Texas Public Indoctrination

[@dynamicworlds1]

If they get to bring their religion into our schools, I should be allowed to bring science and history into their churches.

[@iansampson3273]

What blasphemy is this.. {Sarcasm}

[@shooutoutannormensfische]

im from germany and im afraid that religion might take over politics at some point

[@KianaWolf]

And taxes! Don't forget that. If they want their religion in public schools, they better be ready for their churches to be taxed.

[@backpackmatt]

Stop Genital Mutilation! 🐧🍎💙🍏

[@richhutchinson2934]

@@shooutoutannormensfischeBoth things you should never bring up at a party or bar.

[@SkepToidious]

You know it's bad when even Texas Christians are like, "Yeah, no"

[@jaredmiller3564]

For real!

[@FlatWorld_Jomhuri_Regime]

Most of these were jews.

[@DudeSoWin]

Secular non-denominational Christianity is a militarized snake in the grass full of one-size fits all emotions the likes that would make your average soap opera viewer cringe and whince at the vandalized self inserts that is entirely buddhist in middleground gaslighting.

[@JoRgEChApIn28]

I live in Texas. I didn't know such a thing existed. I really don't know my neighbors

[@chchchimmy]

Mannnnyyyy of us don’t want this. I’m not Christian™️ but was raised catholic. This has no place in public schools and no reason for existence except control of the narrative

[@austinitesince1979]

raise your hand if you already knew governor Greg Abbott was a sadistic psychopath

[@taylorhickman84]

it's like him and paxton are competing to be the bigger dbag

[@bharland85]

That's a fact. He's a MAGAt ghoul

[@vivianatrevino6212]

Yeah, and they're both winning. 😏

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

I do since today. Thanks for letting me know.

[@mikeredd8833]

Old roller peg. Real dbag

[@iansampson3273]

The Texas Taliban of education.

[@Z4r4sz]

A subset of the american taliban.

[@Azrael_Garou]

Talibangelicals

[@Luney_0296]

You've heard of the KKK. Get ready for the TTT lmao

[@imacds]

Boko Yeehaw

[@Gino-ez4zo]

@@imacds😂😂😂😂

[@laurencress2013]

It's absolutely blows my mind that they need to be reminded this is illegal to force religion on people. 🤬🤬🤬

[@FischerNilsA]

They dont need to be reminded - they know its illegal. Of course. But they think those rules are wrong and something to be overcome. Rules are for others, always.

[@protoborg]

"Rules for thee, not for me."

[@DudeSoWin]

When math books no longer have the addition symbol because its so powerful that pre-civilizations worshiped it.

[@sosammathomas1525]

Not to force anybody you can tell, believe it or not, their choice..And face consequences whatever comes .

[@sosammathomas1525]

Anybody who wants to go to private school may give some tax exemption or some help from the government.

[@weirdmonkeyfish]

Its good to see that Christians speaking up against it too.

[@69eddieD]

It's about time.

[@AIin1771]

they are against other christian views

[@DudeSoWin]

You mean being Protestants against the European Church and those awful Anti-Semetic Roman Latins? 1776 anyone?

[@Fromanotherearth]

Those Christians are hypocrites, no different

[@Apostate1970]

They're part of the problem too. You can't support un-reason and then act surprised when it blows up in your face from some people taking you seriously.

[@weerwolfproductions]

I am an atheist in a majority atheist country. Someone stopping to help me change a tire is a helpful motorist or an ANWB employee (Dutch motorist and cyclist organisation that helps stranded people with quick technical aid). Here people help each other because if you were in need of help, you wish people would help you to. It's the good thing to do because we're all part of the same community. We don't help each other 'because god told us'. We help each other because it's the right thing to do. You don't need fairytales to explain sense of community to kids. You need to teach them cooperation and sharing.

[@Diviance]

Yeah, I firmly hold the position that there is no charity in the Abrahamic religions. None at all. I do not believe you can call something charity if you are forced into doing it by threats. It is only charity if you are doing it because you want to do it.

[@Refertech101]

I help people, because only a person can help a person in need and I am the one there and can do it, what more does one need? it costs me nothing yet makes life better for all those around me! never needed an invisible sky wizard to tell me that either!

[@Refertech101]

@@Diviance it is for sky daddy points, never for the sake of just doing it.

[@ck58npj72]

There is as much weight to "The Good Samaritan" as to when I say "Jesus Christ" when I hit my thumd with a hammer

[@mattstiglic]

@@Diviance who's forcing you to do it with threats?

[@MorrigansRaven3944]

If you want YOUR CHILD to be taught religion, you live in a SECULAR NATION....WITH TOTAL FREEDOM to send them to ANY church/private school you wish. STAY TF OUT OF OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS!!🤬🤬

[@Scanner9631]

Evangelicals NEED to be able to convert other people as part of their faith. So they also NEED for other peoples children to NOT be inoculated against their faith by knowing facts that contradict their interpretation of the bible. 😇

[@stylis666]

Exactly! That was also the intent of the founders of America. Yet, before long it stopped being a secular nation when it adopted christian rhetoric in its economy, government, and pledge of loyalty under threat of hell, but you're still completely free to believe in whichever version of hell you prefer to believe in as long as it's a christian one. You have no public schools or a secular country. But you do have the right idea of how education would work if the US was secular. The founding fathers agree with you, and they had some pretty smart ideas about liberty and human rights. Outdated, but they were on the right track, considering where they came from and what their examples were.

