Terran Marine (Starcraft) Vs Space Marine (Warhammer 40K)

[@viniciusmazzetto4935]

so many things that weren't covered in the video about the Terrans, I didn't think it was fair Besides, a fairer comparison would be with the ghosts or specters of Starcraft, since they are the elite units of that universe. And, the metal of the Starcraft universe is the neostell, a new super resistant metal

[@evernewb2073]

while they do have tougher materials to work with it isn't by some impossible degree instead most of the terran armor tech revolves around their stuff being absurdly good at _transferring_ energy: once things are hitting fast enough projectiles pretty much penetrate their weight worth of distance into whatever they hit regardless of whether they are hitting diamond or dandruff or anything in between, nearly everything in the SC setting that fires a projectile is firing them well past that speed, after that point everything is about how the energy disperses during the impact event rather than where the original projectile ends up and just throwing more metal in the way essentially just turns the slab of metal you're trying to use as armor into either a shaped charge or a shotgun if you want to even try to protect something you need to direct where the energy goes not try to resist the impact by throwing more and more tensile strength in the way and hoping you used enough. Terran protoss and zerg armor all leaves what it is protecting pretty much perfectly intact riiiiight up until it fails and the next hit turns an area into rather energetic soup. the C14 is intended to either just denature little spots all over the place until something gets lucky when acting at extreeme range or against sufficiently fast targets to prevent focusing fire on one spot, ideal use is to drop a bunch of shots into one small area and essentially just wedge metal in there replacing a section of the armor scheme until the next shot's energy has a good transfer medium to reach something important. the whole point of the "Marine" suit is to act as a firing platform to allow them to actually drop a 30 round burst into the same spot or even just fire the gun at all without flying all over the place from the recoil, don't let the arms and legs fool you into thinking of it as a soldier with an assault rifle the C14 is very much a vehicle mounted weapon and a marine is basically a walking CWIS.

[@eldesconocido669]

​@@evernewb2073 finalmente, alguien que entiende el poder del C-14. Incluso en su versión de Starcraft 1 hay una cinemática donde vacía un cargador completo en segundos. Los cálculos varían entre 30 y 70 RPS.

[@evernewb2073]

@@eldesconocido669 huh...I think I might have understood that despite not speaking the language in question well enough to know whether it's Spanish or Portuguese or something similar. SC1 has video showing a much lower rate of fire correct? if I'm remembering right the wraiths also function very differently in SC1 cinematics (though I remember lore agreeing with the cinematic on that one, their "burst lasers" are more like a reusable bomb payload on a very slow rate of fire than a pewpewgun). the cinematics were some of the first things they started and last things they finished, SC1 was *not* a high budget game hen it was made and they really didn't have the option to change things as they went in the _unit sprites_ let alone the cinematics for example there are mirages of Marines stuck spinning in perpetuity in their missle turrets still to this day

[@eldesconocido669]

@@evernewb2073 Siempre se puede usar el traductor. En cualquier caso, voy a escribir una respuesta y luego lo pasaré por el traductor para que puedas leerlo sin tantos problemas. Si, puede que no se vean tan bien las cinemáticas antiguas; pero, el hecho es que nos muestran varias veces el contador de munición del marine y como baja de 200 y algo balas a 0 en menos de 5 segundos. También en Starcraft II, en la cinemática inicial de Heart of the Swarm, se en mucha mejor calidad como los marines disparan ráfagas y ráfagas de munición por periodos sostenidos de tiempo. Con respecto a las ánimas (wraits), son vehículos pesados para el combate espacial, lo que incluye los láseres los cuales tienen mayor potencia en el vacío ya que no se ven refractados por partículas de polvo o la atmósfera de los planetas (de hecho, es por esto que usan misiles en el juego normal, ya que los láseres serían inútiles en el combate aéreo dentro de un planeta contra otros vehículos aéreos). Google translator You can always use the translator. In any case, I'm going to write a response and then run it through the translator so you can read it without so much trouble. Yes, the old cutscenes may not look as good; but, the fact is that they show us several times the marine's ammunition counter and how it drops from 200 or so bullets to 0 in less than 5 seconds. Also in Starcraft II, in the opening cinematic of Heart of the Swarm, it is shown in much better quality how the marines fire bursts and bursts of ammunition for sustained periods of time. Regarding wraits, they are heavy vehicles for space combat, which includes lasers which have greater power in a vacuum since they are not refracted by dust particles or the atmosphere of the planets (in fact, This is why they use missiles in the normal game, as lasers would be useless in air combat inside a planet against other aerial vehicles).

[@nobleman9393]

Correction: Normal Bolter Rounds aren't hypersonic, there are ammo variants which are tho.

[@dagonofthedepths]

depends on what book your reading. Some just straight up make every bolt hypersonic.

[@ofal5124]

I don't know where did that guy pulled 2 inches of steel for C14 out of. Plus, maybe author don't know diffrence between supersonic and hypersonic. Hypersonic starts at 1715 m/s making C14 a portable railgun that can also shoot full auto This makes Bullets shoot out of this weapon absurdly fast, compared to rocket powered bolt. so it would deliver insane kinetic power on hit. And even if- gauss rifle somehow wouldn't be able to penetrate Space marine armor on the first hit, It's 30 rounds per second burst fire should be enough to break structural integrity of ceramite armor to drill a hole straight trough them.

[@nobleman9393]

@@ofal5124 Hypersonic starts at 1715 m/s

[@ofal5124]

@@nobleman9393 whoops, my bad, I've read it wrong nontheless It's still much greater speed compared to bolter

[@johnleaver4272]

@@ofal5124 he got it from the wiki and official sources, and fandom pages

[@chengkuoklee5734]

Space Marine suit up: a delicate complex ritual. Starcraft Marine suit up- Raynor:" Okay boys, suit up, cover your ass, we are leaving in 5 minutes."

[@crowbarduck1818]

Tell us you know nothing of starcraft lore

[@capadociaash8003]

@@crowbarduck1818right, because a Star Craft marines suit up only takes a single minute

[@crowbarduck1818]

@capadociaash8003 it takes a minute with a room full of robots... yes. Same with halos mjolnir the 40k space marines takes about the same amount of time it just has time wasted to perform religious rituals. Worst is the nano suit from crysis since you may get into it fast but you are never leaving the armor

[@kgunslinger]

@@capadociaash8003it dose read the books that’s literally in the first book

[@capadociaash8003]

@@kgunslinger I know, he was saying that the original was inaccurate presumably because it would take much longer. I was saying it was inaccurate because it would be even faster than what he said

[@alejandrotevez6302]

The thing is that SC marines are endless while space marines are just in chapters of a 1000 strong each

[@capadociaash8003]

Yeah, Star Craft marines aren’t the Star Craft version of Space Marines, they’re the Star Craft version of the imperial guard

[@fanficlover]

​@capadociaash8003 the relative numbers of imperial guard plus roughly half as effective as WH40k SM considering their power armor and their Gauss Rifles.

[@DagothUr69]

@@capadociaash8003nope, imperial guard with just shh level ASTARTES armor. The gauss gun wipes the bolter ez. The fact they don’t cost the gdp of an entire world easily gives them the win as well. I’d much rather have cou tless penny priced trained cadian guardsmen with astartes level equipment than 1 OVERPRICED AS HELL astartes that dies just as easily to a gernade or necron laser

[@marcopolo8584]

You have a problem: The C-14 Gauss Rifle can penetrate 2 inches of *neosteel* not normal steel. We have no clue how durable neosteel is, because Starcraft players don't care about power-scaling, they care about competitive balance. Every time I try and figure out how strong neosteel is, I just run into discussions as to whether it's a useful tech in competitive Starcraft II.

[@eldesconocido669]

Para ese tipo de información te sugiero tomar como referencia las campañas, no el juego competitivo.

[@drakolobo]

​@@eldesconocido669no, plating steel a improved steel

[@drakolobo]

To have the same effect on a Platting military steel of a C14, 8 mm. You needed to use 40mm ammunition

[@overmind3922]

I don't remember exactly how much the penetration capacity was, but I can tell you that it fires depleted uranium projectiles, to give you an idea, that's what the United States' flagship tank currently uses in its main gun.

[@nitokagaminen9660]

they said to punch through a neosteel blockhouse required a planetary drill blade

[@congnghequansuvn474]

Bolter round weight about 91grams, has velocity at 777m/s (Mach 2 supersonic) C14 Round weight about 80grams, has velocity at (at least) 1500m/s (hypersonic speed) Bolter round has power about 54.939 joules while C14 Round has power of 180.000 joules

[@Scudboy17]

The Tau have railguns, both hand held and vehicle mounted, the equivalent of the Terran marines rail gun rifles. Space Marine armor is capable of stopping that round. Not everytime, but it can protect the astartes from hyper velocity projectiles.

[@chengkuoklee5734]

Jedi can block blasters, until 100 blasters shooting at you at the same time aiming different parts of body. Number matters too.

[@congnghequansuvn474]

@@Scudboy17 Most of the time it doesn't, that's why they hate the T'au railguns so much. Nevertheless, C14 Impaler Gauss Rifle has an extremely fast rate of fire, any round that bounds are not douzaine most would penetrate

[@congnghequansuvn474]

@@chengkuoklee5734 C14 has an extremely fast rate of fire and Terran Marines are cannon fodders not super soldiers

[@Taron_HaiTar]

​@@congnghequansuvn474 Also need to consider them going full auto out of desperation in near melee range, and even if you are Astartes, you DO NOT want to be in that situation, as full auto C-14 firerate is comparable to A-10 Warthog main cannon.

[@Matjoe_WeRTY]

Please do a comparison between the Tyranids and the Zerg. Cannot believe no one has ever done such..

[@StressmanFIN]

Hah... you know, every time I tried googling that, everyone would say it's pointless because 'Nids would always roflstomp Zerg. However, put Kerrigan against any of the named 'Nids and it's somehow more balanced(?)

[@Matjoe_WeRTY]

@@StressmanFIN hmm, but will it make difference though, I mean the "Doom of Malantai" alone is a pretty powerful Zoanthrope that sucked up a craft world's worth of Eldar souls and psychic energy. I don't it if pre Brood War with the Overmind would even make a difference..

[@thorshammer7883]

@@Matjoe_WeRTY I would say the Zerg are alot better at planetary combat and have alot more faster potential to adapt mid combat in just hours or minutes unlike the Tyranids who take months or weeks to develop and employ their adaptions across their hordes on the land or across their hivefleet. The Zerg's hierarchy is pretty stiff but it can be improved upon.

