*Tested* Skip the Turbo, the "Limited" 2023 Toyota Crown is the BEST one to get...

[@jxmar_]

Idk why but I love the 2.5L hybrid system. It’s so simple, reliable and relatively smooth for what it is.

[@naveenthemachine]

I do as well.

[@timothydevries383]

Yea.. it's not simple. Well engineered would be the right term.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@timothydevries383 mechanically it is simple. No torque converter or clutches and no real gears. No reverse gear either

[@ciello___8307]

@@timothydevries383 tim you are just blindly hating. The toyota hybrid system is robust and relatively simple.

[@ceciliaabdalla4954]

What are the downfalls of owning this hybrid car. What major maintenance would be needed. Can this crown get minimum 200k miles or more if taken care of?

[@Zconway98]

I purchased the Crown Limited 3 months ago. So far, it’s been absolutely amazing. I consistently get better gas mileage than projected. Usually I’m getting 48-54 mpg. The ride is very smooth, the advanced driver assistance and technology is spectacular, and the interior is sheer luxury. The seats are unbelievably comfortable which is really nice for longer drives. Overall, I love it and do not regret the purchase one bit. I also agree with Kirk, the limited trim is the way to go. I test drove both the limited and the platinum. While the platinum is faster, the fuel economy definitely suffers. The only big difference is that the platinum gets the automatic parking assist. I preferred the smoother, more fuel efficient limited trim.

[@gleanerman2195]

Just got the Platinum in grey and black, no way I would settle for the lower grades. I love this POWER.

[@baldheadlogic]

I like this Crown. I was hoping you could get the Limited tech package without those 21s. I feel like the ride will be smoother and tire replacement will be more reasonable with the standard 19 inch wheels.

[@oldsnwbrdr]

This is the one I want. The Limited is the only trim level that you can get an interior color other than tomb black. I would rather get >40mpg and 600 miles of range than the high performance version. A number of reviewers have complained about lack of driver’s seat headroom so that is a concern. I too wish this was a lift back.

[@rightlanehog3151]

The lack of driver's seat headroom is in keeping with the lack of passenger seat headroom in the back. 🤨Why couldn't they have lifted headroom 4 inches the way they lifted the seating position 4 inches? The design craze kicked off by the original sloping Mercedes CLS sedan in 2004 is still distorting the shape of sedans from their original practical mission. Is it any wonder practical people are forced into CUVs?

[@oldsnwbrdr]

@@rightlanehog3151 I’ve had the problem in a few Lexus cars too. My sense when sitting in them was that the seat could/should be able to go a few inches lower. That’s why I’m concerned with this car.

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@oldsnwbrdr Toyota New Global Architecture represents a lost generation for taller drivers.

[@NeoGee]

Kirk said he'd been getting 45-50 mpg

[@Bear_Arms]

Always having ample headroom and legroom in cars is one of the few benefits of being short, I speak from experience.

[@1northsparrow246]

Kirk, The XLE with a lower price, a little more sidewall for a smoother ride and sensible cloth upholstery seems like the most rational choice. Having said that, there is nothing rational about Toyota North America sending us this Crown instead of the 3 superior models shown at 0:17

[@KirkKreifels]

I agree this one we're getting is the LEAST desirable of the 4...

[@glloyd711]

Thank you for the coverage of the new Crown. Some will love it and others will be totally turned off by it. IMO it looks like it should be a replacement for the Venza not the Avalon. It makes me even happier that I bought the new 19 Avalon Limited. I'm hoping it gives me the same carefree service that my bought new 2000 XLS did. On a recent road trip with cruise set just above the speed limit I got over 34 mpg with one tankful getting 35.1 mpg on interstate driving. Not bad for a comfortable cruiser with 301 HP. As for the 2000 XLS, I passed it down to my granddaughter when I bought the 2019. It is still her daily driver and still only requires regular maintenance.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Let's see what Toyota has to offer when your Avalon Limited is due for replacement in 2038.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

I must say the gauge cluster and infotainment display are well executed. No cheap as hell two screens slapped on the dash.

[@naveenthemachine]

Yeah. I like the 12.3in mid but I personally love the 7inch mid setup from the Camry. I think all screen is overkill considering it doesn’t do much else (except the 3D gauge cluster on the genesis)

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@naveenthemachine Oh, definitely. I just meant how it's integrated in the dash like a normal gauge cluster. The 7 inch display goes very well with the mechanical gauges, it's very elegant. The Camry's is a bit more intense with the surrounds for the gauges and the Land Cruiser 300's is more flat, simple but effective. It even has a battery and oil gauge on the screen. 😂

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@naveenthemachine That said even though I don't like the full screen versions I still think Toyota did it best with the Tundra and Sequoia. Mercedes and BMW way overdo it with theirs.

