TF2's Tower Defense Gamemode

[@PurpleJak3]

Don't even get SpaceGuy started on PvZ Chinese edition

[@ChesterManfred]

Glory to the People's Liberation Army, please don't cut off my nutrient supply this week

[@CrazyDave12]

@@ChesterManfredGlory to Taiwan 🇹🇼

[@wealthybone2990]

Honestly curious about the Chinese PvZ version some of the things I've seen look pretty cool compared to the regular version.

[@masonkay7024]

@@wealthybone2990it’s half baked but the parts that cooked are really delicious, that’s the best description

[@pjtheprimalpeashootergamin6159]

Which fuckin one theirs 2 of them and a bunch of random mini programs

[@CrimsoniteSP]

Tower defense is a weird genre considering it's dominated by 1 game, Bloons, and not that many games even come close to challenging it. And the ones that do, tend to actually play vastly different. PvZ doesn't play anything like Bloons despite being a TD game.

[@zexalcommander7036]

Kingdom Rush franchise deserves a worthy mention, even if the prices per game and for in-game purchases is one of its inherent cons

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

@@CrimsoniteSP There was that really wierd and brief moments where TD games but you're also like a ground commander were popular I.e Dungeon Defenders and Orcs must Die

[@FlyingNinjaish]

​@@zexalcommander7036Doesn't that fall into the "tend to play vastly differently" box? I haven't played it for years, but my recollection was that your "towers" were more like bases that spawned you own troops to battle enemy attackers in the road instead of being the pure "towers shoot at enemies walking past" TD model.

[@CrimsoniteSP]

@@SpaceGuyOnline Yeah, trying to innovate on the formula but you don't see it as often still. Probably because they're just not as fun. This on it's own could be it's own discussion, tbh. I brought up PvZ just because it's a TD game that did everything right but it also just doesn't scratch that same itch. The TF2 equivalent to a TD game showcased in this video is very much a completely different take on the experience itself. It's not an easy formula to follow because if you miss the mark, it becomes boring, but do it well and it becomes a clone. And if you do it different, most people will hate it.

[@aguy3753]

and the tower defense games that have somehow more players than team fortress 2 are shitty gacha anime roblox tower defense

[@sheacorduroy5565]

Needs to be said: this mod will probably never ever get another content update ever again. The devs just gave up on it years ago. Something regarding being unable to properly code enemy waves or smth. I say this as someone who beta tested the last bit of unique content the mod ever got(the map td_cavern, I’m the reason that map has path upgrades)

[@syberfang7890]

@damsen978 Someone? Quite likely. The Original devs? No, like the Shea said, the Devs gave up and have shown no interest picking it back up as far as I am aware.

[@gabbermac467]

@damsen978 absolutely before VScript update, i've played TD long before that was added, maybe someone can indeed pick it up and make a VScript version

[@MrxD-cg5xs]

Isn't TF2's version of tower defense quite literally just MvM? You got the waves of enemies that increase in strength over time, you got the preset path they follow, you got the hatch robots are not allowed to reach, you get rewarded with currency for every robot you destroy, you even got an intricate upgrape system to increase your lethality using said currency. The only gameplay quirk here is that instead of a top down view where you place defenses along the path, you are the defense. That might not be the classical recipe, but this is a First Person Shooter after all and it makes the whole formula much more fun, IMO. Plus the gamemode you are showcasing here lets you do the same thing, they just disabled the powerclasses and limit you to Engie.

[@thunderspark1536]

I just realized that Deadlock is basically just MVM but pvp instead of PVE. Well, if it works it works.

[@fishydids]

@@thunderspark1536 that's just MOBAs in general lol, except that deadlock is a shooter when other MOBAs aren't

[@JohnJohn-z4b]

🎉

[@arkura1812]

Sanctum 1 and 2 is also a fps tower defense game and does it rather well. i enjoy sanctum 1 alot mroe than 2 though

[@devilbowser253]

this gamemode is what i thought mvm was going to be before i started playing tf2

[@miguelpp8342]

I remember my first days playing TF2, jumping on tower defense and getting kicked for being a newbie. I still have the 1200 points as engineer in my loading screen xD.

