Have Team17 Destroyed Hell Let Loose? - A Review of Their Ownership of the Game

[@jeffsmith6659]

Team 17 managed to quickly communicate on THIS but completely ignored our in game feedback. @TEAM 17.... I have 6000+ hours in the game and have a server....talk to people like me and quit going after negative reviews...which you TOTALLY earned by your actions and/or inactions. 'Keep moving...we've taken a German OP!'. Wow. We love the original concept and get early access issues, but this QA failure on all fronts is T17. It's so fixable....but you gotta get a plan and get organized.

[@Heaveaway23]

Community criticism is jus us trying to help them but they don't get it lol. I also hate how they try to balance this game so much it takes away from the realism

[@jeffsmith6659]

​@@Heaveaway23They have a money/identity crisis. They say 'we want to be a realistic WW2 game, but they keep aiming at CoD money and appeal. I have different games so I can do different things. Doing silly run speed and dolphin dives to chase a different crowd and Franchise expansion $$$ is the great divide somewhere up at T17. I think the 17 in the name is either the number of minutes spent on QA annually or the average age of the management trying to figure out this WW2 stuff and business management on the whole. So easy to fix....but not with their scattered priorities and game identity crisis.

[@hazed1009]

ABSOLUTELY 100% AGREE WITH YOU MATE. LISTENING /READING T17??????? (Course they ain't. Useless devs)

[@Sssmoken]

Having been in QA most of my life, I am almost 100% certain it's not a QA problem - it's a product owner problem pushing something that Dev and QA couldn't handle in the time given. It's often product owners who come up with a release date, with little to no consideration to the time needed by Dev and QA.

[@jeffsmith6659]

@@Sssmoken It's not QA doing bad, it's that it doesn't exist. The priorities are very wrong way above that level with nothing in their system to even catch the most basic of errors. No one is driving the bus.

[@plamola]

I stopped playing HLL a while back and stuff like this makes me want to return to the game even less. Thanks for all the hours of HLL entertainment you've provided Terry.

[@GunShark0]

Yup. Uninstalled after watching the original and now the edited version of this video.

[@OG-Capo---]

I just take breaks here and there..

[@Andrzejcojaturobie]

Go play Squad 44 (aka Post scriptum) is good now and have 100 player servers.

[@IronHeartGamingYT]

Great video Terry. I imagine what has happened is that from the get go Team17 tried to develop this game on the cheap. Outsourcing everything they could, rushing every update/patch, gutting QA department, honestly it is quite sad. I was so hopeful when they took over, I thought that HLL would go from an Indie studio (Black Matter) to a proper "big boy" developer like Team17. When they revealed the 2023 Roadmap with Polish and Finnish forces and bunch of other stuff I was hyped but very soon things went wrong. I thought the pace and quality of development would improve, instead it has got demonstrably worse. You're right that some of this is probably because of the "spaghetti code" and other legacy issues but that doesn't excuse rushed/unfinished or dare I say it again, lazy and untested updates/patches.

[@taihavard]

I need to Praise T17. I have around 3000 hours in HLL and since they have taken over I have put so much time in to guitar practice and I am actually getting quite good now. I couldn't have done it without T17.

[@graustreifbrombeerkralle1078]

LOL

[@lukaspechar]

Haaaaaa brilliant

[@TheMrAkul]

Nice

[@OutdoorNor]

Pretty much everything I feared would happen when Team17 took over has happened. Such a shame. Hell Let Loose always had such potential. I still play it every now and then. But I went back to Squad44/Post Scriptum instead for my WW2 fix.

[@chost-059]

damn this is kinda sour, cencoring critisism isnt nice

[@R4idenXS]

I think they just want to keep the private discord private....

[@Technicallyimright]

I imagine the private discord is just a group of incompetent, useless people chatting utter drivel.

[@ungabungabigboss]

average T17 L

[@kennethbowers2897]

This is absolutely unacceptable frankly, this is just petty on their end.

