Tesla Semi Truck range and charging speed far better than expected

Tesla Semi Truck range and charging speed far better than expected
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[@joachimfrey3827]

On another channel the Pepsi drivers were interviewed. One of them said, that his route is across a mountain pass. Because the truck has regen it charges a lot downhill fully loaded and thus the return trip is done with only the Energy gained from regen braking. That is truly amazing. The revolution has started!

[@simonpannett8810]

Just wish people drank pure juices than sugar soda!!!

[@davidmenasco5743]

​@@simonpannett8810It is ironic that the transition to sustainable trucking is being led by a company whose business model is based on selling products that are, essentially, highly addictive slow acting poisons.

[@BigBen621]

@@davidmenasco5743 That's going to happen in any event. So you can either have products that are, essentially, highly addictive slow acting poisons *with* diesel particulate matter emissions, or highly addictive slow acting poisons *without* diesel particulate matter emission. I choose the latter. But I *do* see the irony.

[@Schroedimoto]

For the price of a semi you could build a hell of a nice diesel truck with low diesel consumption

[@davidmenasco5743]

@@Schroedimoto But the reason these electric trucks are selling is because the total cost of ownership is lower than diesel trucks. As an added bonus, electric trucks don't contribute to almost every disease on the list of top causes of death, which unfortunately diesel trucks do. AND, electric trucks produce much lower greenhouse gas emissions, and will eventually be powered without burning any fossil fuels. Sounds like a win, win, win.

[@TecnamTwin]

Pepsi is sending their 500+ mile range trucks on 450-mile routes because that's how long their longest route is. Tesla already demonstrated a fully loaded 500-mile Semi drive and it could have gone further. The efficiency is unbelievably good!

[@MrEd2291]

Tesla Semis, cybertrucks, and energy are going to be huge.

[@AmishMarine]

Huge disaster!

[@rorykeegan1895]

Very interested in what the Pepsi drivers & management have to say. Their input during this route proving phase is critical and will determine when the trucks go into full production.

[@s.m.7018]

Last week I saw a Tesla semi pulling a truck load of Tesla Models 3’s and Y’s along I-580, obviously coming from the Fremont factory. I can see where some of the production is going.

[@garycard1826]

Fantastic Sam! We live in an apartment on a bus and truck route in a residential area of Victoria BC. The thought of getting rid of the noise and fumes from these ICE vehicles is something to look forward to. As you know the Federal and BC provincial governments are both offering incentives on EV purchases and charging equipment. I'm pleased to learn (I just looked it up) this also applies to commercial EVs.

[@Jimmyxsx]

Getting of fumes in your area while other areas in the world are getting destroyed by the manufacturing of electric vehicles seems about white.

[@jeffreysuda1765]

I live very near a highway. The road has a steep grading and the trucks use their Jake brakes. Yep, it wakes me up often.

[@alexcastas8405]

I could keep watching that semi with no trailer reverse all day lol😂 … no black poison clouds there!

[@williamwoo866]

Great news that the Electric Semi Truck is everything that the specs have put out. This is a game changer for the transition to a cleaner way to transport cargo. Thanks to Elon, Employees for making the world a better place

[@eclipsenow5431]

Australia’s new company Janus can convert HUGE 100 ton (or more!) trucks into full EV’s. Tesla's 40 ton trucks are good for driving within Australian cities, but at 40 tons are a little small for a market that often uses big 100 ton road-trains. Instead of trying to “megacharge” the truck battery, Janus is a battery swap system. A guy on a forklift swaps the battery in a minute! This is more convenient for the driver if he’s not on his half hour break and needs a charge. It also means the warehouse can take their time charging the batteries. This is less stress on the batteries, and less stress on the local grid. Indeed during the day they can run 10 trucks from solar on the warehouse roof alone! So as an old diesel truck gets high enough distance on it to require a big engine overhaul, many drivers are doing a Janus EV conversion instead. After a year they’ve recouped the costs. Then they save 60% on servicing fees and electricity is 1/3 the cost of diesel. Today the batteries can do 400 km before needing a swap. In the future, the truckie gets to enjoy new battery ranges and options as the batteries are automatically updated with the latest tech. These Janus trucks also get regenerative breaking, which slows the trucks going down hill while charging the batteries and avoiding wear and tear on the brake pads. The market is going to be SCREAMING for these trucks soon. It’s a thing of beauty - please watch the "Fully charged" 15 minute special. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5a8faeGiMtqhrs Facts and figures and latest truck conversion showroom www.januselectric.com.au/

[@davidmenasco5743]

I am quite certain that battery swapping like this is going to be how trucking is done in the long term. Hydrogen still has too many technological obstacles. Battery swapping requires only the refinement of some simple techniques and existing technology. Over time, it will get better and better. The biggest obstacle will be culture and mindset (and pressure from powerful fossil fuel interests). It's great to see that Janus is pushing the industry forward. I think they have a bright future.

[@scifithoughts3611]

I have a friend with a home near a 4 lane highway near the edge of town. When truckers use their compression breaks (aka Jake brakes) it rattles his house like an earthquake. An EV semi would regenerate that energy rather than waste it like today’s trucks.

[@lumtavon1952]

Truly hope production will ramp up as fast as possible. This will bring down pollution so much and far more economically

[@bobdyck8508]

Great presentation. There are particulants released into the atmosphere from diesel.

[@johnfrancis4401]

It’s surprising how little news there is about this articulated lorry cab. Thanks Sam !

[@dougwedel9484]

It makes sense to use the downtime of loading and unloading the trailer to charge the truck's battery. Sometimes a truck driver needs to spend a long time just waiting for their turn to load / unload. I heard of a driver waiting 8 hours before he could dock his trailer and have the store unload his cargo. That's just at one store. This is exceptional but waiting for your turn to dock is common, not just the actual loading and unloading we expect would be involved.

