Tested In-Depth: Building a PC with Haswell-E, X99, DDR4

We sit down to discuss some of the latest new technologies available to desktop PC building, including Intel's eight core Haswell-E CPU, X99 motherboards, DDR4 memory, and PCIe storage. While most of these high-end components are impractical for home PC builds and even gaming, we prescribe some picks for what upgrades make the most sense for PC builders.

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

"We're PC experts..." Uses apple products. Then goes on to say AMD is a power saver LOL.

[@1998awalker]

Nothing wrong with using apple products but yeah the comments on amd are baaadddd.

[@TheVolgun]

"Uses apple products" so ... apple products aren't personal computers?

[@craigroberts5965]

TheVolgun some are

[@craigroberts5965]

TheVolgun You don't get PC Experts for Apple products because "they just work" and "they never break down"....... And if you do, you're called a Genius!

[@TheVolgun]

Craig Roberts Well, lets just discount apples marketing speak for a second (bar the "they never break down" thing ... i don't think anyone that is honest would say that about anything man made) - they are built with the same parts as "regular PCs", so my point is you can be a PC expert and deal with both - just like Will & Norm.

[@pcinvictus]

The top end AMD chips are perfectly fine for gaming. In game you will notice little to no real difference. But feel free to pay hundreds of dollars more for an overpriced Intel chip. Not to mention that is one horrifically sloppy build.

[@Austin5613]

Nope. Your opinion is wrong.

[@Arnþor]

Ampharos His opinion is actually right. Years ago his opinion would have been wrong back when processors were changing so much however now so long as you have at least quad core processor with a decent enough clock speed by either company, you're really not going to lose much if any performance. You'll only lose performance for games that utilize and are optimized to use more CPU performance exclusively or with the addition to a GPU. In other words, it depends on the game and how it's optimized.

[@stevenjenkins6147]

PC Invictus There is no denying that AMD are certainly capable of playing current games. But there's a bit more to it than that. Intel are pricey, but they do perform better than AMD cpu's. Whether the amount better they perform by is a reasonable pricing, is up to how much money the individual is willing to throw at it... Intel are pretty good and are outperforming their AMD rivals by quite a noticeable amount.. And I am not an intel fanboy, I've been mostly an AMD user since the Athlon 64 era. Just try to see them both objectively (although I am looking forward to seeing AMD make a come back with Zen)

[@acexprt]

Why do I feel that Will doesn't really know what he is talking about.

[@mduvigneaud]

Because Norm keeps rambling off random specs in a non-informative way (sorry Norm...) and Will asks him to clarify what he's saying.

[@MordeaniisChaos]

It's Will's job to guide the conversation to help people know what's going on. He actually does know, he's just making it seem conversational instead of smacking Norm and telling him to stop confusing the viewers.

[@metalheaddw05]

MordeaniisChaos the problem is, the actual facts theyre stating and specs are wildly iinaccuratewhich points to the fact that these guys aren't very well informed on up to date specs and systems. They both even admitted to not upgrading their systems for half a decade.

[@SigneOtter]

Im sorry but your comment about intel beeing better for desktop computers is just plain wrong. AMD has long had a reputation for providing cheaper, higher performance processors with higher power consumption, as such better for gaming. More bang for your buck if you will. Intels are more expensive, providing similiar performance with less power consumption. This is also true for AMD's video cards and Nvidia cards.

[@wussie7766]

For $150 you can get an 8 core AMD, $150 and less all you are going to get intel is dual core. AMD is THE chip to go with for Budget high end gamers.

[@cdas6673]

AMEN! just built an AMD machine for $605 and its a beast :)

[@RobThePlumber]

There is no such thing as "budget" and "high-end" in the same sentence. If you want high-end buy Intel.

