Textron's NGSW 6.8mm Prototype M4 Replacement Deep Dive

Textron's rifle to replace the M4 is by far the most unique firearm of the past 100 years. In this video we examine if the plastic ammo and complicated looking weapon is the best gun for todays infantry.
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[@domvasta]

I am a chemist and the problem wouldn't be cookoff, copper and brass have a much higher thermal conductivity than any of the polymers used in these cartridges, the issue with heat is whether the plastic will be heated above its glass transition temperature and deform to the chamber dimensions under the pressure generated by the powder, this isn't a problem for brass because brass on steel has a low coefficient of friction, the brass deforms, sealing the breech in all places the bolt doesn't, but most high temperature polymers will leave residue at that sort of heat and pressure, even if only in contact for a fraction of a second, this can cause issues with feeding, sealing of the chamber, escaping gases and extraction, it's easily solved by using a low coefficient of friction high glass transition temperature polymer like PTFE, or even a lightweight spray ceramic coating, either one would not significantly effect the weight or performance of the cartridge, though the barrel may foul sooner from soot generated by burning polymers inside the cartridge than it would from copper alone, but the next round through the barrel should clear that out. I think it's a good direction to go for the military, saves a lot of weight and ensures that your ammo can't be used against you if stolen or left behind in combat.

[@Taskandpurpose]

pinning this comment for people interested in more detail about this.

[@adlerarmory8382]

PTFE? New horizon for those who like to handload ammunition: 3D printed PTFE cartridge cases!

[@mrmeener625]

but...but...what happens when they ban oil?

[@TheNickademas1]

Hahaha thanks to Biden and the dems we would leave the new ammo and the new guns that can shoot that ammo behind in combat!

[@artistphilb]

I think an issue is that brass cartridges when ejected are hot so take some heat out of the gun where plastic ones do so less..

[@basic9434]

NOT an expert but I am an Engineer. When it comes to polimers you don't want to worry about the melting point you want to worry about the plastization point where the plastic becomes deformable. The plastization point is substantially lower in these polymers potentially allowing for ejection problems and deformation of the casing.

[@popinmo]

Do you think it's possible to make this ammo myself using casting or maybe even a 3d printer? Being its polymer also what kind of polymer is it?

[@kevinfeeney7371]

Pin this man

[@alejandromartinez3475]

I'm into 3D printing, I would say probably not since if cross section between layers are going to be relatively weak and would not hold up during the firing of the round. If you can make plastic ammo you would probably need to injection mold it. Also I don't know what polymer they use but I would immage they wouldn't tell people to protect trade info.

[@popinmo]

@Space Lincoln Landrew oh

[@jumpergamer1913]

@HunterBidensCrackPipe ammo made from recycled plastic

[@tomconneely1361]

One factor that has historically derailed DOD development is, "In whose district would this system be built?"

[@jarowan]

That's why the answer, particularly the Air Force's answer, is "All of them."

[@rocketassistedgoat1079]

Politics. Yes. The reason the F-16 and F-15E were put into production, but the F-20 and F-16XL weren't. Production contracts, within states. Jobs. Votes.

[@joshuaespinoza8325]

Let textron decide

[@c1ph3rpunk]

I’ll built it in my basement for half whatever they’re quoting.

[@Jacksonflax]

@@rocketassistedgoat1079 The F-16XL also bled immense amounts of speed in high AOA manuvers which needless to say, Is a bad characteristic for a fighter to have.

[@SpaceMissile]

What's Task & Purpose's favorite breakfast cereal? Cappy Crunch

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Cappy's getting eaten as cereal? I would have thought he'd be the roast pork at Christmas.

[@DarkSteel361]

Needs to be a task and purpose tshirt

[@brentfellers9632]

Capin

[@EggwardEgghands]

"Before watching consider liking..." I'm not going to pre-order your video man. DICE got me with BFV, I ain't falling for it again.

[@Taskandpurpose]

😂 I hope I have a slightly better track record with my releases than DICE does??

[@EggwardEgghands]

@@Taskandpurpose Hey, as long as you don't release your videos on Origin I'm sold!

[@feelinglikea488]

f uck that game

[@Orinslayer]

Imagine pre-ordering battlefield hardline :P

[@TheEveryDayC]

if the LSAT gets adopted and stays adopted in 2025, black ops 2 will have had an accurate judgement on a future weapon in active military use lol

[@hugofernandez4459]

Yes, but also they put the XM8 even when the proyect whas cancelled years before

[@TheEveryDayC]

@@hugofernandez4459 that was definitely more of a cool factor thing than a realistic prediction

[@SzymonNatanRajca]

Ghost Recon Future Soldier anyone?

[@1stCallipostle]

@@hugofernandez4459 To be technical About 10,00 XM8s were made Now U.S service? No. But Functioning XM8s will probably still exist in 2025 if we really want to give excess credit

[@Schregger]

We will just ignore the fact that their massive usage of drones is not nearly as likely... **news story about army robot dog getting an attached sniper rifle** ...is somewhat more likely than it was about 10 years ago...

