The Dichotomy of the Shroomite Helmet

The Dichotomy of the Shroomite Helmet
thank you to ‪@baconfry‬ for fleshing out the initial idea
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:07 The first bit: multiplicativity
1:32 The second bit: weapons-only boosts
2:08 Can the second bit make the Shroomite Helmet worse?
2:21 An example of the Helmet being bad: rockets
3:27 How about the Headgear and Mask?
3:49 Conclusions and stuff
5:18 Outro
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The Dichotomy of the Shroomite Helmet

[@Terraw]

Note: the two complete exceptions to this rule are the Pirahna Gun and Elf Melter, which take no damaging ammo! And yes, all of this is rather nitpicky and small - just a few to maybe several percentage points here and there. But, why would you craft a helmet that’s worse at boosting and only boosts certain things instead of all things? Note: at 2:12, I show the total damage being less when I equip the Shroomite Helmet. Most of the time your “shown” damage will be higher with the Shroomite setup no matter what, but the 5% crit chance the Adamantite Mask has over the Shroomite headpieces makes a big difference

[@chainsawplayin]

3:40 DPS stands for "damage per second"

[@andreduval9074]

I like the new pfp terra

[@eg_Fishlord]

and what about flamethrower or toxicarp

[@Popcorn_Pillow]

Based storm hud user

[@sotenandoM]

I would add the flamethrowers to the exception as well, since the ammo they use is gel. Because the gel has no damage by itself, the ammo gives no boost to the flamethrowers.

[@wabbledee5229]

people who combine armor from different sets scare me

[@JoseLucasd]

Well, i thought that too, but this video changed it.

[@asherbeck4001]

@@JoseLucasd to be fair its very meta for alot of things it just feels dirty and criminal

[@JoseLucasd]

@@asherbeck4001 yeah. Some years ago ive used "that" melee armor with cloro helm, hollow chest and turtle boots and dear god, this thing was insane, and it keeps insane. Althought i was having shivers from this bc my ocd hits hard.

[@Gnurklesquimp2]

It adds a welcome layer to build variety imo. On the surface it's simple so easy to get into and be effective

[@confusedingeneral6073]

I want enough defense to eat a rock without taking damage

[@KittiestKitty]

What about the piranha gun? It doesn't use ammo meaning it's weapon damage to ammo damage ratio is the same as the elf melter's, and it's the only weapon where shroomite armor's stealth set bonus can be consistently usefull against bosses in single player, because the piranhas' damage remains unchanges after being fired. Making it the perfect weapon for the shroomite armor with the helm

[@Terraw]

Seems like that slipped my mind. You are right.

[@jonahcraft7]

It has an use for the piranha gun and paintball gun but no use the paintball gun it sucks

[@lahiruerangafile]

That's a helpful tip about piranha gun

[@XZANEOUS]

That is an incredible idea. I really never use the Piranha gun for reasons. But this advice actually makes me really want to use it.

[@egekahraman8985]

wait if the damage of the piranha gun doesnt change you can just have two loadouts, one being way too tanky and the other focusing on ranged dps, and switch between them to be as tanky as melee but as powerful as ranged

[@briishcabbage568]

Counterpoint: The helmet is bloody stylish.

[@ambi_cc8464]

vanity exist for a reason lmao

[@sparklyjuicejuice]

Counter counter point: the funky teal squares to the left of your armor slots

[@EdibleREAL]

@@sparklyjuicejuicecounter counter counter point: you get no defense from equipping in that slot

[@seandoroja907]

​@@EdibleREALCounter counter counter counter point: It still looks bloody stylish

[@user-jy8np7zx3z]

also, Meet the Elf Melter Pyro

[@Shyguymask]

I didn't know ammo damage wasn't affected by the boost. That makes Shroomite armor even more mid than I thought.

[@JoseLucasd]

Why it was alr mid

[@10503.]

@@JoseLucasdProbably the fact that it has less crit chance than the helmet before it and the set bonus is pretty pointless

[@JoseLucasd]

@@10503. Make sense

[@NotCrowded]

@@JoseLucasd its just very boring compared to previous armours like palladium or orichalcum, or even chlorophyte

[@Shyguymask]

@@JoseLucasd Bad set bonus

[@ClonedGamer001]

It's also worth noting that using shroomite locks you into one type of ranged weapon. With the adamantite headgear you can freely switch between a bow, a gun, and a launcher and the helmet will always provide its buff, same can't be said for shroomite.

