Tesla Model Y vs Toyota Mirai: WARNING, Tesla Fanboys Will HATE This Video!

Tesla has led the charge into the future of battery-electric cars, but is it really the car of the future? What about hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles like the new 2021 Toyota Mirai? In this video, Roman and Tommy take a closer look at both cars.
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[@Innerhype]

I LOVE! when you 2 do videos like this one LOL!

[@jcm9698]

I'd take the Toyota if there were fueling stations, Tesla, needs to greatly improve their quality control before I'd ever consider one.

[@gregorypetty6887]

Me 2! Toyota is way better than Tesla.

[@rogerangell5917]

Tesla quality is going through the roof. Hydrogen is not the future. What is wrong with our education system. Toyota is wrong. Full stop.

[@JoseFernandez-wu8pj]

@@gregorypetty6887 agreed

[@thepcuser5469]

@@gregorypetty6887tesla fanboys would say otherwise, hence why he said in the video title that tesla fanboys will hate this vid, they hate anything other than teslas

[@qx4n9e1xp]

I actually really really love when Roman & Tommy play two different sides of a coin when comparing car features. It gives the different preferences an audience member may have some love. The buyer gets to decide what they like, not the reviewer. Some stuff is favorable, some is not, but both opinions get explored by two likeable guys. Keep up the good work, fellas.

[@jwetzel7207]

What I’m gathering here is that Tommy is actually a 70 year old man at heart. 😂

[@PlymouthNeon]

love how his son says, "but who cares, it works!"

[@JoseFernandez-wu8pj]

Toyota: ENOUGH SAID

[@twinentryturbo]

I recently bought a Mirai and I am now spoiled with the plush ride, the calming feel it gives when driving or riding as a passenger. People with anxiety problem, this is actually a therapeutic experience.

[@kurniawanwidisusanto3619]

So how is your mirai now? 😀

[@twinentryturbo]

@kurniawanwidisusanto3619 oh no you di'int. Dont you dare ask that question. 😤

[@twinentryturbo]

@kurniawanwidisusanto3619 its stuck on drive, up my butt and i cant get it out.

[@dalejones4322]

The speedometer is in front of you like God intended and the car pees itself like a scared poodle. I literally laughed out loud. Thanks guys.

[@user-0179]

massage my personal admin on WhatsApp + 1. ( 9 7 1. ) 2. 4. 8. - 8. 4. 2. 9

[@user-0179]

Tell him I reffed you👆

[@autonewstv86]

Like as always. Great debate back and forth with Dad and Son. Keep these videos coming, best looking cars

[@TheGecko213]

Tesla : teething troubles after 12 years Mirai : A car that pees like a poodle

[@JaredDav]

You can actually use voice prompts to open glove compartment, change temperature and turn on windshield wipers.

[@vengefuliquefury4525]

This is such a fun video to watch, seeing father and son go back and forth. "Sounds like a horny electric toothbrush" had me laughing

[@ttamcc.4674]

🤣🤣

[@plymouthdan7677]

The arguing was funny at first, but really grates after 2 mins

[@Eeaotc02]

By your opinion.

[@BH-lt5vo]

Agreed. I certainly didn't need to hear the forced debate and the 300th description of a Tesla again just to learn about the Mirai. BTW, if you watch the old documentary "Who killed the electric Car" you realize that Hydrogen fuel cell cars will never take over the auto market. Electric cars have already won.

[@KyleDavisMusic]

Especially when in other videos they call those same specs positive. Brutal.

[@ttamcc.4674]

Dude nobody cares

[@mihailbormin]

@@ttamcc.4674 as a content creator I care about viewers opinions. Thanks to them I can make a better product. So if you don't care doesn't mean no one cares

[@ntphan]

Technically, both are electric vehicles. The different is how the electricity stored on the vehicles, large battery vs small battery + hydrogen (stored energy).

[@camberwellcarrot420]

And presumably that hydrogen tank can be refilled in times similar to conventional ice vehicles. Big win.

[@ntphan]

@@camberwellcarrot420 Hydrogen can be generated/stored on site at local gas/petrol stations (technically possible with just water and electricity at a cost of course). We are nowhere close to that. Basicallly, building out the infrastructure for hydrogen is a huge cost obstacle. Expanding electrical grid is also exxpensive but maybe a bit easier since it's something we already have.

[@Menga213]

@@ntphan you can store more energy with Hydrogen in longer terms. You can convert hydrogen for more practical purposes like POWERING a electrical system, just like a generator unlike these batteries.

[@ntphan]

@@Menga213 Perhaps, but generating hydrogen is still quite expensive since it doesn't occur naturally on earth as H2. Any H2 in the air would dissipate into space. Keep in mind storing hydrogen is dangerous and costly as well. It is the smallest molecule (2 smallest atom-width) so it tends to slowly seep out of whatever container you may have over time. It's best to generate it and use it instead of long term storage.