[@cdas6673]

Rob The Plumber that's not true. Ferrari and toyota make high end cars. Just because Ferrari makes cars that are better than any Toyota car (like the LFA) it doesn't mean that Toyota doesn't have a high end option. The same goes for Intel and AMD. Both Intel and AMD make high end cards. Just because Intel's best CPU is better than AMDs best CPU doesn't mean that AMDs CPU isn't high end. the term "high end" is also reltaive. It depends on what you are comparing. If you are comparing CPUs against other CPUs, the "high end" cards are the ones that are "significantly better" than the rest (whatever that means). On the other hand, you could compare cards to the games that are current. This method, I believe, us the only relevant comparison, because it is testing the card against its purpose and it doesn't become a dick measuring competition. I would classify a card as "high end" if it can play the games that come out around the time when it was purchased on the highest settings or at least very close. Both Intel and AMD, according to the definition that I think is most relevant, make "high end" CPUs. But of course this is my opinion, so this is the way that I see it. If you disagree that is fine, but when you make a statement like that people may try to argue with you because they may be defining "high end" differently than you do. And I haven't even gotten to what "budget build" can mean to different people Lol 

[@cdas6673]

***** a 60% increase is still a substantial increase in price in my book. If you are looking at cards in the sub $200 range, AMD is the way to go. I'm not sure what AMD fanboys have to do with this. I know Intel makes cards that outperform AMD cards. They just cost (substantially) more. And speaking of fanboys have you read your own post? You seem to be an Intel fanboy to me... I don't mean to discount your experiences, but your sample size does not justify your stance on all amd and intel cards. And I'm not dismissing what you are saying. I am however saying that since we are talking about companies that alone make millions of cards, personal experience is not a litmus test unless you have used a thousand cards from each company. Lol my bad. I meant to say LFA, idk why I typed GTR. And yes the LFA is a Lexus, but Lexus is Toyota. Also, your comment about cheaping out is insensitive to people who cannot afford a $1000 machine. To them, an 8350 or whatever may be the top end of their budget. If you can afford something better,go for it. But it doesn't mean everyone else can.

[@wussie7766]

More Reliable? Since when? I'm still using my AMD Phenom II X4 965 that's been out since 2009 overclocked since 2009 and I've never had a problem with it.

[@TheRealEZOverdose]

the cable management makes my eyes bleed the color of that red sata cable. "together we have 45 years of pc building experience." sata cables look like theyre about to get caught in the gpu fan and cable management looks like it was someones first time build

[@acrboi]

ITS TOMMORROW GTX 980 AND 970

Guys you made me salivate with this setup ! All that technical terms, lovin' it.I use my PC for gaming, and I work from home. Replacing the boot hard drive with a 512GB SSD, was the single biggest performance boost I have ever experienced in my 21 years building custom PC's. For casual office use I also only install SSDs. PC Master Race proves is again ! Cheaper over the long run to buy a PC for gaming than a console. With PC one save on cheap games and cheap performance hardware + Steam Big Picture, and ability to create my own software/games. Need I say more ? Recently I replaced a friend's slow 7-yo laptop (even for it's time) HDD with a SSD, the performance boost was enormous and was much cheaper than replacing the laptop. Setup: 3x 23" LG 3D monitors, Total 9Tb HDD space, 24Gb Ram, Radeon 7770 + bells & whistles.

[@damianson]

Im still using a 7+ year old 2.4 intel water cooled /overclocked to 3.2 and 2 7870 gpu's. runs everything great. Ill upgrade my board/ram/chip when it dies. Surprized the chip hasnt died from the loads I put on it.

[@esaedvik]

Running a Q6600@3.2 with a GTX 460 myself and no, doesn't run everything great :D "Great" is pretty subjective. GTX 970 sure looks apetizing though.

[@LordGangrel]

Almost the same here, built a good but economic pc at the end of 2008, and except the dead gpu (9800 GT, damned microfractures) that was replaced with an even older one but OCd to over 150% of the original specs and the power source that the first gpu killed (It was my first time building a pc and bought one that was too weak), everything is still holding up pretty well for it's age. Now I've grown so attached to it over the years that I'll probably only change it when it dies.

[@NameHierEinfuegen]

Yeah good old q6600 ^^. Upgraded mine with a huge Mine 2 from Scythe and an 560ti 448 two years ago. Now its running at 3.6 with stock voltage and not getting above 60°c at max load. Sure I cannot run everything on highest settings but so far most stuff I throw at it runs nice on high. I will most likely use it till either something breaks or the performance gets too bad to bear :)

[@damianson]

***** actually its just hitting the limit as of last month even with everything overclocked to run on alien isolation. Its freezing up with the cpu at 3.6 at gpu also overclocked. Its been a great rig. Upgrade on boxing week sales at memoryexpress! Good for another 5 years than.

[@damianson]

only picked out the i5 k processor , so I can overclock in the future. Hard to say on board and ram, as I expect memory express to have great bundle deals on boxing day/week and Ill decide than. nothing crazy, prob only spend 200max on the board, prob get just 2 sticks of 8gig ram to start off with. well see! keep it under 550 max.