[@legogamer3654]

i saw TF2 monopoly and immediately looked it up. turns out its a REAL THING

[@deppo436]

A V-Script remake of Tower Defence sounds neat, but if the community was volatile enough to rip Prop Hunt V-Script to shreds because it was too far removed from what TF2 really is, then I doubt most people would be up to make it. Let alone remake other community gamemodes like Dodgeball or Parkour. I've also noticed not many players download maps for a V-Script gamemode unless it becomes official and gets added into the map rotation.

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

@@deppo436 I view V-Script more as a helpful tool to easily make a custom gamemode set-up rather than full-blown "legitimate" maps in cases like this I don't think Dodgeball for example needs a V-Script port mainly due to its simplicity and popularity but the more complex stuff present in something like Warioware or TD could warrant it

[@gabbermac467]

The reason Prop Hunt V-Script was ripped to shreds is that people had issue with it potentially getting into an update, people are otherwise fine with custom gamemodes in the community tab. Essentially, anything that aligns with the usual gameplay loop of TF2 is fine in people's eyes (Zombie and Saxton hale) But things that drastically alter that vision is not, me personally I wouldn't care but I can see why some people do

[@thegreatautismo224]

People only didn't like the idea of prop hunt getting into Casual

[@jakejohnson718]

And tower defense is pretty MVM reliant as a mode, so Valve would NEVER add it to the map rotation because valve doesn't care for mvm anymore

[@TheCrappyCompletionist]

Was surprised to see Blackwonder hosts 3 out of the 4 tower defense servers still live. If the servers gain enough traction, adding more is not out of the question.

[@EliteCameraBuddy]

welcome to tower defense 2 after 9 years in development hopefully ot wilk have been wo5th the wait

[@Cake25217]

Hello there, guy who worked on the balancing/fixes for BlackWonder TD servers here! My nitpicks as a Veteran™ TF2 TD player towards what was said in the video: Dispencer is always the best option for Solo and Non-solo play on every map Except FirstOne (It's not FirStone, It's FirstOne) and Cavern (3 Buyable dispencers on solo play is BUSTED, who would've though) FirstOne is currently Very difficult to beat Solo because of the air waves. The anti air towers tend to get a messed up angle because of the ground being Uneven Cavern is definetly the easiest map to beat because you can purchase the damage triggers (and upgrade them btw, that's why it says 1/4) which are absolutely insane early to mid game (Jarate makes all damage taken minicrits) Also the Airblast tower exists lol Rampant was VERY VERY hard to beat solo prior to all the buffs the towers got. I've only managed to beat it Solo once using teleporters to teleport crucial towers mid wave. And some towers recieve attributes that are not shown when they are upgraded.... Mainly in regards to the "Shit" melee towers and cleaver. Overall i'm VERY VERY happy to see a video covering something I appreciate. +rep on Steam Profile

[@zhaohuangsfm]

Is it possible for a playable Kael'Thas and Lady Vashj in TF2 TD maps? I want to give the TD map some Warcraft vibes

[@Cake25217]

@@zhaohuangsfm If you were to go with custom animations and models you probably could make a war3 map in tf2, but i think it's just easier to play war3 td at that point haha

[@zhaohuangsfm]

@@Cake25217 Yeah😅

[@SDT493]

I remember playing that gamemode way back in 2014 lol

[@butlazgazempropan-butan11k87]

Engis vs zombes is a really cool modded mvm map

[@TheGreen_Banana]

I'm not joking on this. My friends and I used to play this all the time back in the day. It was where I met one of said friends and for everyone it was where we got some of our first real bonding as a group. Needless to say, this gamemode has a special place in my heart.

[@mm3shadowman982]

I may be weird, but this and UberUpgrades are my favorite TF2 modes

[@highvelocitytictac4232]

7:08 played this game years ago, and on this map, that upward slope on the right has a bug where you can place a teleporter there, and if you've played tf2 for more like 20 minutes you know teleporters block staircases, so the bots will get stuck

[@Spartan_Tanner]

Yup i remember that, its since been fixed but i recall me and a few other people cheesed several times, i also remember the one time a lvl 3 sentry messed it all up too.