[@junrosamura645]

Too bad Toyota is not on board with Apple's new Car play system. The one which allows you to customize your speedometer and see your car stats via the ODM.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Hello Kirk, I followed you over from your recent guest appearance on Toyota Jeff's channel. 🤩 I certainly agree the 41 mpg models will have a broader appeal. I really hope we get the Estate we saw in Japan to give the untouchable Outback some competition. I believe the Crown drivetrain is set up for Regular gas rather than the Premium we see on the Lexus side. Please correct me if I am wrong. 🤔

[@KirkKreifels]

Thanks for the follow! Jeff is great. You're correct about the mpg numbers being ran on regular as well as the HP numbers on regular. However the acceleration numbers toyota posted for these Crowns is on 91 octance.

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@KirkKreifels Thanks for the clarification. Of course an Outback with the Crown's Hybrid drivetrain would be a good second choice.

[@kalmmonke5037]

@@KirkKreifels will there be smaller wheels for effeincy , cost, and less rough ride? possibly change the housing area for more trunkspace for the rear wheel housing?

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

Wow great from Toyota to cool the wireless charger! They get very hot.

[@volcalstone]

So around $50K for this as shown trim? It's a nice car but things are sure getting more expensive. This should be more like $40K imo.

[@texan903]

For this vehicle, one might as well buy a Lexus. I don't think this will be a hit in the North American market. Toyota brought it here so they can charge the premium.

[@dano727]

Seems like a great touring car.

[@misterle7026]

It's has a face and back only a mother can love..

[@mars353]

I’ll wait to see how long it takes to actually get one and how much of a market adjustment is slapped on it by the dealers.

[@Szcza04]

Why not have a lift back as SUV are basically hatchbacks. That would’ve sealed the deal for ultimate sedan hatchback crossover thing.

[@Jedi_Order81]

This car intrigues me. I’d like to see the Limited in person and hopefully test drive it. It ticks a lot of my wish list boxes but I just wish it was a hatchback. I wonder how available it will even be considering the massive delays on the rest of Toyota’s lineup?

[@NatureQuest2024]

Imagine talking to yourself aloud while alone in the car! 😮

[@RichardJoashTan]

Not me, I prefer the Platinum Max.

[@alexnutcasio936]

I agree, give me Over 300 hp.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@alexnutcasio936 you can get 300hp in a Camry for a lot less

[@KirkKreifels]

Good thing they have different strokes for different folks.

[@gleanerman2195]

I love our Platinum gray and black two-tone, The lower grades would disappoint me.

[@gleanerman2195]

@@naveenthemachine You couldn't give me anything else Toyota makes.

[@darrenchan4594]

i still wish it is a hatchback.

[@christopherherrera8507]

Does anyone know when this will be released?

[@InvestBetter.]

5:28. The lovely groan of the CVT......

[@beefchuck]

Skip first year. Also, would like to fully see other variants

[@nazmulbhuiyan1982]

This one is called Toyota Crown Crossover in Asia. Is there any news if North America will get the sedan version of this car? There will be 4 different version of Crown in Asian market, and it would be sad if North America gets only the crossover version.

[@molethan6138]

The avalon, especially the last gen actually was a good looking sedan, this just looks like a generic crossover.

[@naveenthemachine]

As much as some loved to call the Avalon front end Charlie Chaplin mustache, I think it’s more attractive than the crown

[@matthewalexis]

True. Toyota shouldn't have killed the Avalon for this. This would've been a lot better as liftback.

[@texan903]

While the Avalon was actually stylish, attractive and elegant, this Crown looks more utilitarian and it commands a bit of a price premium over the Avalon. I think it's the marketing department at Toyota knowing customers will simply step up to a Lexus at this price point.

[@texan903]

@@chezzyperson3339 K8 looks cheap and overpriced, like it was.

[@ThePowersil]

Kirk, great review. Thank you. What do you think about this vs the Avalon limited hybrid in terms of ride quality, quietness, and interiors. Also is the moon roof shorter than usual on the front side? Trying to decide between the Avalon Limited Hybrid, Lexus ES300h and the crown. Reason crown is interesting is the awd, but want it to be as comfortable as Avalon or the ES. Thank you so much. Hope you'll reply with your opinion

[@grcigar9911]

For a Toyota sedan, pricing is way too high.

