Tesla's Robotaxi Puzzles Experts: Here's What They Miss!

[@evdave528]

As you know, I was able to attend the event and actually did a video on my ride in a cyber cab in detail for the interior, but what I believe will be part of the design is the steer by wire has a force feedback steering wheel that can be bolted onto any of those vehicles for right hand drive for left-hand drive And it makes it easy to design the cyber cab for a low-cost Tesla, simply by adding pedals and a steering wheel and that’s the only change you’ll see so I believe the lower cost will ultimately be made from the cyber cab

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Quite possibly. I'd imagine a few more creature comforts necessary, i.e. fully adjustable seats, door pockets, glove box etc. No rear window/mirror though? No doubt a camera would suffice, but I'd imagine 4 doors and glass roof would be necessary for a mass selling compact Tesla. Same platform, different shell I recon.

[@piccalillipit9211]

*IT WILL NEVER EXIST - ITS A CON TO KEEP THE LINE GO UP* but it didnt work cos no one believes Elon Ponzi anymore

[@theodorehaskins3756]

@@DanielEarlester Why?

[@theodorehaskins3756]

@@DanielEarlester So I personally would love to have a 2-seater, because I drive a Tesla Model S, and as far as utilitarian/accommodations are concerned, it’s a total waste of money, and I plan to go back to the Model 3, which is what I traded in to get the Model S, but I really like the refreshed Model 3, it more closely meets my needs, but a 2-seater would be even better, because all I really need is a small commuter car. Cheers 🥂

[@X5493-c7p]

@@theodorehaskins3756 Not going to happen why waste production capacity making consumer products when the ride hail market is going to be so big they’ll concentrate on making as many RoboTaxis as they can and make a shed load of profit and as a shareholder that’s what I want PROFIT 😁

[@GahMehGrrrr]

You're supposed to....not question it, say wow , and buy more stock 😂😂😂

[@JoshuaMcTackett]

I’ve recently been a bit anti Musk (the personality) while owning and loving my Tesla. I teared up watching the super heavy booster get caught. The future Musk and his companies’ teams are creating for us cannot be overstated. It all reminds me that impossible things can happen. The continued delays for FSD are because it’s hard. It’s never been done, but they’re trying. They’ll get it one day. Still I wish he would stay off social media. One last note, I’m a wedding photographer. These robo cabs are PERFECT for weddings. Guests can get as hammered as they like and safely, cheaply and environmentally friendly, get home without needing designated drivers or expensive bus hire with hired drivers. Amazing

[@handsanitizer2457]

I can't wait till this comes out in 2016

[@ralphpetry1745]

As soon as I hear one of those so called "experts" criticize or dismiss a Tesla or SpaceX product, success of that product is pretty much guaranteed - lol!

[@prebenmortensen6408]

Which successes are you talking about? Hyperloop? Semi? Starship? FSD? Solar Roof? Roadster?

[@loucatozzi7656]

"Two-seaters have been proposed for decades as commuter vehicles. They just haven't taken off."... When I was commuting into work fifteen miles five times a week I would have loved to have a small efficient and SAFE two seater vehicle. About the only one I can think of that was available at the time was the SmartCar. That design looks great but I have heard it was about as expensive as a regular car and it looks about as safe as an empty beer can rubberbanded to a skateboard. The legacy OEM's have not been providing viable options for people to purchase.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

There's a few choices here in the UK (Citroen Ami, Microlino etc) Perhaps a good choice for city driving... squish-ability bothers me though.

[@nguyep4]

These experts somehow ignoring the Model 3, Y, S, X as the full seaters. The Cybercabs are meant to build in vast volume, removing any unnecessary parts will accelerate that. 80% of rides are 1 or 2 people. Why is that hard to get?

[@daShadoSage]

You specifically wanted a 2 seater? Why is that?

[@janhawranke8064]

Brill Analysis and Rant...Love the tongue-in-cheek humour. Keep it up mate...

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Glad you enjoyed 👍

[@tuxedoapps3532]

As usual, very entertaining and extremely well thought out. Thank you for your outstanding work!

