Tesla FSD Update 12.5.6 Downtown - Discussing Robotaxi

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[@DirtyTesla]

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[@AntoineThisdale]

Do you remember when we had to nagg the wheel every 30 seconds? I was on a random errant ride earlier this week and this thought occured to me... hehe fun times.

[@33butterzucker33]

GRIP in Germany conducted a comparative test of pedestrian emergency braking systems for Mercedes, Tesla, and BYD vehicles. Here's a summary of the results in English: 1. Test Scenarios: - Static pedestrian on the road - Pedestrian crossing suddenly from behind an obstacle - Rainy conditions with reduced visibility 2. Results: - Tesla Model 3 (USA): 7.5 out of 9 points - BYD Seal (China): 5.5 out of 9 points - Mercedes EQB (Germany): 3.5 out of 9 points 3. Performance breakdown: - Static pedestrian test: All three vehicles performed well, scoring full points. - Crossing pedestrian test: * Tesla performed best, with consistent braking * BYD had mixed results, sometimes braking effectively * Mercedes struggled, often failing to brake in time - Rainy conditions test: * Tesla performed surprisingly well, even with camera-only system * BYD failed to detect the pedestrian in all attempts * Mercedes also failed to detect or brake for the pedestrian 4. Key takeaways: - Tesla's camera-based system outperformed the competition, even in challenging conditions. - BYD showed promise but struggled in adverse weather. - Mercedes unexpectedly performed poorly, especially in the more challenging scenarios. The test highlighted the importance of these systems in potentially saving lives, as approximately one pedestrian dies daily in traffic accidents in Germany. However, it also emphasized that drivers should remain vigilant, as these systems are not always reliable. Citations: [1] kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3Wzfmlpqapnhrc

[@Idiomatick]

It also probably matters what version of tesla they had as well. Teslas improve. I also don't think autobrake is the same stack as fsd so it might be quite a bit older.

[@DirtyTesla]

Citations 🤩

[@dialy1]

I am on HW3 with v12.5.4.1 (model S Plaid) and, in the LA area, I never get any critical disengagement. The only disengagements I get come from planning mistakes which, after rerouting, would still allow the car to get to its destination if I did not disengage. I think, in my area, that it’s pretty much solved. With the addition of reverse and park, it will pretty much be robotaxi ready around here. V13 might be it. By the way, Waymo is operating here and they are not perfect. They just count disengagements (which are hidden by the absence of a driver) much more leniently.

[@DirtyTesla]

Yeah, I posted our waymo drive and it works very well despite a single hard brake.

[@YungAnt7]

The versions we get of FSD are not the bleeding edge of capability, very much small incremental improvements. These are Americans we’re talking about - we’re not responsible enough as a culture behind the wheels of our vehicles they definitely play it safe they definitely are confident if they have a robotaxi with no steering wheel. This is the most advanced, efficient, talented, genius automotive company the world has ever seen. I think they know what they’re doing. Other than timeline they’ve done everything they said they would - Cybertruck and semi weren’t gonna happen either, right?

[@quantuminfinity4260]

Cough Tesla roadster, cough, $50,000 pre payments and no news. How many years later? Literally no news in ages. Acting like if they just ignore it it disappears.

[@jhunt5578]

​@quantuminfinity4260 The last news Tesla gave is that it would be in 2025. But them not making the Roadster isn't because of technical difficulties, it's because it's a halo car and won't matter to their bottom line. Meanwhile Teslas sister company is catching rockets the size of a 23 story building, falling from the edge of space, with metal beams like a pair of chopsticks. Let Tesla cook.

[@davidkaplan5517]

Then where was it 7 years ago

[@quantuminfinity4260]

@@jhunt5578 Space X is very impressive but not relevant to my point at all. I’m just call out an example where Tesla has indeed not delivered on a promise at all yet. Maybe they will. But it’s not yet. Like you said, it’s not because of a technical reason. It’s purely bottom line driven. So letting them cook is also not relevant. Even so I’d argue that it’s even worse because they have the capability to do what they promised, but won’t. Even worse because they decided after they started taking money for it that it’s not great financially, so they just won’t.

[@marc0443]

FSD V13 may be so much better that you will begin to see Autonomy at the end of the tunnel. Another Great video! Thank you!