[@YoZync]

The white guy is pretty much questioning and agreeing with the asian guy but barely contributes to the conversation

[@x65535x]

Don't know why Norm was being so contradictory towards Will but Norm is wrong and Will is correct. All current Apple laptops use removable M.2 PCIe SSDs as does the Mac Pro and the iMac w/ SSD.

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

You guys are awesome. I recently bought a HP ENVY with core i7, 32GB of DDR3 and a Titan X for $2000. I plan on buying an Alienware core i7 with 32GB of DDR4 a Titan X for $3000 to use as a gaming workstation in my office. Loved your video.

[@taowulf]

Get some writers and finish a damn sentence.

[@maman89]

THIS!!! Watching this video annoys the fuck out of me. 40 mins of unorganized information.

[@michael22414]

Will sounds like the guy who has a 4/10 knowledge of hardware but talks like he's a 9/10 in knowledge. He can put the lego together, but he doesn't actually understand the science is behind each individual lego piece.

[@Krabbsallad]

Wow, these guys really hate each other. I mean the chemistry between them are hostile.

[@eoghanhennessy15]

This is such an awkward interaction

[@wrcwrcaldas]

+Eoghan Hennessy I agree, like the host has an issue with the guest.

[@alannikander1987]

+wrcwrcaldas uhm... host? Guest? They are cohosts who work together on their Tested website.

[@wrcwrcaldas]

+Alan Nikander did one of them sleep with the other's girlfriend the night before???

[@alannikander1987]

+wrcwrcaldas Ill have to watch it more.. I really wasn't watching it to notice the awkwardness..

[@duckceratops]

+Eoghan Hennessy I don't follow these guys so I don't know their KZbin personality but.. I don't really get any second-hand embarrassment from their interaction. The topics are clearly scripted but their transitions are rather smooth from topic to topic and I watched this mostly like a PodCast. Are you talking about their body language?

[@TheRhoaric]

Could have been an entertaining and informative 15 minute video of Norm making good points about new PC hardware.

[@jasf1728]

Cut to the chase jeez, I was falling to sleep waiting for you both to stop waffling to each other. Keep it concise and get to the point!

[@6to1]

The timing of these videos is perfect. I'm building my first PC in 6 years and I'd already decided on the X99 when watching this. I think it's worth it because although I won't be spending $1000 on my CPU, I know that when the price drops I'll have the option to upgrade if the difference between it and the 5820 warrants it. The thing that hurts is that a $3000 PC today will cost $1500 next year and by then there will be a whole new line of crap to want.

[@apinakapinastorba]

In personal use, the "extreme" processor is only worth 1k if you are trying to get high benchmark scores. That's the only application for that.

[@MordeaniisChaos]

Plenty of people do plenty of things that ask for that kind of performance. People have all sorts of hobbies.

[@Llyod3000]

TheTwistedbeaver dont know what your doing.. but i render with my GPU..

[@AndrewDeLong]

Lloyd3000 And you probably do final outputs with your CPU if you're doing straight up video editing. Y'know, seeing as there are only a select few codecs that actually use a GPU for final file output. And they cost quite a bit.

[@afmb9096]

thank you very much this was incredibly informative - I am surprised that I had u subbed without seeing any of your Pc building vids before this is just a dream, especially since I'd planned to build a Pc in the near future (gaming mostly, no editing whatsoever) and this really showed me the error in my ''whelp needs 4+ cpu's''-thinking, I really need to read up a lot more before I start that build now^^

[@cdas6673]

Join the master race! :D I suggest though that you not listen to their bias towards Intel unless you have insane amounts of money to spend. you can build a budget AMD gaming machine for half the price of an Intel machine that can *Maybe* perform at the same level as the AMD.

[@afmb9096]

you seem AMD biased ;P just kidding, I wont be choosing by brand but by power/€ that's how I choose my current Laptop (OP little beast - but still only a laptop) and that's how I'll be building, however I will refrain from using high numbers of cores, and definitely look into some SSDs.