[@specialagentdustyponcho1065]

Something to keep in mind is that not all plastics melt. Some, called thermoset plastics, will not melt, and will instead burn or sublimate (turn directly to gas). These are usually the plastics used in high-temperature applications, because they don't soften as temperatures rise, and can normally withstand much higher temperatures. I don't know the specific polymer used in Textron's casings, but it's most likely a thermoset polymer that won't soften or melt as it's heated.

[@samuelbishop3316]

That with the additional case might be a game changer.

[@patricofritz4094]

Plastics are a wide variety of materials you are right

[@alexbraun55]

This.

[@gdolson9419]

The potential problem is would the sublimated plastic cool and re-solidify inside the chamber/barrel? If so BIG problem.

[@clonescope2433]

It's still not something you want when you're dealing with stuff that goes boom.

[@ZURAD]

Hi, I've done a ton of research on this type of ammo and related materials over the past year. The main reason why this ammo shouldn't cook off is similar to why the polymer composite NGSW ammo leaves the chamber cooler. The polymer acts as an insulator when firing and should prevent a large amount of the heat from transferring to the surrounding metal. The energy is more efficiently transferred to the round itself and the polymer should remove most of the rest of it as it's ejected. This insulation goes for rounds that enter the chamber as well. Whatever heat is there will heat the powder much more slowly than if the case was brass or steel. As for the specific type of polymer used, it's likely that this is PEKK or PEEK based on it's temperature resistance and honey-like translucent color. This is an aerospace polymer used in the most demanding of situations where one MUST have the tenacity of metal parts combined with the lightweight, corrosion, and chemical resistance of polymers. Hope that serves as a jumping off point. Sub to my channel for more science-y stuff.

[@jeffersondaviszombie2734]

If the plastic is PEEK, it will be hilariously expensive. I kinda' doubt that it's anything with a price point close to PEEK.

[@alastor8091]

Damn, bro. Whats it like being smart?

[@ZURAD]

@@alastor8091 Life is pain.

[@alastor8091]

@@ZURAD ah, so it doesn't get better.

[@animalanimal7939]

@@ZURAD that’s the other side of the blade

[@devildham]

That stabilization system might succeed even if the overall weapon system doesn't. It's potentially a game changer

[@therocinante3443]

Big time, imagine the gun being able to save sensor points of interest then stabilize itself to them? That's like a soldier's equivalent to a fighter jet's Fire Control Radar. It's crazy and I love it.

[@mauzki-]

Yeah its not gonna be exclusive to the textron bid, it could work great with eg the sig bid.

[@joshuapowell2675]

I think what makes it even better is the ability to mount to any rifle with a lower rail. And consider that a catastrophic failure wouldn't compromise the ability to shoot the rifle. So it can only improve the shooter's ability

[@isosev]

It seems to me it would be more effective with a vertical grip than what it currently is.

[@jamesricker3997]

Even if they don't win the contract for the weapon they will probably win a contract for the stabilization system

[@benv7753]

"fellow bureaucrats" had me dying

[@tomconneely1361]

As a former bureaucrat,I resemble that remark :D

[@rhubarbpie2027]

Plastics are an excellent insulator. Take a single walled stainless steel water bottle and fill it with cold water, you can immediately feel that it is cold. If you do the same with a plastic bottle (Nalgene for example) it takes a moment for the temp of the water to reach your hand. The plastic cased ammo would do a good job at keeping chamber temps down.

[@rhubarbpie2027]

@@mattmurphy7030 fins on the barrel 😏😏😏

[@Jacksonflax]

@@rhubarbpie2027 Equals more weight past the mid pint of the gun, especially if you want big enough fins to actually increase the surface area enough to make much of a difference. It's always a trade off.

[@rhubarbpie2027]

@@Jacksonflax longitudinal cuts in the barrel is what I was referring to, not necessarily a heat sink protruding from the surface. Regardless, I'd rather have a few extra ounces that allowed a larger amount of sustained fire.

[@K3end0]

But wouldn't that be a negative? Wouldn't you want the casing to be a bad insulator, to therefore absorb heat that gets yeet-ed out the gun as the casing ejects? Please explain, i dont really understand.

[@rhubarbpie2027]

@@K3end0 if the heat is kept in the case, the chamber does not get as hot and therefore cook-offs are less likely.

[@CircaSriYak]

If you want to go even deeper into the lore of the NGSW program; have a look at the Mars M19 Mustang rifle that Cobalt Kinetics submitted to the program. It used a novel Long Recoil operation that did away with a gas system entirely. It remains a virtually unknown rifle to this day after its short lived bid. Though it promised to virtually eliminate recoil.

[@Taskandpurpose]

interesting this sounds cool I'll be sure to check it out !

[@2Potates]

@@Taskandpurpose There's not a whole lot on it sadly.

[@jeffersondaviszombie2734]

The Mars is recoil operated. All the advantages they list may be fine and dandy, but everybody that ever even looked up semi-auto shotguns has discovered that the recoil operated ones are really bad when you can't shoulder them properly... i.e. they don't cycle. So forget about firing from improvised positions with a recoil operated long gun. And this is completely inacceptabile for a military long gun.

