Testing the 1.1. Update and the New DLC - Planet Coaster 2 Update

[@TrickyPlaysGames]

The DLC isn't bad but the timing is. I've not even finished one of my first projects yet and was just happy with bug fixes and improvements. The negative response to the DLC overshadows the positives of the update.

[@AG7-MTM]

Cities: Skylines 2 avoided this by bundling their early content in Ultimate Edition - So why can't deluxe players also be paying for further DLC, especially the prepurchase ones?

[@Sycoinc]

price is a bit steep for how many things there arem 14.95AUD for 5 rides

[@JulianCamu]

@@AG7-MTMI don’t understand .. are you saying it should free with deluxe or not?

[@disneysydneyresortvirtual9264]

Same,but I don't rlly mind it because it's a ride pack. If it had been a scenery pack it would have bothered me more,because I have not nearly spent enough time with the new scenery.

[@personalalt317]

I think $10 for only 5 rides automatically qualifies it as a bad DLC.

[@Fredgeorge10]

I think Frontier made a choice not to make the water slides and flumes physics-based fairly early on in development as a cost/dev time cutting method and no amount of criticism from players will make them rethink that decision. The changes they have made are very slight animation changes and nothing more and expecting anything more is a waste of time IMO. I'm sure there's plenty of other things they could fix/work on that would lead to a much better player-experience at the end of the day. Either way, still haven't purchased this game and don't plan to do so until the game is in a much better shape with more content.

[@dufzyy]

Don’t you want to see loopydeloops in flumes ? Lol

[@mitchtellers2547]

Half true. It was an intentional design choice, but it's not impossible to add better flumes in the future. Any major rework wasn't going to be done within one month of launch. It's possible to add new types of flumes later that do use better physics, but it probably wouldn't be for several months from now. Even if they do, however, they still need to support the current slides, otherwise it will break everyone's existing parks and blueprints. So they might as well pretty-up the current flumes as much as possible before ditching them for something better.

[@samliedtke578]

I get the feeling that the development side of the planet coaster team is getting stretched past their limit by the side of frontier that wants to cash in on this game. None of these bugs are things developers with enough time couldn’t solve, but when you have an unrealistic deadline, you start having to cut corners.

[@0bvslychrissy]

I don't think the game engine is physics based, so they are doing their best to make it look a little less rigid

[@ThisSideUp12]

Which is wild because the coaster physics seem great to me

[@arentsteen5452]

Hahahaha not every pixel in the world needs to be simulated for this. Coasters have physics -> slides can have physics

[@arentsteen5452]

WE HAD PHYSICS IN 2000 FOR RCT3

[@bizarrealtispinax2747]

​@@arentsteen5452 Yeah, the difference is that back then it was easier because the pieces were premade; PlanCo2 needs to generate physics every time you create a flume, which is incredibly hard if you know anything about game development.

[@ethanshackleton]

@@ThisSideUp12Coasters are stuck to their rails, you only need to consider forwards and backwards, it’s pretty clear the slides are built off that framework given that it shows you the track whilst you’re building it.

[@imaginationsquare]

I've heard they fixed guest barriers too! I don't know for sure because I haven't had the chance to check yet, but I do know lapping works again:)

[@sveinsvein4372]

It works, but its different from PC1. We no longer use the black and yellow kerbs. Instead the fences seem to block guests. Both the fences I tried worked.

[@imaginationsquare]

@sveinsvein4372 I always used the fences, quite frankly I had no clue the kerbs also did this untill people started saying they didn't anymore in the new game lol, I'm plenty happy they got it to work with the new pathing, especially after they said at first it didn't work intentionally

[@M3DVSAgaming]

@@sveinsvein4372which fences?👀

[@sveinsvein4372]

@@M3DVSAgaming Dont remember their names. I think it was just named fence. One is a green "belt" fence usually used to make lines at an airport or like a cinema or something. The other one was metallic- white and orange. Looks like a fence they would use to block off an area of the road or something. Hope that helps. If not Ill check their names later!

[@briankale5977]

Linear Induction Motors vs Linear Synchronous Motors. LIM is like the throw power at it approach, easier to accomplish with rudimentary controllers, you're just shoving a chunk of metal with magnetic fields. While LSM is a more refined and timed precisely, the track and the vehicles have magnets on them that need to oppose each other at the right times. LIM you're also kinda "locked in" magnetically to travel at the same rate as the fields being generated by the system due to how that works, where LSM you could potentially sail through them and they just try to add energy if they can.