[@mrenzyme9715]

My friendship group that I formed and forged over the past 2 years in Hell Let Loose; almost none of them play HLL anymore and that’s purely because the lack of content, you’re my favourite HLL creator and who can blame you for leaving the game behind, it’s a massive shame because it’s the best Second World War shooter on the market currently and has a very dedicated playerbase that it’s currently haemorrhaging that playerbase.

[@21EpicFail]

Squad '44 For The Win!!!!!

[@vinddictive_8468]

@@21EpicFailI’ve been loving squad 44. Can’t believe HLL was more popular than it

[@agiliteka]

​@@vinddictive_8468oh squad 44 is brilliant. The community on it is amazing, like HLL used to be, and the massive mods they integrate into the game are so well polished and really increase the scope of the game. It's a passion project of a WW2 shooter and it's depth is just amazing.

[@vinddictive_8468]

@@agiliteka I’ve also learned squad 44 is being developed by middle aged dudes working on it AFTER WORK for fun/cheap. Squad 44 is in good hands and I hear there adding the pacific the end of this year like wtf!

[@Universe-7-LordBeerus]

Recently switched to Squad44

[@c.j.1089]

Start playing Squad 44, it's taken back off just in time.

[@codybeekmann7064]

its trash and nobody plays

[@GunShark0]

Pretty sure that game has 500 players globally at most. And that's on a good day.

[@codybeekmann7064]

It’s usually dead as hell every time I get on

[@CaymanCoaxis]

the graphics look like doo doo, even Arma 3 has better graphics than that hunk of junk

[@NashmanNash]

Squad 44 praise bots are a thing now...

[@greghuzi7265]

Thats a shame Terry. I’ve always enjoyed watching your HLL stuff. I understand why you’ve left the game as I personally did the same but came back to it a few weeks ago as I’m a ww2 nerd and HLL has been my go to FPS for 3 years. Team 17 just hasn’t lived up to expectations and not delivered on there roadmap.

[@SgtShyma]

we will always welcome you in Squad44. I used to play both but HLL has just been making me sad for the last year or so.

[@charles_wipman]

T17 it's killing the HLL for the vets, they add changes that one asked for and they don't communicate that they were going to add those changes, like the UI, i spent an hour and a half making sure that i had the right uniforms, faces, helmets and loadouts just as i had 'em before this unwanted and not announced UI change; they call the foggy maps "new night maps", when all they're are the same old maps with a bit of low light and an extreme fog so one don't notice the LOD and performance issues, those foggy maps are not fun to play, they also call "new map" the same old maps with a lighting change... that's not "a new map" and we all know it. Instead fix and improve the LOD issues, both visual and solid LODs on all maps, remove the foggy maps and add really dark/low light maps, add more maps for the soviets and the british nop.. they come up with more foggy maps, broken patches and things, unwanted and unneeded changes, and base game price increase that game doesn't cost that money, they're killing the game with all this BS, and they don't seem to care, for the game.. or for the vet players, that broght the game to where it is and was, so... F T17.

[@h1tten1t]

Once again: a comment and a like for the algorhytm, was halfway the previous video 😅 Really appreciate all the effort!

[@thetuske4335]

squad 44 already offers much greater experience then HLL they offer more different mechanics more realistic mechanics its harder but its more closer to reality then HLL

[@jone525]

I've stopped playing HLL and started play Squad 44 (Post Scriptum), and I've never looked back

[@johnlennon6170]

The best time I had with HLL was during the original closed pre-alpha testing after the kickstarter. The game was so much better back then. There was a clear goal and vision for the game. It was not the meat grinder it is now. Maps were bigger, and the battles were smaller and more focused (squad vs squad on strongholds) but there was alot more of them across the map rather than the clusterfuck of 50 vs 50 on a single point or two. The game had a slower pace with more team work, every match felt like the battle scene at the radar station on the hill in the movie Saving Private Ryan. I gave up on the game entirely probably a year or two after its public release on steam.