[@MorrigansRaven3944]

@@stylis666 It has never stopped being a secular nation.

[@MorrigansRaven3944]

@@Scanner9631 I guess they should stop being irritated when folks tell em they aren't interested, then. I'm going to start wearing a NO SOLICITORS button, lol.

[@stylis666]

@@MorrigansRaven3944 True, it has always been a christian nation, hasn't it. In god we trust. One nation under god. And we all know which one because there is only one. Son of El. Oh, wait. He has a parent? Like Thor and Loki? Oh, wait, those are gods as well, aren't they. One nation under Allah! I bet that that one triggered a gazillion biases and fears, didn't it. Imagine how over a 100 million Americans feel who aren't christian. Anyway. Have a nice day. Don't trip over your secular hypocrisy.

[@reaperkitty66]

It's good to hear many speak out against this push for indoctrination in public schools.

[@jamesyoung1022]

Imagine your child coming home from school, reporting that today they learned all about the undetectable supernatural realm, filled with undetectable, all-powerful, all-knowing entities, who are monitoring every human thought and deed for the purpose and duty of micromanaging every aspect of human existence.

[@ryanbaker4582]

Only 18 minutes in but holy shit, how did we let this country fall this far that we have forgotten our freedom of religion and separation of church and state. The fact that this is even happening and we need this hearing is appalling and frankly evil. They know that kids are easy to brainwash.

[@RichWoods23]

The people behind this move haven't forgotten those principles but are deliberately rejecting them. It is all political grandstanding and they do not care about the time, effort or money that will be wasted on this before it is shot down. Students, teachers and parents are nothing but pawns in a game to them.

[@schrenk-d]

1 word. Capitalism.

[@aaronanderson4894]

Well we know the history of how this country came into existence then we know why we're having these issues today. The political framework was never meant to be for the majority of people but more or less for rich Oligarchs who also happened to be Religious extremists. Colonialism has always had the core element of Religious extremism attached to it. To erase everyone who was different in race and religion. To conquer and divide. The Roman Empire never really died. It just took on a different form.

[@Refertech101]

Apathy, self delusion, lack of principles, all ways aiming for short term low quality wins

[@Refertech101]

@@schrenk-d so you're a failure? Me thunks you don't know that of which you speak.

[@DeconvertedMan]

48:32 AronRa takes the stand.

[@chefbkeyes]

Thank you.

[@tanman7879]

Thanks

[@Silentsouls]

It is scary to see people that are so indoctrinated, and so assertive about their lies being THE truth, are in charge. This problem should be addressed ..

[@shooutoutannormensfische]

thats one of the biggest problems...everybody thinks he got the truth but at the end no one agrees even on numbers/facts

[@playedout148]

Aggressive ignorance has reached catastrophic levels in the US.

[@kappasphere]

@@shooutoutannormensfische Often you can just go and look at numbers and facts when they are in dispute, but some people have an allergy to being fact-checked like that

[@rmyikzelf5604]

It's your vote and voting history that put them there

[@rabbitsrevenge1101]

Aron has refuted these people many times on his channel. These people know they're wrong, but they are making too much money and power off of religion to let something like truth slow them down.

[@izaks-myth494]

Imagine defending Christian indoctrination in schools

[@mudslinger888]

All the time, sux balls

[@jamesyoung1022]

You know your child is getting a high-quality education when your child comes home from school to report that today they learned all about the undetectable supernatural realm, filled with undetectable, all-powerful, all-knowing entities, who are monitoring every human thought and deed for the purpose and duty of micromanaging every aspect of human existence.

[@mattstiglic]

@@izaks-myth494 imagine defending secular indoctrination in schools

[@modera.torrent_]

Imagine defending lgbt indoctrination in schools

[@mattstiglic]

@jamesyoung1022 you know your child is getting a high quality education when they come home from school to report that men and women are interchangeable widgets and that men can have babies.

[@kr00m]

Saying there are discipline problems since the removal of the bible is a confession of their true intent... Use it as a tool of control.

[@cerumara]

Precisely, that is what it has been used for throughout history.

[@itsablessingbeinganamerica1401]

Bingo

[@Joyful_Smiles]

They are talking about themselves and them not teaching and following their so-called beliefs.

[@txmack1]

turning American public schools into the Christian equivalent of a Muslim Extremist Madrasa will not make school children safer. It will divide the children on religious lines and cause violence to increase.

[@gravitywaves2796]

A big thanks to you and everyone else who took the time to come out and fight against this illegal madness. It is truly terrifying this is the kind of thing that passes as public education.

[@modera.torrent_]

🙄

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

​@@modera.torrent_🙄

[@brunozeigerts6379]

I would ask anyone who favours this proposal how they would feel if they lived in a Muslim country and had Islamic beliefs forced on their children.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

@@SmileyHappy1000 That might depend on which version of Islam and which of Christianity. There are factions of Islam that are moderate and preferable to Evangelical Christians.

[@el_chavez]

@@SmileyHappy1000not true, we hate both. Both have caused the majority of problems in this planet.

[@jamesdefrange]

They don’t have that sort of empathy.

[@kellymichelley]

​@@brunozeigerts6379 Are you insinuating that someone who supports this proposal would be ok with schools promoting Islamic beliefs, as long as they are moderate beliefs?

[@brunozeigerts6379]

@@kellymichelley I'm suggesting the opposite... and maybe it's a question we should ask them.

