Tesla's Cybertruck: A Cringeworthy Masterpiece - AAH 676

[@bernesto2468]

The Cybertruck is a trojan horse that carries 48V and Zonal Control with the gigabit ethernet ring instead of a plethora of CAN interfaces running through the vehicle, these will be instrumental in a low cost vehicle. Moreover as TESLA disclosed, in the cybertruck only 1 of the 3 motors in the beast uses a permanent magnet motor so the low cost vehicle will not need expensive rare earth magnets. I am not a Tesla fanboy but it is clear where they are going.

[@cuda426hemi]

"Rare earth magnets" is a misnomer, they aren't expensive nor rare as they are man made out of plentiful materials like iron and boron and others with cobalt which is being phased out. It's more political because China makes everything including rare earth magnets and the US just doesn't make anything especially as important as magnets. Obviously Tesla is trying to change that. 👀

[@davincisghost9228]

Nailed it 😉

[@ellsworthm.toohey7657]

Why not build a CHEAP SIMPLE EV for short daily commute directly ??? THIS WOULD BE GREAT and useful !

[@Teddy_M85]

​@@ellsworthm.toohey7657They are battery constrained. They will sell like hot cakes, so 4680 battery production needs to hit on all cylinder. Plus, they have to engineer it to be profitable, unlike the GM Bolt that is sold at a loss.

[@GET2222]

@@Teddy_M85the Chevy Bolt is a SS.

[@jameshoffman552]

Sandy Munro talking about alotropes of steel. This is the best Autoline afterhours ever.

[@MrChevybaja]

nah, the Peter DeLorenzo and guy from TTAC was the best AAH :)

[@glennaustin3897]

Great show Guys!

[@brianbeasley7270]

Tu Le, Sino is a very bright guy!

[@tedg1609]

I loved his comments :)

[@Alexzw92]

What a great way for Autoline to close out 2023. Great Show!!

[@cuistotadomicile]

The best show of the year, Regards

[@epcalderhead]

Reuters. Short seller's best buddy.

[@rogerheuckeroth7456]

Ordered two for my business, as local service trucks. The tonneau cover is perfect for securing tools and instruments. Range is great and we can charge at our shop at very low cost. No oil changes or other regular service. Diesel trucks get about 20 on about $4.00 in fuel. Electrical cost should be about

[@rovert1284]

Hope you have patience.

[@jimpackard8059]

You should have bought one at launch. You could have got one for 40k dollars US and range of 500 miles. That would be even better

[@davidbeppler3032]

@@jimpackard8059 Cybertruck price did not change. The value of money did.

[@rjbiker66]

Why didn't you buy a lightning 2 yrs ago?

[@rogerheuckeroth7456]

@@rjbiker66 Almost did. First of all, it does not have quite enough range for all our routes. And then local dealer was an ass. At first they did not even want to sell one. Then when they had one in inventory they wanted $10K over MSRP.

[@jeffg4570]

I think Sandy’s autobiography should be titled “At the End of the Day.”

[@thedownwardmachine]

I heard one time there was a drinking game where they took a shot every time he said “at the end of the day.” There were no survivors.

[@andrewsaint6581]

​@@thedownwardmachinebrilliant.

[@Dave5843-d9m]

Make it happen at the end of the day.

[@hotrodandrube9119]

And whatnot.

[@jameshoffman552]

This is such a great episode of Autoline After Hours. You have as guests, Sandy Munro, and two of the nerdiest guys ever.

[@ronaldlenz5745]

Sandy, I beg to differ on tire wear with an EV. I just replaced tires on our S at 26,900 miles. All the social media that I follow say tires wear faster than ice. Two main reasons. Torque and weight.

[@waynerussell6401]

"most professional users (Taxi, Bus, Rental) experience similar tyre wear as for ICEVs." Users' experiences of tyre wear on electric vehicles A survey and interview study, June 2022 Report number: 1126AAffiliation: Swedish National Road and Transport Research Institute. "Tires on a modern electric car will wear down much slower than in a car with a traditional internal combustion engine. This is due to good traction control. The driver assist systems reduce slipping by utilizing the electric motor's rapid power adjustment. This system is much quicker than in ICE vehicles, where it is based on braking and limiting engine RPM," Nokian Tyres

[@andrewt9204]

That's been my experience as well, at least on the OEM Michelins. I got 34k on that set.