[@MatthewACoughlan]

Awesome video Will 👏🏼 I just watched Marques Brownlee’s video and it’s beyond stupid 🤦🏼‍♂️ Keep up the amazing work ❤

[@DrDefore]

Thanks for the uplifting and humorous report, I look forward to it every week 👍 keep on veering cheering and veering us away from the FUD

[@gavinhagan8357]

You have never spoken truer words my friend. The MSM just don't get this or anything Elon. We who do can only wave and move on from those idiots.

[@Gregor_C_03]

Another great video Will 👏🏼 It surprises me every time when analysts and investors don’t understand the events, does Elon and his teams really need to dumb it down even more for people to get the vision they are trying to highlight?! 🤦🏼‍♂️🤣 I’m glad you’re expressing the same frustration I have after reading articles about these events, keep it up mate 👍🏼

[@EricNordstrom-hl8xv]

Perhaps there are economic incentives for media types and organizations to act dumb on purpose. After all, legacy OEM"s in the US spend hundreds of billions of dollars to advertise on various mainstream media outlets. Tesla is in the business of disrupting many businesses and they now don't take that threat lightly.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Tesla can't win. Too much detail and it goes over peoples heads... dumb it down to shiny new things like this and there's not enough details!

[@VintageCars]

I dont get how so many people dont get it.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

That sums up my KZbin channel!

[@piccalillipit9211]

cos its fake - it wil never exist - you are part of a Ponzi Scheme

[@davidwilkie9551]

Not inexplicable, deliberate ignorance/blindness, a feature of the real world in the dark side of economics.

[@lukenoble8613]

When conspiracy theorists join an mlm. Boom.

[@famousatmidnight15]

Not some people. Analysts within the industry who should know better.

[@JonNewell]

As soon as they’re available, I’m getting 2 of them to put to work. Brilliant.

[@fiftyoneindustries2]

your best video yet

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Thanks!

[@charliefitdancefitness]

Another great and funny video 👍🏻 you do make me LOL!

[@MarkXHolland]

To be fair, Cybercab may not be optimal for the elderly or disabled - it's too low. I passed on Model 3 and waited for Model Y for that reason, being an old bugger with achy bones.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Agreed. I love my Model 3, but for the sake of my parents and rapidly growing children, a Model Y is next for me... (still waiting on that refresh! 🤞😂)

[@DrDefore]

@@MarkXHolland how about including some air shocks??

[@Bunyip_Studios]

Will, you forgot "Hydrogen is the future!" and "Ev's are a fad" I honestly got told this last week LMAO!!

[@tribalypredisposed]

I swear that “journalists” must have to take four years of “Hit Your Head With a Board” in uni to graduate.

[@evdave528]

Will, what a great presentation. It is really a shame that the obvious needs to be explained to people. I don’t get it. Well done!

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Thanks so much Dave! Hope you are still enjoying your Cybertruck?!

[@ThomasHawkwood]

Why is it so difficult for some to understand? The cybercab is a two seater for most rides. If you need more, you can request a robotaxi model 3 or model y etc. Just like the event showed. It had several different vehicles with different numbers of seating running autonomously.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Simple hey?

[@lukenoble8613]

@ThomasHawkwood so why not create a new cheaper vehicle rather than make a vehicle as purely a taxi? The public wants a cheap Tesla. This was that opportunity. It still could have been a taxi whilst being sold to people who just want to own one. Because it has no Pedals and no wheel. It now needs to get approval. Which may never happen. So why build this? Why not build this with a wheel and know it goes on the road and has greater mass adoption? Why limit it to wireless changing? Why no door handles? Who can legally own one? Because you won't technically need a licence. So a kid could own one. Cmon. There are so many things I can destroy any argument you have. Answer a few of those questions and I'll either back down and accept it as I'm wrong. Or I'll prove you are an idiot.

[@nguyep4]

​@lukenoble8613 Tesla will make a cheaper model. They don't want to reveal it until it is nearest to production. If people know, let's say $27k is coming out in 9 months or x days, who would buy Model 3 or Y? This will reduce their sale for the current models immediately.

