Tesla Model 3 Battery After 155K Miles Supercharging

My friend Lawrence who was one of the first to take delivery of his Performance Tesla Model 3 in September 2018 has driven about 155,000 miles so far. He also lives in an apartment and has no home charging. How is his battery holding up after 155K miles of supercharging sessions? How bad is the battery degradation? How much has he spent on maintenance costs so far?
Read Lawrence's Quora on his 100K miles experience: www.quora.com/What-is-a-Tesla...
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[@dyhppyx]

Thanks again, Joy. If you guys have any questions reply to this comment and I'll try to answer. I feel like there were some details I forgot to mention like my battery has around 800 cycles so far and it still hits 255kw if precondioned properly etc.

[@dyhppyx]

I also regularly charged the battery up to 93% so that seems to be ok too. I really wonder if Tesla has data that shows the effect of supercharging on the batteries because they have been oddly vague about it.

[@santhoshkumardev]

@@dyhppyx i should say you got a one hell of a battery!

[@dyhppyx]

@@santhoshkumardev the previous model s batteries performed well so I don't feel like this is an outlier. What I want to know now is how far it'll go before it actually needs to be replaced and how much degradation will show up.

[@douglasnewman2127]

Do you recommend PPF?

[@matthewprather7386]

How many sets of tires is that? The OE Michelins plus three sets of replacements?

[@jasonblair4057]

Nice to see the fast charging did not make a big difference on battery degradation.

[@4literv6]

Tesloop has proven this for years already with multiple teslas scing multiple times a day and lasting hundreds of thousands of miles. 🤔

[@Andersljungberg]

It depends on which time horizon you mean. some people may think that a car should have at least 90% of its capacity left after three years. If a Hyundai can meet that requirement, a Tesla should be able to do it. But I've got the impression that the Tesla S degrades more slowly than the Tesla 3. based on an online seller in Sweden who also indicates how much is left in the range of an electric car in Degradation in %. For example, a specific car may say that this 89% battery capacity remains

[@nordic5490]

Ahhh, nope. A LFP car (most Tesla made now) would still have nearly full capacity after only 6years. 12% degradation in 6 years is not good at all. If your ev is not LFP, do not fast charge.

[@TeslaJoy]

12% degradation after 155K miles is fantastic. Please stop spreading false info.

[@HashmiZohaibvlogs]

​@TeslaJoy i just buy tesla model 3 dual motor which one is better for charging fast charger or slow and tell me can we use is 300k with this battery ?

[@Volcomsd1]

Great video Joy! For those rocking an older Tesla. Here are my specs 2013 85 kw battery. 145k miles, I lost about 11% on the battery and supercharge primarily. Only replaced 12v battery once and No HV battery issues. It still drives flawless. Hope that helps some with older Teslas.

[@TeslaJoy]

Nice!

[@kashcasino2538]

I love that he’s extremely frugal. My kind of guy

[@MidEngine4Life]

As a repeat Tesla buyer who has gotten my family and friends to buy Teslas, I can say my experience is very similar. Its amazing how well they hold up.

[@Diamondbeach]

Thank you for having him share his experience w us. I’m also renting and can’t have a charger installed so this is music to my ears!

[@B0BHW]

Regarding battery degradation, pretty much just as I thought Joy. Thank you and thank you Lawrence for a most encouraging KZbin episode. I’m a UK based Driving Instructor using my 2019 Tesla Model 3 Long Range as a tuition car to teach learner drivers. Maintenance and tire wear very much in line with Lawrence's experience. What's more, my learner drivers absolutely love the car and 'one pedal' driving with its regen braking. No Clutch. No Gears. No Gas. No Fuss!

[@Trust_but_Verify]

Had to replace OEM tires at 31k miles for M3 LR, changed to Michelin PILOT SPORT AS4 235/45ZR18 at Costco for $908 out the door in 2021. 39k miles on it now and still good for at least 10k. Next set could be Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 Plus.

[@alphadelta87]

I just put a set of DWS tires on my 19" wheels. I have a '18 M3P and the DWS on 19s get a little less efficiency than the PilotSports on 20s. I do like the DWS tires though. I'll keep em on until I need to change the tires again. My 20s are wrapped and stored, so just a backup set for now.

[@jaymesdevine7737]

I have 151,000 miles on my 2018 (July) long range Model 3. About 9% battery capacity loss.

