Teutoburg Tragedy: The Fall of Rome's Three Legions

The Battle of Teutoburg Forest was fought in 9CE between Arminius and multiple allied Germanic tribes against three Roman Legions led by Publius Quinctilius Varus. It would prove to be one of Rome's greatest losses. A defeat that would redefine the borders of the Roman Empire for centuries and set the path for Europe's linguistic future.
It is a battle that would leave great parts of the Rhine as the border between Germania and a young Imperial Rome ruled by its first Emperor Augustus.
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[@YoreHistory]

QUESTION OF GREATEST LOSS: Have had a few comments about it not being Rome's greatest defeat. I would agree...its in a top 12 list sure in terms of troops lost. However, the thumbnail asks the question of whether it was Rome's "Greatest Loss?". A loss isn't just measured in terms of troop counts. It is also measured in terms of impact. Sure many other battles had more significant casualty counts, but did they have the long lasting impact that this loss did? This loss structured the very linguistic future of Europe mainly between Germanic and Latin based languages. It also marked a more or less permanent marker for Rome's northern territorial limits. Those peoples they did not manage to subjugate would pour over that invisible line in the 5th century. As a result I believe in terms of Rome's military losses that this one deserves to be put in the category of greatest losses considering the above impact. Your thoughts?

[@JavidShah246]

Subjects are not definitive in cyphering history. If its not a direct great loss, it sure was the prerequisite for Rome’s future losses. So yeah, Arminius did indeed put fear to empires heart and slowed down romans influence toward north. But its still a page among many pages of Europe’s history.

[@YoreHistory]

@@JavidShah246 Agreed. Thanks for your insight!

[@danielled5207]

I think you can find some good answers to your question watching the "Adistaviso 16 AD" documentary.

[@tuanvandersluis9100]

will. look at this way. it's look like the U.S vs vietnam in a way.

[@gdi1093]

I don’t know sir, Carrhae lead to the death of one the triumvirate and destabilized the political balance in Rome, that’s a pretty far reaching consequence. Not to mention the embarrassment of a Roman army losing to an army less than1/4 its size.

[@YoreHistory]

Cheers everyone! I had commented in the Community section that this was an extra video not a replacement for other series so fear not next up: - Roman Legionary and new Viking Series! :) Hope you enjoy this battle video...its made from the new assets and was a script id made over a year ago and wanted to one day make...this is that day. Now i go back to work!

[@ayushjaiswal9863]

make a video on origin of human colonies near Mediterranean sea!

[@keirnus]

After watching Netflix Barbarians tv series, I searched the history and found this. So, Arminius is real! Learned history faster than in books or school :) Thank you for posting this history! I want more!

[@davidcoleman2796]

Yes . The battel was so important to the history of Europe. Even right up to ww2 .

[@ronnieronb73]

Barbarians brought me here! Great video!

[@YoreHistory]

Cheers :) Wish they had covered the full 4 days of the battle but otherwise the series was fine. Thanks for watching!

[@wilsontheconqueror8101]

Caesar would never have taken his army into a position such as Varus did!

[@tuanvandersluis9100]

I agice with you. The place was a nightmare a.k.a walking one side murder.

[@MarcelPirosca]

Great video, thanks for sharing the knowledge.

[@YoreHistory]

Thanks for watching Marcel!

[@Chameleon569]

This channel is amazing, wow the animations are insane. Very underrated and undersubbed

[@richardcharay7788]

Enjoyed it, thanks!

[@YoreHistory]

Thanks Richard!

[@historicaladventurevideos]

Just discovered your channel, awesome storytelling and art. Can't understand why you don't have more views. Keep up the good work!

[@YoreHistory]

It will.come. i will just focus on getting videos out! Thanks for watching! Good work over on yours as well!

[@farshads3367]

Great job

[@justanotherbrickinthewall2843]

I think it's fair to say that you've done Yore homework 😉 I still recommend you reading Ben Kanes books though. Although historical fiction ; he also did his homework. Besides; he has marched using a legionairies kit & full pack; which gives his books an insightfull edge. As to compairing notes: the loss of the bagagetrain cannot be underestimated. The Legions lost their entrenchement tools needed for constructing a marching camp proper; they lost their tents & thereby their protection from the rain _and_ they lost their ballistae & bolt throwers without which they could not attack the earthworks created by the Germans. 15 minutes is enough for the general story; but only just.

[@YoreHistory]

I will definitely have a read. Thanks!

[@djfiore7103]

Great job!! Keep going!!! Greetings from Argentina

[@YoreHistory]

Thank you! Will do!