[@daShadoSage]

​@@nguyep4interesting thought. But i doubt this. People are just as likely to just get a different car instead of waiting for one never coming. And i don't mean upsell to a Tesla, but a car within their budget. Tesla have been slashing prices and sales are still down. Only thing that will keep Tesla from being decimated, is tariffs to keep super cheap Chinese alternatives away

[@brianholding4357]

Well said that man; Again! Common sense is very rare. 🤔

[@evsmiles957]

I get it Will… see you down the pub later 😊

[@iowa_don]

4:34 - It's not clear why the trunk "bump-ins" need to be so big. It certainly doesn't need super wide tires like the Model S. A spec on the volume would have been nice.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

I thought that too! Maybe it's smaller in real life than the photo suggests 🤷‍♂️

[@CheeseLovingGuy]

We know from modern air travel price is a major driver for bookings. Whether that applies to shorter journeys where we may might want to pay for extra comfort we wait to see.

[@prebenmortensen6408]

I don’t think I would be able to open the doors of the Cybercab anywhere I normally go. Certainly not in my garage or carport or in any parking house I visit. And certainly not on the side of a busy road or next to a bicycle lane. Won’t work in real life.

[@micheldubru7772]

This obsession to change door opening… barn doors😅

[@olyalphy]

Savage response. Well on point!

[@johnnyforeigner11]

Whenever I hear the word expert explaining anything to do with Tesla, I know that the words that come out of their mouths will make as much sense as if those words had emanated instead from their backsides.

[@brilanto]

Are you an expert on that? 🤣

[@roxter299roxter7]

You are right. Most people don't know what is going on.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

I guess I also have no idea what’s going on with a million subjects I’m not paying attention to. Tesla however, I’ve got it going on 😉

[@ouethojlkjn]

I was interested to see on Bloomberg yesterday.That there were reports of the optimus bots being human operated. No detail other than the claim itself of course. Oh and "the bots seemed to be walking by themsekves" which is obviously no big deal as all bots can do this?

[@DarthAwar]

Please note that the robot at the event were piloted by humans you can also tell this by the way that each one had different voice and had no processing time before reacting to people's comments and statements to it unfortunately Tesla is about 15 to 20 years behind Boston Dynamics I'm not saying we'll take them that long to catch up but the ability of their robots is at the level that Boston Dynamics at list was around 15 years ago

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Yes, it was obvious that Optimus had tele-operated assistance... but this event was to show what's going to be possible in Tesla's future. The fact that these Robots could be so dextrous was stunning, plus the hidden next generation Optimus hand with 22 degrees of freedom 🤯 Boston dynamics look impressive of course, but are coded/programmed to move. Tesla's approach to creating useful humanoid robots is on another level... (like self driving cars) don't confuse party tricks with solutions to full scale usefulness

[@DarthAwar]

@@TeslaJigsaw Should never show case Tech not ready for purchase/use same goes for Apple Samsung Sony LG HE Intel AMD Quallcomm etc etc etc as no guarantee of it actually being able to do what was claimed Always buy based on a Devices Current Ability not what is claimed to be coming later also until a technology is reasonably established and tested do not buy completely new unproven technology it almost never ends well for the Consumer/Customer

[@DarthAwar]

@@TeslaJigsaw But they still use Human Pilots they are not Automated yet do not confuse what Tesla says is coming vs what it's Rival's can already deliver BTW Boston Dynamics has many more robots apart from Atlas and Spot *BTW new Altas is Creepy Strong Fast and manoeuvrable vs last Gen which itself is at least 10 years in front of Tesla now with the Current Atlas its closer to a 15 to 20 year gap in capability

[@markjordan943]

@@DarthAwarnew technology is shown before being released all the time with great results. Apple just did it again with AI soon coming to the new iPhone. But you obviously know more about marketing and product development than the largest companies in the world. Internet trolls are always the smartest person in the room when it’s just them😂

[@lukenoble8613]

@DarthAwar exactly. If we were told it Was a preview then cool. But this preview narrative is a post event excuse used by tesla stock holders. We however never were told that. As far everyone was concerned this showcased AI robots. Not puppets. I agree the movement was great. But I'm also aware the robot can't determine or detect someone. The reason they had handlers I believe is to prevent injury to the Audience. Or if they fell over. So how far off are these then to actually being available? I doubt in 2 years. I will say though that when ready they could be cool. But won't be 20k. That will be 30 years away.

