The FBI Said This is the Best Handgun (and Why They’re Wrong)

In response to numerous inquiries from local law enforcement departments, the FBI undertook a comprehensive evaluation of the sidearms available in 1987 (most of which are still made today) to determine which pistol was the best. Thirteen of the most talented instructors that the Federal Bureau of Investigation had to offer all met at a range to throw down with handguns from Glock, Ruger, Smith and Wesson, Sig Sauer, and Beretta. Even a CZ-75 clone was included for good measure. So which handgun did the FBI select as the best and how did they make this determination? And why does James completely disagree with the methodology and the results of the test? Watch today's video to find out. We also test a few of the guns from the trials and ‪@180SecondIdeas‬ and ‪@GBGuns‬ pitch in to assist with the field evaluation.
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[@hickok45]

Thanks a lot; now I have to hide my blunts in my neighbor's garage!

[@jonkR96]

Do a kickflip!

[@bronzeandsteel3344]

I always knew you were winking at us every time you smoked pot on the range

[@shawnshipstad9281]

Hickock, you naughty pot smoking gun slinger.

[@DonyaLane]

That totally cracked me up! LOL

[@vancedyer755]

LOL🤣

[@not.an.operator]

The trigger guard test was done for appendix carry. Rumor has it most FBI agents in the 80's would become hard as a rock the second they slid a .45 ACP handgun into their pants, sometimes crushing the trigger guard.

[@TheJBerg]

hehe

[@noahpettibon]

excellent

[@adamrodgers2377]

🤣🤣🤣

[@The_Hi_Life]

Dammit 😂

[@IWillSmurfYou]

Based

[@garyK.45ACP]

In 1990 I chose a SIG P228 (basically the same as the P226) for my duty gun for plainclothes duty and it served as my duty gun for the next 19 years, finishing out my 36 year LE career. I didn't know about the trigger guard issue. I never beat my trigger guard with a mallet. I know, weird. 🤷‍♂ Never had a problem with the trigger guard caving in on the trigger, though the gun did get dropped a few times. I still have the gun. It still works perfectly.

[@eindride1268]

It's still a better gun than most

[@tax905972]

They just beat the shit out of it because it was the most expensive gun out of all of them. It’s metal. You hit it with a hammer it’s gonna bend

[@tax905972]

Some of them most have been firefighters before they joined the FBI

[@tax905972]

I love 💕 my p226

[@sfertonoc]

Vegas machine gun ranges rate the Sig226 and Glock 19/17 as the toughest of all their guns.

[@tigeratlas]

Why would we think of the FBI as a credible source of any information😂😂😂.

[@nodescriptionavailable3842]

Because uhhhh Russia?

[@williamrobinson4265]

because they are literally one of the highest functioning organizations in history and currently on the face of the planet?

[@chrisragone8785]

Because some of us aren’t delusional nutbar factor 6 morons

[@shaneoverby5079]

Pretty sure the trigger guard test was requested by the ATF, to check how well the firearm would hold up in the case that the agent had fired all of his ammo and needed to beat someone's dog to death with his firearm.

[@MiamiVice.]

You're on to something

[@mattcocky8956]

Damn brother I wanted to say the same thing. You're a genius, my friend.

[@mikeb1638]

Not gonna lie, from the moment I saw ATF I knew where this was going lmfao 🤣👌

[@jeffreywoods3544]

Gotta say , you made me laugh.

[@greyman6353]

Only the ATF would request a clubbing test into gun trials. Wonder if they keep score like: 3.5 puppies or 2 huskies

[@gace1200]

Ah the FBI known for intelligence and honesty.

[@albundy322]

😂😂😂😂

[@jmmartin7766]

Good one, Ga Ce! Bwahhhhh!Hah!Hah!Hah!Hah!Hah!Hah!😆

[@smokingcrab2290]

Fuck the feds

[@drhughjass]

intelligence

[@nyogtheeldritchgentleman]

Shots fired….

[@conservos2349]

I'm old enough to remember why the FBI was so desperately looking for an improved handgun for their agents. In 1986 was the infamous Miami Shootout where poorly armed FBI agents got hurt bad by two bank robbers. 2 dead and 5 wounded. I'm surprised the maker of the video didn't mention this.

[@etutub]

7:20 "I would just as soon believe that you saw hickok45 kick-flipping down the street in a durag with a massive blunt dangling from his mouth as I believe that any Glock ever would have one malfunction in every box of ammo..." This is more than memorable. And the comment from @hickok45. Really made my week.

[@GBGuns]

Valid points about how user-error can be blamed on the gun.

[@dennism8346]

FBI stovepiping? Never happened. LOL

[@avguidotti]

It was a pleasant surprise to see you on this video. Nice crossover. I enjoy your videos 👍

[@GBGuns]

@@avguidotti thank you! It was awesome to shoot with James, Pete, and Johnny!

[@rcrites]

When has the government ever been wrong? it's always somebody else's problem

[@ratagris21]

Graham you went to work for Flowers By Irene (FBI - Simpsons)?

[@A5JDZK]

The trigger guard test was based on a real life incident where an agent used his firearm as an impact weapon while fighting a suspect. The suspect was struck with a handgun that had an aluminum trigger guard. It deformed and rendered the gun useless. In an attempt to correct this they came up with this test back then. Not sure it's still used today with the advent of impact resistant polymer and previous test results.

[@andriandmit]

Let's hope the agent learned that the guns are used for shooting and not hitting the suspects, but who am I kidding he probably did not :)

[@jessesims6232]

Very cool, thanks for the info!

[@Genesis23OPB]

using a gun as a club and then being surprised when said gun doesnt perform well as a club. classic.

[@Rand0m_H3r0]

I was gonna joke and say for a pistol whip test haha!

[@Matt-xc6sp]

Should we stop pistol whipping suspects ya think? FBI: Nah, just make the trigger guard stronger

[@PileofBrass]

Kansas Department of Corrections used the Ruger P95 when I stated my career there. The SORT team were issued these, while Ruger GP100's were for other armed officers. The P95's were a huge liability in incidental mag drops and the transitional triggers affecting accuracy. During my tenure as Armory officer, we moved to Gen 4 Glock 17's.

[@tax905972]

What liability? You only using them against prisoners. LoL. F them.

[@ClarenceCochran-ne7du]

P95s were junk. When you shake an empty gun, if it rattles, there's issues. Owned one, briefly, traded it for a S&W 5906, a much better made pistol.

[@tanhelmet]

The Bureau of Prisons had P89 and P95 they ranged in polished Aluminum and the weird fiberglass micarta plastic. They were chunky and never jammed.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

I have carried my Glock 27 since 1996 and it has never failed to go bang or lock back after last round. The Glock issue was due to limp wristing. Too many people are not aware of how important proper grip is when firing a firearm. Semper Fi my fellow Citizens.

[@jcgrumman7418]

I am new to handguns and decided on a Glock 48 mos for my EDC. While I love my 48, I have had three malfunctions in roughly 1500 rounds (all with one particular box of ammo) that were attributed to limp wristing. It concerns me because I believe that in a real world situation you may not always have an ideal grip regardless of training or technique. I believe that this issue is mostly due to the low weight of polymer handguns which is a benefit for EDC.

[@deadmeat8754]

You started using Glocks nearly a _decade_ after this FBI test. You have no qualification to speak on what caused the failures the FBI noted with the early generation Glocks submitted for testing. Besides, sergeant, "limp wrist" Glock holds don't account for disintegrating magazines (in the magazine well).

[@Petrolfox669]

10/10 shooters need to improve their grip as we speak

[@deadmeat8754]

@@Petrolfox669 Too true.

