the cards the standard size?!...and how do you not cut the additional cards the same size?!
@logiclust3 жыл бұрын
love my big box - seems quite obvious where everything went to me. a unified rulebook would have been nice. kinda expected one but it was never mentioned on the KS. one box instead of 3? SOLD
@thereal4579 Жыл бұрын
how to sort the box is literally on the KS page.....such a baby
@Flipbug_The_Whimsical6 ай бұрын
great review - I could tell it was painful to admit all the flaws
@janchristian77633 жыл бұрын
I am rather happy with the box itself and the molds, which does not mean that things could not have been better - but somewhat I feel at the end of the day you have to I integrate you dream scenario with the reality at hand (I mean come on we regularly do it with movies which still entertain us). So having said that I feel like this review is somewhat missing the point. So the box's rating is good to ok with a couple of things one can deal with but is it in the end a deal you should go for? Does Etsy for instance offer you the better deal(s) in the end? As it is not a new game but just component upgrades without a comment in this direction the whole review does not really serve a purpose I feel..... PS if you want to be annoyed with stronghold take their answering of question during the campaign for any company out there THIS IS HOW NOT TO DO IT
@JerreMuesli3 жыл бұрын
Not sure who was waiting for this at the given price..
@Crs90723 жыл бұрын
No, the tiles from the original game ARE better than the "fancy" plastic junk that's in this box. Plastic doesn't mean automatically better. These make the game much cluttered, more difficult to see the board state, and take way more space in general. They also don't look that great.
@VladislavKluska3 жыл бұрын
Anachrony did so much better job with their deluxe box. With proper manual how to sort everything and put it back... I'm always surprised that this big games like Terraforming are so much worse than much smaller ones.
@BrandonGraham3 жыл бұрын
Did you see the base game? ...are you really surprised?
@VladislavKluska3 жыл бұрын
@@BrandonGraham I didn't see it in person,because the game looks so ugly for me, that I know it's not something I wanna play.
@BrandonGraham3 жыл бұрын
@@VladislavKluska I got the game when it came out. Opened a new-in-shrink copy, and the cubes were already flaking off their "metal" coating. The cards were cheap, the art was random stuff like if you used google to find random images, and the player mat was slightly thicker than paper. For something like $70.
@VladislavKluska3 жыл бұрын
@@BrandonGraham That's kinda sad...
@RyanHipp3 жыл бұрын
Glad I didn't go all in on the Kickstarter!
@JonoNZBoardGamer3 жыл бұрын
This game seems incredibly bloated with all the expansions. I hope in a few years time they release a second edition that comes with Prelude in the base game and better art/components. Only if that happens will I ever consider buying Terraforming Mars.
@wayner7263 Жыл бұрын
If they do a collector's ed or 2nd ed, I believe they will include the upgraded player boards. It will be interesting to see if they will offer ceramic tiles (like Castles of Burgandy).
@GGdeTOURS373 жыл бұрын
TY Tom for the video! Really sorry but for me all those ugly plastic 3D pieces are much more awful that the original hexes I loved! Subjective thing you said? So not for me! But TM is still my #1 Board Game!
@erlantoktomambetov79072 жыл бұрын
If Tom dropped everything for the introduction like he usually does, I think it'd cause a little earthquake
@ralelunar3 жыл бұрын
All that hubbub from Stronghold about finally giving us 3D tiles and the box doesn't even come with a proper instructional guide. That pretty much sums up these bloated Kickstarter projects. They attract people with the shiny stuff but don't pay attention to the functionality of the product.
@robotskirts3 жыл бұрын
Just today (a day after the video) they published the packing guide as a kickstarter update www.kickstarter.com/projects/strongholdgames/terraforming-mars-big-box/posts/3216953
@bushibayushi3 жыл бұрын
@abhishekvenkat23092 жыл бұрын
I must be part of the minority that prefers the regular tiles to these toy looking things.