[@JonNewell]

Always remember that an expert is a drip under pressure.

[@amigang]

I highly doubt it will be as cheap as 20cent a mile for a ride, the car would have to do 150,000miles before making the $30K it cost you. Thats without factoring charging costs, cleaning cost, tires replacements, servicing and insurance (how ever thats going to work) are all added up. Plus taxs and royalties as well to consider. Dont get me wrong Im interested, but I just dont see how?

[@bobbybishop5662]

One thing people didn't miss was the stock crashing before the event even ended. Total faiure to try and pump the stock.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Who's the pumper? I doubt Tesla could care less about the stock price

[@bobbybishop5662]

@@TeslaJigsaw , The clown on stage of coarse. You are a pumper just like all the other pumper channels parroting Elon everyday. I'm sure Elon was happy with his stock value eating the loss from his failure. How much value did you loose ?

[@jjamespacbell]

Reuters: 2 seat seat taxi won't work where are you going to put the driver? 🤣 In my experience most cabs the driver takes up both front seats with his own stuff leaving only the back seats

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Great point that I forgot to add!

[@micheldubru7772]

No driver in the car design.hello😂

[@phila.6521]

I don't get why it has to be so damn aero. I mean I don't think I've ever been over fifty in a taxi, 15 mph is more like it.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Every little helps towards efficiency, which equals cheaper running costs

[@stevensmith8876]

Space X and Starlink appear to be functioning well. Tesla though looks close to driving off a cliff.

[@DrDefore]

@@stevensmith8876 but it has proven that it can actually do that too.. OMG

[@axeman3d]

Your love for Elon is touching. However, why the Cybercab if the 3/Y can do it with more space? Why not spend the cash designing an actual cheap car? Taxis are the way they are because of evolution. For example, the disabled and elderly use cabs more than most but they'll struggle getting in a small 2 seater. Autonomous vehicles will also never cure traffic jams, certainly not by his dream of building millions more cars. The real elephant in the room is autonomy and Tesla being unable to do it. He's hobbled his engineers with his vision only demand. It might be cheaper than a Waymo vehicle but Waymo are working right now. Teslas aren't.

[@hendrikbarboritsch7003]

Main Stream Media's hatred of Elon Musk reminds me of the Butlerian Jihad from Dune.

[@markyounts1685]

I share your frustration with analysts they are really bad, but two things they are 100% right about is a stock you should have bought a long time ago or sold a long time ago.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Imagine telling yourself this in 10 years?

[@roger_is_red]

If I mention anything about the current Tesla technology and how it's going to change the world, I just get blank looks back from friends. Tesla FSD is just like in their new Mazda. Go figure. Jeannine

[@catoftruth1044]

robotaxi for 2 people sounds like a romantic ride. if you have like a romantic getaway somewhere and you have to take 2 honeymooners. he already got the market for it

[@collegepros]

I’m glad that waymo has lead with getting autonomy approval. So, getting approval will be easy for Tesla in the most desirable states. 2025 will probably be the launch year for unsupervised FSD. Not sure when in 2025. Once they use the existing fleet into the market, then these idiot analysts will see the benefits that a low cost per mile 2 seater Robotaxi will provide. And, ultimately, the market will dictate the success that Tesla will have with the lowest cost per mile of any car service that exists today. Nothing else will be able to compete against this 2 seater!

[@DrDefore]

Experts !! Experts in what ?? Like having a doctorate , doctor of what!!

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Indeed! Thank you Doctor! 😂

[@CyberFridge]

Tesla clearly missed the mark with the Cybercab being a 2 seater. Every night when I drunkenly stumble out of the pub at 3:30AM I always see a ton of groups of 4 to 5 identical people get into the same cabs. Those will never fit in the Cybercab! Never I say!

[@X5493-c7p]

LOL 🤣

[@flaymil5373]

How can people with a degree and some form of education really ask these questions? Is it the education system in America?

[@makeitgreener642]

Tell em will. 😅

[@PJWey]

But where do all the calculators go when they die?!