[@cyclopsvision6370]

Drivers have to wait 8 hours because it doesn't cost the shipper or receiver any money to waste someone else's time. If shipping companies start charging $100 per hour for idle time, watch how fast that truck gets unloaded.

[@pin65371]

@@cyclopsvision6370 really the truckers shouldnt need to be waiting at all. They should just drop off the trailer and pick up an empty one.

[@freeheeler09]

We live in a town in low mountains and are seeing the Pepsi Tesla semis. In delivering to our and neighboring mountain towns, tge Tesla semis drive from near sea level to perhaps 2400 feet or 750 or so meters, and the round trip from the distribution center is over 300 miles or 480 kilometers. If electric semis work here, they’ll work anywhere!

[@bobwallace9753]

Tesla did a 500 mile, single charge, fully loaded run a few months back. The route included climbing a mountain range to a 4,600' pass.

[@jimparr01Utube]

What the naysayers thought was impossible is categorically a reality. The pilot run and Pepsi customer should quickly iron out any wrinkles but so far there has been only one that I know of - and that was a 3'rd party supplier of brake hardware to TESLA. So thrilling, watching the TESLA Semi overtake ICE cars and other semi-trucks on a long hill climb.

[@cyclopsvision6370]

FYI, that recall involving the brakes affected every other class 8 truck manufacturer, because they all use the same part from the same supplier

[@bobwallace9753]

There was a minor software glitch that seems to have been quickly solved.

[@bobwallace9753]

@@cyclopsvision6370 Did you notice all the media articles about Tesla having to recall their trucks over that part problem? And how those articles barely mentioned that it was an industry wide recall, if they mentioned the thousands of diesel rigs that had to be recalled at all.

[@bobwallace9753]

Aren't you aware that Tesla drove one of their fully weight-loaded trucks 500 miles on a single charge? That included climbing a mountain range to a 4,600' pass. And they had charge remaining.

[@ccibinel]

Given rapid advances in LFP hopefully we can see 400+ miles without dedicating such a massive amount of rare metals. For short range trucks like ports even sodium ion makes sense since they don't typically go over 100 miles per day. For electrification in general we need to reserve as much cobalt and nickel for applications that need the absolute highest energy like planes. LFP would also extend the pack life into the 15-25 year range even with heavy usage.

[@bobwallace9753]

@@ccibinel I don't know how much cobalt and nickel would actually be needed. But remember, those metals have to be mined only once for batteries. They can be recovered and reused. And also remember, the vast amount of cobalt now being consumed is used to refine oil into fuel. To deal with high sulfur content oil. As demand for fuel decreases that 'to be lost' cobalt can be diverted to batteries.

[@WarrenLacefield]

Didn't know about the bad statistics for firefighters. But I'm sure Pepsi and other trucking companies have databases for trucking accidents (and mechanical breakdowns, etc.). Even without FSD, Telsa cars are just about the safest vehicles on the road and I certainly expect the same thing for the Tesla Semi. It may be preliminary, but after 6 months of daily driving with 20+ Semi trucks, it sure would be good to see some accident (and mechanical) data comparing Semi and ICE/diesel trunks (and drivers) on highways and in urban environments.

[@lgude]

Good news indeed. I was a bit skeptical that these initial electric vehicles could compete with long established diesel technology. Looks really good. I think the light truck market will also depend on the ability to work, that is tow most of all. I think the Tesla Semi shows Tesla knows what is doing and the Cybertruck will probably really deliver as a workhorse. I’m not at all sure that the legacy pickups will deliver. Remember that F150 Hoovies Garage tested and found had severely limited range? (I know it was said to be a faulty battery- colour me skeptical) Typical legacy auto: make a EV that appears fit for purpose and put the minimum battery and motor in it to minimise cost and self sabotage in the process. The Nissan Leaf has the same problem of making a nicely made car but cheaping out on the electric part. They a 10 year jump and blew it. This isn’t Tesla’s doing, legacy auto has a century of experience screwing the public and they know how to do it so well they can’t stop.

[@austinpowers1999]

Diesel trains use electric motors to propel themselves.

[@OtisFlint]

@@austinpowers1999 Many ships do also, but the lack of a battery and necessary charging infrastructure makes the comparison useless.

[@asommer518]

I understand the need to tow, great test overall for Pickup size EV trucks. HOWEVER only 15% of all pickups are used for work and only a fraction of those tow regularly. Most pickups are driveway queens that never get their beds dirty. Anyway. Most work towing is within 50 or less miles of home base not across great distances. So the whole "Must tow 500 miles without fill up" is nonsense. A TINY market share at best.

[@davidmenasco5743]

Please note that Tom Moulogney, the most experienced and reputable EV tester on KZbin, debunked the Hoovies Garage videos as fraudulent. Based on his own extensive testing of the Lightning, and the data visible in the display of Hoovie's truck, Tom concluded that the stated efficiency would only happen if the truck had been driven at over 90 miles per hour, despite Hoovies saying that he had only driven at less than 70. As far as I'm aware, Hoovie never answered Tom's video. Tom's channel is called State of Charge. Furthermore, there's a channel that is focused on reviewing and testing all kinds of trucks, called TFL Truck. The owner of the channel, Roman, called the Lightning the best truck Ford has ever made. And this was specifically in reference to the effortless ability to tow a heavy load up the steep hills of Colorado while passing other motorists. Like Tom, Roman also saw much better towing range than was publicized in Hoovie's fraudulent videos.

[@danharold3087]

@@austinpowers1999 Yes also use the electric motors to slow the train. But instead of conserving the electricity from breaking they run it through a heater coil and vent it. A huge waste.