[@Menga213]

@@ntphan Perhaps but that can be said about any gasoline car. They are flammable and dangerous. The infrastructure is in its infancy your not supposed to have 1 million stations over night. Many companies are skeptical because our ignorance as consumers. Consumers don't know any better. They are sheep, THEY DO AS THEY ARE TOLD. This is why there is a craze for electric cars. When they are actually just worse in the long run, environmentally, strategically and economically. Trust me, Even if USA doesn't get with the program about getting a alternative fuel; the whole world will move ahead without them. Asia is heavly investing in the Hydrogen infrastructure. We will always play catch up and complaint when its too late.

[@colingoldthorpe5918]

If you’ve ever worked with Hydrogen you’d know it’s always prone to small leaks constantly....

[@ttamcc.4674]

That shouldn’t be a problem if it’s made by Toyota

[@speedy0231]

@@ttamcc.4674 😂😂

[@느낌표-t1l]

pretty sure toyota engineers are smarter than that

[@mihailbormin]

@@느낌표-t1l in order to overtake the industry, every manufacturer should be smarter than that. While you waiting for that to happen, simple electric cars overtake the world. It's so simple, even you can make one in your garage

[@Jayismynickname]

Let’s hope Toyota drivers will still be able to drive no offense to the good ones

[@gregs6122]

You guys should ‘accidentally’ back into a post or something and see which vehicle gets repaired first 😂😂

[@erickisel8668]

LOL!

[@kayu7941]

Now that's funny.

[@voidofbeeswax]

Ha ha!

[@michaelerzuah1105]

Savage comment😂😂😂😂

[@jimclay1969]

LOL.... I felt bad for the kid when he did that.

[@alanrickett2537]

5 minutes to fill up if you are in the first 4 then wait an hour for the tank to get back up to pressure

[@Kevin-sr8yx]

Tommy: “It turns oxygen into water, which sustains life.” Oxygen: “Am I a joke to you?”

[@KenLyns]

Oxygen slowly poisons you over 70+ years. That's why you eat antioxidants.

[@alphaxfang]

well you need both to stay alive...

[@stumpedii8639]

ya but what did they do to get the electricity.. and what did they do to get the hydrogen.. are either of those clean and efficient?

[@JoseFernandez-wu8pj]

@@stumpedii8639 I could argue the same against the dirty origins of the electricity Tesla gets its power from.

[@CTimmerman]

@@JoseFernandez-wu8pj Even on coal power, BEVs are cleaner than ICVs, because cars are relatively small and don't use giant exhaust scrubbers.

[@PeterFinnTheCarDoctor]

Great Test, I will test Mirai ! 👍😀

[@Menga213]

Test out the NEXO if you get a chance.

[@lexre5948]

1 kilo of Hydrogen cost me $17 bucks and that 1 kilo gives me about 50 miles. Soon as my 15k runs out no more hydrogen for me.

[@Menga213]

@@lexre5948 15k dollars of free fuel for 3 years. Is a great deal for a lease. Gas price going up, no point in paying that gas TAX. The Lease average is about 12k miles. so you should be more than Okay. Hydrogen prices will keep dropping every year so in 6 years when all of there incentives are over. The price will drop again. The supply will continue to increase Since semi-truck are hoping on the Fuel cell very soon.

[@ronjoseph4131]

Quebec, British Columbia, Ontario and Alberta have hydrogen power refill stations. Iceland and Canada have been using Hydrogen buses for over a decade

[@arhamkhakwani5851]

I thought they are only in Quebec, Ontario and BC Interesting

[@redbaron6805]

Hydrogen makes sense in buses and trucks. The train has already left the station on cars. Simply not efficient enough nor cost effective enough.

[@fernandop1]

*I tell you this, FUNDAMENTAL BUTTONS like turn signals shouldn't be digital, some buttons must remain analog/mechanical.* But filling the hydrogen is way too expensive.

[@erickisel8668]

If I ever gave up on ICE, I’d believe in hydrogen fuel cell technology over EV.

[@enmanueldelacruz9906]

🤣🤣 I think this is the funniest episode ever. Nothing like a father and son arguing

[@julienlebreton3635]

tommy is absolutly right. i hate those new empty dash

[@HeikoGT]

What was not discussed about is the price of H2 and the availibility of H2-stations.

[@drewflynn8973]

I am amazed that Tommy doesn’t slap his dad 😀

[@ruimachado8560]

hahaha

[@themeach011]

I was thinking the other way around hahaha

[@MariuszChr]

@@ljviks22 I think the same, it's hard to watch this forced lines.