[@ANDELE3025]

Zerg stomp if they dont just unify (likely as the base instinct in the zerg when split from be it collective under overmind or later queens commands is feast and survive). They succeeded (almost twice were it not for the hybrid threat) already at what Big E managed once and nids still didnt start, that being taking over the milky way (i mean, the head got metaphorically bonked into the body and kerri took over and on paper pulled all the forces causing the rogue strains not in or near the Koprulu sector to either atrophy, burrow away or go feral, but it doesnt change that they spread from galactic core to toss space and then to other end of galaxy to get to the terran expanses in 60 years and claimed minimum 2 entire systems during that time before the toss noticed as they are functionally on the edge end of the galaxy while zerus is in the center). Zerglings are between stealer and warrior on power at the cost old glanded gaunt durability (tho slightly larger in height profile/being to human ribs if counting up to back or above human if counting their claws instead of belt/around the meter ten of gaunts) so downside there due to lacking support of ranged firepower), produced in full gaunt/as now called endless multitude level numbers every tens of minutes. Not to mention they went from dropping hierodule to dominatrix sized monsters as siege fodder to dropping mass mid hight-hierophant equivalents and the critical factor, unlike nids they actually have good spacefaring ship combat capabilities. SC2 nerfed the base units slightly lore side (instead of being outright warrior+ in small package lings were and hydralisks went down from half a dev gunfex with burrowing and 10e extra speed to distractionfex of damage on old ravener profile), but just the size, durability and power buff of ultralisks to all be old commander unique brood variant level of power of "stomps through buildings and nuke drops like tctan through vault" made up for it ignoring the outright bullshit nonsense they did go star god kerri instead of giving her a proper farewell. I blame the forum idiocy on the fact that its zoomers and people that never bother reading fucking missions or the manual of games much like how people forget how now cute dino bugs looked before their makeover which happens to coincide with the announcement of brood war and already large success of SC1.

[@ANDELE3025]

@@StressmanFIN If we count SC1, because she is pre-recent stories swarmlord level threat (aka takes costs that even if you defend successfully you just got a pyrrhic victory), if its SC2, because actiblizz is hacks and made her a shitty star deity phoenix shit (or for 40k players blessed to have not played SC2 or at least not beyond heart of the swarm, made her a pre-retcon pre-final infight and trick imprisonment full feast on brethren ctan).

[@Arthog627]

Im a HUGE warhammer fan, and know the difference. But to say that the starcraft Marines are "average" is hilarious. Theyre still mostly danferous and violent criminals that have freedom on the line. And even still. A 7" basic marine is still terrifying lol

[@thecommentguy9380]

Most grunts are convict, that is true, but dominion elite troops are not and are hand picked for proper training instead of getting a RESOC brainwash

[@thorshammer7883]

As a reliable fighting force Terrans do have one very good thing. They are readily available and their armored exoskeletons can be mass produced and armed for it's occupants rather quickly. And in the Starcraft galaxy the population size and planetary holds the Terrans have are much much smaller then the Imperium of Man. Like we're only talking about dozens of billions in population and a few dozen planets in the Koprulu sector alone. Obviously the Terran military would be smaller from these demographics and available resources to them as the bases of where they can realistically adapt. So it makes sense why the Terran marines would be in the millions on average. However if the Terran population was larger and they did have more planets like say in the thousands then the manpower would increase dramatically and unlike Astartes chapters Terran Marine armies can be recruited and armed with the readily equipment in mere months while Space Marines takes decades to have one be ready. The rates and scales are just different. As a reliable fighting force if factions were equalized I rather choose the Terran military. Unlike the Imperium they are not heavily stagnanting or regressing their technology is still growing unlike the Imperium who have constantly ruined their good opportunities at creating a more effective fighting force. Such as when they got rid of that branch of Guardmen I heard of who were actually better as a organized fighting unit then some Astartes. It shows the incompetence and complete lack cohesion of Imperium culture and doctrine that their bureaucracy deals in. They are morons.

[@alexanderimmortal4354]

Those are very valid points bro, normally people don't think about those things, it's more like,, my gun is bigger than yours,,i think GW purposley keep the imperium in a degrading state cuz if they were to to make then back in DAOT they'd be dominating the galaxy and it will become very boring and sells will drop a little, remember above all these verses are a business first

[@thorshammer7883]

@@alexanderimmortal4354 Folks should do more to think on strageic variables and factors more often then instead of looking at only the surface level. If they are more perspective and self reflective then they will be more smarter next time and it will help them out in the long run. As for the Imperium being dominant the writers could simply make the adversary factions more powerful as well. Make a competent Imperium near Dark Age of Technology tier fight a full developed Waagh of Krorks from Ghazghkull Thraka's group fight them and actually amp the Eldar, Warp, and Tyranid factions then and the Necrons gaining back more of their War In Heaven resources. Heck even add new factions into the galaxy like a anti Imperium group of humans in possession of a Dyson Sphere hating the Adeptus Mechanicus, Inquisition, High Lords of Terra, as well as the varies monopoly gulids and houses who run the Imperium rage war against them and don't use the Warp at all. Or new cosmic horrors which are beyond the Warp such as the Pale Wasting and Harrowing creatures and the things the Necrons know of make a return start causing a tsunamis amounts of trouble for everyone including a Dark Age of Technology tier kingdom to deal with as they infest the stars. It's not to difficult think of new developing and escalating factors for a Dark Age of Technology sector to fight with.

[@alexanderimmortal4354]

Those concepts you mentioned are a wet fantasy of many 40k fans I'd love to see that too, thing is that's not how real life is, and it will likely never happen at least not any time soon, How GW purposley keep caged the necrons with their,, in fighting among themselves,, or,, not seeing a real threat in the eyes of the imperium,, That being said the Silent King has stepped up recently slaughtering a good chunk of Astartes, Guilliman going there personally to potentially clash with the Silent king who doesn't wanna see that right (altho i personally think Guilliman isn't a threat on 1v1 again Silent King but it's the build up the excitement that gets 40k fans rolling in anticipation plus Primarchs are basically plot devices that can do anything, but about kroks coming back new super races coming the game I don't think GW will ever do that, you know how they are what they like 😔

[@youraveragescotsman7119]

@@alexanderimmortal4354 Realistically Guilliman is going to get absolutely smacked down by the Silent King. This guy lead his people against TWO races of Gods and kicked their teeth in. His personal guard, from the few feats we know, are basically Necron Custodes. There isn't a chance in hell that anyone gets close to him, let alone wins a fight against him.

[@PrimarisAngelusMortis]

One Space Marine can take on 1000 Terran Marines and still win. It's not even a match, tech and numbers alone won't matter much against literal Superhumans with unmatched strategic prowess and intelligence.

[@eldesconocido669]

Quisiera hacer algunas acotaciones al video. 1. Los murcielagos de fuego no disparan fuego, sino plasma a miles de grados. 2. Las armaduras de los marines Terran pueden ser mejoradas en blindaje y equipos, como lo es la inclusión del recubrimiento de vanadio que duplica la capacidad de absorción de impactos de las armaduras de los marines, la inclusión de los escudos de combate los cuales si pueden detener munición de proyectiles mayores. 3. Los rifles C-14 tienen la capacidad de disparar en modo ráfaga y en modo automatico. El modo automatico tiene una cadencia de 70 rondas por segundo. 4. Lo de que la munición Terran solo puede atravesar 2 pulgadas de acero es solo el mínimo de blindabke que puede stravesar con facilidad, pues también se ha visto a los marines Terran atravesar blindaje de naves espaciales que, si bien no tienen el daño completo si logran hacer un daño relevante.

[@drakolobo]

3.Are 30 bullet /sec

[@휴우먼-k4j]

fact:terran is 2600,second millenium,but imperiom is 41000,41st millenium

[@theelementalstation947]

Honestly a more fair fight would be Terran Marines vs Sororitas, and even then I’m putting my money on Big E’s #1 fan club.

[@ANDELE3025]

Honestly, far better odds than marines at any size. Fire works wonders vs a minimech with (mostly pneumatic) servos till firebat suits hit the field. And for full battle lines their rifles are more likely to overpenetrate the repentia and flagellants letting them get in a hit.

[@youraveragescotsman7119]

@@ANDELE3025 Don't really need to worry about overpenetration against soft targets when you're hitting them with enough force to tear the body in half or pin it to the wall. Anything rushing a Terran Marine that doesn't have a shield is getting murdered before they can swing. Not to mention the bayonet that most C-14s have.

[@ANDELE3025]

@@youraveragescotsman7119 You arent, thats exactly why overpenetration is a problem, when the target doesnt provide enough resistance to allow the projectile to transfer enough force during contact time (we know from real life proportion of idiots being lucky while handling powerful AM rifles surviving and only getting a year of recovery compared to smaller old pistol recreations accidentally firing because some idiot thought "lets replace the old saltpeter coal mix with polytri-nitro, whats the difference?" and consistently killing themselves). The problem for the Space Marine is they are wearing thermoplastic and ceramic mix over a thin in-skin (not on like padding, but actually in/as their skin) metal mesh, so its quite unlikely for the first shot to overpenetrate.

[@sgaford]

This seems like complete fanwank of 40k Marines. As other commenters have stated the C14 penetrates 2in of Neosteel, not Steel, some fantastic fictional Material that for all we know has the same properties of Auramite. It is also a fully automatic Railgun. The Bolter is simply a Automatic Rocket Propelled Red Bull Can launcher that has a small magazine, its not hypersonic except with special ammunition. Its also ignoring the factor of cost. It costs the Imperium entire planetary outputs to assemble the Armor for a single Space Marine, while the Terrans mass produce them and just give them out to anyone in a Militia. Any fight inbetween the two types of marines would see the Imperium loses due to sheer attrition.

[@Titanic_Tuna]

This is a 40k focused channel. I have binged a few of their videos and seen that they provide just as much inaccurate information for those other versus battles as they did for this one. There's nothing wrong with having a bias, however it would be nice if they did more research and didn't misrepresent/ommit important pieces of information.

[@drakolobo]

The correct quote is plating steel, rea more resistant steel, the mild steel is much weake.r to penetrate 2 inches, 40 mm caliber ammunition is needed.

[@VunderGuy]

.75 caliber is not a red bull can tho.

[@sluggy6074]

"Imperium lose to attrition" I dont know, man. 40,000 years of driving back super advanced ancient psychic wizards, planet devouring aliens and even the gods themselves I think I'll put my money on the one that comes from the universe known for "the eternal war"

[@n00bfest32]

The terran marines barely form the current threat level of the Tau. You’re joking right?

[@renatocorreaarrieche]

Terrans: Year: 2500 Scale: a small fraction compared to Earth forces. Population in billions Tech: dominates all their tech Imperium: Year: 40 000 Scale: hundreds of trillions Tech: forgot almost entirely

[@alexshank1414]

Jesus Christ, people.🤦🏻‍♂️ Some of these comments are ridiculous and fawning. *This is a 1v1!* It’s 1 present day Terran Marine with standard weapon vs 1 present day Space Marine standard weapon.

[@dragonlord498]

you didn't include all the other standard ammo types that terrain marines are often also regularly given Armor piercing: Used against heavily armored targets. Depleted uranium: Encompass U-238 shells/spikes. The most popular variant among marines given that they extend the rifle's range up to 25%. Hollow point spread: Flatten and expand on impact for maximum wounding efficiency. Incendiary: Used against structures.[ Steel tipped: Used to maim rather than kill an enemy. as well as they had grenade launcher and bayonet attachments i would say a typical starcraft terrain marine would likely count as a more elite guardsman type in regards to gear quality, or similar especially the ones that aren't conscripted criminals that just were given a instruction manual and the gear then told to kill the enemy. but those that actually gotten full training and combat experience and somewhat better gear. the elite terrain marines could i think possess a legit threat mainly as a squad though against one or maybe two standard space marines and only peak humans like jim raynor could maybe have a descent amount of chance vs 1v1 standard space marine.