[@Gnurklesquimp2]

That's always been my gripe before even considering how good it is at what it does, swapping is half the fun for me. More sets like frost and forbidden and more sets with generic dmg and crit would be awesome. I also love utility effects like shroomite, chlorophyte, orichalcum etc

[@zlaggaming68]

This makes me wish for a mod that gives shroomite headwear a flat ammo damage increase to counteract this.

[@somedude4087]

also consistency in what ammo is or isn't boosted

[@somepersonyouhavenoassocia1856]

Counterargument: The helmet, when dyed black, looks like the Lethal Company helmet, and thus instantly funny

[@bloomscreen]

I didnt actually realize that 😳

[@DreamyAileen]

um ackshually the Lethal Company helmet looks like the Shroomite Helmet dyed black 🤓

[@echo5172]

You're so real for this

[@Tyrian3k]

So use it as a vanity? Don't get your point, really.

[@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad]

Lethal company? The guy from fortnite?

[@just_a_guy_557]

Tbh, I don't really use rocket launchers, darts, and whatever else doesn't shoot arrows and bullets but I still use things like the flamethrower to clear out crowds/events mid to late game, with the helmet being near the endgame, and the main weapons are the pillar weapons, chain gun, tsunami, ect, it's just not that useful.

[@neosiah8654]

In my recent ranger play through I found the snowman cannon to be an absolute powerhouse, even against single targets The innate homing is nice too Besides that tho the nail gun and stinger are fun I think

[@paweswierczek6265]

Snowball cannon launcher and electrosphere are really good in comparison to other weapons

[@theonlyshinyumbreon]

The snowman cannon is unironically one of the best ranger weapons for moonlord

[@axlthedragon2701]

I will say, as a player who's doing a Calamity Flamethrowers Only run, it's really neat that I get to ignore all of these intricacies

[@gamingzeraora443]

fr, now i understand why my terraflameburster seemed to do so well against blossom flux and snowman cannon....those 2 have all their damage in the ammo

[@KwikBR]

i had never used a flamethrower with 1,600 hours in the base game going into my first full calamity run, as soon as i got the one from WOF i instantly switched to flamethrower only

[@gamingzeraora443]

@@KwikBR terraflameburster carries till pre moonlord

[@KwikBR]

@@gamingzeraora443 it absolutely did

[@gamingzeraora443]

@@KwikBR I quit the run after post moonlord, too repetitive since they removed dogs sentinels during the fight and yharon healing all his hp..

[@jakobgallegos1308]

bro it’s 2 am. i have school in the morning. what am i doing here I DONT EVEN PLAY RANGER

[@dacrystalcreeper7300]

I will always love how original your videos are, thank you for the high quality content!

[@quadzers5703]

One thing to note is that the shroomite set bonus can be helpful in multiplayer where you can get a chance to stand still. In my recent play through with my friends I used no armor but just for tests i would see how long I could stand still while my melee friend had all the agro. I felt like if I had been using armor I would have got a ton of mileage throughout that point in the game with the only exceptions being empress and moonlord.

[@BennyCocoPop]

another reason to continue using only Hallowed Armor until Moonlord as a ranger lol

[@notsobadbones]

Or Red Riding set, which is just better damage-wise than any of the other ranged armor set.

[@damnthisisabadname]

Shroomite is still better

[@Galm1Cipher_]

​@@damnthisisabadnamein terms of defense yes

[@intensedabberoniJG]

More ranger videos plz. Clicked on this video for the title alone and got so excited when I realized it was a terrasteel video. Always enjoy ur stuff and you have an amazing intuition for math, physics, and statistics for your age.

[@roboxenogaming2047]

You know it gets seriuos when Desmos gets involved.

[@gablink5190]

How cool of you to post this after i finish my specialist ranger run. I didnt use rockets that run, but after being slapped by the moon lord a few times, i was heavily considering.

[@diegekkelukaas]

I realise that these kinds of videos are oddly specific, and maybe somewhat nerdy, but I cant help but enjoy them regardless.

[@Dawn.tless.]

To be completely fair, it’s worth it only for the elf melter, that thing melts (pun intended)

[@purplehaze2358]

I still prefer red riding armor over shroomite because I'd rather not limit myself to like, a single weapon type and nothing else.

