Tesla CEO Elon Musk: 'The laptop class is living in la-la land' over work-from-home

[@alexanderh.999]

Some jobs allow you to work from home and some don't. There is no moral issue there.

[@granand]

Allows to work is different to where you have to work to be paid. The core point, is these laptop class, media which worked from home pushed lockdowns destroying millions of livelihood.

[@seanneumann5790]

Not anymore than being a privileged billionaire is an issue.

[@johnwick884]

Exactly…i think Elon is a control freak and he likes to have 100% control and doing micromanagement. That’s why he hates it. But people who can work from home and thanks to many new applications it’s super easy. I am super productive when I work from home because I don’t need to drive to work 30/40 min and go through rush hour what stresses me a lot. Train and bus is even worse because they are full and I need 1,5 hours to go from door to door. So 3 hours are lost. I need to prepare food for work at the evening so additionally 30-60 min are lost. And I have more gas cost for my car and many other things. When I work from home I can start working earlier and end working earlier. Or I can sleep longer. I am instantly at Home when I close my laptop so I have no time on the streets to waste. I am instantly with my family and can spent time with them. Elon musk is a workaholic. His life is based on work. He lives to work. He doesn’t work to live. He is a working machine and he does great things. But he is a bad employer and boss in my opinion. You can’t compare these other jobs with office jobs. And he is so much for saving the environment. But if more people work from home, less cars would waste the air. Less office building would be needed. Home office was not possible for such a long time because we had not the possibility. And it’s proven that productivity increased in Corona times when everybody worked from home and it decreased after it. He’s comparing office workers with people in the factory. But I know some benefits from people in the factory, which I don’t have as someone in the office. Most people I know who work in factories have fixed working times. For example, they start at 6 AM and finish work at 2:30 PM. Then the next shift takes over. They don’t need to worry about if the work is done or not when they leave the next shift will take over and they will continue your work where you finished on that day. Me, for my part can not do that every time I do way more overtime than people in the factories. If we go with Elon’s logic, that would mean that it should be forbidden to make overtime in the office. Most people from the factory I know are shocked when I tell them how many overtime I have. It doesn’t mean that I do two hours plus every day, but in summary, I do way more than most factory workers. It’s not fair to comparing them, factory worker can leave way earlier and have less overtimes so, in my opinion, it’s just fair to work from home if you can, and save a lot of time.

[@rm8344]

Facts

[@MikeCalhoun]

@@granand Or we could have not had lockdowns and destroyed missions of livelihoods by the massive rise in COVID deaths. Also, not sure if you've noticed, but unemployment is extremely low and the market bounced back really quickly. I know some businesses didn't make it but owning your own business is a risk.

[@Coeurebene1]

As a programmer I spent years commuting to office every day, only to interact exclusively with people on other continents. Home working just saves me hours per day and doesn't affect my work at all. It's not because some people have a harder life that I have to shoot myself in the foot so that I suffer too, it's a really dumb way to look at "morality". Now if my productivity was impacted, then yes I would get the point.

[@halelucas5563]

AI will replace you soon anyway your input is irrelevant... 😏

[@KanyeReborn]

Exactly he’s an idiot, obviously different professions require different things. I literally be in the office and not do anything, I actually do work at work

[@IlikepurpleXP]

@@halelucas5563 you people are so bitter. Bet you wouldn’t say this if you too could roll out of bed and start work while making 6 figures. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@SethLT]

​@@halelucas5563 to that respect, nothing is safe from AI. We should utilize it as a tool to enhance us instead of replacing.

[@jameshisself9324]

@@halelucas5563 Haha who do you think programs the AI genius? It doesn't spawn from thin air. Oh is that what you thought? I apologize for mocking you.

[@turborat3461]

When covid was still in its early days I read an article where they discussed how CEO's felt about work from home. Many of them noted they feel a lack of control and I think that's the problem. It's a control issue, not a moral issue.

[@snelle_tomos]

Control issue sounds negatively framed. Your manager is supposed to manage you. When your manager can't manage you productively and you can't seem to grasp that, you're an idiot.

[@mesaber86]

No its not a control issue, the productivity speaks for itself. If you cant be productive you get fired. If you are more productive from home than others working in office you most likely get promoted for being a dedicated worker and put to better use and having to come to work as a result to do your on-sight new tasks.

[@jasonscott4366]

@@mesaber86its a control issue. Productivity is way up with wfh.

[@mesaber86]

@@jasonscott4366 in any case he has the right to tell his employees to work at the company. And im certain productivity is increased from doing so.

[@jasonscott4366]

@@mesaber86 u mean all the employees he fired at twitter

[@andrejlondyn]

I'm a worker who cannot do my job from home and I have to go to work everyday day. I have zero issue with someone working from home. There's no moral issue there. People have different jobs. Some require a lot of physical strenght and a hard manual labour, others are just about intellectual activity. It's ridiculous to think that we all have to do our jobs the same exact way. This man is a complete fool. As long as you get your job done, who cares whether it's from your house or from the factory? It's irrelevant.

[@Klako-ls6yt]

For Musk, it's not about productivity or getting the job done. Increased remote work threatens his business. He's the CEO of a car company. That's why he's so in favor of getting people back in the office, and more specifically, back on the roads for commutes every day. But, that's the quiet part that he can't say out loud, so he's trying to make it about some moral nonsense argument that he cooked up.

[@Kjf2691]

Same here. More people working remotely, less traffic for me to deal with!!

[@ethanquenum4778]

@@Kjf2691 That's why we love you Sasquatch.

[@Kjf2691]

@@ethanquenum4778 not sure if this is supposed to be negative or positive 🤣

[@KerryLeighBrett]

@@Klako-ls6yt Bravo well said

[@Chainwhips]

Breaking news: Car company CEO thinks workers have a moral obligation to commute to work in cars.

[@michaeltrinh3332]

lmfao

[@superso]

Lol so true

[@innosanto]

Haha

[@RA-wp6th]

He’s so self serving & out of touch.

[@kevinvarghese9919]

Billionaire teaching us morality .. so out of touch... Agree that u have done better than the 99% financially, but can u stop being know all and lecturing

[@Gamepalooza]

Each employer needs to decide the model that makes the best sense for them depending on the type of work and the ability to attract employees. I've had an in office IT job for over 20 years and it was very common to be called to work nights, weekends. holidays and even on vacation in addition to being in the office during normal hours. The company had no problems letting me be a laptop class worker for them on my time in addition to being in the office 5 days a week. Now I'm working full time remotely which is a benefit for me as an employee. I respect Elon in many ways, but this one size fits all opinion doesn't make sense to me.

[@alg0rithm1]

Saying WFH is unfair is like saying salary differences are unfair. It's a larger moral issue emitting greenhouse gases just to work in a different location; not to mention wasting a portion of people's lives commuting.

[@marcwells03]

Consider the millions of people living in small towns, or are disabled and now have productive full time jobs because they are able to work from home.

[@993mike]

I’ve been a critic many times of Musk on his practices of over promising and under delivering with Tesla, but I’m 100% with him on this. Living in Silicon Valley I see the tech mob with their entitled attitude about staying at home for work, where workers in most other industries aren’t afforded that luxury. Folks here became very spoiled during the pandemic, but when it comes to fairness, productivity and collaboration with co-workers, working from the office or wherever your employer needs you to be should be the norm again.

[@marcwells03]

@@wsteele5864 it just ignores the reality of companies that have done work from home for the last 10 years and have been wildly successful.

[@akeem2752]

I agree with you. I live in Chicago, the good jobs are 45mins -1hour drive time up to 2 hours by public transit. I recently got a job I can walk to, it takes 5mins I barely even drive my car anymore.

[@marcwells03]

@@wsteele5864 you’re arguing vs a strawman . Did I ever say universal work from home was the answer? There needs to be a happy medium while using common sense. I work from home in a call center type role. I give better service, with less background noise and my sales have gone way up due to the ability to concentrate.

[@jondoe5590]

The amount of time, auto expenses, an traffic related stress we face on the way to/from work, really makes a big difference in morale/productivity.

[@RidinSpinners36]

You face none of the stress working on a factory floor lmao

[@prodigiii712]

It makes me more productive. I get an adrenaline rush from it.

[@wjrneo2]

Not having to get dressed and spend time driving to/from work makes a huge difference in my work life balance. Gives me back 2hrs a day min. Makes up for allot of the on call rotation time.

[@Jp19981]

​@@prodigiii712You get an adrenaline rush everytime you get assraped in traffic?

[@airruiz]

Being able to actually spend time with your family and raising your kids instead of hours in traffic every day is as moral as it gets.

[@CAESAR_TRADER]

You really miss the point by only talking from your own perspective. What elon is saying is that, from the CEO perspective, it's wrong to grant the privilege of WFH to one group of people, while most laborers would actually need to be physically present at their work site. He probably doesn't want any cracks of divisiveness in his company workforce.

[@AdelCh44]

​@@CAESAR_TRADER So because not everybody is able to WFH, nobody should WFH ? That is pretty dumb, imo.