[@Zso-VIII]

And likewise, Astartes also have a variety of options and more devastating ammunition types. That's not the point of the video.

[@dragonlord498]

​@@Zso-VIII ya but almost none of them seem to be true generally used variant ammos given most seem to be more associated with specific chapters or used by specialists in a chapter so wouldn't say those count. The ones I listed your likely to find on most terran space marines.

[@Zso-VIII]

@@dragonlord498 All astartes are at least basically training in using different ammunition types, it's come up occasionally in some books, and not by specialists. That some specialised astartes like deathwatch and tyrannic veterans make heavy use of it doesn't mean they're the only ones. If an astartes force knew it was facing enemies wearing an equivalent of power armour, they'd all switch up their ammunition allotment to a more armour-piercing variant.

[@dragonlord498]

@@Zso-VIII ya but this was meant to be if nether was preped for a specific situation or had specialized resources and what they almost always will have on them.

[@Ridgelinehunter007]

Space marines are undoubtedly better pound for pound however the question would be numbers deployed. Also terror Marines I say would have above average tactit's. So this would not be space marines fighting cultis or standard guard. If a space marine is worth a hundred imperial guard as it said in warhammer, I would say a space marine would be worth ten terran marines, so Where space Marines deploy as companies I could see them having to battle a battalion of terror marines. Numbers vs special abilities of the space Marines. A good one Would you love to see this play out Imagine if you had a company of space marines supported by A couple of the tides of terran marines on the same side Instead of standard imperial guard Regiments

[@dragonlord498]

ya would say a squad of terrain marines would be a legit threat for a space marine especially if they are elite terrain marine types who have better gear and training

[@ANDELE3025]

Without plasmas, sadly not even on the pound for pound unless the Sm gets to melee or is assault (or better yet, nurgle blessed csm raptor) as they are close to same weight A bolter is worse than modern day AMR options. A heavy bolter unit (or the derpy posed suppressor squads gun when actually on a vehicle where it belongs) is barely as good as slightly old but still used modern day AMR options by recent feats (if we dont assume bobby chose a cardboard box that would make dorn very sad as logistics center and nids arent suddenly gummy bears) or outright still worse if we go back to horus little tantrum times due to being unable to breach last centuries buildings in central to east europe (tho tbf said shit survived nukes, techno barbarians and men of iron at which point i always ask why big E decided to make the core of his palace/the actual citadel to the keep under everest unless he just like the view in the morning after a heavy knight of gene-chem nerding). The terran marine with his "gauss" rifle firing a box of U238 with a dash of "he better have some lead in their mini mechs" that in turn consistently gets through 10-11cm (converted from barbarian) of metal that isnt alien-planet-core material reinforced alloy or "outright necrodermis but without the emo salt of a lord commanding it to scarab up and lacking the cool green glow" so that they themselves dont experience some green glow in a year or three.

[@AllenLinnenJr]

Remember that both of these got their start in Robert Heinlien's Starship Troopers.

[@VunderGuy]

Honestly, Space Marine orbital support would be far more decisive in any meaningful engagement because the meta for 40 k begins at gigatons and the Marines naturally have some of the better ships for the imperium. Meanwhile, the space game for Star Craft factions is all over the place but where it's not is gigatons at a very low end. If you really wanted them to box one v one or small unit v small unit, one side has IFV auto cannons fired at minigun speeds and the other gyrojets that doesn't fire at minigun speeds however powerful bolter rounds are at any given area of a CMC suit. On the other hand, Space Meheeens are trained better, have better reflexes, and have equal or better situational awareness, so they'll likely be pulling the trigger first in any kind of engagement where both sides begin unaware. In any situation where a firefight breaks out the Maheeens chances of survival drop dramatically the longer it goes on because the volume of fire the Terrans can spray them with and the power behind individual shots ensures that even a moderately accurate glancing blow from just one spike will likely critically hinder a Mahreen's combat effectiveness, let alone three or any of the 60 Terran weapons can throw downrange per second. Even if you equipped all the Mahreens with rocket launchers, if the Terrans ever get the chance to make a fight of it, the geneseeds of those unfortunate of the Emperor's finest having to deal with that are going to have to be planted again.

[@ANDELE3025]

While its correct that "ah yes, do we have a nuke a planet option that in SC is only taken by extreme zealots and even then they try to do it slowly and methodically", i have to ask what fucking gigatons. It takes a heresy era chapter of marines using heavy bolters to get through 20th century european buildings. They wear ceramics that a shitty knockoff hybrid between a hyena bite and a crocodile can crack through to their metal enforced flesh and cause them to bleed. MULTIPLE TIMES ONE OF THEM IS KILLED BY AS CLOSE TO LITERAL FLASHLIGHTS A LASER CAN GET TO WITHOUT BEING A TOY THAT LOSE 80% OF THEIR ENERGY MORE THAN 3 METERS AWAY WHILE CHARGING (tho tbf the power packs of las weapons as a in setting mechanics are closes to cool and hypothetically reasonable regular imperial side gets). A modern day blacktip kills every non-vehicle model imperial side that isnt girlyman, sad dad of gaybar knights or blessed with the honor of a rosarius or halo (well, likely not the repentia or regular ig right away and/or with some luck and good instant medical assistance as we know there is a significant chance of overpenetration and such low force transfer that in around 1/6 cases based on irl accidental firings and hunting case of animals getting away and not dying where a regular pistol with a smaller round would have been lethal right away, so 5/6 of survival with dice luck).

[@Mochachocakon]

Considering the Terran marine is just the bottom line of the their military and can be fielded in far larger numbers. I think Terrans have a pretty good chance against 40K Space Marines. But if they have backup, it's no question.

[@jessicaberry5596]

If who has backup?

[@blackhornetextingstoryindu15]

​@@jessicaberry5596 the terran marines they have a lot of support unit's there

[@jessicaberry5596]

Would the not also be said about 40k's space marines and other factions? Which is why I ask the question. I'm confused.@@blackhornetextingstoryindu15

[@jonathanspivey437]

Exactly. Sure a single space marine can beat a single terran marine. But space marines are elite special forces types. Meanwhile, the terran marines are the basic rifle infantry for the terrans; more an equivalent to a guardsman than a space marine in terms of role and the percentage of their faction's forces that they make up.

[@itslife1399]

@@jonathanspivey437 True, but to be fair the sheer artillery will just decimate anything the terrain marines have before coming into contact with the guardsmen since that's what the guardsmen will do anyways.

[@alexanderimmortal4354]

Arbiters vs terrans is a closer fight tbh, Astartes are too powerful for terrans

[@ofal5124]

Video has some mistakes in it Basically guy did not distinguish supersonic from hypersonic Terran marine bullets are hypersonic, witch makes them miles faster than rocket powered bolts. when taking that into account (and fact that you can produce a maybe 40 Marines for cost of one Astartes) I think Marines would absolutley anihilate them (not without casulties tho)

[@ANDELE3025]

Problem is SC1 and 2 took modern day arms development into account much like how necrons in lore are at. A bolter rount canonically cant even brick through 20th century european 0.7m government building brick walls with its explosion and barely bores in it (as per siege of terra and old terrain rules when GW tried to wargame instead of imo the far better modern table chips and tournament balance game focus), SC gauss shoots through steel. Marine corps soldiers are in all forms physically weaker, but they have a actual mini mech suit closer to termi armor on them than glorified ceramics that a kroot dog can crack with a bite that Cawl thought was still a good idea to use for his super super supersoldier heresy.

[@evernewb2073]

(moving the end to the beginning for a TLDR) to sum it up the group creating one setting wanted their stuff to sound as over the top as possible because they thought "this is how you look cool" while the group creating the other setting wanted their stuff to sound as effective as possible because they thought "this is how you look cool", _both_ factions have some stylistic choices dictated by their mediums that their creators have tried to incorporate into their settings, starcraft also had the advantage of being set up considerably later so the writers had a couple of fundamental doctrine upgrades in their readily available research materials to work with _and_ were trying to think up from there instead of down...basically 40k is WW1 but in space with magic, SC-SC2 is a mix of the last 30 years of widely known military practice with some effort put in from the writers trying to incorporate a step or two past that or pre-empt needing to. you're missing a few zeroes on how many marines you get per astartes, astartes are ABSURDLY expensive to the tune of the writers thinking that "sounds more expensive" = "sounds better" whereas the gear for a marine is maybe 30 seconds of manhours per kit from materials in the ground to ready to use gear on a ready to -use- ahem, sorry, ready to "fight" combatant. even their training is a straight up data-dump to their brains done while the suit is being calibrated, prior training and real experience IS better than this: the datadump gets you a soldier that shoots straight and almost always reflexively follows orders but it does _not_ give a person the skillset to be an individually capable combatant (this is very much intentional, some factions may break from the practice). basically a Marine is a Guardsman-equivalent kitted out with gear superficially more akin to that of an Astartes-equivalent because unlike the Imperium their parent faction is both _absurdly_ good at logistics to the point where they consider mining with nanites to be far too slow to be competitive and good enough at economics to know that fielding soldiers with useless "cheap" gear is far more expensive than fielding soldiers with effective gear even just counting the cost of the _gear_ let alone including the soldiers. to be more specific the various iterations of the Confederate Marine Corps Powered Combat Suit which most Terran factions inherited the techbase for are designed as _weapons platforms_ to allow a person to handle the various versions of that crazy "little" railgun and generally armored just well enough to (usually) take 2 hits from whatever the standard for heavy artillery was at the time to kill the user rather than 1. inotherwords, yes, a marine _can_ canonically survive a direct hit from a siege tank (assuming they are both from roughly the same time period) but only if their armor was reasonably intact first...I am genuinely confused by him considering the CMC to be fragile by comparison: for a point of reference they consider a close miss from a nuclear strike to be an annoyingly bright light causing their vizor to go weird for a few seconds as it recalibrates through the aftermath. ps: the armor works almost entirely by being REALLY good at energy dispersal so injury to the user before the armor is compromised is rare but once it starts to fail it fails FAST since just sticking some metal in front of the incoming fire is next to useless against most of the weapons being fielded. pps: the speed for the round for the marine's weapon sounds WAY off: 1500 meters per second is about mach 4.4, the last time I tried looking up the marine's gun it said mach *14* not 4.4, that said I would not be even remotely surprised to find different numbers in different places...come to think of it would 4.4 be "hypersonic"? (quick trip to google later) nope, not quite, that's at mach5+. ppps: the numbers on warhamer's bolters are _hilariously_ inconsistent varying from guardsmen wielding planet-crackers as standard issue at the high end claiming lightspeed projectiles for bolters with no mention as to how they achieve this with 18th century japanese corpsepowder for propellant (because they thought the process of making it sounded cool? I guess?) and the low end giving numbers claiming less energy than a normal round from a 9-mil and rounded projectiles roughly the size of a baseball, this would likely fail to _bruise soft tissue_ let alone break through sci-fi uberarmor. NONE of the stated designs I found in a quick look (or have had pointed out to me by angry responders on previous comments regarding 40k) would be even remotely accurate to the point where most would be entirely capable of pulling a U-turn: blunt completely unstabilized hemispherical projectiles launched from a usually rough-hewn barrel with the majority of their propulsion coming from a crudely formed corpsepowder rocket, friggin' ancient china would consider these to be primitive embarrassments of a weapon if made as-described. if you ignore all that and assume it is somehow miraculously functional despite being completely, utterly, *hilariously* nonfunctional you still have the projectile rapidly shifting from an explosive round to a pure kinetic round as it accelerates loosing exponentially more energy-on-impact as it does due to the propellant getting exponentially less effective as the round approaches the exhaust speed, the explosive payload is also just the propellant all going up at once not a proper shaped charge or fragmentation charge (think "firecracker on your palm vs in your fist" lecture). you DO. NOT. WANT. it impacting as a kinetic round: that idiotic hemisphere shape is quite literally as bad as it is physically possible to make a kinetic impactor on top of being hilariously unstable...seriously, these things are so bad it leads me to think that whoever designed them actually _did_ do their research / know what they are doing simply because they manage to get things as wrong as they possibly can at so many stages. to-many-pees-s: in both weapons case the projectile itself will penetrate roughly it's weight worth of distance into whatever material it is hitting the difference is that the one from the marine will deliver it's energy in as focused a manner as possible turning a narrow cone extending from the impact into an explosion inside the target while the one from the bolter will quite literally disperse as much as is physically possible dealing as little damage as possible to as close to the surface as possible, I'm not kidding when I say that a unimaterial-hemisphere is literally the *worst possible design* for that round to be (you can make a projectile with less maximum penetration depth but the energy delivery would be *far* more focused).