[@cdas6673]

I am a little AMD biased i must admit :P but only when it comes to price/performance haha. If i had more money though, i would hands down get Intel. In a heartbeat lol

[@afmb9096]

on a slightly less related note the only thing I will shy away from in the future is Acer, my last laptop lived 4years before complete collapse and that poor thing had it coming, this one didn't make 1 year without incidents, fan starting to act up, had to open the thing bend the case outwards put it back together only to find the screw securing the monitor broken - open again screw that shit back together somehow and pray for it to hold xP another reason to finally rejoin the master race ^^

[@cdas6673]

oh geez :/ ive never actually used an Acer machine, but ill take your experience as a warning! hopefully its not representative of all Acer machines.

[@depravedone]

The Noctua NH-D15 works great on the Haswell-E processors without going liquid cooling...

[@becentralized]

i have had a 8-core amd processor for a year now

[@Jedicake]

AMD?

[@MrRoverno]

hate to burst your bubble, but the amd CPUs are not 8 full cores. Its a bit like calling a 4790k an 8 core, although on amd the additional threads are not virtual.

[@deathblade909]

josh classen higher end chips for cg companies where 12 core, and AMD was first to have more cores. I think Intel even said back then that more cores would suck. Look at them now

[@Jedicake]

For mainstream/consumer processors, it's Intel's first 8 core. Also AMD CPU's are disappointing, given that even their 8300 series are beaten by intel's i5 cpu's

[@MiIIiIIion]

AMD's "8" cores are odd, they don't really match what we have normally thought of as a "core" for quite a while. In effect, each set of 2 cores in AMD's current lineup is somewhere between 2 traditional cores and a single core with hyperthreading.

[@johneckert1690]

I would have liked to see the transfer rates of a Ramdisk on the DDR 4 before and after the memory overclock as I use Ramdisk alot for rendering. If you have any data on the transfer rates of a Ramdisk on DDR 4 PLEASE RESPOND Thanks for the review it was very good and thanks for being out there for us youtubers.

[@anjopag31]

The intro: For nerds: Those are some cool specs Friends: What the heck are they talking about?

[@kevenharvey9711]

Drives me insane how they use Haswell-E for 2011 socket CPUs. Haswell-E is also available on the 1150 socket. It is a revision of the haswell chips.

[@acrboi]

Nvidia is much more power efficient than AMD. In fact the TDP for the new GTX 980 is suppose to be over 100 watts lower than the R9 290x. #nvidia4life The new 900 series cards are coming out this week, but then again this could have been recorded while ago. CORE COUNT IS NOT AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN AMD AND INTEL. They are completely different architectures. The only real way to compare performance is benchmarks or the comparisons between specifications between the same "architecture". For people commenting about how apple products are bad/ subpar , that's incorrect accept for the Mac Line-up. Performance/price may be bad, but what apple offers is perfected products in design/build, software. I must say though Macbooks are no good, Lenevo, Asus, Sony, hell even HP is holding some ground.

[@cdas6673]

I agree with what you said, but i dont think the comparison is fair when you look at the price for each GPU... you can get an R9 290X on amazon for $400. The expected price of the GTX 980 is $600+. It costs 50% more so it should be significantly better.

[@acrboi]

C Das Nvidia offers much better driver support, the cards run cooler and quieter. A cooler running card reduces the chances of throttling; so stained performance can be achieved for long durations. Not only that 100+ watts is almost enough energy for 2 light bulbs. That's alot of saved power which may effective your electric bill which can add up. Imagine saving $5 a month, that's $60 dollars a year and not only that you get much greater performance. All in all, if you have the budget for something like the GTX 980 go for it, its $150-200 more but what your getting is savings on energy bills, no throttling potential( there are AMD aftermarkets that are solid (sapphire vapor-x)0, more performance and great driver support. Low-end cards AMD are probably the best as the performance/price is great and the power usage is ok, but high-end builts with single or multiple cards Nvidia is the way to go. 4x290x= full size oven. 4x980= 400+ watts for power savings, thats insane. P.S the new 980 is only 549.99USD and aftermarkets are to be about 599.99USD I live in Canada so plus $100+, as for me this card is going to cost $649.99+ even though the currency is roughly the same and I live 400kms from the border.

[@cdas6673]

Ahh right, i didnt think to factor the savings into the price of the card. Good point!

[@PointyGorman]

Comparing only top end cards regardless of cost is a bad way to compare companies. AMD and Nvidia both make most of their money from their mid range cards, and both of them expect 3rd party cooling on all but their lowest end cards. Sure you can compare TDP but you have to take into account cost and performance too. Apple does not offer perfected "design/build", it's well documented that macbooks have overheating problems, their unibody is fragile at best, the keyboards low quality, etc, the list goes on. Apple offer a fashion product.