[@gregvoevodsky4323]

Standard semi-trucks typically have 10 gears. However, it's not unusual for big rigs to have 13, 15 and 18 gears, too. These gears are necessary for slowing down and speeding up when hauling heavy weight on different inclines and terrains.Jul 18, 2017

[@martshearer498]

One has to wonder how this will affect the "driver shortage"? If new drivers don't have to learn to shift all those gears, training should be simplified.

[@davidmenasco5743]

​@@martshearer498I believe a lot of the newer trucks are automatic. Still, electric trucks are said to be a vastly better driving experience and will surely help with the recruiting and retention of young drivers.

[@danharold3087]

@@martshearer498 A lot of trucks are being equipped with automatics for that reason.

[@janjayed]

It seems to have a GVW of less than 38tonnes. This is small compared to weights here in Australia. It certainly a good start.

[@scottmcshannon6821]

that is the maximum weight allowed in the US, what is the max in australia?

[@cyclopsvision6370]

Look at 3:01, the GVW is 82,000 pounds, which is the weight limit for class 8 trucks, without having to get additional permits

[@bobwallace9753]

@@cyclopsvision6370 It's actually 2,000 pounds more than the allowed gross weight for diesel rigs. Years back the DOE gave battery powered trucks a small increase in gross weight.

[@nas4apps]

Would be cool to do a set on European EV trucking. You would 't be surprised that distribution in countries like Norway or The Netherlands already have had EV trucks well before Tesla built one. Coldplay even tours with DHL on a minimal carbon emission set of concerts, lots of EVs involved. DAF, Volvo, MB, you name it: they drive in Europe. DAF is the European (EMEA) brand at Paccar.

[@ulyden1947]

Here in Norway we have el trucks with 1MWh batteries for more than one year now. Works fine.

[@fractalelf7760]

Nice, but clearly they are making no Global impact as Tesla will.

[@WarrenLacefield]

The promise of the Tesla Semi does not lie only in reduced/eliminated emissions. The Tesla software should provide for far better safety for trucking and for the other vehicles that share the road with trucks. As more data in this regard becomes available, EV trucks with superior software (offering driver alert shadowing, 360 degree awareness, load-balancing, and jack-knifing/tipping prevention, etc.) as well as things like regenerative braking, should demonstrate this inherent value.

[@richardbloemenkamp8532]

@@WarrenLacefield Placing the driver seat in the middle of the cabin is not great for visibility. Several truck drivers have responded to the Tesla Semi cabin layout. Most are not positive about it. Also we should compare trucks made in the same era. New trucks from other brands have a lot more electronics, software and camera's too. Still I think that the Tesla Semi will find it's market.

[@unitrader403]

@@richardbloemenkamp8532 how many of these responses were from drivers that actually sat in it?

[@davidmcsween]

You should absolutely look at the new electric conversion company in Australia called Janus Electric. They're proposing a new approach to long haul trucking, that could revolutionise existing Australian trucking fleets

[@dennisdonnelly4440]

To me the range makes sense since the trucks spend significant time in cities. In town milage increases dramatically. They charge with braking and any down slopes. It's better than I expected as well, which is awesome! Thanks for the vids Sam. 👍👍

[@Chmo4414]

Also remember the quoted range from tesla was with a fully loaded 80K LBS load. If you aren’t fully loading it then the range is easily extended.

[@cyclopsvision6370]

Look at 3:01, the Semi is rated for a max weight of 82,000 pounds, and don't forget about the 2 percent grade that Tesla put in their specs for that 500 mile range.

[@davidmcsween]

I guess they won't be doing any compression breaking, allowing them to drive at night past urban areas?

[@waynefergusson9987]

My dad got sick years ago with diesel poisoning and I have heard of many others over the years

[@vanodne]

Yes, Sam, it's the diesel fumes not the sound!

[@Jimmyxsx]

Diesel poisoning👈😆🤣😂 tell your dad to stop drinking the fuel lol

[@waynefergusson9987]

are you insane ?@@Jimmyxsx

[@Jimmyxsx]

@@waynefergusson9987 not as insane as your diesel drinking dad🤣😆

[@AmishMarine]

@@Jimmyxsxbut it was out of the fuel water separator so he thought it was safe! Haha

[@jimbo92107]

400+ miles, considering today's batteries, is impressive. Imagine in a few years, when battery capacity doubles..!

[@lesstevens2370]

Apparently there is a 10x capacity battery coming out

[@craigst1300]

Australia needs to reform its regulations on heavy trucks before we can get a better variety of electric trucks here to Australia. Unfortunately, the Tesla semi does not meet our current regulations. Although I do believe there is a push to have these regulations amended now.

[@jameshancock]

You’re describing a truck race. Most of the time it’s just what the governor is set to. In Canada, the trucks are set to 62 mph (100km) and the USA trucks to 65 mph care of differences in speed limits. So they take upwards of 30 minutes passing each other going up hills and thus losing everything they slowly gained with the governor difference. The problem is that they’re allowed in the left lane at all. Add truck passing lanes going up hills if you must but there’s no reason for semis out in the left lane.

[@ljprep6250]

I think you played the video of Tesla Semi driving 500 continuous miles with a heavy load without recharge, so why are you doubting the 450 mile figure from Pepsi Tesla Semis? // 20-30 mins for 10-90% charge is phenomenal!

[@bob___]

You commented about hydrogen. The problem with hydrogen is that it explodes, and we don't have a safe way to store it in a vehicle. We know how to put hydrogen in a tank like a propane tank, but vehicles carrying gases in tanks aren't allowed to go through tunnels (at least in the US) because of the risk of catastrophe if there is an explosion in the tunnel. That means that a way to store hydrogen in a fuel cell (where the hydrogen is trapped in a manner that is not conducive to explosion) must be developed before hydrogen can be practical as a vehicle fuel. Also, hydrogen-fueled vehicles are internal combustion vehicles, and, other than vehicle emissions, they have the same disadvantages that petroleum-fueled vehicles have vis-a-vis electric vehicles (for example, internal combustion engines are inherently more complex -- and therefore more expensive to manufacture -- than electric motors).