[@PrimarisAngelusMortis]

​@@ofal5124 Bolter rounds are hypersonic too once the rocket propelled mechanism kicks in.

[@drakolobo]

Lol no

[@grantdening8458]

When some Imperial Guards managed to kill Space Marines, the Terran Marines would'e it a lot easier. The C-14 fires 30 round per Second with Hypersonic (Mach 7,5) Depleted Uranium APFSDS , the range goes into Kilometers. and yeah the Bolter goes through Space Marine (WH40k) Armor. And some Space Marines (WH40k) got killed with litteraly a pointed Stick in melee. it's still interesting that some "simps" mean that Terran Marines are weaker than Imperial Guards. Just because of Genetics! Genetics don't Help when you get Shreded by a A10-Warthog on two legs!

[@TheGhjgjgjgjgjg]

So you mean to tell me my genetically superior adamantium balls won't help me? Riiiiiggghhhhtttt

[@naoway336]

More importantly these war hammer channels don't really understand every human in the kepulu sector is a cybernetic android psyker. That's the whole reason they were exiled in the first place.

[@jmneo4635]

Was watching some Iron man clips in KZbin and got curious how the Hulk Buster would compare to terminator armors. Found a reddit comment a generic space marine would win 2 out 10 vs the Hulk Buster with standard equipment. Another was the Hulk cannot harm Terminators when Tyranids are tearing them like cardboards in lore. Still amazes me that the 'Simping' in 40k is to the point of delusional is so scary it is lore accurate to the setting's over the top fanatical expressions being projected in reality.

[@naoway336]

@@jmneo4635 There was a space marine chaplin that was killed by a tribal using a stick.

[@naoway336]

The whole guardsman genetics convo is silly Humans in the SC universe and especially the ones in Kepulu are cyborneticly augmented out the ass and literally genetically engineered as a species..

[@Marqhll]

Well Space Marines aren't invulnerable to their weapons. Las Guns are objectively worse than the weapons of Terran Marines but enough of them will take down a Space Marine. Any armor has weak spots and if enough Terran Marines are laying down fire on a Space marine then the Space Marine is toast. Also average thickness is not always going to be a proper indication of overall durability. The Helmet necessarily will not be as thick as the rest of the armor because it just literally can't be. Space Marine armor thickness is primarily going to be in the frontal armor and the shoulder plates. The armor on the joints, is not going to be as tough because it needs to provide a level of flexibility that allows the Space Marines to move around. Now obviously all of this would go for the Terran Marines as well but we already know that the Space Marines would have few issues penetrating Terran Marine armor with a direct hit. In a one on one a Space Marine would make an absolute joke out of a Terran Marine. That's not even a question. However, the Terran Marines would have a severe numbers advantage because their recruiting/training standards are FAR less strict. Definitely like the video though. It's fun to think about.

[@tiamat4964]

There is no comparison either because surely the space marine is 1000 times better than a terran.And let's face it, space marines fight thousands, almost like enemies are designed for war, a terran is not designed for war, almost from birth. Terran is good but for 1vs1 SM win hand down💯

[@thorshammer7883]

A 1000 times is overexaggerating for a average Astartes as their strength does have relative limitations.

[@chengkuoklee5734]

Unfortunately, war is not one on one. In Medieval times, knights are lords' greatest war machine, until ordinary soldiers or men-at-arms starting to acquire equipments and/or trainings decent enough (or same level). Then, numbers & economy speak themselves.

[@Neoth40k]

These were the worst arguments I've ever seen on this topic

[@tiamat4964]

@@Neoth40k say what you think? We are here for talk and learn a diff 💡 🤝🏻

[@chengkuoklee5734]

By the way, my friend told me there was Tallarn raiders with inferior tech than Terran Marine able to fend off Space Marine. So, the point is SpaceMarine could be 1000 times stronger than Terran Marine, but they are still killable.

[@richardwalker2881]

Terran space marines really don't have a chance, as imperium space marines are basically a more powerful version of the Spartan super soldier, plus terran space marines can actually lose to experienced commissars like commissisar Yaris, sure a certain space marine has connections to a very powerful force, yarris can count on both the blessings of the emperor & York & mork

[@chengkuoklee5734]

Funny, US & Soviet thought the same before they invade Vietnam/Afganistan.

[@ANDELE3025]

1) Yarrick. Its Sebastian Yarrick, not Yaris. 2) No. SC might not be close to as melee tanky (beyond protoss), but by narrative and feats have weaponry that inst beaten by WW2 to modern day IRL guns. You need to hit battlefleet gothic or Admech explorator fleet "anti-planet" options to reach SC.

[@DeathSithe92]

Actually this is untrue, on both statements, the terran marine lore wise is a little under in power when it comes to their armor but very much on par with killing power as a space marine if not MORE, something that people overlook/ignore due to bias is the terran marines weapon is more than capable of piercing space marine armor vs the average bolter is designed with soft targets in mind and was not designed to Dea with heavily armored foes such as space marine or equivalent armor, secondly a halo spartan is FAR stronger and deadlier than both a terran marine and space marine, having better/more advanced power armor onto of their rather let's say.....cartoonish augmented strength where it'd shown that a spartan, without their power armor can stoll with bare hands peel the armor off of tanks

[@drakolobo]

Spartan has feats similar to a space marine, it has an improved nervous system that an astarte does not have, it weighs the same and despite having not so strong armor, it has a shield that is a regenerative armor capacity, even if it is not as resistant, it shows feats of similar agility. As for the Terran, it weighs twice the minimum weight of an Astarte and has no biological improvements, but they are replaced with cybernetic improvements through AI, as well as the use of drugs that stimulate reflexes.

[@monkeylockheart]

Basically, based on the scenario. Each side will be equipped with the most basic supplies. That would be interesting. Now if you involve hero based characters, the space marines are no contest. Malum Caedo alone can basically erase entire armies. If Calgar shows up there’s no stopping the fighting spirit he commands. The only thing a space marine fears is failure.

[@BlackoScorpio]

Best counterpart for SC spacemarine would be adepta sorroritas, or other WH40k normal people in power armor

[@MRSYYKKGY]

Marines who keep distance from Aliens VS Marines who charge into Alien.

[@dragonrider1736]

The raptors marines are more of a distance

[@nitokagaminen9660]

because those alien cannot kill by melee weapon and strong af, i bet you can get 10 space marine vs 1 smallest zerg and you will end up 10 death space marine

[@dragonrider1736]

@@nitokagaminen9660 doubt it.

[@naoway336]

@@dragonrider1736 Zergling are faster then protoss, and the protoss don't really have speed they warp time around them and I'm talking baseline zealots here

[@dragonrider1736]

@@naoway336 toss the tyranids in and they'll make zergling be like taking the playground.

[@lorddeathofmurdermountain76]

normally I would agree with you however space marine armor isn't invulnerable to the C14 because they may only be able to pen 2In of steel while the bolter 4In the difference is the C14 does this through sheer force while the Boltgun uses mini HEAT rounds and pair that with Terran marines extremely accurate targeting systems in a battle for every 30 Terran marines lost thats 10 space marines lost thats not good for the Imperium think of the richest person on earth a space marine is more valuable than that persons entire bank account and assets combined where as a Terran marine they are cheap as fuck.

[@kronos661]

Boltgun rounds are not HEAT. Boltgun rounds are APHE. They do not use jet of molten metal but penetrate the target and than explode inside. Besides, early (crusade ones, those that are worse at penetrating the armor) bolt rounds have been killing humans in hyperadvanced powered armor (Interrex, civilisation advanced enough to be using particle weapons as normal) through sheer concussion. Terran Marines are going to be onetapped each. SM armor of old (mk4 I think) has feat of warding off prolonged fire from hypervelocity needles. I don't thing that C-14 impaler has a start to thatand MK6 and mk7 are better protected. Yes, there is only one example (as in one novel) but there was only one encounter with such weapons.

[@lorddeathofmurdermountain76]

@@kronos661 it really depends on who is writing the wh40k books there is a lot of inconstant lore especially behind how effective their gear is the c14 should be able to pen SM armor in some places like the helm but I do not think the bolter can 1 hit kill a Terran marine

[@kronos661]

@@lorddeathofmurdermountain76 If it's as inconsistent as you claim there is no discussion because there is no certainty. If you can't comb through lore finding averages among the most common depictions that fit the premise from books that have high... lets call it reliability (which means CS Goto and Matt Ward are going right OUT thus a lot of high end disappears) after throwing away the outliers there is NO discussion. It's not win or loose, there is just no ground for it. As for inconsistencies.... oh boy. I've been trying to get some calcs about Impaler going before voldemort virus and that was more problematic than bolter. Do you want me to revisit that one? Becasuse it might be the case that by your own standard none of us have any material to discuss here. As for vulnerability, sure. Try nailing visors of a guy moving so fast that he is a blur.

[@lorddeathofmurdermountain76]

@kronos661 dude how much do you know about StarCraft TM armor? BTW a space marine ounce said that the only people's complaining about the lazgun never had charge through thousands of them firing now imagine if it's the c14 instead the Terran federation deploys the Terrain marines imperial guard style and they have countless numbers of them.

[@kronos661]

@@lorddeathofmurdermountain76 I know it's not 8 inches of plasteel. It's relatively thin layer of metal on a frame. The one who has a humble lasgun in contempt and over the open ground, but yes. More or less. Yes. A fuckton of laser weapons. Putting a question of power to the side for a moment, laser weaponry deals damage in different way than the kinetics. It's different characteristics that are necessary to withstand that o one does not translate into the other. Think of it if you will as two values of armor, one against kinetics and the other against energy weapons.