[@MariuszChr]

@@ljviks22 I think he is not exclusively hating Teslas. Every comparison he takes a role to find stupid arguments. Same with TRX vs Raptor. While here it was the worst. And yeah, how can you say anything remotely practical about this car if you cannot fill it up?!

[@Brian-iv5pz]

😆😂

[@GianCena407]

This video was incredible, the banter between dad and Tommy was pure comedy!

[@garthhowe297]

He lived until 90 because his pelvis wasn't broken by a stiff ride. Best reason ever!

[@sharpshooter012345]

"This is the most useless thing I've ever seen dad" Roman: hehehe i beg to differ

[@keenansavaiano6572]

This fuel cell video was great but it really downplays the benefits of going electric. It is actually MORE convenient for me to charge at home then to stop at a gas station once or twice a week. I also have a 310 mile range on my model 3 which is more then I'll use any day unless I'm going on a road trip. One might say "road trips on an electric car suck" but I've gone on a road trip once a week over 400 miles and charging is really nice on trips. In a gas car it's GO GO GO if you have to wait 5 mins for a pump you're annoyed because you want to get to your destination. In an EV you stop for 20-30 minutes, grab lunch, stretch, go to the restroom, etc and you feel refreshed after getting in the car

[@KaceyGreen]

"They're coming", all the stations I knew of on the east coast closed

[@RunningOtaku]

Dad: “What are the driving dynamics of this car [Mirai]?” Son: “They’re perfect!” 🤣

[@michaelneuman145]

Has me looking forward to a Toyota EV. I think Toyota will bring real quality and practical design to EV's, best of both worlds.

[@MarvinFontanilla]

Their first BEV (BZ4X) was a flop. Hopefully the next one will be good.

[@paulalvaro6313]

Funny as. I'll stick to my 02 corolla

[@explosivemallard8038]

I would agree, but with the way gas prices are going up, I’m looking for extreme fuel economy and electric/alternative fuels.

[@paulalvaro6313]

@@explosivemallard8038 when they become affordable I'm all for it

[@Menga213]

@@paulalvaro6313 Get a Hydrogen if your in CALIFORNIA

[@mauriciotunnermann9361]

"Peter Parker and Doc Ock argue over cars"

[@ashtaroth1975]

Tesla also paid the first users with the free supercharging

[@hoodieman04]

Tesla also wouldn’t exist without government funding

[@mikefoehr235]

Many point out how Norway is near all EV...Yes but all are heavily subsidized by taxpayer.

[@Isaac-un4cn]

@@hoodieman04 Notice that even with government funding there are no startups making hydrogen fuel cell cars

[@hoodieman04]

@@toddwright662 Thats good to hear they paid it back in full and early. However, my point is they wouldnt exist without the government loaning them money which I dont believe should be happening in the first place regardless of the company or product.

[@toddwright662]

@@hoodieman04 I'm OK with that stance, but then we need it to be consistent; just because a subsidy has been around for a long time, doesn't mean it gets a pass if we're going to hold Tesla to a higher standard. If we just look at cars, existing manufactures have been propped up for decades by cheap oil due to government subsidies of oil production; much of it from our own federal government. Also GM would have gone under and might be a non-entity at this point; others might have as well, but GM is the most obvious one.

[@rl6198]

Love these videos between Dad and Son! My concern with the hydrogen would be the water expulsion during the winter months in the north. If everyone had one, the roads and my driveway will be very icy or need massive amounts of salt all year regardless of precipitation.

[@boringsoaring]

You pull over in the Hydrogen park and push the button to drain. It runs down and helps form the public skating rink

[@unconventionalideas5683]

They have a special feature that stores water and allows you to choose when to dump it and purge it so that this doesn't happen except in appropriate locations.

[@outofthebox5441]

Yeah because mother nature warming above 32 degrees then freezing again at night to below 32 degrees isnt worse than the water emission from a hydrogen car 😑

[@RonnyLux-k4b]

Not true, every combustion engine emits more water than the Mirai. Please watch in winter!

[@HelenFire420]

Personally I think a plug-in hybrid fuel cell car would be great! Maybe a Rav-4 that goes 50-100 miles EV only but 500-600 with hydrogen… just sayin.

[@jeremyv11000]

I would go with hydrogen if there’s was more hydrogen station. Ultimately there isn’t a network so I’ll stick with my Tesla. Charging at home is also more convenient than gas or hydrogen.

[@themeach011]

Absolutely!! The time to fill argument is absolutely ridiculous. Once u have one and never have to stop for fuel u realize not having to go to gas stations is a blessing. And even when we do go on a road trip and have to stop to charge it's easily offset by the time we save day to day

[@noahboock]

Well there’s also the price LOL. Doesn’t the mirai start at $60k?

