Testing the GTX 1650 Without PCIe Power, Still Pointless at 75W?

[@frankneugebauer6455]

Here in Germany the GTX 1650 costs 160€ A cheaper RX 570 (130€) plus a BeQuiet System Power 9 400W (40€) is 170€ Even when upgrading an old Office-PC, the 1650 makes no sense at all, imho. 🤷

[@railshot888]

That Nvidia card is still okay for people with garbage PC and don't know how to build a PC. Or is braindead so they feel they have to support Nvidia

[@frankneugebauer6455]

@@railshot888 Yeah I know, changing your power-supply is no fun. Especially if the cable management is a mess. But would you really like to keep and run a many years old weak and unknown OEM-Power-Supply? If you can get a new and solid power-supply plus a better Rx 570 for the same price? Honestly? But I got your point. A lot of people are too anxious to open their PC at all.

[@vsaucepog7829]

@RISEUP Gamer i wouldnt recommend rx 550 to anyone,its pretty sheeet

[@julians5037]

There are even three 8 GB models for under 140€: the Sapphire Lite, the XFX RS XXX and the ASROCK Phantom Gaming D on mindfactory. The cheapest 4 GB model costs under 120€ and it has even five star rating...

[@vsaucepog7829]

@RISEUP Gamer well depends on what you call a shit pc

[@unojustaj3562]

Negative? Don't be apologetic for your empirical conclusions. Fanboys will always be butthurt no matter what.

[@unojustaj3562]

@Stalker 90 I don't know about that. I think any type of fanboyism is an illogical and emotional tether. I have a PC, a Mac, etc. I just use what best fits my needs and budget.

[@Hardwareunboxed]

That's true, it's basically science at this point 😂

[@S2Tubes]

I don't think anyone was arguing it was worth it at that price, but then neither was the 1050 Ti. Compared to the 1050 Ti though, this is a worthwhile upgrade, and if you don't want to replace your entire OEM system, but still want something more powerful than a 1050 Ti, this is it. It needs three things. ITX size, LP size, and a price cut.

[@hansbehrends438]

Thank you Mr. Spock! We need more people like you.

[@LmgWarThunder]

@@S2Tubes But if you're gonna upgrade from a 1050 ti, why not get the cheaper and better rx 570?

[@JarrodsTech]

Crushed coke can is so accurate for some of them 😂😂

[@HisNameIsRobertPaulson01]

I busted out when he said that lol

[@twistednemo]

It wasn't a crushed coke can... It was a cleanly cut coke can.

[@carlwells9504]

We need the crushed tinny test- which beer tackles the highest tdp?

[@SinnedToy]

"If you're a mad scientist that'd overclock a gaming chair..." bwahaha!

[@SDAspra]

To make any sense, the 1650 needs to be a LOW PROFILE card, not just 6-pin-less!!

[@polentusmax6100]

No, it need to be a standart 75w, all with 6 pins, with the option to overclock for those who have a 6 pin conector. So everybody is happy

[@tuanseattle]

also single slot while at that. basically replace the form factor of 1030 !

[@rvrx2004ify]

Yes! the most powerful ssf and or single slot gpu would be a much better value...

[@vipast6262]

I agree %100, in order for this card to be completely relevant to people for purchase, a low profile version , no 6pin would be one of the better niche markets for this design. Systems like the Dell Optiplex 790, small form factors with older Core i5s and i7s , would a perfect match. Right now my rebuilds have to consist of 1050 or 1050ti as they are the only components that will fit, that will meet the small power supply requirements and singleslot, low profile. AMD has nothing in that category right now that comes close. Also like others have said, when you are dealing with some of these proprietary case designs , from some manufacturers you can't just slap in a cost effective replacement for parts. I think the 1650 will have a place, if they focus on the power and space saving features of the card. I also noticed that you didn't mention that it did beat out the rx570 on fortnite, which is interesting since all my old school rebuild to play games are geared towards all the kids who play fortnite.

[@vipast6262]

@@Zorro33313 unfortunately AMD isn't putting enough pressure on Nvidia to make that price change yet.

[@JamisDuanne]

If only Nvidia launched it at $100

[@ryanx9777]

Would be perfect

[@jayruka1977]

Yup, at $100 it would be the perfect budget card.. and with a low profile edition even more so

[@wajeehullah2843]

@Stalker 90 good luck getting a brand new 8gb GPU for $90

[@wajeehullah2843]

@Stalker 90 yeah no doubt the 580 is a good card... Just commenting on you saying you wouldnt buy this card for $90 due to the 4gigs vram when there's no card on the market that has 8gig vram brand new for that price.

[@nahush6299]

@Stalker 90 Dude....suppose this card sells at $90 how the hell can u expect it to get ultra textures while at $90 it can be considered only as an entry lvl card.If u expect cards lik this to be at $90 & get 60fps ultra textures then why do u even need high end cards?$gb is the min now and not 8gb lmao.Right now this card is worse value but if it is sold at $90 then this is gonna be a great entry level card.And here ur saying u need a 8gb vram card for $90 xD.

[@RulesofEntertainment]

pointless at any level. tested this against the rx 570 yesterday. my rx 570 cost £124 and the gtx 1650 cost me £150. rx 570 won every time. nvidia ripping budget gamers off

[@Tallnerdyguy]

People gonna argue for their repurposed dells dont have psu to support external pcie power

[@banana_rat96]

I mean, for a card without a need for extra pcie power connector, that's pretty impressive I'd say, also for it to be a sucessor to the 750tis and 1050tis as gpus without pcie connectors, the improvement of this card is pretty underwhelming. But overall, I dont think this card needs to be bashed THAT much, its just that the improvement is a bit underwheming, but its still the fastest gpu without any extra pcie connector, unless amd decides to make a move.

[@scottcampbell2707]

It is quite amazing how the value of the RX 570 has varied since its launch. There was a time when it was almost the worst value card out there due to its high price.

[@salemgiath8150]

A man of culture You clearly don’t get why it’s getting bashed.. The problem is that its underwhelming improvements are priced HIGHER than either 1050(110$) or 1050ti(140$) in MSRP.. Yes it wouldn’t deserve that much bashing IF it was 110$.