[@h.l.aristosolies5292]

I'm glad that board member @ 50:57 made it a point to explain when and why "in god we trust" was added to the US currency. At least there's one person on that board who isn't a nut job.

[@babybirdhome]

“Christians” trying to tinker with the education system would be shocked to know what America’s history actually is. That our founding fathers were mostly not Christian, but Deist. That one of them was so not Christian that he was the creator of “the Jefferson Bible” in which every mention of God or anything spiritual was stripped out from the Bible and only the remainder left and used to teach the Native American “savages”, despite that same Bible containing explicit instructions to never do that if you’re a follower of Christ. The United States is not and was never meant to be a Christian nation - that’s why you’ll find no mention of God or Christ anywhere in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, or Declaration of Independence. To pretend otherwise is to completely ignore the entire basis of America’s founding in the first place - religious oppression and being forced to follow the religion of The State. But it’s not just U.S. history that’s against this - the Bible itself is as well, and makes this abundantly clear in numerous places. First and foremost, the Ten Commandments, in which Christians are required to have no other gods before God, and to never take the Lord’s name in vain. But things like this are exactly both of those things. If God almighty saw fit to give each of us the freedom of conscience to choose to follow or to not follow Him and HIs commandments, then it is vanity, and taking the Lord’s name in vain to do anything that strips any human of that same freedom of conscience. And doing so and claiming that it is a “Christian” thing to do is to have other gods before God. These are both unequivocally sins against God. Further proof is later in the New Testament, in which Jesus Himself spoke of when he returns to take His followers home to heaven with Him at the end of time. Here, he talks about the many people of the Earth who will say to him, “Lord, Lord, did we not perform many great works in your name?” And Jesus said that his reply to them will be, “Depart from me, you workers of lawlessness! I never knew you!” These are not man’s words - these are the words of the very same Christ that the word Christian derives itself from. These policies and the people who are supporting them are unequivocally wrong, and they are *_NOT_* Christians, because they do not even know Christ.

[@CookiesRiot]

Also: "Our money has In God We Trust!" Wow, cool... It _shouldn't._

[@Chemeleon86]

I also respect the speaker - upon hearing that - they responded with, "I stand corrected". Too many believers refuse correction so this was great to hear.

[@Disentropic1]

@@Chemeleon86 You respect the speaker? Do you think she suddenly reversed her advocacy? It doesn't cost her anything to look good by accepting correction while ignoring what her error implies with respect to her argument in favor of indoctrination.

[@Chemeleon86]

@@Disentropic1 Likely not. But for that brief period where she accepted her mistake, that was good to see. Granted, I should have specified that it was that moment that I liked, not her overall message

[@FieldNurse]

I am not American - yet the fact that this discussion needs take place depresses me immensely. To know that a nation as mighty in military, cultural and fiscal power is turning theocratic keeps me awake at night.

[@Bettylala4321]

I feel better sadly, that I’m not overreacting if u feel same not being here!

[@FieldNurse]

​@@Bettylala4321 You are not overreacting. This has massive repercussions nationally for you, of course - but also for us, even across the pond. There are politicians and influencers over here taking their cue from your politicians and influencers. Unfortunately they're furthering the trend towards the right and unreasonable, across the board.

[@Superman679]

As a Canadian, I along with many other Canadians and Mexicans, hate the fact that United Statiens call themselves Americans ! America is a continent not a country and even the US government agrees with me ! Look at a US passport. It says on the cover that it is a US passport and not American passport and inside it says that the barer of the passport is a US citizen, not an American citizen. If United Statien just doesn't sound right to say or hear, then call them Pubic Wigs ! A Pubic Wig is called a Murkin, so call them Murkins. That being said, do not worry about Murika and all their bombs and armies and ships. If they ever decide that they should rules the world, or should I say, they decide to act on what they already believe, they will loose !!! There are already too many people in Murika, that would rise up and attack from both outside and inside Murika. Again, if Murika ever decides to act on what they already believe, not all but most, that Murika should rule the world. THEY WILL LOOSE !!!!!!!!

[@Raydensheraj]

​​@@Superman679United States of AMERICA.....I think your insane to proclaim i shouldn't call myself American when I reside IN ONE of the United States of "America." Your claim makes absolutely no sense.

[@Refertech101]

well once they go theocratic they will implode fast, as to be a power you need to grasp reality

[@cherylw1958]

If I lived in Texas I'd move, if I had children I would be appalled with this curriculum.

[@dynamicworlds1]

Be appalled anyway

[@littleredpony6868]

I don’t live in Texas and I’m appalled

[@reefnreefer]

Anybody with children & the means needs to gtfo of America full stop. No different to Iraq, Iran etc. A true 3rd world s hole.

[@planetpjr]

delusion posing as curriculum

[@Susie_Spann]

Native Texan here. My children are grown, no grandkids yet, but I'm terrified of the direction we are going.

[@RolfTorsten]

I'm not afraid of my child going to school and returning a different gender. I am afraid of my child going to school and returning an evangelical Christian.

[@kussemeinkont]

How would you feel if your child was given puberty blockers without your consent? Religion can be reversed, drugs prescribed by "experts" can't. I wouldn't trust school psychologists any more than priests.

[@Monkeyshine911]

Amen!

[@kiowah231]

Lol because lopping off healthy body parts is worse than adopting a new belief system. They’re both horrendous.

[@Ole_CornPop]

Both options are equally as bad

[@Method9]

Whoever wrote such TERRIBLE curriculum needs to be investigated.