[@albertnicenstein8940]

I have heared of the tactits from team 17 to shut down critics from the Community, a lot of my companians are banned of the official discordserver for complaining about shit updates and no content 😂

[@ronnieponcho7736]

Just want to note that Team 17's HQ is 16 mins drive from The Royal Armouries in Leeds (which is where Jonathan Ferguson, keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries works) and they could go down there literally any time to get advice and access to British weapons (and others). That may not be where the developers are located, but it's easily resolved. It's cheapness all the way down. The British update broke my confidence in their ability to follow realism.

[@automaticasthmatic]

I watched the video yesterday in its entirety whilst at work last night. Cheers for all you have done for HLL and our great community, I've watched your videos since I started playing in October 21 console release date for tips, tricks and general "how to do shit". Cheers Terry👍🏻

[@SEANPAGE9991]

im still waiting for them to fix bugs that been plagueing the game for soo long

[@einarcgulbrandsen7177]

Tried to play today, but the VOIP is down.....

[@sdm6054]

The game has been throwing up random exception errors a lot today. Every time it does that my game settings get completely reset. This has been a bug for years and never fixed...

[@21EpicFail]

Team 17 will just try to break even from the purchase they've made and then let the game die.

[@Liopleurodon]

1:08 mute the Tab, not the vid otherwise Algo knows 😉

[@dragonzord6615]

T17 trying to silence people criticizing them now. Great. Even less reason to play their shit game.

[@JackChurchill101]

I get it, I get the frustration with "updates" that actually cause more problems than improvements. But frankly, the issue with the game is not the developer, it's the players. Perhaps one in four matches actually function like a team-based strategic FPS. Most are just a chaos of poor communication and a wilful ignorance of unit roles, squad roles, and how to actually play as a team. I play the game a lot, - and 90% of the time my frustration doesn't come from poor historical accuracy, or loadout bugs, or animations. It's from the blueberry hordes who function more like a janky AI than a team of sentient humans. Engineers, who never build nodes. Officers who never build spawn points. Support who never drop crates. And squads who burrow head-long into enemy fire, without ever thinking of repositioning. Commanding a team effectively, is more about looking at a battle map, and predicting where to manually-build spawns to allow the blueberry AI to "flow" over the map like a "water running down a hill" simulator. The game was designed as a passion project for die-hard fans, who wanted to use the functions (I wasn't there and came in around update 9). Years later, the problems with the game are meta. Not performance and aesthetics. Far more effort needs to be spent in moulding a game that drives blueberries to play the way the game was designed to be played. I'll keep playing. See you there.

[@NA-iq8sl]

One of the ogs of the community. T17 has done nothing but a terrible job since taking over. All the promised road map stuff they never deliver is whatever. The main thing is the stability and performance which is a huge issue. They have a niche on console not so much on pc, but they could have really killed it and they never did. It’s really said as I’ve been playing this game for 3 years now it’s sad the state of it.

[@hyperkaioken4982]

Americans on Omaha beach. "worst map in any war ever totally one sided"

[@SGhosht]

Bro I was in your squad lmaooooo - Buddha

[@Kjertinge]

still won tho lol get wrecked nazi plebs

[@swissbandent]

It sucks that server issues, game freezes, and crashes on game pass through console wasn't discussed much or at all due to removal in video. Also, audio and team speak I.e. comms not working correctly forcing you to quit game and load again till you find a game it works on.🤦

[@ryansarafin12]

They promised me a tank overhaul and it still hasn't happened, so now I'm trying out S44

[@10litu]

Did not completely stop playing HLL, still play it sometimes (not neeeaaarly as much as before), as it is just so easy to keep playing the game you already know. I think I will soon jump on Squad 44 instead, as I already own it but just couldn't get around to play it due to work. HLL nowadays is a chore though, so it's just a matter of time until it happens.

[@tma78]

Honestly, all the community servers using bunker ban in discord should organise a 48-72hr server access lock out protest. They want to see a united front, lets see what happens when the community are forced to play on unmoderated servers over a weekend.

[@ericeli5145]

I wish they would make a modern shooter like hell let loose and release it for consoles too because squad is never going to release on ps5 or xbox

[@thetuske4335]

Guys Try Squad 44 its under lead of devs from squad game and game has really great future

[@Rangertozero]

It’s going to be released on PlayStation soon? Crossplay

[@werdsworld7901]

Their lack of ANY quality control for the game has been infuriating.