[@piero17sb]

Comparing a 980 to a 290X is unfair, one is a generation newer than the other, when the 390X comes out, then we will be able to decide which is the best FYI I just bought 2 970s, greatest card ever...

[@WouterH.]

13:24 isn't the CPU fan on the radiator mounted the wrong way? It'll blow the air INTO the case, rather than out!

[@DaveWirth]

Next weeks Lego Mystery Build - Mini Refrigerator

[@CNC-Time-Lapse]

Hi Norm, the 5930K is not a lower clock speed (3.5GHz base) than the 5960X (3.0GHz base) but rather lower core count at 6 cores instead of 8 cores. These two CPU however do offer 40 lanes of PCI-e as you mentioned.

[@ShadowBomber19]

Your cable management makes me cringe. I hope it doesnt stay that way however im very particular. Nice setup either way. FIX YOUR CABLES!

[@Obbliteration]

Cable managing is just something for obsessive people.

[@ShadowBomber19]

Or people who dont want restricted airflow.. And if he's overclocking and not watercooled... he's gonna need all the airflow he can get.

[@ShadowBomber19]

TheTwistedbeaver That is absolutely not true especially when overclocking a blockage is a blockage. However i dont think you should be overclocking unless you're watercooled but thats just my take.

[@Obbliteration]

***** He is using watercooling.. and the effect of cables on air circulation in a big case is neglectable.

[@gabetessin5837]

***** Overclocking with a good air cooler is more reliable and safer than any water cooling system. Yes water cooling can be better on the high end but there are very good options for air cooling. With round cables instead of antiquated "ribbon cables" cable management is mostly asthetic. I try my best to do very clean cable management on all my builds but in the end function and ease of use will overcome form. All that being said the cabling on this build is functional but could be a lot better.

[@enisylo]

A way of getting both high transfer speeds and large amounts of storage is to use several SATA3 SSDs in a RAID0 array, and a decent LSI RAID card. Fairly pricey, and chances of drive/data failure/loss are increased. But if you absolutely need high capacity and high write/read speeds, it's an option.

[@cmj20002]

I have the 5820K and it is a great price for a 6 core chip and I have it OC to 4.3 ghz and it is really stable at that speed.

[@FindecanorNotGmail]

Norm: I think you should put a dust filter over the intake fan for the radiator. The radiator is one thing that you don't want to have blocked.

[@craigroberts5965]

Or reverse the fans so they exhaust. The case has a bottom to top airflow design.

[@KommandantDahl]

Ugh. I haven't built a new system from scratch since 2011, and as a college student, I won't have the money to build another one for quite some time yet. So jelly of Norm's new rig. Great video, learning about stuff I haven't read up on yet (because of the money issues).

[@asgiov]

That Cable Management though.... Lol

[@johnconnor5231]

Ohhhhhh yea, love the tested pc build logs!

[@rocketman221projects]

Those extra cores will really speed up software compiling too. Make can use as many threads as you can give it, until you max out your ram bandwidth.

[@Mutation666]

there are higher end Air that are as good as mid to lower AIO.

[@Mutation666]

intel or bust lawl fps gains are like 1 or 2 for an extra $400+

[@basalduat]

Amazing! These two men actually built a computer by "talking" about the computer parts. So, if you are blind and enjoy listening to two loquacious men tell you, and never actually "show" you. This is the video for you.

[@portcontech]

Wrong about soldered storage on apple. Never settle for 28 lanes.

[@SuperFriendBFG]

Actually, games are starting to use more and more cores. The standard for games on PC is 4 threads. There are a few rare exceptions (Skyrim uses a max of 2 threads). Battlefield 4 can use 8 threads (possibly even more).

[@Assassin-js1jp]

Say goodbye to 8GB RAM for gaming.

[@D3Barbaari]

21:40 "Mhphm, wait it sucks and blows?" x)

[@4rc-f145h]

The problem with Broadwell is quantum mechanics. Intel played with the doping in the silicon to make it work but it's still tough.

[@Tomoslb1]

Since the way this case is designed, would recommend flipping those rad fans to exhaust

[@xVern]

To push warm case air through the radiator? I guess it depends on what else you have running in the case.