[@mattrobson3603]

It can't be that unknown. Looking it up, it seems to be for commercial sale. It's like 3500 bucks though, so it's kind of expensive for a 'I think this would be interesting' purchase.

[@tavernburner3066]

So why did it fail?

[@graysonstevens2283]

That was an amazing episode. Great job you sounded like an absolute pro

[@Taskandpurpose]

thanks for the kind words!

[@LDSG_A_Team]

@@emmanuelgoldstein3682 gottem

[@jdisdetermined]

@@emmanuelgoldstein3682 Hack the planet!!

[@thesaddestdude3575]

@@Taskandpurpose The most handsome operator alive! Also nice vid

[@LittleBigVillains]

I'm a plastics engineer, and where others are commenting about the "plasticization point" (The glass transition temperature), that is something that is already in plenty of polymers we use. For example, your polypropylene cutting board is above it's glass transition temperature. The question you asked was about potential for cook-off which is extremely possible with plastics. It's a combination of the temperature and time that will slowly degrade the polymer chain until the chains are degraded enough to ignite. I've worked with plenty of extruders and injection molders that have had the polymer ignite at relatively low temperatures. So, if you were to have a round jam in the chamber, then proceed to melt and degrade in the chamber, there is a real possibility that it could ignite. However, this would negate that they are likely using a heavily filled polymer composite to work with things such as thermal expansion, warpage, etc. These fillers can range from calcium carbonate to copper microspheres, and are used to tailor the polymer properties to what the application needs. Another thing to note: they are probably not using polyolefins such as Polypropylene or polyethylene (which may be more liable to degrading and burning). They are probably using a material like PEEK, or a polysulfone with a high filler loading content to manage the part dimensions and add thermal stability and flame retardation. I do think it's reasonable to assume the issue that is plaguing them is probably more related to dimension retention of a chambered round than it is about exploding ammunition. EDIT: The image at 8:24 almost looks to be Polyetherimide, but that could just be a show model so the round can be seen in the casing.

[@wolverinexo6417]

Does the plastic they use decompose? and if not how would pollution be kept to a minimum?

[@LittleBigVillains]

@@wolverinexo6417 the military isn't really concerned about waste. I'm pretty sure there are studies about toxicity levels due to lead and brass leeching in Iraq (don't quote me on that). But the military sees their job as security above all else, I mean recycling a few hundred shells isn't going to offset the emissions from a single missile launch. It will be it's own new problem, but the composites they are probably using are not in the slightest recyclable. Some people have asked about using recycled filler in the cartridges, but this is simply too high performance of a task to risk using something as unpredictable about recycled filler.

[@wolverinexo6417]

@@LittleBigVillains thanks

[@afinoxi]

I don't think I've seen anything like the mechanism of that gun. It's really cool.

[@anarchyandempires5452]

I think I have, as crazy as this is going to sound the system looks very similar to that used in auto shotguns.

[@SergioBocanegra]

@@anarchyandempires5452 the more complex the more expensive because of maintenance

[@proger1960]

@@SergioBocanegra *Also even harder to field strip it*

[@stewbacca117]

It's very much reminiscent of the Steyr ACR concept drawings from what I can see. Forward feed and push out the empties.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

Reminds me of the feed mechanism found in many LMGs.

[@SilentFL]

Polymers don't melt like other solids, theres a large temperature range where they just get soft and squishy before they turn into a liquid. For this reason, melting point is a little irrelevant. What really matters is the "glass transition temperature" of the polymer. Usually this is much lower than the melting point.

[@sheeeitmayn4384]

Plasticization or whatever tf its called lol when the polymers start to become easier to deform and stretch n all that

[@Pidalin]

Every company tells you that it's polymer or hi-tech plastic or something and it won't melt, but then, it melts, it's very often just lie and propaganda of those companies. But I hope, if this is tested by US military, it's really true.

[@geronimo5537]

Im curious what would happen if this polymer cases softens in a heated barrel. Will it start to stick? Will it cause the weapon to completely seize making the weapon useless? There are so many possibilities that cannot be determined until lots of heavy use can be seen out of the weapon.

[@Taskandpurpose]

Follow me for live updates: instagram.com/cappyarmy/ What do you think of Textron's NGSW 6.8mm bid to replace the M4?

[@svgrogue]

The issue I see is that the ammo doesn't have an obvious front same with the magazine these are minor issues but in the heat of combat these issues could be a real problem. example say the soldier is in a bad firefight and has to dip into his reserve bag, where the .556 magazine has an obvious curve the Textron magazine doesn't. this could cost the soldier a few seconds to reload their weapon, a few seconds that could be the difference between life and death. the same goes for the ammo, traditional rounds have an obvious front where the polymer doesn't. (at least from what I've seen, I could be wrong) if a soldier is given a box of loose ammo how long does it take to refill the empty magazine compared to the M4 and SAW belt and is the new ammo compatible with stripper clips

[@ironstarofmordian7098]

Assuming the polymer ammo can handle stupidly hot and cold climates. I don't think its a bad weapon in the slightest.

[@soonerfrac4611]

Just get the SIG.

[@LonersGuide]

I wanna see that model in WOG!

[@biko9824]

The rifle is ugly, ammo is interesting.