@bill08042 жыл бұрын
Seems expensive for what you get
@crivgil3 жыл бұрын
Nah I'm happy with my BB and all add-ons, besides there is no rocket science to organize things inside the box, and you can always organize things as you wish, I had just the base game and never played other expansions (I was waiting this bundle) anyway for me is a huge improvement compared to the cheap base game components, surely there is a lot of room for improvement here and some etsy tiles looks better but is way more expensive and with no storage solution, I got it, I'm glad I did and the table presence looks amazing but I understand the complaints of others, maybe my expectations were low and was a nice surprise, as always if you skipped and you are glad it's good and if you got it and don't like it, just sell it, and that's good too
@dall17863 жыл бұрын
I'm still surprised they missed the opportunity to make a complete all in one Rulebook for the game. I mean if you are getting this box you more than likely have all the expansions anyway. They could have used it to clean up a few of the rules that are not understood well by new players and had a page for how to put the box together all in one. Those tiles are nice but Tom is being overly generous when he says they are on par with secondary market tiles. Secondary market 3D tiles are light years better. The worst has to be those garbage cardboard player boards that will warp over time. you can get WAY better ones for the same price as they sell them separately in wood. All in all a terrible product IMO.
@a.c.s.620411 ай бұрын
I disagree on the tiles. The 3d tiles have a better look about them than almost all Etsy tiles. All of the Etsy have one big flaw and that's imperfections in the 3d printing process. These tiles are made very cleanly and manufactured by a company. Not by some dude sitting in his garage.
@Power-Mad3 жыл бұрын
I HATE kallax monsters. When you've made your game 3 layers of inserts deep and have to pull out a lot of unnecessary stuff in order to get to the necessary stuff, your box should've just been a coffin box. So what they don't fit in a very specific ikea shelf that boardgame reviewers made popular, I wanna open up a lid and grab what I need.
@jschildress13 жыл бұрын
Yep, not even a single sheet showing where everything goes. I had to find a video to do it and even that video wasn't a "How to" video. Just lazy.
@rb45513 жыл бұрын
They would have lost 2 penny profit per box so F U, loyal customer. lol Thats their attitude all around.
@dayoltay2 жыл бұрын
This is how it should have been. The quality of the regular copy is an insult to the buyer.
@mitchalibi27943 жыл бұрын
The Ancient Greek word for "whatever" is "ΟΤΙ ΝΑ'ΝΑΙ".
@bushibayushi3 жыл бұрын
...or you could buy Race for the Galaxy, which is basically a deck of cards with some tokens and a MUCH better game overall
@BandNerdcp3 жыл бұрын
that's like, your opinion, maaan
@Haladras3 жыл бұрын
@@BandNerdcp But it’s a good one. People are far too forgiving of TM’s design flaws. It’s a heavy-euro length for a medium- or even light- euro depth.
@Nemspy3 жыл бұрын
I'd prefer a deluxe edition with better cards and card art than the big box.
@thejibberjabberwookiee86043 жыл бұрын
Whoopie kada doo
@florianstock3763 жыл бұрын
And still misses the most practical upgrade you can get for Terraforming Mars: A card shuffling machine.
@robbmg97162 жыл бұрын
Bruh, no. How about not bloating the product with generic stuff that is not needed by most, and is already had by most of the rest? If you want a card shuffling machine you can buy one... Or just learn to do a bendless riffle shuffle.
@skipmcilvaine3 жыл бұрын
Barf!
@ArnoVdVelde3 жыл бұрын
That's a lot of bling for one of the ugliest games out there :p
@thecrabbydice3 жыл бұрын
Wiat u expected quality from stronghold games ? Rofl ... they havnt made a quality product in terms of art and components ever
@NathanBeitler3 жыл бұрын
Escape from Atlantis is good.
@sebastianortega19382 жыл бұрын
New title for the video: Tom Vasel's trademark "carelessly toss everything around using only one hand", while reviewing Terraforming Mars Big Box and trying to figure out how to put everything back in the box. Now, jokes apart, I'm really thinking about buying the big box but I just can't find any truly unbiased reviews to check on it. This video didn't really help :/
@TheMellowSide2 жыл бұрын
You realise reviews are inherently biased as a medium, right? There's no such thing as objective review, what you're looking for is a product description. And besides, you can see the contents of the box here just fine.
@BrownEagle3 жыл бұрын
Tom seemed really upset he had to figure out how to put things in, even though he benefitted from the freedom of the box to allow his own upgraded components to fit. I love the Box, does everything I wanted from it (be a nice Box). What games that offer Big Box storage solutions do people enjoy? AT LEAST THIS GOT ONE, waiting on you Root, Spirit Island.