[@vicentun69]

This mode is how I got like 500 points with engi and the most hours played

[@Spartan_Tanner]

Yeah same for me, until I afk'd as spy repeatedly backstabbing a respawning bot in some random farming server for a while. For reasons ill probably never remember

[@big_brein4]

Great. Now, after your video every tf2 td server will be full

[@MurdokEXTRA]

Hot take: MvM is tower defense. It's a mode where you have to defend against waves of enemies on a designated path. The only difference is that the players are individual upgradable towers rather than towers being non-player entities. I mean MvM is pretty much Orcs Must Die or Gears of War horde mode.

[@thunderspark1536]

Does this make Deadlock a PVP tower defense game then?

[@MurdokEXTRA]

@@thunderspark1536 Didn't play Deadlock.

[@thunderspark1536]

@@MurdokEXTRA It's basically MvM but against other players, your job is to get more currency than other players and overtime push their bases.

[@widelia2008]

@@thunderspark1536. . . That’s boring as hell

[@thunderspark1536]

@@widelia2008 It's actually quite engaging. You see, the main way to get currency is by killing enemy minions and towers, but the enemy can "deny" part of that currency by shooting the souls (the currency) that comes out. So you have to make choices, focusing on players more and losing souls or gaining souls but maybe giving up some kills you could have gotten. With the time to kill being longer than other games, you can very realistically do both even as a new player, it's very simple to get into, much like tf2.

[@storms888]

As a fellow TF2 KZbinr, I really enjoyed this video. I've always had a special place in my heart for Tower Defense lmao

[@Forza0357_]

im really happy you made this video on one of my fav gamemodes

[@P-Bean]

Lol this is so damn creative.

[@cz_Fenix]

As a tower defense enthusiast (I really only play BTD and PVZ), I love TF2's tower defense. While similar to MvM, it's not the same. TD is a nice "sidegrade" to MvM, with the enemies being entirely consistent with where they go but more variation in how you can defend. I haven't played it in some time, but I think I'll go and play it again.

[@skyolo4923]

There are not many other good tower defense games TBH

[@zhaohuangsfm]

TF2 Engineer: Why tf did I get killed by my own tower Kael'Thas. Blood Elf Engineer. Lady Vashj: Skill issues For people who don't get it I reference Kael'Thas and Lady Vashj in Warcraft III: TFT Blood Elf Campaign Secret Tower Defense map Kael'Thas. Blood Elf Engineers and Lady Vashj cannot take damage from their own towers while the TF2 Engineer takes damage from his own towers

[@whatgoeshere24]

can’t believe you shafted the other two sniper paths smh

[@kumawani8950]

Yeah they are all good for different stuff

[@wizardii4961]

It's too bad TD didn't get a map with two simultaneous bot paths like MvM did with Scallops and Doppler last.

[@d0-va17]

i didn't know this game mod exist thanks for showing it

[@trichouette]

Now this is a game mode I had completely forgot about. I only remember the first map though. The one game mode I wish would come back is fortwars though.

[@dudarino666]

My first tower defense game was WTC Defense on Starcraft 1. Basically two Xel Naga temples, I think, or nexus, 2 "towers" and you had to stop waves of enemies via pathway mazes and such.Star craft had like 5 or 6 great sub genres within itself.

[@charlies-stuff]

funny story i started work recently on a tower defense vscript version but i kind of quit because i wasnt sure how interested people would be in that (if i do end up doing it the plan is to run it closed source on a server, i have no intentions of releasing it onto the workshop)

[@dmnspwn9800]

Whats A Closed Server, and Would You Have To Put In On The Workshop For People To Beable To Use It In Servers

[@dmnspwn9800]

And, Thats Really Cool

[@dmnspwn9800]

I Hope You Do Good, and Have Fun Making It

[@charlies-stuff]

@@dmnspwn9800 "closed source server" is me referring to not releasing the code behind the gamemode and running it on my own server for people to play on

[@DJCherryTempo]

Rampent was the only map I could solo cause I found out there was a spot on the robot path you could build a teleporter on, thus blocking the enemies from progressing. The only downside was that if you let them cluster up too much and shoot one, they could jump the teleporter.