[@jmonte5899]

I would get it with the turbo. Not for the performance, but because if you drive on the highway a lot like I do, it is just so much smoother and easier on the engine getting up to highway speeds. I drove a GM car with the 3800 turbo and put over 300k miles on after getting it with 66k. I've had two similar non-turbo GM 3800 cars prior to and two since, and none of them saw, or will see 200k. The turbo GM got only one fewer MPG's than the non-turbo ones.

[@TheLostSeraph]

Eh...the Crown not being a liftback killed this car for me. A fully loaded gen 8 Camry XSE V6 does most of what the Crown Limited can do for 10k less MSRP.

[@ConfirmedPatriot]

If gas prices were lower, I'd consider getting the Platinum with a regular 6-speed tranny and the Hybrid MAX 2.4 motor.

[@sammyjammy6647]

Nothing here to want to make me move away from my Toyota RAV4 2021 XLE hybrid that weighs 3700 pounds

[@mannyrosario83]

I’m 6’3 wonder if I fit lol

[@ivankojnok815]

Kirk, does the Crown have auto steer on the highway? Basically where you can set the radar cruise and it will maintain speed, and steer the car on the highway without the driver needing to hold the steering wheel .

[@RobustArid379]

I like it, looks like a porsche and muscular model

[@ekgcanadianenthusiast9961]

The crown is a excellent vehicle and a class leader .❤👑. Excellent video kirk . Haters will always exist.

[@kalmmonke5037]

simping for cars that are not effceint like they can be for no good reason gets boring. i rather dream of ideals than dream about owning something like this

[@ekgcanadianenthusiast9961]

@@kalmmonke5037 well crown is excellent car and its sad that people like you talk like this.😂

[@kalmmonke5037]

@@ekgcanadianenthusiast9961 imagine if it was prius prime except you had rear seats facing the rear and small kei car engine charging electric motors with enough battery range for low cost of ownerhsip. solar shades to minimize heat buildup in hot parking lot for having comfortable tempurature quicker and minimize energy loss for battery driving range and battery lonegevity. privacy shades that let in light like toyota century. focus on hydrallic lotus like steering to give confidence of tire grip level to maintian speed without power around turns, to minimize regen brake use for more effinecy and battery longevity. theres much more to say...

[@xXreapergaaraxX]

Oh you're in Mississippi! I was thinking about getting the Platinum but The limited is more gas efficient.

[@ccc_sss_111]

Nice review. New feature Proactive Driving Assist is very natural to me; it could cover many careless human errors.

[@Tigerex966]

True but add many computer error.

[@justind8125]

Kind of on the fence on this car. Definitely the Limited seems like the best choice. But lacking features (heads up). Interior may not be the highest quality but that I’d have to see.

[@ludovicdjomo8909]

Hi Kirk. I have a question please. A few months ago, you reviewed the Toyota Camry Hybrid and you said that Toyota did a great job with the air condition system in the Camry, and that the cabin was freezing. But i want to know if the Toyota Crown Limited air condition system is as efficient as in the Camry. Does it cool down the cabin as weel as the Camry? Or the Camry is better in term of air condition. My choice is torn between the Camry and the Crown, but i will take the most freezing car. Thanks.

[@kangill2411]

So who's the target demographic for this?

[@KirkKreifels]

Avalon buyers? Lexus ES buyers?

[@chrisjmiller6]

@@KirkKreifels Exactly! Great looking car, but how many of your friends own a $50,000 sedan?? A Highlander Hybrid makes more sense for most people.

[@JC-gu5cf]

The photo angle in the made me think it was a Mazda 3, which already doesn't have enough headroom. Hopefully North America does get the Estate and Sport crowns

[@zahf6484]

Interior seems underwhelming for the price. The two-tone does not fit the personality at all of what this car is meant to be. Very big and heavy but doesn’t take advantage of the size and doesn’t seem any more practical than my IS 350. I know this car is meant for the older crowd which I understand with the quality slow smooth ride, but why does it have the color scheme of a hellcat? Lol idk Im just in the minority that doesn’t understand this car. 😅

[@coastalbeer]

I'm buying one for grandma!

[@The20ali20]

Why did you have your phone plugged in if it has wireless charging and wireless android auto/ apple car play. Was that just a personal choice or it is missing wireless android auto for example?

[@LeoTheShortGuy]

Welcome Back!!!

[@KirkKreifels]

You're back! 🎉🎉🎉

[@LeoTheShortGuy]

@@KirkKreifels KZbin had me banned for a longtime for corny dad jokes.

