Tesla Model 3 SR+ Geilo test

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[@theb9902]

This test brings good insights for people like me who don't have a chargingport at their parking spot. The cold startup tests bring insights what I can expect in Winter.

[@joemcdonough7509]

This is an excellent test. I have a 2015 Model S and one of the awesome things that Tesla allows is using the heater and power ports while charging. It's 32 degrees where I am tonight and I was toasty warm while charging in a parking lot. It also heats up the battery if you navigate to a supercharger after leaving your house. Compare that to a recent Toyota Prius plug in hybrid rental I had. The charger is level 2 only, which is a disappointment enough, but even worse, you can not continuously run your HVAC or electric power inside. It gives you about 10 minutes to do so and even then it requires an annoying process of button combinations. Also the supercharger is ridiculously easy and open 24 hours, unlike gas stations. You literally unplug the handle, plug into the car and either walk or way or keep warm inside while charging.

[@richardpetek712]

This is NOT what you should expect in winter. Bjorn gave a perfect solution what you should do to avoid this problem - (rapid) charge in the evening while the battery is still warm. About 70% SOC should be perfectly sufficient to have absolutely no problems the next day.

[@theb9902]

@@richardpetek712 Yes, of course. That's always the better way, but when im dangeling here around the city and suburban area I can't expect the battery to be warm at any time of the day. That's valuable insight. Because it shows that Tesla (at least with LFP) has to heat up the battery in order to charge even at 10-20kW. I think they do it even on AC. For someone who has a plug at the parking spot this is not wasted energy, becuase it will be used afterwards during driving to heat up the cabin. For someone like me who has no plug on the parking spot it's either a significant waste of energy when I'm chargin in the evening or I have to waste time in the morning waiting for the battery to be heated up. For my current situation a car like a Kona or Niro which charges with ~20kw at 0°C battery temperature is from a overall energy to time waste ration better.

[@philorgneopolotin8762]

The efficiency of the model 3 is pretty amazing. If you aren’t constantly flooring the car, which admittedly I do cause it’s so much fun, your average efficiency is outstanding. It really is such a great car.

[@linnsoltwedel]

I know, its so hard not to do it when driving a Tesla :P

[@MrSpuzzz]

I’ve read that the SR cars w LFP batteries are significantly slower. Like 0-100kph in 6 seconds. That takes a lot of fun out of it, but probably helps this car get maximum range, which is very important for SR owners.

[@DG-uv3zw]

@@MrSpuzzz Its under 6sec so thats still very quick! LFP might get performance boost in the future, we never know... 5.5sec is pretty damn quick anyway...

[@fischwaffel96]

@@MrSpuzzz The new "SR+" (which is now just called Model 3) has a slower 0-100 time because of the 60kWh battery. I've an "older" Model from June with just 55kWh LFP which is half a second faster.

[@philorgneopolotin8762]

MrSpuzzz i have one of the first LFP’s released in the US when they still had the 5.3s 0-60. Meaning mine has the performance motor to match that same acceleration as the old SR+’s. If I had to bet I’d say mines even faster than 5s 0-60. So it’s definitely not “significantly slower” issue. Still just as fast, and heavier, and still gets insane efficiency. It’s just an all around great car

[@richardpetek712]

The takeaway lesson for winter, as shown in the video: Rule 1: Charge during the night to as much as you want / need / can. Rule 2: If you can't charge during the night, rapid charge in the evening. Rule 3: If you can't or didn't do either, navigate in the morning from one rapid charger to the next (making short legs) until you reach one where you get a really good rapid charging speed. At least this is valid for any EV which can (and does) pre-heat the battery while driving.

[@Cornetto1997]

Kia and hyundai be like nah, warm battery is for losers 😂

[@RsOnTheStreetS]

Or buy a used fossil car when you don't want spend time with thinking about this😂

[@peteregan3862]

@@RsOnTheStreetS If you live in a large city you make many lifestyle adjustments due to air quality. EVs make for better city lifestyle.

[@e-herm2726]

@@Xanthopteryx .. that's an exaggerated story🤷

[@ProfessorHamer]

I would change the last rule, what’s important is enough capacity in the battery since raising its temperature must be done with energy in the battery, so it makes more sense to do everything before the first charge.

[@ellistreloar2047]

Your comments at the end of the video, emphasising the intelligence of plugging in AC overnight charging, need to be repeated more often in your videos. Many owners will be able to use a home charger at cheap overnight tariffs for 85+% of their charging. In my first year of EV ownership I charged at home and paid only 5p (6 cents) per kW. I have used 15% public charging, half at free destination/retail AC, half at fast DC chargers costing c. 35p (42 cents) per kW. Overall my cost per mile has been 1.8p (2.1cents). Compared to my 1ltr 2 year old Fiesta, I have saved nearly £1500 in a year. That’s amazing. Hey Bjorn, will you help potential EV buyers understand this in a future video? Usually you only talk about fast DC charging.