[@Pedrooo317]

"12.5.6 it's him" xDDDD

[@DirtyTesla]

Maybe that should be the title 😂

[@laser3003]

I think we need a new column for errors because I wouldn't call that disengagement....

[@AMPed.]

amazing..need 12.5.6 to try in Toronto.

[@bear4278]

11:20 Don’t worry! I’m here for your rambling 😊

[@Tokyo_1031]

The expanded visualization shows what car sees at an intersection at least that’s the difference I noticed and also more lanes of the highway instead of the standard 3

[@hamzanaser5149]

Great video!

[@beanis8624]

Both accidents I have been in were caused because I took off too fast on a green light and someone ran the red and t-boned me. So I appreciate the hesitation on a green. But it should probably be an adjustment setting.

[@DirtyTesla]

Yep, I'm all good with a ~2 second delay. 4 seconds felt just a tad too long

[@pooroldpedro]

Yeah, fsd isn't perfect but I feel it's safer than most drivers already.

[@Ussimonw]

Waymo doesn’t take you to a packing lot.

[@mcintoshkid]

ibought FSD for my m3 hardware 3, but never could use it here in europe,

[@maartenvanneste]

Same: Should be coming Q1 25...

[@MrTechfreak95]

i really really hope that next year there will be FSD for Europe... But my guess is, when its coming then end of 2025... early 2026

[@WillN2Go1]

Unsupervised? Sooner rather than later. The recent 12.5 advances are so good I think the Tesla software team can probably now make a specific punch list of things to fix. So Elon said 'California and Texas next year,' but he was alone on stage... So maybe a year from now, partially unsupervised, like on the interstate (but no sleeping) A year after that (late 2026) Robotaxis in parts of California and Texas. Los Angeles won't be a problem. (FSD is already great anywhere I drive in L.A.) I think the next hurdle may be backing up. And add to the lists of reasons Tesla should advertise: Yesterday an electrician fixing computerized dock boxes (so no Luddite) where I dock my boat said he'd like to get a Tesla, "But I rent, so I can't install the solar panels." How is this possible? And I figured out why so many people have gushed to me about the E Hummer. TV ads during sports broadcasts. Not one of these people can afford a Model Y, they believe all manner of EV 'rumors,' and yet they know, and like, and CAN NAME so many features they like about the E Hummer. Those commercials are not just trying to sell Hummers, they'll also sell Bolts, and are preparing people for when GM can finally make a profit on EVs and starts cranking them out. I would say that in the past two years those E Hummer commercials just might be the most widespread positive education for EVs.

[@jooptablet1727]

Chris can you explain why you would sit in the backseat on fsd today but also think robotaxi is very very far away? Thanks!

[@brucec954]

Any news about School zones? I live near 3 and in the middle of one where when you pull out to the main road you are in the middle of a school zone (with no sign so would have to know from maps or experience). They are photo enforced so not "optional".

[@videoreborn]

I drop off my kid to school daily. The traffic is so bad that you really don’t need a school sign to tell the car to slow down. Often I have to disengage to choose the faster lane to cut through other cars. 😅. And the FSD has set to Assertive in my 12.5.4.1. Can’t wait for this new update see if it’s improves in lane selection.

[@Idiomatick]

I wonder how long it has been now since you've seen more illegal/dangerous driving in other cars during testing than your own car.

[@calscott4880]

Can you start doing timestamps of when the disengagement occurred?

[@nobrien1]

I'm still on 12.5.4 and I get the major delay at the first 4-way stop a block into the neighborhood. And then it zoom accelerates to 32 mph in a 25 mph zone where you would never want to do more than 25 due to narrowness, restricted sight around a tight curve, parked vehicles, kids playing, etc. I usually get my releases a short time after you get yours so hopefully 12.5.6 shows improvement in my area. 12.5.4 does show improvement in maintaining speed, but, in general, adherence to speed limits is so erratic around here that I am not sure if FSD will ever be able to deal with it. Once FSD is solved you can just share fun stories about your kids?

[@iowa_don]

The Electrified YT channel's latest video, "This Is Unheard Of / Autonomous Regulations Changing? / GM Going Digital" has some interesting thoughts about NHTSA and vehicles without controls. Currently the manufacturer has to petition NHTSA for an exemption under the AV STEP program and even if granted, there is a pretty small number (2,500) vehicles that are allowed.