[@thejohnnerparty]

To me, the styling does not evoke CROWN. That is not necessarily a bad thing, but I see more of a CAMRY style competitor and maybe that is what Millennials want to see. I like the looks of it, but I just don't see a CROWN when I look at it.

[@Tonga2]

I like what I see, the price could put me out of purchasing one? I will wait to see “Cost” ?? I think I’d buy the limited BUT, 91 octane??? What’s that all about??

[@66ElCamino357]

What package is the facial recognition included in, the sensor on the steering wheel?

[@douglascohen2521]

We need the Cressida!

[@tinhinnh]

GH would look good on 21’s too. So I guess no cheap trims on flagship models 🙂

[@uknorlm1469]

Reminds me a of the Honda crosstour

[@RyanPerlmanCooks]

I just don’t know why someone would buy anything but the XLE grade of this. Just buy a Lexus ESh for this kind of price

[@adamnugent2137]

are these Crowns available in California? I have looked everywhere and it seems like none of the dealerships have them.

[@DrEarbuds]

it should have it's own new engine & Hybrid System

[@tonyw2167]

What a big miss that this does not come with a liftback….could have been a nice SUV alternative

[@rasheed226]

Why did my brain think this should be in Cyberpunk 2077

[@13noman1]

Is that fuel efficiency using regular grade fuel (87 Octane) or does it require higher grades?

[@edwardknight2823]

looks kinda like a maxima but better

[@Albertocarlis]

Lucky to live in a country where this wonder of automotive Japanese industry, comes year after year, is my opinion this brand doesn’t fit in America. Is like to try to adapt a ford mustang in Japan. The philosophy behind the real crown is exclusively to Japanese way of thinking, which is opposed to America’s. It is a sacrilege to bring such a unique brand to a society that doesn’t understand the value of this brand. The real Toyota Crown is not just a car. Is a blend of refinement , durability and luxury but on the interpretation of Japan philosophy. How many will consider buying a GT 500 made in China?. Every hands that touch that sheet metal,most be American,because there’s a vibes that comes from the love and pride of the guys who make this icon of American muscle. Same thing happening with the Crown. If you don’t understand what’s behind the Crown..? Is a very prestigious brand For all of that , I don’t think , this market idea will last. Just like the Supra Another Toyota Legend ,been misplaced.

[@lightning9279]

Toyota lost so many customers with the lower stance on the camerys.

[@hoellc]

If any of this is real then the fact that the “wagon” model doesn’t come to the US is a tragedy.

[@BlackNAVYAmericanVET]

Paris would say …..”That’s Hot !”

[@robertortiz8540]

While the Toyota Crown looks nice, I am still very happy with my 2020 Avalon XLE. I will not be changing my Avalon.

[@winningtrade3419]

Hi Kurt. Since you have driven both the 2023 Toyota Crown Limited and 2023 Lexus RX 350h by now, which one is quiet at 70 mph?

[@jml9550]

I test drove both. RXH is quieter.

[@chadhaire1711]

The Camry has same trunk room, same interior room, and same MPG, and $12,000 less.

[@destroyerofsimps6574]

Not as quiet though...

[@bengleckl1877]

They should of never put a cvt into the cheapest trim. It will push away alot of buyers ...not everyone can spend another 10 grand to just have a real automatic transmission .it might be a great vehicle but 50 grand?

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

I hope swapping the front Toyota badge for the Crown emblem will be an easy job.

[@psychdoc]

A review without covering the trunk is sorely incomplete!

[@ed4253]

When Toyota starts manufacturing vehicles again, see how this sells.

[@bbordelon2]

Good tech and bones, but lackluster interior and exterior design. Interior accoutrements lacking, minimal color selection, and trim dressings. I'll wait for the redesign of Lexus ES350 before I commit. Was hoping "The Crown" would live up to its moniker.

[@jpdoc5722]

Better than $40k Camry & ES-Lexus

[@stevenwolff6866]

I'd get a limited in heavy metal

[@jml9550]

Same here, with the standard 19” inches. Unfortunately my wife doesn’t like the Crown’s design, we bought a 24 Lexus NX350H instead.

[@positively_broad_st3780]

I like the interior, but not the exterior body type. Looks awkward...

[@rkgsd]

Another tall auto reviewer who makes no mention of what the front legroom is like. He just talks about the rear seat legroom.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

The Toyota two-motor planetary hybrid system also has been more efficient.... In the Camry LE it's rated for 52 MPG.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

Very modern looking! Kinda looks too similar to the Corolla, this car has lost a lot of characteristics that made it an iconic Crown. Times have changed...