[@banana_rat96]

@@salemgiath8150 I do get why it's getting bashed, the improvements were underwhelming, but I just thought it shouldnt be bashed THAT much, why would you say that I dont get it?

[@The_Noticer.]

The 75W models can be slapped into some surplus workstation or office PC for a cheap gaming rig. That's the benefit all these models have. And in that regard, it is much faster than the previous 75W models. It won't be particularly interesting for new OEM systems, as they already charge a premium for assembly etc.

[@gaunterodimm3606]

Some OEMs use proprietary PSU and motherboard pin outs so swapping the PSU is not an option in some cases and a small, low power graphics card is the only upgrade with out getting another system.

[@esbenrasmussen4289]

Yes - I made the same comment - I am suprised how few people seem to know this - I have 2 Haswell systems I got for free and they can now for the first time have decent GPU performance - So I can donate them to someone who hasn't got the money for a new build, then they can get a gaming pc for $150.... What is it with all these people getting so flustered over a gpu?!?!?

[@FirstLast-ge4yd]

there are countless $10 power "adaptor" cables you can buy to convert a 24-pin psu power cable, to a proprietary OEM 14-pin out one on most OEM motherboards.

[@sambaker9217]

So basically just get a rx570!

[@shaneeslick]

& a new power supply for the same price Woohoo!

[@sambaker9217]

@@shaneeslick Throw in some RGB fans and lighting strips as well!

[@12Burton24]

@@shaneeslick You wont get a good PSU and a RX 570 for the same price.

[@kevinvanneste2500]

@@12Burton24 definitely better than a Dell's optiplex!

[@trueheart5666]

someonesomewhere used rx 570 will do.

[@aaronporter2180]

180 for that one 1650 is absurd that is in range of an 8gb rx580

[@beanshady]

That's what I was thinking too. I've seen many sales for rx580 8gb models falling in the $180-200 range. Hell I even picked up a MSI rx580 V1 blower style card for $165 after rebate during the holidays for a system I built for my nephew. So for a 1650 costing $180, that's an absolute ludicrous price. And for people who say blower style cards are louder, they may be but I didn't notice the card noise getting louder than the case fans in the moderately priced mini-tower case I placed it in even during firestrike testing. Yes the rx580 requires more power, but I got a Rosewill 550 full modular psu for $55 while on sale and that can support greater graphics cards if I ever decide to upgrade my nephew's graphics in the future. And that rx580 came with two free games which he loves (I chose DMC5 and Division2 for him).

[@mycroft77]

Something else I don't see anyone mentioning is that the 1650 has a Volta based NVENC chip. So you don't get the Turing encoding performance benefits when encoding video. Not sure I get the point of doing that, but it's what Nvidia decided to do.

[@Hardwareunboxed]

That's the least crap thing about it ;) But a valid point all the same!

[@PainterVierax]

The video decoding is the reason why I defended the GT1030 DDR4 when people said it's useless : it's overpriced but it's sufficient for an home theatre PC and allows you more cheap upgrade options than relying on an iGPU. Here by not upgrading to the Turing NVENC, Nvidia just add another bad point for potential buyers.

[@meladath5181]

Saves them money, duh. Why else would a company give you a worse product? cause they have millions sitting on shelves and need to get rid of them.

[@mycroft77]

@@Hardwareunboxed Nvidia did clarify that while it has the Volta NVENC, it has the Turing NVDEC. So decoding = Turing. Encoding = Volta. Confusion = maximum.

[@Melwasul94]

I suppose the 1650 will sell a lot in the OEM market being the most powerful GPU without extra power.

[@Verpal]

Yeah, grab a 150buck renewed prebuilt, and grab a 1650, and voila, you get a very capable system.

[@railshot888]

Agree this card is perfect for people with garbage pcs.

[@Verpal]

@@railshot888 Frankly, an CPU such as I5 2400 is still very capable of pushing enough frame to 1650, the main reason why the cpu is still consider weak is when newer instruction set is use in game then the performance will take a nosedive.

[@Tallnerdyguy]

@@Verpal for the 150, buy a 570 AND a $45 psu

[@m_sedziwoj]

@@railshot888 yeah, even is cheaper to by better PCS and have better performance, and it not kill others component (garbage PCS kill few things in my PC before I understand it was with it problem, not with other hardware, not only my case know more people with similar situation)

[@Najvalsa]

It's basically an only option GPU. That if you can only use a PCIe powered GPU. Otherwise, get a 570.

[@Tallnerdyguy]

For the same price, buy 570 AND psu.

[@m_sedziwoj]

If is only option, change PCS, is better option in long run, because you will you it for more years then others components.

[@SoKette]

@@Tallnerdyguy Except if you're using a Dell computer with a proprietary form power supply. But yeah if you have any other option, don't buy this card :D

[@shaynegadsden]

@@SoKette you just use the Molex to pcie power adapter

[@flamingarsenal7897]

Shayne Gadsden dell doesn’t have molex only the amount of connectors that it needs when built so no extra connectors

[@Logical]

I love that this doesn't need a power connector and it's so small. Fits perfectly in the trashcan.

[@Fina1Ragnarok]

The argument I've seen people using for the 1650 over the rx570 is that you don't need a psu for it. The thing is though, you can buy a decent PSU and the 570 for around the same price as just the 1650, less if you find a 570 on sale.

[@jukahri]

And of course a good PSU will last you 8+ years and for a lot more than just this one system, so it's well worth it.

[@Dracossaint]

I agree the GTX 1650 is dumb. But some motherboards use pripority conncetors or pin outs on their motherboard with older oem boards/machienes. Which is a common budget option for people. That's the one bit I can see this card working and tbch and only if RX 560 isn't cheaper by half 0r a used 1050 ti.

[@TheRevolucas]

Then just get a PCI-E power connector. They make SATA to PCI-E connectors or Molex to PCI-E.

[@PookaBot]

I'm not sure about now but some office PCs etc are part proprietary. My parents' old Dell didn't have a psu I could replace easily. But that's probably the exception now.