[@guerrillanoir]

No one should be spending $10USD on 5 rides for this game right now. It's offensive they even did this. They really need a reworked and simplified UI before anyone should be buying anything else.

[@smashinghappydays]

100%, if frontier do this one more time without fixing the fucking game I am done with it

[@Boofski]

Just buy it from a grey market key reseller. That way you can still enjoy the DLC without giving your money to frontier. Once they release a fairly priced DLC and the game isn’t completely broken they can take my money lol.

[@seriomarkj]

Aww man, sorry about the sick kid...im helping my 2 little ones work through RSV and it is rough!! Hope you guys get through it soon and get some ok sleep

[@LancerX916]

They still need to work on the slide exits. They are stopping at the pool and have no momentum. Looks like they are hitting a wall.

[@ladyk4940]

When you told your daughter to quiet down I realized I was listening to her like “she’s having so much fun, she must be adorable, wonder if she bi-lingual” all while ignoring YOU! 😂. Hope she feels better soon, you’re a wonderful Dad!

[@marcelahrens9024]

With the Vision Ride, it works in a long way. after the first Test round, the cars of Vision Ride will fill up the full curcle

[@Red_Ryan_Red]

I think I noticed that near the end of the video.

[@Bigazzham]

One thing everyone overlooked is if you use the higher flume sides, the guest will actually ride higher on slide banks. I don't mind slides now they are a lot better.

[@cyrilmdltn8801]

I have some fears for the future of the game. And this DLC decision...kinda show the acual mindset of Frontier at the moment. And the 2 new flat rides, wth are those physics? Who would step in the 450? I love the way you express yourself about the matter btw 🤣, I'm beginning to have less patience about how all of this. Thanks For sharing all of it with us Rudy. ♥️

[@mattcrazy7070]

releasing DLC hardly 1 month after a choppy release, shows their true greed. 2 dollars per ride, and the base game isnt even fixed

[@Joseph-J-]

From a technical perspective the flumes are just rollercoasters. That’s why they appear to be ‘on rails’ - they literally are, but all that is just hidden. There are physics calculations, but they are not modelled using object-based physics interactions, which is why they don’t react correctly as they move around in the tubes - it’s just baked animations picked from the results of the calculations, not actually simulated. That’s why they look terrible, and that’s why, even with the next release where they can ‘derail’ (again, like coasters do if you don’t finish the track) they won’t look any better. It’s really disappointing.

[@RudiRennkamel]

Unfortunately I think you are right

[@rosariobono438]

So reuse the code from the seven dwarves coaster or bobsled or arrow suspended coaster to get to look right

[@michaelknead]

They are a small studio and need cash, let‘s hope they are not bought by some huge company and can continue working on this with passion. I am happy to buy every dlc.

[@cr4ftwork]

800 employees is not "small"

[@flaffstar_99]

Thanks for the honesty as always! Omg, the support pieces being conpletely scalable is a game changer. I have a special thing in mind for that....

[@hollieirish3600]

Being honest...I rode one of those spinning coasters and was soooooooooo sick before it ended. It was embarassing to me as I didn't expect it. lol.

[@Gubbkirk]

Thank you for a great look Rudi, this made my finally buy the game. And really don't worry about your daughter, it's wholesome and so human!

[@PrenticeJones-fh2ew]

I need an easier way to build. I want the half sized walls to attach to a building without me having to eyeball it in the spot.

[@fempi]

Yesss! First I thought I had some setting wrong with all the options for alignment but I have not found a way to make them stick to the grid which would be such a useful function!

[@mattyperry1633]

They are not grid based objects so won't align with the grid

[@JSXSProductions]

26:18 - Linear Induction Motors. They're magnetic launch systems like LSMs, but more energy-intensive, so they're not as popular these days.

[@RudiRennkamel]

Ahhh so I was not wrong for once

[@Onoitsbroko]

The UI change so far is so nice!!! I only played for about 20 minutes this morning and it such an improvement. I literally haven't played much since launch because the UI was so bad! 😭

[@erintheeggsalad5263]

I don't ususally get motion sickness from PC videos, but that coaster was rough. Thanks for posting the overview!