[@TeslaJoy]

Amazing!

[@dsvillalva]

Great informative video Joy! This is around the same age as my Model 3 long range I got back in Sept 2018. My degradation appears to be in the 10% range with mostly level 2 charging. It’s amazing the low cost of maintenance. I did have mobile service replace the regular 12 volt battery in the frunk and at the time did an upper control arm replacement under warranty - I didn’t even ask for it, they had a service bulletin and took care of that for me. Great video, your smile really makes my day. Really.

[@d1amonddbw]

Xlnt interview! Super good info. I forwarded this video to a buddy that bought an M3 1.5yrs ago. He'll be happy to hear about the tire situation. Have not yet been able to get my 1st Tesla (Poor Me... sigh) but when I do this video will remain Mandatory for me. Thanks

[@A.Deveneaux]

Very impressive and great to know. My 2018 M3 LR was 325 miles at full charge and after about 50k miles, I was getting 300 miles so it’s right there. I really thought supercharging would degrade the battery faster but Tesla seems to nail down the BMS very well. Thanks for the insight on this.

[@mjmellock]

Great content today. Love your videos and passion.

[@jacksonbangs6603]

Glad to see that his Tesla Modle 3 is withstanding the test of time.

[@10OF9OFBORG]

👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Thanks for sharing Joy!

[@fredbloggs5902]

Great information, thanks for this.

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

THANKS JOY🙏 FOR SHARING THIS INFO WITH US 🤗 I just replaced my ice battery this week…a DIEHARD 2yr warranty for $ 200 +

[@fineartz99]

Commendably solid info. Well presented.

[@DaIIasCowboyFan]

Thanks for the video, picking up a model y this week.

[@TeslaJoy]

Congrats! You’re gonna love it!

[@cellman1829]

Thank you this has put my fears at ease. When the refresh comes I'm going to get the M3 performance. Great content

[@cellman1829]

So update : in March 18th to be exact. I took delivery of my refreshed M3 LR in stealth grey black interior🎉🎉. I absolutely love it!! It is so comfortable, quiet, very fast!! I love the minimalism and the tech. So glad to be part of the Tesla family. Just like you Joy I live in a condo and it will be several years before they install chargers. My work will install chargers at end of year 🙏🏻🙏🏻 so I'm supercharging until then. I'm ok with that. I love this car. It is so freaking fun Aaron Phoenix AZ

[@TeslaJoy]

Yay!!!! Congrats! Sooooo happy for you! Enjoy!

[@BurrQ19]

I have the same deal. Picked up my P3D with Unlimited Supercharging on Sept 30, 2018. Been through Winters here in NYC. We don't have the heat pump. These were later adjusted for 299 miles fully charged until the heat pump was introduced bringing it up to 315 miles. I went from 299 to now 279 to 287 weather dependent. The heat pump would be a reason newer Teslas retain more energy. I have only 41K miles on it. Have a fellow Tesla buddy with the same car and unlimited Supercharging who has perhaps 160K miles. He does Uber/Lyft with it and literally is Supercharging everyday.

[@cyclopsvision6370]

I remember reading that Tesla doesn't allow unlimited free supercharging if the vehicle is used for commercial use, like Uber and Lyft

[@BurrQ19]

@@cyclopsvision6370 - That applies to now. Wasn't a stipulation back then.

[@David_Polak]

I was looking for this reaction. I was surprised that Lawrence didn't mention that he had free super charging because I remember the performance models from that time had this. Quite a unique feature for a Model 3.

[@BurrQ19]

@cyclopsvision6370 - My fellow Tesla friend now has over 200K miles on his P3D used for Uber/Lyft. The only thing different if he has to take the car to service is Tesla will not give him Uber/Lyft credits, and no loaner car. This is their policy. He uses the Unlimited Free Supercharging everyday.

[@theproffessional9]

4.1 Mi/kWh and 10% degradation qre some great results, especially with almost solely fast charging.

[@bonya4585]

I got my M3P at the end of September 2018. I got free Supercharging for life as a promotion. My car is the same as I the day I got it. I got FSD at the time for 5k. This is my forever car. I love it. Wrapped the console and the front. Also, I paid $1500 for the white exterior, which is now free. White interior. I love my dinosaur! Good luck Joy with getting 11.4.3. Got mine yesterday. My new model S got the new update this morning. 💯

[@BurrQ19]

I am in the same category as you. Picked up my P3D with Unlimited Supercharging on Sept 30, 2018. I do wish we had the heat pump, and automatic rear trunk. I'm only hitting 41K miles. Our car had a corrected range of 299 miles, and now I see 287 miles almost 5 years later. In NYC and go through Winters. Another fellow P3D owner I know in the same area has been doing Uber/Lyft with the free Supercharing being what made him pull the trigger. We both have FSD. He has around 160K miles. I do not know his adjusted range loss, but he literally Supercharges everyday multiple times.