[@appleseedmvp]

What you see here is gonna be in Lexus

[@jsfbay1]

If there is no HUD, there had *better* be a moving map on the instrument panel. Why would they leave a key safety item off of a top-of-the-line sedan? Dumb IMHO.

[@saadatkhan8273]

The crown we know is a sleek sedan dono what this weird segment of this car is

[@jml9550]

Sort of like the Volvo’s cross country or a Audi all road or a Subaru Outback.

[@liveoak7838]

Fisheye lens is distorting the shape of the car. Ruins it for me

[@RamSlow]

FAIL...should have used this opportunity to launch the crown name by going 100% electric. Would have been a guaranteed waitlist. For $50,000 I would get a Model 3. Or for $30,000 I will wait one year and get the 2023 Prius. This will just be like the Avalon the low volume niche market for senior citizens.

[@siwon66]

I have a feeling it won't sell well, not for the US market IMO.

[@ceciliaabdalla4954]

It is Japan built and great on gas. They need to lower price and come out with different bold colors. They need to put the crown emblem on the front. Do major advertising it will sell

[@Kiplevince]

I DON'T KNOW WHY SOME DECIDED THAT WE SHOULD KEEP RIGHT WHILE DRIVING,.... DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

[@MatrixDiscovery]

Not a real Crown. More like a lifted and upgraded Camry.

[@EpiCxWoundsx]

I cant decide if its ugly or beautiful lmao

[@floridadawg9857]

I Love Toyota's..... But NOT impessed with the styling of the body at all. 😐

[@rightlanehog3151]

What styling?

[@ronaldhitchings1847]

"My sources in Japan have said"...

[@Kaizen2013v]

Idk man. Looks too much like a Corolla.

[@alengreen589]

are the Americans really like this design? for me as a German it looks very ugly and i´m sure that this car with this design would have no chance in Europe.

[@InvestBetter.]

I don't see the value in the Crown Platinum. It's powerful, but not fast. It's heavy, but not a roomy crossover, which you can get more room with the same power for that price. It has little to no ground clearance. It has no cache, and Crown is not worth a damn as a brand in the US. For over $50k I can get better vehicles. Under $50k, the Crown makes sense. Over $50k, not so much

[@asmokingp3005]

Rather buy a lexus.

[@jml9550]

Sure, at least $10K more comparatively equipped on a ES300H and no AWD.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

not seeing the appeal of this vehicle. the front looks good. the rest, naw. reminds me of the accord cross tour. the doors look tiny, the side profile looks bloated.

[@Live.drones]

What a joke design. I’m not sure how you’re avoiding talking about how much of the feedback on this car is tepid, at best. But not you. I hope Toyota is paying you handsomely, because that’d at least explain your bias.

[@naveenthemachine]

There is nothing good about the crown. Even if you try very hard I own a Toyota Camry and I can’t find anything good to say about this crown.

[@ekgcanadianenthusiast9961]

So wade .just because you dont like it does that mean its not a good car .😂

[@aaronjaggan]

I have no money

[@romeropostali520]

This is the ugliest modern car I have ever seen.

[@alexnutcasio936]

Toyota Crown = Kia

[@spyderlogan4992]

The Crown does not have a power adjustable steering wheel. Meaning it doesn't synchronize with the seat settings. Big miss. The 'plastic side decoration/flare' is a design abomination, totally pointless. No HUD. Hood prop rods. The 'power delivery' animation is pathetic for 2023. Plastic wheel well trim looks cheap. The ONLY thing that is useful is the double jointed console arm rest. Not an upgrade from my 2021 Avalon Limited, even with the better gas mileage. IMHO.

[@audilonk2883]

not that impressed..... maybe actual driving instead looking at in the Utube.

[@mrsolotraveler8808]

I don't get it! I really don't understand the purpose of this vehicle.

[@ekgcanadianenthusiast9961]

Well its lifted sedan simple as that .😂. I will make this easy for you again . Its a lifted awd sedan/wagon .this is nothing new because this body style has existed forever .

[@linhunnicutt6556]

It needs power. 236 horsepower in that heavy car once you have three or four people isn’t enough especially with a CVT.

[@mrsolotraveler8808]

@@ekgcanadianenthusiast9961 Its a lifted sedan with very weird styling. Toyota vehicles are basic and boring, most Toyota owners are very conservative. Just don't see this selling well.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@mrsolotraveler8808 Toyota has some attractive sedans. Especially the Camry XSE 😍

[@mpiny]

disaster for city use

[@randy74989]

Its ugly, the frontend. So sorry, the Venza Limited is a better car for the money!