[@coledelahooke809]

Fantastic stuff, appreciate all the work you put in this.

[@xinglingoriginal5428]

Brow, you spend more than 55 min speaking in a video to show us the situation, I respect you! I will see every second! thank you! Congrats

[@bradyjohnson370]

The game is still great but T17 has completely shit the bed with how theyve handled it since they took over

[@monstermashie3714]

Mate... I've been palying HLL since the very start AND watching your videos... ofcourse we bloody remeber you!! (and share your pain and frustraion with the state of the game since Team 17 took the helm).

[@grantcalderon1880]

Idk, I think the player base is culpable in a lot of this too. Call of duty tactics don’t mix with this game at all. And still people play like it

[@BloodSasuke101]

Its a harrowing thing when you move on to another gaming community and are watching the Devs say and do the same, exact thing to that community as was done to this one. "Despite our best efforts, we dont always get things right. But we're learning from these situations and listening to your feedback."

[@EBackwards]

NOTE - The following is tongue in cheek. Hi, I'm the new Hell Let Loose Team. We seen your video! Great that you've taken our game to heart and we feel your passion! Unlike most game publishers, we're not going to force you to remove your feedback from the video you posted yesterday, heck we welcome an honest review of not only just our game but our team as well. Some of the points hit home and as much as we don't like to have our laundry aired out, we fully understand and tend to agree on most of your points. We have work to do and while the gears of change are sometimes slower than we'd all like, know that the gears are moving and we're doing our very best to move them in the direction our community's wants. So, points taken! For starters, if you have some time let's have an open chat. We can explain the challenges we face from engine limitations, complex old code, to resources we're able to allocate to different aspects of the game and why we focus on some parts more than others. We know we can do it all... we just can't do it all at once! It's my hope that by giving you a bit of an inside view to our day to day; perhaps we can bridge the divide we have currently with our community. The last thing we'd want to do is start to censor our ambassadors of HLL. Looking forward to speaking more and we'll see what we can do. Cheers, Some Fake employee @ Team17

[@pts13miffy16]

I love this game and don’t care about everyone’s negative criticism. It’s an amazing war game. I just wish you could go prone quicker and had a longer time then just six seconds to hold Your breath under water.

[@Rapidlee23]

I would love for OWI to take over/purchase this game. and also allow mod support

[@sidneybergmann386]

Will never Happen because OWI bought Post Scriptum now Squad 44 and its ging up in the Playerbase again.

[@dybbuk4359]

Uninstalled HLL about a month ago and haven’t looked back since! I’m having way more fun playing Squad 44

[@dommin2283]

Squad 44 is good, but the gameplay is so different. I'm glad that devs are doing their best with the roadmap, but they need like 1 morę year to catch up with HL.

[@TheChocDonk2000]

I've got 3000+ hours in HLL, I really wish TEAM 17 didn't fumble the ball here. The game is stagnant and a lot of players have left, and there is a cycle of less experienced players that come in, stay a while and then leave, so it creates this revolving door or "game aware" players. I still go back to it, usually about a month and a bit after free weekends/updates is a nice sweet spot.

[@tilda140]

we appreciate you being a part of the community bud more power to you

[@jcuttyfoe]

Team17 is so corrupt. Like I said in the first upload, thank you Terry for speaking out on this dev team when no one else will. Keep doing what you’re doing man. Thank you

[@griff_the_boxer]

@@jcuttyfoe corrupt? Lol. Literally every content creator criticizes team 17.

[@jcuttyfoe]

@@griff_the_boxer why are you questioning me saying “corrupt”? We are literally agreeing on the same thing. And yea every hll KZbinr has spoken out against them but Terry is the only one that consistently talks about it in his videos. So much so that he’s clearly not afraid to lose any partnership he has with them obviously.

[@Raygun-xb2st]

Sounds like the wonderful experience I had with T17 when testing for them, completely shut down their voluntary testing program without directly informing the testers ofc!