[@MrWill1729]

@@CAESAR_TRADERwhy should we care about what the CEO says when there are more people under the CEO than the CEO itself? Do you not believe in democracy?

[@SensibiliZation]

​@@sup8447I totally agree with you. Elon has every in interest in keeping the public reliant on cars and wants to create a need to commute. What's ironic is that he talks about moral issues yet he is the 2nd richest man. As if there are no moral issues associated with such centralized wealth.

[@EricSievers79]

This

[@youknowlos]

When your job is to literally be on your laptop all day...yes, it makes sense to work from home. It's not a moral issue. The office needs to justify its existence. Micromanagement or the company "culture" aren't valid enough reasons. Workers are smarter than people give them credit for. If their job responsibilities rely on them being on-site, they'll do so without much pushback. Not to mention, there are smaller companies who now have a larger pool of job candidates thanks to remote work. We don't say enough about the benefits of WFH. There are many winners from this shift, as well.

[@ausabl]

Goodbye to those jobs to China and India.

[@masculineleadership]

Agreed. I do whatever is expected of me in the timeline outlined for me. If there is no timeline, I proceed leisurely. If there is a timeline, it is always done on time. So much time in professional jobs is waiting and down time, does it make sense to negatively affect morale of workers by killing them by boredom, or does it make more sense to have them utilise the down time for whatever they see fit at home? Moreover, I live 1.5 hours driving from my office, on a good day, that's 3 hours lost in commuting. If I moved to the city my rent would increase ALOT, my commute would be roughly 30m - 1hr (depending on where in the city I live), and I would not live near friends and family, and I would have to leave my community, all of which massively positively impact my mental health and thus productivity and willingness to do my job. If they made me move to the city I would find another job, even at a pay cut, to stay in my community, because people matter more to me than money, and cities make me depressed.

[@asolano]

The car business needs commuters. Millions of commuters wasting time and burning fuel so the car industry and the office landlords can make a profit. If your job allows you to WFH it would be morally irresponsible not to.

[@scottgaree7667]

I work face to face with more people from home than I ever could from the office. I often travel to CA to the mothership and then sit for half or more of the day in my hotel or a conference room on video calls. Feels like I'm getting punked.

[@Imzadi]

That “larger pool” is going to be outsourced. I guarantee it.

[@TayOnTech]

By this logic, billionairs shouldn't be billionaires. This is a dumb take.

[@josheden449]

even millionaires don't work from home and you think billionaires work from home, you're deluded. They outsource some of their work, they ''don't work from home''.

[@bbsara0146]

@@josheden449 if a billionaire wanted to work from home they could mate.

[@JuMiMi86]

​@josheden449 He's a billionaire...is it morally wrong that he has billions of dollars while a billion people don't? Isn't unfair distribution of wealth morally wrong?

[@bbsara0146]

@@JuMiMi86 i doubt elon has a billion in cash. all his money is in his companies stock price

[@gbengaomotayo7888]

I think this is about "who is going to buy my car if everybody works from home" most of the CEOs pushing for end to WFH have their profits tied to people going out.

[@yashitdonttouch]

Indeed the fact

[@mynamesnotCrees]

💡

[@b.l.4252]

Great! you get to buy a better one from someone else.

[@bw2273]

The CEOs of cars, Downtown business development planners, and Commercial Real Estate owners are the ones pushing for us to get back in the office. Gee, I wonder why. To hell with commuting 5 days a week, I did it for close to 20 years, I'm never doing it again.

[@sebastianorye2702]

Commuting more to work wont drive up sales😂. Most people either can afford to buy a car or not. Tech companies have made it clear that its decreasing work efficiency on average, and that bringing people back into the work environment is a necessity. What field do you work in, and what type of job/role if you dont mind me asking.

[@Reza-hz1ce]

@@sebastianorye2702 'decreasing work efficiency' citation needed

[@Naresh10511]

Haha translation: drive more buy more cars 🚘

[@sebastianorye2702]

@@Reza-hz1ce Looking for sources, I've found a few from 2021 which claim lower productivity, but in general, 2022 says it increases productivity. Regardless, why else would top tech be pulling people back to offices? They must have seen a negative impact in some way, otherwise, it would be stupid.

[@Reza-hz1ce]

@@sebastianorye2702 where are you seeing that tech companies are pulling people back into offices?

[@TJ-ml4oy]

With that logic, isn’t it a morality issue that CEOs expect to make millions of dollars a year while the people working for their companies are barely making ends meet?

[@anon-il9qf]

Maybe investigate why the economy is in such a bad state that things are as expensive as they are, bud. Things used to be pretty cheap, they're only expensive now because they're scarce and regulation makes them expensive to produce.

[@jameshisself9324]

@@anon-il9qf Yeah, that is the narrative your ceo wants you to focus on. You are literally a republican party stooge. And I am most definitely not a dem, never been one or voted for one.

[@ElUnicoPapiNegrito]

@@anon-il9qf you missed the point. Elon is acting self-righteous by highlighting a "moral" issue with work from home meanwhile he has nothing to say about the wealth gap and the hording of capital.

[@anon-il9qf]

@@ElUnicoPapiNegrito I didn't miss any points loser, "wealth gap" not a problem "hoarding of capital" hoarding is a made up word and concept and is exceptionally rare in history. Hoarding may have actually taken place maybe once or twice in the entire history of the economy. Also that's not an argument, how do you know he has nothing to say elsewhere, you don't, he doesn't have to list his entire catalogue of viewpoints in a single discussion Also you're just calling him a hypocrite, you're not saying his argument is wrong. Stay wrong, bobble head.

[@TJ-ml4oy]

@@anon-il9qf regarded statement of the month award 🥇

[@jewsefjones]

Elon lecturing us on moral issues. I'm good

[@bernardbarry447]

This is the guy so concerned about the plight of the blue collar worker that he’s trying to build his own robots to replace them 😂

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

Benefit them*

[@bernardbarry447]

@@ogzombieblunt4626 some people are beyond parody

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

@@bernardbarry447 Yeah you

[@Alex-pm8wr]

One of the best comments here, @Bernard 👏

[@bernardbarry447]

@@ogzombieblunt4626 oh very clever. He’s literally on record saying an AI will be able to do his job. Why would he keep humans on a production like if he has AI powered humanoid robots. You don’t make any sense.

[@situzifeng]

It's not a moral issue. Eliminating the work from home culture around the world is about driving up demand to buy cars so people can drive to work.

[@Cakebattered]

And make use of the commercial real estate companies own or lease.

[@Yoyowuzgood]

Seriously . He thinks no one can figure it out . What about the climate and less traffic and congestion . Doesn't matter if it doesn't impact his stock price

[@edwardhunt8407]

Sooo.... everyones working from home now.... Where does all the stuff come from then?

[@user-ow1bn6qv8q]

For someone who has claimed for years to be working against climate change and pollution, he certainly is pushing hard for everyone to spend hours per day polluting and consuming energy on a meaningless commute.

[@user-ow1bn6qv8q]

@@edwardhunt8407 White collar jobs versus blue collar jobs. Use some common sense. His argument is white collar jobs (sitting in front of a computer) should be worked from the office to make blue collar workers feel better. Silly argument.

[@PamelaAubrey]

It doesn’t get more ironic than this. As someone who started out working in fast food, paid her way through college, worked decades of horrible corporate and 9-5 jobs, and is now part of the “elite laptop class”, he’s the last person that gets to weigh in on my “morality” for working from home. I still work over 40 hours a week most weeks. He’s the reason people still go to factories to work, not us. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. And if anyone is living in Lala land, it’s him.

[@cooldude30552]

Calm down Pamela 😂😂

[@PamelaAubrey]

@@cooldude30552 just facts.

[@cooldude30552]

@@PamelaAubrey no way you actually responded Pamela 😂😂😂😂

[@rosiemackenzie5976]

While I understand some of your point of view, I too have worked incredibly hard my whole life, some of your thinking is off. Elon spends more time at his factory than he does at home, and works more hours than most people, I know, he is very much a grass roots kind of guy, to say he is living in la la land is absurd. Things don't just make themself. Pretty much everything you get to enjoy someone somewhere had to put it together.

[@a.jherbert5436]

@@rosiemackenzie5976 no, he doesn't, no, he doesn't, and no, he's not.

[@Sara-mf3px]

I use to spend over 2 hours a day in the car, $300 a month in parking, $250 on gas… I refuse to go back. Time with my kid is everything.

[@OffTheCover]

Exactly! Elon doesn't value time with family at all.

[@GeorgeFitness-yo8bl]

@@OffTheCover How in the world would you know that? What a preposterous comment!

[@OffTheCover]

@@GeorgeFitness-yo8bl if he forces people to sleep in the factories during covid, he disrespects a lot more than just families. Stop drinking the kool-aid and wake up.

[@GeorgeFitness-yo8bl]

@@OffTheCover Put the pipe down . He’s an entrepreneur and a creator and you talk gibberish on KZbin

[@OffTheCover]

@@GeorgeFitness-yo8bl And what exactly do you do? Only 5 subscribers? Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and do something. Otherwise, you're just projecting your own insecurities.