[@maplemayhem1988]

If my boy Marcus did his math right the Terran armour should be able to match the protectiveness of the Astartes

[@ExiledPiasa]

I could see the Terran Marines being like the Roman Auxilia, 2nd line units and tech but still extremely dangerous and a good “heavy infantry “ for initial contact. If they meet a heavier force, they could call in their big brothers.

[@КонстантинГоломозов]

My answer is simply Empire of the Interex. A human civilisation that has retained much of the impressive Dark Age of Technology. They're a much, much more dangerous enemy than a small fragment of the human colony of Starcraft. There were hundreds of them subjugated during the Crusades.

[@MadHax-wt5tl]

As your thumbnail shows. These Terran soldiers are obviously tough, mean and more than able to kick bottom. And are clad in some serious armour. But Space Marines have their armour filled with bloody Vikings.

[@TheDemigans]

An 8mm tungsten spike at hypersonic velocities is going to be doing a lot more damage. The Tau have a Gauss weapon that fires slower and the bullet will instakill an SM. The SM’s have been killed on numerous occasions in large numbers when fighting mere Lasgun and Flak wielding troops. You are comparing the handful of highly specialized commando troops to the general army soldier. The Terran’s will steamroll the SM’s by sheer weight of numbers and the ability to tank more damage than lasgun+flak wielding soldiers can do and deal more damage and move faster.

[@TheOis1984]

given space marine sarges and commanders usually fight helmetless, this gives terran marine a fighting chance :D

[@alexanderimmortal4354]

It's cool to see that other verses have their own superhuman marines, but we all know who the daddy is 💀❤️

[@Taron_HaiTar]

Terran marines AREN'T superhumans! They may have pretty good high tech gear, but it does NOT make them superhumans. It's very much impressive, that a REGULAR human stands a considerable chance against Astartes.

[@TheErikM]

Robert heinlein?

[@FrostbiteDigital]

@@Taron_HaiTar I don't know dude, they're jacked up on stimpacks which enhance their physiology

[@Taron_HaiTar]

@@FrostbiteDigital It's just VERY potent combat drugs, nothing that would enhance permanently or would be enough to consider them superhumans. Also, they are jacked up because of steroids most of the time to be able to initially move the suit, that would then assist further (they needed that initial momentum to move the suit); the new suit models now don't require that now, so Terran marines now don't need to be as jacked as before.

[@RebelInTheF.D.G]

The debate ends with a catastrophic technological oversight on the part of SC, as well as an utter misunderstanding of depleted uranium ammunition. The C-14 is a magnetic induction rifle that supposedly fires hypersonic rounds, yet it fires depleted uranium rounds. Depleted uranium's magnetism is negligible at best, meaning it's impossible for the C-14 to fire a DU payload at hypersonic speeds. It would be subsonic at best, the drop of rate would be ridiculous, and the properties of DU ammunition would eliminate the kinetic transfer on impact that could have been obtained with tungsten. Also, depleted uranium rounds fragment and explode on impact, becoming high-velocity slivers capable of shredding armor. However, that's only relevant when there's enough DU to properly fragment. As the C-14 fires pinky-sized subsonic 8mm rounds, they would simply fragment upon colliding with hard targets and inflict zero damage. If you're going to shoot an Astartes with a C-14, you might as well shoot him with birdshot. If you're going to drop an Astartes with magnetic induction, you need a multi-stage coil action rifle that fires 20mm tungsten slugs at upwards of 6 to 8k fps with an efficiency selector that allows the operator to fire hypersonic, supersonic, and subsonic at will by adjusting the electromagnetic output. At maximum efficiency, such a rifle should be able to put a round through a Space Marine so fast that the sudden depressurization of his armor causes him to liquefy and be jettisoned out of the exit hole, leaving an empty shell behind. Too bad the C-14 ain't that. 40k wins again.

[@wascargerardohernandezemil4455]

Las matemáticas pierden sentido cuando no se toma en cuenta que la cadencia del C-14 es de 30 balas por segundo y estas mismas armaduras son capaces de soportar barias ráfagas, si omitimos como funciona la balística y un disparo no lograra penetrar la armadura del astartes almenos habran 3 o 4 mas que impacten en el mismo lugar y en cuanto a las habilidades adicionales de los astartes son contrarestadas por los sistemas del traje CMC en cierto grado, es obvio que en un cuerpo a cuerpo gana el astartes pero la diferencia no es tan grande como se explica en el video y la diferencia se hace incluso menor o nula en la media/larga distancia, por último algo que aclarar es que los marines de Starcraft son el equivalente de la guardia imperial en Warhammer al ser carne de cañon, los mas parecidos a los astartes que conozco (de lo poco que se) son los kelmorianos

[@user-je3sk8cj6g]

You can turn anyone into a Terran Marine. If both forces were equalized in terms of population and resources, you would have BILLIONS or TRILLIONS of Terran Marines swallowing the Space Marines. And like Stalin said, quantity is a quality of its own.

[@jovpal5685]

40k marine are better SC marines are disposable So if we let them fight now with the current settings it all comes down to who's logistics gets depleted 1st 40k marines bullets vs SC marines bodies Germany vs Soviet WW2 the Moscow campaign

[@ANDELE3025]

Invert. SC marines are better and far far more killy with basic gear. 40k marines can apparently be pooped out in millions with a new sucky profile with forced recruitment. Depleted uranium rounds vs cheap ceramics over steel skin that a hyena-croc can bite through to the point of bleeding.

[@246vili]

If the two face each other in an all out war, it'll really just be the classic quality vs. quantity. The Space Marines are better, as said here, BUT the terran marrines are way more easier and faster to replace. In a war of attrition, the terran marrines can have a good chance of winning.

[@itslife1399]

true, but space marines are used to fighting outnumbered. so if the battle ground is not the flat plains lmao then space marines will always win. regardless even if the terrain wins it'll be a pyrrhic victory tbh.

[@themedic4000]

Plus the empire of mankind is way bigger then the starcraft empire. So one planet has less astartes, yes... but if there are reinforcements from other legions then its goodnight.

[@jonahmorris6055]

@@themedic4000 also the imperium can just use any other asset. titan go brrrr

[@capadociaash8003]

@@itslife1399the Terran marines are also used to fighting better quality troops, they’ve fought the Protoss a lot

[@juanfisi]

Need to mention the starcraft's marine armor can be easilly mass produced, as the terran marine is the fodder of their respective army and not an elite unit perce. Numbers and logistics are on the terran marine's side if we talk specifically about these two units, not absolutelly a deal breaker but something to be considered. Think about Sherman tanks vs Panzers, Panthers and all the other big cat variants in ww2. Edit: also alsso, someone mentioned the gaus rifle can penetrate 2 inches of NEOsteel, which is a lot tougher. But we have no ide how much tougher it is.

[@aparioss1072]

Terran marines are equipped to punch above their weight. Fantasy/scify writings are fuzzy wth their specifics, so Idk how credible or consistent that 2inch vs 4 inch penetrations are, but Terran marine’s Gauss rifle can penetrate even capital ship plating, and they constantly fight against enemies more elite and physically powerful than they are. Their armor are light compared to who they fight against, but are designed to be a good platform for their rifles. 40k marines are elite that beat lesser enemies. They are equipped with extremely heavy armor, explosive weapons that beat those of lesser armor, and repeatedly come up against hordes of lesser enemies.

[@BobLazier-zk8gi]

The Terran marines would put up a fight but space marines would probably win in the end.. didn’t the imperium of man fight a similar faction in their own setting?? I don’t believe it would be a total stomp but a one vs one might.. unless that Terran marine is some sort of badass.. with armor made of plot.. I’d like to see a first or third person game where you play as a Terran marine tho.. I thought that would be cool ever since I saw StarCraft 2’s cinematics.

[@TheDemonOfSemen]

A common misconception, Starcraft was not originally a Warhammer 40K game, because 40K came AFTER Starcraft 1. If anything Warhammer was inspired by StarCraft

[@renatocorreaarrieche]

Some people says Starcraft would be a 40k game, but copyright issues made them create another universe

[@TheDemonOfSemen]

@@renatocorreaarrieche Some people are wrong, how do you think Flat Earth theory or Anti-Vaxers appeared 💀

[@Curiouzity_Omega]

Warhammer Space marine wins but imo MID-DIFF. Sometimes they lose to the most randomest sht ever and are very inconsistent at how strong they are. While the Terran space marine is mostly dependent on their equipment which are literally more efficient and just as powerful by design. Also Terran space marine are kind of smarter since they never try to fight close range and usually depend on attacking from afar unlike Warhammer space marines that will jump like some maniac into a horde of enemies even if they don't have to.

[@Scudboy17]

Think about who would win in a fight: a random criminal in jail, that has no military experience or a fully trainsd navy seal with years of experience. Starcraft marines are all convicted criminals conscripted into the military. While they do get some training, its not a lot and they all know thry are entirely expendable. They are 100% expendable, and they know it. Adeptus astartes spacemarines have decades, if not centuries, of experience fighting almost constantly. They are considered extremely elite troops that are only deployed in the most serious and intense war zones. Each space marine is worth a hundred other Imperium troops, if not more. They are not just highly motivated, they literally cannot feel fear and are 110% committed to winning their battles no matter the cost. The crininal vs navy seal comparison was not correct. Its more like a 12 year old kid given a .50 rifle being told he has to go fight an Abrams main battle tank that really REALLY hates him.

[@chengkuoklee5734]

Not all Terrans are random petty criminals. Many of them are professional proper trained personnel. By the way, there are also some extremely vicious criminals who undergone proper military training too. Never underestimate suicide squad.

[@Scudboy17]

@chengkuoklee5734 very true.

[@Taron_HaiTar]

​@@Scudboy17 Also there IS a thing in Starcraft universe, called Resocilisation (hope I spelled correctly), which supresses old memories and adds new ones, including FULL military training and study.

[@ANDELE3025]

Who has better chances, noble perfected by wearing a mail mesh and the best ceramic cosplay suit that chooses to shoot italian grenades out of a box instead of using the PLASMA GUN or FUCKING CHAINSWORD 80% of the time vs one criminal imprisoned for tax evasion given isekai browning with inc-demo rounds and aimbot gloves. Or in your comparison, the abrams is one of the plastic and clay dummies with a person inside that insists on not only playing knife ears but also paying GW full 130e for 20 year old models when their brother has a perfectly working 18-22 micron resin printer and the elusive 0.1 nozzle filament one at home.

[@vraciunaitro]

I like the terran suits way more as far as design goes.The spacemarine from warhammer has 80s disco pants lower leg armor , the shoulder pads are way too big for no reason , the backpack looks vulnerable when it could've been integrated in the suit better since it holds their power source for the suit and the helmet doesnt look futuristic but rather something troops on earth would wear.Both have the blue color which makes no sense at all , you would think futuristic spacesuits would have active camouflage but they dont for some reason.They also dont make use of their helmets display as much in the case of spacemarines , I mostly see them having no helmet while fighting.They could've introduced a mechanic to snap on/off the helmet as an extension of the bodysuit changing their vision to something more tactical.Having superhuman bio-mechanical men with regular vision makes no sense to me just like having both implants and bodysuit makes no sense the whole point of the tech is that it complements the skills of the marine so if the marine has been filled with cyborg implants why would he need a suit ?