[@bonya4585]

I’m in Florida, so heat pump is not a problem for me. 23k miles for me. I do miss the automatic trunk, but I have everything else that I want and love. I’m keeping mine as long as I can. I remember the price I paid and less than two weeks later, a big price drop. Oh well. What I would not do, I would do for love 🎶

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

@@BurrQ19 JUST FYI…THERE ARE GOOD TESLA AND AFTERMARKET ONES AVAILABLE…🤗💚💚💚

[@BurrQ19]

@Budget Audiophile Life-long - There are aftermarket and Tesla retrofit heat pumps for earlier cars wit the Octovalve?

[@TeslaJoy]

Nope.

[@slyguyaction]

I think I've read somewhere that the initial 10% drop in capacity is something you'll see almost immediately as the battery "wears in" the first 20k miles or so. After that, it's very gradual. I don't see anyone having any issues getting 10 years and 300k miles out of this battery. The car would drive the same and you'd only see 40-60 fewer miles of range for a full charge. We love our 2022 RWD Model 3. Just great cars.

[@kristoferibarra3170]

Great video Joy!! I have same car, same miles, same supercharging. Same degradation at 12%

[@TeslaJoy]

Wow!

[@DirtyTesla]

Great video!

[@michaelsmithers4900]

Great Video !

[@rsxking2004]

Awesome information! I just picked up my MYP white on white

[@TeslaJoy]

Congrats!

[@brianroberts3312]

Great to get this info! The BMS is working great. It will be interesting to see how Tesla’s in harsher climates do with battery degradation when they get to this type of mileage. My degradation curve per the Stats app showed greater degradation this past winter (91%) vs 93% now. I’m in New England and have an Aug 2021 MYP with 17K miles on it.

[@fredbloggs5902]

Bjorn Nyland in Sweden has KZbin videos on that.

[@moen7748]

Great info. Where did you buy the triangle tires?

[@jeffnreno5080]

Love your videos as they fly in the face of all the anti-EV naysayers that push the idea that you can't own an EV and live without home charging. Sure, it may be easier or more convenient but you and Lawrence are proof it can be done without too much hassle. He even says he still enjoys the 10-20 minutes he spends at the superchargers a couple times a week. Our 2018 Model 3 LR Rwd with 51k miles still gets 298-300 miles on a full charge. We had the 12v replaced under warranty and the only out-of-warranty repair so far cost us about $150 for a temperature sensor. We bought our second Tesla in Nov. of 2022 which is a 2023 Model Y LR and can't imagine owning anything other than a BEV or Tesla.

[@vt828]

👍 ty, very informative

[@gsogymrat]

Good review. I bought a Model 3 RWD in March 2023 and I'm very satisfied. The one thing the performance model had that I wanted was the premium sound system so I had it upgraded aftermarket.

[@Ranbo5]

Thanks for the video, Joy. I have a 2020 LR with about 25K miles and I seem to have lost about 8% of my capacity. I try not to worry having read that the steepest decline is in the first 1-3 years of ownership. Maybe mileage is not the only factor. Maintenance has been great so far ($0.00), however I will need new tires soon!

[@tonymiles89]

This is amazing! The key point he made was that he only charged up to 55% or 60% every day or two days!

[@wilmermorales5773]

Very impressive !

[@jamesbruce1183]

My first mod on my Model 3P was to replace the wheels with 18" forged wheels and of course different tires. Immediate improvement in ride quality. Tires are much cheaper too. My lifetime is 274Wh/mi.

[@zackfeldstein4140]

Can second how well they hold up. At 164,000 miles on mine with very heavy track use/abuse and is still holding up well.