[@MsHUGSaLOT]

I'm currently using a Intel i7-3820 (quad core 3.6ghz) it's the lowest end of the Sandy Bridge E. Asus P9X79 (X79 chipset) a 256gb Samsung SSD drive, and an old GeForce 550. You said in the video anyone on a Sandy Bridge E shouldn't upgrade to something like this, probably not since i don't have $2500 to spend on a whole new rig. But should I upgrade to a Ivy Bridge E perhaps? I already have plans to upgrade to a GeFroce 780, but i'd like to step up my CPU so if i shouldn't even bother with a Haswell-E should i just stick with my 4core i7-3820 and buy an XBox One? :)

[@luis39205]

So I'm putting together a build that can cater for 3D architectural renderings with some simulation type gaming. Upon seeing that the GTX 900 series will be revealed (or released?) in the EuroGamer Expo, surely it would be wise to let them come out and drive the prices for the 700 series down? Am I right in thinking this? Also would this be the same case for the Broadwell? I was already considering using Ivy-Bridge but would it be worth waiting for the Haswell series?

[@emf4kv]

Those are very impressive internals. 4:40 and falling asleep though. I am extremely interested in DDR4 RAM and new CPUs but you are rambling on just a little. We get that you took and older case and upgraded with new parts.

[@chris24hdez]

I'm so glad youtube has accelerated playback haha.

[@xVern]

And now i know why people talk crap about the youtube comments.

[@cdas6673]

Its funny that they talked about AMD vs Intel. I recently built a gaming machine and i was debating Intel vs AMD. Which one is "better?" I think the key to knowing which one is "better" depends on may factors, and it'll be different for each person. The two main factors are performance (which many people will claim is the only one needed to conclude witch one is better) and cost. IF money is not an issue, that is, IF someone doesnt care how much a machine will cost them, then Intel is the way to go because Intel's most expensive parts perform significantly better than anything AMD makes. the cost/performance ratio is a test of efficiency (bang for your buck). I found, when i was looking for parts to build a machine, that i could build an AMD machine that cost half as much as an equivalent Intel machine. My price range was $600 and below. I ended up spending $605 (after rebates) on my AMD machine. My build is this: MB- MSI 990FXa-GD65 CPU- AMD FX-8350 4.0 ghz (overclock up to 4.4); 4 core with HpTd (8 cpu) GPU- XFX R9 270X Double-D Black edition PSU- raidmax 630 watt (trust me, i know. dont tell me lol) Ram- 1 x 8gb DDR3 HDD- 1Tb seagate (only $50, so i got that instead of an SSD) Case- raidmax (idk what kind lol) for $45 On another note, i thought it was strange that he said the biggest bang for your buck is getting an SSD or a better GPU. This is because your CPU can bottleneck even the best GPU, and your MB can also bottleneck both the CPU and the GPU. So really, if you are getting a better GPU, you better already have a CPU and MB that wont throttle its capabilities. So, if you want to upgrade your system, it might end up being an entirely new system... On the topic of the SSD, the only place that *matters* to me ( as a gamer) is performance when playing a game. If a regular HDD will perform just as well as an SSD, i see no point. Sure, i might have longer loading screens and it'll take longer for my computer to boot or for my game to start up, but that isnt important. On the other hand, if i was doing video rendering, i would want an SSD because SSD's can handle rendering much more efficiently than regular HDD's.

[@YouGleIt]

Great video guys. I'm overwhelmed. If I'm going to do video editing, photo processing, is the 5930k or even the 5820k enough? would more memory be the important part and would ddr4 be best choice for these new x99 boards and Haswell-e ? how does spreading $ into video card balance out for these needs? thanks for your opinion. I'd love to keep the PC a few years. i don't think as a video editor i'd need overclocking? stability is probably best once you get to these speeds?

[@IgorSimic]

If I use m.2 pcie ssd on asus x99 deluxe do I stil have all 6 sata 6G ports on the first controller? I would like to have the m.2 ssd for the OS and two raid0 arrays of hdd's...

[@SproutyPottedPlant]

My PC upgrade cycle consists of a trip to the Apple store !