[@sayo5204]

hai terrasteel

[@enafunnyperson]

Shroomite armor is now on fraudwatch

[@Thunderbolt-Ten]

Terrasteel is my favorite AQR/AP Statistics teacher

[@BlueBerryMirtilo]

Amazing video! You really explained this well.

[@Terra-Toilet]

Not to mention that launchers are just weak in general. Even for events like the Old One's army, they are out-competed by other weapons within the same tier like the sniper rifle for tier 3.

[@jcdenton6427]

I find that wrong. Snowball launcher outclassed vortex weapons when used in OOA because massive splash damage. As for Betsy, yeah, vortex weapons are better.

[@sc4mton]

not gonna lie i was ready for a two hour documentary about a single item in terraria

[@iceicicle3046]

Been playing this game for years and never knew that the shroomite helmet was multiplicative and didnt work on ammo

[@terraSpark902]

Funny thing about the Elf melter, is that even with that I'd rather use the Red Riding set with Exsplosive traps to activate the oiled debuff and set the enemy on frost burn

[@squiddler7731]

Kinda ironic how the one ranged buff that's dependent on what type of ammo you use is also the only one one that doesn't buff ammo damage directly

[@G-Forces]

I hope they buff it (at least the one for the launchers) in the next update, it seems kind of dumb that an armor piece meant to be higher tier is worse.

[@hyperuser5473]

These videos are so intricate i wonder what itd be like if you looked at modded content and compared it to vanilla

[@haseebahmed2544]

I didnt know about the multiplicitave helmet and always used the clorophyte helmet, red ridding chest piece and shroomite lwgs

[@ich1277]

I only use the helmet for their set bonus tho, in multiplayer you can keep the set bonus active all times and even on singleplayer, at the start of the boss fight you can deal huge amounts of damage to the boss if you are using something like holy or chrolophyte arrows (or shimmer arrowing can also work as a cheese to instakill the boss) Edit: I dont know how many of the weapons can do something like this with shroomite helmet

[@janfal4252]

what would be a good setup for ranger around this point in the game then?

[@matthewjohnson6018]

me when piranha gun

[@The4DRY4N]

i hope this at least encourages someone to play with mixed armor, i think it's pretty fun :)

[@MarkTheDevourer]

I love your videos. They’re all well made and right to the point. No hyperbole, no exaggerations, no stupid dummy tests, or anything of the sort. It’s perfect! Although watching this video makes me wonder what you think of beetle shell vs scale mail. I always thought if you want more defense go shell and want more damage go mail, but maybe there is something deeper that I’m missing?

[@Gnurklesquimp2]

Theyre quite consistent in the vanity slot though!

[@EdibleREAL]

I would never expect terra to roast shroomite armor

[@Lykrast]

Hey at 1:05 both lines say they add up to 60 damage dealt when the text says the multiplicative should be dealing more.

[@epicman9181]

The lower formula actually comes out to 61.6 damage. Definitely a mistake of some sort.

[@mythmakroxymore1670]

Instructions unclear, building and wearing full Warding Forbidden armor and warding accessories for the umteenth time.

[@somedude4087]

feels like this is a bit of an oversight, maybe with you shining a light on this relogic might adjust some stuff another thing which feels a bit missed out upon, more ammo types for flamethrowers, or even just damage for it coins get to show damage stats when you havea coin gun in your inventory, why doesn't the gel even further, why can't we use the pink gel as less common but more powerful ammo, or make some mixes of gel with some additives yourselves calamity for adding so many flamethrowers (over 12 total iirc) still only has just normal gel to use for all of them, and in some cases they chew through the gel like its nothing, just a single burst costing from 1 to 12 gel cuz each shot takes ammo if ammo conservation doesn't trigger

[@ratpee-gt2eh]

great video, good job

[@vivigarr]

No one here talking about how good that paper slide transision was with going into the ocean fighting duke

[@averagejoe5904]

Counterpoint: i dont use shroomite armor at all. The set bonus is relatively useless in boss fights, where the stats matter the most. And if i dont make a farm early on or hoarde glowing mushrooms in my playthrough its such a hassle, AND if i swap weapon types i need a different headpiece. I just use chlorophyte armor for rangers because the set bonus is always active, protects me and adds free dps. Its headpiece is universal, and so much easier to get. And i dont remember a substantial difference in defence either

[@NedstarYouTube]

I just realised the Lethal Company helmet looks exactly like the shroomite helmet.