[@hsiaohu2959]

I agree that we probably won't have complete autonomous unsupervised FSD next year but even if it alerts us to take over when it needs help, it would still be another step forward, so that when I drive home at night from the airport after vacation if I doze off for a second or two, it will keep me and my family and other cars on the road safe and I also don't get a strike out

[@DirtyTesla]

Oh I'll take that all day, it would be a huge step forward.

[@georgepelton5645]

That would be great, and fits the definition of Level 3 autonomy perfectly. Still need to be prepared to take over when prompted, so no sleeping.

[@badtoro]

Next year? um you're drinking the kool-aid too much.

[@2GeckosAZ]

Any news about reacting to emergency vehicles? Seems to be necessary for a taxi

[@b4804514]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that talks to the car like it can hear me talking. I think FSD unsupervised is safer than a lot of drivers. I use FSD 80% of the time. I have not had any emergency situation so I don't know what FSD would do. Will it drive off the road to avoid an accident? Can it see the side of the road drops off? I want to see FSD actions in emergency situations.

[@johnsanfelipe7493]

How can you NOT invest in this technology?

[@mds000123]

Agree with your description of cybertruck. A little jerky.

[@rogershark9223]

"This is great" - During the day in perfect weather. I've found it struggles a lot more at night with complex roads / situations. Be interesting to see how current version handles snow covered roads

[@ricardoveras3433]

It does seem like training on edge cases now makes it better without regressing in other areas. And they are finishing up adding any remaining needed features. Then they will have a decent amount of time until the end of next year with their new supercomputer to train train train on edge cases. So I’m feeling quite optimistic they could get there by the end of next year with a system quite comparable to Waymo’s effectiveness. And then they’ll be getting much more data with more robotaxis working more hours which will quickly improve even more so it’s great by the time cybercab comes out. I’m very optimistic at this point. We’ll see how quickly training improves once they’re done with all the necessary features.

[@ryangerrity2851]

I got 12.5.4.1 recently and it sucks, hopefully will get this version or a newer polished v13 soon

[@trotmanCE]

@@ryangerrity2851 if you are a HW3 Tesla, absolutely.

[@khuo0219]

It is worse than 12.5.4. But hopefully 12.5.6 soon for us hw3 owners

[@genelane2243]

It never ceases to amaze me how different the experiences are for people on FSD. I'm very happy with FSD except for a few little things, like lack of recognition for emergency vehicles and stopping on marked pavement at "Do Not Block" zones.

[@HourRomanticist]

FSD is really him

[@rockafeller94]

Expanded full self driving visualization, is just for when you put the car into auto pilot initially. When this is turned on the entire screen will expand when you turn on auto pilot.

[@lashlarue59]

How did you get HW4 in a 2023 Model Y? I also have a 2023 model Y but its HW3 and its less than a year old.

[@homosapien6031]

Love the rambles and robotaxi event thoughts! I’d say yeah, maybe level 3 next year in California and Texas, but I don’t think we’re gonna be fully unsupervised for at least another 2-3 years. Maybe a bit more tbh. I’ve been thinking by 2030 for level 5 in the US for a while now Also, that last turn… whoa

[@Frankillz]

Bro you should’ve kept a HW3 FSD car for comparison.

[@DirtyTesla]

I'd have loved to if I didn't need to trade in. Ya never know, maybe I can get an older HW3 car for testing at some point lol

[@pittsburgh__87]

are no right on a red signs working in this version?

[@mikesamyn7054]

Sure would like to know where we stand with HW3.

[@DirtyTesla]

From my understanding it's still planned to be as capable as HW4 for the foreseeable future.

[@Michael90G]

@@DirtyTesla I think from the robotaxi event they did not want to confirm HW3 being capable of unsupervised FSD - but they did for HW4 - which is a huge bummer for early adopters

[@maartenvanneste]

*UN*Supervised FSD 1. With you in the driver seat only on highways. 2. With you in the driver seat off highways 3. Awake anywhere in the car on highways only 4. Awake anywhere in the car off highways 5. Sleeping on highways only 6 Sleeping also off highways.

[@heykeith]

You need to get out of the bunny slopes.

[@diamondsegment1550]

You need to use FsD more! I challenge you to do 150 miles a day. EVERYWHERE where you live. I so can’t wait for 1 disengagement per 10,000 miles

[@jhalpinjr]

why does my tesla all of a sudden decide to aggressively brake and slowdown while on the highway once in a while using Autosteer?????