[@Fina1Ragnarok]

@@PookaBot Yeah, another thing you gotta look out for is on some prebuilt "Office tier" PCs, they don't conform to proper PCI-E standards. The standard calls for 75w slots but I've seen Dells with 35w or even 25w limited slots.

[@MadIIMike]

As for OEM Candidates: I'd guess something with a 2nd - 4th Gen i5 from HP/Dell etc. as well as Xeon Systems like the Dell T110. However, you can usually get away with just using Sata or 4 pin to pcie adapters unless it has a complete garbage PSU.

[@C4CH3S]

Second and third Gen I5s are bottlenecks in some games. I would go for 4th and over tbh

[@MadIIMike]

@@C4CH3S There really wasn't much difference between 2.3 and 4 iirc.

[@danman9847]

MadIIMike 3 and 4 no difference its like 6 percent

[@HitMarkersAreFun]

The problem with the way people are approaching this issue isn't the price comparison of an OEM pc, plus a 570 , plus a replacement psu. The issue is when these systems are bought and under what situation. II'd say that many people are not going out and buying these cheap OEM pre-builts with the idea of getting a cheap gaming rig. They buy them because they need something cheap to do homework, projects, productivity on. It isn't until a good while later that a gfx card is bought, maybe as a gift, or maybe because the owner's kids finally bugged mom and dad enough to do an upgrade because of some game on pc. At that point, since a cheap OEM was bought to begin with, a cheap upgrade is also going to be done usually with least amount of effort, a simple drop in with a well known brand. This is how I first got into pc gaming years ago. We already had a game console(ps1), so I was good for games. But I needed sometihng for college courses, so we bought a cheap-o Dell optiplex(or whatever Dell called it at the time). It was until a year or so later I discovered a game on PC that I wanted, but couldn't get it on the ps1 and we weren't about to buy a new game console either. So we did the cheapest route, we bought a decent gfx card that didnt' require an extrenal power connector, believe it was a 64MB EVGA card at the time(think it was back in 2005 or 2006, somewhere in there) and wahlah, for about $100, I was able to play pc games and at the time I really was a noob about building pcs, so we COULD have gotten a new psu and a better gpu, but this is what we did, and based upon this experience, I suspect that this is what many people would do too.

[@johntotten4872]

Using logic on the internet +1

[@HitMarkersAreFun]

@@johntotten4872 thanks

[@DennisRamberg]

In Sweden, companies usually throw out HP Elitedesk or Dell Optiplex computers for bargain prices. I have found a i5 4670 (non-k version) with 16GB of 1600MHz DDR3 for 100$. There is of course the "small form factor" versions that use non-standard power supply form factors and low profile PCI-e slots. But yeah even on towers I have seen OEMs using non-standard 24-pin ATX motherboard connectors (rendering power dupply upgrades outside of the OEM replacement program impossible). Buying a used system like this, smacking in a GTX 1650, and you are actually good to go for decent 1080p gaming at the grand total of 260-300$. It's not for everyone, but we shouldn't underestimate how big the OEM market is, and how "hassle free" a GPU upgrade like this would be. However, I still think that these cards should be low profile compatible, like the MSI GTX1050Ti Dual Fan LP, or similar Zotac cards. Because then they fit into most OEM on the market.

[@maidul97]

Did you get these computers from IT-Auktion if I might ask?

[@DashRay19]

If you're planning on running further tests with the 75w model of the 1650, you should run current benchmarks with the RX 560 to see which 75w card is better to get in 2019.

[@proesterchen]

At this point, I'm halfway convinced the 1650 is underpowered even as a paperweight. Maybe it Is useful as a kitchen knife? Toilet paper holder? A jack for your RC car?

[@shaneeslick]

Only a Jack for an Electric R/C car not a Nitro, Oh & a Kitchen Knife is out of the question because it doesn't cut the mustard : )

[@flighted2513]

use old cpus as box cutters

[@shaneeslick]

@@flighted2513 I got given some old Core 2 Duo 1.xGHz duds from a friend, I've been practising Delidding techniques with them

[@WickedRibbon]

On the plus side, at least we have a new wave of respect for the RX 570.

[@vinyfiny2019]

Might actually be worth the money if someone made a single slot or half height version.

[@Sitharii]

I don't understand why you focus only to the OEM builds. As i commented at another video , when i first started to familiarize with PCs , i was clueless about how to use power supplies , so i remember how easy it was for me when i decided to upgrade my system back then , by simply putting a GPU with no external power (*from a TNT2 Ultra to a GeForce4 MX440). This was my first ever attempt to temper with the hardware inside a pc , and back then i had no idea how temper with a power supply. So for myself it was an incredible convenience back then to use a GPU with no external power requirement , and i feel that this is the greatest advantage of the GTX1650.Very easy to be used from a total beginner who just begins to familiarize with the PC-hardware area.

[@orriblecol6587]

But you tube was probably not around like it is now so it would be easier now i believe

[@Steellmor]

So basically this is preying on costumer ignorance?Yeah,way to go Nvidia!

[@Sitharii]

@@Steellmor yeah , but i was also ignorant , and i have to say that i greatly appreciated this kind of convenience back then.

[@Sitharii]

@@orriblecol6587 indeed , nowadays it should be much easier , but still a lot of beginners might choose such a product for this reason.

[@vitez198]

I feel like Nvidia is like "Indian scam tech support"

[@screes620]

Some of the Dell prebuilts you can't swap the PSU with an ATX because the motherboard has some sort of proprietary power connectors. There are also use cases for ultra low power SFF PC's with external bricks and Pico PSU's.

[@0101_root]

Thanks for all the content Steve, also can you make a revisit video to the other lower end RX 500 series cards like the 550 or the 560, i am really curious how they perform in 2019.

[@damientalrose553]

We have several computers here where I work that don't have a video card, and their power supplies don't have room to add anything. Typically these systems are Dells, with something like an i7-3770, with 8-16GB ram. I think a lot of "enterprise" level computers that people might get from companies that upgrade their computers would find one of these 1650s working quite nicely inside. An example system would be: Dell Optiplex 9010.

