9mm vs. 30 Super Carry Recoil (ft. Ian McCollum and Jeremy from TTAG) [SHOT Show 2022]

In this episode of TFBTV, James Reeves, Ian McCollum of ‪@ForgottenWeapons‬ and Jeremy from The Truth About Guns try out .30 Super Carry for the first time and compare it to 9mm. How's the recoil difference between these 2? Check today's video to find out.
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#TFBTV #SHOT Show 2022

[@TFBTVShowTime]

Sorry bros, accidentally re-uploaded my original .30 SC video instead of this one. Second time's the charm, sorry I am a big dumb animal. - James PS it was Hop's fault

[@wonderloaf]

PPS I love you

[@Minutes-Mils]

I was confused as hell 🤣

[@hopewilliams6705]

Always blame someone else!

[@WINTEJER000]

Pps as long as those short shorts stay short we will always forgive you

[@doogpi]

Glock 43x with a 30 super carry version of the shield s15 mags would be sweet. Shield s17 mags?

[@garyK.45ACP]

Chamber it in scaled down handguns and make the ammo competitively priced with 9mm and it will succeed. Otherwise, it will next be seen on Ian's channel.

[@mot0rhe4d40]

Ehhh hhhmm , 327...... 338 Fed..... And it saddens me that that is the case. I thought the 338 Federal would have done a better job hanging in there. But as of right now, I believe Fed is the only source for loaded ammo in that caliber

[@shmike3775]

With those chamber pressures i doubt you'll see it in small guns

[@Desrtfox71]

@@shmike3775 They showed it in small guns right here on this video.

[@shmike3775]

@@Desrtfox71 i meant 380 sized guns, not micro compacts

[@mikef3808]

@@mot0rhe4d40 I think 327 is still hanging on because it's for a revolver. It seems you get more guys that reload those specialty rounds for revolvers and for autoloaders I think most guys are just going for the most ammo they can load at the lowest cost.

[@jonathanwick1265]

How fitting that they brought out Ian McCollum to shoot the .30 Super Carry since it will be featured on his channel in a few years.

[@bumblebeebob]

HA!

[@lisakozlowski4057]

It'll be hanging out at the party with 357 Sig and 45 GAP.

[@danielmackormack8524]

😂😂

[@caseyc4516]

I doubt it…I can see this round taking off

[@relevation0]

Perfect

[@joet.s.6283]

Sorry James, but I AM very excited to hear Ian talk about how they've re-invented 7.5 French Edit: shoutout @BorkWoof for reminding me that 7.5 French and .32 French Long are, in fact, not the same. But it seems enough of you still understood the joke so... success? Though now I'm picturing an Obrez MAS-36...

[@theknifeman7097]

Lol a killed several deer with my mas36 in 7.5 french It is a great round

[@flightlesschicken7769]

I wonder if it is a cut down 30 Carbine brass. It would certainly make sense as they only need one piece of new machines to make 30 Super Carry brass from 30 Carbine brass

[@-John-Doe-]

@@theknifeman7097 at 50k psi. Much higher sectional density, much more velocity.

[@borkwoof696]

They haven’t tho

[@flightlesschicken7769]

@@-John-Doe- I believe the SD is the same or basically the same

[@ThePesmerga2007]

The consumer, "Hey, can we get ammo availability and prices back to some sense of normalcy?" Federal, "So anyways, here's 30 super"

[@themadminuteman]

Exactly, very tone deaf

[@PhycoKrusk]

Except .30 Super Carry was ready to go when it was announced. You don't just spin up a product like this from nothing and have it ready to go. Federal would have started work on .30SC when ammo availability was not a problem, and was already getting production tooling ready to go when the supply crunch hit. Similarly, that's a lot of sunk capital to just walk away from. This is not the result of them not reading the room: This is the result of them being suddenly hit with drastically different market conditions and having to run with it because it's what they have ready to go. As they say, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you need.

[@looooooooot432]

@@PhycoKrusk exactly. You don't just light who knows how much money and man hours invested on fire because there's an ammo shortage. Muh "tone deaf" is just emotional bullshit.

[@PhycoKrusk]

@@looooooooot432 now, there's no need for that. We had many years where you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting a case of parabellum, and we have a lot of newer owners who don't remember the time before that, so it's understandable why they'd be a little impatient. At the same time, most people don't really understand the logistics involved in production, because they don't need to. I'm not saying "don't be a meanie." I'm just saying try to have a little empathy. Now, you get someone who doesn't respond to empathy? Well, open season in that case

[@172turtla]

Right, a new round now is so stupid.

[@dang2045]

Currently .64 cents a round from federal. I think I’ll stick to the cheaper but still overpriced 9mm.

[@cottleful]

Yeah it's basically the same cost as .357 mag lmao.