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Silicon heaven of course 🪽

[@rickhunter6479]

he let the damn car out in the back studio lot, not in real traffic I live in Los Angeles. I've never seen this car driving around by itself or with anybody in it or even cloak it. if he has 50 of them already built, send them out into the real world like downtown LA Santa Monica Waymo does

[@TeslaJigsaw]

There are many Teslas driving around autonomously today using FSD V.12 (supervised for now) With more improvements, unsupervised full self driving is just an over the air software update away for millions of Teslas around the World. Do you see the difference between Waymo's scalability AND affordability problem? Once Cybercabs are in production at a fraction of the cost to build and operate.. it will become very clear who had the right approach IMHO

[@Jaw0lf]

I am convinced that these journalists are not very intelligent. I watched the event and it actually showed items being placed into the boot. If journalists have not actually watched anything and made up all of this (as usual) it is just demonstating their stupidity. A taxi could maybe take 3 passengers as one could sit next to the driver. You can't always fit 3 people in the back, with so many shapes and sizes of car seats and people. I think having a much more comfy seat is a winnner. Tesla are a long way towards providing the future they are demonstrationg and keep pushing boundaries.

[@peterswinson326]

One thing I've not heard anyone mention is, with a large fleet of Tesla model 3s and Ys already out there, why is there a need for a new 2 seater, I would have thought the running costs for a model 3 and Y would only be slightly less than the new 2 seater, is 1 or 2 miles per Kw and a slightly lower price going to make that much of a difference? you could potentially lose 10% efficiency by charging wirelessly, would the market reach saturation point? how many taxis are really needed? Will enough people switch from owning a car to using robotaxis for it all to make sense, I'm sure there is a need and it will work, but I've not heard anyone have a stab at doing the numbers

[@Joe-420-69]

There was 288k yellow cabs/taxi's in the USA alone as of 2022. there are 7.1 million registered Uber drivers. If Tesla can find a market by selling to existing taxi companies it will be worth it. But to sell them, maybe Tesla needs to start their own fleet to scare them into buying. These will be 30-40% cheaper to build than a model 3 or Y, so cheaper for Tesla to roll out. As for wireless charging these are not like phone chargers. EV wireless chargers are between 92-94% efficient most are 150kw but 300kw are coming online. Many high powered cabled chargers are not as efficient.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Reply of the day goes to you Sir 🫡

[@Tezlawatch]

We gone from robo taxi never…to it’s only got 2 sets that’s no good…🤣😂

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Can't please everyone! 😂

[@garymenezes6888]

0:10 I think it's pronounced "Re-utters"

[@phila.6521]

I don't get why it has a centre console and cup holders. Are you to slide over all that to get out. Taxi's and public transit don't let you get out into oncoming traffic.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Surely people are capable of checking their surroundings before exiting any vehicle? If not, slide away!

[@barrymurton8988]

✔️ VG. Only comment is what about wheelchair access - I know we’ve only just got this in black cabs! I’d love to know what EM’s thought would be for this?

[@TeslaJigsaw]

It looks like the Robovan would have ramp access on one side (Sandy Munro's observation) as it would lower once stopped, and rise when travelling. Cybercab doesn't look at all practical for wheelchair users tbh. Other Teslas might be available for better accessibility.

[@CheeseLovingGuy]

Why have a trunk and not just 4 doors with storage accessed through the rear doors so that it is with you inside.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Then what would go in the truck/boot? May as well have rear seats... but that would have meant small trunk? Oh, the dilemmas! 😂

[@grahambrown42]

There has never been a statue erected for a successful skeptic. Or a biography written Why do so many aspire to be one. I don't get it 😂

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Nicely put! I wonder on balance if there are more skeptics than optimists? Certainly seems that way in my experience.

[@JoshuaHults]

This literally debunks everything the "experts" are saying... I would never own a 2 door 2 seater since I have a family. I would however ride in an autonomous 2 door 2 seater taxi. These are hit pieces they are not real journalism and not real investing reporting. You should contrast the medias treatment of Rivian which is a completely failing EV company that is literally doing what the "experts" are telling Tesla to do with Tesla who is profitable. You will notice Rivian gets a lot of positive feedback while Tesla negative. Rivian is going out of business Tesla is expanding... What is the difference why the double standard? Make a video please

[@nunobartolo2908]

Just bless the idiots selling you stock at a 10% discount

[@onlyyoucanstopevil9024]

Is everyone get it when first telphone come???

