TF2's Problematic Learning Curve

[@stuckonaslide]

it's like "i suck" for like 300hrs and then one day "oh shit this is kinda easy ngl"

[@iambeepbop2452]

im at 1400 hours and i still suck

[@ME0WMERE]

@@iambeepbop2452 how do you use mouse acceleration? edit: lmao I made this comment before I had basically any experience in tf2. I was genuinely serious.

[@waaave564]

2000 hours here, no mouse acceleration, got a normal mouse speed, computer isn't wack, ping is (usually) fine at somewhere around 40 - 80 usually. still get dominated by gibus snipers occassionally, and am remotely useless around competent or higher skill players.

[@dr.cranium9080]

@@waaave564 sens?

[@globaljuke3496]

@@waaave564 even when we suck its still fun, when will i get bored of this game

[@jjurss7263]

"gets updated every week and has an active development team" *Cries in 2019*

[@scottmad8563]

Yea, the development team went down the learning curve backwards

[@s942]

*cries in 2020*

[@jonarr911]

the development team was never active, we always only got like 1 or 2 updates every year

[@iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii6288]

*SOBS IN 2020*

[@Max35600]

*still cries in 2020*

[@googism8482]

Valve: Huh, we have a steep learning curve. Let's add more cosmetics

[@SpecterReaper]

WHALÉ _ Gaben: We need to make THREE Employee: Y-you don't mean... Gaben: THREE NEW WEAPONS! Soldier: New weapons? Gaben: For Pyro, then Heavy in the year 133742036066 Soldier: ............AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@skaikaao]

Valve: The tf2 community is asking for balances and fixes? Let’s add more crates and cosmetics!

[@IndigoTail]

Gaben: We will add more weapons and cosmetics! Employees: Sound cool! Gaben: ...then add those tiny level labels just to mess with new players. (The Death Rider: Level 10 hat) (Shortstop: Level 1 pepper gun)

[@clementtompel7558]

And weapons and maps

[@clementtompel7558]

And weapons

[@Redacted_Ruler]

“Has a active dev team” *7 years later* ...

[@cubirk]

Ded

[@whydoiexist2180]

Pain

[@ΝΙΚΟΣΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ-ρ1γ]

I am located in the country which is named Spain but the S has been removed.

[@CanCur]

If I'm correct, the majority of the development team switched on other projects like the half life vr, which is now HL alyx since around 2017, the fact that valve went too ambitious on game concepts but not focusing on the game engine(source 2), and other stuff that made valve completely silent on these years according to Tyler Mcvicker a d The Final Hours of Half-life Alyx.

[@clashoclan3371]

The Saxxys which gave numerous sfm animators motivation to animate. .....

[@kostathomas8732]

TF2 doesn't have a learning curve, it has a learning cliff

[@anotherwiseunpleasantperso2147]

more like a learning edge of the universe

[@yourecompletelyrightbut4677]

WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT? IS THIS A MEME? PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS A GODDAMN MEME. It's overwatch players right? Right? Please tell me you guys are just fucking casuals

[@Haispawner]

Kosta Thomas No, it's a huge canyon, and you're at the bottom.

[@sabersahoge2695]

learning wall of death

[@VentA_7]

You're completely right but, I mean he could be meaning you got to climb up a cliff to get good, but idk for sure

[@FUNKe]

- I do talk about the tutorials available ingame. Watch before you comment. - The F6 is a suggestion, not an existing feature. - Difficult Learning Curves do NOT mean it's impossible to learn the basics of the game. It means the game is difficult to IMPROVE at. Don't misconstrue the idea that i'm saying the game is impossible to learn the basics of. - I'm not praising overwatch, i'm comparing what I think it does better and what it does worse. - I never said it's impossible to learn the game. I said it's unnecessarily difficult for the majority of unfamiliar players. - I'm not saying TF2's learning curve is one of the hardest in gaming, I'm saying it's harder than it should be for its genre. - It's not a dead game, it's a stagnant game with wasted potential. - Once again, i've played the game casually for 5 years, competitively for three and made videos for two. These are the opinions i've gathered over that timeframe. If you disagree, leave something constructive. I'm more than open to fair criticism. - Thank you for all the suggestions to delete my channel- I've decided not to for now.

[@DreadedGhoul575]

I'd like to see co-op vs ai on tf2.

[@TheTrueSephirothLP]

>liking your own comment

[@FUNKe]

You think it's stupid but i've got to do everything I can to make people read this shit.

[@DreadedGhoul575]

It's for people to notice, especially if it's an important message/note.

[@jackdude756]

I jumped into TF2 and didn't know a single thing, but I learned how to do everything, see I get your point but they want you to make your own style of gaming experience.

[@FUNKe]

did you actually watch it or did you just scroll down to comment early? For shame.

[@gaycob5038]

FUNKe yes I did

[@notreal4926]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@gavyngiese1263]

yes, im sorry daddy

[@TheeOK1]

FUNKe why not both?

[@Xipheria]

I watched the video... until 7:42. I paused in the grandpa.. :l Still, you forgot fps.

[@jensen365]

10:16 Somehow, TF2 gets the highest player base of all time, breaking records by doing, almost nothing literally

[@terencetan9744]

TF2 wins by doing absolutely nothing

[@giedrius2149]

The only winning move is not to play

[@rustypatriot4335]

TF2 fans have Stockholm Syndrome

[@ioaz4579]

well now we know why

[@ME0WMERE]

Funny that. Almost as if the players aren't real people.

[@SC-iq2ho]

8:18 Notice how the learning curve for Paladins isn't a completely straight line. It gently goes up a little, and comes back down again.

[@finmin2k]

lmao funke recently said he got really into paladins... dissing paladins though

[@gasternecross]

@@finmin2k it was good when we didnt have overwatch on switch

[@voidkirb5477]

@@gasternecross It was good when the devs didn't ruin it.

[@Josh-oj9mm]

Paladins actually probably has the highest learning curve, at least for the very start. I decided to start playing it, but after five minutes of seeing all the classes and customized stats, i just went "fuck this" and closed the game

[@finmin2k]

@@Josh-oj9mm that's a lack of dedication, not a steep learning curve.

[@jonandsn]

9:16 "spy should be able to stab when in front of enemies" he has to be trolling

[@the_Red_Star]

Of course he is, it was probably written by funke himself to mock the stereotypical attitude of HL players

[@Infantryman-ct7qt]

I mean, technically it already does. It's just not a backstab.

[@SnoozingtonnMusic]

I like that idea. the trolling part is the stab while cloaked

[@oddodyssey7231]

The part after it is so much worse

[@victorbakhuis4558]

It's Reddit, what do you think?

[@bpatide]

Now that F2P's can't chat, The Learning Curve is much more wack.

[@bpatide]

@Alvi Syahri That much is certain, Bots won't enter Pubs.

[@bpatide]

@@ben33it oOF, That's probably the worst feeling possible man.

[@bpatide]

@@ben33it I just recently got premium, so I 100% feel you man.

[@cilantromcghee3092]

That's a thing?! I was wondering why I suddenly couldn't chat after returning to the game after a couple years of absence. I thought I had been muted or that it had something to do with steam, not that it was an actual feature of the game!