[@eldesconocido669]

La razón del color de los trajes de los Marines Terran es simplemente el color de la unidad a la que pertenecen y, ya que todas las facciones Terran tienen sensores, IAs y robots, el camuflaje convencional es inútil mientras que la gama de colores del traje ayuda a reconocer a los aliados o la unidad a la que pertenecen. Por ejemplo, los marines Terran del Dominio tienen pintura roja, los de los rebeldes de Raynor tienen pintura azul, los de los piratas mercenarios de Mira Han tienen pintura rosada característica del cabello de la Mercenaria, las fuerzas de Umoja tienen pintura blanca y así sigue la cosa.

[@vraciunaitro]

​@@eldesconocido669 Active camouflage (not conventional) as in it changed based on the enviroment but also has cloaking (invisibility).Think they picked blue because the color represents Earth but still wish they took some notes from the Starcraft2 marines , they were better looking.Another thing about helmets in sci fi games is that they add no visual once they're on like their visors dont display tracking data , aiming vectors etc calculated by onboard a.i.They're deliberately weak when you can have a iron man / predator combo combat suit without the need of any body implants..Exo-skeleton body beneath to enhance movement , jumps , proper display hud and airbourne protection once the helmet is on , and atleast 2 backup weapons inside the suit like robocop (1 melee 1 ranged) while the main ones being energy based (so they dont run out of ammo) then later on they can add force fields or body-shields (like in Dune) for extra protection since they cant figure out where to hide their batteries or fusion cores besides in vulnerable spots without no protection.I would just have to shoot one of these super marines in their back dead center on their batteries and thats all it would take...

[@eldesconocido669]

@@vraciunaitro la verdad es que no. Si ves la historia de los Terran, te darás cuenta que los primeros en llegar al sector eran exiliados y convictos que fueron enviados a su suerte en una misión de colonización que salió mal y, mucho después, en la campaña de Starcraft Broodwar, los de la tierra vienen al sector a reclamar su soberanía sobre las colonias Terran (y más cosas de historia que se resumen en que las 3 razas del sector se unen para repelerlos). Los de la tierra tenían el negro como su color primario. Con respecto a lo que dijiste del camuflaje activo, como dije, la masiva cantidad de sensores hace que cualquier cosa que no sea directamente generar un campo que desvíe la luz al rededor de la unidad (que es lo que hacen todas las unidades que tienen la capacidad de volverse invisibles) es directamente inútil, por lo que algo como el camuflaje activo sería simplemente un estorbo y un derroche de presupuesto. Con respecto a lo que dices de las baterías, éstas están bastante bien resguardadas, de hecho. Están en la parte trasera del traje, siendo la parte más blindada del mismo ya que, como dijiste, serían un punto bastante vulnerable de otra maners. Respecto a lo que dices de los campos de fuerza, los trajes tienen un campo de fuerza personal que funciona como una película que desvía cualquier cosa que haga menos daño que un disparo de un rifle Gauss. Con respecto a lo que dijiste de las armas, los marines Terran están equipados con un rifle Gauss C-14 empalador, que es su arma principal, al cual se le suele poner una bayoneta retractil. Además, muchos tienen un arma secundaria el cuál es una pistola Gauss para combate en espacios angostos. Esto por no hablar de que el propio traje te da una fuerza sobrehumana y el Stimpack aumenta todos los sentidos, la velocidad y la agresividad temporalmente, volviendo al soldado en una máquina de matar. Y la razón de que el camuflaje de invisibilidad no pueda ser usado en la infantería es porque no es tan simple como cambiar de color, sino que al rededor de la estructura se debe de formar una película que distorsione la luz y haga que la misma rodee a la nave o individuo, lo cual consume muvha energía y es aparatoso. Por esto, en los Terran, está cualidad está reservada para las Banshees y para los fantasmas (quienes usan su poder psiónico para energizar el traje de entorno hostil que les permite volverse invisibles).

[@vraciunaitro]

@@eldesconocido669 Nice , didnt know the ones from earth were black.Still think active camo can be achieved in big airsealed suits like that , you just need to mimick the background by letting the light pass thru instead of deflecting.Having quantum dots connecting wirelessly on the suit exterior ,using the space between them to project the same amount of light as if the suit was not there using a.i to maintain the mimicry of the background (atleast in stationary position at first).Infantry maybe it would be costly but lets say for sniping , having a cloaked sniper with undetectable shots would be pretty good I think , not having to change position after the initial shots because you gave away the position but actually staying still and picking calculated shots while watching the targets.Infantry can have something like an electric fence effect on the suit or something to punish melee attackers.

[@eldesconocido669]

@@vraciunaitro Los francotiradores son los fantasmas. Expertos en asesinato e infiltración, que son los que tienen camuflaje de invisibilidad.

[@disgruntledtoons]

Like any other SF match-up the winner is the one who gets the most passes on the laws of nature.

[@kgunslinger]

The Zerg shows a picture of Protoss. The Protoss shows a picture of idk what not even Zerg videos off to a great start in under a minute also I’m pretty sure the cnc 300 can block 50 cal just fine

[@fabianseewald7884]

space marines are hard to train and recruitment is also difficult they need to be equipt wich is also a huge investment for spacemarines, terran marines are basic soldiers and disposable, it is very possible that terran marines outnumber spacemarines substantially

[@Titanic_Tuna]

I'm not a fan of SC, and haven't yet played any of them. From many of the details provided by other comments there seems to be a large amount of significant information regarding the Terran Marines and their weapons that you may have unintentionally either ommited or misrepresented. Having just binged through a few of your other versus battles I have seen the same thing occur. I'm sure you don't have all day to research this stuff, and you probably are not being malicious but it seems that the degree to which you research the other settings involved is quite frankly lacking. Perhaps a longer video format with more well researched information would benefit you more. Having biases is fine, we all have them afterall, though it seems that a lot of viewers are perceiving your versus battles as being incompetently put together.

[@evernewb2073]

the dude didn't so much as read the frieking wiki page about the marine, you don't need to try to be polite to the channel author here. they aren't much better on the 40k side as near as I can tell but that is likely more a result of 40k being hilariously inconsistent whenever it gives numbers than them being intentionally misleading like they were with the Terrans...I wonder if someone who actually knows their 40k stuff could pin down what sources they are pulling from (if any) based on what claims they are making: no two things 40k related seem to agree so it could definitely be done with research and I honestly think a proper nerd would have a chance of doing it off the top of their head.

[@squirrel6687]

Terran helmets lack compared to Astartes' leaving an obvious target. The rate of fire of the Terran weapon is so much higher and would do cumulative damage with one squeeze of the trigger.

[@Warhorse469]

you clearly haven't seen the fan-made video called Astartes if you think the fire rate of C-14 is higher then an Astartes MK Vb Godwyn bolter.

[@eldesconocido669]

​@@Warhorse469 70 rondas por segundo y capacidad para llevar hasta 600 rondas de munición.

[@umgakwarhammster4191]

​@@Warhorse469terran c-14 shoots 1500rpm and have 500 capacity mag, while bolter have something about 500-600 rpm and 30 round mag, so yea bolter is way slower than c-14

[@heliosjollywolf9552]

@@Warhorse469 well yeah mainly because in a fair comaprison it wouldnt be 1v1 but 1 v 1K since the astartes is an elite super soldier and the starcraft marine is basically the equivalent of imperial guard... space marine loses

[@evernewb2073]

Hell, spacemarines loose to equivalent-production-capacity worth of _guardsmen_ most of the time (that's why the army is mostly *guard* not mostly wankmarines) and compared to The Imperium your average Terran faction can churn out "Marine" CMC200/300/400 suits complete with the training to use them for less than the equivalent production cost of a peasant's rags in the imperium because they just plain function on completely different social structures and tech bases, case in point the imperium actually _has_ peasants wearing rags where that would be seen as an egregious waste of resources and crippling loss of production even in Mengsk's "keep them too poor and too stupid to rebel" empire. A spacemarine is cripplingly expensive and only makes _any_ sense as a special operations unit where something absolutely needs to get done and they can't send a large group, Ghosts are a more fair comparison point than Marines but even Ghosts are a miniscule fraction of the cost of a spacemarine. To be fair to The Imperium they don't actually make all that many more of these guys than they can find important duties to throw 'em at and those important duties usually consist of being leaders and figureheads. ←clarification: that sounds bad but those are actually rather important high-return-of-investment duties for them especially since the imperium doesn't appear to have a whole lot of _other_ leadership with even the faintest shred of competency...that said it is *ALSO* fair to say that this is likely due to them being executed for "treason" at the first sign of rational thought sooo, yeah, The Imperium is still The Idiocracy Of Man.

[@Ynaddana]

Imagine a guardsman in a mechanical battle suit. The Space Marines will be defeated

[@só.renato]

If you want a real fight, do umojan marine vs space marines

[@naoway336]

So I haven't finished the video but the very first problem that I noticed is SC Humans are not normal Humans, And the ones that go into the power armor are even less so. Second issue now is the armor discussion, Terran armor can survive nuclear bombs in lore, then goes on to talk about the black carapace as if the Terran marines didn't have something similar while showing in the video the neural inputs on Tychus, also massively down plays the usefulness of the Adjutent tech but at this stage it's pretty obvious the bias here, The Space marines are getting 5x the amount of video time and discussion. Wow so the video doesn't believe teh Terran armor protects against 50 cal weapons... but in lore the armor has withstood antimatter shots. Yeah this seems like a joke so far I like how it goes on to explain how a Space marine is one with a suit while not udnerstanding the a Terran Marine is one with their suit, the rifle and the whole rest of the army. Also ignoring the Much higher armored version of the terran units as if they were the same thing is crazy, also laughing at flame throwers with regard to space marines as if the Salamanders didn't exist.. Jesus this video was terrible.

[@JustARandomDudeIGuess]

All fun and games untill the scvs build a starport in a mainly ground battle

[@jonahmorris6055]

the emperiums main ships are all capable of exterminating planets with one salvo

[@Nealetony]

I like the scientific approach. Its killing prowess to the max....max of what?

[@stalkerstalker3754]

You, sadly, forgot about power and chain swords (terran marines have very limited close quaters options). And space marines (warhammer) tend to die to mass lassgun fire, so its not that their armor have same lvl of protection in all places, so i would argue that Impaler with its high rate of fire should have at least find some weakspots like joints, vision slits ect. You should also mention that 40k marines tend to carry wide array of special weapons, terran marines lack in this deparment. Firebats and maruders fill in this role, but this is video about baseline marines, so no terminators or intercessors for Imperial lads too. In 1v1 fight i would bet my money on Imperial marine 10/10 times, but in army clash, with significantly bigger numbers on terran marine side it would be much more balanced.

[@forsensmotd6795]

Space marine looking down at an average terran : "Oh no, poor thing, look at you... did you try to look manly ?"

[@Ghosty_girl1103]

A standard space marine gun is like an automatic railgun

[@Bahamutza]

What if every Astra Militarum use power suit like Terran Marine ? The war could have gone better than this.

[@PichKhun]

Still, the CMC PA is more badass and realistic. No hate on the Astartes PA, but the CMC suit is probably the closest PA that we can produce in the real world. All in all, if for authenticity, CMC Terran PA wins; On the other hand, for fantasy and fictional world, the Astartes PA wins. I like the both for their own unique development and characteristics.