[@danharold3087]

Hydrogen loss end to end is 10 to 20%. More hydrogen in the atmosphere is a problem too.

[@rogergeyer9851]

In the real world, the tanks used for the Toyota Mirai are safe and robust. But they're EXPENSIVE and HEAVY. The problem with FCEV's isn't primarily safety, it's ECONOMICS. BEV's are already proven practical. FCEV's not so much, re the cost, and that's without building out a large, safe hydrogen network, etc. We might see some FCEV for ongoing commercial purposes like buses (can be fueled at one bus depot, etc), but for passenger vehicles and delivery trucks, it will have to be shown as economically competitive, and in the face of ongoing costs, that seems unlikely. Maybe -- MAYBE, it could be an answer for long haul flights vs. batteries, BUT the weight and safety of the fuel tanks is a major consideration given aircraft weight economic and safety constraints.

[@vawlkus]

The plan for the megachargers that Tesla submitted to the government for a charging corridor between California and Texas includes chargers for other semi chargers as well as their megachargers.

[@pin65371]

It was like 75% Tesla chargers though. If they manage to get the government to pay for that I'll laugh. Really either way Tesla is building it so let them pay for it.

[@vawlkus]

@@pin65371they are. The government grant doesn't cover more than a fraction of the install cost, much less the upkeep.

[@davidmenasco5743]

​@@pin65371The benefits of BEV trucking for society would make this one of the most cost effective government expenditures of all time, even if it was covered 100%. And that would be true even if there were no greenhouse effect and no global warming. The savings on healthcare expenses alone would easily pay for it. Not to mention the savings from energy efficiencies and lack of oil spill cleanups.

[@mrmawson2438]

Sounds bloody great nice one Tesla an cheers Sam

[@electricviking]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@danpszeniczny9664]

Hey Sam, best regards to you and your family! Thanks for your channel. Also coal is egregiously dirty Sam, my observation with coal heating in my elderly parent’s home.

[@jamesm8747]

Good story, I'd like to see one on what the likes of Volvo and JAC are doing. Been hearing about Volvo from fully charged and seen JAC electric trucks on dealership lots in Australia

[@goodquestion7915]

Great piece Sam, thank you

[@aghauler1964]

Very interesting VLOG. I am a over the road career driver, one thing you may not have thought of is a drivers wage is on average 60 cents per mile, You can do the math A semi needs to do at least 645 miles on a 11 hour drive cycle for a operator to have a liveable income, Also because you don't make a career driving, There is barely enough parking presently, I have difficulty visualizing enough charging stations, Also whom will shoulder the cost of power grid expansion and overall charging stations and will electrics be as cheap to run as diesels? If I may also boldly speak on your comment of the unsafe smoke in fire houses, Even my small town volunteer station has smoke evac systems, Please remember gas engine exhaust is far more toxic than diesel. I wish you well in California and please accept my apologies for being poignant with my comments but I realize you don't make your living driving. All the Best from Iowa.

[@danielmadar9938]

Beautiful. The Australian roadtrains batteries replacement company is also great.

[@oldbloke204]

Not roadtrains just singles from what I saw. No way they would have the range or charging facilities to run roadtrains unless there are major changes in technology imo. Great idea for local work perhaps but not distance stuff in Australia. If you watched the video that I did I found it rather amusing that the company doing this still used a gas powered forklift. Sort of ironic really.

[@andrewradford3953]

Janus do battery swaps. Unlimited range, even for a B double on routes with swap stations.

[@oldbloke204]

@@andrewradford3953 So unlimited swap stations with solar and mains/diesel genset backup then? Is this in Australia? Maybe in many years but not yet methinks.

[@davidmenasco5743]

​@@oldbloke204There is a company in Australia upfitting trucks to battery electric with swapping batteries, and installing the equipment in truck depots now. This transition is underway now. At long last.

[@oldbloke204]

@@davidmenasco5743 Yep I have seen the video and saving old trucks is a good idea albeit an expensive one. Had to have a bit of a laugh when I saw them using a gas forklift though. Yep the transition sure is pushing up our power bills by leaps and bounds for sure. Lucky they promised it was cheaper eh?

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

THANKS SAM,WE LEARN EVERYDAY 🧐💚💚💚

[@petersimms4982]

Love it , trucks that can overtake, accelerate at lights as opposed to holding everyone up 😊

[@Texarmageddon]

Don’t hold your breath… the vast majority of the trucks you see holding up traffic are slow for a reason…. Them being diesel or ICE has very little to do with it.

[@glike2]

EV Semi has a double efficiency advantage going up and down hills. 1. Maintaining constant average speed is more efficient for a given trip time than slowing down up hills. 2. Regenerative braking recovering all energy down hill. Trucks in many countries have many challenging mountains to navigate that are easy for EVs.

[@Tschacki_Quacki]

No more concerns about power uphill, no more concerns about braking downhill. No more runaway ramps.

[@JohnSmith-zi9or]

Regenerative braking does not recover anywhere near the same amount of energy needed to get up a hill.

[@JohnSmith-zi9or]

@@Tschacki_Quacki At least in the USA, EVs still require and have traditional brakes. And all Tesla manuals (don't know about Semi yet) have warnings about using regenerative braking mode when towing or under high vehicle loads, on a steep hill or during wet or icy road conditions. The runway ramps aren't going anywhere.