[@GRANDBEAST]

43 stations nation wide!

[@MariuszChr]

Did they improve methods to make hydrogen? It was super inefficient and expensive to make pure hydrogen, last time I was reading about it.

[@Libertylute]

@@MariuszChr The second law of thermodynamics says it will always be more efficient to charge a a battery.

[@Andrew_Sherman]

So hilarious to see them rip each other. Especially since the father takes the perspective you’d expect of a young man and the son sounds like the boomer lol!

[@dustinboehlke2378]

The Toyota is more money, more maintenance, has a worse safety rating, doesn’t drive itself, costs more to fill up, slower, doesn’t have over the air software updates, has less cargo space.

[@itsajeshwar]

Roman is secretly a 20 year old and Tommy is the real dad here lol. Excellent video as always you guys!

[@taelorwatson9822]

I knew Tommy hated the Tesla from day one. Who backs into a building that is right behind them?

[@bearpaw7603]

Cold you’re cold bro 😎 but true

[@chinchilla2302]

Why do people always talk about the dangers of hydrogen but conveniently miss out all of the terrifying battery fires in EVs that have killed countless people because the doors wouldn’t open because everything is electric?

[@redner51]

Blaze's tail going by the front of the hood lmao

[@acurrymuncher8459]

Lol I saw that

[@HondAcura111]

Thought it was a skunk haha

[@georgeh6856]

To be fair, the Mirai is not only in California. I lived in the Netherlands for two years. The city I was in was using several first-generation Mirais to shuttle senior citizens around town. I don't know whether the Mirai is for sale to consumers there, but there are more Mirais than just in California. Also, there was a Kia fuel cell car advertised on TV there as well.

[@dennistardiff9667]

The bantering was hilarious.

[@Bradsmit]

I just got a model 3 and I love it !

[@Menga213]

You should of got a Hydrogen.

[@jlam9234]

​@Menga213 your argument didn't age well

[@grahambrown42]

I have Electric in my garage.😁 No pressurised hydrogen unfortunately 😔

[@user-tb7rn1il3q]

Fuel cell vehicles are better in urban areas where you can’t park in a garage with a 220 outlet.

[@grahambrown42]

@@user-tb7rn1il3q Just need a Hydrogen supply infrastructure!

[@dannyspeed]

@@devinbender8428 Norway had an explosion

[@ymcpa73]

@Allen S Gas stations are everywhere. Hydrogen station are rare. That is why Tesla built out their charging infrastructure when there was nearly none. Charging at home is great (I will never miss going to a gas sation), but eventually you will drive far enough where you will need to charge. Sure waiting 1/2 an hour is a bit inconvenient, but with the range of these cars you were likely driving 4 hours and will need a break and maybe a meal. So, everything works out.

[@redbaron6805]

@Allen S A Hydrogen facility blew up in CA and FCV owners had to park their cars for months until it was up and running. Ignore the garbage from this Allen troll, he doesn't live in reality...

[@NotFinancialAdvice]

Hydrogen isn't happening.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Oh its simple. We got no bloody hydrogen around here. The next hydrogen station is over 300km away and it costs 15,-- Euros for 100km wheras i drive my Tesla for 2,40 Euros for 100km. And i charge at home. Just now. Where is hydrogen? Nowhere to be seen...

[@poplaurentiu4148]

I'm from Europe here is better to have an LPG car which cost a quarter of the price from same amount like 1Litre of petrol to fill up.. So if i would have to choose, i would choose none from Tesla & Mirai, but i would gladly take this M3 BMW v10 -LPG instead : www.ac-schnitzer.de/en/bmw/concepts/2007-gp3-10.html

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@poplaurentiu4148 Thats ok for germany. Those EVs in germany all run on brown coal anyway. And for Poland. They run on black coal. All others please don't listen to that. EVs do not only cost less energy but also have less running/repairing/service costs and taxes. Calculate for yourself. I pay less for my Model 3 Long Range with 0-100 in 3.9 seconds then for a measly Golf TDI base model. Of course not in Germany... Who wants a plain old VW Golf? Hands up please. And who wants to drive the fastest most safest sleek family sedan and run circles around all those Porsches and Lamborghinis out there? Hands up please...

[@poplaurentiu4148]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 I'll give you the thing started Tesla to switch all brands to ev's but now since competition is start rising among all ev's are many other better quality options on the market : Xpeng P7, Ford Mustang-e, Polestar C2, Lexus UX-300e, Kia e-Niro, Hyundai Kona ev/ new Hyundai ioniq, MG E-Motion and the Lucid.. i mean there is plenty to choose from..

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@poplaurentiu4148 Then do it. Choose. I don't mind. Tesla doesn't mind. Elon doesn't mind. Only humanity minds. Choose any other EV please if you don't want no Tesla.