[@SouthTxBiker]

Except we have no idea who wrote it because they are hiding that information from the public. Probably because it would expose that it is a religious group that created it.

[@DudeSoWin]

They need to be CREDITED for their public service, and blessed are they to receive their just reward by the light of day, so sayeth the book of Matthew. He knew all about those taxes and hanged out with fishermen who were very good at making rope. Essentially the only time when they are not listed by name is when they are protected figures of the military speaking down at the common people with unchecked privilege. Any Diplomacy that tries to backdoor the children is not in a nations best interests.

[@BlahajGoesNom]

More like investigate the individual that had the idea, and that guy's name is Trump.

[@Rodrik18]

​@DudeSoWin sure so let's see who did it. You can credit them and then they can be removed from their position for their unconstitutional conduct

[@uncertaintytoworldpeace3650]

It doesn’t take a fucking genius to realize it’s the people prosecuting Alex Jones, buddy.

[@The_WhiteSilver]

Actually terrifying. The fact that this is happening here, not some goat farmers town in the Middle East, is appalling and should be a wake up call to many.

[@wizquinn8021]

Christian nationalism at any cost. 😢. Appalling. 😢

[@littlefurrow2437]

Both are Abraham's oil weirdos.

[@DudeSoWin]

You obviously have not read the copypasta drivel being cooked up over in Oxford with that Legalese subset of International English. Just pop open one of their dictionaries and see how far man has fallen. It would do well for the children to read a bit of Shakespeare.

[@johnmurphy8791]

What a racist thing to say. To belittle towns where goat farmers live. You weren't demeaning the town but you were demeaning goat farmers & the Middle East. So inappropriate

[@The_WhiteSilver]

@@johnmurphy8791 How is it racist? The Middle East is far away from the American heartland, and rural goat herder towns that don’t have access to the outside world are often where stuff like ladyboys or true sharia law happens.

[@johnh.1057]

We have an overwhelming number of religious people here in Puerto Rico, and never we intended to teach religion on our schools.

[@gamergod-lq7ic]

I hear them keep on saying " the bible is a historical fact." What do they have to prove this?

[@vampireraef]

The only proof they ever seem to need. They believe it. It's like they can't step outside of themselves.

[@dogwalker666]

Because the books says the book is true, That's all they need.

[@JaniceinOR]

​@@dogwalker666 Cue Tim Minchin's "The Good Book"

[@dogwalker666]

@@JaniceinOR never could understand what was good about it, It should carry an 18 certificate at least.

[@LibraBlue1962]

Faith - because it sure isn't reason.

[@iatebambismom]

This is wild. Good luck over there folks. At least there are Christians arguing against it.

[@curious968]

There always are. The problem with putting "God" into the curriculum _in actual fact_ is that _some_ denomination will end up being chosen for the theology. If it is Catholic, the Protestants will object; if Protestant, the Catholics will object. If it is fundamentalist, the liberals will object and vice versa. What quickly comes clear is that it is still America and even Christians are hopelessly divided in the end on what Christianity is in any detail whatsoever. No Christian wants their kids taught the wrong Christianity in the schools. But, in the end, that's what you get. Some minority wins politically, right up to the moment everyone else comes out of the woodwork to object. All before we consider Jews and (nowadays) even Muslims that will demand some kind of opt-out.

[@izaks-myth494]

Thank you for making this video!

[@1ApeinSpace]

AronRa, thank you for putting this video up. Stayed up past my bedtime to watch. It's so scary how some of these people think. There are some of them that understand the issue.

[@shelbyschroder4140]

I was taken out of Texas when my step father got a new job in WA state. Im saddened how my home state has fallen so far and power given over by religious nutters. We know how dangerous the church is. People have been killed in the name of God. Im glad 15 year old me got out when she did.

[@gordonfarley8142]

Welcome to WA.

[@kappasphere]

I went to a Kindergarten that did this with us, my parents still tell me about how I came home one day to present my conclusion, "God went extinct"

[@rachelguderjahn2231]

😂 I can imagine that wasn't the conclusion the school board wanted you to come to.

[@kappasphere]

@@rachelguderjahn2231 Well, it's the natural conclusion that a child comes to when he only hears stories of God doing stuff thousands of years ago, and at the same time is explained that dinosaurs can't be seen anymore because they went extinct from being hit with a meteor. By the way, I'm German, so the Kindergarten didn't exactly have a "schoolboard". As far as I understand, what we call "Kindergarten" is actually the equivalent of pre-school.

[@dangerpea108]

Living in northern blue states my entire life it's shocking to see this is the kind of thing that's actually being debated about schools down south

[@victorfinberg8595]

welcome to iran

[@SouthernMenace]

Great commentaries from the participants. The fact this is even being seriously considered is appalling.

[@VolrinSeth]

So many biblethumpers who didn't bother to do any research. The 'In god we trust' bit for example.

[@damon22441]

Two of them (the supporters) spoke in complete ignorance, her and the the Karen at 51:19. Appalling that people without even a cursory understanding of anything get a say on public policy.

[@USA92]

​@@damon22441Not as appaling that 46 states have no laws against archaic forms of discipline in private schools. No marching, calling and writing reps. It's that type of adults. When the rubber hits the road only voting. As if the dangers to our most vulnerable where not as important to act. Just vote every few.

[@johnboettcher1962]

Read “The Power Worshippers”. There are rich and powerful people behind all this, and their target isn’t just Texas. They want to do this across the country and then the world.