[@charlesswansonii9319]

Oooor ReLogic could make the Shroomite Helmet's boost apply to both ammo and weapon, you know, like the rest of the armor sets?

[@AltairTheGamer]

I make it specifically to put it in the vanity slot, because it's the best looking one out of the three.

[@moistsponge9227]

i want to know what the point of shroomite's stealth is. Not moving in a boss fight? only viable when cheesing with those box setups. Vortex is a little better but if I were to play ranger again, I would just use chlorophyte or something

[@LennypedeV2]

Oh my god the profile looks so cute

[@nan8228]

Interesting video. Counterpoint: Piranha Gun (i love this weapon)

[@definitely_not_melon]

So what i got is since flamethrowers ammo doesn't scale in the first place i can keep using shroomite helmets?

[@Terraw]

Yes, Elf Melter is the exclusive domain of the Shroomite Helmet

[@definitely_not_melon]

@@Terraw flamethrowers getting another W

[@KLIXORthe]

The shroomite headgears should just give a 1.5s 15% ranged damage buff when you deal damage with the corresponding ranged weapon type. An interesting alternative to how they work now would be to base the ranged bonus off of how you're moving, though. One for airborne, one for on a mount/cart or grappling, and one for being grounded. Each would provide advantages and disadvantages.

[@CaztheAxolotl]

I just learned yesterday that the shroomite helmet doesn't affect the steak launcher, because it is apparently classed as an "arrow weapon" ??

[@raidcrhonos]

Fascinating, i love this

[@Zhar-Ptitsu]

now i want to see a mod to make the multiplicative damage apply to the ammo. Just for fun

[@iamagreatape9576]

"no one uses the stealth anyway" as someone who uses shroomite to roleplay as a camoflagued tactical grenade turret this hurts my soul.

[@invschematics]

oh, no wonder why i didn't have a problem with the shroomite mask. I always use those 3 weapons

[@cellianexurianity5021]

No wonder i always skip straight to vortex armor.

[@Manahina1]

Then there's me, continuing to use hallowed armor up to moon lord.

[@ShadowAraun]

"no one uses stealth" me, who uses stealth to grind lunar events and to delete certain bosses in seconds.

[@kahiruo]

what if you're playing multiplayer? where you can stay still because theres a people taking aggro and tanking?

[@somefries3101]

So that's why my Snowman cannon wasn't getting benefit from the stupid helmet, dammit Relogic does really need to rework some stuff but because of the code i don't think we will get a proper rework out of this frustrating armor...

[@Tyrian3k]

Tooltip: Increases arrow/bullet/rocket damage by 15%* *Damage of arrows/bullets/rockets is not actually increased. For my current Ranger, I'm going hybrid and will use the Huntress and Red Riding Armors.

[@pillarandtedinc.8025]

So, out of curiosity, how balanced would this be if the multiplier accounted for ammunition as well as the main weapon?

[@Malam_NightYoru]

probably getgudWO levels of "balaced"

[@thebigtomato0597]

not balanced in the slightest, especially with launchers

[@somedude4087]

@@thebigtomato0597 wouldn't that kinda be the point for where launchers are they feel rather...lackluster most of the time

[@thebigtomato0597]

@@somedude4087 yeah having launchers actually useful would be amazing

[@somedude4087]

@@thebigtomato0597 the most useful with with them is mining...ironically which honestly feels somewhat sad

[@CarlosSilva-bh4bi]

I mean, the problem here can be fixed by sacrificing something in order to get a Damage boost accesory increasing weapon damage and ammo

[@stijnvandensande3579]

The Geogebra graphs 🤣😂

[@theo-dv3ur]

the stealth give a great stat increase

[@TNW_POVELITEL_MIROV]

Not so MushRoom to argue about as it seems

[@fireflower_sys]

I use elecrosphere launcher with helmet for OOA (because I can stand with stealth)

[@hoothoot7122]

I never run full shroomite armor, I run the helmet and old ones army armor so i can get a summon for more damage

[@pileopixels3048]

I didn’t know what dichotomy meant and I thought you were studying the shape and design of the helmet itself (like how it would work as a real helmet)

[@KwikBR]

[@neoselket562]

The problem with shroomite is that you only get a damage boost in one category of weapons at a time. What they should have done instead is give each helmet a different type of buff, so for example one would give more defense, one would give more damage, and one would give more mobility. Also, Baconfry? I haven't heard that name in ages, that takes me back!