[@AndreiNeacsu]

These cards are NOT suitable for pre-built systems that don't have any 6-pin PCIe power connectors. Most Dell Tower motherboards have a 35W limit, while Dell SFFs have a 25W limit. Asking for a smaller form-factor variant of the GTX 1650 is just asking for trouble. I am sad that most reviewers did not mention this aspect and kept insisting on "good for pre-built systems" and "you get away without a 6-pin connector". As for pre-built systems, just get a 6-pin adapter from SATA/Molex. If needed also get a SATA/Molex splitter.

[@themmmeanone]

“Most Dell Tower motherboards” which ones? From 10 years ago?

[@TheChris2470]

I appreciate you going out of your way to review the 75W version. My PC is an old prebuilt HPE-515t with no 6 pin connectors that I've been looking to upgrade the graphics on for awhile. I don't have the budget to build a full gaming PC so, while I admit my rig isn't the best, it certainly can improve from a card like this. I was going to get a 1050ti, but considering that the 1650 outperforms it for less cost, I don't see why I shouldn't get one with my $150 budget. If there's anything better that doesn't require me to upgrade power supply as well, please let me know. I'm certainly not an expert on this kind of thing. When I upgraded RAM I had to contact a friend to explain how to install it to me lol. P.S. I completely agree with you that the 6-pin version has no excuse to be as bad as it is compared to the competition

[@CaptainMumpitz]

"yay, says everybody." this one cracked me up :B

[@NoWay1969]

You can get an old Dell i7 Optiplex for less than $200 (American money, shipped) on eBay, pop a 1050 ti or now a GTX 1650 in it, and have a quite decent 1080p gaming machine. You can likewise buy the same i7-2600/3770/4770 system and a power supply and put up to a GTX 1070 in it, but the cost is greater. You can sometimes find a decent power supply for around $30 bucks but you have to look pretty hard. It's just a stupid easy solution to throw a PCI-powered card in an old office machine. An i-5 2400 I don't think will bottleneck a 1050 ti, maybe it will with a 1650 but I doubt an i7-2600 would. Are there any games that a 1050 ti/i7-2600 just won't run at playable frame rates at 1080p? And remember you're talking $300-350 dollars all in.

[@katnerd-Glen]

Why do I think Dr. Lisa Su is in her office somewhere laughing maniacally right now....

[@jamieammar6131]

Not really. Nvidia doesn't care. They put Volta Nvenc instead of Turing inside the 1650, so pretty much Nvidia wants people to buy their higher tier cards. 1650 will dominate the notebook sector, and even though 570 is a better choice in discrete, 1650 is going to outsell that too.

[@Silvar55x]

I picture her with just a slight hint of a smile, trying to keep a straight face. Corporate decorum, you know.

[@Torenbos]

3 years ago i build a multimedia streaming pc for in my living room. It only contained a celeron G3900 processor a small SSD and 4 Gigs of RAM, but the system was very capable of what it had to do: browse the web and play 1080p video's on my tv much better than most smart tv's at the time. The whole case needed to fit on my stereo amplifier under the tv so the case had to be low profile. Last year I decided to upgrade the system for some casual gaming and installed a 4560 processor and the gti 1050 Ti low profile. This was a great combination and quite effective for my low profile needs. The low power usaged really helped to keep the system small, cool and quiet in a cramped space. A 1650 Ti low profile card could be a great option for someone who would want to build a similar low power low profile budget system, but only if the price of the model is going to be right.

[@Torenbos]

Nowadays i would probably just go for a system based around a Ryzen 5 2600 for 150 euro's and won't need a GPU at all.

[@ChaidirChalaf]

My RX 570 barely reach 100 watts when undervolted.

[@ChaidirChalaf]

@Magnus Rasmussen 1050 mV and 1280 MHZ

[@jmv2015]

would still need a power pin connector which is the big selling point of this type of GPU's, the lack of it.

[@cpanja]

Mine is running at 975mv and 1285mhz core. Consumes 95 to 105watts.

[@Xale-yt]

Same here, running 1300 mhz core @ 1000 mv w/ 1900 mhz memory Keep in mind that 100 watts consumption is only for the gpu core, board and fans would probably add ~20-30 watts.

[@cpanja]

@@Xale-yt Nice one. Infact i have 1 profile set at 1000mv and 1300mhz and another at 1075mv with 1400mhz core. Regarding memory i didnt notice any particular gains overclocking just the memory. So my memory speeds are stock. Mine is a 4gb Sapphire pulse model though. And i agree about the extra 20-30watt thing.

[@philipcooper8297]

Why would OC'ing such card with no extra 6/8 pin damage your motherboard? It's not like the BIOS would allow for more than 75W through that very PCIe x16 slot anyway. On the other side of the equation, even if the card let you really push it, it would power starve and either crash or underclock itself based on the current temperature and power delivery.

[@rupertcornelius5276]

I feel and see that you love what you do, which is great! I also see how much work and effort you put into it! I really hope that it pays off for you! I wish you all the best and that you can make a good living out of it. I am German but I prefer your channel over others because you are so motivated and passionate about what you do. Moreover, I have to say that your reviews are of high quality and expertise.

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Thanks mate, much appreciated! 👍

[@WildkatPhoto]

Last year I bought two 1050Ti GPUs for two different systems and I bought them specifically because they dint need external power. One went in an old Dell XPS that had a 350w PSU. I didn't feel like I could risk an RX570 with any kind of gaming load and at the time the 1050Ti was by far the best 75W GPU. The other one went in a system I was trying to make as quiet as possible while still being able to game. The best balance between low heat and high performance seemed to be the 1050Ti and it allowed me to make a nearly silent system at the cost of some detail. In both cases, 1080p 60fps High was the top end goal for the games and the majority of games were low demand. I could see replacing the 1050Tis in those two systems for one of these 75w 1650s. So I for one appreciate what Nvidia has done with these.

[@TiagoMorbusSa]

"This card is good because it can be used with a crappy power supply unit!" "You shouldn't skimp on your power supply unit!" These two things don't go hand in hand.

[@pacifistduck9615]

@The Raddest Scorpion If these guys have a crappy power supply, a new graphics card should be sitting in bottom of their to-do list.