[@superso]

Elon musk flies in a private jet anytime he wants. It’s morally wrong for him to be able to do this but his factory workers can’t

[@anon-il9qf]

🤣I don't think that's the problem chief, why don't you stop talking for a while

[@Neojhun]

@@anon-il9qf Yes it is, he falsely thinks it's morally wrong because it's soo easy for him. Give me a Real driver that can handle traffic in asia and private jet, sure i'll commute to work.

[@anon-il9qf]

@@Neojhun 🤣No its not, jets are expensive by definition, getting everybody to fly around on jets is a bit of a insane request It's like saying "well the king has the Louvre, why can't WE have the louvre, i.e. every single person who works for him, all 10,000 of us"

[@32gigs96]

@@anon-il9qf genius, they’re pointing out that Elon is doing the same thing here… if your job doesn’t allow working from home then cope.

[@cryMoreLoL]

He literally owns the fkn company. If he decides to snort coke all day with hookers he can as long as workers get paid.

[@ackerman7899]

Working from office is a disaster when your boss only measure your performance based on your attendance/presence at office (instead of how good you are at your job).

[@b.l.4252]

it is a very nebulous concept called Discipline.

[@chiquita683]

Many people would say doing layoffs when a company brings in billions of dollars of revenue is morally wrong just because the company wants to maintain a profit margin

[@Joseph1NJ]

The moral wrong is the 21st century disparity between CEO and worker compensation. Its historically never been this astronomically wide.

[@kkaner181]

If the company does not maintain a profit margin the company will fail and then no one will have a job there.

[@park_papi]

Jobs don’t exist to employ people. Jobs exist to accomplish something the company needs. When there’s a recession companies often need to accomplish less and save more.

[@sterlthepearl1000]

"If you don't design your own life's plan. Chances are you'll fall into somebody else's plan. And guess what they have planned for you? Not much." Jim Rohn

[@sterlthepearl1000]

@@park_papi Or they can choose to be more resourceful, instead of believing they have to conserve their resources because they believe there is a limited resource.

[@CalgarGTX]

Biggest thing I disagree with Musk on. The accumulated stress and fatigue from commute traffic jams ruins productivity and morale as well as all the meaningless distractions around your office desk or worse, open space. Like people coming to interrupt you for no reason other than they didn't feel like working right then. And so on. Not missing it one bit. As a sysadmin I've way too often felt like my actual productivity started when everybody else was starting to leave the building. And needless to say was getting way more done on the actual work from home days. (Thanks covid for that realization) Just because a significant proportion of the workforce has to be there physically to get things done doesn't mean everybody has to be, thats dangerously similar to leftist bs logic of 'if a few are suffering we should all go down to their level and suffer with them'. What does that accomplish ? Nothing good.

[@m0ose0909]

100% - Elon is basically making the leftist "equity" argument, but only in this very specific case where he thinks it benefits him and his companies. Very hypocritical.

[@amsa1076]

Elon doesn't give a damn about factory workers. He is just using them to desperately try and make an excuse to call people back to offices. Even a 5 yr old would spot his counterfeit arguments.

[@Rackstack234]

Agreed with you completely up to your last comment 😂 It sounded like you were priveliged and lacked empathy for others. I'm assuming you're against things like free healthcare for all

[@CalgarGTX]

@@Rackstack234 No, people who lack empathy are the ones that try to drag everybody down to the most miserable state of being 'because its equal'. Louis Rossmann put it in a better way than me in his video reacting to the same Musk comment, he said it is insane to think that because the people fixing his building are working outside in the sun that him as a privileged member of the of the soldering iron class working inside, should have to move their desk outside to share their burden.

[@vimal-cliobconsulting]

​@@Rackstack234 shut up

[@Shmeckos]

It's like saying that it's a moral issue that programmers get to sit down all day while other jobs require manual labor. Jobs have different requirements, and if your job can be done to the same degree from home, you should be allowed to work from home

[@Scott100W]

The morale issue (if you already work on-site) is that if you push to work from home instead then there will be less demand for support staff on-site(cleaners, cooks, security etc..), people will lose jobs as a result. I don't really understand this argument EM is making though, I don't care if your job requires you to leave the house, if I don't have to then it would be illogical af to do so purely out of solidarity.

[@seanmartin8481]

It’s really not done to the same degree though.

[@Takumawakanda]

He’s just mad crying cuz he owns a car company he needs people out there on the roads using his crap tech as cattle to collect data etc his machine food is in a deficit not a surplus …..working from home is a threat to his business less people out there ….that’s all this is but he can’t say that out loud ..he’s big mad and he can cry some more 😂 I hope millions of people work from now cuz it’s funny

[@b.l.4252]

it's all good if you are ok without interaction with co-workers who may have some insight to enlighten you. if your co-workers are all stupid, stay home.

[@b.l.4252]

it's all good if you are ok without interaction with co-workers who may have some insight to enlighten you. if your co-workers are all stupid, stay home. BGL

[@quickhug6075]

As a programmer, I guess I am morally bankrupted for not breaking a sweat and sitting indoor all day doing my work while many workers need to do exhausting physical work under the sun...

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

To an extent, if you don't value other employees to interact with them phydically to some extent you are in an ivory tower.

[@ufgbkgchehshid8115]

Your a programmer you know good and well your making the kost strawmam of strawmans possible. Your job is entirely focused on computers, like you know exactly what he means yet you choose to be mad its patheic

[@TheNativeTwo]

I am a software engineer but worked for years in construction from plumbing to landscaping. And now as an engineer, I see my spoiled coworkers complaining and whining about the most ridiculous miniscule things. They have never worked a hard day in their life and I'm guessing you haven't either. So, yeah, you have no perspective on what it is like to work hard to keep civilization running, but I'm pretty sure you think you do and I'm pretty sure you have some kinda moral explanation for why you deserve your ivory tower. I am constantly amazed about the things we complain about in tech, and don't even realize we are the modern equivalent of the Kings and Lords of ancient times.

[@innerDialectic]

​@@ufgbkgchehshid8115 yet he expects him to commute into an office when you just acknowledged his job is to do with computers which can be done the same or better from home?

[@innerDialectic]

​@@TheNativeTwo I think you mean Elon musk, not regular people who managed to break into the upper middle class through hard work and grit.

[@canonicalbogdan]

It's morally "wrong" for you to have billions when others get evicted from home, but you don't see people trying to take his privilege from him. Same goes for the "laptop class". If you are able to do your work from anywhere in the world, you certainly will do that and avoid shitheads that broadcast themselves as "technology leader", but won't let people use technology to be present wherever they want. It's the same as not using automatic cars because it's morally wrong that "other people have to use manual shifter".

[@vincediana4814]

Love your analogy! Definitely stealing it

[@ianto8823]

These tech leaders are full of crap. Elon says he works 7 days a week but he counts doing the Joe Rogan podcast as work. There is a difference between repetitive tasks 7 days a week or 40-hrs a week and what he does. People need to work for something.

[@canonicalbogdan]

@@ianto8823 Living in a bubble, you see it happening everywhere in different contexts.

[@malikwilson2477]

He earned those Billions. He provides countless jobs.

[@Vandicoup]

"I work 7 days a week, but I'm not expecting others to do that." Same exact reasoning you can apply for the work from home issue. Just because some have to do it doesn't automatically mean everyone should. You can't nor shouldn't expect everyone to do the same thing. Times have changed, and for the better.

[@trubnikov]

Amen.

[@bryan1956]

you are just a keyboard warrior. You think you know more than a guy who can literally buy all the moms in the world, and turn them into milfs?

[@xf10036]

No, it's not a moral issue.

[@davidanalyst671]

CNBC was pushing the idea of work from home ever since the pandemic hit in order to cause more chaos. Just like the federal reserves main mission is chaos, just like the CIA causing chaos, just like CNN chaos, just like trump, chaos....

[@stanner6169]

Elon lost me on this what the heck is he talking about, some people scrub toilets whilst others work in an air conditioned office, is that a moral issue? Dude made no sense.

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

Its an ivory tower issue.

[@crepooscul]

@@ogzombieblunt4626 Ironic then that the CEO of tesla and a bunch of other companies would complain about ivory towers. Does he spend all the time in the offices of all his companies?

[@crepooscul]

@@egeb No it isn't shill. How quick you are to defend your capitalistic cult of personality when it comes to pitching the working class against each other.

"Does that seem morally right?" - dumbest statement anyone ever said about WFH 😂😂

[@TadRaunch]

I'm someone who has worked in kitchens my whole life, and I have no qualms with people working from home if they can. I have to go to a job because that's where my stock is, my equipment is, and where my customers are... but that's my line of work. It's no skin off my nose if some computer programmer gets to work from home. I'm not sitting in my kitchen grinding my teeth 'cause some people work from home. What even kind of argument is that?

[@b3at2]

Elon trying to pit workers of different industries against each other with a bad faith argument about fairness shows just how morally bankrupt Elon is.