[@bpatide]

@@cilantromcghee3092 Yeah dude. The bots are the cause

[@calor023]

this aged like both a fine wine and moldy milk

[@awanderer3047]

That one wine that you pass over for years

[@sydssolanumsamsys]

he thought the updates were bad in 2016

[@twin_towers_destroyer]

@@sydssolanumsamsysmeet your match sucked …

[@fredapel6039]

Luckily for me, i discovered the community before the actual game, so i did my homework and then downloaded the game

[@m0j026]

Exactly the same for me. I automatically changed my settings even before entering a game.

[@t1sd3d]

Almost same for me, I watched piemations videos and then got the game so I knew what the game was about

[@aaronking2020]

Same.

[@SirBalageG]

I’ve always wondered what makes someone born after 2000 play this crap, I mean I used to have fun with it but there are cool shooters out there nowadays, better then what we had

[@m0j026]

@@SirBalageG The thing is, not because something was made in the past means that it can't be fun, or a good experience. A bit of an extreme example, but think of old arcade games, like Pac-Man, or Space Invaders, or hell, even Pong. I got Pac-Man downloaded on my phone because it still holds up as a fun game. It's not immersive, and the graphics won't blow anyone's mind, but it's a nice time killer at the very least. TF2 holds up after all these years for a lot of reasons. The artstyle is timeless, better than "Ultra realistic USA soldier simulator No. 86". It also helps hide the polygons on the characters, meaning that even today the models don't look cheap or old. As someone new to the game, there is a lot of content to experience, despite the community starving for new things. And also, the whole trading thing isn't in most modern shooters other than CSGO, which is also made by Valve. These are just some of the reasons I think TF2 is still a great game, I don't really think it has been outclassed in all fronts by new shooters.

[@bronzekilla]

Tf2 would be literally the best shooter of all time if valve would just do something to fix it.

[@stuckonaslide]

if its this good with such a shit dev team. imagine if it had an active dev team that cared. it survived 13 years with an alcoholic abusive dad of a dev team. if it had better devs nothing better could come out. it would be the gold standard.

[@gin1328]

@@stuckonaslide survived with an existing dev team we arent even sure if it still has one besides the janitor and the plant

[@tShuka_]

Theres no way that tf2 can go any better than this. Tf2 is like the casual game that you just play for fun with friends.

[@bpatide]

@@tShuka_ or you know, those Radical Competitive people.

[@trombonetimmy1064]

@@stuckonaslide lmao

[@JJHatter]

“It gets updated every other week...” Me in 2019: PAIN

[@xyf_blaze8186]

Jack Hardie LIFE IS PAIN

[@yushothu201]

When he said that i for reals wanted to cry

[@gozol9646]

Me in 2020: even more pain.

[@vuelle9816]

Every single f2p in 2020: haha I wish lol

[@Baddestdeath]

Its August now and.... thats will PAIN

[@Brijor-]

7:45 “the game gets updated every other week” the year is 2021 this line fills me with Old memories of playing the game with my friends who long since gone to college :(

[@fiazbot5921]

I think the descriptions on the character select screen are part of the reason there are so many clueless spy mains. Spy has the most bullet points, so a new player will think, "Woah! Look at all the stuff this guy can do! I should play as him." and select the Spy.

[@cilantromcghee3092]

Plus the ability to go invisible, and one shot enemies. It's probably pretty attractive to new players.

[@m0j026]

After hearing all of the warnings telling me not to play as spy, I did it anyways, got my ass kicked, and I still don't know what I was expecting.

[@zilet7844]

@@m0j026 it human nature, for example: someone says don't google that! -Then everyone google that because they CAN. Spy is my most played class but I I'm in regret. Kind of a love/hate relationship because I would like to master the big boys like soldier or demo...

[@earkt8989]

People play spy cause he look badass he smokin he look edgy

[@cinemalazare4850]

@@nikachitidze7219 am pretty sure u were topscoring cuz dam the revolver is so underratade

[@DWN037]

7:45 "It gets updated every other week." We get it, FUNKe. You're a stand-up comedian.

[@nomblob5592]

Do you even check the date the video was made?

[@azirul9311]

@@nomblob5592 firstly,this comment is a fucking joke. Secondly,this was fucking two years ago. YOU need to check the date dumbfuck

[@kirbylore4883]

@@azirul9311 1 month ago is still 2020, Henry made the comment 2 years ago, That would be 2018. Oh would you look at that, this was made in 2016.

[@azirul9311]

@@kirbylore4883 and?

[@kirbylore4883]

@@azirul9311 What do you mean and? There is a fucking 2 year age gap between the comment Henry made and when this video was made.

[@blockydogy1188]

I just started playing tf2 this weekend and this was literally my expirience. Joined a match, chose pyro, didn't even know how to switch weapons, tried to use the tutorial, was broken, tried to figure it out for a couple hours, and gave up.

[@blockydogy1188]

Will Howard there. Exactly the problem with the game. You need years of work and I don’t have that time.

[@Plant_btw]

K so I'm kinda late but your better off watching KZbin tutorials on learning, I have only 200 hours and I started by watching people like delfy

[@YT-cn4yf]

@@Plant_btw thing is, you shouldn't have to watch countless tutorials to be decent at a game. I never watched an overwatch video and got pretty good at it naturally. That's impossible with tf2

[@Plant_btw]

@@YT-cn4yf yea, valve just kind of dumps off the player after a very basic tutorial

[@bingusbongus1912]

i kept using the mouse scroll wheel to switch weapons until i accidentally pressed q and realised it was a much easier way of doing it

[@Gekk-rx7nv]

I started playing a few months ago with some friends, and although I enjoy the game , I always feel underpowered compared to the rest of the lobby. What are contracts? What is the meta? I have no fucking clue.

[@SirBalageG]

It’s up to you what’s meta, there are dozens of sub-classes, your build is about countering enemy, eg you don’t bring kritzkrieg against 3 turtle engies, you don’t use soldier against airblast pyro etc Seriously you can ask me anything about the game, I’ll help where I can

[@Gekk-rx7nv]

@@SirBalageG Thanks m8. I have been experimenting with airblast, but I just can't get it right. Maybe I just have a lack of depth perception, or I just need to practice

[@goji3908]

@@Gekk-rx7nv same, I suck at airblasting.

[@goji3908]

@@Gekk-rx7nv Oh and contracts are basically challenges that gift you items for doing them, but most of the contracts require you to buy a ticket to do them. But there are the pyroland contracts which are free to do.

[@drumboarder1]

The stock weapons are basically the best weapons for every character which is why most comp players use them

[@Bonjemus]

New players : we need tutorial! Valve : Let's add more cosmetics.

[@jackmoseley4959]

Valve needs to fix their game. Literally the most I knew of how to play tf2 before starting was from repeated viewings of Lazypurple’s “How it feels” vids. Frankly, MvM would be a better tutorial then what we actually have. Gameplay is different, but you have time to learn: “Okay, the robots like coming through here, so I’ll use this sentry gun my teammates told me about here!” BOOM, learned about chokepoints. “Hey, those guys are healing the big robot! Ima kill them with this sniper rifle” Suddenly, it was learned how to prioritise targets. “Uh oh, the bombs about to blow! Wait, Mouse 2?... HOLY $#%@ I HAVE A KNOCKBACK” Tada, basic pyro! That sounds good on paper, since the “Coach” system went out the window.

[@fenn_fren]

*Valve:* banana hat!