[@ameliamadison4403]

I always enjoy your videos because they're done in a straightforward way that isn't like "stock hard rock music playing in the background wannabe operator" and are given from the perspective of a normal grunt. It's a nice change of pace from the tough guy persona that other channels brand themselves with. Also your haircut looks fresh in this video!

[@icefl4re597]

Task and Purpose, We Are The Mighty, Terminal Lance and Duffel Blog deliberately avoid that tough guy wannabe operator persona.

[@fromontario6954]

I love your government official Schtick so funny/accurate!

[@Taskandpurpose]

watch someone in the comments explain me why the scale of 1-9 on a thermometer is actually the perfect scientific system and not a bunch of bureaucratic waste at all haha

[@buckybarnes5241]

Awesome work, Cappie! I'm super impressed with the research and background you did for this. Keep it up, brother!

[@arnoldsherrill6305]

You're really starting to develop your talent for doing your videos in this type of format keep it up

[@mattb1312]

The 249 always leaves a ton of brass bits all over its insides. Sometimes I’ve even had it absolutely massacre a casing ripping apart like it had a personal vendetta against it. My concern is that maybe these case fragments find their way into parts where the heat is far higher than anything the plastic case is rated to be in contact with. Only now since they’re polymer they can deform or melt making it harder to clean them out. The feeding & ejection designs seem drastically different from the saw which gives me hope it won’t be an issue. Overall as someone who has spent the last 2 years on the 249, I welcome the change and would suck a thousand balls to not have to clean the saw anymore.

[@ravissary79]

The guns function differently. Look at the video. The ammo is pushed through, never pulled, so it can't be torn apart. Also unlike standard ammo, ammo is never fed from the magazine to a chamber that isn't perfectly perpendicular, so no twisting or smashing or bending happens. There's no bottleneck, no "jump" no feed lips or ramps to guide non perpendicular loading... just a push in, a push out. The push out poops it into an ejector unit which throws it out sideways. The only reason it would jam is either unimaginably intense heat, deforming the shape of the ammo or swelling metal parts so they aren't perfectly aligned. That amount of heat would kill any existing design regardless. The other way to kill it would be severe lack of maintenance leading to the parts being misaligned or the small springs giving out. Basic issues that plague all guns.

[@uberlupe1]

A thousand balls?!?

[@boukm3n]

THEY WONT MELT

[@ravissary79]

@@boukm3n 8+ year old tech pushed in rapid fire applications over and over using real life soldiers, famous for breaking everything, pushed to 25,000 rounds... "but but it's plastic, it'll melt!" Lol.

[@jonahpatton8879]

@@boukm3n a thousand balls that won't melt?

[@martyletitbee1519]

I absolutely love your show Cappy btw keep making them. Super informative and entertaining.

[@Reticuli]

Wow. That actually sounds like the Army already made up their mind way back. By law, though, they have to hold a competition anyway. Maybe that's what the NGSW is, just a formality. Personally, I prefer the General Dynamics because I like bullpups, it's got the best silencers in the world right now, and its still-improved ammo can be easily used on other guns. Though the Textron would be one step closer to "10 millimeter explosive-tip caseless."

[@andrewsuryali8540]

The Army didn't make up their mind with the LSAT. What the LSAT program did was force the top brass to admit that it's now possible to improve firearms without the crazy trade-offs of SPIW and the other previous alphabet soup programs. That's why NGSW came about. If anything, the reason the NGSW contenders were told to bring their own ammo designs was because the top brass are still suspicious of the Textron ammo.

[@Reticuli]

@@andrewsuryali8540 Interesting.

[@Mediiiicc]

Would be cool to see a design like this as a bullpup. The forward ejection port solves one of the major problems with bullpups.

[@aridicaexmontaudon1296]

The stock is so far back it would be like the bullpup barret, you would have to shoulder it like an rpg

[@clarkmirkbell880]

Basically A FN FS2000

[@230monsta]

Thank you for your service and great education on what's goin on in the military world...(youtube you hear that educational purpose) 📝👌🏾

[@karltroid5162]

your video presentation skills are improving, cappy ! great work ..

[@TheVicariousone1]

Great work Cappi love the channel

[@Taskandpurpose]

thanks for the words of encouragement

[@chancerNW]

TRL levels are universal terms for tech devlopment not just weapons. But for a wide range of new systems. They are quite easy to understand and help indicate who needs to be engaged with each phase. The indivual projects at each TRL has tends to have 5 to 7 sub phases.

[@popinmo]

It would be cool to see a lever action one day in this round since the mechanism looks similar

[@xxxlonewolf49]

Go live in Cali if you want that nonsensical crap forced onto people, and let it be you.

[@popinmo]

@@xxxlonewolf49 I ment as a cool gun because lever actions are fun since it looks like you could easier chamber a lever action in this round

[@FrankGhal]

@@xxxlonewolf49 dude calm down

[@dclark1980]

@@popinmo How would a lever action have a feed-through chamber? Now you got me curious.

[@popinmo]

@@dclark1980 look at the up and down mechanism you could probably make this round into a lever action

[@majordenboer4990]

I teach JROTC and have just discovered your channel. It's incredibly useful when trying to explain content to my students. Please keep it coming.