[@monkeysezbegood]

Torque for certain but really how you drive. I am pretty sure the tires on my wife's car will last longer than the tires on mine!

[@Wwbyoung]

Sandy is a legend who I wish were decades younger. We need more Sandy's.

[@garywozniak7742]

That was a great conversation. Thank you.

[@mpersad]

Some time ago Munro and Associates offered their cost analysis report of the BMW i3, which they had written some years before, to the public for a negligible sum. I think it was less than $20. I bought one. It sits on my PC desktop. It is an astonishingly detailed piece of work, going down to every fastener and screw. Any automotive company that is not using their expertise in the future of automotive design and build is, in my opinion, cutting off their nose to spite their face. If they are still offering this report for sale, and if you are interested in EV design, I'd encourage you to buy it.

[@ImpalamansGarage]

I learned more in an hour from this team about the EV industry than listening to all the nonsense blogger hoopla over the last few years. Thanks John.

[@timmcgee8926]

Another great show with Sandy!

[@DuarteMolha]

John is so locked in to traditional OEMs he is always pushing fud on evs.. and now he is even buying the lie that there is no ev demand. People want EVs .. just not the shit being pushed by the big OEMs

[@bobwallace9753]

When personal computers cost thousands of dollars people didn't want them. When flat screen TV cost thousands of dollars people didn't want them. EVs will become cheaper to manufacture than similar-feature ICEVs. As competition brings down prices people will snap up EVs.

[@ellsworthm.toohey7657]

@@bobwallace9753 EVs COULD BE CHEAP already ! Just make them SIMPLE, just a TOOL for daily commute, short trip.... Currently the infrastructure can't cope with the requirments of these big EVs !

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@ellsworthm.toohey7657 There's only one company that understands this, and came up with a solution. But it recently dawned on Jim Farley, so maybe there's hope. Unfortunately, he doesn't want to build cheap cars.

[@bobwallace9753]

@@ellsworthm.toohey7657 Given that the cost of EVs is largely driven by the cost of batteries, the only way to make a less expensive EV (aside from downgrades like cardboard door panels, etc.) is to market a low range EV. I'm not sure there's enough market for an EV with a very modest range. Give it one to two years. China is driving down the cost of EVs and Tesla is about to start construction on factories for less expensive EVs. Tesla should be in the catbird seat as they scale up their 4680 battery production. Those cells should cost considerably less than any other battery on the market.

[@Chris.Davies]

So, in other words.... They aren't buying EVs. Which is exactly the same as not wanting them, today.

[@MrJimLey]

Tu Le is the Man! More Tu Le!

[@Ava31415]

Brilliant thanks, I think we are living in interesting times....

[@davidmenasco5743]

Speaking of which, I wonder if anti-EV brainwashing and FUD might someday be a topic of this show. Some people are so passionate about the impossibility of EVs, they can't see the world being transformed before their eyes. This has to have some implications for automakers.

[@jeffreyklose6327]

That was fantastic, my first time watching. Will definitely tune in again. Thank you to Sino Auto Insights.

[@Dave5843-d9m]

People don’t get the savings of 48 volt over 12 volt because it’s all about wire cross section area. When we are talking about cutting down high current stuff the savings in wiring metal are huge. BUT fine wires need better support so expect to see thicker insulation. Aluminum is cheaper and lighter but it’s less flexible. For both we should see see better connectors and locating clips.

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

🚀🚀🚀 *WOW........ Sandy's in the house!*

[@jonlivingstone]

Best Autoline in a long time!

[@ranig2848]

Best after hours in a while. You gotta bring sandy over more often. Finally a show that talks about the future without “journalists/experts” that are stuck in the past. Those who think GM and others will survive no matter what need to learn history… same has been said about Nokia and BlackBerry, not to mention Kodak (which invented the digital camera!). So many people can’t handle the change and are in denial that the automotive world is changing right in front of our eyes. Was great to see open minded people finally talking about those issues.