[@TB1M1]

Its completely correct. It is unfair, because a heart surgeon cannot do that remotely. Elon is trying to get the orchestra to play together the only way you can do that is if everyone plays together in the same room at the same time. Intonation is key. If you work from home do you even exist, it's an anti social, anti human existance.

[@b3at2]

@@TB1M1 Heart surgeon (thanks to robotics) can perform operations remotely.

[@sterlthepearl1000]

@@TB1M1 Right. Working from home won't entirely solve the world's biggest challenges it has today. We all need each other, for each of us needs all of us. Teamwork makes The Dream work.

[@SunnyForestTarot]

I like Elon Musk. He’s wrong on this issue. The place where you happen to sit with your computer does not matter. Saving gas money, lunch money, work clothes, and commute time DOES matter! Corporate America definitely equates some level of misery with “work” and that is the problem. People are tired of being miserable when it is completely unnecessary. Work culture is always toxic, but my home is peaceful. Where do you think I will produce more? Plus I start at 630am….because I’m an early bird. Plus everyone chooses how productive they are no matter where they sit.

[@marco83]

I don't think we should have a billionaire with a private jet telling us about moral issues.

[@nunyabiznes80085]

Are you saying that you can't be a billionaire, with a private jet and be a moral person?

[@JaydenLawson]

@@nunyabiznes80085 checkmate

[@bludika]

He works harder than you ever will, so what about it? He doesn’t even go back to some fancy mansion, he sleeps on the couch and floors of the factory, he’s putting in more work than you ever will

[@tobylots]

Please explain further?

[@ABanRocks]

​@Nunya Biznes yes.

[@ZrianFilms]

Did not see Elon taking the morality route 🤣🤣

[@ahsanmohammed1]

Exactly. His Donald Trump invitation to Twitter tweet.

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

And?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

You didn't hear about him working beside the line workers? Sleeping in the factory? O......k

[@blankjohnson6934]

There are a lot of things wrong with this guy, I am not even going the moral route

[@louistran016]

dude who sells cars think everyone should commute to work 🤡

[@mkedzier123]

Elon Musk talking to people about morality - that's rich.

[@WildlifeWarrior-cr1kk]

Go away

[@rc7625]

​@@WildlifeWarrior-cr1kkGo back to slobbering over Elmo's boots.

[@MichaelJCaboose013]

Work from home is justified from a moral standpoint. We shouldn't bring people down to a worse living situation just because someone else has it bad. We don't take houses away from everyone who could have one just because there are some people who don't have one. We don't ban people from eating dairy just because there are some people who can't have it and they would feel bad seeing others enjoy something they can't have. Why place an outdated and unneeded burden on people just on the off chance that it hurts their coworker's feelings? There certainly are folks who cannot work from home due to the nature of their work, and hats off to them, but they should be paid/compensated more, rather than artificially making things worse for others.

[@SethLT]

No, you're not allowed to make sense here.

[@Mike-dd8bd]

You gotta understand though that most people do not work from home though. From recent stats 12% are fully remote and 20-25% are hybrid. Even high paying jobs like healthcare, lawyers, and scientist etc are working full time on site. We spend so much time trying to make this small percentage of the work force happy when most people do not benefit from it.

[@lreez977]

Moreover, if this is truly an issue of morality to you. Your solution should be attempting to figure out ways to allow your workers who have to come in to experience the benefits of working from home. Most ppl like wfh because it gives them more autonomy over their own lives.

[@user-hf2dr7sh4y]

I say this as a programmer that did his decade's worth of physical labor and mindless toil, and had to sit on the total of 2 to 4 hour commutes on the regular for years. the more people that work from home the less traffic on highways, and roads, and the lower the rents are because people can spread out, rather than be clustered around expensive urban centers. that means people that cant work from home dont have to be stuck for hours in traffic to get home to their families and or can actually afford to live closer to the areas they are bound to find good paying employment. this message coming from Elon, literally the greediest, most tax-hating and childish man in the universe is a miss. the reality is that the commercial real estate owning class of major urban centers stands to amass huge losses, and they want people with families in the laptop class to bear those heavy losses by sitting on traffic for hours and going out to the local starbucks. these people do not care about the people that cant work from home, or they would do everything in their power to lower the cost of rents, or increase wages, or lower the cost of owning a home. so they can keep the BS roling in all they want.

[@m0ose0909]

​@@Mike-dd8bdwho is "spending time" on it? all they need to do is use existing communication technology that companies use already since they are largely distributed. If anything, having more people in the office just means they need to do more to maintain the office

[@ValeskaVallve]

It’s not a moral issue. There are fields of job that can be worked from home which not only is good for the environment as they are not driving for example. And there are jobs like supermarkets or assembling cars and rockets that need a hands on.

[@Bryan-fb8dh]

It is moral. If anything its moral. You rationalize home work but if 99 percent of people suffer so life happens and your argument is save money on gas, your immoral. Your suffering as small as it is, is not more important than a trash mans with 3 kids. It is a moral argument. Just admit your dont have morals. Most dont its ok.

[@TB1M1]

Remote workers undermine all the other site workers who bothered to turn up on site at their own cost. It's fundamentally unfair. The orchestra must play in the same room, together to create music.

[@sterlthepearl1000]

“Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma, which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.” Steve Jobs

[@arisejeff]

I’m watching this in my bed as I take a break working from home

[@matthewchandler2019]

Love it

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

Cringe

[@masculineleadership]

Nice

[@bobjinessr7957]

Same

[@christophergill871]

Enjoy let’s see how long it last 😂

[@salvadorpuente8716]

I'm not sure I would call working from home a moral issue but if Elon is going to play that card it opens up a lot of other issues. Childcare for starters. Is it fair that childcare is insanely expensive and letting people work from home will save a family up to $2000 per month without necessarily sacrificing productivity? Elon knows better than to play the "fairness card." He's a billionaire who can afford a dozen people to take care and cook for his children. Get off your high horse Elon,,,, you're so out of touch with reality.

[@J-qwert]

Technology during the Pandemic has proven that in 2023 we can do work and meetings online just fine. You can work 40 hours at work, but stress and exhaustion while commuting are eating away your and your family’s lives. Ppl also want to move close to work, but obviously employers like Elon don’t want to pay more. So only solution he is suggesting is that we drive 2 hrs to go to work, work 8 hours, and then drive 2 hours to go back home. This works only if we don’t care about our wellbeing. Life is short and spend wisely your time not for work, but for you and your family

[@robertruschak7083]

Socialist want free everything

[@FreshTuna]

Yeah and he literally cut paid maternal leave at Twitter. This guy is on a politician's level at this point

[@jbar_85]

People should consider childcare costs prior to having a child including daycare. Not everyone is blessed to “work remotely”.

[@FreshTuna]

@jessbarnett well he could definitely contribute by providing paid leave because he literally has talked about how important it is for people to have children multiple times. He seems to want people to have children and then buy a tesla and drive to work everyday in a traffic jam of other teslas 🤣

[@Manila-wo3pi]

I work from home and LOVE it! More work gets done, no commute stress, less stress/drama with constant office politics and forced connections in the office and I'm available for my family. Elon has a load of kids and in every interview never fails to mention he works 7 days a week. He'll be an old man who made many changes in the world but what about the time with his most precious people HE helped create. Billionaires don't impress me and I'm not taking advice from someone who has their priorities all wrong. This is my life and I'll do what's best for me and my family. Adults shouldn't control or even want to control other adults. If the works done then it's good and if someone doesn't get the work done then fire them. Simple. All these gadget's monitoring work from home only tell me the boss lacks the very basic ability to monitor what's being handed in and someone I would never work for anyways. My talent will go where like minded people exist and we'll continue to flourish. Keep restraining people and they'll keep pushing back, move with the times CEO's.

[@edgardiaz2264]

You’re a lazy woman, stop pretending you do more work in your pjs 😂😂😂

[@edgardiaz2264]

Yeah I rather listen to a billionaire rather than your average Joe. Hope you have some money saved for your children.

[@edgardiaz2264]

@CinemaEnthusiast-gb1zd Im speaking for the 90% of lazy people from home. Just like your statement, sure I agree most of people at work are lazy too but not everyone.

[@achuadz]

Who says work from home is not work ? Somedays i would rather be a barista rather than being on a computer for 8 hrs

[@namki1744]

By saying that it's unfair that some people can work from home, he admits himself that working from the office sucks

[@CurtisJBergerJr]

No he’s just admitting it’s easier and less productive

[@yuri0001]

@@CurtisJBergerJr It's not less productive, on the contrary. Elon is a liar.

[@strai8665]

People doing those jobs also have to work on their feet all day. We should probably take away your chair. Its a moral issue.

[@dennispena5496]

I like working from home. I can work as late as I want. (and I do) but if I'm at the office, I am very reluctant to stay and work late. Especially with so much distractions at work, people keep walking in front of your desk, or coming by to bother you about nothing when you're knee deep in something. I think Elon was trying to make the issue too black and white---this or that kinda thing. It's a very limited perspective/viewpoint, as they say spiritually. There is no one right solution. Wfh works for me. Some jobs work well with it, some don't.