[@TeslaJoy]

I know how you abuse yours, Zack. 🤭

[@Andersljungberg]

The question is whether it is the number of years or miles that is decisive or perhaps how many times the car is charged and how it is charged. the battery will probably get hotter if you charge in fast charger for 30 minutes or more Than if you only charge for 10 minutes like Joe . Especially if the cooling down is not so good and the air temperature is high

[@2JZGTEPhanFoeLife]

@zackfeldstein4140 did you primarily supercharge as well?

[@jamesbruce1183]

Good stuff. I have a 2018 Model 3 with black seats. I only have about 35,000 miles. Only about 20% Supercharging.

[@takkathan]

thank you for sharing 😊 … wondering if you have any ppf done to your cars?

[@TeslaJoy]

Nope!

[@dkgong]

This is great! Doesn't Lawrence have lifetime free supercharging? I got my M3P in November 2018 and it has lifetime supercharging.

[@yeahbuddy92193911]

What brand were the cheap tires? I might go that route if I just need 1 tire to replace instead of paying $400 for an OEM.

[@gokaruna]

Based on Tessie app I have already lost 11% of the capacity in my Tesla MYP in two years. I hope it does not drop any further!

[@tp3684]

I replaced 4 tires for my M3 2021 LR @35k miles with Good Years brand and drove from Dallas to North/ South California upto 95 mph (5300 miles + fully loaded) , climb to Sequoia / Yosemite in New year 2023 with icy roads w/o any issue.. get them from WalMart for $125/each tire....fyi

[@samwilson2300]

Just wow!

[@carlosrios7088]

How many sets of tires has he gone through ?

[@chrisr.4774]

thanks for this update Joy, Also what kind of tires do you think is recommended for a tesla model 2019 standard plus?

[@TeslaJoy]

Talk to your tire shop.

[@chrisr.4774]

@@TeslaJoy Thanks! what tires do you use for your tesla?

[@TeslaJoy]

Watch this video. ☺️ kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqekfphsppV6hMU

[@TheLastMoccasin]

If you ever watched wet/dry braking and handling tests of those cheap tires you might think twice.... Usually emergency braking distance are substantially worse on cheap tires, especially in the wet!

[@Andersljungberg]

However, it is said that there can be a difference between tires in terms of rolling resistance and how they are on a wet road. Then the question is if you can too, will there be a difference in sound level? from car The tires

[@kennethjones8683]

I got my performance model 3 white on white in July 28, 2018 in SoCal. It's nice to know how long the battery lasts.

[@TeslaJoy]

I got mine on July 14, 2018. Marina Del Rey. 😄

[@GenericAF123]

Nice! Battery life is a concern for folks who doesn't have EV's.

[@ChrisandKnight]

My model 3 long range RWD was at 153,000 miles and still had 92% original capacity remaining (scanning the CANBus network information) I sold it last week for $20k and bought a 2018 long range AWD with only 35,000 miles. Solid replacement

[@TeslaJoy]

Nice!

[@zo0m111]

How much did you buy you your original for and how much did you pay for replacement model 3?

[@ChrisandKnight]

@@zo0m111 original new was $51k and my replacement was $32k.

[@techyjames1945]

I am curious about that supercharging only. CyberLyft another u-tuber had to replace his Standard Range at around the 150k mark. Now he was charging more than once a day, but like your friend he only had access to public charging networks. I wonder if you would occasionally do Level 2 public charger if it would help. Based on the size difference I would think by SuperCharging only maybe around the 200k mile mark would be the same life cycle. Although that lower target charge could be helping.

[@anthonyscott5134]

Remember also that CyberLyft put those 150,000 SuperCharger only miles on in only two years I believe. That's a WHOLE LOT of cycles, Supercharger only cycles, in a relatively short amount of time.

[@Crunch_dGH]

6:50 Did you replace the 12V with the newer lithium ones? Note: Lead-Acid batteries are only rated for 3-5 years, while lithium is easily > 2x that. Does he have aftermarket mats? Only on front (driver) &/or rear + trunk(s). My son’s March ‘22 M3P is outstanding with 8.2% degradation, per Tessie, despite always ending his days managing Speed Ventures track days, with a full session!

[@TeslaJoy]

2018 only takes lead acid. No lithium. I did a separate video on this last year that you can refer to.

[@jaimem.192]

My 2018 M3 LR is a little over 122K. Estimate degradation is also 8-10%. Minor issues, maintenance and repairs probably cost less than if I had a regular ICE car for sure.

[@TeslaJoy]

Amazing!