[@LordRemiem]

This looked like super fun, especially since you can play it alone... and it makes me sad not having ever heard of it, and I've been playing since 2012 😢

[@Halvos12]

0:47 yeah hi, just gonna let you know this hurt my eyes

[@japan1863]

Oh well

[@Sam-su3no]

I’ve been looking for something like this

[@_GhostMiner]

*TF2 has a proper and actually good Tower defense gamemode - Mann vs. Machine.*

[@notcarbuncle1493]

I didnt know about this, im literally making this game myself lol a tf2 inspired tower defense fps

[@keeganlafferty1395]

wish someone would try their hand at making an ACTUAL tower defense mode in TF2, and with the tools that Valve gave us it should be easier

[@zhaohuangsfm]

Reminds me of the Warcraft III Blood Elf Campaign that has the secret tower defense map I'll want that engineer to have Kael or Lady Vashj's spells

[@EMlYA_SHlR0U]

It took me an embarrassingly long amount of time to figure out this wasn't a video about MVM

[@نايفسعد-ب9ب]

This idea is so good it tickles my pickle

[@EliteCameraBuddy]

4:18 💀

[@SmugCity]

This is a gamemode i haven't heard in while

[@LegethDrn]

I remember the OtakuTF Tower Defense Server I made many friends on it, then lost them all when they closed it

[@Devspace007]

At first I was surprised, thinking someone called mvm a "tower defense" then started watching and it was the forgotten custom gamemode.

[@Sans-iv1wy]

imagine Tower Defense and Infinite sentres combined

[@Spartan_Tanner]

Peak eargasm Btw some TD servers do just allow sv_cheats. You can literally block the capture point with props if you're feeling mischievous. And yes build infinite sentries

[@SneakyBeakySpy]

Fuck yes I love tower defence! I remember it being pretty dead outside of when a big youtuber like Muselk covered it

[@P0t4t0m4n]

aaaand now that he promoted the servers they're all suddenly full, gotta love tf2bers for this

[@mrmechpunch4653]

There 2 places I think some people will agree with me dominate the tower defense genre. 1st is Bloons and 2nd is... surprisingly roblox... no seriously some of the roblox tower defense games are very high effort... (and I am not talking about those "spin the wheel for a good tower" games. I am talking about Tower defense simulator and Tower defense X type of tower defense) also I think that there are not enough 1st/3rd person tower defense games. You know... the games like Rock of ages (debateable tower defense), Orcs must die series... games like that, where instead of being a "hand of god" placing obstacles you are a entity that is constantly overseeing the fight and sometimes directly interacting with the battlefield instead of relying on your defenses to do all the work.

[@thepikmin3385]

0:06 the devil: on septmeb-

[@undefind3426]

My first tower defense and first game ever is plants vs zombies. Ever since then I had a soft spot for this game franchise and is willing to stick with it to the very end

[@SlendHQ]

I remember this gamemode. Was fun.

[@greenfighter6911]

Me when I defend the doomspire

[@SlendHQ]

@@greenfighter6911 Extremely true

[@user-un2pf4ht9l]

I played this mod before, didnt know how to play and never play it again, now that know it was tower defend i feel bad i didnt know when it was popular

[@SeanBooker-b3q]

I love the inflation joke. 😂

[@monkeymanspunkyman]

Love me some monopoly 🔥

[@Mitioritos]

Its the guy from space! Hes online!

[@Sir.Meows-A-Lot]

But where's Joe? he's a Man but he's Silent.

[@Mitioritos]

@@Sir.Meows-A-Lot Joseph Mother?