[@normalgoose656]

The video title should be "We bore you too death with our life stories". Not " PC building"

[@johnconnor5231]

"If you... want really low power consumption look at AMD"- Will Smith. Will that statement could not be more wrong

[@bartholomeusbelisari1865]

Nice in-depth talk, but perhaps next time more shots of the hardware? Not saying I dont like looking at you guys, but I personally get much more excited looking at the hardware. Show me those gorgeous slots and sticks and pins and .. mmmmhh

[@Finrecon1]

You should overclock the BCLK first to get better overclocks, because the Haswell-EP oc better with a BCLK of up to 150Mhz

[@c4ray]

I'm never been great at cable management, but Norm's PC is a rat's nest!

[@Questron71]

The Admiral Ackbar cover plate looks awesome... It's just... why is it a normal tested logo on there? It clearly should shout out "It's a Test!!!" to be Ackbar-thentic :D

[@johnconnor5231]

We need llyod case, that guy knows his shit

[@alipaulstagram]

The SSD in a 2014 macbook pro is not soldered in. You are linking of the RAM.

[@jacobhoss1416]

I kept hearing some dumbassery about Intel's release schedule. They always do an alternating schedule. They introduce a new architecture, then they shrink it. Ivy Bridge is the die shrink of Sandy Bridge. Haswell-E is the die shrink of Haswell. Broadwell will be a new architecture. Building computers for 24 years, eh?

[@DRINOMAN]

very informative, great work guys!

[@sethjones5250]

Could you give a complete parts list and prices for this build?

[@nickademuss42]

How do you guys think this compares to the Mac Pro? I know the over clocking isn't comparable, but the one you built is huge, as I get older I just want a small PC/Mac that just works with the minimum amount interaction with the OS...

[@gudenau]

I feel this would be good for virtualization as well.

[@MrSuperAbsinth]

how much longer is e-atx compared to atx? So does the asus x99 rampage v extreme fit in a Inwin d-frame without problem ( the inwin d-frame is rated for atx motherbords)?

[@jamesccox]

It has probably been mentioned, but you do not need water cooling for this cpu unless you are going with some kind of small form factor system or really extreme overclocking. In a larger case you have plenty of room for a large heat-pipe-based cooler. These perform almost as well as water coolers. Water coolers add another point of failure; water pumps are probably less reliable than a good quality fan and a water cooler has both a pump and a fan. I generally wouldn't bother water cooling a cpu. I would look at water cooling for running multiple gpus though. For gaming, you don't need this cpu at all. Most games are gpu limited, even at 1080p. Going higher res just puts more stress on the gpu. From the benchmarks I have seen, you do not take much of a significant performance hit (in most games) until you get back to a Core2Duo. Any of the Core i5 and I7 chips, even all the way back to the i7s with 3 digit numbers (860, 870, 920, etc) all do quite well. With Core2Duo, it may not even be the cpu core that is the limiting factor, it may be the slower DDR2 memory. From the discussion of AMD cpus in the comments, I wouldn't recommend any of the high-clocked AMD cpus, like the FX 9590. This is essentially an overclocked cpu, so the performance per watt is exceptionally bad. Many of the other AMD cpus will run a gaming machine fine since most games are not cpu limited. AMD also offers very good performance per dollar, so for a gaming machine on a budget, they are often a good deal. PCPer put a good video card in really low-end systems and still achieved good performance, so It is best to spend more on the gpu, and less on the cpu. The AMD cpus can claim to be 8 core since they have 8 almost independent integer cores. They only share a floating point unit between two cores. Intel's hyper-threading actually shares a lot more hardware between threads; some applications still perform better with HT disabled. The AMD 8-core (4 module) chips do much better on well threaded workloads, and sometimes even beat Intel competition for such applications. AMD will get a boost from Mantle enabled games and probably from DX12 also. Intel had no reason to push for DX12 because they lead in single thread performance. DX12 probably came about from Microsoft wanting more performance for xbox one, which has 8 completely independent cores, but low single thread performance. They are actually more like tablet or cell phone cores. The power budget is only around 150 watts, so most of that had to go for the gpu portion.

[@drackar]

On the subject of games and cores...There IS a new alpha game on steam that currently requires a quad core processor to play. So, at least someone's getting that idea into their heads.

[@kermit56780]

jargon aside, look back in 6-8 years & you'll find this guy is sat infront of an 486 equiv. true story. *save your money

[@Dreez76]

I run Win7 on a 120Gb SSD, takes my PC 5ish seconds to start up fully. Me counting OnethousandOne, OnethousandTwo... etc etc. i5 3570K. 16Gb DDR3 Ram, GTX660. I run Rift, Crysis 2 max-edi, and all new games i've tried on 1920*1028 in 60frames+ max settings. I paid 300$for the GTX660 2 years ago - well spent money.