[@Polemic-2525]

Joy I really love rocking your videos. I like the subject matter. I’m saving for a 2025 model 3 long range. I want to have it by June of 2025. Can’t wait to do my 1st drive from Las Vegas to Los Angeles to San Diego and back.❤

[@TeslaJoy]

Thank you!

[@Mr_Battlefield]

How many oil changes would a typical ICE vehicle would need within 155 thousand miles? Not to mention all the times you have to get out of your vehicle to pump sticky dinosaur fluid into that ICE vehicle.

[@carlosrios7088]

Also, how many miles did he get out of the cheap tires, vs the OEM? I used to have an 06 Acura TL. I would run kumhos. I think they're Korean. Cheapest tire that still seemed decent quality. But now with an EV, I'm not sure if they would be as good. Or if tire companies marketing has worked and I actually should run tires made for EVs. I hear they have different compounds and are a bit stiffer to support EVs heavier weights.

[@Lnetta2Lteezy]

Thanks for this video. I'm not sure what the factors are for battery degradation but my 2020 MSLR is down like 11% with less than 20k miles. I purchased used this year so idk what the previous owners did but i charge on the 120v at home very slowly (apartments) and sometimes supercharge. I hope my battery at least stays at this level and doesn't degrade further 😅 maybe its just a toss up with manufacturing?

[@JeanPierreWhite]

IMHO age of the battery and climate its used in are primary factors for degradation.

[@kennethhandin5506]

Don't know what your charging habits are, but i had the same experience. I had been charging daily from about 60 to 80%. Someone recommended waiting until 20 or 30% to charge and charge to 90%. I did that for a few weeks and now I see only 6% degradation. I've also been told to charge to 100% from time to time (using the car soon after charging) to help the BMS actually reflect the charge in the battery. May work for you as well.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

@@kennethhandin5506 The procedure you describe helps to re calibrate the BMS so it reports accurate capacity. I just took a long road trip discharging down to 10% and as high as 90% on recharge. It added exactly 1 mile to my total remaining range. This procedure can work, but it doesn't always work.

[@Trust_but_Verify]

Had my 2018 M3 LR changed 12v at 65k miles after the 1st warning came up. $110 at Tesla center because I don't want to wait a few days from Mobile Tech (otherwise even more time saving).

[@dangrass]

I'm beginning to think that how you charge doesn't make much difference. I have 53k miles on my 2019 LRDM Model 3 that's been mostly charged at home, with maybe 30% supercharging. My car has currently lost about 9% of its capacity. Will be happy if my battery is in as good shape as his at 150k miles.

[@douglasnewman2127]

?? Do you recommend PPF?

[@ctnicetune141]

Nice car!

[@Patriot3]

The tire recommendation is worth considering in dry climate . The factory tires are terrible or just not anything special. The micheline cross climate tires are amazing but not $75.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

The factory tires are just fine for the purpose they were designed for. The 4s tires are very sticky to provide awesome grip and handling. To achieve the grippiness Michelin have to use softer materials which results in tires wearing out relatively quickly. I agree the crossclimates are an awesome alternative at about half the price of the OEM tires.

[@Lobo243]

Can you tell us which apps can we look at for checking the tesla lifetime battery.?? Thanks...and how the apps works ....I think is a new video for you 😊🤙

[@TeslaJoy]

Stats app or Tessie. You can check out Stats app videos on my channel.

[@Andersljungberg]

In Sweden we have engine heaters poles even if you live in an apartment because here it is cold, for example -4F in January. this is also how petrol cars should be heated using electricity. But it is something you can order and pay for if you are a tenant. maybe there can be exceptions

[@bertagbayani6120]

10% loss on my 2020 M3 LR AWD, bought it as a demo car, it had 311 miles on 100% SOC. Today it fluctuates between 274 & 278 mile on 100% SOC. > 200 miles & 90% freeway driving per day to & from work at least 5 days per week. I have now past 112 000 miles broke the front windshield and rear top roof ($1800). $1400 non warranty front suspension issues, 2 tire changes ($955 each). The car is very fast, and very stable at 145 mph. I've been pissing off other motorists especially in the streets. I'll keep this car and put at least 250,000 miles & see how the battery holds up.