[@hks956]

I feel though that a gun should be a bit more forgiving for limp wristing. I've seen quite a few badge cams (policeactivity/codeblue) where officers get shot and run away wounded and then their glocks malfunction and get killed trying to clear the weapon. There were 2 last month on policeactivity of 2 wounded officers dying trying to clear their gen 5s. It kind of sucks that if you are wounded and not at full strength your weapon wont work.

[@garyandtricia1]

Having worked for a gov't agency. I can assure you that they knew what gun they wanted before the test started. And that the test results would come out in favor of that gun regardless of actual results. Add: Johnny B. "Stay on the ground!" Love J.B.

[@spoonerman]

I mean can you blame em? I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to shoot a shitload for free

[@SuicideVan]

Exactly. It's not a coincidence that Sig recently won the contract for sidearm, optic, and service rifle. I've shot a bunch of Sig stuff, good firearms sure, but there's no way in hell they honestly won all three contracts. Edit: I also forgot they also won a contract to supply ammo to the military for their service rifle. Cha-ching baby!

[@sethmullins8346]

@@SuicideVan I was surprised as hell sig beat glock in the handgun tests. Then inmediately they had to basically recall the m17 because it would go off if you dropped it. I'm thinking sig is paying some people for these test results.

[@joseESSJ]

@@sethmullins8346 stop the cap lol SIG didn’t paid no one

[@MalleusSemperVictor]

This is how contracts work.

[@Ieo9017]

This is the same FBI that missed a couple bank robbers with nearly every round they fired and decided the problem was the wrong caliber.

[@Nostradamus_Order33]

Word

[@RicArmstrong]

Lol 🤣👍

[@jasonjohnson6938]

I dunno, it mightve been (if it had been the other way around) I'm picturing, "crap, our agents can't hit anything. Let's give them .32s Acp instead of 10mm!"

[@hansgruber9685]

To be fair the few times they did make hits the bullets performed pretty poorly. Handgun calibers are pretty lame and inconsistent though until you get into the full size magnums.

[@Treblaine]

Also don't try to take on a guy with a rifle when you've only got handguns.

[@Mrpropulsion]

As a handgun instructor in the norwegian military (wich adopted the G17 in the late 80's), i have to point out that the problem with a failure to lock back when empty, is in fact quite a signifigant problem when you are training thousends of troops. Because of that problem we have to train all norwegian troops to presscheck the chamber, whenever done fireing (Empty or Target down). This procedure is not due to safety concerns on the range, but mostly due to field experience. I think this can be compared to the problems of having an external safety on a gun. It's not a big problem, but its's the kind of training you would rather have your troops spending on aiming- and trigger-control. However, i want to point out that i am not a glock hater! All tho i have chosen a different handgun for personal reasons, I think the glock is optimal for military use, becaue of it's simplicity to learn and handle, along with it's durability and price.

[@artfulalias3984]

Yours is a salient observation. I have the same issue with simply dismissing failure to cycle problems caused by "limp wrist". It is solvable with training. But in the field someone could have an injured hand, be extremely cold, fatigued, or all of the above. A design less subject to human error is simply more reliable. This is true of dozens of pistol design tradeoffs. It seems a human tendency, once a set of features is accepted, to then become cannon and dismiss or overlook the accompanying compromises. It is difficult to remove all subjectivity.

[@UrbanDefenseSystems]

@@artfulalias3984 The thing is, just about any lightweight polymer framed 9mm is going to have issues if you limp wrist it. It's in the nature of the design.

[@artfulalias3984]

@@UrbanDefenseSystems That's exactly the point. Once the advantages of a particular design, like light weight polymer frame 9mm striker fired autos are weighed against the trade-offs and accepted, its human nature to become vested in that choice being the best. The tradeoffs become unchallenged assumptions in "how things Should be". If they cause a problem its not viewed as a design problem that might be solved with engineering. Rather it Must be training or the individual or etc... I'm not suggesting militaries regress to steel frame revolvers. Only that its more rational to remember and pass on the knowledge, in order to gain these advantages, such and such tradeoff was made. This design is better for one mission. Another design is better for a different set of priorities.

[@UrbanDefenseSystems]

@@artfulalias3984 I don't disagree. I'm more so specifically pointing out that the Glock itself is not necessarily the only gun that limp wrists. Which it seems many people seem to believe.

[@pandabanana2593]

Not a fan of btf or stove pipes either. But glock just blames consumers even though they quietly fixed those issues in gen 4 and sneakily in mid gen 5

[@benredacted8468]

Once the letters FBI are uttered... We already know their wrong.

[@Snowcat-rg7bz]

Whatever they're selling, I'm not buying!

[@BryceCzirr-jz7ju]

Gotta be that guy. Because you're talking about someone being wrong. "They're"

[@benredacted8468]

@@BryceCzirr-jz7ju 😂😂😂 clever

[@chrisragone8785]

@@benredacted8468No just didn’t drop out of school in the 3rd grade

[@GrumpyNCO]

*thare

[@ralphholiman7401]

I went to work as an FBI agent in 1988. At the time, Smith and Wesson Model 13 .357's were general issue. HRT was carrying Browning High Powers and the SOG and SWAT teams were carrying Sig P226's. Semi-auto's weren't even authorized for regular agents, but a lot of us carried them as back ups. And, it's funny, I already owned an AT-84 (really just a Swiss made CZ75 clone) when I was hired, and that was my "gym bag gun" (what we used to call them) . The theory being, you would empty your revolver, and if there was still a threat or gunfight going on, you would just pull you "gym bag gun" and continue on. The idea being, that if it was a good shoot, using an unauthorized gun wasn't really going to matter, and it was a bad shoot, saying, "But, I used my issue gun" wasn't going to save you. Later in late 1988, they did authorize Sig P226's and some Smith and Wesson Semi-autos, and I bought a Sig P226 through a mass buy by the Agent's Association, for $425 if I remember correctly. Funny story is, my partner and I were sent to Fort Worth to pick up about sixty P226's for the agents in the Dallas office. The guns weren't assigned to any particular agent at that time, so he and I pulled over to the side of the road on the way back, and opened every box and compared the test targets and picked out the two guns with best target groupings for ourselves!) Later I sold the AT-84 to a friend in another agency, but I wish I had kept it. My son has that P226 now. And, I'll tell you in two words why the .45's got such high praise in that test. "John Hall". John Hall, who later became the head of the FTU, carried an unauthorized .45 in the FBI for years and the first thing he did after becoming head of FTU was to authorize .45's. More than anyone else, Hall brought the FBI into the future (sometimes too fast) when it came to handguns.

[@p1b1harper]

When the fbi was founded they didn't carry firearms and had no arrest power. Now look at them. A lesson here for sure.

[@ralphholiman7401]

@@p1b1harper , I think in retrospect, a two-part agency system, with, the FBI doing investigations, but the Marshals required to actually make the arrests, might have been a better way to go.

[@keuwlcat1319]

why was MLK killed?

[@YaHKaB_WaRYaL_YaSHaRaL]

So was you also told by a FBI director that the founding fathers, & us patriots that had a founding father fight in the Revolution, that they say we're domestic terrorists? I've heard them bastards teach that shit to field agents! The FBI are traitors for raiding us *NON PHYSICAL VIOLENT Americans homes to disarm us over petty ass, repugnant, unconstitutional laws or statues they are following- Marbury vs Madison 5 US 137, 174, 176. They are the domestic terrorists our founding fathers warned us about.

[@susanbutler2498]

Best true tale here Mate! I would have done exactly the same thing in your position!