[@Alex-pm8wr]

@Dennis, totally agreed. Too black and white

[@innerDialectic]

​@@oldfox6355 if the only way for you to demonstrate value at your job is by commuting to the office everyday you have more things to worry about

[@innerDialectic]

@@oldfox6355 yeah you can demonstrate all that fine once a week or 3-4 times a month when there is an actual social reason to be in the office. 80 percent of the time people spend on individual work - you know this as well. There's also a ceiling/tradeoff on the amount of interpersonal time that is actually valuelable and I'm pretty sure the gap between having your manager see your face twice a week vs 5 times a week isn't going to rob you of that promotion. Spending 6-8 hours every week on commuting isn't exactly a productive way to advance your career.

[@FrederickFIintstone]

@@oldfox6355 What a dumb post. The company will incur much more expense rewriting all of the terrible code that $7 hire will write. You clearly have zero experience in the industry.

[@user-hf2dr7sh4y]

I say this as a programmer that did his decade's worth of physical labor and mindless toil, and had to sit on the total of 2 to 4 hour commutes on the regular for years. the more people that work from home the less traffic on highways, and roads, and the lower the rents are because people can spread out, rather than be clustered around expensive urban centers. that means people that cant work from home dont have to be stuck for hours in traffic to get home to their families and or can actually afford to live closer to the areas they are bound to find good paying employment. this message coming from Elon, literally the greediest, most tax-hating and childish man in the universe is a miss. the reality is that the commercial real estate owning class of major urban centers stands to amass huge losses, and they want people with families in the laptop class to bear those heavy losses by sitting on traffic for hours and going out to the local starbucks. these people do not care about the people that cant work from home, or they would do everything in their power to lower the cost of rents, or increase wages, or lower the cost of owning a home. so they can keep the BS rolling in all they want.

[@w2385-i2s]

The real 'moral issue' is CEO are making 1,000 times more than the workers.

[@DudeWhatHappened]

And taking 1,000 times more risk as well.

[@DapperDan-n4v]

@@DudeWhatHappened Mega LOLs pal. Elon's businesses are funded by rich people and take massive government subsidies. If it all went down tomorrow, the tax payer would be the biggest loser. Elon would still be rich.

[@sidpomy]

What Elon is saying here is idiotic, but he makes that much money because he owns shares in the company that he created. His salary (aka his share of the revenue) is not astronomically higher than his employees. Tesla would have to be worth nothing in the stock market for the money he "makes" to be comparable to his employees - at which point they'd all make nothing because the company would be bankrupt.

[@passenger175]

That is not a moral issue. If you want more, ask or leave and go elsewhere. Or create your own business and pay everyone the same as your own profits. Your moral compass will re-center quick.

[@annpc8266]

@@DudeWhatHappened how does the boot taste,did you work hard today so your boss can buy another car ?

[@william.darrigo]

The issue is that laptop class, which doesnt really matter if they work in office or at home, are just not that productive in general. Most of the time is spent in meetings or sending emails. Yet they get paid absurdly compared to service workers. Thats the moral issue.

[@MurderTwoOne]

That's just capitalism. Capitalists paying those people whatever they want to pay them regardless of the work they do.

[@jondoe5590]

@@MurderTwoOne Google capitalism before you post nonsense. In a true capitalist market, the hard workers and result orientated get compensated well while their less driven counterparts, don't.

[@392023001]

The more skilled you are, the more you get paid. That's how the world works lol. You can't expect a cashier at a fast food restaurant to make the same amount or more than a structural engineer at a consulting firm can you?

[@jasonscott4366]

Thats simply not true at all

[@ScorchedEarthRevenge]

You believe everything Elon tells you, don't you? 😂

[@im_that_guy]

I have never been more productive, happier, or been able to save this much time on commuting in years. Not only this, but raising children becomes an option again now I'm available more often where this previously wasn't an option. This is one of the best working privileges afforded to workers since maybe the 8-hour day. This is nothing more than an attack on employee rights, and we should all stand up to it. CEO's get to do it, and so should we.

[@dcj3831]

Raising children becomes an option again????? Hmmmmmmmm…..so if you were paying someone to care for your child would you be okay with them doing a different full time job while they are supposed to be watching your child? Or is the care of your child too important to do while distracted? And if you are working from home WHILE caring for your child, is there anyway that you could possibly be as productive in your work while also being certain your child is safe/Fed/entertained? If your employer pays you to speak on the phone with customers and your toddler has a toddler fit and you have to end a call with an important client to address the child issue is that fair to your employer who is paying you to be on that call???

[@im_that_guy]

@@dcj3831 I don't work in customer service. I'd have more time to raise children as I won't be stuck in traffic during long unnecessary commutes any more. I never said I'd be raising children on my employer's dime. Plus, my current employers don't care what I do when I'm not looking on my screen. So long as my work gets done, no one is bothered. It's a win-win for everyone.

[@bigdummy603]

@@dcj3831 what a dogshit argument. A lot of mouth breathing Stans on this one. Do you have any idea the cost of childcare?

[@ogorhenry7154]

It is immoral to be worth over $200billion when some people are unable afford basic necessities of life.

[@m0ose0909]

exactly, is insanely hypocritical for him to make some class-based argument as one of the wealthiest human beings who has ever lived. insanity.

[@pnwflipper2089]

If you are able to work from home, than why not? Some of the office buildings might be converted to apartments to end the housing crisis. That is a moral win. Also the decrease in pollution and traffic. Also the increase in the ability for parents to see kids off to school without before-school care. The ability of parents to keep sick kids home. Our dog loves that my husband can work from home because he isn’t lonely all day. My husband can bring packages that get delivered inside. He can let the HVAC or appliance repair guy in without having to take a half day of personal leave. There are just so many benefits. Not every job can be accomplished from home, but not everyone wants to work from home. I don’t think Elon will get much support on this

[@danieluhl6131]

I'm sure the people who don't work from home appreciate the fact that it means their commutes will take less time, and that their families will benefit even though they must go to work outside the home.

[@Cakebattered]

That's actually very insightful. Boston traffic decreases dramatically during the summer when most college students leave for summer. Workers in Boston love the shorter commutes.

[@user-ow1bn6qv8q]

Not to mention those working from home aren't polluting the environment for hours a day during their commute.

[@Brandon-tk2rw]

what a laptop class thing to say

[@danieluhl6131]

@@Brandon-tk2rw And a haughty condescension to you, too.

[@dillonkayser4215]

He’s really speaking on the people who feel they’re too good to need to show up to work. The laptop class is living in lala land. While on my laptop, working from home (entrepreneurially) I couldn’t agree more.

[@jumpman23madj1]

Elon Musk has been right about a number of things. Work from home is not one of them.

[@alankardissi2519]

"Elon must was wrong about almost everything, this is just one of them" here i fixed it for you

[@IRetr_0]

@@alankardissi2519 The muskrat fans are starting to turn on him. Give this guy some time and he'll start seeing how much of a grifter elon is.

[@That_One_Guy...]

It's time to get off that dickriding, this guy isn't your savior or father figure

[@vimal-cliobconsulting]

I think the same

[@wildlifewarrior2670]

@@alankardissi2519 you didn't fix anything

[@danieljohnson9147]

Some people work better alone from home

[@chri6393]

Ceo makes over 800 times the average worker pay.....teach me morals lol

[@brendanjephcott2239]

Work hard to become CEO :)

[@jain78343]

He wasn't gifted the position.

[@twitchgirl9760]

Then become a CEO yourself Why don't you

[@crepooscul]

@@brendanjephcott2239 Yeah, he worked real hard for his inheritance lmao

[@crepooscul]

@@jain78343 True, he bought it with his inheritance and tricked others with his cunning psychopathy.

[@markwalker112]

“Morally wrong” LOL! I believe in a free marketplace. Therefore I’m free to find work that suits my needs. I’m a VERY productive employee working from home compared to constantly being distracted by others in a cubicle environment. As far as I know building cars at home isn’t and won’t be a thing in the near future.

[@GARIMITO]

Elon is wrong here. There is no moral issue.

[@infinityprodinc]

Its a "you need to come to the office so you need a car...might as well make it a tesla" issue

[@masculineleadership]

I don't think he's like that

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

Nope

[@sing10278]

Don’t tell me you don’t own a car because you work from home.

[@deelove9375]

Exactly he's just tryna get richer

[@crepooscul]

@@sing10278 I work from home, and now I'm even more glad I don't have a car. Same as my brother, but he could not work to the office without a car since he's far away from his job.

