Tesla autosteer unsafe to use after recent updates! - Dangerous phantom braking 😲

[@chiragpatel4253]

Ever since the ai update and removing C++ codes. Fsd is several updates worse now. I’ve experienced too much Phantom braking, and it will move over to different lanes w/o signaling during roundabouts. Will take, probably a year for it to come back to where fsd was in the summer. I get that ai has an exponential potential. But I wish we had the option to roll back to the C++ model and wait it out for a year or so.

[@frumpd63]

I had this happen in my new M3P a few weeks ago. They are changing the AEB algorithms and it's super dangerous. There needs to be a feedback loop, like there is with FSD.

[@TeslaMatt650]

This seems pretty extreme. You may want to try doing a camera calibration. I was having some phantom braking issues and the camera calibration resolved it. Its very simple to do and only requires a few miles of driving. Prior to the calibration, make sure you clean all cameras well and try to find a straight road with clear lane markings.

[@chisolm20]

@@TeslaMatt650 I ran the car through a car wash, and recalibrated. Nothing improved at all. 🤷☹️

[@mrbrimm]

Agreed. It's like the ai has to relearn . After an update.. it's a set back .. most time I use basic autopilot.. it's not a deal breaker. But if it's not broke don't fix it..... I was told if it slows. If safe just tap the pedal. .. but still

[@ishnamason6466]

I agree. It’s so much worse than previous models. And how is there no regular cruise control?

[@nononsenseBennett]

Brake lights should activate when slowing in my opinion. That would communicate to other drivers that the car is slowing. This is my main beef with FSD.

[@jamaicantesladriver]

I don’t have a definitive answer for you, but I think the issue may be location-specific. It seems to "hallucinate" in the way that’s often discussed with AI systems like ChatGPT and other chat-based models. Almost all my current issues are similar-they occur in the same specific spot every time, and this has been happening consistently for at least five years. I’ve reported it hundreds of times, but the problem persists in exactly the same way. In your case, it was working fine before, so my guess is that it’s now "hallucinating" at that spot every time and creating a scenario that doesn’t actually exist there.

[@matthiasdebernardini3388]

I've experienced this too

[@qwerty112311]

I think unsafe is perhaps a stretch, but I have had three phantom braking incidents in ~150 miles of FSD since the last update. in all cases, there were no cars around me, so idk if thats just dumb luck or if there is something about interacting with other vehicles that changes that. imo 1/50 miles isn’t “unsafe,” lots of people make bigger mistakes or risky behaviors more frequently (running reds, dangerous lane changes, etc.).

[@chisolm20]

@@qwerty112311 I'm going to disagree with you here. I definitely describe it "unsafe" when it hard breaks from 44mph to 9mph at a green light. If you listen closely, you can actually hear the break being applied. (Not screeching tires, but the thumping sound of the break pedal engaging.) If there had been a car behind me who wasn't paying close attention, they would have rear-ended me 100%.

[@WilliamDeanPlumbing]

Curious what version you're using I don't see it in the title or in the notations. I'm currently on 1 2.5.4.1 and I agree there are these what I refer to as micro throttle inputs like give a tiny bit of jerking in the car as you travel down the road for no reason whatsoever even when I'm by myself. Mind you not on every Road, especially this version has gotten much better than the last version which was very noticeable and almost on every road. But the coming to a stop at intersections I only experienced on one intersection and that has disappeared since the version I have now. This appears to be a GPS thing where it's doing your heavy braking at the same exact GPS coordinates. Outside of those minor deficiencies the system is amazing. Open the micro throttling gets taken care of next.

[@chisolm20]

@@WilliamDeanPlumbing I'm on 2024.33.5 FSD v12.5.4.2

[@jamaicantesladriver]

I want to really clarify that your situation is really crazy! If it's possible for you to share this to X and tag Elon because I feel like there's a lot of these scenarios out there that are one-offs. Where I'm at green lights are perfectly fine. Unless there's a blinking and yellow light, I never have a problem but yours is a huge problem.

[@gsten2116]

You think he gives a shit? He's a fascist.

[@fredmarcial1638]

Maybe caused by haze/blurry front camera. park the car and go to service tab and view all the camera. If that's not it then yeah it's probably the recent updates caused it. You can also try reset and re-calibrate the camera.

[@chisolm20]

yeah, already checked all the cameras, they are clear