[@ken830]

Since I live in the Bay Area and put in the order on day 1, I got probably the first Model 3 Performance... July 2018, from the Fremont factory... I was on track for 25k miles/year, but COVID happened and I basically stopped driving for the last 3+ years. Now at 31.5k miles and Tessie is reporting ~7.0% degradation. Feels a bit high. Our Model S, which was just replaced with an X, had 160k miles over 10 years and still had ~90% of original range. Very curious how a 2018 with FSD still has the lifetime trip meter untouched. 2018 was delivered with FSD HW 2.5 and during the HW3 upgrade, the Tesla tech told me the trip counters and some settings would be reset and sure enough, mine were.

[@TeslaJoy]

My setting wasn’t reset during HW3 upgrade. Everything was in tact.

[@ken830]

@@TeslaJoy Now I'm curious if it was just me or did Tesla change the upgrade process some time. I had a mobile service tech do the upgrade on March 13, 2021. Was yours done before or after that and was it at a service center or mobile? I wish I had my original trip stats because I had just under 200Wh/mi lifetime average. Now, I drive very infrequently and in very special circumstances that is not a regular commute so my average consumption since FSD installed is just a little above 200Wh/mi.

[@TeslaJoy]

I know that happened to some people unfortunately. You can also watch this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3SloJ9jZZqSaJY

[@WilbertIsRandom]

Did you change the brake fluid? I've heard it absorbs water from the air over time and losses effectiveness.

[@TeslaJoy]

No.

[@patriciabarro35]

What are your thoughts about supercharging every 2-3 days a week if I charge at 20% to 90%? I drive 80-120miles a day.

[@TeslaJoy]

Totally ok!

[@jaykid007]

Wow didn’t change control arms until 150? And only $200? Interesting. Hope that happens to me!

[@Franklinsone]

I also have free unlimited supercharhing on my LR Model 3. I supercharged 100% for 120k miles. My battery dropped to 275 mile max at 15,000 miles and its still at 275, but I do rarly see 284 miles some times.

[@TeslaJoy]

Amazing!

[@JeanPierreWhite]

My 2018 AWD Model 3 has about the same level of degradation, I charge almost exclusively on Level 2 equipment at home. Recurrent says 8% other measures about 10%. I have only 50,000 miles. It would appear that battery age and climate are the primary factors not mileage or charging habits. I change my 12v battery every two years as a preventive measure. It's very cheap to get Tesla to do it using mobile techs. This avoids being stranded in the middle of nowhere at an inconvenient time.

[@thomasgeorge4098]

Did you replace the brake pads and rotors within this 155000 miles?

[@TeslaJoy]

Please make sure you watch the entire video.

[@marvmoder8628]

Great information

[@billmurvihill9697]

Chiming in, I've got 135,000 miles on a 2018 Model 3, LR RWD. Battery at 91% of original 310 miles. Charge primarily at home using a 90 amp connection installed at the main electrical inlet panel. Hit Superchargers 1-2x monthly. Maintenance so far: - 2 windshields ~$800 @ - 2 roof glass ~$800 @ - 1 underbody wind screen (torn by hitting 6" standing water at 60 mph) ~$175 - 1 12v lead acid battery ~$85 - 3 sets of tires Cost of owning this car is ridiculously low. I would have needed the windshields in an ICE car, but not the roof glass. Aside from the glass, maintenance totalled $260 + likely 1 additional set of tires that an ICE car wouldn't have needed.

[@TeslaJoy]

Amazing! Thanks for sharing!

[@ba177ba18]

I have the 2020 Model 3 Performance with 17k miles, I already change my 12 volt battery once 🤦🏻

[@anthonyscott5134]

There is another model 3 owner who uses his car doing Uber. (KZbin channel, Cyberlyft)He only Supercharges due to not having a home charger. I believe he's put about 150,000 on his car in a two year timeframe and had to get a new battery. This is with A LOT of Charging cycles though due to using the car for Rideshare. He has no complaints, again, being cognizant of how often he's charging and only charging using Superchargers.

[@anthonyscott5134]

Tesla Joy, have I missed it, or is there a follow up/ending on your level 2 charger install?

[@TeslaJoy]

No. It’s still stuck. Sigh. Update video coming soon. 😖

[@jaykid007]

I would think your getting the beta today or tomorrow. I got mine a few days ago. Usually I get mine after 2 days of you like the last 7 times so not sure how I got ahead of you. Odd.

[@TeslaJoy]

Nope. Won’t get it for another week.