[@Ericsimagination]

That cable management though Failfish.

[@B0GlES]

Two nerds trying to out-nerd eachother!

[@unrealeck]

I could have sworn DDR4 was *higher* latency. Maybe I am mistaken. I thought it was only higher bandwidth.

[@throwzpu]

im about to build a 5820 haswell system and wanted to get some 2666 rated ddr4 but noticed on the 5820 specs, it shows it only supports up to 2133 ddr4. should i just get the 2666 or stick with the specs of the 5820?

[@LudicFallacies]

5:13 No it's not worth it at all to go socket 2011 period unless you need the extra PCIe lanes for SLI/xfire or 4x lane M.2 SSD drives.

[@SproutyPottedPlant]

@2arnold888 So what colour solder mask are you going to use on home made motherboard? Purple would be good.

[@milesmetcalfe94]

would you guys consider doing a computer building video for 'noobs'? I understand what the different components are in a computer but I have no idea where to start with building my own from scratch with the way all of the components interact with each other. much love from The UK!!!

[@BeHempy]

GOD DAMN HOW ABOUT SOME CABLE MANAGEMENT!!! HAVE SOME SELF RESPECT

[@nathanstephenson7917]

What would be the best drive for that m.2 slot? what you chose in B key, or this, in M key and 4x lanes? Samsung XP941

[@mikehunt545]

For the money that went into that system you should have gotten a bigger case and a water loop.

[@JasonNolanIreland]

Great video guys and it's definitely given me thoughts for building my own system in the future. I edit wedding videos which involves a ton of footage and I often use noise reduction plugins which take forever to render. Maybe 4 hours for a 30 min sequence!

[@codym9883]

So I am going to be building a new computer probably roughly $1,500 total. Should I worry about getting the new motherboards to take advantage of DDR4 only have a crappy laptop but I do plan on keeping this new computer around for atleast 4 years.

[@SoggyWaffles785]

It's like they always want to be able to strangle someone with their cables if they ever need to. When will they learn? Spend 10 minutes to make your computer look 5 times as nice! Nothing aggravates me more!

[@Lyricon24]

I imagine people a hundred years in the future laughing at our 'revolutionary' technologies.

[@naamloos246_]

Dat mythbusters reference at the start.

[@ross123540]

PCIe for Mac Pro, would the PCIe card work that he is talking about?

[@fretingtopolice]

SSD is amazingly fast ,but when it fails you cannot recover your data ,so Back it Up on a platter folks please!!!!

[@andriyyrsulyan5419]

I think is the best cable managemant for ever

[@spitfire1x3]

Really low power consumption go with amd?????????? and if you're a gamer intel or bust?????? you guys don't know what you're talking about.

[@Jordan04101]

Both line of MacBooks have removable SSD sticks according to iFixit

[@killthemall55]

This really helps with. Games like arma big strategy games like rome 2. It drastically increases the performance on 64man bf3 as well compared to 4 core i5

[@genesisphoenix00]

one sec you can only disscus back and forth the knowledge you learned over the year, so the sli and crossfire rule hold true i don't think working together will yeild 45+ years of exp though

[@EasyDYITech]

Question, have any of you guys seen any Computer Builds that are using Peltier coolers for the cpu instead of water coolers?

[@jamesccox]

A peltier is not a full cooling solution. It consumes a lot of power by itself; one side gets really cold and the other gets really hot. You still need a water cooler to dissipate the heat into the air. Peltiers are mostly not worth it. You need to take steps to prevent condensation on the cold side and I don't think they handle hundreds of watts very well, which is why they are not used much anymore.

[@EasyDYITech]

Thanks James

[@75thibaut]

Tested What is the cpu cooler that they're using ? 'Cos I didn't understand...

[@manictiger]

I'm waiting for Broadwell before I build my next Enthusiast grade PC (skipped LGA2011, skipping LGA2011-3). Figure, Broadwell may be the last transistor CPU. It could take 8+ years trying to transition to quantum computing and an OS that runs on it and doesn't suck to use. And if not? Well, my LGA1366 will probably still need to be mothballed as a back up PC by the time of Broadwell.

[@usosaito.namahage]

You have the same PSU as me. One of the best I've ever owned.