[@austinb3832]

if valve just gave incentive to coach (maybe they add a system where you gain some kind of points that you can spend on cosmetics, and youd get more the better ratings you get?) and made the coaching system better, the learning curve would still be high, but if a new player knew what coaching was, it would be a lot easier if they made the changes i mentioned

[@superiorspidey3384]

If by valve u mean the 2 monkeys on crack that maintain the game ur statement is true

[@Bonjemus]

@@superiorspidey3384 lmao

[@dwarvenmoray]

I just got TF2 today. I freaking love it, but by God, what the hell is going on. After two years of knowing what it is & watching gameplay videos, I can only really play against bots. Edit: After nearly a year, I'd say I'm doing pretty well, & I can confidently play all the classes on any pubs server.

[@hanthitsaing8091]

Wanna add me in steam? I can help you if u want, im around southeast asia.

[@greenmachine9]

JEBEDIAH KERMAN Lol I had this exact experience when I started playing a month ago

[@lemonade9075]

@@greenmachine9 even though I did mountains of research I still don't feel confident enough to play against real players and it sucks T-T

[@elementalclockwork]

Lucky u get bots I started In 2011 ohhh boy those days were full of shit

[@alexchao2602]

Bots are somewhat predictable and can't tell a spy unless touched or disguised in front of them, and humans can make something odd happen

[@FUNKe]

Clarification: F6 doesn't DO that, I'm saying it would be a good idea. I'd correct it in the video but endcards disable annotations..

[@lonelylemon858]

FUNKe i got confused for a second and then i realised this is tf2 we're talking about

[@cantflyforshit]

FUNKe thanks for clarifying I had no idea that was possible

[@raptor3406]

Funke are you dying slowly

[@maukator9907]

FUNKe im so fuckin tierd i was like did i ever prees f6 (i just fell asleep) i need to get to my cumputer and then i notis it hasint bin a day sins i fell asleep inthe middel of the sentince also the traing probubly dosent work becaus of your hud mine also stopt then but it cud just be a coincedint i use it on my laptop on my second acount to teach my girlfrend how to play the game

[@nurbekj9709]

OK, U know Team Fortress 2 is almost 10 year old and it's still getting updates and loved by millions, New players can just start learning from keep playing it. If New players wants to learn how to play Team fortress 2, they can watch KZbin. and Yes I do agree Over-watch is good game.

[@godbobo4088]

Honestly, I’ve never played TF2. I don’t own a computer capable to play it and I probably won’t any time soon. But I’ve watched so many videos, essays, guides, and content in general about TF2 to the point that I’ve been taught about a good bit of the complex mechanics, so in a way I have gotten a proper tutorial on the game, without ever even playing it.

[@fnytnqsladcgqlefzcqxlzlcgj9220]

tf2 can have ita graphics whittled to the bone, theres no way you cant play it unless you have a low end laptop from 2006

[@goofyahdemoman1134]

@@fnytnqsladcgqlefzcqxlzlcgj9220 he probably still has windows 95

[@arbitercs]

I ran it using some fps tweak mods and managed to get it running around 40-50 fps on a notebook when I was around 12, it looked like shit but still really fun.

[@calcutt4]

TF2s graphics have changed very little since 2007. It will work on anything except a low end PC with Windows 98

[@phoenixvance6642]

If you want a realistic expectation of the lowest end computer that can run it, I played it on a celeron n4000 computer ($200USD in 2018) on integrated graphics with 4GB of ram. With all the performance config tweaks I could manage and 720p resolution, i got 15-24 frames per second depending on the amount of players and what was going on. It's rougher than 144fps, and it will occasionally be the reason you die, and the lower resolution hurts long range visibility, but it's still possible to have a great game and do well. If you have any cpu+igpu pair equivalent to or stronger than an N4000, you can play and enjoy tf2

[@regg41]

6:37 Top blu dude has ONE ping

[@xavierrodriguez2463]

He's actually at valve headquarters plugged right into the server with an Ethernet cable

[@antarticstorm7991]

@@xavierrodriguez2463 lol

[@Emeowy]

@@xavierrodriguez2463 WELL SHIET

[@khornate01thedestroyerofis11]

R Egg might be the host on a community server

[@StrzelbaStian]

You can actually change your displayed ping in the console

[@shemshem9998]

“Don’t tell me the game being old is a excuse, it gets updated every other week and has a active development team while staying in the top 5 on steam at all times” that did not age well, not at all

[@trigger796]

That hurt to hear when he said that

[@gamegladi8or669]

And even the best current way to learn (loading tips) the majority of them aren’t even correct because they’re outdated.

[@shtuffs]

wait really?

[@InternetTAB]

Or you're on sm SSD and they whiz by

[@Bondubras]

Or they're preset text that completely disregard any hotkey edits.

[@bahg4226]

@@bobth6095 some stuff about the vita-saw or the pretty boy's pocket pistol is wrong

[@fenn_fren]

_As a Spy, press to switch teams in your disguise kit._

[@unfunnyserbian]

"Geting updated every month" i forgot this was 4 years ago

[@Gaminggoodboi]

now it's been 7

[@finalshade8592]

I started Playing TF2 recently. All I knew was the things I saw in videos. Things like: Engineer builds things, Spy can sap them and backstab, Pyro can reflect rockets, Scout can double jump, Heavy is basically a tank, Soldier has Rocket Jumping, and Sandviches can be used by a Heavy to heal. That's pretty much it. And now, I have only 2-3 hours played on each class, and I'm aware of my strong points and weak points, like how I'm a terrible Scout and don't trust my teammates enough to not br spies to play as Medic well without seeming like a Battle Medic, and have terrible, TERRIBLE Sniper aim, and that I'm a moderately good Pyro and Soldier, while also being an okay Spy. Despite that, I have no idea what I'm doing half the time.

[@rednidedni3875]

Alexander Richmond I can help You out if You want. If You Do, add me on steam

[@mrbigcheese0]

cmon you are just bad

[@ItsYee64]

same

[@phoenix_egs3045]

well are you imediatly good at lets say overwatch? after 2-3 hours on each hero?

[@flamingnebula6696]

You know more than most pyro mains (I am joking I actually mained pyro for a bit)

[@Anzyll]

I'm self-taught, and it took me around 400 hours to have general knowledge of each weapon, class, and other basic shit. So yeah, a tutorial could have been nice.

[@JokullFreyr]

Ambiticus Huh, took me around half that time. Were you watching a lot of KZbin videos as well?

[@RajasVids]

guarantee you didn't know shit after 200 hours

[@JokullFreyr]

shibbyfoo929 I promise, I did. But I probably had spent along side that around 400 on KZbin. When I get obsessive with a game I get very obsessive. I mean like spending all day either playing or watching it.

[@JokullFreyr]

shibbyfoo929 I mean, I wasn't maybe that good, but I knew a lot about the game, about weapons and such

[@averagefnafhaterwhoalsohas7502]

Who do you main?

[@Jensen6297]

I quit playing TF2 because i had no idea how to really play it. I tried really hard how to do all the stuff i would watch my team do and have no idea why i would fail. Now i know from you that there are things i can learn from the community. Ill give it a try again.

[@ImAlpharius]

Watch Mr. Paladin and uncle Dane

[@bingusbongus1912]

there are a few good subreddits as well that you can check out like r/newtotf2

[@waltzleafington363]

7:40 "gets updated every single week" oh God. How far we've fallen

[@SirNarax]

I like how the Paladins curve actually curves downwards.

[@SinOnHumanity]

Still require more brain cells than both games tbh.