[@nicomeier8098]

And here I was, thinking all of these issues had long been resolved with the Heckler and Koch G11. --> which was developed between 1960 - 1980 and was a technical success. Yep, over 40 years ago.

[@Hellfox777]

I love this thing. I love everything about it. I want one for myself as well. Plus the ammo is just head and shoulders above the 556

[@isaiahtorres9022]

keep up the good work 👏👍

[@Taskandpurpose]

thanks for watching and I appreciate the encouragement !

[@ChrissieBear]

This is an incredibly thoughtful look at the subject matter, no bullshit, no sensationalism, just facts.

[@gondorr3460]

You do great research!

[@revolverDOOMGUY]

The most interesting thing for me is that a lot of tech that was before only in tanks is now being transferred to the infantry (as it always does, like radio and night/thermal vision) or so it would seem. For example part of the NGWS is having a balistic computer on your firearm, and i agree it is definetly something that should happen in the forseable future. Cased telescopic ammo was first invented for autocannons, now it is being moved to infantry. A stabilizer has been on tanks since WW2 and i textron is developing this new object for stabilizing an infantyman rifle.

[@dallasmckim4370]

"So this way we know and everyone else is as confused as we are." This line is hilarious and can be applied to so many things. Which is why I turned it into a soundbite

[@MohammedKhan-bt7el]

Ive been waiting for this

[@booniecap2839]

Best vid ive seen you do.

[@ServusIchBins]

To be fair this is the most revolutionary type of ammunition. The other bids are basically upgrades of existing brass ammo and I don’t think the Army is going to spend billions without getting something innovative that clearly separates itself from the competition in a technological aspect. Caseless ammunition is the future.

[@playlistnor]

The textron ammo isn't caseless.

[@bickyboo7789]

The commercial market and no adoption from any modern militaries doesn't seem to indicate that.

[@mauzki-]

This also works opposite in this favour, the US army has spent so long with the m16 platform its steeped in tradition, you don't want to drastically jump that far from something you've been used to for 60 years. So they might be more weary about a drastic change like that.

[@SuperDragonstriker]

Caseless ammunition will *always* be the future. CT works, unlike caseless.

[@gamerbg294]

they missed the opportunity to make the gun a bullpup, but with the magazine in front of the trigger, it was simply changing the design of the bolt and changing the direction in which ammunition is fed/extracted

[@jay-t1030]

Yeah this platform will definitely be on a episode of forgotten weapons 50 yrs from now.

[@Ratkill]

Aw Cappy lookin happy, good stuff

[@junglejim7664]

Cappy, excellent summary and lots of great info. The days of brass cases are numbered. It is just too expensive and resource intensive to continue in the future for military use. For the average shooter, brass will be around for awhile but there is usually a few decades before military issue becomes mainstream.

[@Havre_Chithra]

These new weapons are works of art

[@jeffreykeenan]

The animations looks like a long stroke piston action that will help keep the chamber cooler and cleaner than the direct impingement design of the M4. I'm still kind of skeptical about the moving chamber design. Despite what the company claims, it will eventually jam with a failure to feed, extract, or eject. The main question is how easy those stoppages are to clear.

[@BOOMSTICK-PRODUCTIONS]

Very thorough 🤙🏾

[@RARufus]

Great stuff!

[@boukm3n]

I love this bid man…I think this is better than the Sig admission. This is a toss up between the GD bid and Textron. Sig shouldn’t even touch this bid; it’s horrible

[@cm-pr2ys]

Their LMG seems pretty good though

[@beerthug]

@@cm-pr2ys Sigs ability to start 'mass' production right away, is their main selling point. Futuristic/innovative, seems to be their least point. If the American armed forces are going to pump a 'ton' of money, then having a close to ready factory should be the least of their concerns.

[@KueiJames]

I'm curious how would the assist interpret micro adjusting movements when aiming for longer range targets, or they just shut the whole thing down for it not to interfere with the aim

[@ianmills9266]

If its works like image stabilisation in a camera lens then probably turn it off.

[@adamadams6740]

Very cool! The future of polymers in the ammo is interesting and could do some crazy stuff,and that foregrip that self stabilized way cool!

[@cheyannei5983]

Thanks for the video! It's actually extremely hard to find public information on this rifle. I didn't think Textron would have patented it, so that gives me some reading.

[@wipplewopple1876]

With the Textron feeding system, how does the system prevent the ammo from being pushed too far forward? And if that does happen, would simply cycling a charging handle be enough to reset the system, or would it require maintenance to reset the timing? Also, that aiming device is pretty neat, but it looks pretty far out on the barrel. Is that required, or just artist interpretation? Would it be possible to integrate it into the handguard? Is the camera portion mounted on the device, or could it be mounted at the 6 and the stabilizer placed behind it? Would mounting it to a bipod for marksmen be feasible?

[@andrewsuryali8540]

The spent case ejection chamber is exactly the length of a single case (with a slight tolerance), so the spent case prevents the new round from overextending. If you have a problem with the first round, you just cycle the gun and force the (probably damaged) first chambered round out into the spent case ejection chamber and the next round should chamber properly.