[@rodneyalaking8241]

When the FBI tested long guns, the Brown Bess musket got a perfect score for never failing to chamber a round and 100% extraction. 🤯🤣

[@gunnermurphy6632]

Brown bess percussion conversion : hold my cap

[@stever8776]

@@gunnermurphy6632 Brown Bess was used for a long time by the British. And you are correct many were converted to percussion cheers

[@joshuabrown4030]

Any flintlock would fail from too many misfires. New Model Army matchlock musket ftw!

[@RWZiggy]

clearing the chamber after a misfire was very hard though

[@user-cn4tc5tq2s]

+1!

[@richardpcrowe]

I have run a couple of thousand rounds of various types of various types of prime and junk 9mm ammo through my Ruger P89 and have never experienced a failure of any type. I don't know if the P89 is better than the P-85, just that this has been my experience with a comparable pistol.

[@rickbrewer8507]

I have a P-85 that I purchased new when they first came out. I've only put about a thousand rounds of various manufacturers through it over the years, but I didn't experience any issues at all. Never had a problem ejecting the magazine. It was mentioned in the video that they had a problem with the decocker. Shortly after I purchased the gun, Ruger had me send my P-85 in to have the decocker replaced with a revised version. Don't know if the FBI's problem led to the revision. Never fired a P-89. I have a S&W 669 and a Sig P225 that I purchased a couple of years later. Never had issues with either one. I will note that I haven't put thousands and thousands of rounds through any of these so take my comments with that in mind.

[@bernardconeghen]

the problem gave the P85 a bad rep thats one of the reasons they went to the P89

[@paulmichniewicz9776]

My Buddy ran 4k thru his p85 with no malfunctions

[@markwhelan1652]

I've got the same P89. Bought it in 90-91. Thousands of rounds, still rocks.

[@nicks9541]

I haven’t considered any alphabet organization as a reliable or expert source in anything for quite a while

[@justsomeguyontheinternet5331]

I think the Department of Energy can reliably be counted on as an expert in nuclear arms. and their office of secure transport guys are absolute boss about fending off vehicle interdiction

[@machiavellireborn7541]

@@justsomeguyontheinternet5331 If Sam Brinton is anything to go by, our DOE is just as screwed.

[@justsomeguyontheinternet5331]

@@machiavellireborn7541 that mutant is a political appointee, not a one doing science or engineering

[@90whatever]

My college roommate joined the FBI after he left the military. In keeping in touch with him over his 15 yrs in the FBI he shared a lot about the training and they actually do know their shit really well and train hard...at least the field units he was at in the mid-west did. Probably the typical situation where at the unit level they are phenomenal but at the higher/hq/DC agency level they are a bureaucratic nightmare. Same situation we had in the military...things get stupid in DC but are good as you get to the units.

[@watariovids1645]

I don't even trust their ballistics tests anymore they are so blatantly incompetent and corrupt.

[@MagicPrepper]

I knew that all my 9mm's were trash. Thanks for the unbiased info FBI!

[@mr.painfultruth2771]

Years ago, I got a Glock 17, brand new, out the box...first time on the firing range, it wouldn't take hollow points (jammed up), it didn't like reloads (I know, many pistols don't) . A month later, I had a "hang fire" malfunction. I traded it in for a HK USP...no problems with THAT weapon

[@craigfinley2507]

What is hk usp

[@johnharris8191]

HK, everything a Glock cannot be.

[@kencleg7721]

Magazine

[@garypettit5176]

Sadly, a fella that has had that exact same problem with every pistol ever made can be easily found which had not stopped so many from buying 2 or 3 from every manufacturer.

[@craigfinley2507]

@@johnharris8191 is it a certain type gun who makes it

[@TheConcealedCarryChannel]

The M645 is the only gun on that list I don't own and have never shot. Having said that, if I had to choose just one gun from the list, It would be the SIG P226. I own 2 of them and although they are on the larger side I have never had a single issue with either one. Accuracy, reliability and trust mean a lot. Great video!

[@johnnytyler5685]

The "second and third gen" Smiths were extremely popular with law enforcement agencies back in the 1980's. My dad was the Chief Deputy for his Sheriff's Department in the late 80's and he did all the procurement stuff when the department would get new guns. Because of that, he would also usually buy a few guns directly from the distributor at cost and he kept them locked up in a vault, untouched since the 80's. He never fired any of them. S&W revolvers, Colt Pythons, and yes, "second and third gen" Smith & Wessons. I actually think that my dad owns the first production S&W 4506 ever made, which was the replacement for the 645. It has a serial number of "0000", but I can't remember what the prefix is. Those guns have three letter prefixes before the numbers, so there is a chance that he just has the first gun in that prefix batch, but it is definitely an early, square trigger guard, non-dash 4506, and the four numbers in the serial are definitely "0000" because I remember how shocked I was when he showed them to me in the late 90's or early 2000's. Actually, the funny part is that he was shocked too. He never paid attention to that kind of stuff...he just bought the guns and put them in his vault and he will likely never take them out again until he dies and I inherit them. That's just how he is. I tried to get him to call S&W back when he showed me the gun to see if they could confirm that it was the first production 4506 ever made, but I don't think he ever did. When I turned 21 he gave me the 4516 that he bought at the same time as the 4506. The 4516 has a serial number under 0050 and it actually IS one of the first 50 production examples of the 4516 ever made because I checked it. So I'm almost certain that the 4506 he has actually IS the first gun to roll off the production line. I've always loved those first, second and third gen S&W semi-autos and I always will, even if they are "obsolete" by today's standards.

[@rdh5961]

That's a very cool story and great collection. I ordered a 4506 as my first handgun and I still have it. It came with the square trigger guard and adjustable sights. Very cool gun that that carried around my area by the police until they adopted the Glock 21.

[@johngregory4801]

The 1911 is obsolete by today's standards, and it's still kicking ass. My first pistol was a 659. Wish I still had it.

[@rdh5961]

@@johngregory4801 very cool gun

[@johnnytyler5685]

@@rdh5961 Yeah, the "third gen" S&W semi-autos in particular were extremely popular with law enforcement in the late 1980's and throughout the 1990's. I'm sure it was probably because pretty much all of the law enforcement agencies had carried Smith & Wesson revolvers for 60+ years and when they all started transitioning to semi-autos in the 1980's, buying another S&W product made sense. S&W probably gave them good deals on the guns as well. That's actually how my dad ended up with the 4506 and 4516 in the first place. His department was transitioning from revolvers to semi-autos in 1988 and that just happened to be the year that the 4506 and 4516 were released. That was two years after the 1986 Miami FBI shootout and that event really was the catalyst that moved ALL American law enforcement agencies away from revolvers and into semi-autos for good. The FBI handgun evaluation that is the topic for this video took place in 1987...the year after the Miami shootout...and the next year, 1988, was when many police departments (including my dad's) started making the move from revolvers to semi-autos. The rapid and widespread adoption of semi-autos was specifically because of the 1986 shootout and the release of the final reports from the FBI's studies on "stopping power" and "semi-autos vs. revolvers" to law enforcement agencies nationwide in the 1987/1988 timeframe. Those FBI reports made it clear that revolvers were totally obsolete in law enforcement service.

[@rdh5961]

@@johnnytyler5685 what a great story and thank you for sharing. I can also attest that the 4506 would never have the trigger guard damaged from impact. That thing is built like a tank and just as heavy.

[@GBGuns]

This was a fun test to run, thanks for including me!

[@tfbtv]

Thanks for playing!

[@racer14glr91]

How much Truly did it cost you?