[@davealwan9246]

I dont understand why 98% of paladin players suck ass at the game , when it's so damn easy

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

@@SinOnHumanity cringe

[@AgniFirePunch]

@@davealwan9246 because it is a team based game where nobody plays as a team.The worst player tend to pick damage as it's the only way they can get kills.Not to mention there is a good proportion of kids and lobotomites who never bother to make a deck let alone refine it.Coming from siege I just pubstomp every casual game with tyra or jenos

[@bimss7969]

SinOnHumanity riiiiiight...

[@snughug1181]

"tf2 gets updated like every week" *HAHAHAHAHAHAHA*! You're serious?

[@SanguineThor]

Used to be

[@katkorotta]

They started update more frequently again in beginning of 2019 and now it has started to go silent again :/

[@sowaaaa_]

@flying potato chip bruhhh stfu

[@Derp12]

Dude it's you except now I found you on funke! So how is my sandvich coming along

[@ruzl108]

it's the very important localization updates

[@ActualDirt]

TF2 is the size of a puddle with the depth of the ocean.

[@TheGoreforce]

It turned shit after the introduction of new weapons.

[@gamer_x403]

TheGoreforce Hell no.

[@TheGoreforce]

wrong

[@GamerTheTurtle]

I started slightly disliking it the moment they began shoving skins and renamed crates down your throat. They had it going really well when the last new thing was their killstreak weapons those were the good old days

[@Intothevoid-NIB]

"Depth" isn't exactly the word I'd use. Sure, there's lots of -engine exploits- mechanics, but they add complexity without adding any real depth, AKA, raising the skill floor without raising the skill ceiling.

[@smokingrabbit7029]

7:31 i mean we dont have to worry about that anymore...

[@rileycorrigan5593]

TF2: Only has a 4 class out of 9 tutorial League of Legends: Hold my beer

[@Madpadness]

Eh at least there's the champion spotlight on the KZbin.

[@sauce4279]

@@Madpadness plus, LoL has, what, 400 champions?

[@ParadiseNigh]

@@sauce4279 to be fair, a cute little portion of them are either directly from dota or from the hero idea bin from Dota All-Star forums. Fuck Pendragon

[@sauce4279]

@@ParadiseNigh really? I didnt know that. Are LoL and Dota properties of the same company?

[@WeirdSketcher]

@@sauce4279 to answer both questions 1. It's around 150 champions as of now 2. It's not made by the same Company, but one of the Creators of League of Legends used to work on Dota All Star by the name of Guinsoo

[@matijos2442]

Valve: makes what is considered to be the best tutorial of all times in half life. Also valve: fuck that you learn

[@Justin-sl3sb]

I have 5600 hours in this game, and I've NEVER had the manntreads item in my inventory, not for a single second, never gotten it from a drop, never gotten it from a trade, I've literally never used them!

[@ziphy9803]

your loss, they are the best item in the game

[@luigifan4585]

Ziphy *one of the most useless FTFY

[@Owsier]

>Manntreads >Best item >Big kek Think you're getting confused with the gunboats buddy.

[@ziphy9803]

TOwen No I said what i meant and i meant what i said

[@Owsier]

Ziphy Oh, okay. Odd.

[@ascaban6220]

Thought this vid was like a week old until I heard "weapon rebalances being confusing" and then I realised it was 4 years old

[@kiroakimada2775]

"Updated every other week" "Developers that care" Are you sure your describing tf2?

[@tTaseric]

At the time you wrote this, Valve updated the game pretty frequently with bug fixes ect

[@tTaseric]

The time they wrote this comment was during the jungle inferno update / scream fortress update. if you could read you would see that

[@rignatetris4435]

and yet they dont fix the bloody matchmaking, we get the pyro update, we get the scream fortress update, and at some point the heavy update. Yet they somehow dont man up and fix matchmaking to save their game and get a constant flow of new players? not to mention fix the broken offline bots and completely redo the training and make it for all classes?

[@fardmcshid931]

+WhiteRice pyro is a necessary evil. See the 4 scouts at the start of the video? Replace them with spies.

[@donuberry7654]

Phoenix Artice well the devs do care it’s just that there are barely any devs to begin with

[@CommissarPickle]

"Gets updated every other week" Me sitting here: howboldbis this video?

[@sviatoslavs.1305]

Date of release: 14th of Dec., 2016 Status: *U L T R A O L D*

[@uhrguhrguhrg]

howboldbis

[@Cheddar_Wizard]

@Cakenja The nerve. Some fuckin nerve.

[@darrenaqilawangsech8652]

uhm, there's even a steam community card about how long they could count before the next major update... it's frickin 15.5-ish K

[@leesmith7101]

If you want to learn to play TF2, play as a medic for a good few hours. You will see how all the classes play.

[@themcjarhead1383]

This is actually solid advice, considering you know how to use the medic. :P

[@matesboat9466]

Teammates would call you a bad Medic and kick you even before you could get the situation of the moment

[@leesmith7101]

Nick TheNick It worked for me. Just make sure the guy you are healing is in front of you and not behind. Don't rush in to enemy lines with one guy, stay back and heal the hole team.

[@cheezandtoast]

ya and you see what not to do when people just die all the time. thats pretty smart i feel dumb that i havnt figured out this at 2k hours.

[@lucasdriessen5369]

lee smith that's just general advice for playing a healer in any game

[@okboomerbutitsacat8050]

"it gets updated every other week" *Laughs* *Laughing turns into crying*

[@lonelylemon858]

People say overwatch is better than tf2. Maybe, maybe not, but i would like to see how overwatch holds up in 9 years

[@holo7070]

Ecosplit Depends on Blizzard considered how old WoW is

[@mylesmc1321]

I enjoy playing Overwatch but sometimes I also think about that. Maybe Blizzard will let people mod the game somehow? idk that's the only way I can see it living for as long as tf2 has

[@holo7070]

Mr. Gen TF2 has been around cause of three major things it aged very well the fan base of the really old players never give up on it and how customizable it is of Blizzard would make it so we could have client side mods that would really help say I can download a audio file such as Darth Vaders infamous "noooo" and replace it with Reapers ult that would be neat

[@Fruzhin5483]

i feel that it may hold for 9 years since the team working for OW is more than 20 guys

[@static2634]

Ecosplit warcraft is still a thing and it's a blizz title so I mean overwatch could last longer than tf2

[@ryanrobinson3367]

i just downloaded this game last night amd have about a hour in every character. this video said everything i was feeling and more. one of the best videos ive seen in awhile

[@schlooby5103]

takes more than an hour to learn a game as complex as tf2.

[@triznathaniel122]

he said an hour on each, learn to read.

[@thederpscoutreturns8709]

Play the Offline matches. They teach you better than the ACTUAL TUTORIAL.

[@brendopls]

ryan Robinson even tho I stopped playing last year it is still one of my favorite games. hope you enjoy it.

[@candincer924]

Dont forget about the community hate to the new players man.... I played 164 hours and nearly everyone blames new players....

[@MRSLIN]

TFW you have a FUNKe cameo FeelsGoodMan

[@pietraolegal]

I've played the game since 2015, stopped in 2018 (where the game was pretty much dead) and see the game reborning again with the memes actually makes me happy

[@ladypaprika627]

I know I’m late, but... “TF2 maintains top 5 on Steam at all times” *a few minutes later* “If TF2 doesn’t rebalance and etc, it’ll struggle to maintain relevance.” ------- Also, 2019 TF2 has basically same levels of players.