[@Tschacki_Quacki]

@@JohnSmith-zi9or Having warnings about them in the manual doesn't mean that they are useless. The exact same things apply to mechanical brakes as well and I'm pretty sure that you'll find the same warnings in any ICE vehicle manual too.

[@pin65371]

@@Tschacki_Quacki that could actually be an issue if they arent putting good enough brakes on the trucks. If you are hitting the motors and battery hard going up the hill its possible the truck wouldnt allow regen going down the hill to prevent thermal issues.

[@vanrozay8871]

It will probably be years before Tesla is able to meet demand for the Semi. Its advantages are many, its cost reasonable. And check out video of its anti-jacknife abilities; it will save lives, trucks, and cargo. Other makers of EV semis are not serious competiton, spec for spec. The Semi and coming smaller car may be Tesla's greatest sellers in a few years, in vehicles, anyway. (Power storage, robotics, AI may be even bigger.)

[@metricstormtrooper]

The speed limit IS 110 KL/H NOT around 110 - 115, I've found that semi drivers are far Better than any of the SUV and HUGE UTE Cowboys that seem to think that you're a hazard to traffic if you have the temerity to be in front of them and aren't doing at least 15k over the speed limit.

[@nixter1nixter1]

I remember many negative predictions proclaiming the improbability of a Tesla truck achieving the advertised performance specs. There was a preeminent professor's KZbin video solemnly claiming that the claimed specifications were mathematically impossible. I wish I had bookmarked that so I could ask him how he could have been so wrong.

[@jpmackin]

They dial down the full charging capability in order to not degrade the battery pack as quickly… so too the car fleet.. My Model Y has never charged over 150 KWh..

[@levenkay4468]

Please be more careful of your units. If your Y has rung up over 600 miles on its odometer, I can assure you that it *has* charged over 150KWh.

[@philflip1963]

I'd like to hear more about the ways in which Tesla bennefits from Government Subsidies and how this compares to how other Manufacturers do or could since it could trow light upon the sources of Teslas proffitability and confirm just how competitive or not they are with Legassy Manufacturers.

[@codacoda565]

Sam you should check out the new electric boat made by Four Winds h2e they are starting delivery in a couple months

[@user-fw6sp4jt4h]

I see FCEV technology is the future for heavy duty trucks.

[@BigBen621]

While FCEV has some benefits over BEVs, the cost of H2 makes it prohibitive for now. Real world example: The Toyota Mirai carries 5.65 KG of H2, and gets an EPA range of 357 miles. A KG of H2 in San Diego, where I live, is currently about $25, having recently increased from about $17(!). So the per-mile cost of H2 for the Toyota Mirai is 5.65 x 25 / 357 = 40¢/mile. Meanwhile, my Tesla Model Y has a 75 kWh battery, and has an EPA range of about 320 miles. At residential rates of about 25¢/kWh, the per-mile cost of electricity for my Model Y is 75 x .25 / 320 = 6¢/mile-85% *less* than the cost per mile of H2. And my cost is actually 0¢/kWh, since I charge from my own rooftop solar-which of course FCEVs can't do. If the cost of H2 can be brought down by a factor of 6, HCEVs will be cost-competitive with BEVs; until then, they'll continue to be just technology demonstrations, with no real applications except where operating cost is irrelevant.

[@user-fw6sp4jt4h]

@@BigBen621 I agree with all what you mentiond. I am talking about heavy duty trucks. Your example is about passenger cars. But you can not depend on your solar panels above your home to charge your truck right?? So, how can you charge it? The current answer is by electricity from an electric grid powered by fossil fuel The idea is that there is no technology until today to store renewable energy on a large scale except hydrogen. Many countries are paying (billions of dollars) not millions to establish infrastracture for green hydrogen production and refuling stations, and hydrogen price will drop in the upcoming years

[@BigBen621]

​@@user-fw6sp4jt4h ​ Ahmed, if you're asking if I can charge a Tesla Semi from the solar panels on my roof, of course not, at least not in any reasonable time. But that's just a matter of scale; a larger array would certainly be capable of doing this, and Tesla is installing solar arrays and Megapacks (batteries) on all Tesla Semi Megachargers, to provide at least some of the energy for recharging Tesla Semis at their home yards. But, as you say, the remainder must be made up from the electric grid, partially powered by fossil fuel-although less so every year. H2 is far from the only technology for storing renewable energy on a large scale; for example, pumped hydro, or gravity energy storage. It has advantages and disadvantages for this purpose. But for all the advantages H2 has, it has one glaring and inescapable disadvantage when used in transportation-very low efficiency. To expand on the cost comparison above, a KG of H2 contains 33.33 kW of energy. Since the Toyota Mirai requires 5.65 KG of H2 for a range of 357 miles, it requires 5.65 x 33.33 / 357 = .527 kWh or 527 Wh to drive a mile. Meanwhile, my Tesla Model Y have averaged just under 300 Wh/mile for almost three years, barely half as much. And this is comparing H2 delivered to the Toyota vs. electricity delivered to the Tesla. Counting losses during hydrolysis; cooling; compressing; transporting (often by truck); and losses during transportation, the end-to-end efficiency of an FCV is about one-third that of a BEV. Like charging a BEV, hydrolysis to generate H2 for an FCV can be powered by solar power; but it takes triple the solar capacity as a BEV for the same distance travelled. And, like my system, energy the solar system can't provide to generate H2 for an FCV must be made up from the electric grid-only three times as much as for a BEV. When experts talk about how much solar and wind power will be required for a renewable transportation sector using BEVs, it'll take triple that much for FCVs. I am all for continuing demonstration projects for FCVs; but it will take major breakthroughs at every step of the H2 economy for it to ever be cost-competitive with BEVs. And wishful thinking won't change that.