[@poplaurentiu4148]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 I will definitely switch when all big oil companies will switch and the EV offer will grow big enough and the charging stations and service network will cover at least 99% of the Earth..

[@timaustin2000]

I mean, I know he's playing Devils Advocate but,... That infrastructure isn't coming. It isn't. Toyota and Hyundai are the only two mainstream car companies on the planet with active fuel cell investments, now. Nothing at GM, Ford, VW, Nissan, Stellantis, Volvo,... Nothing. Not even Honda, who canceled their Hydrogen R&D last year. Two car companies cannot produce anywhere near enough cars to make the insane investment in infrastructure worthwhile - not at $1million a pump. Not going to happen. Hydrogen cars are literally going nowhere.

[@XLTBlarg]

Umm wasn't that the same for plug in electric a decade ago?

[@timaustin2000]

@@XLTBlarg nope. The electric infrastructure existed back then: electricity was generated in thousands of powerstations and could be accessed in hundreds of millions of locations: people's homes. Public infrastructure didn't exist but only cost a few thousand dollars per device - far, far, far less than hydrogen pumps and their infrastructure, which is in the $Millions per single location. Hydrogen vehicles DEPEND entirely on public infrastructure. Can't work without it. Battery electrics only need a 240v power supply at home, which most people have. Not remotely equivalent. Not even close.

[@peterhaeberlin7479]

I can imagine myself buying the Toyota, but not in a life time the Tesla. To have to finger on a screen for everything would drive me nuts.

[@themeach011]

It's not bad once u get used to it. In one sense it's nice to have everything in one place. It's also cool that you can run so many of the features through your phone. For example, being that the heated seats are run through the computer and not through a button I can warm up the car from inside the house before I leave and turn on the passenger heated seat and the rear heated seats if I'm taking my family with me, all through my phone. Another interesting thing is what do u have to do with basically any car to get the new features that are coming out in the newly released model year? Answer trade in your car for the most part. With my Tesla any time a new feature is released it just does an update and now my car is better than when I bought it. Obviously if it's a physical part of the car it can't update that over the air

[@BullittKid08]

@@themeach011 lots of cars can do that

[@Singuy888]

You can do anything in the car by pressing the little scroll wheel and voice command it. This includes navigation to opening glove box to adjusting mirrors. All the interior lights, wind shield wipers, anything you can think of can be controlled voice command. It's like there's an Alexa in the car and no one ever talks about it.

[@themeach011]

@Nomen Clature my Tesla certainly isn't perfect by any means there are many things about that make me shake my head about the car. I just feel like a lot of people have misconceptions and opinions that aren't founded in actual ownership experience so I try to share my experiences, positive and negative. And my experience has been overall positive and enjoyable and it makes me question when people are fear mongering about range and charge times and the screen and everything else without actually living with those things on a day to day basis. I had severe range anxiety until the first time I actually drove the car. Once I realized how it all works that anxiety was gone. Once I realized the benefits of being able to refuel at home instead of having to go wait in line a crowded gas station after work when it's minus 30 outside. My charging concern was gone. Once I lived with the screen for a couple days I was no longer concerned that I didn't have buttons or a gauge directly in front of me. That's just me and my opinion based on my actual experience. I was concerned about those things before as well until I actually owned the car and my fears were proven to be unfounded.

[@themeach011]

@@BullittKid08 which cars specifically. That would be cool to do a comparison of the apps that the manufacturers offer and their functionality.

[@Slim1986]

I was dying the whole time, them going back and forth.😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@sultanniazi2394]

Forget the review. You both are like top gear father and son. What a wonderful father and tommy you are a PHENOMENAL SON. All the best.

[@TylerRivera635]

I love how he’s trying to justify the silly features of the Tesla.

[@mohamedhamde6611]

Hydrogen cars are cooler

[@toddstearns8437]

The lack of infrastructure is a total non-starter for the hydrogen car. But you guys forgot to mention the whole point of hydrogen: a climate friendly fuel! Except that it’s not!! Most is made from natural gas. So what’s the point of hydrogen?

[@esmoglo]

Fuel Cell infrastructure requires far more cost VS electric also high PSI hydrogen not thrilling. The Mirai is extremely complex, with a high-parts count VS the Tesla. With newer solid-state batteries fuel cell doesn’t stand a chance, and not to mention ditching the gas station is wonderful & charging from home is fantastic with EV’s, not something you can do with fuel cell and for that reason alone it’s a dead technology.

[@towjamb57]

​@@devinbender8428 BEVs don't cut it for tow/hauling, fleet vehicles, and cold weather. FCEVs work and are 2x better than gas/diesel.