[@Dan_Backslide]

As a newer console casual who picked the game up earlier this year, I think the most egregious thing I’ve dealt with is the Barracks UI. Attempting to equip cosmetics is a nightmare and not knowing if they’ll even stay equipped is demoralizing. What’s the point of having a cosmetics system if the UI feels like it’s held together with duct tape and spit? The input lag and lack of navigation control is absolutely horrendous. There are plenty of bundles I’d be willing to purchase because I enjoy the game overall, however I don’t see a point in doing so if they aren’t going to prioritize easy problems like a basic menu UI/cosmetic system. It’s not some niche area on some map causing player issues or a core mechanic glitching out for some unknown reason. It’s the IN-GAME MENU. Team 17…buddy…get it together.

[@GunShark0]

This game never belonged on consoles and them trying to shoe horn it onto consoles is a big part of the problems here. Sorry not sorry.

[@Dan_Backslide]

@@GunShark0 Not an excuse. Skill issue. If you’re going to deliver a product then “git gud”and deliver a functioning one. Stop sweeping for these retards. Are the getting their building janitors to program the game during the night shift or something? Ui/Ux should be a foundational slam dunk for any game regardless of engine or platform. There are dogshit indie games with better and more functional menu systems than HLL has. It should be T17’s main priority honestly.

[@jjjonathan8774]

I hope they just take it seriously, but there is not much hope left. BM was so much better! I don't want to see this game die, but T17 digs the grave already... Bad trailer, buggy updates, no communication, lack of content... How could this have happened to this awesome game?

[@agp11001]

BM had their issues, but ho boy, did T17 drop the ball.

[@myusufsutanf6313]

I have a lot of hours in HLL. Like 4000H. And yes. Squad 44 is the bestt! Hll is dead. But ppl is just blind. "OH squad 44 is dead" well.. is not. Belive me. Give it 1 year. And it will be a beast.

[@UnifiedFilms]

Squad 44 is about a thousand times better than HLL now anyway. Cheers for always bringing us honest and truthful takes, Terry.

[@Winter_ECU]

They never finish the soviets, they never add more eastern maps, they keep making french maps boring night maps... were is the winter maps?.. They need to fix the game and finish the other factions.

[@xjuliussx]

the HLL showed the greatest potential to achieve a proper ww2 game one day, this would mean to deliver good maps and on top of that to give us a campaign system with Europe Campaign map, divided by regions and populated with cities , resources, where players could engage on epic strategic battles not just tactical battles. This would have been nice. Now it's a lost opportunity. We, players, will have to do our own game like this.

[@TheSmell-m9w]

Historical acuracy in HLL is a joke anyway 6 man squads everyone runs about with automatic weapons anyway

[@darthv3der295]

do we actually live under CCP rule? Within a day of an upload they can respond to this but takes them a week to even ACKNOWLEDGE some clear bugs in the game. smh these guys are useless, i’m going to go play a game where the devs actually care about the players 🙄

[@DeadLikeMeJ]

I have got into the game before it was released, what drew me was the concept : A Strategic and Tactical FPS, Unfortunately this potential gone down the drain. The sale was the catalyzer as it shifted the ownership from enthusiastic (but maybe tired) developers to a company who all they wanted was to clearly just cash out on the IP with adding a monetization scheme for the game. From a road map made by the former devs featuring core game loop changing content such as halftracks and quality of life updates such as parties, the new roadmap featured more 'ConTent' such as maps and weapons (things I care the least about). What the game needed was improvements to how the core is being played and this is where the failure really happened and why I believe many people left, at the end of the day there is nothing strategic about HLL matches (except tournaments) exactly because nothing was updated. Tutorials can help but not if the gameplay doesn't incentives the gameplay that the designers aim at - it doesn't matter if you 'tell people' what supplies do, it matters that you create an actual game loop to use those and have fun doing so. Same goes for the Commander/Officers roles which every match I played people avoided taking as it was a pain in the ass to actually enjoy utilizing those - which in turn damaged the whole Strategic layer of the game. What was left was just the shooting and the shooting alone was fun but not enough to endure a match where the team doesn't build any garrisons and I am forced either to run 5 minutes each time or lead the team game after game to infinity (it's not only blueberries fault).