[@lain8614]

It doesn't tho

[@lain8614]

It's declined significantly and only about half the people that are playing are real humans at any given time

[@retardedfishfrogs1]

@@lain8614 looking at it right now it's about the same as in the screenshot in the video from 3 years ago

[@nephiuwu]

looking at it now and its 70k (a gain of +15k)

[@coolranch2981]

@@nephiuwu with a majority of trading and afk bots

[@jas_bataille]

I don't feel bad at being bad at TF2 anymore.

[@schlooby5103]

Jas Bataille you find your own way to be good as long as its not hacking.

[@deprecated7681]

Yeah, cause it's their fault for not making it easier for casuals.

[@nofreezepeach3959]

DefiantBoris Your the try-hard who ruins the game for everyone, by complaining about new and players who are less experienced.

[@deprecated7681]

DefiantBoris i agree, but what I think is that new players should be more aware of what they can work with to learn about tf2. Other than that, yeah, git gud, or git out.

[@josephsheldon8582]

Psh, why should new players even want to play this game? It seems to be a uninviting, over-complicated, poorly explained and severely outdated piece of shit. Asking new players to "git gud, or git out" will just illicit the response "lol k. I'll just go play Overwatch. This game will continue to die and we all know that it won't get replaced by a squeal. Have fun on your sinking ship of a franchise.

[@bubblemage1791]

Don't starves learning curve is a literal straight vertical line. It literally puts you in the world, says good luck and then just fucks off without even telling you basic movement or any skills at all. Thanks.

[@secretgarbage6581]

I was so excited to play that game for months after watching Sips play it. When I got the game, I just got either really bored or DESTROYED if I tried to start with anything but the established starting steps.

[@perpetualsystems]

Ey boi better get ready for dem night k bai

[@adog3129]

Bubblemage1 omg that game is so hard. I remember working so hard to catch a rabbit and cook it then it just heals a tiny bit

[@edfreak9001]

Yeaaaah Don't Starve isn't even a "learn as you play" game, it's a "load up the wiki" game.

[@bird2112]

look at this wandering pig,staying right next to him might kill you...

[@pandastical9205]

7:45 ‘gets updated every other week and has an active development team’ I’ve never cried so hard

[@KeeperOfNonArcane]

7:45 Well this just dated the video quickly.

[@Roboyt17]

😭😭

[@mhyme5063]

I've got nearly 1,500 hours on tf2 and I never knew that F6 even existed. Wtf

[@zudy9067]

Harlequin No it doesnt exist lol 0 does the thing

[@snakeboy2017]

Drink me Maybe because you can't reguster in any server?

[@RammusTheArmordillo]

Same !

[@OperationDEEZ]

What... Does F6 do?

[@faticusmcnoodles2934]

f6 does nothing

[@bjarkehammerbakpaluszewski6219]

FUNKe: TF2 is like if we forced kids to assemble their toys like factory workers, before they were allowed to play with them Lego: Am i a joke to you?

[@bjarkehammerbakpaluszewski6219]

The_Purple_Squid exactly

[@Akemi-Homura-]

True mt

[@Nostradankus]

LEGO comes with actual instructions tho

[@justseffstuff3308]

Lego comes with very detailed instructions, and TF2 is like needing to melt plastic and pour it into molds to make every single brick.

[@Raizazel]

@@justseffstuff3308 The kicker is that those molds are not included and you have to make them yourself.

[@Weldedhodag]

y'know, its funny, because Age of Empires 2 definitive edition, an RTS of all things, has an abundant number of optional tutorials. The William Wallace campaign teaches you all the basic game mechanics, and the Art of War teaches you the more advanced tactics that all the competitive players use. Its honestly pretty funny that something as Niiche as an RTS game teaches new players better than an FPS, something with much broader appeal

[@stainsaint5870]

6 spy on my team pls mercy

[@yeatnumber1Dmuncher]

I saw this comment 6 months ago, then joined a 9-spies team in casual and we actually won (of course I played as the 10th spy) about two weeks ago and remembered about this comment.

[@fenn_fren]

We had 9 once lmao

[@kenjen9861]

@Harvey One time, on casual, my team in the middle of one of those payload map-to-maps (similar to Gold Rush) unanimously decided to all go hunstman snipers, and dominated the enemy team!

[@patota574]

7:27 a tf2 muselk video. I’M NOT CRYING YOU’RE CRYING

[@Dino-qu8xl]

ikr he went rouge

[@longislandlegoboy]

His moremuselk channel has some more recent ones

[@havoc1768]

Sad drummer noises

[@tf3confirmedbuthv54]

Dino rogue*

[@Omegaset]

Eh fuck em, that fortnite milker doesn't deserve your tears

[@joke5735]

I actually admit, if loading tips didn't exist I would have quit tf2 a long time ago

[@sesseljabs964]

[sees a loading tip] wait you can do that

[@Andresalex4]

As someone who played a lot of TF2 back in the day, became unable to play it for a good 2 - 3 years then finally came back to it with like 0 clue of what I'm doing in a casual match and finishing with a K/D of 4 - 14, this video makes me feel better about myself

[@jackhensel8853]

Because it is updated every two weeks Not a problem any more

[@crab7252]

Ninja Killre lol

[@StarlightTrail3]

TF2 still has a learning cliff.

[@simple_most788]

porcodio

[@notfunnyperson3496]

are you still confident in that?

[@MrDuck-po3wy]

Man this Comment is dated

[@Thankfully_Over]

I've tried playing tf2 atleast three times and I ended up just sitting in a corner confused about everything. And I have been watching videos about tf2 for years.

[@sebastianturner2458]

I started once, decided it wasn't worth it, and left. That was years ago, I still like learning about the game, but I have no intentions of ever playing it.

[@CRRNCRW]

I practiced in offline mode for like 6 hours as different classes, decided sniper was the one I was best at, joined a 2Fort match... Immediately got headshot the moment I stepped out of resupply

[@xXSKY64Xx]

I tried to get into TF2 years ago, and I never figured out what my role is for each class.

[@Blank-zn2zk]

Well, worry not! There are many useful videos on KZbin made by the community of tf2 that can teach you the roles for each class than how many years ago you tried to get into tf2! Just search the class you're most interested in KZbin and it'll show beginners' guide/tutorial for that class.

[@anthonykay1580]

Didnt you see the "Meet the" videos?

[@Flamuski]

You really are a bot

[@NeopolitanOW]

Slightly Distressed Man In Huge Turtleneck if only I could give gold to comment like you can on reddit.... actually, cancel that, KZbin already has enough money

[@dopomaximus7083]

@Noobz4Lief thank

[@l1ghtd3m0n3]

“The development team is still working on it” Yeah, all 1 of the people in it

[@tryhardnoob1140]

Totally agree with this. Tried tf2 once since it was so popular. I had no clue what I was supposed to be doing, where to go, or what the classes did.

[@luigimcdingle1951]

That's why there are tutorials.

[@KedViper]

Did you completely miss the point of the video? The tutorials don't even cover all the classes and really doesn't give a lot of information on how to play them. Additionally, there are hundreds of items that a new player will have no idea about as well as all the complex mechanics outside of that.

[@jacklayton2788]

No idea what the classes did. Hmmmm, I wonder what the HEAVY class is, or the PYROMANIAC class, SNIPER class and MEDIC class... Either you have no experience with video games and lack basic reasoning, or your story is utter BS

[@MasterGhostf]

I did the tutorials and thought that they were a good job. Once in game I saw people rocket jumping and tried to do that, I am still learning but I have managed to do it. Valve should make a more complete guide on how to use the characters though.