[@FLORATOSOTHON]

Looks interesting but I have two questions about this : 1. How will the plastic casing react to extreme cold? Usually plastic becomes brittle when exposed to extreme cold. 2. How effective is the seal between the moving chamber and the barrel? It looks like a point of gas leakage that will accumulate carbon deposits and cause problems if not cleaned regularly. Don't forget that old revolver pistols always had a small leak at the same point of the gun.

[@playlistnor]

Even new revolvers had similar problems, but rapid fire chainguns seems to have solved it.

[@jic1]

@@playlistnor Where do chain guns have a gas leakage point?

[@jic1]

@@piisfun If that was worth doing, most revolvers would be Nagant clones.

[@FLORATOSOTHON]

@@piisfun True, but here you will have very high pressure chambers. the requirement for 3000+ fps out of a 16" barrel is expected to create pressures of about 90000 psi, much higher than the 55000psi of the M4 and the 70000psi on 7.62 x51 rifles. It must be some sealing mechanism...

[@FLORATOSOTHON]

@@playlistnor Given the high chamber pressure requirements of about 90000 psi it will be an interesting thing to watch for. The 5.56 X 45 chambers have a 55000 psi limit and the 7.62 x 51 chambers have a 70000 psi limit.

[@JustanOlGuy]

Without change there is no growth...Top Shelf as usual...Thanks fer sharing...

[@BlackdogADV]

Excellent video!

[@Taskandpurpose]

thanks glad you liked it!

[@brianmoore1164]

Problem isn't cookoffs. Problem is the environmentals. Military ammo has to be able to sit in storage at sub zero or 120 degrees for months and still work. Plastics don't like that. It has to be able to sit in the sun with the UV exposure for months and still work. Plastics don't like that. It has to be able to sit in 96% humidity for months and still work. Plastics don't like that. They absorb water and water and gunpowder don't play well together. That combined with a firearm that looks like an advertisement for jams that would take several minutes to clear make this DOA. So hope they don't fall for this. They killed a bunch of our men before with this "you don't have to clean it" lie.

[@WollyEZ-110]

I can definitely see how this system could be super advantageous. There have been many times when I was still learning the M4 system that I have double fed while laying in the prone position and accidentally putting a slight amount of pressure on the magazine. It looks like this would help prevent that from happening. I’m no weapons expert though so take that with a grain of salt

[@valiant545]

I'll say it a little nicer than Smith did lol. Good modern mags don't have the same feeding issues as old beat to death GI mags had when used as a monopod in the prone, it's just an issue with old beat to death mags. I haven't had nor have any of my friends had a malfunction while resting on the mag in the prone. Just thought I'd let you know. Stay safe friend, and God bless.

[@otm646]

Modern magazines especially those with the over insertion stop don't have this issue. You can literally use the magazine as a monopod and it's not going to mis feed on you. Is that a bad practice because there's a chance you might induce a failure? Yes, but it's not like the old rifles at all.

[@LethalByChoice]

Eh. I disagree. It's an overly complicated system that doesn't make any sense and its going to be much harder to field strip AND maintain. It's also more expensive and the only logical system this could work for is bullpup rifles as it requires a longer gun because the chambering takes up more space.

[@DmonicAlex]

That stabilizer is pretty slick!

[@Betoslavich18]

You got me good with the thermometer skit.

[@brycepatterson9667]

Ok I gotta say at first I thought this would be the last choice but after seeing all this... if they actually solved the heat problem I'd pick this one over the others easy

[@dclark1980]

Both True Velocity and Textron seem to have solved the heat problem. Both appear to leave the chamber cool to the touch after strings of fire.

[@cmeist1]

Another good question is, how much will that fancy ammo cost?

[@2Potates]

True Velocity's poly case .308 ammo costs $3 a piece, this stuff i'd say $4.

[@dudearlo]

Who ever did the materials and lighting for that animation needs a damn raise :D

[@SpaceMissile]

that grip at the end is 👌

[@meadball1]

I've always wondered why they haven't tried putting one of those camera stabilizing gyros onto a firearm. I mean, taking a picture vs taking a shot isn't really that different. I don't know what it would do with the force of the recoil but standing there holding a rifle one handed and still being able to aim would be pretty kick ass!

[@SenorGato237]

The big issue with plastic cases is that they are thermally insulative instead of conductive, like brass is. This means that they won't absorb (sink) heat from the chamber and remove it from the system during ejection. HOWEVER, most heat in the chamber comes the burning propellent gas via the brass casing. This SHOULD mean that the chamber will take longer to heat up in the first place (since its primary source of heat is coming from the barrel), and more of that system heat is being pushed down the barrel, which would put more of a thermal load on the barrel. This means the barrel needs to be able to absorb more heat (usually more mass) and be able to dissipate more heat (like with fluting). An engineering challenge, sure, but doable. Rounds cooking off in the chamber was an issue with caseless rounds, because the chamber is being heated directly by the propellant gas (no case) and then the propellant block of the next round is coming into direct contact with the heated chamber.