[@Nomolso_Netinei_Djer]

Gute Besserung an das junge Rennkamel im Hintergrund❤😅

[@RudiRennkamel]

Geb ich weiter, es pennt schon :P

[@stille1446]

14:41 wer kennts nicht ❤ dieses "Hmmmn" und es geht gleich laut weiter 😂

[@RudiRennkamel]

Hahaha

[@stille1446]

Had the same thing in various meetings during covid. My Kids were well know among my colleagues

[@Thijmen0808]

What is that guest flying at 6:22 LOL

[@savage.f1796]

LMAO

[@scratchfeachers]

right mouse click exits the most top game function. It's an escape button to whatever menu you have opened

[@goysplayground]

I think that the physics are weird because it isnt what they fully wanted, i have a feeling they wanted to give the players a limited acces of the better physics because some people were complaing a lot about the physics + i dont think it was originally planned for this update. Love the update and dlc tho!

[@Palaber]

OMG WHEN do they implement water physics? The most important thing is water physics. I mean it doesn’t have to be the best. But a semi solution would be the best to start with

[@mitchtellers2547]

Not a month after launch, lmao. Adding the proper physics requires a total rework of the flumes, and that would take _several_ months from now to complete. Work on something else in the meantime if it's that big a dealbreaker.

[@Kaneanite]

Yeah, this isn't an update. It's a day 0 early access patch before they get to the day 1 launch update.

[@Kehlchen75]

Danke für die Zusammenfassung & gute Besserung an die Kleine 🤧🍀

[@jadawngriffis3745]

20:52 Why can't we control the time of day with more precision like we could in planco 1 and Planet Zoo? Wtf

[@RudiRennkamel]

I have no idea...

[@pwcorgi2000]

Although the dlc rides are okay (I guess) I don't want the 2nd PC team to get sloppy and continue offering these subpar dlc's.

[@upsidedown_]

Tbh the price for the DLC is just to high, also weird calling it a thrill seekers pack with only 1 thrill coaster, they could have added in a rmc raptor and maybe a vekoma STC to make it more worth, I am happy though we finally have some new modern family coasters in the game but we still miss so many classic coaster rides We still need a zierer tivoli, so common in real life but not in the game, a proper powered coaster, a mack wild mouse, a old vekoma junior coaster, suspended family coaster, gerstlauer bobsled, alot more family coaster that need to get added

[@imaginationsquare]

2:50 dude this slide would unironically not even work safely in real life 😂 this is physics doing physics to the extent that it is possible on this layout lol

[@RudiRennkamel]

Well but still glued to one side weirdly

[@imaginationsquare]

@@RudiRennkamel I wouldn't be surprised if they add the flying out behavior that the guests would be flying out here, no offense of course Rudi, your layout makes total sense in it's environment, but even with higher edges, I feel like this slide would give you some actual and very literal airtime! It's honestly pretty fast

[@Empress_Lisanne]

Hi to the minicamel! (Also Momcamel and Babycamel)

[@shadowthehero3140]

Thank you for the information about the great first update💪👍 Good improvements, but does Shift+Mouse still not work as multi-select???? A quick word about the first ride pack... What kind of compilation is that for the first pack??? Really weak, who was waiting for such unknown rides? Unfortunately they aren't pretty either... And 5 are far too few for 10 €🫣. The first packs in particular should have been hits, Frontier knows what everyone is waiting for, I don't understand that, I won't buy it and have actually always bought them all (Planco1)... Would have expected 8-10 at this price, especially Little Venezian Carousel, Rocktopus, Flying Shark, Break Dancer, Condor Instamin Coaster etc... And I'm hoping for a Family Ride and Coaster pack!!! Western or Pirate Themes with shops, vendor machines? There is so much that is finished. In Planco and Planet Zoo alone we have 50 of them...🤔 And please give us some backstage props, like from Planet Zoo, and a few cars for the parking lots...😍

[@forsak3nbacon]

6:17 guest slingshot near the centre chairlifts

[@RudiRennkamel]

No idea what's causing it haha

[@lush_wav]

the slides are going to look fantastic once they unflatten the bottom. Looks like they’re working on exactly that, given how the inner tubes rotate up and down too

[@RagonTheHitman]

I can't stop laughing that those greddy sob's want to sell me a DLC now :D They really can stick it. I would never ever pay Frontier one cent for anything. Where are my 1000 bugfixes to get a playable "game" and not only a lego builder? my billboards, custom sounds, custom music, custom video walls, *list goes on forever*

[@timtrickz92]

I’d also like to see them update the Waterslide rider cam. But it is great they are actively working on improving everything!