[@clementtompel7558]

Me too

[@LaPoubelle42]

As someone who played tf2 for years before I started playing Paladins, this video is a great analysis of tf2's learning curve as it took me almost 2 years of frequent playing to become actually good at maybe 3-4 of the characters.

[@joe579003]

Tf2 to Paladins? Are you on food stamps or something? Ever gonna step up from F2P trash?

[@moviesrobert]

@joe579003 do you recomend $60 trash instead?

[@LaPoubelle42]

joe579003 Thanks for the comment man, but a lot of the best game content ever created was put out there by their creators for the world to enjoy for free. TF2 was made by the legendary creators of Portal, Half Life, Counterstrike, Left 4 Dead, but suddenly because TF2 is free to play it is trash? Paladins was made by a much younger company who made SMITE and Global Agenda, but spend just 10 minutes in the game on high quality graphics and you will see the work they did on the game despite it being free to play. The price of a game doesn't necessarily indicate the effort put into making it, especially when you consider that addicting FPS's like these are still in many ways monotized (hats and such in TF2, skins in paladins) and with Paladins now hitting over 5 million players, Hi-Rez is making plenty of money to spend in improving their game to sustain this following. If Overwatch is your game then great, I have been a huge fan of Blizzard for well over a decade and they have done a great job with the game. Paladins just appeals a lot more to me, and it was certainly more readily available. Now I am hooked on the game and a few games of Overwatch weren't enough to convince me that it is worth spending the money on vs. just getting some sweet skins in Paladins. Cheers!

[@BlinkLed]

Yes, because all free games are trash. Oh wait, except Cave Story, Treasure Adventure Game, Hero Core, Iji, The Chzo Mythos, Submachine, An Untitled Story, Treasure Hunter Man, Hydra Castle Labyrinth, La-Mulana, and about a hundred others. Seriously I've played games for free that were better than games I payed $60 for.

[@RadiationRat]

lol paladins? thats a shitty version of overwatch (I've played both)

[@somemaycallthisjunkmeicall133]

I got fairly decent in Overwatch in 3 days. I got fairly decent in TF2 in 3 months. I suck i know

[@dabboisang5165]

Some may call this junk me I call them treasure 3 months ?? that's cute

[@MarijuanaGuy]

You must have severe learning disabilities.

[@SylentVoidkeeper]

pearlfect You have issues, sir

[@Kozzly]

pearlfect Took me 1 day for overwatch but for tf2 it took me about a year. No joke.

[@dog508]

pearlfect I have over 300 hours on tf2, and my aim still sucks.

[@dasdadwaswad7358]

“Has a active dev team” minutes before disaster

[@downbad4urdad]

Happy to know I'm not retarded for playing 5 hours in total and feeling as though I've made zero progress. I feel so horribly ineffective it's overwhelmingly frustrating, and I resort to medic to avoid dying 24/7.

[@whynot8933]

I have played 60 hours and its a steep learning curve. Yesterday i couldnt hit anything. Bext day i hit every enemy. I cant rly explain it.

[@aknightwhosaysnein3378]

Ive played 300 hours and I still dont know what c tapping and rocket jumpiny past its very basics is completely lost to me.

[@whynot8933]

@@aknightwhosaysnein3378 70 hrs and still accept my fate when a pyro burns me as spy

[@whynot8933]

Now I'm 200 hours and I can only meme myself ingame...

[@sliver3703]

@@whynot8933 Dw man I have about 1000 hours and I'm the same as any other Joseph.Garcia.04 that just downloaded the game.

[@Raythebluejay]

Alright, reading some of these comments I thought I might as well give my 2 cents on this. I've played the game for about 7 years and have 2.7k hours on it so I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about. A lot of people on here talking shit on Justyn's points, in my opinion, simply haven't played the game long enough to see some of its major flaws which can easily be overlooked. Just because the game is "old" doesn't mean it should be given free passes. The fact that tf2 does such a poor job at EDUCATING new players on how to play the game is part of the reason why it's on the decline right now. That and the fact that the new updates are so poorly put together that it's easy to lose interest in the game. At this point, the anger directed at tf2 is pretty well deserved. Competitive games are rarely balanced with almost always having someone that "shouldn't be playing comp". Simply put, tf2 doesn't do a good job at distinguishing between what new players SHOULD do so have a better transition in the game. That's why you rarely see good snipers/spies in casual. They're attractive classes to play for someone that's new to the game, sure, but the fact that there is so much complexity to the game that's not accurately relayed to players makes for oddly balanced games. Final note, yes i do think tf2 is a game with lost potential. They could have done so much more with it. Competitive should have been implemented years ago for example. With all this said, everyone needs to stop getting so TRIGGERED. it's just a game, if you love it, then love it. You shouldn't just talk shit on a video because you disagree with no points to back yourself up. If you truly loved the game, then you should realize that at this point, there are some deep rooted problems wit it and openly talk about it.

[@andressanjuan1107]

Ray same people who make fun of others for being free to play or simply choosing a class like pyro and w+m1ing.

[@toledochristianmatthew9919]

I agree with the video as well. I am new to the game and have been playing for only a month with about 90 hours of gameplay. It took me a lot of effort just to master the basics. Hell, I still don't know how to do single rocket jump and i keep killing myself. However, I am still interested and yes I literally watched a lot of the videos here on youtube to at least understand how the game works and still trying to improve. Right now, Valve it seems really trying their best to catch up because of their rivalry now with Overwatch. Paladins might even rival them as well once the open beta is finally finished.

[@ABurntMuffin]

I've never played a game before or since that made your hours feel like they were important. A player with 10 hours and a player with 600 hours shouldn't even be on the same level. I don't care if you think games should be friendlier to new players, experienced players shouldn't be made to feel like they lost to a "luck" factor. I'm looking at you random crits.

[@arcven0444]

game is going down dude even FUCKING FOOTBALL MANAGER has more players and even a beta game pubg has more players than a game like tf2.tf2 needs updates that teaches actual team mechanics.i played mge so much because i didnt like teams.but i realized that i should be playing with teams and learn more and i started playing with teams after 1000 hours of not playing with teams.i tried to play with team do the thing that they didnt do.but nothing happened for a while after that i learned about playing with team when to play demoman,scout soldier medic or heavy but it TOOK 700 HOURS to learn it.it needs an update that teaches weapons in tf2 and what class' made for.like i had no idea what to play so i thought healing people and seeing what they are doing would help if i watch them.i did it and learned it but other players maybe doesnt even had a chance like that.i agree points that FUNKe made.and tf2 needs more programmers that will actually updates the game

[@ABurntMuffin]

for sure it's going down, but most games don't last 2 years let alone 10ish

[@Injazz1]

The game HAD okay learning curve, before the actual updates came in. This game WAS fine to novice players, since it was only 9 classes showcased in trailers (and not having gone too far from TFC). But too keep it fresh and interesting for experienced players, VALVe started introducing new features: new aspects of the game like trading or crafting. New ways to play favourite class - new weapons, SETS that actually had a set buff. Everything was brought by an update that people, experienced in the game already, played and learned few new thing it brought. Update after update... 8 years later, updates stockpiled on each other, and we have this monstrosity. Some might find it fun though, because there is SO MUCH to learn!