[@nouseformyname3788]

Rounds cooking off in the chamber is not an issue at all with any of the US military's belt fed machine guns, because all of the belt fed machine guns in current service fire from the open bolt.

[@saint474747]

@@nouseformyname3788 not entirely true, sometimes malfunctions happen where the sear doesn't engage. I have witnessed a cook-off on a FN MAG. Sargent almost wanted to call an ND. Poor fella

[@nouseformyname3788]

@@saint474747 Good point, good point.

[@2x2is22]

You are offering straight premium coverage of the military. I hope you got O's like that guy from the JLTV video just pounding on your door to be on this show

[@tylerdruskoff9689]

So excited to see developments in the new NSFW project their working on. Sure to yield so amazing results.

[@Nickrioblanco1]

Thank you for your great work. This whole Textron submission is very suspicious. Why has it been around for so long and never adopted? Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Textron the only company that would not let you test fire their weapon(s)? Why did you have to go through so much trouble to research this system, are they hiding something? This concept seems too risky. Especially with the current economic crisis this country (USA) is going through.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Mind that the military has programs that never go anywhere. Nothing suspicious about things that drag on for years and don't get adopted.

[@griffith5269]

Textron's LSAT submission was so promising it directly led to the NGSW program, you can look up the history of it, but basically they demonstrated the LSAT 6.5mm Carbine + a 7.62 CT MMG with a prototype smart optic to the chiefs of staff, and it basically inspired the whole NGSW program

[@mikesuch9021]

I believe HK tried this before. Seems I seen it at the SHOT SHOW in the 80s. The only thing I can see holding this up is there figuring out how to charge $20,000 for each rifle.

[@markknivila8383]

If the Army goes with this plastic ammo, I sure hope it works as advertised! Our troop's.will pay dearly, if it doesn't! Great video, brother!

[@ericperez4341]

Awesome video

[@335449286]

Textron has the most neato weapon of the NGSW I hope they win I would love to see fire arms advance to go into this world of plastics

[@mauzki-]

it looks cool, but its hard to say how it would actully peform, my dosh is on the sig big as its so simmilar to what is used rn, but it does look nice either way.

[@335449286]

@@mauzki- yuppers that seems like the safest bet because it doesn't rock the boat allot (if any lol) but it would be nice to see firearms I guess "change"

[@beerthug]

Sig just seems like an upgrade in caliber to an already existing rifle.

[@mauzki-]

@@beerthug essently, its just a decked out AR10 with some gas system changes. Think AR18 elements mixed into an AR10 and then decked out like an sa80 a3

[@hackymcgogglesface7561]

0:20 "It might be the most revolutionary firearm we've seen in over a century". *Laughs in StG44 (1943), SPIW XM-14 (1951), G11 (1974), and Steyer ACR (1987)*

[@2Potates]

Don't forget the OICW.

[@hackymcgogglesface7561]

@@2Potates Ah yes, the integral airburst programable bull-pup grenade launcher. Truly a wonder of Cold War engineering, for better or for worse.

[@2Potates]

@@hackymcgogglesface7561 Also it had a under-slung 5.56 carbine or something.

[@earljohnson2676]

Oh I would of loved that I couldn’t tell you how many miles I logged with the 240 my load out was like 100 lbs and I’m a mess today knee n hip problems horrible. These videos are cool to watch ty

[@-scgg-gg7938]

nice vid thanks

[@fokjohnpainkiller]

Inb4 the DoD, in their infinite wisdom, picks SIGs nothingburger "innovative" hybrid case over this

[@nutlmao2737]

I’m not a fan of sigs nsgw, but they do have an edge when it comes to mass manufacturing

[@looseygoosey1349]

They should really ignore Sig in my opinion. I mean the whole program is based on advanced technologies and sig just aint it.

[@fokjohnpainkiller]

@@looseygoosey1349 If Sig wins it'll be a sad day for sure

[@jacktheaviator4938]

The SIG is the best choice BECAUSE their hybrid ammo uses improvements of existing tech and doesn't use bleeding edge tech. Beware of huge leaps in technology, they pretty much always fail. If you want an example of a program that was WAAAY too ambitious, look at the SPEW program from the 60s-80s...how much money did we dump into that program for NOTHING? All of those super cool prototypes, case less ammo, and bleeding edge tech, but all of it was far too ambitious. We don't need a super high tech fancy space rifle. We should be shooting for incremental improvement...which is exactly what SIG did with their hybrid ammo.

[@PhillipAmthor]

Interesting how they go from 5,56 to 6,8. In the future they will use 10mm just to get through the armor lol

[@jroch41]

SUPER interesting. Thanks, Chris. Textron's plastic ammo weighs less, and so does General Dynamics ammo. Will you do a review on the General Dynamics NGSW & ammo like you did for the Textron?

[@TheBrohomie]

The aim stabilizer seems like an excellent idea

[@nicholasgmatthews]

Game devs: aim assist isn’t real, it can’t hurt you Cappy: Actually….

[@Nobody-iv2ot]

I can’t stop laughing at the “mechanical aim assist.”

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Next complaint made against us at the UN is that we're all cheaters with aim bots.