[@markwilson7013]

This lower power requirements of the 1650 has me wondering. Sure Turing is more efficient than Polaris, no one would argue against that, but how much so in real terms (just for interest)? Is it possible to underclock Polaris to a point were its pulling a similar amount of power (or total system power equivalent), and then test it to see what performance that leaves the card with? Sure it'll be beaten by the newer Turing card but think it would be an interesting visual reminder of what performance per watt looks like. I appreciate you can probably do this mathematically I.e. normalize on lower power card and extrapolate from there, but where is the fun in that? 😊

[@1armbiker]

I don’t think it’s quite as simple as that (doing it purely mathematically) due to the voltage curves of different architectures and how games would handle it, but it would be pretty neat to see.

[@alexusman]

Do a RX570 undervolting to the level of 1650 power consumption. I bet it will be faster even after that.

[@snetmotnosrorb3946]

Underclocking is also needed, but it would still be faster as Polaris 10 is a much bigger chip. Polaris is very power efficient at lower clock speeds.

[@LAGWARgamingcentral]

When it comes to prebuilds. You do have those odd systems with a proprietary mobo power cable. I believe some Dell optiplexes has those. Though im going to make a point: You can use a second power supply. Get a 35-50$ PSU (depending in rebates) and place it externally. Tuck the PCIe cable or cables through one of the slots for expansion cards and plug into the GPU. Hide the external ATX PSU behind the machine. Its not gonna be pretty, but its an old prebuild it isnt going to be pretty anyway. There is nothing wrong with running an external PSU, and if you are scared to drop something into it, just lay it on its side. Would love to see this explored in a video. -best of regards from the LTT Forum buildguide community (Not affiliated with LMG in any way)

[@DriftsteinAutos]

Knowing that a pure PCIe only GPU can provide performance like this nowadays is actually amazing!

[@DriftsteinAutos]

@Stalker 90 You are replying to a guy who uses RTX... But, that doesn't remove the fact that the performance for them is becoming better!

[@DriftsteinAutos]

@Stalker 90 You also have to bear in mind that there are people out there who are power and heat conscious about their builds - however niche that is. The fact that you just assumed so many irrelevant things and labelling them as "not gamers" just makes you look like a sweaty neckbeard who spends 95% of their life on Steam, so please change the way you comment to things.

[@DriftsteinAutos]

@Stalker 90 Go ahead and use your i9-7980XE, NVLinked Titan RTX rig. I'm just a waste of time for you to reply. Enjoy your day 👍

[@benhur2806]

@@DriftsteinAutos bUt mAh iNtErNeT pOiNtZ (yes, im very bored)

[@DriftsteinAutos]

@@benhur2806 Hi very bored 😹 Yeah I'm also bored at my lunch break rn 😒

[@jeremygregorio7472]

Don't some of the old Dells switch power wires around so that if you hook up a standard power supply you'll fry the board? Or did they finally stop doing that?

[@MsModestyBlaise]

I was looking at the 1650 for its NVENC ability. It turns out that Nvidia has delivered ANOTHER low blow and NOT put in Turing NVENC but instead opted for the old and significantly worse Volta NVENC. No more Nvidia! I’ve had enough of your dodgy over priced rubbish!

[@psionx1]

Volta has 2x nvenc chips so it can encode/decode faster then Turing believe it or not. that said turing has tensor cores for de-noising.but as long as your not using shadow play you have the ability to use filters like deathray/ FFT3DGPU/KNLMeansCL to get the same if not better quality. it will take some tinkering with settings but once setup you won't need to mess with it.

[@hankblah]

Hi Steve, One area to look out for is for those ultra mini pc build We're talking about STX or NUC or thin-min ITX build where they use notebook power brick for entire system power consumption. My own PC is rocking Gigabyte H81TN with Xeon 1245v3 with 16GB DDR3 using a 2.3 L case. (Morex 557) Right now I have a RX570 hooked up externally via the onboard PCI-E 4x bus. And the power supply issue is making this graphic card not easily portable. (I had to use external 220W power brick to power the GPU)

[@kostasbezaitis2695]

The only thing the 1650 has for itself is that it's the fastest GPU not requiring any external PSU. That alone, makes me believe that it will sell better than the 1660.

[@miltosboul3804]

I just got a gtx 1650 with 1 fan and I cant play because it says that I need a PCI-e cable

[@ioanpaulpirau]

I have a SFF pc at home, these computers use small psu's and GPUs that do not have external power connectors. Currently I have a 1050ti in it and will stick to it :-)

[@ioanpaulpirau]

btw, last year I checked what is the strongest GPU that you can put in a SFF computer and the 1050Ti was it, AMD had no comparable (performance wise) card. Now, I guess that the 1650Ti will be it (when it's out in the next weeks/months). So if you want to stick with a SFF and want the best possible GPU in it 1650Ti will make sense on those limitations alone. But unless it brings at least a 33 - 50% performance increase overall I think it's worth keeping the money and waiting a couple more years..

[@ubbgn]

Should be 100$ and thats the problem! PS: Those gigabyte look so cheap!

[@joeykeilholz925]

Backplate 😡

[@PookaBot]

Well it doesn't exactly need an advanced cooler.

[@ubbgn]

@@joeykeilholz925 Really?

[@TomJones-wi4nh]

I was almost to the point of picking one up but a few of the reviews commented that the fan sounded like a leaf blower, only louder. Was that noticed during your testing?

[@Pasquizle]

in AU you can buy a 650 watt 80+ gold psu and an RX 570 for the same price of a GTX 1650

[@H31MU7]

only problem is that price is over 200 USD haha

[@IosifStalinsendsyoutoGulag]

Good luck when that crappy PSU will go boom...

[@themmmeanone]

Does make sense for me, with a tiny TB3 PCIE box that does not have a power pcie power cable. I use it as an external GPU box, with my MBP 13 inch(no discrete GPU) while traveling, where space and weight are precious. Previous using a 1050 ti. Considering buying it after some price drop.

[@mtgenthusiast1168]

This card should have been sold at 100-120 dollars/euros max in my opinion then it would have been worth considering.