[@negan2714]

With Insurgency Sandstorm being put on Game Pass, it damaged the player base so much. It introduced so much team killing, bot walking, team flashing and general griefing. I wish so much Saber would get it off Game Pass.

[@doodmonkey]

Oh here we go! This is going to end poorly for Team17.

[@SeemsLogical]

I love Remagen. I like it because I can build an AT gun. The Germans have that cliff that overlooks the bridge. You can see so much of the Allied assault. The allies don't have that view but because the German AT guns can see that much map, the allied AT guns can essentially be built unnoticed on the riverbanks or further back and counter snipe them. I really enjoy Remagen, it is one of my favorite maps because I am not the guy assaulting the bridge. I let the team do it and assist from the back lines. That map stalemates until one side gets an effective enough airhead, thats the only down side honestly.

[@MadcapOP]

So many of us have given so much time to Hell Let Loose. So many of us have stuck around through all the bugs and pains. We deserve better from T17. They owe it to the players.

[@sunnycat69]

Play sqaud 44 it's much better game and the devs give a F :) I have iver 2k hr's in HLL never playing it again

[@MrJkbravo3]

Incredibly frustrating that they forced you to take down the original.

[@graustreifbrombeerkralle1078]

Squad 44 player here. I really hope that Team 17 resumes actual work on Hell Let Loose. I vastly prefer Squad 44, but it'd be a shame to see HLL go down the drain quality-wise. Plus, competition is always nice.

[@andrewjohnston9115]

I understand Team 17 defending their investment, it would be naive to think they wouldn't, but as long as everything in the video is factually correct then you are pretty safe, however should team 17 decide to take legal action for whatever reason then the costs of defending would be ruinous for most people. So I completely understand your decision to redact the offending content and put Team 17 and HLL behind you and move on to greener pastures. I'd really like to thank you Terry for your tutorial videos, you really made a difference for those of us who where early adopters to become capable and intelligent players, additionally your live streams where engaging and fun to watch. All the best Terry, maybe meet you on squad 44.

[@ernestachterberg8029]

Truly it is amazing how the community always tries to point out flaws of the game or give suggestions which are needed for the game. The sheer volume of suggestions is enormous, none of this see answered yet keep posting because discord has a suggestion folder. We at team 17 pretend to listen, night maps skrimish, historically accurate content.... Current situation is so sad see many players go to squad 44 which does deliver content what is requested (or even delivers more than requested) Team 17 doesn't care all last money out of the cash cow with the ridiculous roadmap, ridiculous update (not worth waiting). Community was most important at kickstarter to get bigger, since team 17 is at the wheel it's hell let loose in all facets. There is not enough earning, when shit hits the fan it is sorry sorry sorry. Good suggestion in this is to pull the plug anyway is to temporarily play squad 44.

[@sleepy1066]

Used to love HLL, shame T17 did what they did the way they did it, people seem to "suggest" to switch to Squad 44, i can see why but man, that game is ALOT more mil-sim like and in general doesnt feel great for beginners, especially so for people who dont use mics. Also the graphics arent the best compared to HLL, and dont even get me started on how some weapons handle, i remember a server i joined i picked up the MG-42 and when i tell you that while proned and using a bipod, the recoil was SO BAD that you legit were better off "suppressing fire" with a damn bolt action. So, HLL is run by the awful team17 while Squad 44 just doesnt hit the same yet

[@graustreifbrombeerkralle1078]

That's the point of Squad 44, it is more hardcore, more realistic, more team-based and all in all a much harder game. If you are trying to lone-wolf or just to rack up kills, you are playing it wrong. Squad 44's graphics are inferior in close-quarters; they are still pretty good over long-distance where HLL fails miserably. Furthermore, the recoil of machine guns in Squad 44 is fairly realistic.