[@no-damn-alias]

Wow. Electricity is so cheap at night in the UK? I just can dream about that in Germany.....

[@axelnils]

Lol that’s more expensive than during the day in Sweden

[@no-damn-alias]

@@axelnils then have a look at the price of household electricity in Germany

[@erickessler6094]

Thanks Bjørn, It was great to see a real-life cold weather stress test. I'm very encouraged. I am surprised to see how risky you take it going down to 3% or less. It really shows how confident you must be in the car. Cheers, Eric

[@bjornnyland]

No problem because I was going downhill. If I was going uphill, 3 % buffer is more risky. Another thing to remember is that I knew that the battery was going to be heated up at low SoC. Going to low SoC *and* have cold battery, that's risky.

[@richh650]

Bjorn after watching so many of your videos it is clear that you absolutely show and explain more EV information than anyone else on KZbin. Another great video sir!

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

Bjorn is the BAUSS!

[@braspi3164]

Thank you for testing charging speeds at different battery temperatures! Exactly what I needed to know for my trips!!!

[@DG-uv3zw]

To recap for winter: Start the journey after charging...(home AC is the best) Always navigate to charger(best SC), arrive with= 10-15% SoC. After a sleepover and no charger available, park the car with at least 20%... In the morning, preheat the cabin and just navigate to a charger...(ideally you drive at least 30min) So simple actually with a Tesla...

[@mariomotorcyclediaries]

Hey Bjørn, some of us here are experiencing an improvement the charging speed of LG pack E5D 77kWh that was installed in 2021 M3 LR. This happened after the 2021.40.6: Maybe it’s worth to re-test one year after in similar conditions if possible.. nice music btw 😉

[@rafaelo1]

You have any link to this new charging curve?

[@mariomotorcyclediaries]

First reports indicate an increase of 10-20 kW over the whole charging curve.

[@dpie4859]

Interesting. I own this model. Please share more info if you can.

[@rud]

Hmm interesting. The car he is driving is updating to 2021.36.5.8. I have that as well. not sure which battery I have though.

[@freakydeXter]

@@dpie4859 10-20kW faster with the 2021.40.6 Firmware, see link above. 5% - 80% in around 30 Minutes. ;) I own a Model Y with the same battery and now the "biggest flaw" (I know first world problem) of my car will soon be gone.

[@DG-uv3zw]

Great Geilo test. Should become standard for all EVs. So few people understand coldgate issue, it`s time to educate us all...

[@mistermister2085]

This really is the perfect ev for the masses. Simple to use and super efficient. Maybe if they could soften the ride and add some noise reduction it would be about perfect.

[@Stewiedude1]

I'd agree with this once they get the charging infrastructure in place. Until then I much prefer the peace of mind of the LR, even knowing the larger impact it has.

[@harsimranbansal5355]

Get model Y for softer ride. It’s a better car too. Tesla will introduce a SR model Y soon as they are selling that in china, so they can export it to Europe.

[@rjbiker66]

@@harsimranbansal5355 Y has a firmer ride.

[@ProfessorHamer]

I disagree, this and other videos show that LFP is not yet suitable yet for those without overnight charging in cold climates.

[@_TrueDesire_]

@@ProfessorHamer so SR Mach-E is a better choice for us with -25 degrees? living in apartment , don’t have access to a charger over night.

[@alexxander4572]

I´m glad i listen to you when i bought my EV 7 Months ago. Tesla M3 SR+Mic, great car. I'm happy with it.

[@jimbulgerin9621]

What a gorgeous outside hotel view, with all the lights!

[@kkitzhaber]

Thank you for the research! LFP batteries are good. About 8 years ago, I added a 7 kWhr LFP aftermarket pack to my Plug-in Prius and tripled the range (to 45-55 miles). They worked well.

[@samusaran7317]

Very nice.

[@TunekoLtd]

Driving an ev in norway is no problem with the vast charging network. You have the next fast charger just around the corner. In some parts of the world next 50kw charger can be 100km away from previous one and no real fast chargers anywhere. I was able to get my id3 58kwh to limp mode fastest drive speed only 7 km/h when hotel all charger plugs were in use in the evening. I arrived there at 5% battery left. Well in the morning I plugged my car to the charger and it was really slow charger that used 1x16A. 6 km/h was the charge speed. When battery was charged to 7% car started to move little bit faster and I was able to drive to the faster charger that was 2.2 km away. Nigth temperature was only around 0 celsius. What I should have done in the evening super tired from the trip to first drive to fast charging station wait there 30 to 40 minutes and then go to sleep in the hotel one hour later and get one hour less sleep. This situation happens with all journeys if you dont have home charging opportunity.