[@meekondastreets]

i found it fine before the update, now im getting really bad screen tearing riding the flumes

[@imlewisblackman]

The update was free and they’re fixing everything we mention! Let’s give Frontier a break! The game looks amazing, I’ll be playing on console when I finally update my console!

[@LetsSmiley]

I thought so too at first but I am kind of sick of game companies being let off the hook for crap initial releases. And that goes for every game. I give indie games more leeway but Frontier isnt indie. More like AA and at that point you have to have solid QA and player expectation modelling.

[@ulycination978]

Too much $ for too little stuff. For the fist time I will pass on a DLC for a Planet game.

[@Lightguardian_HOH]

Shut up their trying

[@NaevisVibin]

6:14 why did those people go flying randomly on the bottom left near the square pool?

[@meekondastreets]

i didn't see that the first time lol

[@Aramar5]

I'm glad about the fixes, but I'm passing on this DLC.

[@GuusTijssenFilms]

Is it me or does the people mover have a fully loaded track at 30:58?

[@GuusTijssenFilms]

And he tells us at 37:00 nothing to see here folks.

[@RudiRennkamel]

Yeah I saw that too. Magic.

[@PMV87]

yeah, at 24:16 it still has the gap and thats probably the last time in video to be seen.

[@caffeinezx4490]

It’s crazy they dropped DLC so soon. There were so many bugs to fix on launch, which was only a month ago! They should have put it out for free to deluxe edition owners and not create a whole new ‘premium’ edition.

[@aransweeting969]

go to 6:10 and look at the bottom edge of the top left pool ahahahahaha people are launching into the sky when they try to get out of the water 😂

[@imlewisblackman]

I just noticed this! 🤣🤣

[@aransweeting969]

@ must be some of the code sneaking in for when the guests flying off the slides😂😂😂

[@PMV87]

♥ thank you for the overview

[@RawketSushi]

What is still insane to me is why the raft slides have flat bottoms. Obviously proper momentum would be the best but even though it isn't perfect, the motion with the body slides is honestly reasonable, so I cannot fathom why the raft slides don't just work like that. It doesn't matter to me how believable the behavior is if they aren't even proper water slides to begin with. I simply don't want to use the water park features until they're fixed. Not even out of protest but simply because I'm just not interested in using them in their current state. Which sucks because, when they were first announced, I was so excited about them. And as for the DLC, I was having fun with the game so far even with all the bugs, and there were plenty, but the game was not launch ready. It was totally broken in so many ways and yet they pushed it out charged the price of a full release. I'm not interested in saying "give them a break they're working on it" because "working on it" is what you do before the full release. And I understand tiny little fringe bugs get through sometimes and need to be patched but these weren't tiny little fringe bugs. These were glaring issues. To push this out in an unfinished state and ask people to pay full price is already shameful, but I was willing to put up with the jank to play with the new features. But to then release an overpriced DLC out of nowhere alongside an update that gets the game a little closer to being launch ready? To slightly improve on an unfinished game that you've already charged a full release price for, and then have the gall to ask for more money? Scumbag behavior. As far as I'm concerned, frontier has gone ahead and dragged their own name through the mud and are gonna have to do some major course corrections to get me to have faith that they actually care about their fans again.

[@cyber2526]

vector is vekoma =D

[@RudiRennkamel]

Ah too easy

[@megaplexXxHD]

in my opinion the double station promised a lot but unfortunately is to limiting :/ imagine a coaster station just long enough to fit 1 train with 4 cars. now you need to link up an entrance queue, a priority queue + another path for the staff gate. they should allow us to place it on the other side or even plance it on the exit station. for a duelling coaster with double station youd need to link up 6 paths while somehow trying to then cover that all up with a station building and themeing, basically taking up soooooooo much space it isnt even fun anymore. other than that i see some major bugs were fixed for me with the "free" update. really happy about that and hope they keep going :) the dlc im not even gonna start to rant about 😂

[@AG7-MTM]

540 swing & unicoaster - ok dlc rides Strike ride - EXCELLENT dlc ride Ultra spinner & lim family launch - terrible idea to make dlc (who decided prepurchase players, especially deluxe, would still have to buy all but 1 dlc from now on?)