[@TonyChristy-dy7qv]

Here is the problem with all video games and the Developers of them. There is too many fan boys out here that go along with them for partner programs rather than calling them on their BS! If more content creators would call them out on their BS Practices then they would be forced to change. Who wants 1 guy telling 30,000 people that you freaking suck!? No one! Good for you my dude for standing up for yourself!

[@cameronmackay7070]

Man they just need to come clean admit their wrongs and start completely new.

[@thedonutmen3471]

Still, as a console player, I will stick with HLL because I'm not forced to play against PC players.

[@JoyP09]

Its a bit unfair that we buy the game one time and keep expecting new content. The game's player base is already small (vs other big games) which means not lots of copies sold. On top of this, not a lot of people buy cosmetics. The game should have a small yearly subscription maybe of $7/8 to access all class otherwise just stick with rifleman/officer with base game only. This way the devs continue to make profits and are motivated to create quality content.

[@goliath8922]

Please please please don't give up on HLL! Yes, problems are there. The new dev team is not garnering our trust, especially with the old guard. But it still is a good game. The foundations are still present. There is hope that the dev team will listen to dedicated players such as yourself. A tutorial mode would help from the devs that highlights the necessity of teamwork and communication. But the players need to put in work also. Old players NEED to communicate with new players. New players NEED to heed the advice of old players. To the dev team, get rid of the crazy filters, try and get rid of the cheaters, and listen to the dedicated players. Basically we should slow down a bit and take our time, both players and the dev team. See you on the battlefield!

[@Rangertozero]

Yes they have. The last update and the UI changes are shite. Never had so many problems with stutter and frame rate drop on this game on PlayStation and Xbox.

[@Haddedam]

Knowing some people at team 17, I am not surprised...

[@sam_15_svk90]

wtf, pure censore of the negative meaning fortunately managed to see the original video or wait... was just the part about the amount of the developers removed?

[@ADMSelco13]

If you told me a year ago that HLL would be nosediving while S44 hits a new revival I’d have called you a liar

[@TeXCalibuR]

21:40 On PS5 the grenade animation glitch is back. I have times where I pull a grenade. It does like a little pump fake and then I can throw the grenade.

[@franciscoac5926]

When the inverted AT gun dropped I actually thought it was a feature, similar to how the english drive their vehicles on the right side, dumb ass me lmao

[@DammitBobby]

Unfortunately there is no competitor on console, so I'm just going to keep playing till the game dies completely on console.

[@VitoScaletta1951]

Because there is no competitor, chances of the game dying is very low. Until there’s another game that can match up we’re stuck with HLL unfortunately.

[@blazenkks9491]

It really is a shame. I’m a console player that bought the game on sale a few weeks before the Burning Snow update. I take long breaks. Didn’t play for 6months after the first British update with the Runspeed change, until the British weapons were fixed. Each update just makes the game worse. El Alemain was so laggy it was unplayable that first 6months. And the run speed change and subsequent update that re added in Background game analytics made stable maps play like crap. The stutters and rubber-banding on Remagen are ridiculous. Stalingrad still lags and DC’s and is still unplayable on console and should just be removed till they can sort it out. Quality of games has gone to absolute shit as vets leave out of frustration waiting for a Console server browser.

[@blazenkks9491]

It’s super pathetic that they messaged you to censor your opinions and hide comments made in their Content Creator channel. Like if they have time to watch a YT vid about criticism, you’d think they have time to consider what is being said and take it to heart. Or time for QA. The UI update that no one asked for was so badly implemented that you can tell that they don’t actually play their game at all.

[@aethelwolfgaming]

Great video and breakdown of the issues HLL has gone through. I still highly enjoy the game but will be trying out squad44 soon.

[@dwiggzmasterflex]

I quit play HLL awhile ago when i saw they weren't making the game any better. and that trailer was the final nail in the coffin for me, just proved how disconnected they truly were from the content they were producing. I think they released the roadmap right after the trailer debacle to try and win over the hearts of the people still left.