[@DJChrismaz]

I like the music at the beginning !

[@KarolMiklas]

I see I'm not the only one singing 'Go West' when navigation says so or destination name checks out. 🤣

[@xxquackixx178]

Man the warm LFP charges faster than my 2019 SR+ with Li-Ion.. I only get 70kW max at 50% and this drops fast at higher SoC

[@J0hn1o1o]

LFP is also Li Ion. I think you wanted to say NMC

[@xxquackixx178]

@@J0hn1o1o yeah, you're right. i meant the batteries with the NCA chemistry

[@AndrewKeyz]

"Why are the hotels so cold.... at least we have a fridge". You won't need a fridge if it's cold. :-) Another great video Bjorn.

[@SongSong415]

After your last video on EV6 plus my 2nd drive tur with EV6, I have decided to wait for the Berlin Model Y. Because I run into an issue where the EV6 I drove could not be shifted to Drive for 10+ minutes. I guess it was a software failure. Even though I have settled with my idea about what to buy now, I will keep on watching your videos because I learnt so much and I like the way you are being you in your videos :-) Please try to test more during winter time. In Denmark it is already -4 now and the real harsh winter comes in February. I guess it is similar in Norway with colder temperature. The long winter is ahead of us and I would expect to learn more from you about EVs operating in Nordic winter. Thanks for the great work Bjørn!!!

[@Arne_Andersen]

I have this car and I have no problem in winter condition, consumption in the cold is what my friends iD4 had in the summertime.

[@samusaran7317]

Thats why you compare apples to apples. Of course a crossover will not compete with a sleek sedan. Compare a model 3 with something like a og ioniq or something comparable.

[@simonmint3602]

Takk :)

[@adg16610]

Tesla advises to select the LR or better if you need to drive in cold weather, I guess this test shows that if you still select the sr+ (with LFP) it is not so bad …

[@ericvet8b]

Another great test!! Interesting video and how to do it all the wrong way 😝 and to explain to people how should be done. I have definitely noticed since the last 2 updates with cold weather improvements that the cabin heating is better, performance when cooler battery and much more regen with cold battery without precon (if I forget). And I definitely much prefer to drive EV in the winter! So many reasons!! 👍👍

[@theseb1979]

Whilst watching one of your vids I saw an advert for dreamcase. It is basically a cool bed that can fit into the back of vehicles like a Tesla. Seems like a perfect sponsorship opportunity for you, considering how often you sleep in cars

[@thomasj1148]

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[@theseb1979]

@@abraxastulammo9940 no way. I must search for that video then. Thanks for the info

[@ProfessorHamer]

I think the message is that you need to leave enough capacity in the battery to warm itself back up, so Tesla should perhaps calculate it and put it in that warning message that “you will need x percent /km to warm the battery at this temperature”. Then you need to enable departure preheat before your first charge. They can at least help with software, but ultimately it might help to better insulate the pack underneath, or if it’s windy, offer a “skirt” for the car while parked.

[@WestCoastAce27]

Bjorne ‘that’s how we roll’ Nyland. Amazing test procedures; really taxing the battery system. Great charging options in NOR.

[@ronexus]

Nice to see LFP works flawless even in this constructed case. Would be interested to see a test-drive regarding: Heating the battery and scavenging heat during the drive. How much kWh loss there is in a longer trip compared to batteries that need less conditioning on similar conditions.

[@christianseiler1250]

Flawless? Once it had below 10 kW and the first charging was also unimpressive. So I wouldn't say flawless. Tesla is doing what they can but the limitations are there.

[@kruemelfelix]

@@christianseiler1250 This would not have happend at the first charger if Bjorn would have set the route to the charger instead of the gas station. The car since a while now also has nearly all fast-chargers next to superchargers on the map and when navigating to them it will also preheat. This was a constructed scenario which is unlikely to happen in the real life.

[@harsimranbansal5355]

@@christianseiler1250 this was a test to see if you do everything wrong how bad can it get. Turns out just navigate to supercharger and you’re all good to go, even if you can’t charge overnight.

[@kruemelfelix]

@@harsimranbansal5355 You don't even need to navigate to a superchager. Navigate to any known-fast charger in the Tesla navigation system and preconditioning will start too.

[@harsimranbansal5355]

@@kruemelfelix ahhhh, yeah I don’t think we have that here in canada.