[@MrYedige]

I think this only makes sense in super niche scenario. I believe that there are systems with proprietary motherboards that don’t have standard 24 pin connector and the actual form factor of the psu itself is quite different, like it’s not a normal size or whatever so you can’t install a different psu because the space is only for that proprietary psu. I think Lenovo with their sandy/ivy bridge based Think Centres pulled that shit out so you order psus only from them. That’s the only scenario where gtx 1650 makes sense.

[@Mandrag0ras]

The size of the bigger one is inexcusable.

[@TheNoe123212321]

Would you say a selling point of these would be that it would be receiving updates long after the rx570 stops getting them? Would this make a difference?

[@pyromisery1638]

Gtx 750 ti and gtx 1050 ti succeed but 1650 dead on arrival

[@wizzgamer]

1050ti did at first but now it’s pointless as it’s also priced £10 more than the RX 570 and is significantly weaker.

[@C3lloman]

Well the 1650 is about a 30% improvement over 1050 Ti for the same price, not sure it was realistic to expect more.

[@wizzgamer]

C3lloman Exactly these are priced higher because they don’t need 6 pin power connectors so they can easily be installed in oem machines which is what they are made for. The problem is keeping in with this generation board partners have designed their versions poorly for this purpose with the majority actually requiring a 6-pin connector and even being triple slot which defeats the entire purpose of these cards. Which is small form factor and no pci pin required.

[@Shipprofile08]

I had a prebuilt machine back in 2013. It came with an AMD Athlon X4 640 CPU, a bioware motherboard, 8 GBs of RAM, 32-bit windows 7 OS (because you know, OEMs are stupid) and a 400 watt power supply for $200. Of course, that CPU didn't have an iGPU, so we had to buy a video card for it. We went with a Radeon HD 6770 for $110 at the time. The system worked really good, exept that the PSU went out 2 years later. I bought a Rosewell 450W power supply for $40 and its been running strong ever since. I use a different computer now, but that PSU is still used in my recording computer for youtube. Point is, don't trust OEMs PSUs. They are built like crap and can damage you hardware since most of them don't have protection built into them!

[@spets21]

if only this cards sell for 80 to 100$ instead of 150$ this would be useful for a low budget build. but meh nvidia!

[@spets21]

@Stalker 90 True, that!

[@nesttea2239]

I would only get it for my travel-ready SSF build which is bound by size and power draw. But i would need a low-profile variant.

[@shaneeslick]

Did you see the EVGA single fan tear down on Gamers Nexus, it's a 3 slot like their GTX1660Ti

[@udoderunformige1250]

Like, really? That's the argument of the 1650 supporters? "You don't need a 6-Pin PCIe cable"? Well, Then buy a PSU with one or get some SATA/Molex to PCIe adapters and get a RX 570. 🤷‍♂️

[@forza1sra]

But then they whine about the 50 extra cents per year it would cost them to run the rx 570. No really, I was genuinely arguing with a guy over this.

[@jamieammar6131]

They are saying nothing wrong. It is still the fastest LP card out there. True, no point buying it if someone is building a system from the scratch on a tight budget. But Nvidia are not dumb, they know the market. Let's say you got an used OEM PC for like 200 bucks on eBay. Just buy this GPU ..plug and play without changing anything inside.

[@meladath5181]

@@jamieammar6131 >Let's say you got an used OEM PC for like 200 bucks on eBay. Just buy this GPU ..plug and play without changing anything inside. And anything you played would run like total shit because a $200 OEM PC will most likely have some pentium shit or something terrible like that.... You would be spending almost as much on the shit gpu than on the entire rest of the system, which is also shit. Doubt it would run anything more than League, CS Go or DOTA at playable rates....

[@esbenrasmussen4289]

Udo der Unförmige I think you should read up on the SATA specification. What you propose would likely end in tears and smoke. SATA is specced a lot lower than MOLEX in regard to powerdraw so that is not an option, you would run a real risk of starting a fire or at least destroying your computer. I have heard 2 such instances in 2 the last 2 months on a very small danish forum, so it happens quite regularly and predictably.... And what are you talking about "the 1650 supporters" are they a cohesive faction who have conspired against you????? You talk about them as if they are a group that have somehow wronged you - Why do you care if some guy somewhere said that he liked a gpu???? How can you even have an emotional reaction to that - please I am dying to know, if you can enlighten me, I find your comment utterly fascinating.... "Like, really?" You sound so upset, have you ever thought about not letting that side of you make decisions?

[@jamieammar6131]

@@meladath5181 Yeah watch Bitwit's GTX 1650 video. He bought an used Dell OEM PC for $150, which included a quad core Core i5 3450, 8GB RAM, 750GB of HDD. Plugged a 1650 and played pretty much all the games minus the AAA titles in over 60fps easy. I'm not dumb lol

[@Plasros]

Love your videos mate, great work!

[@irishgiant5150]

It's a bad card with a niche use case. The use case is real, I've certainly added pcie slot only gpus to systems before, it's important if you believe in controlling e waste. That being said, it's still overpriced.

[@zadkin3490]

@hardwareunboxed I got to buy a used HP Elitedesk 800 G2 (i5-6500, 8Gb 2133Mhz) from work for $20 and I am looking at trying to get a low profile 1650 (preferably Ti once they come out). The 800's custom PSU cables (and form factor) doesnt allow for changing its PSU either. I agree with 1650 being too expensive for its performance, but they are the only one to offer video cards for my need, so nvidia can set such a price. Cool that you actually ordered an OEM system, looking forward to see if the card is bottlenecked by the cpu. Keep up the great work!

[@kronik73]

So we can safely assume that any reviewer that recommends this card is 'working with' NVIDIA? PC gamer gave this a 75% review score, hmmm

[@jonathonrosalia9345]

Dell optiplex 7040 MT is my vote for a test is one of my favorite computers and I have a EVGA 1050ti in mine and swapping out the power is hard because it’s 240 watts power supply and it’s 8pin not 24 pin into the board so you need a janky adapter to use a normal power supply and I have tried twice and got 2 bad ones that just don’t work on it so I would say slot powered cards have a small market but we do need them. That doesn’t make me a supporter of this 1650 I’m sticking with my 1050ti for now.

[@445588997]

Steve 3 days in a row! I miss Tim already :p

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Slacker needs to do some work :D haha you'll see him tomorrow.