[@LearningFast]

240 Wh/mi lifetime average in a Tesla Model 3 Performance is simply unbelievable. Is this a Stealth Performance Model 3 with 18” wheels? So what is your secret to that kind efficiency? My Model 3 Performance lifetime efficiency is 265 Wh/mi and I thought that was pretty good.

[@Nessal83]

My wife averages 220wh/mi on our M3LR 2022. She drives very conservatively.

[@LearningFast]

@@Nessal83 that is pretty hard to do with the larger wheels. Does yours have the 18” wheels?

[@Nessal83]

@@LearningFast yeah 18" stock wheel

[@john9663]

Would like to have Lawrence address the need, or not, for a sunshade in sunny SoCal and if it preserves the white seats. Also, does it have PPF, mud flaps, or ceramic coating on his white seats? His car looks beautiful. Obviously, he must take good care of it.

[@TeslaJoy]

None of the above. As he mentioned in video, he doesn’t baby this car.

[@john9663]

@@TeslaJoy Thanks, Joy! Great video by the way! The car is impressive in the way it has held up. Thank you.

[@bachtruong3926]

Wow, 240 wh/mile average life time is impressive. My long range model 3 2018 average 280 and counting up since its losing its efficiency. Lately getting 300+ wh/mile average. Mine is 145k miles, garage charge mostly, lose almost 15% battery.

[@Andersljungberg]

Have you charged the car correctly i.e. to 80% or have you perhaps bought a car that did not have the perfect battery So bad luck

[@bachtruong3926]

@@Andersljungberg i bought new, had long commute up and down mountain, so mostly charge to 90%, mostly garage charge

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Yeah 240 is phenomenal. I am at 271 lifetime. The freezing temps in the winter in Tennessee mean I get poorer efficiency due to the resistive heater.

[@jjj32801]

8% degradation after 80,000 miles on my Model 3 after 5 years. Only SC on trips. Otherwise 110 volt charging at home.

[@uDubRiceBoy]

Please help link to $75 tires please

[@TeslaJoy]

I believe he said you can get it on eBay.

[@Mladjasmilic]

Electrical engineer here: One of the things that kills the batteries is the number of charge cycles. If you drive a lot in town, every time you slow down, the car charges the battery a little. So in 5km drive, car could go though 10 charge-discharge cycles. But in you drive the most at high speeds, you almost never regen, and that is good on battery. Also, not having to accelerate makes battery last.

[@TeslaJoy]

Electrical engineer here: Yes in theory but where’s the fun in that in real life? 🤣

[@Mladjasmilic]

@@TeslaJoy I have an e-bike with no regen. Almost no degradation after 7 years of use.

[@TeslaJoy]

@Mladjasmilic ummm e-bike is different from Tesla BMS. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@MandMMan]

2:07 what app is that, I NEED to know!!!????

[@TeslaJoy]

He uses Tessie I use Stats.

[@Andersljungberg]

maybe has to do with how long he charges the car. It is perhaps after 30 minutes that the temperature starts to become significantly higher in the batteries? . Then there are also chargers in the USA with 50 kW. ?Such a charger will probably cause less heat. By the way, it is not possible to lower the amperage in the Tesla while it is charging

[@TeslaJoy]

Superchargers are at least 72kw speed.

[@Andersljungberg]

@@TeslaJoy I meant that it might be good to use a charger that is not as much as 150 kW

[@JeanPierreWhite]

@@Andersljungberg Rapid charging isn't as bad for batteries as feared by many. Age and climate are the primary factors.

[@Andersljungberg]

But is the number of miles decisive for the battery or is it perhaps instead the age Or that you only charge up to 80%

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Yes age is a primary factor, not mileage.

[@dan.roberts]

​@@JeanPierreWhite wrong its the combination of both

[@JeanPierreWhite]

@@dan.roberts Primary factor does not mean the only factor. AGe then mileage. Yes its both but not in equal proportions.

[@dan.roberts]

@JeanPierreWhite many more factors too including temperature extremes and charge cycles

[@JeanPierreWhite]

@@dan.roberts For sure.

[@elliottmitchell4246]

How can you make meaningful conclusions about range degradation with different brands of tires- presumably with greater rolling resistance than the original equipment Michelins?

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Tires and efficiency of driving is totally separate from battery degradation. You are confusing range per charge vs overall battery capacity.