[@harsimranbansal5355]

From what I vaguely remember, the tesla heat pump system runs the same fluid multiple times over the evaporator or condenser to heat it up and that way you get heat in the cabin more quickly. That’s how they can also work in lower temperature. Also since the motor can stall and generate heat, the heat from the motor can be transferred into the cabin through their coolant lines.

[@noamV]

Those HVAC guys are fuckin smart, at least as much as the powertrain guys.

[@_TrueDesire_]

Polestar 2 use the heat from the batteries and motors too (if you got the heat pump option).

[@SirHackaL0t.]

I like to use the energy chart as well as it shows when you will be going uphill and downhill as well. It also shows how much you need to get to your next destination. You can also tap on the top of the route window on the map and at the bottom of the directions it normally shows how much you will need to get to your destination.

[@DS-pk4eh]

On my recent trip with Model 3 LR (about 600km in total), average consumption was about 16.8kWh (average 100kmh, with top speed at 125kmh). I did not precondition the battery and I was getting 50kwh charging speed on Supercharger (150kwh). I tried 4 different on that location, and was getting the same speed. Also, have feeling if I use Autopilot, it uses more energy than if I am driving the car. Being that I am more relaxed when I drive, I do not mind.

[@noamV]

Autopilot uses the exact same amount of energy driving on highway speeds, speeds like 90km/h or more. But if you take traffic into account, everytime you're braking you're more efficient than autopilot, using your foot and regen. But at 120km/h, there's no difference between manual, TACC and full autopilot. Also precondition the battery gives you less charging time for a bit of money. But a really small fee. It's up to you to put a supercharger in the gps to get 150kw and even more on a LR (up to 250kw on v3 !). It's always a good idea to precondition the battery if you're in a hurry, but if you don't mind slow charging speed you can live without it.

[@DS-pk4eh]

@@noamV When you drive, you adjust the speed, you lift your feet and it kind a is different way of driving. Cruise control just has the accelerator on all the time. So small difference, but its there.

[@noamV]

@@DS-pk4eh you're right but not at constant highway speed, autopilot is as efficient as your manual driving, even better than you actually.

[@filippopagliuca]

Hi Bjorn, Tesla released a charge speed increment for Model 3/Y LR with LG pack (75Kwh net capacity. 77Kwh gross capacity) thanks to a new software update 2021.40.6 It's seems that now they can charge 10-20kw faster than before. They also started delivering new Model 3 SR+ with updated LFP battery pack (60 Kwh) and new LG pack for LR version(79Kwh)

[@bjornnyland]

Awesome

[@luisfernandes4145]

"ABC": Always buy soda🤣👍 That's a nice test, the beginers test, "listen to uncle Bjørn, this is how you should not do it!" 😁👍

[@deas1972]

Great first song!

[@babu981]

you Should take a NCA and an LFP tesla and do the same tests at the same time with someone driving the other. We would have a nice compare

[@doggnamedchip]

Geilo test is back baby ! :D

[@garys6898]

Been waiting for this one before you even thought about making it

[@luisag763]

Nice info about LFP batteries!

[@PuNicAdbo]

I love your randomly thrown in German words it is fun

[@cuciureanuvasile]

I love the music road......

[@rud]

This was super interesting.

[@VoxelLoop]

I noticed that at some point Tesla greatly improved regen with a cold pack. Now you'll have pretty strong regen, but it can only be sustained for a few seconds with a cold pack. This is perfect for slowing to a stop like you normally would. No more letting your foot off the accelerator, the car has absolutely no regen, then you go flying into an intersection much faster than you expected. :)

[@nachocollantes7602]

I think you can navigate to third party chargers too. Here in Spain, you can navigate to a good amount of chargers and when you do that, the car start heating the battery as if you were going to charge in a Tesla supercharger. It is not all (the chargers) available in the navigation, you have to use the apps and blablabla, but there are few fast chargers and the battery get prepared for fast charging.

[@bjornnyland]

You can. I already mentioned it in the video.

[@nachocollantes7602]

@@bjornnyland uh, didn't noticed. Sorry Bjorn. My Spanish is much better than my english 😅😅

[@e-herm2726]

No problems and have fun in winter...👍

[@toby9999]

Funny when you said you wanted some cold weather when it was already cold. You see, in my country (Australia) people complain about cold 20C droughts in the office. People are already bundled up in coats and scarves at anything below 20 lol.