[@GBGuns]

@@racer14glr91 As an Oregonian I brought some real beer for after hours.

[@neverlistentome]

@@tfbtv the at84 was swiss made, imported and stamped by IMI/action arms. Great video.

[@racer14glr91]

@@GBGuns surely James could handle them.

[@doubletapper44]

Wow! By far one of the most fascinating comparisons I’ve watched on KZbin. I really enjoyed the no distracting rock band background music, the fast paced no Bravo Sierra discussions, and uncovering some real facts about human bias and government politics.. The results of the testing stats are eye-opening. It is brilliant analysis.

[@garyreams8123]

One advantage of the "Clock 19" was that you were always on time for shoot outs and were never late to work.

[@Xenophon1]

I carried my stock G-17 Gen 1 as a cop in the late 80's into the 90's. It was accurate on combat courses and never malfunctioned.

[@basedyt6485]

FYI- the Ruger P89 was issued by Wisconsin State Police & San Diego PD for years. No doubt more field service than the 1006/1066/1076 ever saw. That said, my trigger time on a Raleigh, NC PD 1076 left me impressed. It was, however, a brick. Great shooter with "FBI loads" though. The entire test was an exercise in fuckery. Beretta, as it had since 1976, showed the superiority of the 92 series.

[@Brees1986]

My first handgun, and one I still own, is the P90DC. Great gun, but without a question very heavy.

[@coyster530]

I had a ruger p90 it was heavy but I loved the way it shot and it looked so cool which is always a plus

[@dpmcdonough9950]

@@Brees1986 Lu

[@christopherhamilton5557]

I still have my P89, had it for years. I love that firearm. Absolute tank. Fun to shoot. I’ve only carried it a few times. I generally carry my S&W Shield.

[@philobetto5106]

@@coyster530 most accurate, arm fully extended shooting the gun on its side

[@TheOGRobertCarrasco]

I enjoyed this and am looking forward to the followup video on the IRS' favorite...

[@briant7652]

I saw some beat up Beretta M9's in the Army and the only failure I saw with one was a mag failure. Great gun.

[@Livi_Noelle]

I trust the FBI as much as I trust a fart after eating Taco Bell.

[@johndobson2674]

"You're under arrest, but maybe we can work something out." God, you even nailed the hypocrisy of the FBI (really anything under the DOJ) in this intro.

[@allunavaliable]

any cop, you mean.

[@jamesjewell3515]

@@allunavaliable I predict a place for you in a federal prison eventually, since you smack of militia mindset and paranoid delusions.

[@jamesjewell3515]

Paranoid often, or continuously?

[@leaonardland9001]

The FBI has been corrupt for a long time.

[@ImperiumLibertas]

@@allunavaliable local police are usually better. The FBI and DOJ aren't anything but the federal force arm.

[@gordythomas1693]

James, this is first time I had seen this study. I started my police career in the early 1980's and started out with a S&W revolver, transitioned to a 1911 and then bought my own S&W 459. Never new of it's capabilities under the F.B.I studies. I do know that I carried it in SWAT for many years, and it worked flawlessly. I still have the gun and will take it out to test it against my Glock 19 and 17 and, the Shadow systems. Thanks for your info

[@stevenstevens3968]

Think I just found a new favorite channel. I love the way you roast people.

[@horticulturist2338]

The Department of Corrections I worked for used to use the Ruger P series, and holy crap. They were garbage. We had guys having de-cock levers flying off during regular range quals.

[@brianfischer5609]

I had a p95 for a few years. I really did not like that pistol.

[@PileofBrass]

Our DOC used them too. They sucked.

[@nickyj3571]

Its also only $200 for a Good Brand Name

[@girthbrooks5078]

My guide rod spring went flying down the range fock the p89. Pos

[@stever8776]

Wow I haven't heard much about the Ruger's poor performance. I just didn't like the way they felt. So Luckily I never bought one

[@Embassy_of_Jupiter]

13:00 A ranger hikes through the woods, sees a bunch of pistols on the ground, tastes them, still warm: "A James Reeves has traveled through this area not more than 30 minutes ago"

[@amdenis]

Great video. Yes, the IMI AT84 is fairly rare but did exist. It’s a Swiss-made CZ 75 style of handgun.

[@deadmeat8754]

Yes, but it was from ITM a Swiss manufacturer that made very high quality CZ clones that were used by many special police and military units of that era (including Israeli). It is possible that the FBI tested a sample of the Sphinx systems CZ clone from a partner Israeli LE Agency. IMI later produced their own CZ clone called the Jericho 941. In fact, they still make CZ clones today.

[@muddyhotdog4103]

No, the IMI AT84 from Israel doesnt exist. The *IMT* AT84 does exist. That's literally what he said in the video too, it's a Swiss made cz75 clone. The ones brought to the USA were riddled with qc issues as they were basically built from Tanfoglio parts and sold as "swiss" precision (they werent).

[@grandfaultimperceptor]

FBI chose the S&W 1076 (10mm) after the Miami shoot-out and as a result I bought a model 1026 (full size version). It cost me $385 with my FFL in 1991 and extra mags were $29 each. I bought 4 (gun came with 1). God I loved that gun! But I was young and dumb and eager to try new things and straight traded it for something I am too embarrassed to admit to. 30 years later and I have never stopped kicking myself over that trade.

[@branned]

FBI could not handle the 10mm. Its the truth.

[@evandailey5110]

@@branned specifically, female officers couldn't. When you add women to a man's job it devolves to their ability level. Like our military. And once you drop the bar that low, why not keep dropping it yo the next "special" group and the next...

[@branned]

@@evandailey5110 The military had the same issue with the large grip of the Beretta. It was not the round.

[@grandfaultimperceptor]

@@branned Having owned both I can say the Berretta has a much larger grip. Also, there are notes from the FBI specifically concerning female officers inability to manage the recoil for secondary shot placement. It had everything to do with the round, hence the 40S&W or 10mm short- a face saving move; still technically 10mm. This info is not hard to come by.

[@branned]

@@grandfaultimperceptor Yes, I know that story. Heck, in Afghan would have carried the 1911 but the military likes small rounds to spray targets with. I like the 40S&W. I have never owned a 10mm. In bear country I just carry the .45 ACP. Not great but it's me....😁😁

[@schulzbrianr]

James trying to be Paul Harrell pulling 20 guns out of his pockets.

[@fredbloggs5902]

At an organisation level, the decision is a cost/benefit analysis. At a personal level, the decision is staying alive.

[@jamesjewell3515]

Unfortunately, I have the experience of killing four enemies with a .45 in combat in Vietnam. As a Marine I appreciated one round to the torso knocking them down at less than 20 yards. In civilian life, in law enforcement, I was forced to kill two armed individuals with a .9mm. I prefer the .45, but carry a .9mm Glock 48 concealed carry in retirement. At 72 I am still a good shot, but the recoil matters. The FBI, like most bureaucracies, is bogged down in details and committee decisions. If it were not for this chronic human problem the Marine Corps would still be carrying the M14 instead of the M4/M16.

[@dasboot9471]

You mean American humans quickly becoming pansies? Agreed

[@Plata-ori-plumbu]

Got them all except for the Ruger (my S&W is the 645). I've gotten stupid-accurate with the G17; I used to loathe Glocks. “My only love sprung from my only hate!" -Shakespeare ( when he wasn't as drunk as I am now. lol )

[@Gun_Talk]

Remember when FBI also said that. 40cal is like super duper awesome? That didn't age well.