[@Starmitzy]

Tower defense my goat

[@lordkaos31]

3:58 the elite defender(bottom path)is the cheapest tier five in the game im pretty sure and shreds the midgame I generally find him more useful than top path but they both have their usages…middle path sucks and sniper farming is terrible your gonna be done with the game before it pays itself off and there are much better options for dealing with clumped super ceramics. Edit-I checked and I was techically correct that it is the cheapest tier five but only by the technicality that the tier five upgrade itself is the cheapest in the game.If we account for tier 4s and below the ultra juggernaut is considerably cheaper not even breaking 19,000.The elite defender on the other hand costs about 24,000.But its also just an infinitely better tower that the ultra juggernaut at everything but super ceramics which its not even bad at.Unfortunately even in that relm of getting the bang for your buck top path glue gunner is actually the best he can solo most of the game and only starts to struggle once zomgs come in.Theres an argument to be made that hes actually the best tower in the game but im not gonna get into that.

[@yasouderuo]

i always think, what happened if this man experience tds in roblox

[@TWGatorade]

wonder what a tower defense game is... never heard of one...

[@eggbinary]

Valve should shift focus from deadlock to fhis

[@d_shadow.]

DAMMIT! I PLAYED WITH YOU WHILE MY STEAM NAME WAS "You got blood on my thuit" AS A LOONEY TUNES JOKE- Let me change my steam name back to Shadow and re-record the video with me 🥺 Also, I absolutely love tower defense in tf2! I wish there was more of it

[@Lovesillyseals]

Btd6 music yippee

[@tower_defense_enjoyer]

I am the tower defense enjoyer

[@konfutionkat9568]

1:31 NOT THE FRENCH??!?!?!!!?

[@22burnsie]

I feel like Brick mad a video on a tower defense server a little while back and did not get it

[@dunkdorn]

Bloons and mvm is the same category...

[@loonateek7013]

Bro, if you told me I could have played with you

[@ItsMadLadSir]

What do you mean you didn’t get the disposable sentry, orc blockade + ramster combo, lunar portal staff, and vengeful sun god for this? And you didn’t set pyro to multi-target mode, pair that with wooden floor spikes and you’re almost golden! … what do you mean I’m speaking gibberish?!

[@GuntherAmy-l1e]

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[@aveage-brush-player]

oh i just played one about 1h ago it was different tho there it was on a server called unceltopia? and i got a vacinator and held last for 15 min it was kinda stressful (all jokes aside am so sorry to that team i held 15min as a vac this thing is dumb)

[@VivianWasntHere]

Chester Schnapper would beat you in a fight

[@Gront517]

I thought everyone forgot theese how can I play?

[@sauceman2885]

I cant figure out how to find this in community servers

[@janwill1]

so btd but robot

[@LeightonEdwina-k5f]

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[@aguy3753]

next can we revive tf2ware

[@Д.К-ж8ф]

In what world being french is a buff?

[@GabrielLopez-pc9io]

Sorry to tell you this buuuuut i found a bug its the addcond

[@sebastiandzura2771]

how to play it tho

[@kadavru3882]

Isnt this a reupload?

[@alephcake]

wait does mvm not exist

[@nacicomi]

It does but it's not really tower defence, since there's no towers

[@LewisMabel-z7y]

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[@WalkerVirgil-i6q]

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[@grilledsaxton]

bro keep on saying "if you and your friends want to check it out". NONE OF MY FRIENDS PLAY TF2, THEY HATE IT FOR NO REASON AND IM THE ONLY ONE WHO PLAYS IT!!!!!!!!!!

[@cordak_Blaster]

It's just worse MVM

[@LordOfTheDeepDawn]

So, you've spent 9 minutes describing MvM?

[@rockowlgamer631]

NVM but it's Machine versus Machine

[@grenadier20]

No??

[@LordOfTheDeepDawn]

@@grenadier20 yes

[@grenadier20]

@@LordOfTheDeepDawn maybe.

[@janwill1]

I am the 10th comment. Now what

[@thehunt3rs_]

No one cares

[@janwill1]

@@thehunt3rs_ yeah and?

[@JordAuke-s5s]

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[@janwill1]

I can’t think of a good comment so make me the top comment for no reason

[@bigdapramirez6157]

Sounds like a terrible version of mvm