[@triptraveljapan]

As a Japanese person, European history and military have a cool appeal to me. The armor, language, and overall aesthetic are quite impressive, unlike Asia. My ancestors were samurai, and we still have swords in our home, but, to be honest, it's rather understated. Compared to Japan, a homogenous nation, the history of Europe, with its mix of diverse ethnicities, feels like a fantastic culture to me.

[@danielb7117]

Finally got back from the USA gonna have to binge Yore History for the next several days. At least I have something to do though, haha.

[@YoreHistory]

Hehe hopefully its enjoyable, wb!

[@danielb7117]

@@YoreHistory sadly as soon as I got home from the States I had to go to get some scaffolding for an upcoming renovation project, so I still haven't been able to watch anything yet, lol. But, I figure that since there isn't any rest for the wicked, I'm gonna spend most of tonight binging, hahaha, it appears that I have a lot of catching up to do. Cheers for that though, because the more I learn and enjoy the Bread and Circuses, the better, Amigo.

[@danielb7117]

Well done Sir. I fear that tonight I will be sleepwalking and bashing my head against a wall yelling, "Quintili Vare, legiones redde!!!".

[@YoreHistory]

Hehe ive been doing that mkst of the day :)

[@danielb7117]

@@YoreHistory hahaha, I hear ya Bro, I was wondering if you were going to have the actual quote in the video, but I was pleasantly surprised with your response. I figured that I would just take it upon myself however, to at least throw it into the bowels of the comment section, lol.

[@danielb7117]

Now, I gotta catch up with all the other videos that I missed, but when one is a Commodities Transportation Technician (Me R a truckin driver guy), sleep is a commodity that costs money.

[@YoreHistory]

@@danielb7117 I hear ya...as ive said before having driven across Canada 4x now and just knowing the focus needed for 12 hours a day...hats off to ya. When I couldn't switch off with my wife as we were both driving two separate cars we were knackered and ready for sleep pretty much signing into the hotel!

[@danielb7117]

@@YoreHistory I can understand that completely. Problem with a job like long-hauling is the messed up hours. But, I can't b*tch, I've had me lots of worse jobs. But, as for You and Yore Missus having to cross this Country of Ours 4x, I will say, that's pretty damn impressive. I assume that it was most likely due to job opportunities, or the like. I can totally respect the fact that You and Yore Missus sound like people who don't mind traveling. To that I doff my Budweiser Trucker Hat Amigo, Cheers.

[@vkg4503]

Great video on the same timeline of the Parthian empire videos! Well done!!!!

[@YoreHistory]

Thanks! I think it will be a slow burner this one but ultimately will do well.

[@vkg4503]

@@YoreHistory When do we get the next parthia video? No rush !!!

[@pp312]

A fine rendering of one of the most tragic chapters in Roman history. However, I hadn't realized that Arminius was Jesus's twin brother. :)

[@YoreHistory]

Lol...I used a program called "Artbreeder" with it you can mix features you are looking for and it uses AI and well I ended up with him lol.

[@Wuestenkarsten]

A Big HUURRA from a Teutoburger Barbarian who grew up inside that Area! But with a Big Sadness I have to say, nowadays I live behind on the other Side of the Limes!

[@MrAwrsomeness]

I would love a modern gladiator like epic about this Man

[@bexandshell]

Watch Barbarians on netflix 👌

[@davidhughes8357]

You learn the value of true experienced generalship from disasters like this.

[@joelperry8187]

I'm not done watching the German produced " Barbarians" on Netflix, which features Varus, Arminius and, eventually, the battle itself. I'm hoping it will as faithful as possible to actual history.

[@YoreHistory]

I won't spoil anything for you but interested in hearing your thoughts after you watch it and we can chat.

[@bullzdawguk]

The remarkable thing about B of TF is something I never considered until I watched a documentary about it a few years ago. The presenter was keen to point out how Arminius would have his men hidden in the woods, waiting to ambush the Romans. They were literally a few yards away from them. Now. Think about that. Arminius' forces would number in their hundreds. The fact alone that they remained out of sight is impressive enough. However, the fact that a force THAT large could remain quiet is the really impressive part. Easily one of my favourite ancient battles. That said, my favourite is Actium. That battle was pivotal and literally decided the fate of the Western world until today. What if Antony had been victorious? If it hadn't been a naval battle, chances are he would have won. Why he chose that option is baffling considering he had no naval experience whatsoever. If he had won, no Augustus, no Constantine, no Christianity dominating Europe, the list goes on and on. There's an entire alternate history to consider. Perhaps it exists in another reality. I'd give my right nut to see what transpired in that timeline.