[@NewCastleIndiana]

Tesla should add an option for people like you and any other Tesla owners that’s basically a go drive around, and if it helps you to map a certain spot that you don’t have in recent drives overall for Tesla data gathering, then go do that. And if you need to go around and around and try things multiple times, go do that as well. and then they could even have the car ask. How did I do right there? What did you think about that? Etc. and then it could show you the GF forces or give you a rating to be able to say did I wait too long was I too aggressive, etc.? And then that feedback considered just a report button to go back to Tesla.

[@scooterrosie4649]

As quickly as FSD has progressed. It won't take long to make it totally hands off. I love FSD in my Model Y.

[@duncanmacleanjr]

What's your thinking about Tesla reportedly looking at FSD KZbin "Influencers" and the routes they typically take and focusing on correcting FSD for that specifically.

[@BigBen621]

They don't. But some influencers, such as Whole Mars Catalog, live in areas of the country with a large concentration of Teslas to provide training videos, and so FSD performs better in these areas. I live in San Diego, and I'm not aware of any influencers here; but similar to LA and the Bay Area, there's a large concentration of Tesla here, and FSD has been working perfectly for me for several weeks-like being driven around by a professional chauffeur with my hands in my lap or on the armrests. It even does limousine stops at every stop, a skill I've tried unsuccessfully to master.

[@jjjxoxoxo]

Fsd is amazing. As soon as i can get it on subscription, I will do so immediately.

[@mariusmeyer14]

You have the right to be sceptical. Maybe it's a question of who is responsible at the end. With WAMO the company is responsible and in your TESLA You're still responsible and therefore more anxious.

[@MrTechfreak95]

I dont care about unsupervised in some states in the US, i finally want to get FSD Supervised in the EU... We are at such an old AP Stack... its embarrassing...

[@jjy1463]

"Slightly robotic" will soon be viewed as a positive statement instead of a negative.

[@davidwebb2337]

Love it. Rambling great. Almost better than super polished. Ramble on.

[@mathijs9365]

Havent seen it but I can conclude. Still has issues and disengagements.

[@TeslaElonSpaceXFan]

❤

[@DigitalSteel]

As I understand it, the difference between HW3 and HW4 are not really as big as people think. The biggest downside is that HW3 no longer has redundancy because they are now using both processors as compute. The dual processor HW3 config actually has slightly more compute than HW4 with redundancy. However being that HW4 is on a newer process node it likely gets slightly more performance for the same amount of raw compute. So they really are likely neck and neck with HW4 maybe slightly edging out HW3. Of note, HW3 actually also has double the memory. The camera resolution change on HW4 is nice but not likely super impactful for most things.

[@livinginmatrix]

Only time it will truly be unsupervised is when Tesla, not us, will be liable for any accidents caused by FSD.

[@Angelboy99]

The craziest situation happened to me yesterday while on FSD 12.5.4.1, the car just stopped for no reason on green light then slowed down fast at orange light to then creep on the red light. Lucky there was a light traffic but if a cop would have been there, I would have 100% been ticketed. 12.5.6 for now but 13 ASAP per favor Señor Musk!

[@hellokitty34]

Yes 12.5.4.1 has been doing that for me and I was supposed to turn at a right turn lane it was in the lane next to it went straight and missed the turn and almost turned right from the other lane never did that in 12.3.6 but it did do a 40 min drive with disengagements. Excited for 12.3.6

[@trotmanCE]

@@hellokitty34are you guys HW3 or HW4

[@hellokitty34]

Oops mean excited for 12.5.6

[@hellokitty34]

@@trotmanCE hw3

[@trotmanCE]

@@hellokitty34 I think HW3 (which I have as well) is the one that are showing those issues and the one that @Angelboy99 described. There hopefully will be a smoothness update that they eluded to for HW3 soon. Which is the reason I question a robotaxi ready hardware 3 Tesla, but they keep saying it will happen. My car makes me a little nauseous because of the micro braking it does because of caution. 12.3.6 was smoother in that respect, but I do love the way it handles right on red now, a lot more natural….

[@Chris-bz9pg]

I have a 2018 M3 and am still stuck on 12.3.6 lol when will us peasants get the 12.5s lol

[@kadeembest4752]

Say thank the Lord! All of the v12.5.X updates have introduced regressions. The cars now experience phantom braking, green light hesitation, and slowdowns.