[@stevenichols4639]

Best episode in a while. Great show.

[@fatboy19831]

Wow! That was an amazing show. Awsome information.

[@PaleBlueDotCitizen]

Guy from Reuters opens with "I have no idea." Hallelujah

[@ArthurZakaryan23]

Great show guys, please do it again soon. Such great information. I agree with you guys in every way. The legacy carmakers really are in for a rude awakening if they don't fundamentally change but like Sandy said, changing corporate culture is the hardest thing to do and even if they finally make that decision, it will probably be too little too late for them. Really looking forward to the continuation to this episode.

[@ChicagoBob123]

Best show off the year. Tesla has shown it rocks.

[@mebran1193]

This needed to be 3 hours long

[@jimgraham6722]

After a year of ownership I have just reviewed the operating cost (fuel and maintenance) of my Chinese built BYD Atto3. It worked out at US$2.60 per 100 miles. The vehicle is mainly charged from a 10KW household solar array. I haven't paid that little for motoring since fuel was 25c/gal (late '60s). But of course my income was similarly downscaled in those days. And by the way the Atto is a delight to own and drive.

[@rok1475]

Austenitic Stainless Steel is highly corrosion-resistant, ductile, and formable, while Martensitic Stainless Steel is highly wear-resistant, hard, and strong. The choice between the two types of stainless steel depends on the specific application requirements and conditions.

[@ZipZoomZip]

That's not a very useful generalization because austenitic can be turned into martensitic, simply by work hardening and without changing the alloy, while also increasing its corrosion resistance.

[@rok1475]

@@ZipZoomZip rather than just complaining, why don’t you offer more useful information?

[@ZipZoomZip]

@@rok1475 No one complained, I was trying to be helpful by pointing out that the generalizations you made about the corrosion resistance differences between austenitic and martensitic stainless steel are not necessarily reliable or accurate. It's a complex subject and KZbin comments are not the place to delve into the intricacies of this. Just be aware that it's not as simple as you made it sound.

[@rok1475]

@@ZipZoomZip how would you characterize your “that’s not very useful generalization” comment? My comment was not intended to be a lecture on metallurgy but rather a simple explanation of two terms Sandy used. If you think you can do better please post a comment explaining those two terms in a manner you find appropriate for this forum.

[@donswier]

13:56 "Cybertruck is the BMW i3 of our time" My ugly REx pumped out its little chest today😂

[@rp9674]

It's beautiful

[@jasonmugridge]

@@rp9674 Yes I like the look of it too, think it works better in Europe

[@donswier]

​@@rp9674You're right. Cybertruck also looked ugly at first glance, until I learned there's a logical reason for it. Same with i3. I like products that challenge tradition as long as it's not purely aesthetics.

[@martshearer498]

One of the best KZbin reviews of the i3 swears the interior is BMW's finest, but backs away from calling the exterior ugly, preferring "German pretty". ;)

[@rp9674]

@@donswier I went thru a phase of hating i3, now I own 1 & love it, I don't like boring cars, most people do

[@DarkBrandon1]

Good show, Tesla is still pushing ahead in Technology while the rest are still trying make the old systems work.

[@Mpr47276]

…With futile devotion

[@davec2211]

Thanks Joe! Take care

[@commuterbranchline8132]

Tesla will sell as many Cybertrucks as they can make as fast as they can make them. The difficulty of the ramp will determine the speed of deployment. I miss Corey Steuben with Sandy, they were a great team.

[@enoughofthis]

Sandy said something happened st Munro

[@ashisdas4971]

Corey went to Lucid. Like Sandy he is a cornucopia of automotive engineering knowledge and probably wanted to make his mark in the automotive manufacturing space.

[@Emm2004]

He’s a director at Lucid

[@enoughofthis]

@@Emm2004 I know, I thought he meant something else happened

[@davincisghost9228]

I'm very pleased for him great stuff.