[@YoreHistory]

I have seen that same documentary and me too...if ever there was a moment to be the proverbial "fly on the wall" or in this case...eagle in the sky/trees looking down :) As for Actium agreed definitely one of my favs as well but what BoTF did for language can't be understated...the Germanic/Latin language divide...Anglo Saxons, modern English being the Lingua Franca etc. Actium though definitely paved the way for the transition from Republic to Empire to play out :) Man so much awesome in history. I envy future generations being able to see our time via digital high definition...if only we had something similar for the Romans!

[@YoreHistory]

@human oid One of my favourites as well. The Roman sources are sometimes all we have and I mentioned this on my Sassanid episode...but you are right we still need to be objective as they were prone to exaggeration :)

[@ayushjaiswal9863]

can u make a video on this language how its spread "britania, germania, italicia, anatolia, syria, Arabia, persia, india, russia, Indonesia, Australia," r u not assuming the common sound "ia" at last as some of countries have "tan" like kazakistan, tajkistan, iran, "

[@YoreHistory]

Not sure I understand the question? Could you clarify?

[@ayushjaiswal9863]

@@YoreHistory i always thought how india named...then i know becoz, of indus river (which we call in in native language Sindhu River) but may be britishers don't want to use "S" so they call it Indus river...and the country called india...but i feel familiar sound when i see old map europe where most of country named in last "ia" as Britania, germania, italicia, america,Arabia, Persia, russia,Australia ! so i realize this common factor not origin from Britain...its leads soms other portion of europe or Mediterranean colonies where this sign/common factor origin

[@brandonchdib5380]

Imagine the look on THE romans faces when THE trees say Yoðas Dayaz (Guten tag)

[@YoreHistory]

Lol indeed. Roman series will be up over the next few days and we will see what the trees in Wales are saying ;)

[@damjan4435]

Arminius is too badass, i cannot

[@YoreHistory]

Hehe he totally was.

[@gdi1093]

Serious question to all history buffs: Why is this considered by many as the worst defeat in Roman history? Arent both the battle of Carrhae and Battle of Edessa more devastating not just in number of Roman troops lost, but also the reverberations/aftermath (Carrhae: death of a triumvirate destabilizing Roman politics and leading to Roman civil war and igniting a nearly 1,000 year long conflict with Iranian empires -- Edessa: capture of an emperor - I don't need to explain why this is a big deal, do I)?

[@IronWarrior86]

Roman empire was ever expansionist, somewhere at some point in time various people had to take a firm stand and tell them enough is enough, so kudos to the Germans for standing up for their way of life, homes, and lands.

[@YoreHistory]

Agreed, the Romans ran into a few that either refused or did not go quietly into the night... :)

[@C0wb0yBebop]

Great job man, but are you sure you’re pronouncing names correctly ?

[@YoreHistory]

Yes, which one wasn't? Doesn't mean I don't make mistakes :) But I try to use classical Latin for all of the ROman names so English "Awe Gust Us" is "Owe Goost Es" etc. Is that what you meant?

[@ravindarkambient7183]

Me: this is awesome! Dried out decomposed Roman Legionary: ...

[@0MVR_0]

One might ask oneself if five advertisements are necessary.

[@YoreHistory]

I have adjusted it...I never do 5 advertisements...usually auto will do 2 or 3 at most. No idea why it chose 5 but adjusted it back as agreed way too much for a 15 minute video was NOT intentional.

[@0MVR_0]

Carry on

[@diegoragot655]

I am confused. Did the Semmones live in Todays "Upper Saxony" (OberSaschen Dresden)???

[@0MVR_0]

Upper Saxony was a renaissance invention, yet this could need verification.

[@diegoragot655]

@@0MVR_0 I wish it could have a different name.

[@YoreHistory]

Tribal placements are based on Roman accounts...migrations forced or otherwise were constant. So tribal locations should be accurate. www.worldhistorymaps.info/images/East-Hem_001ad.jpg

[@diegoragot655]

@@YoreHistory thanks man, remember to look up (if you can) to the Persian life (the guys living south of the Parthian Arsacids) if you feel like it. :)

[@0MVR_0]

correction: Upper Saxony was a Medieval invention used to dinsinguish non-contiguous lands of Lower Saxony after a particular inheritance. The name has minimal bearing to antiquiated kingdoms.