[@gymntonic]

Yep, after they found out they couldn't train their agents on the S&W 1006 & 1076,

[@mickjagger5469]

The 40 S&W is an awesome caliber.

[@jmmartin7766]

@@gymntonic I find that pathetic...

[@TheDroneNerd]

@@mickjagger5469 exactly

[@jimmymcclure4549]

The .40 is awesome. Their wimpy agents found the recoil too much. Accountants and lawyers aren't real gun friendly.

[@tyw2675]

This FBI test seems like the least scientific way to go about testing guns, teeming with errors and biases.

[@link10909]

Who said that wasnt the point... you want to buy a gun for your agency, you dont want to buy complete crap, but you also want to buy something your people will like/accept. You also have to justify your buy to the bean counters. So you design a test with enough play that it lets you justify what you want.

[@MellowFellowOfYellow]

@@link10909 you even have to do this shit in the private sector. It’s a classic tactic to procure what you need because giving too many specific requirements makes it too easy for leadership to nitpick every detail

[@jacobackley502]

You really ought to read the Thompson-LaGarde tests. Now those suckers were hilarious biased

[@ramonesparza8707]

Stoopid! I say that not as an insult but as a complimentary response to the humor you always inject in your videos. Always enjoy. Rock on TBF!

[@oatmealsnickers]

Love the cameo from GB Guns, great local guntuber!

[@GBGuns]

I was happy to he able to participate!

[@ihavetowait90daystochangem67]

Thank God I’m arrested for not watching enough TFB TV and not because I have a USB full of Child Po-

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

*FBI OPEN UP*

[@typicalchannelname3796]

Child Poems?

[@mabs9503]

Haha funny joke what's ur discord name bro?

[@commanderosis435]

You're fine if your name is hunter

[@commanderosis435]

@hunter s I see what you did there

[@TommyTombstone]

"I would just as soon believe that you saw Hickok45 kick-flipping down the street in a durag, with a massive blunt dangling from his mouth, as I'd believe that any Glock *ever* would have one malfunction for every box of ammo." Pure poetry.

[@thomaswoosley4821]

I was just getting interested in handguns in the mid-80s and my first purchase was the S&W 645. All my gun freak friends were impressed with the smooth trigger out of the box and it is one I still have and probably will never sell. My next purchase was the P-85 which I got from a wild-life officer friend who moved on to one of the S&W 9mm models of the day. My main interest in the P-85 was it being Ruger's first stab into semi-auto center-fire pistols. Everything you ever heard about how horrendous the P-85 was is likely true with one of the worst triggers imaginable. It has been reliable and with some spring changes and a little polishing can be improved on but there are clearly better options. It's built like a tank and if you run out of ammo, it could make a serious dent in an attackers head. I suspect one reason the Glocks did not fare well in the FBI test was that in those days polymer frames were a relatively new concept and many simply didn't have faith in them. Polymer frames have since stood the test of time and those phobias have for the most part gone away.

[@nursesteve12]

I sliced my finger on something every time I fired that gun! Finally sold it to a carpenter friend who had huge callouses on his hands.

[@yung9801]

This vid was full of content and humor. Well done!!

[@M9A1MAN]

When I was in the Sheriff's Dept for 8 years I was issued a Beretta 92F which had already been in service and was close to 25 years old already by the time it got in my hands. Man what a great handgun. I am sure before they gave me a 25 year old gun they replaced springs, firing pin, etc. on it, but for being that old, the gun performed amazing. I shot thousands of rounds through it during my career. Loved it so much I purchased my own M9A1. The last year I was in, we switched to the M&P9. Great freaking gun as well, tons of ND's though throughout the dept, especially by the cops that had been on 20+ years and were not used to not having a safety and DA/SA trigger. I liked the S&W MP9 so much, that even after I left I purchased several of them, including the 2.0 versions. I gotta say though, I still enjoy shooting the Beretta more. We were not allowed to carry Glocks as they were not on our approved list at the time, but I have shot many of them. Great guns, super reliable, but just don't like the ergos on them. In my opinion this study was biased as hell, and Glock, Beretta, and Sig should have been the top 3 no question.

[@UDPride]

Riggs and McLane approve!

[@YaHKaB_WaRYaL_YaSHaRaL]

Yo, when are you retired officers or other officers going to unite with us to fight these traitor bastards? It's going to have to take men like you, ex servicemen, & ex SF guys to lead the way. AND WE WILL FOLLOW! WE NEED ANOTHER AMERICAN REVOLUTION AGAINST THEM, THE ATF, THE CORRUPT DOJ, & DOD. The DOD ran by that CRT Indoctrinating, pushing POS general Milley!

[@brentreeve7554]

Those Berettas aren't necessarily the best guns out there, but they are TANKS! I have a 96 Centurion I bought ~15yrs ago from a police equipment store. It was supposedly an officer's or detective's duty gun for years so no telling how many rds have been through it before me. Never been a huge fan of .40S&W, but I've probably put roughly 1-2K through and haven't done a single thing to it (several types and brands) and it just runs. Nitpicking, it could probably use a new recoil spring (or entire spring set) and maybe even a barrel to squeeze out the best accuracy, but I'll likely run it until it fails (which it hasn't yet to my recollection except maybe a return to battery). Big deal, it's a range toy and EDC option if/when other preferred calibers are unobtainable.

[@DrakeWind]

I thought I was watching Paul Harrel when you started pulling all that shit out of your jacket pockets.

[@schulzbrianr]

Dammit, beat me to it

[@chrishuntingchris2723]

He's cool, he's not Paul Harrel cool

[@joeyphillips1181]

That Hickok 45 reference was hilarious lol

[@johngaither9263]

Didn't the FBI do a huge series of performance tests on different calibers of pistol ammunition after the Miami shootout fiasco? That event shook their confidence in the 9mm round and led them to unofficially state "Any caliber is OK as long as it starts with a 4". Where they promptly adopted the Colt Delta Elite in 10mm. The 10mm was too stout in recoil and ushered in the .40 S&W which pleased no one.

[@jeffanon1772]

Johngaither...the .40 S&W round hardly "pleased nobody"... it's an acceptably powerful accurate round that has successfully served dozens of L.E. Agencies for years & years...

[@stever8776]

Analysis of the1986 Miami FBI Firefight lead to a lot changes and improvements in law enforcement. You need to look this up no room her to correct all your errors. The FBI did not adopt the Colt Delta elite. After a lot of ballistic tests they choose the 10 mm with 2 different power levels. The pistol they adopted was the S&W 1076 with a decocker similar to the Sig 226. The powerful version of the 10mm was too much for many agents. But the lower power was developed into the .40 S&W. And for a long time the Glock 22 in .40 S&W became the USA police departments most popular gun

[@MiJaHa]

@@stever8776 My favorite part was when they started having accidental discharges with the 1076 on decocking.

[@stever8776]

@@MiJaHa The 1066 had a lot of problems. Including not being able to cock them, jamming plus the size was heavy. Grip was too big for those with smaller hands. If the FBI wanted a Sig, then they should have had Sig build it. They end up switching to the S&W 4006 variants. I had a 1006 and a 1066. I got rid of the 1066 even though it had "all the upgrades to "fix" them per S&W. I never had problems with either. But I didn't trust them. Plus I started carrying Colt 1911A1s in 1980. I prefer the manual of arms on the them. I went back to my Colt Gold Cup. I also bought a Delta Elite and changed out the recoil spring system to one made by Kings. I prefer a SAO vs a DA / SA.

[@MiJaHa]

@@stever8776 Whichever model it was, I also never understood why they went with 10mm & then had it downloaded by Federal to .45 specs. Why not just go to .45 in the first place?