@LeeKenshin73 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy Scythe Legendary box. I actually my TM stuff in the base Scythe box and hang the base TM box as wall art. Too much space can also be an issue (e.g. component shift, wasted shelf space).
@aonline_abridged2 жыл бұрын
Underwhelming. could have been better, cooler, unique...was my overall feeling as well. The only time I went, "neat", was when I saw how compact the cube holders were. The cities in particular had too similar a mold, it was like they sucked the fun and creativity out of futuristic Martian city design. Just OK in the end.
@adamg49123 жыл бұрын
Good game but too slow paced for my taste.
@joseg.61873 жыл бұрын
Oh man, no sleeves!
@Darkangelus4293 жыл бұрын
I know right. That hurt my soul a little bit.
@thedicetower3 жыл бұрын
I like not having a pile that goes to the ceiling when we play.
@joseg.61873 жыл бұрын
@@thedicetower the new tower box in the product was to handle that! Haha does not work?
@thedicetower3 жыл бұрын
@@joseg.6187 I also forgot to mention that I hate handling sleeved cards. I just don't like them, sorry!
@Steve-L3 жыл бұрын
Tom has stated this for years. Nothing new.
@rb45513 жыл бұрын
Stronghold lost me as a customer despite being a huge fan of their game and its sad. Trying to gauge people to buy turmoil to get the much awaited dual layered player boards was strike 1 but I was willing to look away since I actually enjoyed turmoil ( yes you can wait to buy later, but also most decent publishers will allow options to buy that stuff during KS...there was 0 excuse). Then finally coming out with a big box which everyone requested and forcing you to buy garbage level tiles that are worse than etsy tiles and priced about the same despite mass production savings. Then again giving no options for people who already have etsy tiles or dont want etsy tiles but have all their stuff. Seriously that company is worse than Apple. 0 excuse for their greed. Juice your brand name and disregard your loyal fans, its your prerogative but dont expect long term loyalty. Short term gains vs long term pains. Cant wait to see what they will force you to buy when they finally redesign their ugly cards that everyone has asked for for ages. lol. im so done with them.
@rb45513 жыл бұрын
@@klabjcobevj72nso0fj4 its 100% greed. Many successful companies offer options to their backers. You dont want all the fluff? Join the pledge manager and order a la carte. Its beneficial in the sense that they basically use as preorder and can secure more numbers for larger print runs which saves money to everyone. However, their system is to be greedy, hold back options and try to capitalize on fomo / impulse buying. its quite gross. Its totally their prerogative, but some people see through their business tactic and they will lose those people's trust. Id never do that to my clients anyways. Call it a major difference of values / opinions.
@boardgameknight27913 жыл бұрын
When you say that Stronghold games is greedy, you're really saying Steven Buonocore is greedy, cause that's pretty much who Stronghold games is. And I gotta say, having met they guy, and watched and listened to hours and hours of his content over the years, I don't think that's a fair label. Dude left big money firms (like Lehman Brothers) to make hobby games - that's not exactly a career move that says "greedy" to me. He works hard and struggles just like all the other smaller publishers out there. Also, one thing to keep in mind with Stronghold Games is that Steven manufactures his games in the US, so the prices are a bit higher and the quality is not the same as coming from the factories in China. However, I do love supporting companies that find alternatives to China for manufacturing. I for one, am happy paying the extra dollars in this case.
@pjpaella3 жыл бұрын
Calling the Big Box tiles garbage is quite hyperbolic. The tiles are nice, and yes it's subjective, but I find them very nice.
@MeanNGreen173 жыл бұрын
@@boardgameknight2791 Steven has nothing to do with Stronghold anymore. He retired last August 1.
@boardgameknight27913 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's true. I guess that makes it so he wasn't responsible for the Kickstarter? Idk, actually. But I still felt the need to defend him - feel like he and his publishing company has been hated on unfairly over the years. :)
@jerryf196 Жыл бұрын
Doesn't seem 150$ worth buying! I like the game rather invest in the expansions or other board games
@nickbrown8892 Жыл бұрын
At £150 in the UK this is a big waste of money just to buy some more cheap looking plastic. Great game, not so great publisher.