[@mikewallace1723]

Depends where you live. Electric chargers not good for all. Hydrogen can replace normal fuel stations. Tesla not of interest due to build quality, interior, for me.

[@charles_xcx]

I agree that electric is the future, but I don't believe Tesla will hold the crown

[@THEREALZENFORCE]

5:38 : "tHiS iS tHe fUtuRe, you can place your phone right here" 1990s car phones laughing, and USB car cell phone charge points exist for long 4:09 : "tHiS iS tHe fUtuRe, minimalist design" Audi e-tron cars Q4 and GT RS, Cupra Born, Mercedes EQS, EQB, Honda-e, Ioniq5, Nio cars, "minimalism is that an excuse to cut production costs but still sell the car at a high price ?" 3:05 : "to primitive people science looks like magic" Level 2 autonomous Tesla drivers ignoring level 3 Mercedes and Honda cars and NIO ET7 way higher range. "tEsLa rELiABiLiTY while ignoring 160000 Tesla car recall 1/6th of total Tesla cars produced" Answer "Ok i have a Toyota" top 3 most reliable cars ever :-) "tEsLa aCcELeRatiOn" Me : "pretty slow against old ZZR1400 and Turbobusa bikes" Mirai guy : "the legal speed is 75mph" Tesla guy :-L "tEsLa cHaRgERs" so Tesla guy is essentially making to same arguments against hydrogen cars as years ago ICE car drivers against EV car drivers. How ironic :-)

[@tcwheel721]

@@towjamb57 "BEVs don't cut it for tow/hauling". Seriously? There is a good video of a MODEL 3 pulling a Toyota Tacoma pickup around in a tug of war. Teslas are far better fleet vehicles than any other car.

[@InvestBetter.]

For what the Mirai costs, it should have the 300HP And it should have a backseat bigger than a Mini Cooper And be available nationwide, with an infrastructure to support it Until it does, Tesla wins this comparison

[@davidjones5059]

that's Toyota making 100 hp cars

[@JogBird]

H2 makes sense for long haul situations where you dont want a heavy battery... e.g. trucking, trains, planes, etc... daily drivers not so much vs bev

[@joshuarosen465]

Hydrogen is 2 or 3 times as expensive as diesel and it's just as dirty because they make it from natural gas. Even when made from clean electricity it's wasteful because 2/3rds of the electricity is lost in the conversion process to and from H2. Trucking is all about costs, H2 is a non starter.

[@Lewis_Standing]

about.bnef.com/blog/liebreich-separating-hype-from-hydrogen-part-two-the-demand-side/ about.bnef.com/blog/liebreich-separating-hype-from-hydrogen-part-one-the-supply-side/ It probably doesn't have a role in trains, lorries. Ships yes. Industry yes, especially steel.

[@WM5000-ek9nk]

H2 will overtake in the Trucks and airplanes

[@RonanB99]

​@@joshuarosen465 Hydrogen can be made by electrolysis of water and it's estimated this will become cheaper than hydrogen made from natural gas by 2030. Long haul trucking will greatly benefit from the longer range hydrogen can offer and quick refuel times.

[@JayMcKinsey]

The Mirai weighs more than the Model 3.

[@peterwilliamson1825]

The exhaust of a hydrogen fuel cell is water and hydrogen doesn't naturally exist anywhere on earth. Correct? Hydrogen is an element and to get hydrogen you need to take a compound such as water (the ash of the hydrogen fuel cell) and split that into the elements that make that compound. IE. hydrogen and oxygen. Isn't that like taking the byproduct of normal combustion, ash and turning that back into coal, oil or firewood? Surely, you have to put more energy into that process than you get back out as hydrogen?

[@javiTests]

I think hydrogen is more convenient for drivers (if the infrastructure was the same as gas stations) than electric cars nowadays. But the problem with hydrogen is that the whole process is not very efficient. From getting electricity to generate hydrogen, then compress it and use it in the car, if I remember correctly, it was around 40% when an electric car is more like 70% or so. I think when the battery technology allows a driver to charge an electric car in 10 minutes for 200 miles/300 km, then the whole hydrogen thing would be obsolete. When that would be? I have no idea...

[@toddwright662]

"I think hydrogen is more convenient for drivers..." When it comes to road trips, I agree; but if you can charge at home (and I realize that's not possible for a significant portion of people) BEVs are more convenient for everyday driving. I've had my Model 3 for about 2.5 years. About 13% of my miles have been road trip" miles in which I concur with your statement, but for the remaining 87% of my use, I strongly disagree and conclude the opposite just as I do when comparing my M3 to fueling an ICE vehicle.

[@javiTests]

@@toddwright662 Yes, if you can charge at home and your trips are below the range of the electric car, you're completely right. I was thinking about long trips but as you said, those can be a small proportion.