[@gonzaloleviatanh]

Love it. Please part 2

[@ned8249]

Nice to have everyone together again. I wanted to hate the cybertruck but then I watched jay leno do a show on it. It’s really pretty cool and cutting edge technology.

[@Berretotube]

Yes same - it’s pretty extraordinary

[@littlebrothermoneywithmich6178]

I was definitely shocked and disappointed the first and second time they did events. It’s not until they get on about the engineering that I can warm up to its awesomeness.

[@warreke100]

After 11000 miles on my Model Y the tires look new as do the brakes

[@tonygreen8221]

Terrific show to finish out the year. Well done guys. Thanks for your great work in 2023.

[@avgjoe5969]

Very informative!

[@user-to2rf1rj5v]

I love how triggering this truck is for some people. It's a beautiful, stunning masterpiece!

[@zroger73]

I think it is hideous, but I'd still buy one if they were readily available and I needed a vehicle with an open bed.

[@ellsworthm.toohey7657]

It is UGLY, useless, expensive !

[@cratecruncher4974]

Fun discussion and good info regarding China's state of industry and how they may react to protection policies. The Japanese had another ace up their sleeve in the '80s: 250 yen to the dollar. I also discovered we should never let Sandy near the word martensite, haha!

[@Travlinmo]

Interesting to listen to the non-Sandy folks here and think back to when this channel was laughing at Tesla in 2017-19. The worm really turned with some time and success.

[@azcojpg]

Great episode!!!

[@beaconfish]

Wow!!! Knowledge bombs All over the place Great show!!!

[@TheLastMoccasin]

Great stuff!! Enjoy your time off and Happy Holidays!

[@ronaldgarrison8478]

43:00 It's **2023 por dios**, and software with any perceptible lag should absolutely **not** be acceptable.

[@haydenakamu1887]

Great episode. Time well spent. Merry Christmas everyone

[@eeblatter]

Many pearls of wisdom here. Very interesting to hear. Thanks.

[@hawklord100]

Over two million back orders for Cybertruck and counting at 10,000 new orders every day

[@tbot1633]

Never tire of Sandy Interviews, the whole panel was great

[@jonathanf.9395]

Prediction: Model 2 will be 48V

[@VincentVanWersch]

Definitely, because the etherloop is exactly what they will be using in the unboxed assembly technique

[@tedg1609]

Cybertruck is a Trojan horse - not important in itself, but containing the forces to overthrow the old empire.

[@brentdiez7012]

48V and steer by wire. All these technologies in the Cybertruck will be used in all of Tesla's future cars.

[@jmwarden1]

Thti

[@echoeversky]

Sandy dropped prophecy 7 or so years ago here on this show. Interesting times indeed.

[@p.t.9709]

Great show.

[@christopherhartley6900]

We don't know that BYD is making profit on EVs, they make profit overall, not a lot, but they produce an awful lot of PHEVs, so the PHEVs may be subsidising their BEVs. The ONLY company which we KNOW is making profit making EVs is TESLA

[@WILL_E_1]

True, but BYD is brute forcing their way in. They're getting their production capacity up and their market share built out DESPITE slim margins. They're gonna be a major contender, unless perhaps if Tesla solves FSD with the next gen form factor and gobbles up the entire industry worldwide.

[@normt430]

The stock rear Goodyear on my 2018 CT6 2.0E plug-in do all the braking and acceleration and have 60k. But that includes 6,000-8,000 miles off the car when snow tires are on. Not sure if insurance company know mine has a 18.4kw li-ion battery but was $300/6-months for full coverage before recent insurance hikes of 25%.

[@rovert1284]

Until you can produce on large scale your product can only be a niche product. I doubt Tesla will have any trouble selling them, but production will be very limited. I suspect Toyota is holding back from full EV until new generation batteries are available. Current battery technology is not great - it is 'wow' compared to where we were but a lot of development is still happening because there is a lot of avenues for significant improvement.

[@PAULPINBALL]

Great discussion!

[@michaelbedard7859]

Great hour🎉

[@Northbaylandscaping]

lol I was just checking my fuel savings on my 2017 Model S through my app $2500 US for the last 11 months so $19k saving in seven years. Yes the early tires wore quick but guess what tire manufactures improved the tires for the heavier EV's and now I get same tire wear as I did pre EV days.