[@1DisneyfanVR]

I am just happy this update is available, it got more people to come to my slides

[@j_7630]

14:47 Deutschhh

[@motiefofficial3583]

Let's be real. Gamers also have a tendency to complain.. Oh planco 2 was so bad on launch, how dare they releasing a game in this state (which was fair for the state we got the game in). Now a lot of fixes to QoL have been made, there is less to complain. Instead of addressing the positives, people start complaining about the optional paid DLC and mention nothing about the improvements that have been made. Paid DLC at launch is a bit iffy. However.. people play CoD etc. A $110 base game vault edition and people buy skin packs like there is no tomorrow. It gets so much hate from the community, yet everyone keeps buying skins and vault editions every single year. This is where the problem lies. We can complain about companies all day long, if we keep buying, the companies keep doing it. Complaining is not the sollution, changing your own consumer behavior is. Personally, im fine with the $10 for 2 new coasters and a couple of flat rides. Should they have been in the base game? perhaps. I think the deluxe edition should have been base game and this dlc could be the price it is. But over at frontier they have decided this was the way to go. Remember companies have shareholders and people that want to see money. I firmly believe the development team behind planet coaster2 is a team of passion. Their aim is not to bleed us dry, but higher up choices get made. These choices once again, wont be influenced by attacking the dev team and their product.. these get influenced by gamers making wiser consumer choices and not destroying a dev team by complaining the entire time like they are entitled children.

[@matt64allison]

Unless it’s a bug from what I’ve seen if you have load & unload stations you can then only have a max of 2 trains which kinda defeats the point of having the 2 stations in the first place

[@RudiRennkamel]

Also with block section?

[@matt64allison]

@ when I selected block section the option to select number of trains disappeared, only the option to change number of cars. I could only get 2 trains with standard

[@starryagent9936]

@@matt64allisonI made a multidimension coaster with five trains that used the load/unload stations. So not sure what your problem is

[@aaronroberts12567]

I think, they should have just been like "We're working hard on your issues and bugs, here are 5 new things to play with in the meantime"

[@Boofski]

1:15 wondering when they are going to fix that annoying ghosting (look at the dummy’s feet)

[@starlordmixtape1576]

The default color of the flume is purple because it is your daughter's favorite color.

[@RudiRennkamel]

It is!

[@southrex1963]

LIM = Linear Induction Motor and LSM = Linear Synchronization Motor.

[@Gaylor_]

Schwarzkopf Shuttle Loop still not operational

[@RudiRennkamel]

Really? Eek

[@Gaylor_]

@RudiRennkamel Yeah, we can build a launch section but not like OG Shuttle Loop (flywheel launch or weight drop launch) it's a kind of launch like this on Psyké Underground and the train doesn't go on the rear spike) I don't know if I am understandable

[@OfficialBluemonke]

I think they are unfortunately going to go down this route as they have started now, where it kind of looks physics based but is just a combination of preset things that look decent for slides. A shame to see but I’m sure it will still look better over time

[@deekaycuvillier6339]

already built one, def can invert

[@RudiRennkamel]

ah nice!

[@MattFowlerBTR]

I am not buying any DLCs for PC2 until it stops crashing on me. Yesterday, it crashed when I was trying TO SAVE manually - and that was with the new update. I think releasing the DLC now is terrible optics, they should have held it back until more base bugs get fixed.

[@JulianCamu]

Bro can you start doing time stamps?

[@cr4ftwork]

at the end of the video you can hear in the voice of rudi that he wants to say so much (bad) things about the new politics of Frontier but he cant cause he is a ambassador of PC since years .... feels bad cause you see the bad response of the players at the moment .... and btw you can read the situation in the studio at the moment cause they already lowered the price after 1 month of release Oo

[@RudiRennkamel]

No I'm just speechless. As I'm supposedly dropped as ambassador anyways there is no reason why I would. I just can't find the right words

[@George-k8l3e]

Thanks for the forecast! Could you help me with something unrelated: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). Could you explain how to move them to Binance?