[@subcitizen2012]

Yup, this part of why they want to abolish the federal department of education. It's the next step. Paradoxically, in such an environment, you'd have liberals and free thinkers, non Christians and non Christians nationalists wanting to homeschool - and it probably finally being made illegal unless exempted through religious testing etc. it's scary stuff.

[@Dr_JSH]

Will Texas ignore such steadfast opposition? Yessiree!

[@Starhawke_Gaming]

Imagine being a child being raised in a Jewish or Muslim tradition, and then having a module in school not just teaching that The Crusades were a good thing, but to imagine and role play as those crusaders... The people who wrote this curriculum is deeply disturbed and myopic in their views.

[@Refertech101]

I am anti theist and even I can say the crusades where a good thing, perhaps you really should learn history, not all cultures are equal, nore should be tolerated in the west. they come here they adopt ours as it was theirs that made their country so bad they felt the need to leave!

[@drewcoowoohoo]

Imagine being black and being taught to "remember the Alamo."

[@vivianatrevino6212]

​@@drewcoowoohoothe alamo was a fight against Mexico, imagine being hispanic and not learning about the role of Mexico as anything other than an enemy rather than the victim of land theft

[@drewcoowoohoo]

@@vivianatrevino6212 Texas was part of Mexico. They refused to free their slaves when Mexico made slavery illegal. Thus the Alamo. Read some history. That was Texas' first succession from a parent country to keep its slaves.

[@breadfan7433]

The theocrats are at it again. Thank you to all who resist them, including my fellow humans who put their principles of defending democracy and equality before their religions. Thank you Aron for bringing this video to us. It's reassuring to know that so many religious people are against theocracy and forced indoctrination.

[@MrChristianDT]

So, the lady's argument is that, since the Bible was "removed from schools," God has magically removed the ability & capacity from teachers to teach children effectively a punishment?

[@ChixieMary]

Grown up, and coming to voting age in the '70s. We've been screaming shouting and carrying on warning after warning about this happening. While the "good people" on the other side continued to say "oh no, that would never happen here. 🙄 You're just being hyperbolic. Stop making a fuss! Be quiet! Go sit down! They called us the sheep. 🤬

[@chrisbrueckner9955]

The pastor is correct. Fact or fiction is hearsay. Religion is personal not community based. Be a Christian or a Buddhist or whatever.... that's up to the parents not a public school

[@rickyhits6547]

The babble is not a historical book. It's a fictional work.

[@dynamicworlds1]

It's also not appropriate for children. Of any age.

[@taco8951]

@@dynamicworlds1 Yeah, will all the talks of sexual themes in our schools, the Christians advocating for book bans have clearly never read the Bible.

[@catalyst3713]

That's not really true. The Bible is way more historically corroborated then skeptics give it credit.

[@KindNine]

@@catalyst3713 I don't even find that a very controversial thing to say. Surely the Bible gets some trivial things right every once in a while. It just doesn't erase the plethora of things it gets so very wrong.

[@taco8951]

@@catalyst3713 It's about as historical as any other Historical Fiction out there. It has references to real places and events, but the book itself is a fiction

[@homophilosofikus8215]

Religions should be taught as and for what they are, Religions, nothing more and nothing less. In a class called religions

[@VolrinSeth]

The bible does not teach wisdom or virtue. It teaches blind dogma and obedience.

[@dreadtrain2846]

And hate.

[@69eddieD]

Bible is the foundation of white supremacy.

[@iGame3D]

Useless book doesn't even contain any good recipes for healthy food.

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

​@@iGame3Dno recipes? Back then every & any food was healthy. It's not for the modern world. The bible is not completely applicable since, say, a century.

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

No! There is some wisdom somewhere, it's just a bit hard to find, that's all. In some other words: The bible contains rare shreds of wisdom.

[@seraphinaaizen6278]

When Republican say: "I want to give parents a choice", what they mean is: "I want fundamentalist Christians to be happy and nobody else."

[@FidensLibertas]

well you're kinda right but it's really more that while republicans want to give parents a choice they also want to make that choice for them. remember that when republicans say they're the party of freedom they don't mean they want to grant you freedom, what they actually mean is that they want to dictate your freedom.

[@thedrunkshinobi]

"You can do it your own way, if it's done just how I say" - Mettalica, Eye of the Beholder 1988

[@Cocytus127]

Sorta like when a democrat says, "I want everyone to have a fair shot" they mean, "I want non-white, non-male people to have special privileges and opportunities." Hyperbole goes both ways.

[@thedrunkshinobi]

@@Cocytus127 If white men didn't spend the last few thousand years abusing every one else on the planet then those people wouldn't need "special" rights granted to them just to be treated equal to white men.

[@aetherkid]

​@@Cocytus127 be quiet, racist.

[@rocketsfan6116]

No TOM, you don't get to just casually state that some random part of the bible is "a fact". 😑😵‍💫

[@JessicaChastainFan]

"Those are facts" No, dumb dumb. They are fantasy stories.

[@zarbins]

It's a mix of both historical facts and mythical wisdom traditions. :)

[@angtxsun4460]

As a Texas educator who has taught in two private Christian universities in Texas I am embarrassed that the world now knows some in Texas are as ignorant about their own government and laws as they are about world history, science, age appropriate education, child development, and the history of the Bible and Christianity. Exactly how could children possibly become educated given the ignorance displayed by this curriculum?