[@BMXaster]

Is the 75W on PCIe power limit really a thing ? For OEMs, of course. But for the enduser, I really think you could pull easily 100 Watts throught the PCIe Powerpins. I mean I powermodded so many GPUs already, including the PCIe Shunt resistors, and the mainboards and graphicscards are all still perfectly fine. Would love seeing you guys investigating in this. Have a nice weekend

[@oTecx]

The reason i have a 1050 Ti currently (MSI GTX 1050 Ti GT OC, stuck it in my new pc i build awaiting navi card release) was because my previous pc was indeed a rubbish prebuild medion pc with a custom mobo that only supported a 14 pin motherboard cable and i could not find a PSU nor a 14 to 20/24 pin adapter anywhere so i had stick with my low quality 350W PSU and rely on a 75W card with no external power connection since i didn't have any.

[@PainterVierax]

With a bit of retroengineering, you might have been able to create an adapter by scavenging the 14pin male connector from the proprietary PSU. I bet their design just uses less ground and voltage redundant pins but keeps the same 3.3, 5, 12 and -12 V outputs and the control pins from the ATX standard to keep cost-efficiency during the PSU manufacturing process.

[@takehirolol5962]

In Costa Rica we have a bunch of multinational companies that auction their older i3 and i5 Dell and HP desktops since once these enter the country these stay there. The used market has a lot of these and this GPU fulfills the purpose.

[@zewaTris]

I think if they bring out a low profile version, that would be a niche in which the gtx 1650 would be the best option. For a small form factor build with low tdp, since cooling is more complicated Compact gaming pc get more and more popular and a low profile case with an decent oem psu in combination with the gtx 1650 would be a great budget option. Throw in a cheap ryzen 3 and you have your cheap portable machine, that can also fit in the living room while beeing capable of running modern games in high @1080p

[@magottyk]

SFF with space for a two slot card (riser mounted) exist, so you aren't limited to low profile under powered GPU's.

[@zewaTris]

@@magottyk surely, but they are often more expansive. Even a node 202 cost like 70-80€ Low profile cases start at like 30€ or 50€ with psu. So while the full expansion slots are more potent, they are also more expansive. Thats why I made the point for budget sff builds

[@magottyk]

@@zewaTris You can get cube style cases fairly cheap, but if your budget doesn't stretch to get the right case, then it probably won't stretch to get an overpriced and underperforming GPU. SFF covers quite a lot of ground with case design and not restricted to mini itx or slimline micro ATX. The slimline style quite often can be modded and with a riser cable you aren't stuck at 90° insertion for the GPU, quite often old slimline cases can be modded this way with a shorter full height card. So even budget SFF don't have to be constrained by the limitations of the case designs intended end use, besides whoever said that the GPU has to be installed inside the case.

[@puretrack06]

What about rx560 4gb? Everybody wants to harp on the fact 1650 doesn't have a power cable, can we get a comparison to the MSI RX 560 Aero ITX OC 4gb ?

[@agelosmata]

joke of the day : driver cd included in the box ?

[@mailman87120]

No Kidding. I tore the box apart looking for the damn thing.

[@meemadd6397]

dude ,you so thorough in your testing !!!!, i love that lol. but i think you dropped the ball kinda here. the 1650 SHOULD ONLY BE TESTED AGAINST OTHER CARDS THAT HAVE NO POWER CONNECTOR. really sorry for caps but i had to make my point seen.sorry if that makes all your initial testing pointless lol .tell me you didnt think the same thing once you got the card without the power connector? lol. damn thats gotta sting ,sorry man lol. again, this card should only be compared to cards with no power connector,comparing it to the 1660 was not a fair comparison.

[@WayStedYou]

I would rather buy the worst version of a 1660 instead of a 1650. You would be better off buying a 570 for less money + adding a new case and PSU on the cheap or find a case that can remove the PSU

[@twiztidsidfreak13]

I have the MSI base 1650 with no power plug for my son's system, it replaced a 1050 ti 4gb and I paid $100 for it from the original owner and it was 99% new shape with the box and all paperwork. I think for the games my son plays and matched with the Ryzen 1400 and MSI b350 he has it's a good match.

[@aaronporter2180]

This card is for old office PCs with proprietary psus and that's about it

[@bulatok1]

Stop comparing this card to a 570. It does'nt need a external power. It was made to plug into small pre built systems. Something the rx570 cannot do.

[@jameslewis2635]

A crushed coke can of a cooler on a polished turd of a GPU. Well done Nvidia.

[@MadIIMike]

I suppose the 1650 was made for the 75w spec for OEMs so they have something with the GTX name on it without having to put stronger PSUs in their prebuilds, which is especially a thing for those with proprietary connectors (scumbags), as they don't want people to upgrade those things and GPUs are usually their main weakness.

[@Tallnerdyguy]

And try it in a few of those may not even support the 75w power demand

[@Jarrizar]

There are Dell systems such as, Dell Inspiron 3650, 3668

[@Munashii78]

I think people mentioning the potential use on OEM office PCs are thinking back on the height of the mining craze, when the 1050 Ti was the only card available under $300 or so. With those prices, getting a second-hand office PC and adding a 1050 / 1050 Ti was a relatively affordable way of getting a working gaming PC for $400 or thereabouts. Right now? A 1st gen Ryzen, mobo, 8GB of RAM, 250GB SSD, RX 570, case and 450W PSU can be had for $400-500, so there's less of a reason to do so (and you also get a clear upgrade path for the following years.) In any case, for the 1650 to be useful in that way, we will also need a low profile card to use with SFF computers (though sometimes those have 180W PSUs and the PCIe slot limited to 40-50W, so not always viable.) This GPU is going to make a killing on entry-level gaming laptops though.

[@TheGoodOldGamer]

Thanks for testing the 75w model so quickly. I was expecting it to be a little worse as well. Still don’t see a real world use case for this level of card. Most ITX cases can fit reference sized cards, and prebuilts are easily upgraded. The ONLY use case would be for low profile or single slot in my eyes, but it draws too much power to be very effective there.