[@berthogendoorn2133]

I lived in Alberta Canada where often -40Deg.C. is not big issue, as a matter of fact when my Daughter was born it was -48Deg.C. good thing the hospital had a plug ins for the fossil car block heater or we would be toast. Interestingly, that 120Volt AC 1.5KW plug in would likely be enough for Tesla to keep its battery warmed up! You always have starting issues with fossil and you need gas line antifreeze (methyl hydrate) to keep the fuel lines from freezing the moisture in the fuel. Mind you slamming a Tesla car door at -48Deg.C. might sound awful! If the car sites overnight often the tires feel like they are square as the rubber is too cold at first and the flat spot takes time to round out. Yes I told many people Tesla's work fine (or actually better than fossil) and do not worry that you plug into a super charger and it shows 0KW at the start, as the Tesla is preheating the battery at the start, just wait a short while and charging power will increase and finally show up on the display.

[@berthogendoorn2133]

one thing that Tesla could do with their software actually show the battery is preheating and what the power it is using to do this, come on Tesla get with the program!

[@peteregan3862]

So LFP cells will perform really well in Australia. Tesla should put a lot more insulation around the battery. In cars with 4680 cells, the car carpet will essentially be the insulation between the battery and cabin - the battery lid being the floor pan.

[@willaerley7140]

If the battery is running hot, I don’t think you want it to keep cooking with more insulation.

[@peteregan3862]

@@willaerley7140 the aim is to have all the heat energy in the vehicle being shared where most needed, and excess going in and out the radiator.

[@Taraquin83]

Impressed that you get 15kW regen at 1C battery mid temp. Takes a while to heat up it seems, but also keeps the temp for long time.

[@nicodevisser]

I LOVE Solo! They have it in the hotel in ski, let me know if you want to see the CATL powered VDL citea. I'll be here until the end of next week

[@nickieredshaw7835]

Thanks for another great video update

[@71johnf]

I have noticed that my Model 3 preconditions for supercharging way earlier than it did last winter - I have noticed it starting over 2 hours before charging. Maybe it’s to make sure the battery is warm-soaked before charging.

[@kennethtan300]

This is Elon time, remember 🤣 24:33

[@repeltol]

Good information. What about testing a case where you charge it full and then drive about 15km twice per day without plugging it in and before each drive you preheat the car to defrost windows. Wondering what is the average consumption / range. Valid case for us that don't have possibility to charge at work/home right now but are considering buying the base model 3. Wondering if charging it once per work week would be enough when it's around 0 degrees and how it changes when it gets colder.

[@richardpetek712]

15 km, 2x per day, 5 days a week - that's 150 km. Consumption in winter? Maybe some 180 Wh/km, that's 27 kWh. Heating up the car twice per day, 2 kWh per session (to have a bit of margin) - that's another 20 kWh. On a 50 kWh net capacity battery, this might get razor thin. Charging when it gets colder? AC - no problem, the cold has barely any impact on the charging speed unless you charge with less than 7 kW. DC / Supercharger? You've seen the video. After driving for merely 15 km, the battery would barely heat up, the charging session to 95% would probably take an hour, possibly even a bit more.

[@qb4hkm]

I dig that beat ;-) (the first one, in case there is more ;-)

[@MrTechfreak95]

Sounds like synthwave... love that genre :) Don't know the song tho...

[@MrTechfreak95]

i guess it falls in the sub category outrun ;)

[@timmot123]

If the battery and car is preheated there is only a minor difference from summer driving, but driving on a cold battery really eats up those electrons

[@Jjengering]

Did you notice the fans running when the car has been sitting a while in the cold? The car is Keeping the battery warm I think. It would be useful if you could test exactly how much it is using to keep it warm

[@bjornnyland]

Yes. It's using heat pump to heat up battery. That feature was added this year.

[@Jjengering]

@@bjornnyland it seems to be more noticeable on LFP, it would be useful to know the drain for heating on standby for LFP Vs NMC during winter. Thanks for the great information as always.

[@kasmopaya2676]

LFP battery should always set to 100% charging limit, right? That is what Tesla told me.

[@GreenDriveIndia]

That's right, LFP feels happy at 100 often

[@dr2okevin]

The LFP cells also dislike to be on 100%, it is not just that bad for them. But the BMS needs from time to time 100% to calibrate , because LFP has a verly flat voltage level. Best is probably charge from time to time to 100%, but don't let it sit on 100%.

[@kasmopaya2676]

@@dr2okevin That is what I think too, but Tesla told me otherwise. With about 1 Million km expected health on LFP, it probably doesn't matter much. Just let it be on 100%. We will see, the data will tell the story. Time will tell. Degradation will be tested.

[@GreenDriveIndia]

@@dr2okevin that's right.. if it has to lay idle for long time put between 50-70% charge.