[@RudiRennkamel]

I guess chatGPT can help 😅 I'm using coinbase

[@JoshB333]

The flumes are all too fast

[@HARMONTY100]

I still dont find the new slide physics realistic. Ive been on many of these tube slides like at the beginning and I have never seen anyone turn around completely or even be anything but straight ahead

[@themeparkplanet3210]

they did make it so the omni mover doesnt stop anymore

[@smashinghappydays]

rudi was too real for frontier lol, wtf is going on at their studio - this dlc announcement, while so many parts of the game are broken or underwhelming af, is a joke

[@shanedixon232]

I legit don't care about physics and the looks an the quality of life stuff. Have they fixed the actual park management?? The mechanics fixing rides and infrastructure quickly enough. The cleaners actually cleaning bins and bathrooms etc. Guests getting stuck on paths because they can't get past a flume but could go around the pool. I spend the majority of the game chasing this up which is so frustrating!

[@Okaypions]

They need to stop making the water coaster slide spin it’s not realistic

[@hfbdbsijenbd]

Planet Coaster 2 is starting to remind me a lot of Cities Skylines 2. And I'm not talking about gameplay.

[@bulletboy159]

That dlc should be in the base game or should be free, just like 3 extra themes like western ,fantasy and another one. At the end of the ride a 40 or 50$ game will cost 250+ which is a scam in my eyes!

[@justaguycommenting]

Absolutely disgusting they have the audacity to charge money for 5 rides in this DLC one month after the game released in the state that it did!

[@mitchtellers2547]

I think it's foolish for anyone to have assumed that Frontier would be able to completely overhaul the water park flumes _1 month after launch._ What this update does in the meantime is to pretty up the current flumes, and make them a bit nicer. But what's needed is a complete overhaul... which will not happen for several months at minimum. Sorry to burst the bubble of everyone complaining about the current flumes, but that's just reality.

[@mans1164]

I just need swing launches.....

[@LucaVincelli]

Called it about the dlc

[@Patrick73]

Too many issues after this update, crashes when going to main menu, crashes when going to settings. Trybcopying path textures and see another bug, empty notifications and so much more. It's a bug fest.

[@boines]

1$ + per ride is crazy. Not much added in dlc. Also patch doesn't fix certain guests issues still booo.

[@Hinkel84]

So you finally got access?

[@RudiRennkamel]

Well as everyone eh

[@sebi8348]

I am very disappointed in the developers. From the start there is a bug that all triggerable objects go into loop mode as soon as they are saved in a blueprint. The problem exists with every roller coaster from the workshop. It wasn't even fixed in the new update, that's just embarrassing.

[@rushtest4echo737]

Completely done with this grift they call a complete game. Enjoy your trickle of DLC over the next 12-18 months that will finally complete the incomplete mess that this game is. I may continue to play/consume youtube content because I love theme park sims, but they're not getting another dime from me until they complete the base game and fix all of the many inadequacies and bugs.

[@sebi8348]

agree

[@paffin917]

For the algorithm

[@majorw9526]

🤩🤩🤩🤩

[@MetalBoozie]

Releasing a DLC in the absolutely buggy and unfinished state of the game shows impressively how little the studio cares about the players. PlaCo 2 is an early access game that was released as finished only to be able to sell completely overpriced DLCs to rip off customers even more! For me, the game, and therefore Frontiers, has put itself in a position where they won't get another cent from me. This also applies to future games. Too bad.

[@-TvB-]

i find planet coaster 2 very disappointing so far. the game is very stripped down compared to PC1. even the switch tracks do not work as desired. it is not possible to rebuild a Toutatis from park Astrix.

[@starryagent9936]

Watch a POV of Thirteen from Alton Towers. That’s the switch track they’ve implemented. The FAST switch track on Toutatis will probably be its own piece when the blitz enters the game.

[@marcomeyer]

DLC: Why don't you say it as it is? It is a lame ripp-off. Thanks for nothing.

[@deekaycuvillier6339]

OG

[@sclurpsclurp]

Aaand PC2 is uninstalled.

[@opossum633]

This Frontier-move is just a punch and a very bad joke with this unfunny dlc. Will not support them