[@stephenlucas8862]

it maybe wrong of me to feel this way, but it really bothers me that many of these religious parents force and trick their children into believing the same as them. I remember having to goto church as a child otherwise i would be punished if i tried to argue. I went to church out of fear and not because i thought it would help me.

[@Leith_Crowther]

Why would that be wrong? Abuse is abuse.

[@69eddieD]

I was dragged to church until I was too big to drag any more. I was exposed to extreme religious abuse. It's a truly awful thing to do to a child.

[@TheJimtanker]

The goal of that curriculum seems to want to make zealots.

[@thunderbird3694]

More like "terrorists"

[@LibraBlue1962]

And loyal little Fascists.

[@dynamicworlds1]

"We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority." -Texas GOP official party platform 2012

[@JaniceinOR]

​@@dynamicworlds1 Whoa! That's awful!

[@Troubleshooter125]

Sadly, Aron, you talk facts and sense to those who don't want to hear it. These are people who have subsumed their belief system into their identity, to the point where the two are inseparable, and any challenge to their beliefs becomes an attack on THEM. This you know as well as I do. One can only hope that there were those with ears to hear in that meeting, who could accept your statement for the value it had. Hope STILL springs eternal, I guess!

[@moonstar9559]

I don't get why any Christian would want this. When I was a child in a Christian family, my parents wouldn't let me go to Sunday school or VBS at a friends church unless they investigated and made sure they had the same doctrine. This is the WHOLE point of separation of church and state!!

[@subcitizen2012]

These days, faith and politics, especially in places like Texas, have been alloyed into the same thing. The denominational differences of yesteryear have collapsed in this movement into a single "Christian" identity, paradoxically vs the state and vs any and all political views. Theres different definitions of this, but probably the most broad term is Christian nationalism. Interestingly, and paradoxically, usurping the powers and authority of the state to impose religious teachings isn't actually about religion - it's about power and authority. THAT is what makes this movement dangerous both politically and religiously. Anyway, sorry just clarifying, I know this is choir preaching hour lol

[@nadirku]

So fun fact, my parents were both born before words "In God We Trust" were added to paper money via the resolution that was passed in 1956 on July 30th.

[@NOMAD-qp3dd]

Thank you for bringing attention to, and participating, in this issue Aron.

[@scratcho.9980]

That old guy's take about the good Samaritan story is insane. As if the idea of us still using that story today to describe others means that it should be taught in schools. Muslims invented Algebra yet I'm sure he would have a heart attack if there were Qurans in every Math class.

[@KitaBFawkes]

That one pastor who couldn't just say "No." to the question about the historical accuracy of the Bibbel, he has somewhat earned our ire. He even implied that he believed that Genesis was a metaphor when explaining that different interpretations exist, and he still couldn't say that it isn't historically accurate. Let it be stated that his weakness made him look bad. An atheist could always say no, with confidence.

[@HIsForHawk]

The thing is, saying 'no' plain and simple is the most honest position a christian could take. "The Bible" as a whole does not even attempt to be historical, there are parts of the Bible with that objective, but the collection as a whole has very different goals.

[@wojciechbacalski2531]

I mean the question was ridiculous. Bible is not a book, it's a collection of books of different genres, it baffles me that on that council were people, that not only know nothing about education, but their own holy scriptures

[@Scanner9631]

@@wojciechbacalski2531 it baffles me that on that council were people, that not only know nothing about education, but their own holy scriptures They knew exactly what they were doing. He defies them and they were trying to get him to say something that they could use to get his parish to reject him as minister.

[@Notalloldpeople]

Amazes me how most that spoke about children did so in the context of the parents right to indoctrinate. Will no one speak on behalf of the children’s rights to not be indoctrinated by religious parents. Children are not property,

[@thunderbird3694]

True, I heard no mention of Child Abuse

[@dynamicworlds1]

@@Notalloldpeople exactly. It just shows how insidious and pervasive the biblical view of parenthood is. Youth liberation and rights is a must if we are to progress as a species.

[@Dreamprism]

It's sad that some pro-religious-instruction people involved in these arguments still don't know "In God We Trust" was added to the currency later.

[@alj4259]

Hot damn! Watching this tells me we've got a CHANCE for a bright future!

[@Saol.Alainn]

I'm a childless New Yorker with no attachments to Texas, and for some reason watched every minute of this, with interest 😂

[@vivianatrevino6212]

I'm a childless educator in Texas and am quite worried. Theology in academia is a joke.

[@Saol.Alainn]

@@vivianatrevino6212 I agree. It's a bit scary, and very sad, seeing this kind of reply to so much opposition (by Christians nonetheless). Makes it very clear how little these politicians/board members care about their elected responsibilities. However, don't lose hope yet! Our younger generations are starting to realize the danger of being as complacent as we have been, and they're starting to stand up for what they know is right. It won't be long before this shift starts to take hold, and the old minds start to die out. At least that's what I believe :)

[@Valfodr_jr]

As soon as you use the argument that "our money has In god we trust printed on it", you are actually arguing that you need more teaching of history than Bible studies. I am a Norwegian and know more about the origin of that phrase and also "One nation under god" in the Pledge of Allegiance than the average US citizen. Why? Because we have thorough lessons in history at school!

[@Leith_Crowther]

More teaching in Bible studies couldn’t hurt in this case, though. “Thou shalt not make graven images.”

[@captainkelley2339]

They did that baptist pastor so dirty. And when I'm defending a baptist pastor, you can be certain we are way off the map!