[@jonlivingstone]

My Tesla insurance is $37/ month. Tesla insurance is awesome!

[@Kenlwallace]

A good chat that forgot to mention the Elephant in the Room: Only one company has FULL SELF DRIVING nailed within a year in USA and a few years after that everywhere else. It’s so cheap it will be ‘ready’ in their next generation 25k car. No prize for guessing who.

[@gregkramer5588]

Waymo? Supercruise?

[@Kenlwallace]

@@gregkramer5588 No Tesla. Waymo and Cruise only work in HD geofenced areas and their Hardware cost per car due to lidar costs at least 10x more than Tesla’s HD vision only. Millions of Teslas already on the road include all Tesla’s FSD hardware running on their in-house designed inference computer chips. Waymo and Cruise both need 24/7 human monitoring to deal with edge cases. Apparently Cruise needed an average of one human intervention every four miles.

[@gregkramer5588]

@Kenlwallace Tesla is not close at all. The video only system is flawed from the get go.

[@Kenlwallace]

@@gregkramer5588 Hi greg, have you watched many of the unedited FSD drives on WHOLE MARS CATALOGUE youtube for example? It’s staggering stuff. IMHO it’s not only close its almost done for most USA states. It might take a year to integrate XAI’s GROK to deal with remaining edge cases and allow us to have intelligent ‘voice’ discussions with our car before the non-Beta USA release. Tesla’s ramping their DOGO supercomputer to 100 Exaflops next year. That would make it the world’s most powerful supercomputer, which is necessary for ‘rest-of-world’ FSD and their Optimus Robot training. At the risk of sounding a bit dramatic, once this happens, the legacy manufacturers will struggle to survive even with massive bailouts. Their alternative is to licence Tesla’s FSD software and hardware, which Tesla is offering.

[@davidbeppler3032]

@@gregkramer5588 I agree. Humans can not drive cars! Far too dangerous.

[@jamesbingham1007]

The CT orders are at 10K per day. That's the ball game.

[@petermaltha]

That Reuters guy is a real anti Tesla. He is polite to Sany but he will wreck the story tomorrow in his piece in Reuters.

[@BTC_Minarchist]

Good ahow. AAH needs to keep bringing guests like these who are truly knowledgeable and technical. The usual Detroit dinosaur journalists provide no useful insights and typically have no idea what's really going on.

[@snookmeister55]

It's just not very organized but that's probably by plan.

[@mikefucito6030]

Really good program.

[@user-to2rf1rj5v]

28:50 imagine the shock on his face when he realizes it isn't at all a niche product. They will sell millions of Cybertrucks in time.

[@DougDepker]

The cybertruck is niche, for nerds and people who don't actually need a truck.

[@chrisperry3525]

i have an electric car...no, i have a tesla - a smart phone on wheels. It's very different than an 'electric car' and that's what the big 3/VW, etc are not comprehending, it's why they're having trouble selling CARS - tesla is selling a very different item. Like the first iPhone - it's a phone - NO, it's so much more/different/advanced than a 'phone'. And those that didn't catch on - blackberry/nokia/motorola are not in the business anymore

[@DougDepker]

I have a tesla... it's an electric car & full self driving human killing machine.

[@truhunk1]

Calling someone "riff-raff" for backing out of a deal that is no longer $40,000 is a low blow.

[@jjohur]

My wife had a Mercedes AMG and she had to have tires replaced at 8k miles. High performance ICE cars eat through tires equally.

[@Bryan-fb8dh]

BYD class 8s are already hear. GE uses them. Tesla's tractors are way way better but BYD is already in the market.

[@aaammm1033]

I want one!

[@richardbohme]

Tesla insurance is half of most insurance companies

[@littlebrothermoneywithmich6178]

In Va they were expensive about 2 years ago. Now they are very competitive.

[@andrewt9204]

It was only going to save me like $30/mo when I checked a few weeks ago. I'd lose my home+auto discount if I switched, which is more than that savings.