[@joshuabessire9169]

Best use of FBI ammunition is mag dumping into the air while screaming as your friend runs away.

[@JerryEricsson]

24 years on the Police Department. Over those years, as a gun collector and cop, I carried several of these particular guns, or at least a version. When I began policing, of course we were issued revolvers, smith 19's. I purchased a M1911A1 plain old milspec and replaced the 19 because I was an old soldier and carried it in Nam, loved the old pelter. Still have one. Then I purchased a Smith Model 59. Not bad but I didn't really have a lot of faith in the 9mm, I guess my old military training. One day I picked up a Glock 19 and carried it for a year or two. Not bad but it was 9mm and again I guess if I could blast 18 rounds of 9 I figured I was well armed. No we didn't get paid for shit back then so when it came to wanting a Sig 220, the price kept me out of that market, but back then Astra made a clone and I bought one. The Astra A100. I carried that for the rest of my time on the PD and loved everything about it except for the weight compared to the Glock. I shot better with it, usually topping the list of qualification scores probably because I was an avid re-loader and shot thousands of handgun rounds from several old handguns and almost as many .223 rounds from my Cold AR-15 and Ruger Mini-14's. I was also an avid deer hunter my favorite deer gun was a Remington 700 in 25-06 for the long range shots on the open prairie in Western North Dakota. So my top from this group would be the SIg in .45ACP. But that's just me. My experience with the Smith 59 was based on the original model which had a very gritty DA trigger that I simply hated.

[@Sig_P229]

Someone I knew carried a Sig P220 in .45. He got in a few shootouts with 8 round mags and changed fairly quick. Good firearm, but reloading can get you killed.

[@rebchizelbeak5392]

Sounds like you actually did your job and trained. You likely could have topped the qual scores with a snub nosed revolver with the time you put in. Some cops don’t touch the trigger until a couple of days before their qual exam comes up.

[@Sig_P229]

@Jonathan Nieve I respectfully disagree. Not too many people would say the P226 is obsolete. I own a Glock and a West Germany Sig P226. I would carry my Sig first. It has been through thousands of rounds flawlessly. The P320 series…. That is a different story, but it’s hard to say the P365 is obsolete though. It created the very idea of high capacity micro 9s.

[@johnganshow5536]

@Jonathan Nieve And he said the Glock 19 holds 18 rounds of 9mm, they must have used extended magazines?

[@CeltKnight]

When I started policing way, way back, I had a Browning Hi-Power (and still have it). A coworker had a SIG P220 .45 and was retiring. So $100 a month bought me that slightly used, almost new pistol. Like you said, they didn't pay squat back then so that's the only way I afforded it. I shot that SIG so much it finally developed some accuracy issues so, broken hearted (LOVED that gun) I swapped it for an H&K USP .45 ... then got issued a Remington-Rand 1911 the Army loaned my dept through their DRMO program. Then we went to issue guns and I got a SIG P229 followed later by a SIG P226 (that I was given when I retired). I can remember attending various firearm training by the FBI, including a basic SWAT course. They liked buzzwords like "subsonic" and "tactical" and such.

[@charlesvillasenor2064]

Your the man! Thank you for all your content! Made my night!

[@LarryWilliams-xu8qs]

The “Clock 19” was the only one with a built in timer.😅

[@zackaryk2000]

About the Glocks being unsafe on their test, I can almost say with absolute certainty that your summation is correct. When my Department of Energy site switched us from P226 DA/SA's to Glock 17 gen4's somewhere around 2015, we were on the line for "familiarization fire," and 2 old-heads to my left and right let a round go into the dirt several feet in front of us on the draw because they were staging their triggers. Scared the shit out of both of them. They later criticized God's Plastic for being "dangerous," while I contended they were the unsafe turds who violated the second General Firearm Safety Rule. "Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target... Unless you don't feel like like it or something." Always great content, thanks boys!

[@saa8488]

Staging the trigger used to be a thing on old Sig’s with that mile long pull. It’s hard to get the old guys to break bad habits (they were bad habits that were taught)

[@Mockturtlesoup1]

Yup. Same thing happened when the LAPD switched from Berretas to glocks. Bunch of NDs. So of course you get the same, "See? Glocks are dangerous" from the 1911(or whatever else) fan bois online. My response was the same as yours: It doesn't show that the glock is 'dangerous', it shows how the safeties/decockers/long and heavy first trigger pulls, etc. on these guns mask poor trigger discipline/safe handling habits.

[@kirk2767]

I would never carry a Glock. I think they have unnecessarily light (and thus unsafe) triggers.

[@zackaryk2000]

@@kirk2767 that's a good joke!

[@saa8488]

@@kirk2767 lol k

[@tomjoseph1444]

I know the man who did all the testing for LASO. He tried to get S&W to make a couple of changes on their weapons but they refused. Their stubborness cost them the contract. LASO's initial order was 12,000 Berettas.

[@FatGuyEngineer]

Ah yes, Legendary All Skulls On from Halo. LASO

[@lwilson1234]

The Ruger is also known as a "Doody" gun.😂

[@sealove79able]

"A Super special " that was a good one Mr.James.

[@joshuar4470]

First handgun I bought way back when was a Ruger P89DC.. still have it today and love shooting it. Never had an issue of any kind over all these years

[@yadjekim]

After over a decade of flawless performance, I did eventually replace the extractor and lighten the trigger pull on my 89dc. i gave one son the 89dc and other the P-90....Also, HAD TO get those Hogue grips. Huge difference!

[@zacharyrollick6169]

I have a P89DC and a P95DC. Love 'em. And Mec-gar makes 17 round mags for them, which is a major plus.

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

I wish Ruger would bring the P series of pistols back into production. If they did all metal pistols would probably make a comeback.

[@FCV0511]

I loved the 13:25 Paul Harrel coat of infinite holding. This was a great video and an excellent look into the well-intentioned, but flawed, methodologies used in that testing. Not to mention it featured some lovely hammer-fired semi autos.

[@KGBBooks]

One day I’d love to see Harrell take a sandwich out of his coat pocket during a video

[@nostradamus7648]

@@KGBBooks Take a bite while talking and continue.

[@leefithian3704]

Harrel is a God of sorts 🤟

[@Thabosshoss]

More like this please! Informative, and funny. Might just do a celebratory desk pop I am so happy!

[@marksd5650]

Fascinating study! And thank you for the effort, the tenacity, the dry humor, the sarcastic wit, etcetera that is James Reeves. Fun stuff and they absolutely got it way wrong. P226 legion all the way baby. I can put 30 rounds in a two inch circle at 10 yards-all it takes is a little trigger and support hand control. Best Regards James.

[@huntmatthewd]

This. 👆 I actually love my Sig SP2022's in 9mm. Just a reliable, intuitive design with a great trigger and accurate.

[@huntmatthewd]

...and I don't hate Glocks. Just shoot better with Sigs.

[@DavidBrown-wo9ip]

I was a “Sig guy” back in the late ‘80’s to late 90’s. In that time there was no way I would own a “plastic” gun, until the summer of ‘99, when the G23 would be my handgun of choice, switching to Glock 9mm’s in 2011. I’m pretty sure FBI agents felt largely the same way about those “plastic” guns, back in ‘87. I’m just surprised that when all of the guns showed up for testing, that they didn’t dump all of the 9mm’s and simply tested the Sig P220 vs the S&W 645, and called it a day, lol.😎✌️

[@1REDRoCKER1]

Round count

[@PPISAFETY]

I felt the same way back then. I carried a SIG P220 or a Colt LW Commander for a while and felt well armed. I really wouldn't consider a Glock when they first got here. Then I got a G;ock 23, and set about trying to break it or make it jam. It wouldn't do either. I had some buddies who were still "all SIG, all the time", and when one of them started spouting off about how superior the SIG was to the Glock, I'd say, "Well there is one thing your SIG can do that my Glock won't", and they'd eagerly say "What is that?" I'd reply "Rust". That got me more than one dirty look but at the time it was true. Like you I ended up with a Glock 19 that I went to for both on and off duty in 2007.