[@tomokolovecraft3792]

They attacked his faith to make an example of him. "If you don't agree with our views, then you're not a real Christian."

[@captainkelley2339]

@@tomokolovecraft3792 I could see that. But to me, the real offense is the political theater of saying "Yes or no" and then asking a question that cannot be answered by "yes" or "no". Then when he tells you it isn't a yes or no question, you just declare his answer to be whichever serves your argument. Like he said: the Bible is not a history book. The Bible isn't even 'a book'; it's several books. Some of them have stories based on history, some do not, some are absolutely pure fantasy. And for them to do what they did is just not right. Now I am an atheist who was raised Catholic, so I am no friend to a Baptist preacher by any measure. So, you have to be pretty far out of line for me to be sticking up for him. But what's right is right and what isn't just isn't. That garbage was not right.

[@tomokolovecraft3792]

@@captainkelley2339 I agree with you, and trust me, I'm not a fan of any religion. My say in this is how that was the entire point. He disagreed with them, so they had to find something, no matter how minor, to delegitimize his position as a leader in their faith. If he's not a "real Christian" then everything he says is wrong. And as a result they can continue to be right. It is a means to an end and for them the end justifies any horrific means no matter how antithetical it is to their own teachings.

[@captainkelley2339]

@@tomokolovecraft3792 I absolutely agree. I have been 'no true Scotsman' most of my life. Which is fine because I'm Irish, Mexican, and Wampanaog; so I never was Scottish. Lol.

[@subcitizen2012]

Baptist pastors willing to defend us absolutely need to be defended. That man is an absolute hero. In this environment these weirdos are trying to stamp down people of their own religion. That was the scariest interaction by far.

[@beautifulmelanatedgoddess2299]

"Religion and faith should be addressed within the family not as part of the public school system. I want to bring my children up in a way that is moral and ethical but not necessarily in the exact Christian faith or those materials".

[@JaniceinOR]

I think this is a quote from the first 5 minutes?

[@beautifulmelanatedgoddess2299]

@@JaniceinOR yes

[@beautifulmelanatedgoddess2299]

@@JaniceinOR I quoted This because I think the same

[@JaniceinOR]

@@beautifulmelanatedgoddess2299 Ah,ok. If you would like people to understand you are quoting, I suggest putting quotation marks around the quote.

[@beautifulmelanatedgoddess2299]

@@JaniceinOR OK then I will next time thank you though

[@trueworld78]

U rocked it aron ,they were speechless!...love the way un can put words together to prove your point.

[@JohnDarwin7]

Religion and state must be kept separate!

[@BobbNewhart]

2025 >>>>>> Nobody Expected The American Inquisition!!

[@nathan_sweet]

That woman holding up a dollar bill as proof of the founding father's intent makes me sad for humanity.

[@Ponlets]

lady at 50:40 never learned that "in god we trust" was added RECENTLY to the currency .. makes me feel all kinds of negative emotions to see people spouting off this stuff as if its been this way since day one... the old motto was way better "E Plurbus Unum"

[@KrwiomoczBogurodzicy]

[48:30] The man

[@chuckufarley5348]

Seems to me by the questioning that the school board had their minds made up before this even started .

[@DeconvertedMan]

It makes my hope in humanity grow a bit that a lot of those that hold faith are against this. That... is a good thing.

[@seionne85]

That one lady really thinks she's Christ's strongest soldier 😂

[@crystalscolza1663]

You can tell by that gaslighting jerk on the board if they're going to vote for this to go through no matter what anyone says.

[@biogopher]

Thank you to all the pastors and scholors who understand how unreasonable and dangerous a change like this is to our country and children

[@rebeccarittenhouse2203]

Why is there never any repercussions for politicians that pass unconstitutional laws? Why is it only the citizens that have to pay the price for these corrupt people.

[@hermungus1]

32:15 Whats really disturbing is how little these board members know about the book they are promoting. Not everything, even in the author's day, was meant literally. The jews alone have 3 ways of reading every single verse. Peshat: the plain meaning Remez: the allegorical meaning Derash: the metaphorical meaning through a midrashic lense They want to indoctrinate other's children with their Bible but don't know anything about it besides feel good jesus stories. Even as an atheist, the level of ignorance these people show towards their book is alarming

[@NOMAD-qp3dd]

She may as well have had a spear to the man saying "Confess or die!" The modern day crusade.

[@subcitizen2012]

The Christians on our side are truly doing the Lord's work. Good people standing up for what's right. I'm really glad they're out there and we have them as allies against this Christian nationalist fundamentalist onslaught.

[@MilwaukeeAtheists]

When they keep asking "is the bible historical or not"? It means they dont understand the topic. The bible is many texts with complex histories. Putting it into one category or another would not only be disingenuous, but also anachronistic

[@aetherkid]

It may be a historic document, but it's wholly unreliable as an honest and truthful representation of history.

[@dreadtrain2846]

A historical document with no historical facts. Sure it tells us how ignorant our ancestors were, but that's about it. It's an historical document in the same way any other work of fiction from the past is.

[@BioshockChicken]

This is like a horror movie. It’s one thing to see our country deteriorate so rapidly, it’s another thing to see Americans fighting so passionately to make it happen. Who let these people take charge?

[@Scanner9631]

The voters in general and the GOP in particular. Personally I reject any party that lets a NAZI run as their candidate. The GOP have done that.

[@richhutchinson2934]

The teaching of religion or faith in public school is completely contrary to our constitution. This is almost offensive.