[@RWBHere]

Hang on a minute, Sam. The Maths seem to be wrong there. 750 kW for 45 minutes of charging, assuming a constant 750 kW is only 562.5 kWh. If the battery has a capacity of 900 kwh, then that's only 62.5% of total capacity. So they must be recharging from, say 20% to 82.5% SOC. Unless the battery has a smaller capacity than 900 kwh.

[@beeswaxlover]

Loving this. But what do you know about the roads?? In Australia how will they get past the 6t front axle weight limit? Will we need better roads?? What's the plan?

[@8ettieP46e]

Same thing when the world went from horse and carriage to autos... new roads, new infrastructure spends... means new blue collar jobs. need to shift spending from MIC to infrastructure.

[@BigBen621]

Last time I looked Tesla Semis aren't being sold in Australia. Have I missed something?

[@beeswaxlover]

@Big_Ben_from_La_Mesa not only missed something, but also saw something that wasn't said...

[@BigBen621]

@@beeswaxlover So Tesla Semis *are* being sold in Australia? That's huge news! Thanks for sharing!

[@beeswaxlover]

@@BigBen621 are you hallucinating??

[@robertfonovic3551]

31 million dollar grant for 21 trucks ? Sounds expensive to me.

[@davidsmith5584]

How many solar panels do I need to charge my Tesla Semi?

[@maxspeed30]

Great video thanks very interesting

[@electricviking]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@grahamoldfield3871]

I agree Electric trucks are the future . Musk has put back deliveries of the Semi till late next year du ( probably due to battery production shortages of the 4680 ) . Firefighter have higher cancer risk because of the highly toxic air they breath at some fire , super hot air that burns the linings of their lungs , cancer causing building material like aspesstos that a lot of builds have , most Australian Firestation open both from and rear roller doors before they start the trucks ,they don't sit around with the engine running . The data on firefighters may also be unreliable as they used a lot cancer causing firefighting products ( look up some of the foaming agents and see how bad they are .

[@steveyoung8376]

worse than the diesel fumes is when trucks brakes fail and the smell of the over heating brakes. and also smell of over heating clutch too.

[@mirvine1]

The 401 along the section between Cornwall and Kingston is horrible for Trucks taking up both lanes at slow speeds is ridiculous.

[@machoopichoo2]

Viking, firefighters die from cancer due to exposure to burnt things like particulates, from asbestos, formaldehyde, etc. The trucks exhaust to the outside. I know particulate matter from Diesel is terrible but that's just a correlation, in this case.

[@Myrslokstok]

Maybe drivers could increase drive time to 4:30 h if the car is easy to drive and have a lot of safty features built in.

[@john-wo4rv]

Did Jake brake and regenerative braking are both similar you don’t have to use stop pedal.

[@BigBen621]

The difference, though, is that you get energy back when you use regenerative braking to control speed in an electric vehicle, but not when you use the Jake Brake on a diesel semi.

[@jonpetter8921]

No mention about the second recall of Tesla Semi before they even are officially on sale for the masses ? :D Volvo already have over 1000 BEV trucks on road, BYD over 10 000 :D. Tesla only have around 30 semis delivered to retailer for test purpose. Even Nikola had around over 40 units BEV truck delivered :D

[@desertdan100]

I am skeptical about claims. I think there are a lot of things left out. The wording on statements alone made me pause. Like the statement of using less than 1.7kw per mile instead of between around 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile per KW. In California semis are very limited on top speed. Nikola has a lot of real world data on all of their trucks that have been out almost a year longer.

[@julianskinner3697]

You think we get all the information on fossil fuels?

[@desertdan100]

@@julianskinner3697 You can go anywhere and find out real world data about every diesel semi out there on the market and data from the past on range, fuel consumption, weight etc..

[@seekerstan]

I've always wondered what the range of a Tesla Semi fully loaded with megapacks that it could charge from would be.

[@BigBen621]

Who cares? It can drive as far in a day, fully loaded, as permitted by HOS regulations and speed limits, if you include a top-off during the 30-minute break required at 8 hours; since these are day cabs, they're not designed for team driving; and so any additional range beyond what it'll do in a day would simply be wasted.

[@dosgos]

Electrifying some huge, dirty diesel trucks may have outsized environmental benefits. Maybe that should be the priority #1.

[@hartoz]

Are these trucks carrying Pepsi or are they carrying potato chips (Frito-Lay)? The range is going to be a lot better if your carrying chips. Also, Pepsi are pretty much acting as Beta Testers for Tesla, as I don't think Tesla are delivering trucks to any other customer.

[@BigBen621]

Some are carrying Pepsi, some are carrying potato chips. And yes, the range will be better carrying chips. But Tesla has demonstrated a range of 500 miles on 93% of battery capacity, loaded to 81,000 lbs. GCVW; and so range with a lighter load will be even farther.

[@rodmitchell831]

Thanks for good news Sam

[@jakereal3604]

Forgot to say not only is this Semi awesome in range, recharge speed and power but to me it looks awesome too!

[@huibu8987]

0:03 some optimation for lanekeeping with semi needed i guess. the driver is kinda worried looking into the mirror :D

[@chrisborns5972]

Umm Tesla ran a rated cap load 500 miles on freeway and posted the full trip.

[@rogergeyer9851]

Yes, but I SUSPECT the issue is TRUSTING that claim -- given things like MANY false Musk claims re FSD timing and performance, for example. So if something approaching the Tesla claim can be independently verified, then that is important news, re knowing such trucks are truly viable to replace a large proportion of the diesel fleet over time.

[@AmishMarine]

Not when deduct from the capacity per load.

[@eddiegardner8232]

An electric fire truck is a "no brainer". Very local range usage is typical. Charge at the fire station while idle, with little need for high-power DC charging stations, so the batteries should last virtually "forever". Electricity onboard to run booster pumps, ladder extenders, vehicle emergency lighting, etc without any smoky emissions when deployed or at the fire station.