[@Will-sk9oj]

This comment is for U TUBE : Why do u continue to ask me for a reply but then u only allow it to stay up for a few minutes , or else u don't post it at all ☹️

[@michaelhodges8312]

My three: -Sig P226 in 40 S&W with Short Reset Trigger(SRT) and Action Enhancement Package(AEP). -H&K USP40 LEM with LEM Light trigger spring kit. -Glock 23 Gen5 with McNally trigger assembly and Ameriglo night sights.

[@walkingwolf8072]

Well my three when I didn't mind the extra weight. GP100 in border patrol holster, model 60 in crossdraw holster on left hip, NAA mini revolver in my pocket. Back when I was still on patrol I carried a model 28 converted to 44 spl in my border patrol, a 1911 in a shoulder holster under my jacket, and Sterling 380 in my pocket. Lead sap in a special pocket on the uniform pants, and a pig sticker in my boot. I could not bring myself to give damn about what the FBI thought, even in the 80's we considered them a pariah.

[@georgeroiz8786]

Excellent choices

[@shadesigmon3647]

I've got the old FBI hat from the 80s , you needed !! This is crazy I've owned gen 1 thru 4 on glocks 9 and 40 , two different signs a 226 229 , all these I was copying exactly what fbi and law enforcement used , and I didn't shoot as much as I do these days but I swear I cannot remember a malfunction on the sig 226 now I didn't get mine till early mid nineties, . I'm super impressed you were able to aquire the actual spec sheets for tests !! You remember all the hopla over 10 then opting for 40 cal , then watching it disappear from scenery. The first glock I found in west virgina at Mac and Dave's back in early nineties was a gen 2 in 40 used for 700 glocks used to be a grand back in the old days in the mountains!!

[@shadesigmon3647]

Totally wrong on my old prices it was the sig p226 that was 700 used with a new price of 1,200. Even back then but the new gen 2 glock 40 was 700 new , not that it matters you've taken me back to beginning, pure nalstaga, remember when the LAPD Swat and NYPD swat both went with Kimber TLE 2 in 45 , I followed suite , I don't think one could ever go wrong following what most government and law enforcement agencies use .

[@oldmgtow5323]

The Federal Bureau of Prisons adopted the Ruger P89 in 1995 and still uses them in most locations.

[@neglectfulsausage7689]

thats cuz prison guards are the drop outs of the enforcmeent world. Its like what do you call a doctor that flunks medical school? A dentist.

[@rumsin300]

P89 is a great gun.

[@davidhalbisen6507]

I've had no issues with my P89, and have had it for ages.

[@taurus600]

The Beretta 92 is one of my all time favorite weapons and I've gotta say it did great on these ridiculous tests.

[@edwardsones6220]

My PT 111. Held strong .

[@Adam-oh3vu]

when i was a kid, i hated that gun cus of how it looked in video games and movies, now that im older and can legally shoot one, its not bad :3

[@David-sr5xj]

The Beretta 92 FS is the gangster of all guns.

[@s0nnyburnett]

@@David-sr5xj *godfather

[@allen4758]

The 1st automatic I bought, and the only one iv kept all these years, it will never leave here , my absolute all time favorite , iv never actually had to use it , but it will be my go to if shtf

[@Justacogg]

The Beretta M9-A1 is tough to beat! I own two, full and compact models. The slide rolls as if it’s on bearings!

[@vincentstouter449]

The FBI was just trying to keep up with the “Aberdeen Proving Ground” on how to rig a competition in order to achieve the predetermined outcome. 😎

[@murphykenji]

Among the most entertaining TFB video's, James is lobbing some zingers on this one.

[@handydan5150]

In the aftermath of the 1986 Miami shootout, I tracked the FBI testing with interest. I also polled a few of the agencies in SoCal that allowed .45 ACP pistols. There was good reason for a guy to want a .45 at the time. The 9mm ammo of the era genuinely sucked, which is sort of what kicked all of this off, and gave us he 10mm, and eventually, the .40S&W. Fortunately, the advances in bullet design have elevated the performance of the 9mm to be more or less the equal of the .40/.45, so it really isn't an issue any more, but there was a good reason for it, then.

[@wilshirewarrior2783]

Fire power..fire power..fire power!

[@rickyjohnson9594]

10 mm best or all beast it is more power then a tank Ventura extreme defense ammco his Thur level 3 body armor 44 mag wount ha terminator

[@wstavis3135]

9mm at the time was not any worse in actual shootings than the 45ACP. It always had roughly the same performance. The new ammo technology has improved the performance of both rounds.

[@handydan5150]

@@wstavis3135: Meh. Evans and Sanow had a significant body of data at the time that appeared to support the "big bore is bitchin'" perspective. It was precisely the failure of one of the most advanced hollow point designs extant during the Miami shootout that spurred the FBI to look at cartridges with better penetration.

[@jacobmccandles1767]

@@rickyjohnson9594 in non-gibberish please.

[@jeremyhahn2478]

In the 90's a few episodes of the X-Files had Mulder carrying a Sig. Later on he switched to the glock. My 14yo self really wanted that Sig... A few years later I really wanted Monica Reyes on the show instead, but I digress...

[@hhstarwars]

Dude in yellow cussing because of the reload fumble 😂 killed me!

[@bobrogers2726]

I have shot competitions for years, averaging well over 500 rounds per week. My first handgun was a Glock 19. I had a little over 23,000 rounds through it before I had a malfunction. Trigger return spring broke. Yes, I had plenty of times the slide did not lock back when empty, but it was always my thumb on the release that was the cause. I switched to a Glock 34 for competition and have shot over 100k rounds without a failure.

[@chrisjtal21]

😂😂😂. 23k and 100k no failure. This is why so many operators hate glock because people like you. You just saying this makes me feel like you've never shot a gun in your life.

[@marcusrat4466]

@@chrisjtal21 you one of em operator bros?

[@chrisjtal21]

@@marcusrat4466 Maybe. Who know. But does one ever truly know.

[@marcusrat4466]

@@chrisjtal21 wow, you even talk like an operator bro!

[@donkeydonkey8681]

@@chrisjtal21 you realize the actual pistol of the real "operators" is a Glock 19, right? Im not rreally a fan boi but I was sitting at an armorers course with about a dozen socom armorers who stated there was no way they were going to the P320.

[@adqak503]

I carried the S&W Mod 645 beginning in 1988 but replaced it a few years later with the Glock Mod 21. I loved my 645 and still have one today, but the G21 was a much better gun for work, at least in my opinion. I still have it too.

[@rdh5961]

Very cool. My local department still uses the Glock 21, with detectives getting the 30.

[@mot0rhe4d40]

AR state police rocked the G21 for a long time, packed with golden sabers. We have the Lonoke, AR Remington plant here. Gotta support your local boys. I run a S&W M&P 45c myself.

[@kaig453]

I love my G21 and G30. Load them with Speer Gold Dots and they are mean machines!

[@rdh5961]

@@kaig453 I went to get the 21, but handled the lighter 41 with the MOS cut and ended up getting both. I really like the lighter weight of the 41 and I got a KKM 10mm conversion barrel to try something different.