[@johnwick884]

Exactly…i think Elon is a control freak and he likes to have 100% control and doing micromanagement. That’s why he hates it. But people who can work from home and thanks to many new applications it’s super easy. I am super productive when I work from home because I don’t need to drive to work 30/40 min and go through rush hour what stresses me a lot. Train and bus is even worse because they are full and I need 1,5 hours to go from door to door. So 3 hours are lost. I need to prepare food for work at the evening so additionally 30-60 min are lost. And I have more gas cost for my car and many other things. When I work from home I can start working earlier and end working earlier. Or I can sleep longer. I am instantly at Home when I close my laptop so I have no time on the streets to waste. I am instantly with my family and can spent time with them. Elon musk is a workaholic. His life is based on work. He lives to work. He doesn’t work to live. He is a working machine and he does great things. But he is a bad employer and boss in my opinion. You can’t compare these other jobs with office jobs. And he is so much for saving the environment. But if more people work from home, less cars would waste the air (and less cars would be sold ;) ). Less office building would be needed. Home office was not possible for auch a long time because we had not the possibility due to slow technology. And it’s proven that productivity increased in Corona times when everybody worked from home and it decreased after it. He’s comparing office workers with people in the factory. But I know some benefits from people in the factory, which I don’t have as someone in the office. Most people I know who work in factories have fixed working times. For example, they start at 6 AM and finish work at 2:30 PM. Then the next shift takes over. They don’t need to worry about if the work is done or not when they leave the next shift will take over and they will continue your work where you finished on that day. Me, for my part can not do that every time I do way more overtime than people in the factories. If we go with Elon’s logic, that would mean that it should be forbidden to make overtime in the office. Most people from the factory I know are shocked when I tell them how many overtime I have. It doesn’t mean that I do two hours plus every day, but in summary, I do way more than most factory workers. It’s not fair to comparing them factory worker can leave way earlier and have less overtimes so, in my opinion, it’s just fair to work from home if you can, and save a lot of time.

[@sebastianorye2702]

While i definitely resonate with what your saying, lets not forget that he is in the realm of engineering, so most of what he is saying is based on that. I personally know many who like WFH flexibility like once max twice a week, but still coming into the office. The matter is that Tesla SpaceX Twitter as well as many other giants have noticed a general decrease in productivity, which they have combated by eliminating pure WFH to either none or a hybrid. Now add on the ethical argument of you being able to work from home but your coworkers and the vast majority of the workforce not, but that’s just one of the many ethical inequalities, but it could create a bad environment and team sprit/respect internally. I remember my father during lockdown having this dilemma on his hands. He had the option but his coworkers didn’t, and that was during a heath scare as well. Regardless, i think as he said, there are exceptions to this rule, and his argument doesn’t sound that unreasonable.

[@johnwick884]

@@sebastianorye2702 I am not really with you. I most people I know, and I work in the office want min 50% Home Office or even more. As ia said, the productivity was INCREASING while corona and definitely not decreasing. there are many studies. And that makes sense because I realized it at myself. Because I get so much more fexlibilty and time for other thing like hobbies and because I dont need go through the traffic in the morning and after work made me WAY more fit, more alert and full of energy. I was just much more balanced. This was true for at least 80% of the colleagues I know. They act as if you're lying on your back at home. what counts is the result. And as long as I get mine done, it doesn't matter where I do it. Someone who lies in bed in the home office and doesn't do anything immediately stands out. Fact. You can set fixed days to meet in the office, but whoever thinks that banning or not offering home office would be smart will lose in the long run. Currently there is a shortage of workers and it is important as an employer to offer attractive benefits. And home office is one of the top 3 things that employees expect. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

[@Georgeionescu205]

The guy is a huge narcisist,he just doesnt care about people

[@michaelweber4705]

Dude a billionaire and he’s going to pull the “let them eat cake” line.

[@aman888]

Bad analogy. Elon works as much, if not, more than his employee.

[@michaelweber4705]

@@aman888I’m sorry, but did you make it 37 seconds into the video or do you not know what an analogy is?

[@aman888]

@@michaelweber4705 what a silly comparison you're making, Elon Musk is not the Marie Antoinette type.

[@michaelweber4705]

I didn’t make the comparison. Watch the video. He brought up the comparison. Also he is the elite in today’s society. He is literally the second richest person in the world!

[@insight1428]

His ‘morally wrong argument is idiotic. Its like saying “other people don’t get paid more than minimum wage, why should you, that’s messed up”. Just cause someone else has it worse off doesn’t mean everyone else should as well.

[@redwannesredin6579]

Well he lives in the factory. So technically he’s working from home.

[@digitalevidenceexpert7964]

I have a long career in Silicon Valley at high tech companies. I've noticed that those who ask to work from home are typiclally the low performers who try to hide from their supervisors while in the office so that they don't get additional assignments. They also take any task they are given and try to make it last as long as possible so that they can do less work. It doesn't surprise me that the most lazy workers are also the same workers who ask to work from home. The highest performing workers are the ones who come in to work every day and never want to ask to work from home.

[@Shadowcat1954]

I've seen just the opposite happening with two close friends that started working from home during the pandemic. They are constantly working day in and at night. Often until 10 p.m. or midnight. Their companies are really leveraging them, and no overtime pay!!

[@Shadowcat1954]

I think that depends on the company. It's a shame the lazy workers may be ruining that option for the non-lazy workers. But, look around. Have you noticed how almost all the folks that have to be on the job are hiding out and on their cell phones? Mostly customer service types or store employees. Now, some are lounging around chatting and cursing with other co-workers. Previously, that resulted in a written warning, or it was a fireable offense. Grocery stores. Retail stores, etc. So, you can have workers report to the office, but they definitely waste time. Unless they work in a production type job. Like cars. Or, on an assrmbly line. Or, in the food industry, etc. There is no validity to all folks that work from home being lazy and negatively impacting productivity. Plus, unfortunately, when they work extra hours from home, there is no overtime pay.

[@FedtTony]

I would have to work from home for 3 million years to reach his level of wealth. I think that's a moral issue.

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

Nope, hard work does not mean productivity.

[@FedtTony]

@@ogzombieblunt4626 But if one person has it, everyone should, otherwise it's morally wrong! That's Elon's reasoning, not mine.

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

@@FedtTony Nope, thats not a good analogy.

[@FedtTony]

@@ogzombieblunt4626 Explain why instead of just saying nope. He is saying "the laptop class" should give up privileges in solidarity with others. Should that not apply to him as well? People working different jobs have different salaries & privileges, that's how the world works. Musk is so far disconnected from normal people that to him everyone is just "a worker".

[@canilaughinyourface2556]

@@ogzombieblunt4626 just shut it fanboy

[@nla1605]

Who’s gonna buy his cars if everyone works from home? Talking about reducing carbon footprint for commuting but not when you can’t sell or make his car 😅

[@dino20999]

Exactly. I was planning to buy car but i drive less than 200 miles per month now. So my 12 years old car does fine.

[@tonemeister2318]

I disagree. By an ev or take transit if you actually care about the environment. Working from home is a luxury that all of us should not expect

[@Random_dud31]

@Tonemeister 23 but, from working from home, your carbon foot print is practically zero(for work commute) Also, why aren't telling that to musk who uses a private jet to travel around

[@commandersprocket]

The point of FSD is that *nobody* will need to buy the cars. Selling cars is just a springboard to FSD. It's better for Tesla (after they launch FSD) if they own all the cars. The cars are a provider of transportation as a service. People and goods will still need to travel.

[@nla1605]

A large number of workers can WFH. Pandemic proved it. I just don’t like how he framed WFH has moral issues. Then how do you say those making so much money feel about minimum wagers? Elon?

[@Martin-ho1ww]

Elon thinks it morally wrong to expect to work from home when others can't. He can do what he wants, when he wants as a multi-billionaire, when others can't. What the hell is his point!?

[@zekew2418]

If you want to work from home, become a farmer like me, I seldom leave the farm for more than a few hours and sometimes go days without leaving the farm.

[@trashyraccoon2615]

What do you farm?

[@Lucas-hb1uq]

I play farming simulator at home on my laptop. Just wire me into your equipment and it’s a win win.

[@masculineleadership]

​@@Lucas-hb1uqbeam me up Scotty 😂

[@twitchgirl9760]

I play Farm Frenzy in my computer 😂😂😂😂

[@zekew2418]

@@trashyraccoon2615 I like all the virtual farmers out there, my son liked those simulators, now more into the violent killing games:( I have a non certified organic/regenerative market farm, of 15 Acres, 1/2 acre is gardened utilizing permanent no till beds and a 30 x100' high tunnel that helps here in WI, zone 5. I mostly grow annual veg for two local farmer markets and sales off farm. I also produce shiitake on approximately 2500 oak logs I cultivate in the woods. I am expanding the perennial soft fruits (berries) I grow for market. Growing blueberries, gooseberries, goji berries, red and black currents, raspberries, strawberries, elderberries, honeyberries, bush cherries currently. Also have some nut and fruit trees that should start producing this year, they are a young orchard. Have some chickens, geese and turkeys wandering around to keep things interesting, also a cow and some goats to do the mowing of grassy areas. Have-not started my lawn mower for years. Its not a high paying career, but much more rewarding than the 30 years I spent as a chemist for Pharma companies.

[@kevink3688]

I wonder whether Elon thinks being extremely wealthy is a moral issue as well?