[@MichaelEricMenk]

@@kasmopaya2676 What Tesla told you is incorrect. LiFePO4 last longer if you keep the voltage low. The lower voltage of LiFePO4 cells is one or the reasons that they last longer than other li-ion batteries. The battery needs to get to a cell voltage of 3.55V to be able to balance effectively, where 3.65V is max voltage. Tesla most likely charges to 3.55V. Tesla most likely told you a "white lie" because high cycle life of LiFePO4. If you look at the spec sheets of LiFePO4 cells, they typically have 2000 cycles with 100% DOD and 6000 cycles with 80% DOD. Considering that the car most likely will not allow you to do a 100% DOD, you are talking about a daily full rundown of the battery for over 15 years before the SOH is 80%.

[@i.c.gflyingchannel9985]

in German you can say this test was GEIL! :D

[@kevin42]

The afterburners are the PTC heaters. The heatpump pumps heat to and from components of the car (including from the outside). If its not feasable to pump heat from the outside into the pack, it uses the afterburners to generate heat which is then pumped instead. The heatpumps just that - a heat pump, the actual heat still has to come from somewhere. The "magic" of using a heatpump lies in the ability to transfer heat to and from components even though there's an enthropic gradient that would usually forbid you from doing so by just pumping liquids.

[@bjornnyland]

Incorrect. The "afterburners" is actually motor(s) generating heat. You see it in Scan My Tesla.

[@kevin42]

@@bjornnyland thats what i meant. You coined the term... im using your term lol

[@JanSevera]

ICE cars are going 70 km/h in the 80 zone probably because of an inaccurate speedometer. They are probably keeping 80 km/h on their speedo, but GPS speed is only 72 km/h This is a law requirement where the speedometer can't show higher than actual speed and usually, the car maker plays it save.

[@erlendhansen9246]

My Toytota Avensis does exactly what you say. 50 km/t in the speedometer are 45 km/t. Then it slowly get worse gradually. 110km/t are 100 km/t.

[@bjornnyland]

Incorrect. Most cars have about 2-3 km/h error, not 10 km/h error.

[@mokopekar735]

It depends. My previous Toyota Yaris Hybrid (yes, Toyota drivers, I know) reported 53 km/h to 54 km/h at 50 km/h, 107 km/h at 100 km/h, 140 km/h at 130 km/h, so 7% error. My current VW ID.3 on the other hand consistently reports 2-3 km/h more, regardless of the speed. Not perfect, but much better. So 10 km/h error is not unusual, at least for Toyota drivers...

[@MarcosRodriguez]

Very good video again. Thanks

[@danielroden9424]

the kona (niro?) has a default setting for heat in eco made that makes it take 3-5 minutes to start warming up. if you turn that off it takes ~30 seconds for warmish air.

[@saschalauterbach810]

Hi, like your videos, but I don't understand the "winter" tests of the battery. From what I've seen, the battery - especially in cold weather tests- is preheated and charged up to 100%, so where ist the influence on the system, when it is not cold? For me, there this is no wonder, why the range nearly drops as it does in warmer conditions: The cells don't bother if it's cold outside, when they are preheated with energy coming from the Wallbox. What I've figured out is, that the biggest drop in range occurs in the first 10kms, when the car heats the battery up, while driving. If you have a Wallbox and do preheating, this is not an issue. The percentage of range loss drops, the longer you drive, because heating is mainly done at the start. While driving, the e-motor heatens the system up, too. Nevertheless: Energy efficency of a Model3 is great.

[@ExperienceCN]

I know from a German car heating works with PTC water heater so it takes some time to heat up the water channel first.

[@ioniq5125]

The Model 3 SR+ is the new king of Cold Gating and comfortably surpasses the Ioniq 38 kWh in that respect.

[@MeSs2007]

Please try colder range test. You passed my hometown (Sokna). I have a 21 Tesla Model 3 LR which I have tested in -30c... :-)

[@jhchooo]

This video affirms LFP has no issues with cold weather. For AC charging, just plug it in and let the car charge... for supercharging preconditioning is essential or else waste a lot of time waiting for battery to warm up.

[@wgroentje1]

Nice video Björn tx.🙏🙏👍

[@martymar7465]

That reminds me last week my trip in snow storm with massive headwind almost didn't make it to the charger didn't expected such high consumption almost double of summer driving

[@artokiiskinen1058]

Remember Bjorn, you are talking about Norway, with great ladenetwork. Rest of europe is not that great yet. In fairness you should mention this. Of course things change slowly, but for example Finland is 4 years behind norway.

[@bjornnyland]

Europe has great charging network. And if you're driving in a country with limited charging, you know what to do to avoid getting in this constructed case I did.