[@Urgelt]

Fuel cell economics = wretched. Game over.

[@traviskorda3262]

Yea 400 miles for 75 bucks...if they can half that it would be a lot better option

[@toddwright662]

@@traviskorda3262 At half, it could still easily be more than 2 times more expensive to "fuel" than a Tesla (assumes less than 16 cents per kWh).

[@simsalb]

You guys are truly the Laurel & Hardy of the Automotive world. I couldn't stop laughing throughout the video 🤣

[@jeffmeyer3600]

I'm confused. Who's the younger person and who's the older person in this video?

[@tmill2001]

I can't wait for the electric Jeep Wrangler video from these guys!

[@KAR120C69]

When I drive cross country need something that I can refuel quickly to continue the journey. Right now neither of these two qualify for what I'd want. However once hydrogen refuel stations are as numerous as gas/diesel stations or an all electric can be fully recharged in under 5 minutes we'll look at these again.

[@ariellefrancey]

“To primitive people advanced technology looks like magic, I’m sorry if this looks like magic to you Tommy” 😭

[@DadsDomain]

Hindenburg's fabric covering was doped with a solution that included aluminum powder, and in certain sections iron oxide, which are sometimes used as components in solid rocket fuel. Just saying

[@sqmotorsports9230]

Don't forget thermite. :)

[@charlieg.6242]

I love it: Doesn't pee itself like a scared poodle. LMAO

[@mdragon99]

You a Horny little Toothbrush

[@jeep2003]

With all the watery things going on in that car how do they fare in a freezing environment with things icing up that shouldnt

[@nathankestin1922]

11:52 I literally dropped my phone and started clapping, no joke. Go Tommy!

[@dieselpreetsingh9544]

😂😂😂 He should have also said that Toyota is busy making profit and giving share holders annual dividend unlike a scammer....lol

[@carlov.3017]

If "ifs & buts were candies & nuts". Hilarious! Great vid.

[@jeremychristian1282]

I giggled and rolled my eyes at the long “Fred & Barney” back and forth from the silly father & son!!

[@jaeyocho]

I'm not a tesla fan boy, but hydrogen fuel cell tech is dead technology. It waste so much energy converting to hydrogen fuel cells. The center console tablet controlling every function on the tesla is a cost saving move, nothing to do with future in my opinion. Having said that I like watching you guys banter. Lol

[@zachconroy1443]

I kept waiting for Tommy to say "I'll circle back to that" to all of Roman's questions.

[@JK-iz7is]

Their fake beef is so wholesome. Btw. that Toyota interior is waaaaay more premium than Tesla.

[@exparrot9074]

If the H2 infrastructure were there, I'd take the Mirai in a heartbeat. Hoping to see higher output FCVs as time goes on and H2 filling stations start to proliferate.

[@persuadertron6454]

75 dollars to fill up? No thanks. Game over.

[@johnjones-sv9pe]

That's if you can

[@redbaron6805]

Last time I checked Hydrogen was like $17.49 per Kg or close to $98 to fill up the tank.

[@msg9434]

Wait didnt he say 15000 dollars worth of hydrogen fillup provided by toyota? So it should technically be free no? I did I misunderstand

[@redbaron6805]

@@msg9434 Yep, it comes with 3 years worth of Hydrogen. The problem is, after 3 years, it is $75 to $100 to fill this thing up. Which again is the reason the Mirai sells for $11000 after 3 years, a pretty brutal depreciation from $60k.....

[@camberwellcarrot420]

That price will come down over time presumably. It will have to for this technology to take off.

[@chonyi]

“Soo many filters it’s literally purifying the air” I’m like, how often and much is that gonna cost to replace?

[@MrPikkoz]

5k miles the ,Nexo is 6k

[@bcosVic]

Is the Mirai's supercharger a "Leaf Blower"?

[@DestinysComputer]

Tesla interiors are completely soulless and bland.

[@noahboock]

They’re minimalistic and modern

[@jeffberwick]

17:02 Tommy: "You know what we're doing?" Roman: "Making the old people in the subdivision jealous?

[@autogenome9129]

The oddest element of every video these two make is that fact that Tommy is the one arguing for the "old-person argument" and his Dad is the one arguing FOR future tech. It's so flipped- love it.

[@TheGecko213]

Its planned that way. Adds to the fun

[@TFLcar]

Not it actually is that way 🤣

[@smithjones1906]

Why did I initially interpret Roman saying that you can't call for help when your phone's screen dies as a threat?? lol

[@alanbaines3314]

I just googled “how is hydrogen made”...and most appears to be from fossil fuels. I know you can also argue that electricity does as well for the most part, but are fuel cells really that ‘green’ ( let alone viable)?