[@Fawne-b1q]

If he wants to work 7 days a week and sleep for 6 hours, that's his choice. Other people have other priorities in life and prefer different work-life balance.

[@BuzzMashy]

As long as people get their work done, I really don't care as a manager. That said, of course it depends on the kind of work, and teams should get together face to face once I'm a while to maintain the social connection with each other.

[@FrederickFIintstone]

"teams should get together face to face once I'm a while to maintain the social connection with each other" Why? I have no interest in a social connection with you or my other coworkers, that's why I have friends and family. If I wanted a social connection with you, we would be friends. t. Likely the most productive programmer on your team

[@rahulvig5298]

​​@@FrederickFIintstone Exactly. Loved your comment. The reason why social connection is forced upon employees is because there are very few good employees and it is obvious that less productive employees will reach out to the smarter employees for help. But hey? The smarter employee does not get paid for that. By working from home that connection suffers and the company isn't able to take benefit of the smarter employees. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just sharing why it is the way that it is xD

[@kelj4517]

@Music Drive (LoFi) I’ve been working from home since 2020. I can care less about a “social connection” with co-workers! I have a wonderful social life outside of work! As long as my work gets done that’s all that matters at the end of the day! People who come to work for a social life or social interaction are already miserable people!

[@kelj4517]

@double Bingo 💯👍🏼 I agree with you!

[@sebastianorye2702]

@@kelj4517 Yes, there are definitely exceptions to this rule, especially looking at situations like yours, but Tech companies have seen a decrease in productivity. Plus, the vast majority of office jobs benefit from direct communication, teamwork and being able to read the situation better. If this weren’t the case, tech companies including Elon wouldn’t be pushing on reversing WFH. And then there is also the moral issue to some extent of you being able to work from home but your co-workers being forced to come everyday, as well as 90% of the workforce. But that’s debatable. If it works better for you, then you’re likely part of the exception.

[@nolan_8]

How about we pay the farm workers and working class what they deserve. Use the savings from office space and reduced transportation costs to make it happen?

[@adamcalhoun6683]

Reduced transportation costs?? So you gonna send the money you save on gas to a farmer?? Or does the government pay your travel expenses and now we’re gonna save tax money not driving you to work and back??

[@nolan_8]

@@adamcalhoun6683 Do you have any idea how many trillions of dollars are spent to subsidize our commute / car / office infrastructure?

[@AR-rn8ok]

@@adamcalhoun6683 the government does partially pay your travel expenses through wars for oil and rebates and handouts for oil companies. Plus the loans tesla used to get started.

[@daniellesanders6668]

What the heck is he talking about WFH is not a moral issue!? It’s facts, some jobs require you to be physically present and some do not. These CEOs and their archaic theories, history of corporate America treating employees across the board as if we are less than clearly never changes. Like we’ve advanced so much but can’t work remotely? Give me a break.

[@DZ-yk2ew]

Richest man breaks countless labor laws. Richest man cites morality for why some workers should work remotely. Strong argument…

[@lloyddobblerNJ]

been working from home since 2008. I live in NJ and my team's office is in Florida, and when they bought out my old company, they saw no reason to lease office space for the 10 of us in NJ that came with that deal. Thankfully this company has always been comfortable with WFH, and my boss down in Florida is himself not planning to return to the office for more than 1 day a week down in Florida where he lives, because he's moving 90 minutes away. He has seen that productivity hasn't been affected negatively by the fact that 75% of his group lives/works 1000+ miles away from the office.

[@gbengaomotayo7888]

Sounds like we work for same company. 340b

[@cutehumor]

I work from home since 2009. it's been a blessing

[@sterlthepearl1000]

Elon is right somebody had to do the jobs to keep modern civilization going. And there's still no substitute for hard work.

[@sheldoncooper0]

"Laptop class"? This guy literally grew up in a millionaire family in a gated community away from people that pickup garbage ons streets and clean toilets in service industries like hotels and restaurants. As an adult he literally flies on his own private jet and has his own chauffeur driven luxury car away from people that drive busses or have to clean plane bathrooms....

[@imtryinghere1]

It doesn't make his argument any less valid. You are slamming a guy as spoiled where in the same video he's telling you he works 363 days a year

[@sheldoncooper0]

@@imtryinghere1 actually it does. And he doesn’t work 365 days a year. His work is just sending a few emails and then all the people below him do the actual work.

[@imtryinghere1]

@@sheldoncooper0 this is totally untrue.

[@sheldoncooper0]

@@imtryinghere1 Sorry it's true.

[@positivevibes532]

@@sheldoncooper0So you have access to all Elon’s personal accounts? You have access to all his company’s security measures and can watch what he does all day? A few emails is 30 minutes of “work” a day. Just out of curiosity since you know for absolute certain every single detail of the man’s life from childhood to present moment, what does he do with the other 23.5 hours a day?

[@bmshaven]

He is lost in the sauce. Good lord is he super rigid and arrogant.

[@PedroTRamos1]

I wouldn´t say arrogant, but rigid yes. He works super hard and expects people who work with him to atleast aspire to be on a similar level of commitment. A person who´s changing the world demands max efficiency from the people around him, that makes total sense.

[@miseseconomics]

no brother, he is just dumb. I debunked his the loop idea long time ago - kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5fUaZiGebpseKs

[@vincediana4814]

He's a hard working investor...never invents anything, builds it or creates anything himself.

[@PedroTRamos1]

@@vincediana4814 Do you expect him to be on the assembly line welding metal? Or physically building rockets? Lmao

[@benj1236]

*How is it fair that the guy building the cars is making less money than Elon Musk? That's a moral issue. Elon is making more than the people doing the hard work.... But lets not talk about that.*

[@geofreyoteng]

Every job has its own perks. It was because of the ability to work from home that things didnt halt when the pandemic hit and people had to stay at home. Less emitions from people travelling to work is better for the environment etc. Sure, sometimes nothing beats in person, but i dont think one can say there is no value at all from being able to work from home

[@TB1M1]

If you do your job over the phone or MS Teams one has to question is your job even productive, it's talking but not doing anything.

[@geofreyoteng]

@@TB1M1 if I'm a software developer and I develop a program that allows a medical hospital to digitise their medical records, this is a very productive thing and makes their medical system efficient and helps them provide quality service. How is this not productive? Are you saying it's not productive because I am doing it from home?

[@Fujtajblus]

@@TB1M1 lol. productive simply means there is an output to your work. What you described is probably a sales person. They can sell just over the phone. Which brings business to many companies, clients, customers. "talking and not doing anything". Do you work in a factory by any chance? Unable to progress in your career because you wasted your youth on building skills that would allow you to do work with your mind and not your hands by any chance?

[@del-see-oh]

I worked hard to get where I am. It's not my fault that I have a career that lets me work from home.

[@vincediana4814]

It is your fault! Be proud of your accomplishments.

[@ramos_pinho117]

If your boss let you do it or 3 option Go to office Look for other company Start you own job.

[@ampamp999]

Moral issue? I disagree..

[@billm47645]

It depends on what you do. Manufacturing quite frankly sucks for work from home, so does food service. I travel nationally and sometimes internationally often to visit clients (who happen to be mostly manufacturing plants) and I have to be in the field. When I’m not in the field ,or going to meetings the majority of time I work from home. Our company has gone to a more office hoteling model, and it has saved money. I was skeptical, especially with Junior staff, and thought I would force them back to the office but I find screen share on say Teams to be just as useful as standing over my shoulder at the office. Also, I even find team members doing work on days they may have called out sick. For our work, it generally works and we even at times gain productivity. But it’s not an end all solution. It does reduce traffic, congestion, and even reduces things like waste water from laundering clothes as often or even dry cleaning solvents.

[@Mike-dd8bd]

The problem is that your not seeing the numbers. 12% of people work full time remote and 20-25 hybrid. Everyone else works full time onsite. Yet we are spending so much time making sure this market of the job market is happy.

[@billm47645]

@@Mike-dd8bd I agree Mike. There will always be work from home jobs Vs jobs that have to be done onsite, in a facility (plant, hospital, etc.). That later category is the majority.

[@sterlthepearl1000]

Somebody has to do the jobs to keep modern civilization continuing.

[@sterlthepearl1000]

If not you, who? If not now, when?

[@scallen3841]

Those empty office buildings still need to be maintained, per city code etc .

[@J-qwert]

Technology during the Pandemic has proven that in 2023 we can do work and meetings online just fine. You can work 40 hours at work, but stress and exhaustion while commuting are eating away your and your family’s lives. Ppl also want to move close to work, but obviously employers like Elon don’t want to pay more. So only solution he is suggesting is that we drive 2 hrs to go to work, work 8 hours, and then drive 2 hours to go back home. This works only if we don’t care about our wellbeing. Life is short and spend wisely your time not all for work, but for you and your family while you live on earth. The Pandemic had shown us that life and wellbeing of us all are more important than anything we do on earth

[@Alexzw92]

His non-union companies pay better than Unionized automakers. The pay rate is just fine

[@twizzlerboy]

It's not normal to commute 4 hours per day. I hate commuting as well which is why I moved 5 minutes from work. People are just obsessed with buying big houses so they waste their lives commuting to do just that.