[@rogergeyer9851]

Except you want a good amount of power for ANY run, so letting it sit at low power and charge slowly won't work. You need POWER for all that onboard power for hours you're touting. It will likely work out over time, but it's NOT a no brainer, unless you make unrealistic assumptions.

[@dclpgh]

AT 1:40 That Freightliner is an early Tesla Semi systems prototype.

[@Bob_Sacamano]

Does Australia have those sound dampening tall walls along their freeways like in dense urban/suburban cities in America?

[@jb5music]

Okay finally we get a little bit of reveal on some of the stats and specs. Let's roll out that map of 750 KW superchargers. 😆 How much does one of those cost compared to a hydrogen fuel cell refueling station? And you'll notice anybody quick to dispel any abysmal wait times... By of course jumping up inside the cab and filming the screen displaying the miles per hour rate of charge. As of course everybody and especially the Electric Viking knows Teslas have the ability to do. But... well... we just decided to take the drivers word for it. A 100% in a half hour. So yeah I think I'll go with 8 hours on a more realistically available 250 kw charger.

[@patmcdaniel2016]

From my understanding, semi is limited to 750Kw charging due to the batteries being 2170 cells and not the 4680, which can take the 1Mw charge.

[@davidmacbeth5575]

Would be interesting to know what the load carrying capacity of these rigs is.

[@vaughnmoore4950]

Total weight of standard tractor trailer loaded in US cannot exceed 80000.

[@steven4315]

@@vaughnmoore4950 Electric trucks are allowed 82,000 lbs.

[@robert5008]

​@@vaughnmoore4950Not quite, ev trucks are allowed to hit 82k pounds to make up for the battery pack.

[@Tschacki_Quacki]

@@vaughnmoore4950 electric trucks are allowed to have 82000 max

[@bobwallace9753]

According to Tesla their T-semis can carry just as much weight as a diesel rig at a gross weight of 80,000 pounds. And DOE regs allow battery powered trucks to gross out at 82,000 pounds which means that T-semis can haul a ton more than can diesel rigs.

[@jpmackin]

Wish Pepsi would tell us the cost savings by charging verses diesel…

[@richardbloemenkamp8532]

I'm not convinced that the Pepsi drivers are objective as it is a PR stunt for them as well. But I do hope that a lot of trucks and delivery vans will be replaced by electric ones where possible.

[@rogergeyer9851]

Clearly it's already happening with delivery vans, and will continue. With the trucks, it will all come down to performance and economics over time. The thing to remember is that battery technology continues to improve in price AND performance - meaningfully, over time. It's not a question of if, but of WHEN. And it might well be that it takes a decade or two, or even three for the transition to unfold for the whole fleet, as batteries improve -- just like for passenger vehicles as the batteries and economics and production scale improves.

[@user-hx3pd8zi5l]

Noisy no dought. I'm in alberta.zero emissions rules on diecel trucks.my dsl trk demoded 2 max15km hr.at my remote home.my friend grabbed a tuner 4 me and cat delete,1000$ hf hr on phone and I was back 2 drive n.most trk rnd here are loud

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

firefighters also get hurt on the job, and breathing far more chemicals than a fuel fumes....the fuel fumes in a fire house are minimal in comparison to what they face during their on scene situations. they face heat, hundreds of chemicals from building materials and personal items being burned, falling down, things falling on them, etc.

[@jakereal3604]

Love or hate Elon Musk he’s a brilliant innovative man and makes a darned good product IMO. Now that the model 3 has come down so far I’m toying with buying one maybe soon!

[@capnkirk5528]

I watched the Pepsi video. Unintended consequence #1, which I REALLY love: TWO of the drivers were women! That is less uncommon than it used to be, but still the percentage of women driving big rigs is still low, and the Semi may help change that. There WAS a shortage of drivers - opening up driving to women is a big plus. Everything else they had to say? Pretty much what the educated people expected. Tesla needs to get moving on the Semi though, because Walmart will want electric trucks for the cost savings and PR benefits and will run out of patience and buy elsewhere - even if it is a less perfect truck. eCascadia comes to mind.

[@rogergeyer9851]

Good point. I'm all for women doing ALL jobs they want to do, as long as they can be competent at those jobs. Once the physical requirements for, say, trucking and firefighting are within the boundaries of what some women can handle (and pass certification for) -- more power to them.

[@joeradermacher8110]

I have been told that the exhaust on today's diesel trucks is cleaner then the air going into the engine.

[@danharold3087]

Particle emissions are better but only 1 part of the problem. Bard says that it is estimated that 20% or more of trucks are running with the def systems disconnected.

[@richyfoster7694]

Hahahahahahaaa, good one😂

[@davidmenasco5743]

You have been told wrong. And besides, if the air going in isn't clean, what made it dirty in the first place?? Air pollution is caused mainly by two things. Burning fossil fuels, and burning wood. How much wood do people burn in your neighborhood?

[@paolo11x11]

Those numbers are impressive if real. Yeah it's not only the noise that's bad for your health - diesel particulate pollution is carcinogenic.

[@lesliecarter4295]

Hydrogen powered class 8 out performing these vehicles. Should be interesting to watch this evolve over the next year. PepsiCo introducing the Taurus hauling out of Brisbane will give them a direct comparison.

[@danharold3087]

Unfortunately hydrogen may contribute to climate change by increasing the amounts of other greenhouse gases such as methane, ozone and water vapor, resulting in indirect warming. That's a problem because hydrogen's small molecule is difficult to contain. End to end loss is expected to be 10% to 20%.

[@lesliecarter4295]

@@danharold3087 ‘may contribute’. Keep spreading the FUD like you always do!