[@Derpy1969]

Corporate PUFFERY!!!

[@lukenoble8613]

Insurance, government allowance? Licences.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Thank you for words.

[@lukenoble8613]

@TeslaJigsaw ok. Why release a taxi when every current tesla can be a taxi? When the public wants a cheap vehicle instead? You are all great and knowing. Answer that. It makes zero sense. You get your cars go be taxis whilst releasing a new vehicle that can be mass adopted and also be a taxi. Please. Enlighten me oh chosen one. Let's debate. I'll forfeit if you can persuade me on a intelligent conclusion to that. Anddd good.

[@GenciOsmanie]

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[@phila.6521]

I don't get it. It has 2 different size tyres.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Yes it does. I'm assuming the smaller than usual front tyres will limit ware & tear

[@grahambrown42]

2x 2's are 4 brum brum😂

[@michaelcowell727]

The event was poor in my view. - I get it was an event but the robotaxis were running on a studio set at low speeds and with set paths. FSD isn't ready and it appears the taxis were just running the existing software. So nothing new. Also, China actually have AI driven taxis...now... today. - The bus is a joke. It looks like a 10 year old designed it and dont get me started on the practically of the design. Again, Helsinki already have these driverless buses. So nothing new... again. The robot - they've made zero progress. All the robots in the event were not AI driven and remotely controlled. Boston dynamics robot is superior in every way. In summary, nothing is new and they've put a futuristic veneer on existing technology.

[@sebastiankumlin9542]

We all mast daes betta i can fix all invest in my stath upp

[@Harrycowlton]

Well presented!!!!!!!!!!!

[@nickmcconnell1291]

Wallstreet will always discount $TSLA until they themselves are hailing Tesla robocabs. Then they might get it.... maybe then the light will go on? Nah...

[@enslavedbytruth]

Amazing levels of cope

[@MrEmanedoc]

it is crazy how most people can not see the obvious future coming even when you present it to them.

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

Yes the Future is coming,but Not from Tesla!

[@ajjbs7580]

Sorry, the presentation was shit. It stunk from a PR point of view. Tesla, improve your marketing! Don't let engineers plan marketing events. Well, also obvious, so many are doing marketing for Tesla, unpaid by Tesla I might add, so just allow cameras for KZbinrs into such an closed event and they will spin the story to just sound positive. Better than letting Tesla do marketing. They should just stick to engineering.

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Tesla can't win. When they do make a 2.5 hour in depth technical presentation as they did on AI day amongst others, no one gets it. When they do show a slicker event like this with nice shiny things they get bashed for not going in depth enough 🤦‍♂️

[@gerryking4346]

As I understand it, Tesla have gone from zero to market leader on the strength of groundbreaking products and happy customers. Unlike the multi million advertising budgets of the withering encumbents

[@MiaSoreryOF]

The event was amazing for those who it was directly aimed towards tesla lovers and most of us are pretty needy. We LOVED it. You say Tesla needs better marketing all they have is the best selling car in the world but ya you know better. It’s Apple that needs a 3hour marketing campaign with the most polish and presentation since they have to convince people to buy the same damn phone year after year. Tesla is creating the future and their products speak for themselves which is why the only people complaining about the event are ignorant people who are already biased and didn’t attend. Haven’t heard a single bad thing from people that were actually there

[@ouethojlkjn]

Well. At least it wasn't the typical auto event where a balsa wood mock up finished off with some clay is carefully inched out on its Plynth to be the latest "concept car" that will never be built...or even turn a wheel.

[@aureliancozma251]

You are funny but you speak the truth Electric is the Way

[@TeslaJigsaw]

Seems obvious to me! No other propulsion system can run as efficiently on renewable energy.

[@tigaagul7]

If any of these "experts" were truly intelligent and listened to Elon's future plans they would instantly "Get it". Tesla is an engineering and AI hub specializing in factory efficiency, cost control and mass scale. These expert "toads" have to be spoon fed like a toddler. It's laughable at this point the ridiculous skeptics, like nothing has ever been achieved. All skeptics do now is just loose bets that Tesla is failing at everything. If they were so dam smart why haven't they started their own private company, solved the flaws in Tesla and take over in market dominance.