[@danh5637]

The evidence doesn’t support his claim. People who are doing WFH it turns out are more productive and happier. Which in turn keeps them productive. The list of people at Tesla and twitter reporting very serious burnout is next level. I know he grew up in apartheid South Africa. But enough with the slave driver ethos.

[@lhantful]

I'm also a believer that working in person can be more productive. But the thing is for those industry that can support work from home, as long as the job gets done right and properly, that shouldn't be an issue. As long as the business is running fine, that shouldn't be an issue. There will be a lot of slacking moments working at home but getting the job done is what's required, right?

[@eduardrastoropov9376]

If you work from home you don't get to experience the real world. If you don't experience the real world, the work you do can't possibly produce benevolent results. You can be productive, but your decisions and actions that follow will be evil as they are out of touch with reality.

[@lhantful]

@@eduardrastoropov9376 are you serious? where did you get this? do you personally know people who were working from home and became evil? Working from home doesn't mean working 7 days a week. You still have days off. You can use those days to get in touch with reality.

[@AlphaG33k1]

I worked from home for much of my career in IT. I was much more productive working from home where I didn't have the lazy co-workers dropping in to just chat and try to distract me from work. Some managers were skeptical at first, but they quickly learned who they could trust to work from home and who they couldn't. If someone can be just as productive working from home, there's no reason to not let them. It's not a moral issue, it's whether or not someone has a good work ethic. I worked with people from all over the world, many of them worked from home, too. Some shouldn't have, because they were not productive that way, but most of us were good working from home. I bet Elon doesn't complain about cheap foreign labor working from home - is that immoral, too, Elon? LOL

[@reubenprasanth271]

haha Outsourcing basically

[@fnc5369]

Eat a penguin

[@GAURAV25855ify]

Yeah whatever yeah most of your career you worked from home yeah good for you you r lucky but not everyone csn hsndle working from home depending on the person and people also get lazy working home as well they lose discipline n focus they slack of especially if u have a-lot of distractions at home or if you are in your comfort zone working from home isnt great plus its killing the work culture in society working from Home is only good if u have your own businesses u live in a big house can afford create a part of your home an office and if u well established and have enough experience in your profession in the job market but for freshers or people who are changing jobs or even careers working from Home isnt all that great and cracked up to be

[@moonraven66]

Working from home is a team killer.

[@misterstudentloan2615]

I'm a coder and I've worked from home for over a decade xD I'm 34 now, and I only worked in an office 4 days a week when i was 22-23, been working remotely since. COVID didn't change a thing for me

[@MrSevenEleven]

Jesus Christ, are you over there sniffing your own farts too, or what? Who asked lol

[@njksdsu13]

Let’s see what he says when he replaces all those people with robots 😂

[@ZrianFilms]

He won’t do that, it wouldn’t be morally correct to unemploy all those people

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

​@@ZrianFilms Actually it would because it would allow humans to pursue more productive/safer/less boring work

[@ZC965Tt]

Do you think robots will replace humans?

[@-.-..._...-.-]

​​​​​@@ogzombieblunt4626 Oh yea with what money? He is not going to pay them after he replaces them. Not everyone can afford a $20k robot that will be obsolete every 5 years and people can't survive off of unemployment. The big corps will just take their money with them somewhere else if the state goes after them, they don't care about the average person and anyone who thinks they do is an idiot

[@jain78343]

@@ZC965Tt Never, I give you an example. Cashier was probably a job that was supposed to get replaced by AI 4 to 5 years back. When you go in supermarkets now, yes there are self check ins but also equal amounts of cashiers. Humans are always needed, they cant get fully replaced.

[@davidslebodnick3452]

How is it morally wrong? I thought this guy was a free market guy. No one is forcing someone to take an in-person job or a remote job. If everyone wants to work from home, then to get people to take in-person jobs you will have to pay them more. Its supply/demand.

[@Ameborl]

Work from home is great for moms juggling everything. I hated sitting at a desk for 8 hours when I could do my day’s work in 3.

[@ramos_pinho117]

You getting paid for 8. See thats is the problem.lots of home offices don t do their full work. (Everybody has some breaks 10min its fine) being paid 8 hours and you really only work 3. A doctor nurse plumber retail worker etc... will do their job the minute they enter until they will leave

[@brooklynballers1671]

He wants people in the office so he can play God and walk around making employees nervous.

[@georgewashington3012]

His logic is non-existent. The illusion of intelligence surrounding him fully evaporated here.

[@megg8566]

Working from home is isolating. Productivity increases but as well the tendency to overwork. I started to work from home 8 months ago. There are advantages to it but I feel alone and detached from what I am doing. I believe it is important to learn from colleagues, sometimes just by observing your colleagues around you. Not to talk about the fact that in many cases the energy and other home workplace expenses are on me. I do understand that for certain professions, it makes sense to work from home but I would like to be able to ask some simple questions to my colleagues without making appointments or calling them.

[@spencerwilson-softwaredeve6384]

I work in the technology industry and I'm one of the few who prefers to spend at least a few days a week in the office. I don't want to be holed up in my apartment, when you work from home the line between work and pleasure begins to blur. I like to keep these things separate, when I'm at home, I'm relaxing.

[@Bootman899]

Imagine having more time for your family to balance work with. You know, those other people that are supposed to be important in your life. Who am I kidding? You tried this like 5x now right? Best dad ever.

[@ramos_pinho117]

If you are getting paid the time you are paid is to work. Family friends dogs hobbys etc... is after work. Only if is a emergency than yeha any boss will be fine. People have higher wages but you also need to bring productivity.

[@nooahchannel]

He works 7 days a week and who takes care of his meanwhile 10 children? He for sure not. When he talks about morally right, is this morally right?

[@cl8045]

He’s just speaking from emotion, and mad that he can work from home, but he doesn’t. ❤

[@dinosaursneverexisted8985]

Woodworkers who run their business from home: that’s messed up!

[@Fanaz10]

lmfao

[@fernandorodriguesgonzalez2467]

And if someone is working from home, this condition does not change that of other who really needs to work in person in factories or construction sites. Maybe it even gets worse, as it throws more vehicles into traffic. But this argument clearly shows what kind of crooked concept this guy haves for "morality". It doesn't really surprise me.

[@jennlavender5225]

He has a point. I worked remotely from 2007 to 2016. Not everyone has the self discipline to be productive in the same environment they relax in. I’m way more productive if change from home to the workplace - it helps change the mindset from home to work as well. Meaning it’s easier to keep emotions at a distance and just focus on the work. There will always be anomalies and accommodations on a case-by-case basis, but I can see the logic in this.

[@seyumaiayami3536]

Considering travel time......sure, bud. Depends on the job.

[@commandersprocket]

The problem I see with this is that at the same time that Elon musk is giving this message he’s also developing the Optimus robots that will have the people who are working on the auto factory or working to making the food work from home as well (the Optimus video of 5/16/2023 showed remote work, and in 2022 he gave a timeline of 3-5 years for the Optimus robot). I’m actually shocked that Musk can’t see this.

[@alexstefan4442]

No one wants to do the hard back breaking jobs in factories. They do it because they have no choice. That's who those robots will replace..

[@bernardbarry447]

Pure self interest. He’s a clown.

[@linemanap]

What makes you think he can't? He's talked about it a bunch of times. Imagine a world where virtually no one has to work. If work life balance had kept up with increased productivity we all would be working twenty hour weeks instead of 40 or 50+, instead the CEO class stole all that value for themselves.

[@commandersprocket]

@@linemanap IF it's true that Musk can see Optimus bots (at least) acting as remote "bodies" (shown in the 5/16/2023 Optimus video) AND he expects Optimus to hit the market in 3-5 years(he said this in 2022) how well founded is his "moral outrage" for something that will last 3-5 years?.

[@amasonofnewreno1060]

until he has this product, WFH is "le bad", because he needs to sell his other product to make you travel to office everyday...

[@fernandorodriguesgonzalez2467]

Yeah right, you're being very morally right when you get your car stuck in front of another person in the heavy traffic, who needs to get early morning at the food factory, just to sit alone in an office desk and make some code programming... Says the man who probably never gets jammed in traffic and runs three companies at the same time! What a dumb argument!! Gee, why big midia still keeps giving so much credit for this guy?

[@jwarner2026]

I'm curious when does he even get a chance to read his kids a book or take them to the park if he's working 7 days a week 🤔

[@scottgaree7667]

He has people to do that. They will soon be replaced by Optimom.

[@ethanquenum4778]

@@scottgaree7667 You mean momGPT?

[@lifecyclestyled6732]

😮 Sometimes, I feel these Billionaires have children to only pass down their business to someone. I wonder if they really care as a loving parent?

[@theself5738]

@@lifecyclestyled6732 look at his seething face. Does this guy look like a loving parent to you? Or an abusive psychopath?

[@scottgaree7667]

@@lifecyclestyled6732 Likely at a similar rate to other parents. Best not to dehumanize people for being successful.