[@samjam6989]

That's crazy, maintenance on 155000 miles even on a regular reliable Honda civic or Toyota Corolla will run you about $6000 give or take IF no major maintenance is needed and it's only for regular wear and tear. So oil change twice yearly, transmission fluid change, brake fluid change, changing 4 bake pads twice, changing tires, adjusting of timing belt or chain, battery change etc. That's at least $6000 on gas car without any major maintenance which could happen like transmission change or radiator change or torn serpentine belt etc. Add in the price of gas in my city for regular gas being $2/Liter and it makes Tesla worth it in the long run even with the higher price tag compared to a regular ICE car. So even if I keep a gas car for 6 years, I would need to pay $6000 more for fuel taking into account the electricity charge for Tesla. That will be $12000 more to maintain and fuel a gas car over a 6 year run compared to a Tesla

[@SuperCatbert]

pretty insane. ive spent thousands on a bmw in 130k miles. maybe 6-7k in maintanance

[@TeslaJoy]

Right?! Why anyone would still buy a gas car now is beyond me.

[@boscohome]

The model 3 performance 2028 was $65200

[@carloslemos6919]

How much is a kWh in California?

[@TeslaJoy]

It varies by locations.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Type this into Google. "How much does 1 kWh cost in California?"

[@rezidentbivrip]

I drove Uber in a Tesla rental for a month and a half and I loved it. I was always afraid maintenance would be really expensive, but this sounds very reasonable, and I would 100% get the cheap tires if i had one. A bit out of my price range (a lot out) but one day I'd love to have one! 🥰 Thanks for this review! It was great! ❤️

[@Angry397]

I would check the battery light through the onboard computer rather than some app. IMO your battery is very very close to putting you down on the street.

[@TeslaJoy]

What battery light? 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Angry397]

I mean battery life

[@TeslaJoy]

So how DO YOU check a Tesla “onboard computer?” I’m curious to know.

[@Angry397]

I saw a KZbinr do it. It it’s in the battery health in the setting on the monitor in the car. That guy checked his at that time his car had like a 100,000 or something and his degredation was down to 7% at that time. When he would charge it up he still was getting like 260 miles on a full charge. His Tesla was a 2018 or 19.

[@rtriplett3135]

and what year and model do you have?

[@Andersljungberg]

The recommendation is that there should be between 20 to 80% in the battery. So not under 20% and not over 80% And apparently absolutely not close to zero for several days because then the battery can age quickly. According to what I heard

[@TeslaJoy]

What you heard doesn’t matter in real life usage. This video proves it.

[@Andersljungberg]

@@TeslaJoy Unless there is another Tesla that is just as old and has the same number of miles but has more of the battery capacity left

[@Andersljungberg]

@@TeslaJoy The climate can also play a role if you live in a place or a country but significantly colder temperatures so maybe it can have consequences. Then an electric car consumes more power in the winter when it is cold. The weather in California is definitely not representative of the entire world

[@samjam6989]

So technically if someone buys a corolla at $30,000 my city pricing, adding $12000 makes it $42,000 which is similar price to Tesla model 3 after government rebate. So buying a Tesla, you can break even after 6 years compared to cheap and reliable gas car like Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla. Keeping the Tesla more than 6 years would make it more economical than a Toyota corolla or Honda which are cheap budget cars and not considered luxury high tech cars like Tesla that have a lot more features than a basic corolla.

[@Gomera_]

I wish. I have sr+ 2019 rated 240 at 100% I get 198 at 100%. And of that I can only use 120 if that . Idk how KZbin’s have such good battery in all there teslas

[@haroldvargas01]

That’s way more than average. There are statistic graphs for Tesla battery degradation and you have around 20%. You’re wrong about KZbinr’s having better degradation. 12% in 200k miles is the average according to Tesla and that is a lot of miles. How many miles have you driven?

[@Gomera_]

@@haroldvargas01 my car has 48,000 miles

[@bruceblosser384]

The important thing is that he is NOT super-charging the car up to its full potential, which should mean that the batteries are be stressed less, than if they were fully charged each time!

[@TeslaJoy]

How do you know?

[@vicwigner]

Where do you go to put cheaper tires on your Tesla? Tesla service centers are not going to sell you cheap tires.

[@TeslaJoy]

Where did you buy tires before you owned Tesla? That's where you'd go with your Tesla. Tesla doesn't make tires.