[@XxViciousxX]

@@devinbender8428 Battery's are not the greatest thing ether. Remember the battery will go bad eventually and have to be disposed of. Not to mention how bad it is for the environment to make said battery in the first place. In reality all forms of human transport impact and hurt the planet and no one is Jesus because they buy a Prius or Tesla.

[@Caneyhead123]

Incredibly inefficient fuel -> electricity -> Hydrogen -> electricity -> kinetic energy Vs fuel-> electricity -> kinetic energy

[@muayyadalsadi]

I have an EV and it also have a start button. It does not need to have one but the idea behind it is to make you start while pressing brake pedal (extra safety step).

[@Cars-N-Jets]

Hey hey hey, I never said I hated this video😂 in fact I don't.

[@pacificislander8503]

No matter how toyota argue about fuel cell that they have been doing for years and still there is no infrastructure for it, all i can say is that its a compliance car

[@dieselpreetsingh9544]

It's so uncomfortable to adjust air con settings from a touch screen. Just give a damn dial so I don't have to remove my eyes of the road.

[@onewordhereonewordthere6975]

It's against the law to touch your phone while driving. Automatic suspension of your license.

[@R.Nelson]

Two great cars!! The Toyota look like pretty big car..Sedans do still sell a lil bit...jus not as much as they did 30yrs ago

[@Arpedk]

The Toyota Mirai have a 361 liter boot, the Model Y is about twice as big with the seats up.

[@kelvinhill9874]

Hmm. One thing you guys did not discuss, was the ethical issues related to cobalt mining for the cobalt needed for lithium ion batteries. Forced child labour is an issue in most places that cobalt comes from and the quantity needed for the battery pack in the Tesla is far far more than what the tiny 1kwh battery in the Toyota would need.

[@flyingfox7854]

I liked your comment ...... problem is that most people don’t want to know about the ethical issues and it’s not just about Cobalt mining ...... lots of other products that people take for granted are processed in the same way in the so called third world countries, but not enough people care about ethical related issues as it doesn’t impact their own lives.

[@quixomega]

Cobalt-free batteries are already beginning to roll out.

[@kelvinhill9874]

@@quixomega one or two companies have announced that they have developed cobalt free batteries, but I have not seen anything yet that says that those batteries are in production.

[@rihabandraaifastoyreviewerchan]

That's my boy, I hate to replace ic cars unless it's a fcev

[@johnkechagais7096]

One fills in 5 min and cost $75, and you have to drive to the filling stations, if there were any; the other fills overnight while your sleeping and cost about $10. The only disadvantage of the Tesla is that you wait on long trips to charge for 30 min to 40 min every 3 to 4 hours of driving. The disadvantages of hydrogen is the lack of infrastructure and the cost of fuel. Filling stations are prohibitively expensive to construct and service and supply with H2 which is probably the reason they have not been built out. I am not sure why Toyota cannot see this ship has sailed.

[@rowauthority]

This is a question, not a comment, but in the Toyota, is the "on/off" button not required to turn the car off? I think it turns on when you depress the brake pedal. I am a fan of Hydrogen tech over electricity because I live in a province of Canada the produces 70% of it's electricity from nuclear power and/or burning fossil fuels (primarily coal). Electric cars do not seem like such an "Environmental Bargain" here. Keep up the great work. Thanks.

[@calindor19]

Don’t forgot only in California XD where you can put hydrogen

[@deborahlambesis5248]

Internal combustion engines emit more water out the tailpipe as a combustion product (in weight) than the corresponding weight of the gasoline burned. So much for worrying about the Mirai “peeing”. ICE engines ‘pee’ more, and always have.

[@roadsideguy8409]

2:59 hahaha the dog 👍👍

[@eleanormassaro5195]

😂😂😂

[@Arielzhan92]

I had wanted a Tesla for the longest time. But I've realized that the Mirai is more my style. I fortunately live in SoCal, and there is a fueling station down the street for me. Since most fueling stations are in California, I wonder where you fuel up where you live?

[@randomcommentary6099]

Why is this video titled "H2 vs EV"? What does Helium have to do with this video? I watched closely and I don't see a Hummer, so H2 must mean Helium. Why are you guys talking about Hydrogen? Hydrogen is H1 as it has one electron an zero protons making it the lightest element on the periodic table. Sorry guys you have failed this Science Test. Otherwise, the video is paced nicely and it looks like you had fun making it. Therefore you get a passing grade on video quality. I'm glad you chose KZbin over Rocket Science for a career.

[@randomcommentary6099]

Tommy: "It combines H2 and O" Scientist: No Tommy, or works like this. H1 + H1 + O = H2O

[@PuroNonsense]

“cause im not a gorilla, and i can gently close..” lol you guys make a great couple !