[@ZipZoomZip]

I was surprised at the end that John didn't ask Sandy if the bottle opener was austenitic or martensitic stainless.

[@Dave5843-d9m]

Talk to a boiler engineer or better a gas turbine engineer and the metallurgy gets off the page.

[@jonvelde5730]

Rivian makes their body as two giant pieces. Which means that a fender bender requires replacement of 50% of the shell. I saw a quote for fixing a small dent, 36,000 dollars.

[@__--JY-Moe--__]

good stuff guy's! ready for go time.. Merry Christmas from the Great State of West Virginia! I was glad to see Texas Instruments products being used in the automotive industry.

[@thumper1747]

Brilliant convo

[@robertpulliam9973]

Great commercial for Tesla!

[@replica1052]

(cybertruck is a superstar )

[@commuterbranchline8132]

Autoline has reluctant admiration for Tesla and the transition to EV. John McIlroy had a road to Damascus revelation some time ago, but he’s still a Detroit car guy through and through, he just sees which way the wind is blowing.

[@replica1052]

@@commuterbranchline8132(electric is superior being vehicle )

[@markumbers5362]

That was great.

[@rogerheuckeroth7456]

Know a bunch of people that reserved trucks for $100. Not a single one of them is thinking about cancelling their orders. Sure there will be a few, but don't think there are many that will cancel.

[@coloradoan2199]

John McElroy said of the big Chinese EV producers at the 53-minute time mark, that Chinese government will prop them up even if their losing money. I swapped the word Chinese for U.S. and realized the same statement is true. Except for Sandy, these guys seem anchored to legacy auto.

[@TheLetsboogiedown]

So true!

[@bumberchute]

Excellent show- would like to have heard more about Sandy's factory discoveries - what most surprised & impressed him & why - on to part deux!

[@jckelley10]

"EV demand is dropping" but the model Y is now the best selling vehicle in the world.

[@juliahello6673]

The Cybertruck cost a lot to create because there were so many new innovations. The idea though is that it will cost less to manufacture.

[@snookmeister55]

Cybertruck low manufacturing costs - Who at Tesla said that? I didn't hear it.

[@juliahello6673]

You weren't listening. That was talked about quite a bit at the original unveiling as the impetus for the design. Google is your friend - use it before commenting. @@snookmeister55

[@lemongavine]

Lack of paint is a huge manufacturing cost savings.

[@davidhawkins7138]

@@snookmeister55 - no paint, gigacastings, 48V (once the supply chain is sorted out), structural battery - all these cut manufacturing steps and costs. This may become their highest-margin vehicle.

[@andrewsaint6581]

​@@snookmeister55they've not. Did you see Munro walk the working line? There's alost nobody there apart from the guys on the tour and two blokes taking hot pressings off the press. Sorry I forgot the forklift driver who was thanked by the site/production manager. No people, no union. Staggering! If you've not seen it you must. Might be best before commenting.

[@QuietJugung]

58:13 100 years plan is for things that don't change in 100 years like low price, excellent quality, etc. GM Ultium battery is not one.

[@jimgraham6722]

48V was proposed by GM together with a flywheel integrated alternator/starter motor and electric fans and pumps back in the 1980s. It never happened.

[@112428]

Because it was never cost effective to throw out the compatibility with other manufacturers. It's expensive when your suppliers have to make everything special for you. Tesla is about to find that out. GM and Toyota looked at 48V when hybrids were popular for the same reasons. They ended up with the AC compressor and high power items on the 48V battery circuit, and everything else still wasn't cost effective so they left it at 12V. Not to mention, all of the computers run at 5V or 3.3V, and your DC to DC converters are more expensive dropping from 48V than dropping from 12V.

[@eddieg6436]

Love, Love, LOVE the Cybertruck!! ……L.A. born, and raised.

[@Wankidy]

I'm at 35k miles on my Model Y, and my tire tread is at 6/32 - 7/32. Can i go 20k more miles? I sure can

[@LionheartLivin]

Excellent discussion!!!;)

[@georgecostanza2695]

Whenever Sandy's on, there's really no need for other guests😂

[@spacerock84]

😂 Especially in this topic

[@andrewsaint6581]

Enthusiasm.