[@v.german11b]

@@rdh5961 I too prefer the Glock 41 over the 21. I can carry the 41 concealed, no problem.

[@r.d.riddle2068]

I have never laughed my ass off over a gun test review as I did on this one. Fibbers, Bullshitters, Idiots, that's what the FBI stands for.

[@ej4842]

That door breach was pure chaos 😂

[@truesf345]

The 92 was pretty much Marine proof the 8 years I was in , the amount of abuse those pistol took was ridiculous. I think it got so much hate was it wasn’t in gods caliber and the guys with little sister hands wouldn’t shut up about it being to big in the grip 🤣

[@zacharyrollick6169]

Those tiny hand guys would have shit themselves over a P89.

[@truesf345]

@@zacharyrollick6169 🤣

[@travisminton2141]

I loved my M9 when I was in the desert (USMC veteran here too). She kept me company every night and would eat whatever scraps I fed her. She wasn't picky or high maintenance. Sure she was as loose as a lady could be after being passed around generations of barracks. But she was reliable as .... and would send the bullets where I pointed them.

[@rubencantu5067]

Glock beat all of them in the most important category, with that being price, thus it became one of the most popular handguns in the world. All this BS about reliability, durability, accuracy and parts availability became secondary to price

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

@@runningbear6391 Exacpt when the plastice frame gets crushed when a steel frame wouldn't.

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

@@GreenBlueWalkthrough But the chances of that happening are very slim unless one purposefully smashes it with a hammer.

[@nicholas389]

Not everybody is poor.

[@daebak7370]

@@nicholas389 lol

[@jacobmccandles1767]

@@runningbear6391 I pack a Gen 3 daily on duty, and I watch 40+ guys qualify with them. They're just guns. They malfunction as much as any other.

[@sethbt7771]

20:43 That had me laughing for easily 10 minutes 😂

[@Cormalek]

Given the fudged criteria for FBI dropping it, I wish you'd have tested the IMI or regular CZ 75B in your run. Great material!

[@johndis808]

Love these kinds of deep dive videos, James. Keep up the awesome content!

[@AlphaDad]

This is some of your best work. Fantastic video

[@SKYNETDrywall]

You’re such a lawyer. Good stuff.

[@aaronshirk746]

"Trust me, I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer 1987

[@Paul_Colton_]

well thank God that 9mm has finally caught up the where 45 was 35 years ago. I guess there haven't been any advances in 45 ACP ammo in the last 35 years...

[@tgs9740]

There has.

[@StuartIvie]

Go to bed, grandpa.

[@toastmeister6806]

Here’s the secret, they were always the same, and continue to be the same, regardless of any touted bullet technology. The whole “modern bullet tech means 9 and 45 are the same” is just an excuse to cover for the fact there was never a difference between the two. Issue one organization modern hollow point 45 bullets and another one old ball 9mm bullets and they’re both going to have the same results. Or rather the 9mm will still be better off thanks to higher capacity, lower recall, and cheaper ammunition. When it comes to mainstream handgun calibers they’re all at the same level of “suckiness.” Real world data continues to show that time and time again when people leave their biases at the door.

[@pewpew9193]

​@toastmeister6806 That's MOSTLY true. There is a point where differences can appear in handgun calibers. .380, 9mm, .40, .357 Sig & .45 are statistically the same. When you get up to .357 Mag or 10mm there seems to be an increase in one shot stops, but the data is limited. There is also very limited data on more "exotic" calibers like 5.7x28. The lowest recoil & best capacity of any NATO cartridge. Real world data, again, very limited, has shown the very long, tumbling projectile of the 5.7x28 to be incredibly effective. Even these examples are only slightly more effective, so long story short, you're pretty much correct in your statement. Just adding a bit of nuance for anyone else that reads this.

[@gk5891]

Selecting caliber is easy. 1. Select the pistols that meet your carry requirements. 2. Shoot them. 3. Eliminate any with reliability issues. 4. Select the one that you shoot best. 5. Buy ammo for what's written on the slide. Whether it's popular with YT Commandos really shouldn't be a selection criteria.

[@chestnutlouie4709]

Great video, funny commentary Beretta 92 RULES!

[@lensmith189]

Lol! That 80’s music. Nice touch.

[@davidkachel]

I'm surprised they didn't test for the FBI sissy factor! "Ooohh, this gun is too hurty to shoot"!!

[@bigmike2149]

I’ve owned and sold a lot of pistols over the course of 26 years, and the one I kept is my trusty and proven Beretta M9. After firing thousands of rounds, I’ve never had to replace 1 single part on it with the exception of refreshing out the old magazines.

[@Quantiples]

I’ve had no problems with HK VP9 after many many thousands of rounds. It looks so worn and still functions perfectly.

[@bigmike2149]

@@Quantiples HK makes some really nice firearms as well. I really enjoyed my USP 40, but eventually switched over to 9mm for pistol and 5.56 for my rifles to keep some standardization and simplify ammo purchases.

[@Quantiples]

@@bigmike2149 same. All pistols are 9mm, except a bear/boar 10mm. Rifles are a different story. 75% 5.56, but also 300 blk and 6.5 creedmoor.

[@KamikazKid]

I just recently picked up an old 92S for $365 and I was amazed by how nice it is to shoot. I hate double action triggers personally, but this old Beretta is one of the best I've tried.

[@BERETTA9mmUSA]

It is a Solid Pistol Choice. I own 5 Beretta 92 pistols, 3 of which are Wilson Berettas. Wonderful 9mm handguns. Stay Safe. B9USA Sr.

[@Target008]

I would guess the striking the trigger guard was done to test its durability as striking someone with trigger guard for compliance was probably common practice. The Marines Berretta m9a1 has a beefed up trigger guard for this exact purpose

[@thejeepdude4578]

That is exactly what I was thinking too.

[@cunnelatio]

Testing a handgun as a bludgeon is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard of. If you're doing that you better be a gangster or out of bullets

[@iyn1911]

Thanks for reminding us how honest government agencies are. 😂

[@_DB.COOPER]

The bottom line is Law Enforcement has changed drastically over the years. The hate being spewed by many in this country against Law Enforcement, the scrutinization ( Monday morning Quarterbacking) of every minute of duty an officer works, the low pay and the mindset of todays youth has turned what was once a coveted profession into an undesirable profession now. Departments have lowered the standards and hire just about anybody who is breathing. You can’t name a Department who doesn’t seem to be hiring all the time. Candidates now vary in all shapes and sizes and height and weight requirements have basically been thrown out the window. Law Enforcement in general over the past several years have seen more women and more fragile men apply for positions. The 9mm is the easiest handgun for all of them to handle proficiently plus you add the money saving factor of the reduced price for the 9mm and that’s the reason the 9mm has risen from the grave and become the go to weapon today.

[@user-cn4tc5tq2s]

Mostly true. And for sure too many whimin. A feminized society is a DEAD SOCIETY. The examples? A-Bundant.

[@_DB.COOPER]

@@user-cn4tc5tq2s what’s not true about my facts?

[@rickylonghaul682]

I would really love to see a modern rematch using the same tests. Throw in your gen 5 Glocks, M&P 2.0, Sig P320, and I'm guessing the whole reason Ruger was even tested was for there to be that budget option for low-funded departments, so in the spirit of that I'd say throw in the Ruger Security 9. Would be cool to see how the brands stack up now in one big test. Or maybe I just wanna see the Security 9 redeem Ruger in some capacity because it's actually a decent gun that no one really talks about. Lol