[@Matthew209100New]

hope they make a death battle video on these 2

[@That.AsianDude]

Our blueberry boys are in a different class to every sci-fi fiction soldiers out there 😂

[@crewcutter2030]

Wrong comparison, SC marine are grunt units comparable to guardsmen not the spacemarines. Ghost and specters are more closer to spacemarines as theyre both could be considered spec ops.

[@WarlordBailthur]

If it is just Warhammer space marines vs Starcrat Space Marines the warhammer soldiers will bring the win every time. Especially if the numbers are even. But thats not how war works. While the warhammer series would hold a strong advantage with their Chapters and mechs they would suffer in logistics and numbers. Starcraft terrans would rip through guardsmen like butter. And while the warhammer marines and their mechs would halt any initial advances, the Terrans would be able to field more mechs more often and do not hesitate with the use of battleships and even nukes on planetside. The warhammer series has stronger units and mechs as their elites, but that is not the bulk of their armies.

[@Kammina23]

They wouldn't win against guardsmen necessary, they may have better gun but the guard has more men and better support, the battle will be mostly an artillery duel and an armored clash, infantry is not going to play a major role. At the end of the day, the IoM is going to have space supremacy and could provide orbital bombardment as support as well. And if a Titan Legion is deployed things will get ugly.

[@WarlordBailthur]

@@Kammina23 @Kammina23 idk about better support. Terrans would employ siege tanks, valkeries, battlecruisers, and likely ghosts to engage commanders and drop nukes on heavily fortified positions. I am under no illusion that the terrans would struggle with the elite units especially the mechs. However terrans have a "true" warp capability and can bring in reinforcements much faster without having to worry about negative side effects. If an elite unit is dealt with the replenishment rate isnt the best for high tiered units. Allowing easier progression. Do note the use of the word "if" And lets be honest the empire could just glass the planet as the terrans have no such weaponry or counters to it but...does anyone win at that point?

[@Kammina23]

@@WarlordBailthur Better support because they have more of it and more variety (mainly because they sell figures and therefore they have a lot of variants). The Imperial Guard has plenty of tanks like Leman Russ, Rogal Dorn and Baneblade to deal with Terran armored units, they also have good air support with Valkyrie drop-ship and marauder bomber. They also have assassins and special forces capable of assault behind enemy lines and of targeting the command structure. As for nukes, I am pretty sure the Imperium has those as well like they used on Krieg to destroy most of the traitor. My point is that anything Terran have the Imperium has as well and in greater quantity. The Warp could be an issue, but it's not like the Imperium isn't used to this kind of problem already. Also I don't see how Terran can bring reinforcement if the Imperial Navy makes a blockade, they will have to fight their way through a blockade for that and they will suffer heavy losses doing so and may not even make landfall. I honestly don't know about Terran fleet but can they really challenge the Imperial Navy?

[@WarlordBailthur]

@@Kammina23 you raise valid points but i feel we are imagining different scenarios. A simple note that the attacking force will always be at a disadvantage and suffer much higher casualties then the defender. If you arnt bringing a 3 to 1 advantage in numbers then you might as well not bother. If the terrans where attacking a heavily defended world where a blockade was already in place by the imperial navy i can't see them even attempting it without proper planning on warp schedules for their fleets. As the starcraft warp is much more stable and predictable, vs its imperial counterpart. Even with the advantages of numbers and logistics i dont know if the terrans could punch through an imperial navy. But if they played to their advantage and launched suprise invasions I could certainly see them taking out the planets defenders and handling most reinforcements as they come in as they wouldn't all arrive at once. To me it would be holding the world that would be most difficult for terrans. Even if they take out the current defenders and the immediate reinforcements I imagine the counter attack would be too much for the remaining terran forces

[@henryhamilton4087]

Here's the problem : To field one single space marine, you'd require the GDP of a planet and about a century to select and groom a candidate from a mortal, to Neophyte, to an Astartes, and after that, perhaps decades or centuries more worth of experience to turn him into the ultimate killing machine. A Terran Marine requires only 50 minerals, a convict or other willing individual that's reasonably trained and brave, and a matter of minutes if not seconds... A small base can pump out dozens or even hundreds in a matter of minutes given enough production structures and resources. In a one on one, a Space Marine will win hands down. But as a fighting force? Give me Terran Marines any day of the week.

[@DagothUr69]

SC marines>Astartes any day. Having countless cheap cadians with equipment just shy of astartes(gauss rifle> bolter) is much better than one blueberry that costs an entire worlds GDP, that dies just as easily to a gernade, or a slice of a zealot’s blade

[@thehippie3610]

But you didnt calculate the fact Terran Marines are basicaly the Militarium in power armor. Space Marines are BETTER. But Terran Marines have MILLIONS of foot soldiers 😂 Space Marine wont survive 3000 spikes in 3 seconds 😂

[@tryme1828]

Ok lets compare an entire space marine chapter the biggest vs the terran fleet

[@maddogs1989]

90% of what you say in this video about CMC armor is flat out wrong. A .50cal will do nothing to it. Its designed to be hit by 8mm hypersonic rounds from .50cal casing. By the way a .50cal is considered small arms by military definition. The CMC armor isnt restricted to the wearers speed. It is infact actual power armor the user has the suits capabilities. It is not an augmented power armor suit. As in it doesnt increase the users individual strength, the CMC armor provides the Strength and Speed to the user. Further a .50cal can penetrate 2 inches of steel. It depends on the round and the distance you are talking about. Generally speaking these stats are given at a maximum effective range. And Yes I put the C14 through a shooting calculator and wrote a whole post on space battles on the reality of the C14's capabilities. I have been an infantryman for 17 years and firearms are a specialty. In this case the C14 would penetrate 2 inches of steel at 1500m, have a maximum effective range on a point target at over 2000m and a maximum effective range on an area target at over 4000m, with a maximum range of 6000m

[@nitokagaminen9660]

c14 rifle can punch through 2 inch of steel, there are mistake here, they mean neosteel not normal steel, that shit harder x10 normal steel my guy

[@christopheranderson2769]

Anyone who plays star craft knows that marines are cheaper than zealots but you also get like 5 marines for the price of a single zealot and that is a more accurate comparison for 40k vs star craft marines. The marine is the toyota camry of Star Craft. Its not anywhere as good as a Benz but you can buy like 30 camrys for the cost of a single Buggati and we all know they are just early game and become junk after you get siege tanks. The end game marine stays in a bunker.

[@Noble_One]

Tarren marines still look better than toy model kit look of space marines in warhammer.

[@TheKingOfBears.]

Are we just going to ignore the fact that human population in Warhammer 40k vastly outnumbers that of StarCraft? There is absolutely no conceivable way a Marine or the Terran win in either a 1v1 or a full-scale conflict. Astartes are literal super-human mutants with super powers. If its a 1v1 a standard Marine has no chance, maybe under specific circumstances a Marine could kill an Astartes but 9 times out of 10 Astartes wins. If its a full-scale conflict its not even a debate. From what I've seen, people's estimates for the human population in StarCraft is anywhere from 15 billion to 100 billion. Even if we go with the generous estimate of 100 billion, Warhammer 40k has literal trillions of guardsmen which have fought against planet-destroying forces and have won. The Marines/Terran would not even get to fight Astartes as they would not be considered a significant enough threat.

[@drakolobo]

Astarte run doble in speed but weight half that a terran amor. gauss rifle did not go through common steel but 2 inches of steel plating

[@Slayer-3666]

The rifle of the StarCraft marine wins the day.

[@Marlax-101]

Been a while since i played starcraft and i know a general amount about warhammer. However what i would consider here is that SC marines are fodder, they are endless masses while the warhammer marines as stated are elite bred and many die during surgery. The marines in warhammer get overran by tyranids among other creatures so its not exactly cut and dry. even if the SC marines only pierce 2in of steel vs the WH marines 4in rounds you are talking about waves of marines shooting bullets rapid fire at your elite few. eventually something will give out on that armor. and having more numbers give your more tactical options in a battle. even if the elite marines are master tacticians.

[@vake1234]

would say, the Marine win! ;p

[@Greywolf905]

I'm sorry, did you say a 9mm depleted uranium spike at 1500 meters per second can only penetrate 2 inches of Steel? I'm sorry, but that thing isn't stopping for anything. it absolutely will go strait thought the space marines armor with 0 difficulty. in fact, I doubt any modern tanks could stop that round. hell, a carrier or battleship would struggle to stop that round.

[@erikbouchard6539]

Depends.. that's not entirely how ballistics works. Both these guys have curved armor. Deflection is entirely possible with thick armor.

[@Greywolf905]

@@erikbouchard6539 they same applies tp the bolter. but not all of their armor is angled. as described the assumption is that 2 inches is the max thickness it can penetrate. there is no way that is the max penetration of that gun.

[@skarath]

The 40K Universe is the Epitome of Overpowerment.

[@shovel662]

From the comments + video: TM and SM rifles would penetrate the other’s armor. Terran Marine armor is comparable to Space Marine. Terran marines are way easier to replace. Space marines are biologically superior and have far more experience. In a 1v1, or even a single engagement, the space marines stomp, albeit with heavier casualties than usual. In a campaign, it’s a slow death for the chapter unless they are supported by sisters or overwhelming numbers of guardsmen.

[@lkdominator4088]

warhammer is one of those universes whre lore is so inconsistent with small details that you can smudge it a bit to match any situation. if you take the right book Castodies can loose a armwresleing contest against a space marine, just because the author

[@LeAlejx]

Terran marine is just a guy in a suit Astartes are actual mutans with super powers Space marines win every time

[@Taron_HaiTar]

In my (most likely unneeded) opinion, more like 9/10. The chances are higher for Terran marine if he decides to go full-auto (and probably almost always he would, because he WOULD die if he don't try it), likely ripping Astartes to slag, as firerate of C-14 "Gauss" rifle are comparable to A-10 Warthog gattling canon with force comparable to Tau infrantry railgun. The only downsides of this strategy are uncontrollable fire after 1-3 seconds and it likely RIPS Terran marine's ARM OFF (even with stim and armor overcloak).

[@chengkuoklee5734]

It's very costly to replace a lost space marine, but it's pretty fast to replace a Terran marine. Mind you, in war we don't rely on "the best"; we need 'good enough', preferable with large numbers.

[@Taron_HaiTar]

@@chengkuoklee5734 I agree. I didn't watch this video yet, so I don't know if it's 1vs1 or in general comparasion. If it's 1vs1, then of course in most cases Astartes wins. But not in ALL cases, as C-14 is a powerfull beauty of a gun (that honestly would fit Astartes VERY well), that often passes unnoticed or (by the lack of knowledge) just seems like "big gun for power armor", absolutly downplaying it's power. Also CMC-series of power armor is a good frickin' armor, especially when paired with combat shield (and stimpacks too!), even if it's not as protective as Astartes power armor (in my opinion, not by much even).