[@gregkramer5588]

He knows a lot about manufacturing but it's not that strong another areas.

[@Dave5843-d9m]

Fiat were one of the first to use electric power steering with no hydraulics. The motor sits in the steering column. BUT it’s an assistance. If the motor lags a bit (as they do with cold battery) the driver automatically compensates and we still have the same number of steering wheel turns. 48V gives an instant response to the control input which allows fully steering by wire and 300 degrees lock to lock.

[@deth3021]

There is little point in being agile if you dont have a plan. The 2 aren't opposits. The point is to keep one eye on the horizon instead of both pf them on your feet.

[@TheLetsboogiedown]

Eventually John will wake up. Great show guys!

[@monkeysezbegood]

I assume John is the white haired dude. He's so clueless about the change. GM doing a good strategic job? Hahaha

[@geoffshelley2427]

58:33 GM's EV strategy: John, it was and is, of a truth, vapor-ware puffery, put out there solely to prop up the stock. Connecting The Dots did a great piece on that. Definitely a must watch.

[@andrewsaint6581]

Absolutely right. gm board selling stock like it's going out of fashion. SEC filings noted in the videos. I wonder why you'd borrow money to do a $10 Billion share buyback while you are selling the stock? More to the point, why is it not making ANY "news" channels? kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioDTiKajbKqofNksi=nQCJG86CQcPTFAhp

[@karlInSanDiego]

I'm gonna challenge the notion that Tesla has wired their speakers to be driven via the gigabit ethernet signal. Sure, you could power a CAN transceiver, DAC, and amp at every speaker, but how is that a savings? Plus, quality audio power amps don't fit on speaker housings. Will someone please challenge this assertion that the Cybertruck speakers are all only connected to 48V power, ground, and a CAN bus. This generalization that 48V plus gigabit CAN system powers everything including the speakers is bogus. Imagine the imaging problems you'd create with trying to time over a dozen distributed DACs?

[@jonathanf.9395]

I have no idea, but the speakers could have a voltage converter on each of them like they do in resraurants, malls, buildings etc.

[@gooooob55]

My guess is they will combine the window regulator and speaker. Or move the speakers into the dash

[@jackdbur]

When you are powering a single speaker you don't need a powerful amp the only speakers that need any serious power are your bass\subs. When you know that you have the datarate and use all the same DACs timing is easy you only have issues if you are trying to make it work with limited through put. In software adding micro seconds of delay is easy rember that in a Tesla it is the main computer talking to the speakers not headunit>amp>speakers

[@karlInSanDiego]

@@jackdbur- but let's see the proof that this is the length that Tesla went to to eliminate unnecessary wiring and replaced it with stupid increased redundant additional chips /circuits/bespoke powered speakers. Munro talks out his ass a lot, and no one actually challenges him when he speculates way beyond his understanding. Yes, Sandy Munro BSs as badly as Elon does. Let's stop that irresponsible shooting off of the mouth.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@karlInSanDiego You can run one 48V wire into the door to run the locks, switches, sensors, windows, and speaker. Then the 'net sends commands and data, and on the speaker you have a DAC and DSP that corrects the response of the (cheap) speaker, then a Class D amp powers it. Not rocket surgery.

[@davefroman4700]

Too bad the audio file corrupted

[@xlargetophat]

Rum and coke. After hours.. kickin' it

[@rwhirsch]

i wonder where sandy stands on FLIR now... as it relates to tesla.

[@snookmeister55]

He probably now knows that Tesla also knows as much about FLIR as he does and they chose not to use it.

[@jackdbur]

😮 Digital cameras see into the near infrared light band.

[@snookmeister55]

@@jackdbur Digital cameras see better than human eyes?

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@snookmeister55 Your phone sees better than you do.

[@jplabrecque6708]

Haters will be haters, show me any other vehicle that has 2 million deposit pre orders. I'll wait

[@InternetDude]

pre-orders are a meaningless metric when it comes to market and costs 50% more with 40% lower specs.