[@temporarychannelname8620]

As a new player, that's why I find it appealing. But it is frustrating to not have a central library of information in game. It takes some digging to truly understsnd some mechanics. It also sometimes feels like you never have learned enough to compete witg those who have played the game for years.

[@insertsomerandomassname2479]

@@temporarychannelname8620 I know right? We really need new tutorials the game doesn't teach a shit

[@MrMista-zk6rz]

Cool Spessdude once u get past the learning curve its a lot of fun

[@TrioLOLGamers]

The main problem for me is that, also if you have 2000 hours, if you don't play it every month, you won't know how the game will be balanced. For example 2 years ago, scout was okay. They they updated and sucked like ass, then there was Pyro and then no damage. That's why I started playing on modified servers like Saxton Hale: they set values and they keep it 90% of the time.

[@dragostego]

Set bluffs are cosmetic now and have been for years

[@drunkensailor7676]

"Has an activedevelopment team" is the most painful 7 year old line

[@TheVirtualEconomist]

Definitely my favorite video of yours. Great job!

[@finnquail1528]

Dat u?

[@finnquail1528]

Senpai??

[@KaptainKommissar]

Should've known Overwatch was going to be in this video. xD. By the way, WHERE'S MY SCOUT X TRACER REFERENCE?!

[@samwhaleIV]

TF2's used to have training levels too! Not just the gun range type place. Like, it would bring you through dustbowl, too, teaching you about classes and control points.

[@uhrguhrguhrg]

It still has that. It's the second part of the soldier tutorial.

[@fenn_fren]

@@uhrguhrguhrg ... which is not even functional.

[@bingusbongus1912]

huh that's weird people are saying the soldier tutorial doesn't work but for me the tutorials worked up until the spy one which broke half way through

[@muntadar1655]

@@bingusbongus1912 all 4 tutorials worked out pretty well for me, I'm a new player in tf2 though I could say i got a hang of the basics thanks to the community

[@BubbleNuggets_]

“Gets updated every over week” Damn I feel old

[@ryancresawn4726]

I've been playing TF2 off and on for 13 years and I still don't know what i'm doing

[@ryancresawn4726]

There was this one time I logged in and all the game modes were melee based or something, then i logged in one day and couldn't even find that game mode I was so confused.

[@darrenaqilawangsech8652]

@@ryancresawn4726 Lmao then it must've been a timed event

[@landlockedcroat1554]

how

[@aRealOne9894]

Maybe you joined degroot keep?

[@TheMemeSheriff]

Okay so I know tf2 has a huge learning curve (I noticed when trying to teach my friends) but when I was a noob, I never found myself angry at the learning curve, hell I was having a blast playing every class, unlocking every weapon, and finding out all the skills. One of my favorite things is being a better player, from the very beginning I was determined to be the best pyro I could be. And becoming a better pyro has been one of my most dearest gaming moments. Tl;dr life doesn't have a fucking Manuel and neither does this game, do what everyone else does and learn like a good boy like I did.

[@TheMemeSheriff]

That's one of TF2s biggest strengths imo, it's a giant sandbox with no hand holding at all. It's all about learning the ropes. So FUNKe I understand what you mean by this video, and I can see why you think this. But you're forgetting why tf2 is so loved and why we have a good community, all the fuckheads who can't stand learning go to Overwatch.

[@Raging-Lion]

OverworldTNTPig this is almost exactly me tbh, I'm don't feel like there's much to learn anyway tbh, knowing very little means I can have fun learning what there's I needed to now. things like the learning curve just seem like things only competitive gamers seem to care about, or people who've been playing a while. the only thing I think tf2 needs is to actually install when I try to play at the library, I hate getting that corrupt file error message >:v

[@Raging-Lion]

also, I love how people apparently forgot that there's this thing called Google for things they now nothing about :v also KZbin, the thing this video is on.....v:

[@jaghn4703]

TF2 have one of the world's best filter against people with no game sense, rage-affiliated personality, and lack of interest to learn - which is its skill ceiling. But we can all agree that at the moment, TF2 needs a population boost, else it will gradually 'die' to the point where no one plays it anymore. We don't want that, do we?

[@dream8461]

OverworldTNTPig I think it's more about people seeing it as somewhat of a chore when a game has too many things to learn. Some people just want to hop into a new game after a tiring day, and can't be bothered to sit down and look up how things work. Sadly, easy to learn games such as the COD franchise, are one of the most popular, due to fun gameplay and it's really easy to pick up.

[@bcatgamering]

I actually made my friend think vs Saxton Hale was the default gamemode and was made by Valve for a bit.

[@Gunslingerwashere]

Savage.

[@johnnyhell1215]

ok?

[@dafrandle]

lol

[@justlikeakid6856]

Cx

[@mori6318]

This video was made 3 years ago and nothing has changed

[@waluigiisthebest2802]

And it will never change

[@Preposter]

Even if this video was made 6 years ago, nothing would've changed. It's TF2 lmao

[@aaronpatel3179]

*Ahem* 7:45 this is an absolute joke

[@rezac4042]

Something did change and that is the updates

[@mori6318]

@@rezac4042 mate you’re delusional

[@uncheckable_vibe]

"which all get outdated after every weapon and class rebalance" thankfully valve has taken great steps to fix this problem

[@valtroid]

0:19 "Into the KORRA the action" HAH

[@wuk9109]

GOTEEM

[@Trusskkawa]

wat game is it

[@cheatsykoopa98]

valtroid lives? xD

[@L-Mop]

OH I GET IT

[@Sweetfunkyjesus]

o shit

[@ahbraveconscript997]

overwatch has some fun characters but the announcer is poop compared to tf2's almighty Helen!

[@rayzvn943]

Василий Калинкин yup.

[@arvidbergman]

Василий Калинкин well, the Overwatch announcer is a fucking robot, there's nothing dandy to throw in there.

[@Raging-Lion]

Василий Калинкин truth

[@thestarryeyedobserver]

Василий Калинкин No.

[@abaddon_9941]

I like OW's announcer.

[@dontmatter966]

Idk. Just started the game and only played about 9 hours but I have plenty of fun even if I have no idea what I'm doing. I try new things for the hell of it, and enjoy it more. I've learned if my team doesn't have a medic, then maybe I should be a medic (albeit a bad one but a bad medic is better than no medic) I recently tried sniper and this game has made sniping fun for me. In fact the only class I don't care for is Pyro. I have a lot of fun at this game though

[@Mikkelsjensen1]

that is good TF2 will rise again

[@Celatra]

Pyros are good when your team is loosing....you can pick pyro and just go on a rampage

[@kovacsbalint6696]

Then: it updates almost every week now: It updates localisation files almost eevry week

[@Todija]

They trying their best to fix localization files for the ~230th time

[@thetrashmann8140]

Team Fortress 2 is a timeless master piece that well needs to be fixed just make it so that new players are able to ease into it easier like *make a proper tutorial* then it will most likely grow again and actually get updates (It's been 2 years now)

[@bootmii98]

Blue Moon was March/April 2018 if I'm not mistaken

[@FalbereChan]

a game that doesnt fucking teach you how to play it? tekken fucking 7.

[@waldenotwalled5783]

Falbere! *Every single fighting game ever

[@mockingbird667]

Some Guilty Gear games do teach you though

[@mvtto]

Falbere! I remember buying that game. Sold it the day after.