[@stenkamx5406]

I still play it from time to time. And have had fun. But it doesn't feel like the game it used to be and I have little faith in the current devs. On the other hand I picked up post scriptum a few months before the rebrand and the game was all but dead. Been a Damn blast since they rebranded, updated some things, and has a fairly small but consistent and good player base. Does a lot of stuff better than HLL does. Not quite as accessible. But some factions having mortarmen, suppression feels more like you're actually suppressed, firefights are incredible. Nothing quite like seeing a friendly Sherman pull up, running over, climbing on top, and laying down some freedom with the M2 on top as you're advancing. Some maps and factions are better than others but has a lot of promise of a good return and an alternate to hll. Not Nessesarily a replacement.

[@gavancorrigan8813]

I switched from console a few months ago and I had to buy Hell Let Loose on PC. I just missed it too much. I know all the faults it has but when you get all the good elements working together to produce a good match, there’s nothing like it.

[@scottwatrous]

Wombat went from HLL to Larian? That's a huge step up, damn, nice!

[@OG-Capo---]

Whatever happened to the days when you bought a game it was finished! Eating by a game and it was still being worked on as you play it.. I don't know it's just crazy It's like we buy games today that are not finished They throw them out there yeah they're ready to play but sometimes they really not!

[@jag3rb0mb]

What a joke, they can come at you about your video but they still scratching their ass and can’t figure out why this game is complete dog turds on Xbox. Thanks for sharing this I will have less respect towards them now. I’ve been tame up until this point.

[@GunShark0]

I mean... it's xbox... ofc it runs like shit...

[@jag3rb0mb]

@@GunShark0it’s not how it runs it’s the constant crashing and VoIP never working. I guess they are too concerned about that stupid dating game dropping than fixing a game that people have already bought. But don’t worry if you are a ps fanboy you guys are starting to experience the crashing now too. So have fun… I’ve moved on and with their incompetence probably never coming back

[@GunShark0]

Wow... I already watched this video before you had to edit it. That's wild. I still have HLL installed but haven't played in 6 months or more. Uninstalling asap.

[@oldtimersniper560]

Once it hit gamepass again, when i lost faith, they should of put more effort into the console side, but it's made me want to buy a pc to play squad 44 so every cloud n all that

[@benclark3457]

it is historically accurate. the brits didnt have any tanks with guns to match german armour. they were operating off ww1 strategy. they needed to lend lease fireflys to get the firepwoer to match german heavy armor. the only real contender for heavy tank,the churchill, wasnt deployed to later i nthe war AND EVEN IF THEY DID include it, its main cannon couldnt really fight german armor. it can hardly been seen as filling the heavy tank role. as is my historical company of heroes 2 logic

[@hazed1009]

I thought I was going mad, lol couldn't find your video in my history and when I saw this I realised. It was a great video I would have left it as is mate . It was A GREAT ROUNDUP OF THEIR WHOLE USELESS ATTITUDE

[@mar4ant]

will you do a review of Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 when it comes out? I like your game reviews and would be great to get a review of that game from you before buying it. Have high hopes on that game, but afraid if they messed it up, I'd trust your take on it though

[@mliler1405]

They have completely ruined the game. I’m done playing it until I find out that they fix the issues that we’ve all been complaining about forever. There’s no reason to go back. It’s just another battlefield dead.

[@сашатолстолуша]

you forgot: team 17 planned add ingame store for skins

[@JackChurchill101]

I think you should definitely make a compilation video of cheats, teamkills and douchebags. Maybe in order of year, so we see how different issues came and went. Would be fun to see, and to learn what cheats are even out there.

[@KAISERMtbb]

no words for them no words...

[@Itzcorbin]

Luckily I saw yesterdays upload on it :)

[@nicholasjonas5684]

Thst first road map was so good. And then it just vanished. Once I saw the 2024 roadmap I honestly just gave up on the game.

[@Flumpadorus]

Binges the game for the last six months, and honestly, I am already getting tired of the game. I have stopped having fun playing, so time to take a break

[@terrencebritt5703]

Since putting on game pass no one ever talks anymore and it truly ruined the game at least on xbox