[@heisenberg6272]

Good video. Too bad you used a Roman Centurion to represent Varus.

[@YoreHistory]

Was a general bust it was taken from. To me it reprsented the vision of Varus I saw in my head...arrogant and pompous and reflective of his age and imperial Rome. Thanks! :)

[@danielled5207]

@@YoreHistory Not really. Germanicus was different and a great leader.

[@YoreHistory]

@@danielled5207 I was talking about Varus :)

[@SeanRCope]

Ahgoosetwos?

[@YoreHistory]

Correct. That is the latin pronunciation. :) More "Ou(ch) goose stoos"

[@sbl17jackson37]

Why would any Roman commander march 20,000 troops into a forest where they know that the Germanic tribes can easily ambush them? The Romans lost this war the moment they crossed into the forest.

[@ravanpee1325]

Why did the US go into the dschungel in Vietnam?..arrogance of a superpower

[@tuanvandersluis9100]

can you say one side maseker.

[@EiriktheNordAndersen-ju4gl]

They couldn't ever take Thyskaland.

[@IronWarrior86]

Actually they probably could... but the effort was not worth the relatively small reward contra higher cost.

[@YoreHistory]

@@IronWarrior86 Agreed they probably could have was all about cost benefit and for the Romans was better to fortify and concentrate elsewhere.

[@EiriktheNordAndersen-ju4gl]

@@IronWarrior86 'The effort was not worth it, as it would have cost to much and wasn't worth it' is an excuse made by Roman Empire dick riders in order to make the Empire seem ultra strong and baddass.

[@ndie8075]

Yes they couldn't......but the thysk don't look like south europeans ...they were nordics

[@catalinsoare1261]

The Dacians were not that lucky. Unfortunately for them their land was rich in gold, iron and salt and Rome was hungry for more. Moreover the Dacians had to fight an empire who was at its peak in territorial expansion.

[@YoreHistory]

Indeed...although for a while they put up a good resistance.

[@ilmaio]

Dacians were so upset to become romans they still call themselves romans nowadays, proudly stating their latin culture. The roman empire was not just about oppression. Citizens had rights. Local culture and religion was mostly respected as long as taxes were paid and levy supplied. To picture the romans just as the mongols or othe ravagers is historically incorrect. Infrastuctures were built, some still stand today, alphabetization, philosophy etc. To consider the roman expansion under modern nationalistic bias may make forget that the fall of the empire gave way to 1500 years of endless wars, and that the renaissance took precisely the classical greek-roman values as inspiration for their humanism. Not vandals or Marcomans or Dacian. Why? Show me any artifact from the Vandals! Building things and crashing things is not the same. Mind the block letters on the keyboard, where do they come from?

[@ilmaio]

@@YoreHistory they put up an epic resistence. It took the emperor Trajan himself and 150.000 legionaries fielded for battle to make them say "fuck that, ok". The battle did not take place, Dacia was romanized (see the Trajan column). It was the peak of the western empire. If Rome did some shameful thing to the Dacians was to flee the country, when emperor Aurelian (an Illyrian by the way) had to patch the crumbling empire and surrendered the non defensible Dacia to the Goths, that were fleeding from the Huns. Romanians, instead of keeping a grudge, did the same epic resistence against the Turks (and westerners made their commander a pop culture villain). If the Ottomans would have attacked the austrians 50 or 100 years before, the course of european history could have been totally different. My point is that is totally wrong to consider "Italy" the only heir of Rome, and the surrounding nations as "prays". The italian paeninsula had to be conquered as well, with centuries of fierce wars. The pax romana lasted almost 300 years of european convivence, inclusive of italic, gauls, hiberians, illyrians, thracians etc. Many celebrated emperors were from provinces, not even from the area now considered "Italy". For a latin living in Rome in 2nd century AD, a cisalpine gaul from Milano was no different from a greek, a spaniard or a briton. They were all Citizens of the same empire. All europeans have Rome as ancestors (Vikings were christianized in 800 AD more or less, and become the Norman knights). The symbol of US military is an eagle and the dollars are marked EX PLURIBUS UNUM not by chance. By the way, the culture that Rome spread was not just latin, but mostly hellenic, just adding the concept of central power instead of endless rivalry among city-States. Romans were often brutal, greedy and arrogant, yes, but we must remember they survived brutal times and so many invasions, and left us with the roots of what is called western civilization, based on democracy, civil rights, superior sense of law, personal freedom. In a sense, we are all Romans.