[@georgepelton5645]

I have 12.5.4 in my 2018 M3. Do you have software update preference set to "advanced" on your car?

[@georgepelton5645]

Chris, Please be careful about getting too confident in FSD, and letting your attention fall off. When FSD is good enough to rarely require interventions or disengagements, but not good enough to go 10 years or more (100? 1000?) between serious accidents, will be the most dangerous time, IMO. Stay safe out there and keep "merrily driving along" with FSD. 😀

[@DirtyTesla]

100% and I think we are finally getting close to that time... Definitely going to be a PSA worth repeating

[@BigBen621]

_When FSD is good enough to rarely require interventions or disengagements, but not good enough to go 10 years or more (100? 1000?) between serious accidents, will be the most dangerous time, IMO._ According to statistics recently released by NHTSA, Teslas with FSD engaged have an accident about every 17.3 million miles. Average drivers drive around 13,000 miles a year, so that's about one every 1,300 years. Safe enough for you?

[@Excelcior58]

Thanks mom

[@gmarie701]

@@BigBen621 That would be just fine if only Elon would give twitter back to the America hating democrat party.

[@KumiOriFarm]

Do you have this scenario near you? A multilane, one-way street leading to a freeway on-ramp. My Model Y with FSD sees several blocks of cars in the right lane queuing up to enter the ramp, and empty space in the left lanes and ALWAYS decides to speed up in the left lanes and push it's way back in closer to the ramp. Rudely not waiting it's turn. This has been consistent for months and various versions. I'm wondering if you also experience this.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

Maybe we should have politeness settings from "driving grandma to church" to "the water just broke". 😅 People have different preferences when it comes to rudeness.

[@cupcakeapplesauce]

I like the way that you're a fan, but also skeptical. FSD will be huge, so I can't wait to see how it proves itself over time

[@Sanjuk0522]

Just got my model y last week. Looks like I have 12.5..41 FSD software. I do have advanced selected under the software, how can I receive the latest FSD software do I just need to wait?

[@trotmanCE]

@@Sanjuk0522 you may just have to wait. The software that went to mass release was 12.5.4.1. 12.5.5 was released for Cybertruck and 12.5.6 was on a very limited release. I think, if Tesla AI sticks to their release schedule, our next major update is version 13

[@DanFrederiksen]

You are not out of a job quite yet :)

[@NobodzzZ]

It's California, have an ev, but no solar? I wouldn't even care, if it's cheaper or not.

[@mikeyc8139]

The interesting thing about unsupervised FSD and what might hold it back: culpability. If it's unsupervised, is Tesla going to take responsibility for accidents that happen while in unsupervised FSD? Been on 12.5.4.1 for a while now. It's decent but looking forward to something new. Speed control still sucks. I see that it isn't much improved in 12.5.6 as it was still going 5 under even in a 40/45 in this video.

[@chillguy2758]

@@mikeyc8139 if Tesla says you don’t have to supervise then yes 💯 they’ll be responsible

[@variablenine]

I've had a different experience. I've found that 12.3.6 tended to be less consistent in it's speed, often more in a state of speeding up or slowing down, and when it needed to slow down for a situation it wouldn't speed back up without an accelerator press. Essentially it was harder to get it to stay at the speed you want with just the accelerator. While 12.5.4.1 still has speed issues with no intervention, I've noticed that it does a much better job at staying consistent after you use the accelerator than its predecessor. I just wish that with the introduction of speed profiles it would err on the side of speeding up rather than slowing down knowing that it can't go beyond the speed the driver sets

[@mikeyc8139]

@@variablenine For me, all v12 versions have had the "pedaling effect" where you can press the accelerator to boost it a few MPH over the speed limit but much like a bicycle, it'll slowly bleed off speed 1 MPH at a time until it is under the limit again. Rinse and repeat.

[@adrianwilliams63]

I should start making these but Downtown Detroit. I could also take FSD thru the hood on the east and west side too. 🤔

[@chillguy2758]

I still can’t comprehend how it would be able to deal with places like Korea town in LA where the super blind unprotected turns on every corner cause of parked cars. Even I have to be super cautious and feel out those kinds of situations and negotiate with other drivers

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

Maybe it will be super cautious and feel out those kinds of situations and negotiate with other drivers? It is learning from people driving in Koreatown. Or Seoul for that matter. When you see it driving there just fine, you will ask "but what about New Delhi rush hour? Mogadishu? I have driven on a few continents and in countries with various driving cultures, and as long as you keep cool and don't crash into something/someone things usually sort themselves out. Compare that to the thousands of people per year we are totally fine with being killed by human drivers.