[@theace8502]

Not almost, it’s a slap in the face for those of all faiths

[@richhutchinson2934]

@@theace8502 I know. I was kinda being facetious when I said "almost". I'm actually surprised it took this long for somebody to say that, I've been waiting, haha. It's just that I'm not one to be easily offended at all. If I were, I'd be offended myself.

[@vivianatrevino6212]

No, it's offensive to anyone of a different religion and maybe more so to those who ascribe to no religion.

[@warmstrong5612]

That interrogation of that Baptist minister was appalling to listen to. These people fear irreligiosity so much that they would resort to shoving religion down the throats of children, and seem offended when a religious leader disagrees with their approach.

[@Susie_Spann]

It's a step by step process with the goal of creating a clear line between the working class and the rich elite. By ensuring actual education is available to those who can afford to send their children to private schools, while teaching select Biblical passages to the children of the working class, it will be easier to force people to work long hours for low pay. Poorly educated children grow into a new generation of slaves.

[@Venusbabe66]

Bingo! This has been the aim since the 70s.

[@dreadtrain2846]

Well duh, this has been the MO of the church from day 1.

[@rmyikzelf5604]

Unbelievable. And terrifying. The 1400's are back

[@assasinator1980]

All religious study should begin with ancient Sumer just like the opening scene of the Exorcist

[@josephmccray9432]

Honestly I am a firm believer religious belief and views are up to individuals, not the state, not even the parents.

[@damienguy501]

"I stand corrected". Love the woman who held up a dollar bill as proof of the influence of the Bible, only to be corrected that was introduced under Eisenhower in 1956, and it was E Pleribus Unum before that. Surprised no one is suggesting the Bhagavad Gita or the Mormon Bible be taught....

[@GillyWhitfootHaysend]

The woman around the 8:30 mark says her child is going through belief system rites, but then turns around and says that a child of that age is not neurologically developed to understand religious belief concepts like that. Interesting.

[@JaniceinOR]

agreed

[@GillyWhitfootHaysend]

@@JaniceinOR walking back somewhat though-we don't know if there was CONSENT involved. And, for what it's worth, I am a freethinking person, but since I wasn't raised directly in any form of faith whatsoever, I don't think I have the right to likewise directly judge in the sense of debating believers since I don't have the experience of being wronged and thereby I wouldn't have the energy to debate. That being said, there are plenty of people here from faith communities that I rooted for here; especially that one Baptist Minister with that historic quote. It's just that that one mother gave me pause.

[@RolanRoyce]

They know it's easier if the programming is started at early age, when minds are more impressionable and prone to suggestion.

[@DreadEmpath69]

A few things stood out to me: 1. The same people who yell about freedom want to take away other people's freedoms. 2. Thr woman who spoke about Critical Race Theory. She's all bunched up about CRT, which is factual history, but wants to demand the Bible be forced on other people's children. That's rich 😒 3. I respect the Christians who hold their faith as their own but dont want to force it down the throats of others.

[@φαρμακεία-πρωταρχικός]

This is terrifying. Truly disturbing.

[@SecularFelinist]

I take it, despite this meeting, the Board thumbed their nose and adopted it anyway?

[@johnboettcher1962]

Probably. The modern GOP has no interest in governing. It wants only to rule.

[@CrabCrow]

I was raised Catholic but I had the freedom to walk away from the faith on my own terms. To take that right away from all kids in Texas is disgusting.

[@pinball1970]

Looks like they did not learn from Dover.

[@michaelsotomayor5001]

This republican government saw the oppression other countries have on their citizens and thought, you know what that's not a bad idea.

[@shpoopleshafer]

Holy fuck i'm getting radicalized

[@JorgeLeitner]

There's no way this is actually happening in 2024. What the hell...

[@brecky]

I appreciate seeing a pastor, an SMU professor, and Baptist lay leaders speak out against this bill.

[@Jo_Kuiper]

To answer the question asked at 27 minutes in: NO, the Bible isn't a history book, and shouldn't be taught as such, and certainly not at public schools. They should teach about the different religions worldwide, never teach one religion above any other.

[@physalis17]

LOL at that dude claiming Paul being persecuted by Jews being fact. The majority of the letters attributed to Paul were not written by him.

[@polarbear1713]

Halfway through. Waiting for someone to state they will sue the board if they pass this curriculum for infringing upon their constitutional rights.

[@polarbear1713]

The only thing they will listen to is a loss of money or removal.

[@JaniceinOR]

I was hoping the 1st Amendment lawyer would bring up that adopting this curriculum would definitely bring lawsuits that would cost the schools huge amounts of money to fight. (Though maybe having it challenged is the goal, so the current right-wing SCOTUS.)

[@BellePal]

@@JaniceinORyes, I don’t have confidence in SCOTUS these days.

[@biblesforbreakfast]

Well they deserve to be sued but considering that the Supreme Court is for hire. And very much not Supreme anymore very stupid. I don't think that the legal system will be very just.

[@Zalzaroth]

That pastor coming in and dropping the line about the curriculum, breaking the golden rule, holy shit what a mic drop.

[@labellafleur6262]

Do unto others....

[@michaelbell3181]

I hate where all this is going. That it's proposed at all shows how far down the rabbit hole towards a theocracy we have gone. If Project 2025 is moved forward, this won't be an exception! 🤬

[@dreadtrain2846]

Banning abortions was a pretty big hint that something was up.