[@MegaBaddog]

@@ilmaioUnfortunately for the islamic world, they were nearly decimated by mongols hordes, they lost their best stock. when they got on their feet, west was rising like a phoenix with far better ideas and innovations. had the ottomans not gotten ass whupped by timur. europe might have been quite different

[@sadok6066]

The greatest lost of rome is battle of cannae where losses were 90k dead romans

[@YoreHistory]

Aye if loss is measured purely as men lost..if its measured as territorial loss or by impact then perhaps a different argument can be made. That is why i phrased it as a question. Thanks for watching!

[@XtReMz98]

Ahhhhh so this is the reason I speak French...! XD

[@YoreHistory]

Yes and also speaks to just how powerful that divide was. Even though a Germanic tribe the Franks would give France its name and rule it, they could not displace the latin based language of the people but they did contribute to giving it a flavor that made it uniquely its own whereas latin languages like Spanish/Italian are very similar in a lot of ways, French went its own way :)

[@XtReMz98]

Yore History I tend to agree. Do you think that Spanish and Italian difference stems from the Visigoth migration following the Huns collapse of Western Roman empire? Just like Portugese were themselves influenced by the Suebi? Both are Germanic tribes that fled the Huns southwest after betrayals/broken promises of lands for their people.

[@YoreHistory]

@@XtReMz98 Yes I think that certainly had a lot to do with it. Even though Italy and Spain are geographically further apart they are often closer than Portuguese and Spanish. However, a lot of that had to do with modern standard Italian being a language adopted nationally by decree. It started out in central Tuscany and was heavily influenced by the Spanish rule over the Kingdom of Naples for example. Plus Naples being an important port with a historical tie to Spain for imports/exports. That influence can't be understated either...so a series of things but yes those barbarian migrations definitely influenced the languages as well. Nudging them further down their "personal" paths :) So interesting but then im a history nerd lol.

[@XtReMz98]

Yore History we are all nerds in something; even though some choose to be nerds in mediocrity. I didn’t know that Spaniards were backers in the Italian linguistic reform! But then I also had a « revelation ». How come two nations managed to influenced one another into the centuries (aka I could read a Spanish text and make up 75% of what is going on) while the Moors and the Berbers have weak linguistic imprints in their language... was it torn apart as heresy during the Spanish Inquisition?

[@YoreHistory]

@@XtReMz98 Sorry didn't mean to imply backers...simply that via Kingdom of Naples they were an influence language wise. As for the Moorish influence that one is very interesting and I hope to cover it in a series or show in future. Basically the Moorish influence was not via pure Arabic (which was spoken mostly be just the elite like Frankish would have been in France) but rather Arabized Romance dialects (Mozarabic) that grew in the areas of the south. Those areas speaking "Southern Castillian" have a higher frequency of words where both the latin and arabic have the same meaning. IE in Mozarabic spoken by the common people we have "Mio sidi Ibrahim, ya wemne dolche!" which in Spanish is "Mi senor Ibrahim, !Oh tu, hombre dulce!" Also the reconquest of Spain by the Spaniards pushed those dialiects away in favor of castellan etc.

[@AGTtactical]

Spare us the weird pronunciation of Augustus. Wtf?

[@YoreHistory]

That is the correct Latin pronunciation which if you had any knowledge in the field would spare you sounding as bad as you do in your videos. It would also spare us the boring Avon videos or 20 seconds of you driving a tractor. Yawn.../wave

[@oliviermosimann6931]

The descendant of Varus is now president of the USA... Oh, sorry ! I thought this was the modern History class ^^

[@IllicitGreen]

arminius was murdered by his own tribe, a fitting end

[@YoreHistory]

Indeed, once im done with a series or two id like to revisit his battles against Germanicus!

[@MarcelPirosca]

@@YoreHistory Please do so, I'm very curious.

[@Wuschel1990]

Funny thing, really. But barely anybody remembers that. I come from Germany and even lived in a region were the Romans camped, closly behind the "Lippe" and on a street named after him. Now all that's left is the statue in Detmold and "his story" or "history".