[@limwellz]

most sff prebuild like HP has 300w psu here in my place many people buy sff pc for work and light games

[@HenrySomeone]

HP 8200 and 8300 elite systems are definitely good examples of PCs that would be ideal candidates for this gpu as they had up to i7 2600/3770 inside and could take up to 32 gb of ram so they were definitively powerful enough not to bottleneck this class of gpu, yet they came with proprietary PSU (of around 240w) which would be fine with a 75w card, but most certainly wouldn't take a 150w+ 570. Oh, and you obviously can't replace them since they have special connectors for motherboard power nor can you get them in higher watt spec. There are some adapters, but they are not readily available, relatively expensive and not guaranteed to work (there are several sub-types).

[@Dia1Up]

How about undervolting? Is it even possible on the 1650?

[@alithahnar7957]

*hrmpf* weird GPU with a RX 570 as competition it makes no sense. Would be interesting to know in the next few months how the GTX 1650 compares to the current and upcoming Ryzen APU'S. Guess a R5 3600G with less total system power draw and comparable performance could be the final nail to the GTX 1650?

[@shaneeslick]

I'm wondering if the new Ryzen APUs will kill the 50 series cards too, if they get similar GPU die improvement as CPU die improvement it could really get there

[@superciliousdude]

In our company, we run mainly Dell Optiplex boxes for general purpose desktops, and a mix of HP z230 and z840 for more intensive workstation usage. Our support contracts do not allow changing the power supplies so we are limited to no external PCIe power on the Dell boxes, and a single 6-pin PCIe power connector for the z230. Obviously the z840 have 2000W+ PSUs and can run 4 GPUs with no problems there. This unfortunately means that we standardise on the NVidia GPUs since the power requirements on the smaller boxes preclude the AMD stuff, and the higher performance requirements on the bigger boxes require extreme high-end performance which AMD does not currently offer. As a result, there are very few AMD GPUs used in our company. Shame, as the prices would definitely be more palatable if there was competition. :(

[@morgank.1249]

There’s a lot of ex-fleet corporate workstations on my local craigslist. Most are based on ivy bridge i5s of some kind. Frankly it makes the 1050ti a better candidate but a pcie only card can make sense. The workstations can get as low as $100 in working order. A $150 ish video card that’s guaranteed to work puts it at $250 which is console territory except more flexible as a gaming/HTPC machine. Edit: assuming you never want to upgrade afterwards.

[@tom_mccarthy]

Does a nvidia gtx 650 need a 6 pin connector? My power supply doesn’t have a 6 pin connector so I won’t be able to use a gpu that requires one. I have seen lots of different options on Google. Some saying it does need a 6 pin, others saying it doesn’t. I don’t know if I can use a gtx 650 without a 6 pin so I need help. Have a good day :)

[@AndyMitchellUK26]

The only advantage of this for me is the portable ITX build that I have. I set out to build a portable PC to take on holiday that could do the job whilst using as little power from the wall as possible as some holiday places (in the UK at least) still have electricity meters. It pairs nicely with a Ryzen 3100 (I would have liked a 3300x but yeah) and from the wall I don't see much more than 130w usage with both CPU and GPU at 100% through benchmarks. I would have loved to drop my spare RX 580 in but it adds a noticeable weight to the system as well as power draw.

[@syedgouhar1790]

Why do you point at camera in outro, does it have a backstory? Will be glad to know!

[@CorranStar]

As for the Dell Precision line upgrades, many of the motherboards in that line require purchasing a 20 USD 24-pin to 8-pin power adapter to deliver power to the board from an aftermarket PSU. That hikes up the price a bit more, when all you wanted was to get away from the NVIDIA P600 many of those machines come with.

[@chooka003]

That's why I sub to this channel. I appreciate honest opinions. Never apologise for that. Thank you for your work. PS - I just noticed over on Gamers Nexus that the old 2013 model R9 290X 4G beats the GTX 1650 in pretty much every game tested! That's a 6yr old card!! (290X)At least the 1650 gets a win for power consumption!

[@JoeKundlak]

I wonder if an RX 570 would work with a rig composed of R5 2400G, EVGA 450W +Bronze, 16Gb dual-channel RAM, NVME SSD and a few 120mm fans? Would the TDP be too high for that PSU for me to consider a 600W one? Because say a GTX 1060 (or even this 1660) only has a TDP of 75W, whereas the AMD RX 5xx cards are around 150W...

[@NiceleyDone]

I would totally love the help in considering whether or not the GTX 1650 without power would be viable for me. Main reason of stumbled across this video is due to my PCU limitations and lack of 6 Pin cable. Definitely seems like a viable option for the price and compatibility. Just picked up this HP pre-built. It has an AMD 3rd gen Ryzen 5 3400G, onboard Radeon RX Vega 11, and 256G SSD. I've added a 1 Tb HDD to it for more storage as well. From what I can see, there's no free cable besides a 14-pin that Bridges from the HDD, to supply any kind of power to a pcie. I'm open for questions, don't know if you need more information. Any kind of point in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.

[@FeenixT]

Got an RX 570 4gb on eBay at the tail end of high gpu prices for $100. Barely used. Have loved it. Upgraded from an R7 260x. Huge difference. Question to Nvidia: why keep putting out useless cards like the 1650? There are so many better options for $150-$190

[@meladath5181]

>Question to Nvidia: why keep putting out useless cards Because useless consumers keep buying them. Sadly.

[@ingmariochen]

Budget as a priority, I build a Dell Optiplex 7040 with an i7 6700, swap the PSU it's a pain in the ass so I put an Rx560 that cost me thanks to cryptomining boom $30 at 720p runs pretty good AAA titles, sadly the 1650 it's more expensive than I thought, I have to wait for Navi if they want to build a 75w GPU. Nice review Steve

[@jordibt1789]

How much power does a cooling fan use ? Wouldn't pluging the fan to the mobo give you significant oc headroom?

[@Hombremaniac]

Had that one as a backup, put it in my old rig with i7 4770K and sold it. Dont regret!

[@Thelliam666]

I’m not an expert on PSUs but it’s probably not a bad idea to change them once they get to a certain age? And if so putting in a graphics card that will probably put more strain on it than it’s used to wouldn’t be terribly great for an old PSU?