[@Taron_HaiTar]

​​​@@chengkuoklee5734 I watched the video... Astartes are inconsistent as the Warp itself and author takes much higher standarts, than average. Also (if I remember correctly) Firebats have PLASMA FLAMETHROWERS, ASTARTES CAN DIE FROM A LESSER FLAMETHROWER, THE FUCK HE MEANS "Astartes won't die from flamethrower, lol", he didn't go far enough for both universes! (Also Firebat is another unit, so he shouldn't even mentioned it!)

[@erikbouchard6539]

​@@Taron_HaiTarproblem here is hitting the target right. SM being basically non-human in skill and reflex are like the best human snipers ever, whole basically running full speed... Which for them is like 40-50mph minimum. Idk all the lore involving a terran marine. But how accurate are they? How are their reflexes? Most modern day soldiers aren't very accurate at any real distances with their rifles.

[@xisigma]

Never impressed by the bolter: 30 rounds then you're just a swordsman. Necrons have unlimited ammo? No wonder the tyranids are winning.

[@pmj1554]

The Marines of the Terran faction in StarCraft are similar to Space Marines in that they wear heavy armor and carry large guns, but their position is actually closer to that of a Guardsman in Warhammer 40K. With the exception of the lightly armored infantry, which only exists in the setting, they're on the front lines, fighting alien armies armed with more powerful technology than they have, or dying in swarms of hundreds of millions of bug monsters. They're not genetically enhanced humans, their titanium alloy armor is simply torn apart by powerful alien attacks, and alien warriors armed with armor made of giant monsters or far superior technology can only be brought down by massive concentrated fire... The only saving grace is that the marine side of the Terran faction is more productive. They can draft commoners and turn them into soldiers, and their CMC battlesuits and gauss rifles can be churned out by their mega-military corporations, but their Space Marines' power armor is still over 10,000 years old, and it takes decades to produce a single suit on a forge world. Considering the number of recruits dying while being implanted with jinseed and carapace armor, the total population of the Human Empire is over a thousand trillion, so we're lucky to have close to 100,000 Space Marines, and if we were a normal interstellar empire, we'd struggle to roll a few chapters.

[@nodrogstengrad4782]

Presses X to doubt. Reason: Space Marines take more time to replace then a Terran Marine (both in terms of training and equipment). Plus they get blasted by Lasguns and Flamers quite often and succumb to that stuff… I am also pretty sure Terran Marines have a wider selection of weapons available to a Space Marine. If it was Death Watch, I would say Yes you are absolutely correct. If in melee, again, absolutely correct. Out of armor, again, correct. But if a Terran Marine can get their hands on explosive grenades taking out what is basically a Carnifex and hordes of Zerg as well as Zealots before they reach them and it’s a numbers game… pretty sure the Terran Marine will win in those two regards. They have the numbers and logistics over the space marines. Plus can replace their losses far faster then a Space Marine Chapter can. Rule of cool doesn’t always translate that they can always win. Also let’s face it, they won’t bother sending more then 1 chapter thinking about your points and then get blasted for underestimating them by not considering the logistics and what they face on the daily, which is essentially Tyranids and Eldar, not to mention each other. There are things the space marines would win ag against them and there are things the Terran Marines would win at. It’s a lot more like it would be a tough fight then a one sided slaughter.

[@chengkuoklee5734]

Starcraft Terran has alien friends; Warhammer human has A LOT of alien enemies. I always believe in power of friendship.

[@ANDELE3025]

Wouldnt call the Roach (nor Lurker) quite Carni (hydralisks did get nerfed to distractionfex levels but even HKs were more warrior+/elusive fully buffed up rav or lictor profile/efw5-6 t4), maybe if they had some old brood variants. Just to remind, old ultralisk was un-hosted dominatrix/hierodule, brood/unique variant and sc2 lisks are outright small to pre warlord titan scale hierophant equivalents.

[@itslife1399]

The standard issue laser rifle (the flashlight lol) the guardsmen uses that'll rip off ligaments etc can barely put a scratch (probably not) to a space marine's armor. Even if there were 10s of laser rifles shooting at the armor continuously. so it'll have to be more powerful than the standard issue laser rifle to even do damage to armor. Also space marines can succumb (although hard) to flame weapons, but just remember there's a chapter of space marines who love fire lol plus while it may not do anything to the armor specifically it'll do damage to the joints of the armor where it's most vulnerable. keep in mind that the fire weapons in 40k are hotter. Now about the numbers I agree. Even with all the chapters combined it'll be a quantity vs Quality type of battle. Possibly would be a pyrrhic victory for the terrain. Especially if we implement the psykers and if we include the space marines elite branches like custodies, Terminators etc and don't forget the primearchs for each chapter. Also the new gen space marines which are the primaris space marines. which are bigger, stronger, and faster than a regular space marine. Definitely more pyrrhic for sure if it was just a ground battle. no space ships or artillery etc. Still tho there's at least a million of space marines. which is more than enough to take on the terrain marines. regardless if we just do a all vs all which highly illogical battle lol terrain will win on numbers alone. if it's more strategical/tactical the space marines will win. Space Marines are used to being put into a battle where they're outnumbered.

[@ANDELE3025]

@@itslife1399 1) Lasrifles have killed marines through Armor (and thats ignoring how primaris marines downgraded in armor quality both canonically and on tabletop), from Creed and Gaunt to literal whos from DH, DI, RT, etc. Often with less than 5 hits. 2) Terran gauss boys work like eldar shuriken guns wish they could and how bolters can only dream of (remember, heresy era heavy bolter cant breach fucking enlightenement era built euro castle walls aka fucking average .7m of rock and only chars it on detonation and merely sends gravel from the mountainside flying into the air as far as the imperial palace/himalayas go, while the 30 rps of the SC marines may overpenetrate flesh but shreds through anything but living metal level upgrades on vehicles and reifnorcements that otherwise have SAE 350 grade steel (aka the most generous equivalent material for the larger and quest IKs and imperial titan plating). Except for C'tan and Primarch+ level threats (and even in universe questioned if it still works weapons like the Orrery) 40k loses to pretty much every single science-fiction (or science-fantasy if you will) setting by feats alone except for post republic era Star Wars due to GW not understanding how physics and numbers work (except for increasing prices).

[@nitokagaminen9660]

space marine vs terran marine like a pro fps vs chinese hacker, i believes in human vs human gun fight terran marine hit rate are 100% and they don't need to see enemy to shot, they just punch hole throught every singel wall thanks for their scan & aim assist system, mean while good luck for space marine can doing that

[@earthtothe9791]

StarCraft vs regular imperium solider on even number, StarCraft win. On elite force , only Protoss can handle space marine. In the game process warrior are showed severely nerfed to even out the power balance between other two fraction.

[@dannyruggles7020]

No matter what, if not for 40k, SC would not exist

[@joshoconnor6684]

I actually like starcraft more but a space marine would obviously win. In starcraft the marine unit is the cheapest and first unit you can get.

[@kentinson1670]

I'm no 40k fan but I'm 100% on the Space Marine's side. The Terran Marines are basically if the Imperium actually provided decent armoring to the guardsmen

[@youraveragescotsman7119]

And gave the Imperial Guard an unironically HORRIFYING rifle. Seriously, realistic ballistics shows that the scaling for the C-14 ranges, based on the hypersonic speed, from 4+ .50 cals up to a 30mm GAU-8.

[@Curiouzity_Omega]

If they did arm guardsmen like the Terrans did they would solo the entire galaxy already. That's like the most basic unit in Starcraft and is already competing with the elite units in Warhammer.

[@ToniLaBenc]

its clear, in a war, the terrans would have a chance, cause they are countless, but 1vs1 with basic equip, the terran will lose for sure.

[@Warhorse469]

"It's crystal clear that one Terran Marine is no match for a Space Marine. Comparing them is like comparing an ant to a human. Even though the Terran Marines are equipped with the powerful C-14 Gauss rifle, it's useless against the Space Marines' hardened ceramite armor. It's conclusive that Terran Marines are outclassed in every aspect when compared to Space Marines."

[@umgakwarhammster4191]

It is not prox speed of c-14 gauss rifle is hypersonic speed 1500m/s while bolter have 396 m/s +-, and gauss rifle have 500 round mag and shoots 1500rpm while bolter have only 30 rounds

[@drakolobo]

Ceramic is good against heat weapons, not hypersonic weapons.

[@sensha5470]

Terran marines are more like guardsmen tbh. They win with numbers and bullshit, not power.

[@nes819]

1 on 1 the spacemarine winns flat out. Shocker... teran marine weapons would definetly struggle against spacemarine armor, but they would still have some effect. Aspecialy at the unavoidible weaker spotts. In a fight where the same effort (vallue of time, materials and droppouts) is spent, the spacemarine drowns in a sea of boddys taking countless insignificant hitts befor they fall under the swarm.

[@turikazurikaz6730]

The Terran Dominion is quite small on a galactic scale however. There is a chance there is a similar number of Marines total as terran Marines or at the very least that they arent horrifically outnumbered.

[@nes819]

@@turikazurikaz6730 You are right. Iff it comes to scale 40K turns everything else into an antfarm. The comparison does have one flaw that changes things drasticaly I think. We scale our weapons for effect. Dominion troops have weapons wich are efective on a Starcraft scale. Iff they were to face 40K threats, their gear would adapt aswell.

[@turikazurikaz6730]

@@nes819 That is true. Something like Star Wars Legends has a similar size in terms of numbers to 40k.

[@eldesconocido669]

Creo que hay algo que no has tomado en cuenta y es que los Terran ya han enfrentado amenazas de escala galáctica. Recordemos que los Terran, Zerg y Protos entraron a los dominios de los dioses del universo y lograron matarlo a él y a sus fuerzas.

[@nes819]

@@eldesconocido669 I'd love to argue back. Sadly I don't speak... spanish? Poroguise? ... I know it's not french.

[@flamerollerx01]

Not a big fan of 40k (though I do like it) and a big fan of starcraft, I do have to admit that terran marines get their asses absolutely handed to them. It's not even a contest. Warhammer is just ridiculous that way. Literally everything in warhammer is absurd.

[@armando.vanravn]

Comparing super soldiers to grunts?. Not quite fair.

[@assumeds6372]

Comparing those two is pointless, Space marine are elite fighting force, while terrain marine is just regular soldier for Terran Dominion. If you wanna make that comparison accurate. Rate imperial guard with terran marine, and space marine with ghosts from sc2. Then you will compare similar units.

[@naoway336]

Kinda disagree. But also it depends on the load outs does the marine get his stimpack and combat shield? If so then I think it's pretty much 1 to 1. The major advantage the wh spacemarine has is in his mobility his melee combat proficiency and his armors durability. Conversely the Terran Marine is more accurate and has better fire power. Using A.I. to triangulate attacks and a gun that fires way faster, and from a further range. You add the big combat shields in you make up for durability add the stimpacks in you make up for mobility. The big thing I keep seeing pop up over and over again is that Terran Spacemarines are "just" human. That is not accurate. When the government preceding the UED took over the human earth and its many colonies they made a point to round up every human cyborg and execute them. Now, every human in StarCraft has psionic power that's just their base line. At the time this pre UED government decided the ones particularly good at it who were among the cyborgs should be exhumed for a new colony project. Those are the people that ended up in Kepulu a bunch of psychic cyborg humans every last one of them. These policies were eventually changed once the UED became the leading government.