[@avnut5517]

I will take a Tesla battery over a Hydrogen tank.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

@@danharold3087 What's the pollution from sinking a ship with a battery fire.

[@neilkurzman4907]

So a hydrogen has the same torque as a diesel? Or gasoline? There’s a reason we don’t have gasoline class 8 trucks anymore. And I assume you’re talking pistons and not fuel cells

[@Afrocanuk]

In regards to gears, the trucks still have reduction gears to build up torque. This is mandatory. The ratio just cannot be changed.

[@crp9985]

Nothing is a no brainer until you see hat happens during the total life span of the trucks. That's why things need to be tested in the real world. I'm surprised about the charging times, that is very useful if totally true.???? We will see.

[@AmishMarine]

Truck noise puts me to sleep! I love it!

[@sunrisejak2709]

I'd like to hear what your sister has to say. It would appear that her education and background could be a good contribution. 😊

[@jimpackard8059]

Charging is not the game changer point here. It is the weight that the semi cannot carry. Moving lorries is all about how much you can carry. Simple

[@BigBen621]

It carries within about a ton of what a diesel semi can carry, and at much lower cost.

[@danharold3087]

In the US most 'lorries' do not transport the full load. Something like 80% do not.

[@cat_fs677]

From an Aussie perspective I kind of dread the prospect of extremely fast semi-trailers cutting through the traffic. Truck drivers (some, not all) are among the most reckless and most impatient drivers on the road here.

[@joachimfrey3827]

Hi, If the drivers are given a Truck that is "fast" then they will be less impatient. The faster return after delivery will give a higher job satisfaction and the quit truck a more relaxing driving experience.

[@bobqzzi]

So...750kw charger for 30 minutes= 375 KwH . Sam implies they can go 450 miles on 375Kw which is 1.2 Miles/Kwh which is basically impossible.

[@rogergeyer9851]

And your ilk claimed they'd be violating the laws of physics, but we already have the numbers from the posted Tesla 500 mile run, and results like these are confirming the (rough) numbers of that. Making random claims based on your bias or intuition with NO real data doesn't age well.

[@chrisheath2637]

The problem with ANY vehicle manufacturer not called Tesla is the mountain you have to climb when you are designing new vehicles, called "software". Tesla builds its own design software - more capable than off-the-shelf products. Design and simulation software that excels in every area of design. And Simulation is critical in EV development - aero, weight, battery management (charging and temperature control), performance of electronics, crash worthiness. Maybe an overlooked advantage of Tesla, but they have the "best" software, and hardware experts in every field....Did I mention that they heavily use AI throughout manufacturing ?

[@brendanpells912]

Have they published axle weights yet or is that still top secret?

[@LordTimelord]

They haven't published exact numbers yet. But the educated guesses are that it is about 2,000 to 4,000 lb heavier than a conventional diesel tractor.

[@tanthony3895]

The weight of these vehicles is going to be prohibitive. Passenger vehicles that are EV are incredibly heavy and this is going to cause major issues on roadways, drivers safety, and more production of tires which will lead to even more greenhouse gases and emissions due to power plant emissions and more distribution issues and shipping. This is not a best case answer going to electric. We need to do our homework.

[@brendanpells912]

@@LordTimelord Not sure why it's such a big secret, you only have to take one to a weighbridge. I suspect Tesla has pretty much given these Semis to Pepsi and the drivers are contractually bound to not disclose any information nor make anything other than enthusiastic comments. Like the drivers in the Las Vegas loop. Any negativity and they're fired.

[@rogergeyer9851]

@@tanthony3895: Your ilk making ridiculous assumptions and claims doesn't age well. The Tesla semi is a little heavier and a LOT more powerful. And given the price and toxicity of BEV vs. Diesel, MASSIVELY better if it can make 400+ mile trips and be charged in about 30 minutes.

[@rogergeyer9851]

You suspect. Now THERE'S some POWERFUL research and credibility. /s

[@chrisolvera6386]

There are no other chargers that could charge them in that area so they right now can only charge at the Pepsi plant.

[@BigBen621]

*False.* There are 21 in five different locations, with planning underway for another 72 in nine different locations

[@petersimms4982]

That’s all the young kids aligience to Pepsi sorted , you snooze you loose coke 😂😂

[@rickbullock4331]

I think your statistics are skewed. Fire fighters most likely get their issues from going into burning buildings. I don’t know for sure,and I doubt you do either, that fire stations have venting to remove exhaust fumes from the stations. They also open the doors right away when a call comes in. The fire trucks don’t have to warm up because they’re inside with heated parking areas. The trucks shouldn’t have to wait very long for air buildup because they do have maintenance shops if there are any air loss situations. I think Pepsi drivers will tell the media whatever Pepsi told them to say if they want to keep their jobs and maybe they signed a NDA, does anyone know for sure? Trucks with 30 gears, what percentage of trucks running on the highways today have that many gears, not many at all. Most trucks have 13 or 18 or less with more and more being automatics too. The diesel noise is an issue? I guess they picked the wrong vocation. I drove for over 40 years and there were a few that were very noisy (older Detroit 2 stroke engines) but not so much these days. Most modern diesel trucks have 0 idle emissions and much lower emissions than they were 20 years ago. Lots of older drivers still like the mechanical fuel pumps that can over-fuel and blow black smoke but most drivers are fuel conscious and don’t want to pay more to run down the road than they have to. You can spin it any way you want to I guess. I’m not against electric trucks but for long distances I think they’ll be a while. This is my opinion.

[@mrmawson2438]

Morning mate

[@electricviking]

Morning!

[@icosthop9998]

Semi Time 😊 1st to give a thumbs up 👍 And 1st to be 1st 🤗 🥇