[@baconfry]

i never left :)

[@taCymm]

you are the m7 goat

[@Skyfire-qu7nt]

Honestly I usually use extra shroomite to use this as a vanity over the other shroomite helmet. I like it because it looks halo-esque

[@sirbillygoat1660]

What's the music from at 1:41? I'm pretty sure its from some game but I can't put my finger on it

[@Pyrodiac]

Terraria Calamity Mod Brimstone Crag music.

[@KwikBR]

calamity mod

[@thearrivalcyberseignister8898]

Shroomite armor jankness is what makes me drop the ranger class during endgame, is a massive dissapointment compared to every other armor class at that point of the game which are more fun to play, have better bonuses, are easier to obtain or all the adove

[@askahope9980]

This video is the perfect example of "given time, humans will optimize the fun out of a game". As much as I love the Shroomite armor, from this point onward, I'll always feel *behind* by simply using it.

[@SicklySeraph]

I play ranger the most and wonder why i never noticed, then i realize its because i never use launchers oops

[@joaoguilhermegreenhalgh3210]

That’s another reason to use Frost Armor instead

[@RJpkFire]

i didnt even know that was a word before

[@platinume2316]

I always thought shroomite needed a buff.

[@Chaoszwaihander3434]

That's a nice argument, however using mixed armor is gonna give me a stroke so I think I'll stick with the helmet now

[@Pyrodiac]

If it's visual that's your problem, vanity slots exist.

[@Zeldrake]

surprised you didn't mention its garbage set bonus - I prefer to run Hallowed Armor (for the dodge) or Huntress Armor (for the sentry spam). The stealth damage bonus is massive but impossible to pull off in singleplayer, and makes other armor sets infinitely more preferable. Even the Adamantite bonus might be better

[@TimeTimes12]

In my opinion it doesn't really matter, too much optimisation and math can ruin the experience for me. I dont want to worry about complicated math equations and percentage when i choose the armor

[@goldfishchromee]

Costplaying Lethal Company in Terraria challenge

[@soupster683]

"no one uses the stealth anyways" does he know??

[@employee4275]

i used the helmet on my last playthrough, i liked it a lot because he he explosions and fire fun in all seriousness though i do use the stealth on the shroomite armor quite a lot for casual play. a lot of the time in terraria you're just farming resources or exploring, and in those non-boss scenarios being able to project a lot of damage can make up for being immobile since unlike a boss regular enemies can be defended against by simply killing them before they can attack. i dont think it's a good set bonus or anything though lol

[@KwikBR]

would it even be useful in bosses? 3 of the entire 4 bosses after you get shroomite are fast paced ones you can't stop moving for, and the one that isn't is the easiest boss in the game

[@JessicaMorgani]

The melee armor head piece is probably more useful than that thing.

[@polterofen]

I always thought the helmet was the weakest one considering most people dont use the weapons it buffs, sucks not affecting ammo makes it more so. Was the easiest shroomite headpiece to make a Minecraft skin though lol

[@sergioberco1986]

So then adam mask + shroomite chestplate and leggings is better than full shroomite?

[@thebigtomato0597]

it a good chunk of situations then yes

[@_Askr_]

adamantite mask + red riding chest/legs are even better like many others have commented

[@Telogor]

What I'm hearing is I should just kill Golem then grab the Red Riding Armor set.

[@overthegardenwall7143]

hopefully this gets fixed in the next update

[@givlupi2686]

Sounds like it needs a fix in 1.4.5

[@damnthisisabadname]

Counterpoint: old one's army exists and you really want red riding armour for ranger Stealth is very viable in old one's army

[@Silenceyousillycant9793]

Shroom set + sniper build. Nuke time.

[@moolahman9043]

Yeah that's cool and all but all the shroomite helmets look really cool

[@jellybelly8672]

Ranger players: “so these complex damage calcs make this build optimal, but it could change very easily” Meanwhile us melee players are holding autoswing and eating a stick of glue.

[@kdog4347]

cant hear you blah blah shroomite goated

[@KwikBR]

[@ZZZONEVR]

Video posted 4 seconds ago... Wow