[@Taskandpurpose]

crazy device right? lol I've never seen it before the other day

[@markwallace1727]

Combining the stabilisation handpiece with the next gen scopes could be such a huge game changer. As long as you don't end up with a keyboard on the side of the weapon. They'd have to be properly integrated to work together & use the same buttons.

[@niteowl9733]

Like a hand held recoil stabalizer. Very cool.

[@_lonewolf_7917]

I absolutely despise where the ejection port is on the Textron rifle. It’s right where your hand would go.

[@JasperMorgan1]

IT SHOULD EJECT STRAIGHT OUT THE FRONT, RIGHT? A LA F2000?

[@Excalibur01]

Despite some outward changes to guns, firearms hasn't really changed much from 100 years ago and neither has the gunpowder.

[@jantschierschky3461]

Well actually a bit versus 100 years ago, semi ( very few) and full auto rifles did not exist, submachineguns were in the early phase. If you said 75 you be closer to that point.

[@Excalibur01]

@@jantschierschky3461 Exaggerating the number but you understand what I mean. The idea that we're still using weapons that were used in WWI. Browning tilting barrel action is in most popular handgun. Hell Browning 50 cal is still being used. Simple blow back is still being used. Bullets hasn't changed much.

[@jantschierschky3461]

@@Excalibur01 well there had been different systems for hand guns gas, straight blowback etc however guns like glock have been very reliable, easy to manufacture etc so till there are energy weapons things will stay that way. 9mm was invented over 100 years ago and has become standard over the 100 or so different pistol calibres. There are multiple new calibres but few found acceptance like 338 etc. So the mechanical operation has settled. Again till there are energy systems available nothing much more will change

[@r0cketplumber]

Coupled with a camera, that stabilization system could do small corrections to improve aim after the camera acquires the target. Something like TrackingPoint but simpler.

[@robertskimatalk3344]

The clean shaved look is an improvement! Squared Away!

[@colegstreet]

UNCIRCUMCISED BULLET!!

[@Manhattan_project.420]

i want Textron to win, the only technological advancement here.

[@nekomakhea9440]

The firing mechanism cartridge elevator kinda reminds me of the swing-breach autocannons they experimented with on the HSTV-L tank. It looks like it moves on a cam groove, rather than a pivot like the HSTV-L's cannon, though both used telescoped ammo.

[@riphaven]

i used the LSAT in Arma 3, never had any issues with it. the only problem i did find is i couldn't find a suppressor at the traders. but overall, very happy with it.

[@AlexLee-dc2vb]

I'm gonna be so surprised if the military doesn't take the opportunity to keep using all the magazines and pouches on plater carriers that it already has in inventory by adopting a cartridge other than the modified 5.56

[@jic1]

But none of the cartridges in the competition are a "modified 5.56", and none will fit in an M4 magazine. Unless you mean that the army will likely end up just keeping the M4 and will at most just replace the SAW with one of the 6.8 options, in which case I agree with you.

[@beerthug]

Lots of 20rd pouches available in Canada from when we switched to the C7, I could only imagine how many are stockpiled in the States from the M14. And if not, well they're not the hardest things to make!

[@GeorgeCowsert]

I really hope textron doesn't win the m4 replacement. That abomination of a rifle is too complicated for it's own good, the ammo it uses has no practical advantage due to how many engineering challenges it creates, and all around it's just too damn bulky. You can't even get a good grip anywhere that isn't all the way at the front of the gun!

[@christiankeen1644]

Glad he made this, no one else has given them much thought.

[@rock_ok]

it has great potential. but further test in every environment is still needed. I remember the german typewriter machine gun that has caseless casing didn't implement though or may be the only problem of this ammunition if there are fake ammunition in the market it might derail the safety of the person who fires.

[@bonger3751]

can i get a Hoah?

[@HHHHHH-hc8sh]

no

[@samsonsoturian6013]

No.

[@SpaceMissile]

2:32

[@mrchocolatebean8878]

fuck the replies HOAH

[@Taskandpurpose]

you can get infinite hooah's from me x2

[@conormcmaster1113]

just ewwwwww

[@chrisbosco8135]

What’s wrong with it? Cause that’s the reaction I had to sig and textrons (don’t think I spelled that right) abominations

[@chrisbosco8135]

This ones pretty sexy imo and has the most Innovation

[@LethalByChoice]

@@chrisbosco8135 1) It's overly complicated 2) It's more expensive, 3) Maintenance will be a bitch 4) It'll be more difficult to field strip and clean. 5) it's system doesn't make any logical sense for combat. They should just develop a polymer casing to use, or just put those millions they're pissing away towards.. oh I don't know.. fucking caseless ammunition. 6) That ejection port being placed there is stupid, right where your hand will be. 7) The gun will be heavier 8) The gun will be longer because of the extended chambering system 9) The falling block action is stupid as fuck and guarantees that this gun will never be full auto. Overall I see very little advantage in a system like this that you wouldn't get from simply developing caseless or polymer casings. The standard system has worked for decades, why change it?

[@THEdanrugaming]

Reminds me of the Steyr ACR system and polymer cases, though Steyr attempted a flechette and sabot projectile

[@pattyb6003]

Fuck. This is some high quality shit you been pumping out lately!