[@soma1294]

It even has the same shitty "loadingscreen tips are enough" mentality

[@FalbereChan]

nice joke

[@scurvyswashbucklingDM]

The TF2 learning curve: "Ho Ho Ho! you'll starve before you reach me soldier, SO SAYS CHRISTOPHER, THE COMMUNIST MOUNTAIN! " Me, a soldier main: " YOU WILL GET CLOSER WHEN I CRAWL TOWARDS YOU, MOUNTAIN!"

[@7emidio]

Why crawl when you can rocket jump towards it ; )

[@scurvyswashbucklingDM]

@@7emidio A rocket launcher in this case is your skill and adaptiveness manifested. sometimes, you just have to crawl.

[@7emidio]

@@scurvyswashbucklingDM :(

[@consumerofbepsi5254]

"This mountain is no match for a *CROCKET* "

[@TheRealPhaeism]

*gets up dated every other week* I'M NOT CRYING YOU ARE

[@lucas9114]

I love how Paladin's skill level is a straight line

[@GeneralTaco155555a]

Holy shit, I haven't played TF2 in a long ass time wtf happened...

[@memed4509]

GeneralTaco155 nothing

[@emhabit]

GeneralTaco155 meet your match: get cance- I mean get competative

[@emhabit]

campeteteve

[@emhabit]

compotytyve

[@emhabit]

competitive

[@memestar856]

The end just made me sad realising that tf2 would be an AMAZING esport but that valve probably will never make it happen

[@giuliomontuori5027]

Meme Star tf2 is a esport

[@donuberry7654]

Giulio Montuori not really, even rocket league has a bigger esport scene then tf2

[@zwxn123]

Playerbase: Valve, please fix the game! Valve: Aight! **[last major update: 2017]**

[@jacojerb]

I'd just like to give my 2 cents on the subject... Doubtful that anyone will read it, in this big comments section, but oh well I only really got into TF2 in 2016. This is due to multiple reasons, the biggest of which probably being my bad internet connection before It took me a long time to learn the things that I now consider the basics. As said in the video, this can be do to the lack of help from the game... Let's take something like rocket jumping, arguably one of the most important things a soldier should be able to do. When I started playing, I played a bit of soldier... He felt useless to me. Slow move speed and a weapon that doesn't do the greatest damage meant I more or less just said "meh, soldier is not for me". I probably played more than 30 hours before I even knew that rocket jumping was a thing, and if I didn't happen to stumble onto a video on youtube, I never would've figured out that you have to crouch to do it I'm not saying every soldier needs to be a pro rocket jumper, but basic rocket jumps... Also, all the weapons. Because you don't have all the weapons at the start, you won't even know about most of them. Thus, you won't even know about things like demoknights or bowmen. Like... I read about demoknights, and how to be a good demoknight, when I didn't even have a shield There is really just so much to TF2 that makes it such a great game, but for someone who jumped into it in 2016, and I guess in the future, in 2017, they'll install it, give it a go, not understand a thing and uninstall it... Even those who give it a proper go, say 10 hours (I think 10 hours is a fair amount of time to at least form a basic opinion on a game), you won't have even scratched the surface of TF2... Fact is, it's old, it's F2P (we all know what F2P usually means on Steam), a lot of it isn't easily accessible to new players and you won't even know that you're not seeing the whole picture. You'll just see a bunch of relatively low quality, cartoony characters and will probably be playing with people who understand the game, thus not making it easy to get into... TF2 is definitely gonna have to do something if they want new players. A better tutorial, maybe an area you can play with weapons you don't own, versus bots or something... Just to tell new players "this isn't just some cartooney rubish that was good 10 years ago. If you just learn these few things, you will see the game it truly is" And I love that game. And I am sad to have gotten into this game while it is on a decline

[@TiagoMendonca8591]

Well said. I actually only learned how to rocket jump via KZbin tutorials. Rocket jumping is a big part of playing soldier and the game doesn't even teach you how to do it.

[@Bittergamer1886]

There IS a single-player mode where you play with bots. I mostly did that before I was confident enough to join a real server.

[@Intothevoid-NIB]

To quote a scotsman drunk off his ass "Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity".

[@corvobasqez3936]

Exactly. I havent gotten into tf2 bc of this. I as a player shouldnt have to put in 100 hours of play time, 5 hours of youtube tutorials and 3 essays to understand whats going on. The impression i get is that most people playing tf2 now are people whove been playing for a long time. The community is insular and elitist. Not very inviting as a whole.

[@ignemuton5500]

"and every single engine exploit turns staple feature in the game" you got my like funke

[@StarlightTrail3]

Thats pretty much how I feel about TF2 mechanics.

[@S1RR0B0T]

"updated every week" LAUGHS IN QUARANTINE

[@CSGhostAnimation]

0:00 omg I finally found out what the trumpet song is from! Diddy Kong 64! The military guy! I knew I heard it somewhere!

[@sulkysays]

cs ghost!

[@rtydht45r5]

i like the part where the game only gets fun after about 1000+ hours

[@StarlightTrail3]

Fucking Relatable

[@Brent-jj6qi]

I have fun with under 50 hours (but I medic main in mvm so yeah)

[@MrCastleburger]

elbowgreese actually I had plenty of fun in my beginner days even when I was completely clueless. But what u said is pretty subjective and based on your personal experience so im gonna stop talking :/

[@yegorgribenuke6853]

300 hours Im in community for 4 years

[@Celatra]

I've always had fun in the game but it's now even more fun when you realize nothing will ever make sense in the game

[@Bittergamer1886]

The thing that I did to get a decent foothold in the game was playing single-player. Y'know, with bots. I must've spent at least 100 hours with the bots before I ever joined a server. Start with easy mode, and believe me, bots on easy mode are nothing, so its a very fair challenge to new players. Then, work your way up though harder A.I. until you're ready to join a server. I rarely let my team down after that because at the very least I had a decent grasp on every class and what their roles are, and that's all you really need. You don't even need to be good, just competent. There was the odd elitist with 3000 hours that would mock me, but those people were few and far between and obviously had nothing better to do with their time than mock someone for being not awesome at TF2. Overall, just have fun and enjoy the game.

[@jcdenton2187]

The only real issue with bots is that they do become quite predictable and are really, really dumb. They do a lot of things actual players rarely do and never do a lot of things considered basic in TF2, like Rocket/Stickey jumping, spychecking correctly, and they only use stock weapons. Although I do imagine that helps newer players get a grip on the basics of TF2 like you said, so there is that. Does go to show that TF2 has miles worth of room for improvement all around. An actual training mode that covers more than 4 classes, tips that could be organized and shown on the loadout screen, bots that could actually do more complex moves and could use unlockables (as an option, though. Don't want to totally overwhelm a new player,) etc.

[@donuberry7654]

Garrett M my brother mostly introduced me into it and I just started to get a hold of it myself

[@GALuigi]

But that's what Valve does. They don't waste time on tutorials, they just throw you right in the action so you can learn it yourself. I personally like that a bit better. They did it with Half-Life and that's why it was so revolutionary and different than the rest at the time. No cutscenes or tutorials at all.

[@LeafMaltieze]

I just want to point out that TF2 has 84,000 online players right now as I type this, in April of 2022, the peak for today was 86,000. At 7:49 we can see that in 2016, when this video was posted, and was still getting weakly updates, it had a peak online player count of 55,000. Valve just does whatever the hell they want, and active player count means nothing.