[@chillguy2758]

@@geirmyrvagnes8718 that’s pretty high level thinking I’m not sure it’s capable of but perhaps

[@HourRomanticist]

A whole town of Costco driving?

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

@@chillguy2758 It doesn't have to be very high level, actually. It just has to fake it close enough that it works. Your "negotiations" with other drivers are not very deep and sophisticated, even if they feel meaningful. They go straight out the window if somebody does something unexpected anyway, since you are being vigilant and careful. Vigilant and careful is easy for a robot car. The rest is just creeping forwards and seeing how other cars/bikes/pedestrians react. After all, people can drive there in the middle of the night, too. Just like it figures out not to crash into the car going before its turn in a 4-way stop. Or not killing phone zombies wandering into the street without looking.

[@josephbrunner6353]

Man this is awesome, can't wait to get this on my vehicle. Just wait till V13! I think once we see that then people will be more accepting of unsupervised. Maybe this isn't going wide because they are confident and close to V13 coming out ? Otherwise I just dont see why this isn't going wide. I've watched many videos on this version and it looks great. thanks for the video man, keep up the good work!

[@badtoro]

Until the car can auto reverse in FSD mode, then we are years away.

[@variablenine]

With the introduction of speed profiles I wish FSD would err on the side of speeding up rather than slowing down knowing it cant go beyond the speed set by the driver.

[@rcuadro]

I am wondering how this will conflict with current legislation. Right not texting and driving is illegal everywhere so can we assume California and Texas will have exceptions? To expand this more how will the police know I am using FSD?

[@zachb1706]

I still have a feeling HW4 isn’t enough to do FSD. Elon said they they are making the Cybercab excessive, but I just don’t buy that. We’ve seen that same thing play out with HW3 to 4. I think for FSD a bumper camera is necessary. A radar might be needed, especially for poor visibility situations. And better computer might be needed, especially as we’ve seen how much of an improvement we’ve seen as they move to parameter models

[@JamesBrown059]

Who would have thought 12.3.6 was a blessing in disguise. Every release since has been a regression in some substantial way…

[@sziehr]

FSD will probably never drive you to work with the current hardware. Lets review what it has no engineered fixes for Blocked or dirty side camera, Blocked or dirty rear camera Blocked or dirty B-Pillar camera. Then there is rain and snow where it has a hard time with depth perception. Then there are the emergency vehicles it can not hear but only see and see to late. These are hardware limits that can not just be waved away with software. The point is tesla could crack the brain today, and your never going to realize the benefit of being there test mule. Elon will say thanks, and say now the new car with version X hardware that solves all these lingering issues is truly FSD........ Thats the issue, they are so focused on robot taxi, that they have forgotten they have not sufficient hardware to make it happen in real world conditions. I would have loved to have seen them not waste the time on city streets and perfect the highway with true level 3 so I can watch tv while it cruises down the highway like mercadese has done

[@33butterzucker33]

Grüße aus Deutschland, Mercedes funktioniert in der Stadt nicht, null, Zero. Auf der Autobahn nur unter 95 km/h und geradeaus. Kommt eine Baustelle oder Ähnliches, schlägt das Auto Alarm und der Fahrer muss übernehmen. Das nennt Mercedes Level 3. Mercedes bekommt noch nicht einmal den Bremsassistenten hin. Totalversagen bei einem Test, während Tesla überzeugte.

[@33butterzucker33]

Mercedes kills : kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3Wzfmlpqapnhrcsi=YFH3urz1v0vgtT90

[@Nasser-bp6qf]

You lost me at mercedes level 3

[@chillguy2758]

Second!

[@EternityGamesVids]

First

[@DirtyTesla]

It's true

[@gmarie701]

A pretty good video once I put the sound on mute. Not every second needs to be explained...🙂

[@diamondsegment1550]

You need to use FsD more! I challenge you to do 150 miles a day. EVERYWHERE where you live. I so can’t wait for 1 disengagement per 10,000 miles