[@samijokinen9246]

No problem in Norway with plenty of superchargers. Different story in less developed fossil countries, I am not naming any such a northern country.

[@pizzabager]

Efficiency in the tesla is amazing, and is it wasent so ugly i might have bought a model Y, but instead i Bought a Ioniq 5, with is nowhere as efficient But beautiful :)

[@jamexcb]

I just went from Flåm to Oslo and I got -11c. First time I tried to charge never went above 20/40. Wiper froze, fluid forze, tire sensor froze and error, proximity sensors error too and no regen.

[@903lew]

At -11 already? That’s a problem.

[@artics123]

We had minus 15 for a few days in south end of North-Norway. In northernmost end its down to minus 25 and Tesla owners does not have this issues 😎

[@jamexcb]

@@artics123 I was driving a Tesla model 3 SR+

[@artics123]

@@jamexcb fill up a bit more psi/bar to avoid yellow alarm note of low pressure, fill up with flushing fluid concentrate from Biltema to improve freezing point, buy a snowbrush and brush proximity sensors and back camera carefully, put wipers in service mode and smack them against windscreen to remove ice buildup. That is life below zero in modern cars :)

[@bjornnyland]

@Emanuel: You did everything wrong. 1. Navigate to any fast charger so battery preheats 2. Get proper wiper fluid rated for -20°C or lower (or even better, mix yourself from concentrate) 3. Inflate tires enough so you won't get low pressure warning 4. Preheat car and battery will also heat up so you will get regen

[@dominolehmann8227]

25:20 or just enable notifications in the app and get notified when the charging starts

[@bjornnyland]

That's super annoying.

[@DSCKottawa]

Waiting for your Lucid Air review !

[@c-fb]

Geilo FTW!!

[@MrKjetil101]

Thanks for all the good work making videos about EV's, Bjørn. Can I ask which app you are using to get all that data via OBD2?

[@bjornnyland]

Scan My Tesla

[@Michael-sq8xr]

Great video.

[@jjsantala]

I'd like to see if there is any way to get the LFP below freezing and if so, will it let you charge at all or first heat up the battery, since LFP batteries should not be charged when frozen. Just out of curiosity to see how Tesla has handled this. I'd prefer an LFP battery myself.

[@joshfrench5773]

I was thinking that doing the new geilo test in a tesla was pretty pointless because tesla are pretty good in the cold. But on second thoughts after seeing that huge 0kw coldgate i guess if you switch off the car fully below -5°c youd better have a good 40% SOC otherwise your screwed. Great test bjorn.

[@topicsx]

Bjorn, could you please test and make a chart of battery voltage sag with different temperatures? As you demonstrated at 14:25 you floored it and you got almost 100V (350V to 250V) of sag at 1ºC, it would be interesting to know how it handles it at higher pack temperatures. That way we can understand how the temperature in the pack influences it's internal resistance and pack health

[@reynoldichi1090]

I think tesla has big compressor compared to other car. so it can heat up quite fast.

[@ProfessorHamer]

Thanks, but I think you see that this would play out very differently at lower temperatures. You had enough capacity left to preheat up to decent temperature, but that same trip at -15c to a weekend chalet/hotel with no overnight charging would not leave enough to bring the pack back up.

[@bjornnyland]

Remember that I did *everything* wrong. As I said, if you don't know if you can get charge at hotel, just top up on supercharger on the way. Even just 5-10 minutes is good enough and will save you the next day. Eating takes longer than that time.

[@ProfessorHamer]

@@bjornnyland I fully agree that the planning is important, but at the same time, there are many people that might buy a Tesla and plan to only charge it once a week because they don’t have home charging, but also live in a cold climate. Don’t forget LFP is being touted as the solution for building enough evs for everyone, but the limitations need to be known.

[@Zedus-rl9hp]

Some Central Europeans artificially whine that BEVs don't work in cold weather and pretend it's ABC "always be cold". In Norway, many BEVs drive in much colder weather without major problems...

[@Zedus-rl9hp]

@@abraxastulammo9940 I dont use summer tires in winter, with snow and ice. So why use a "summer car" in very cold climates? That's why such tests and findings are important for the users.

[@martin6717]

Thank you Biørn. I live in Chicago and my Tesla model 3 LFP loss charge as it sits in park. You parked in front of the hotel with %19.6 and at morning it was %18.5. I lose %10 over night sometimes. What do you think?

[@martin6717]

Just a follow up. I learned the battery loss while park is due to sanctuary mood and data sharing and Tesla app being open all the time. Disabled and close all these and battery charge loss will be minimal.

[@dragospahontu]

​@@martin6717 what is your average consumption?

[@rundmc5554]

what wheels are they , they look gorgeous ??