[@ilmaio]

To say that Teutoburg forest battle changed the european history BECAUSE prevented the romanization of the german tribes and FORCED the empire to give up their conquest is historically inaccurate in so many ways, does not matter what wikipedia might say. 1) german tribes WERE romanized! German language is the closest to latin grammar in europe, much close even than Italian, who does not use declinations and the neutre for example... Just see the verbs To Have and To Be in german and latin. The animal chosen to symbol the country (when it become one) is an eagle! When they had an empire of their own they called it "the holy roman empire" their king and commander was called "kaiser" = "kaesar". How much more romanized can you get? A roman alphabet using culture, deeply christianized escaped romanization in favour of a "germanic spirit". Seriously? Even having soldiers marching in orderly squares is as roman as a thing can be! 2) The ostrogoths of Theuda rix (Teodoricus) who took over Rome were foederati for generations, they were completely romanized, used the same militar equipment and tactics. They were no bellowing barbarians swinging axes. They fought in orderly cohortes coordinated by officials. By the way, that's why they defeats the poorly trained and insufficient forces the collapsing empire could put together to fight them off. Vandals just ravaged the land and found shelter in Africa were they were kicked away by Belisarius of the eastern roman empire, the Huns were faced in open field by Flavius Aetius and eventually sent back home with a ransom. Rome fell to the romanized, disciplined ostrogoths, not to screaming barbarians. 3) Rome managed to win many wars after losing dozens of legions. 80.000 men in one day in Cannae. What 3 legions are in comparing? The point is that it was not worthy to invest large forces to conquer bellicose savages living in a cold resourceless land. As with Scotland and Ireland, the game did not worth the effort. Romans were not "scared off". They had their revenge by the way: german tribes suffered many defeats after Teutoburg, all lost eagles were eventually recovered, Armenicus ended his life being killed by his own kind, and however, how a deception from a traitor (that's the roman perspective) would be so humiliating and disastrous to be beyond recovery, for an empire who endured Hannibal and a disaster as Carrhae (by the parthians)? It makes no sense. 4) the western roman empire was not crushed by external forces, but imploded for sudden lack of resources, mainly due to pandemics and internal strifes. Plus, in the 5th century the wealth and resources coming from Egypt were feeding byzantium, not anymore Rome. Yes, many german tribes did eventually invade all the former roman territory and took over the remaining of a carcass, killed by diseases and old age. But they did not "cause" the fall of the western empire. They just came to feast upon its dead flesh. This said, Teodoricus was a good king and the conquest of the byzantines made no good to peoples in the italic peninsula. Just to be precise about hystorical facts, beyond nationalism and rethoric.

[@YoreHistory]

Great comment appreciated but let's dig a bit deeper. Firstly its not just me saying it, it is scholars in general. I didn't say it "changed the european history because prevented the romanization of the German tribes and forced the empire to give up their conquest". That is incorrect. What I said was the defeat had a lasting impact on European history linguistically. Most scholars agree and there really is no debate as the language line divides right along the region. The Romans did not again attempt (other than Germanicus small forays) to cross and invade for the purpose of expansion after this battle. There is really no debate there I don't think? I think if you go back and listen you will hear what I actually said versus what you misunderstood me saying. 1) Again my point and the point of scholars was with regards to "Linguistics" not spread of Roman ideas or culture. The Holy Roman Empire was centuries after the fall of the western Roman empire and while it adopted Roman ideas (no dispute nor again was anything said about Roman ideas not spreading) it did not adopt the language among the people in those regions across the Rhine...they stayed Germanic linguistically. The influence is evident in modern times...my own family tree is divided among that line. 2) You are talking about a tribe after the fall that crossed the divide and invaded Rome. This agrees with exactly what i said. These were invaders that did not have an impact on changing linguistics..possibly some loan words which went both ways but the language remained latin based as the sphere of influence was too small by the invaders to change it among the common people. Again your point highlights exactly what I was actually saying not what you thought I said. 3) No question...I never said they didn't manage to win any wars after this. I think you are referring to my title of "Rome's biggest loss"? Remember a loss can be measured in more than lives lost...it can be measured in impact. Cannae without question had more losses but ultimately it's impact on the linguistic landscape was much less...Teutoburg forest had a much larger impact on the language landscape of Europe. 4) With respect you are again going into areas I did not cover. I did not talk about the reasons for the fall of the Western Roman empire. Lastly, I agree that nationalism should have no place in the relay of history. I try to be as neutral as possible. I think if you go back objectively and listen to what I actually said versus what you think I did or what you think I implied you will see I said nothing more than the battle had a lasting impact on the languages of Europe which is again factual as it survived to the present day. I said nothing more but would love to have further discussion on those aspects but I think you will find we agree in fact I agree with everything you said just that they were not points I made or disputed in the video. I appreciate the lengthy comment thank you. Also for giving me the opportunity to reply that is what discussion should be all about. Cheers and thanks for watching.

[@schoe2164]

The HRE didn't equate to the Roman Empire tho, any 5th grader could refer that to you