[@taiboydigital]

i need to know too

[@gerbre1]

I'm not a Tesla driver but isn't possible to start climate with one click and hold on the climate icon?

[@xrprovenxrpgeneration1261]

Kjempegreier 👍

[@markinusmarkison2093]

The LFP Batteries cannot by charged below 0 °C. But it can be discharged until -20 or -30. Your Regen on the hotel was about 2 kW. Try to cool down the battery to -10°C or deeper, so Regen shouldn`t be able and charging too. Would be interesting

[@bjornnyland]

Incorrect. Watch 14:20. The regen was 15 kW. Peak regen was about 20 kW.

[@markinusmarkison2093]

@@bjornnyland tha battery was still on 2°C, so it was still possible. It was not below 0.

[@olavtrygvason9599]

More Races Bjørn😄👍👍

[@wavesnowaves]

Does the onboard navigation statistic take into account the temperature ? If it calculates you will have 26% left at the destination, but its -5 outside, then surely it will be a lot less than 26% in reality ?

[@Giulietta1750tbi]

Takes it all into account. Its very accurate

[@nicodevisser]

Music is good sjeet

[@steefen5281]

Really cool

[@karlitono]

So basically also Tesla coldgates just is smarter to heat up when navigating to charger?

[@DG-uv3zw]

Every EV coldgates if the car don`t heat up the battery...

[@GnistoZ]

whit the new update, you can preheat the battery by navigating to non tesla fastchargers.

[@babu981]

really?

[@GnistoZ]

@@babu981 Yeah :)

[@KekszNET]

If the charger is the database (listed in the navigation)

[@bjornnyland]

Did you not watch 8:50?

[@babu981]

Probably just in Europe for now?

[@rolandrohde]

As a relatively new Model 3 MiC owner I love seeing these tests. I have already learned, that preconditioning is everything with the LFP. Without it you barely get above 10KW on a HPC, but as soon as the battery is heated it charges like a boss. One question though...my Model 3 seems to have a problem with condensation in the cameras. In the current weather this means I can't use AP or NoA or even lane assist because the front cameras and side cameras get fogged up and then the car can't "see". Is there any fix or workaround for this? I can see what looks like some heating wired in the front camera, but have no idea how to actually use them...

[@jonnyroy]

Model 3 has no ptc because motor is used as heater.

[@FlorinArjocu]

Noob questions: 1. What happens if you just drive to the charging station and you do not use the car app for navigation (destination set on the charger)? It does not preheat the battery? Let's say you have Google Maps on the phone. Or Waze. 2. In a cold winter moning, if you do not manually set the departure time (or manually start the preheating), what are the disadvantages?

[@harsimranbansal5355]

1. Charging would be very slow, just like Bjorn experienced at the circle K supercharger in the morning. It will first heat up the battery then slowly ramp up, which could cost you 30+ minutes just getting decent speed. 2. The disadvantage is that the battery won’t heat up, so if you need to charge in the morning, you’ll spend a lot more time waiting for battery to heat up to charge than actually charging. If you charged overnight at a destination chargers or at home, you don’t need to charge and the only disadvantage then would be that you will enter a cold cabin, instead of a warm one.

[@FlorinArjocu]

@@harsimranbansal5355 Thank you. I remembered another question, maybe you know the amswer to his, too: if you leave an EV in the airport parking in the cold winter for a longer time (let's say, 2-3 weeks, outside parking), does it empty the battery during this time to maintain some resonable temperature inside the battery? Thanks.

[@harsimranbansal5355]

@@FlorinArjocu this is only a problem for a tesla. Almost all other EVs work like gas cars, they turn off when you turn off the car. The Tesla is like a phone, it does things even tho the screen isn’t on. So since this is mostly Tesla specific, you need to be looking at what things you might have on. If sentry mode is on, It might consume almost 10% a day if its a busy lot. So best thing to do is turn off sentry mode and turn off cabin overheat protection, and just don’t open the app often. Bjorn did a test and if sentry mode is off, the car can last over 2 months so long as you don’t keep opening the app.

[@thorbjornstoltz125]

I would like to see how the LFP battery performs in real cold weather. In a similar condition when we parked our ioniq 28kWh for 3 days (with 100% charge) In -27 to -32c under Christmas holidays 2018! I am curious because we are planning to sell ioniq and buying something else!

[@Solflex]

Energy loss by preheating at 0 gr? On tour: how many kwh is used to preheat the battery from 0 to 37 degrees. Home charge: How many kwh is used to preheat the battery from 0 to? degrees at 11 kw charger Flemming from Denmark

[@ev.c6]

"This is Elon time, remember" 😆