[@1stCallipostle]

At the peak of the shortage last year, 9mm was going for that kinda price Honestly the fact that it's almost reasonable I'm thankful for Even though it still costs 50+% more than it did 3 years ago

[@calebnation6155]

If that’s JHP, that’s pretty good.

[@jackmemphis777]

@@1stCallipostle never thought I would be saying this years ago, but the last few months ive been thrilled to pay 30-40 cents a round for 9mm and 7.62x39. 40-50 cents a round for .223 isnt bad either

[@runlevelone]

I am sure it will be a big hit and supplant 9mm just like 5.7, 40, 357 SIG, 327 Federal, 38 super, and 45 GAP did. Surely.

[@detritus23]

Exactly. The sound of 9mm’s hitting the trashcan is already deafening.

[@kinjunranger140]

bingo!!! 😁

[@sik59rt]

But there’s a new 5.7 AR now!!

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

It might supplant some of the .380 market.

[@detritus23]

@@sik59rt I guess it is time to retire 5.56 NATO as well.

[@SC93-85]

James asking the hard hitting questions, “do you guys really believe this is gonna take off?” Lmao 😂

[@smokingcrab2290]

I'd honestly rather carry a 32 acp than this shit

[@frugalsoul9984]

@@smokingcrab2290 yes please. We need more modern 32s. It can be put in tiny backup guns

[@theodorehunter4765]

@@smokingcrab2290 To be fair, about 6 months ago I was contemplating the marketing potential of a "full size" gun in something like .32 or .25ACP for capacity whores.

[@Hawtload]

"of course not! and here's why..." #biznisman

[@markh.6687]

Federal Rep: "No James, we actually brought it out in the hopes of bankrupting the company or taking a huge tax write-off. This new ammunition is a complete waste of time." (Audience falls over; James just stands there like...."Umm....")

[@pewpewTN]

The irony of Ian being in this video when he will be talking about this round on Forgotten Weapons in a couple years.

[@aaronfarnsworth7653]

Maybe we'll see Ian showing the return of Hudson in the new 30 super? lol And then they're gone again...

[@markh.6687]

"I have here a Smith and Wesson handgun in 30 Super Carry, a round which Federal invented in 2021, and cancelled in 2023...."

[@injuredoutdoorsman9011]

Coming out of the worst ammo shortage I’ve ever seen, for as good as this cartridge may be, I don’t think this is going to catch on when I still can’t find major calibers in both smaller gun shops and big box stores alike….

[@weast6388]

Where are you living at? My local store has shelves full of everything but 20 gauge slugs and buck, but I can get that from my local rural king. I live in Kentucky and it's not been bad on ammo here for like 4-5 months now.

[@injuredoutdoorsman9011]

@@weast6388 in the Carolinas around the Charlotte area. I have a Cabela’s credit card and go there first bc I have points/money to spend in store, but they have very little ammo in stock even now. Over the past two(ish) years, they were completely out of ALL ammo, and mostly out of reloading supplies too… the Academy has been pretty sparse too. Dedicated gun stores finally have a pretty good selection of ammo in stock now though….

[@weast6388]

@@injuredoutdoorsman9011 Im sorry it's been that way man.

[@fruitfarmfords8243]

There are drooling idiots lining up, fists full of cash, ready to consume the shiny and new, because they must stay on the cutting edge of what is hot right now, practicality be damned. The cartridge with the best marketing does the best, look at all the slow-poke rifle rounds that cant keep up with the abilities and velocities of 100 year old designs that are selling like hot cakes to people who will never use them to their potential other than a talking point. "I have a 6.5xyz, and a .300 subsonic-ultra-slow they are truly superior to any other cartridge, they are sooo efficient! Your .270 oldentimer is an obsolete relic that cant compete!" Buy what you want, but dont try and convince me its the best thing going, im not as easy to deceive as you... Until they put out a reliable shoulder fired rail gun, with laser flat trajectories, i won't be impressed, current available tech is still a case, powder and projectile affair, under 5000 fps. Anything new firing below 3000 fps is just sad and boring.

[@injuredoutdoorsman9011]

@@weast6388 the last time I was there I literally bought the last box of FMJ 40S&W they had in stock and that was less than a month ago…

[@neutronalchemist3241]

Yeah, a slightly punier 9mm is exactly what everyone was searching for. That's why the 8mm Steyr, the same round invented 117 years ago, had been so much successful.

[@MrSGL21]

i had to google it and apart from only slight dimensional changes, 30 sc is in fact the 8mm Roth Steyr!

[@copper178]

The handgun market right now is "stack and a half" self defense pistols, and one of the major selling points is round capacity. After Sig released the 365, everybody had to produce their own 365 clones, and many touted their versions having a 1rd higher magazine capacity than Sig. It's no different than horsepower wars between the Ford Mustang and Chevy Camaro. If the 30sc is adding 2 rounds to my current 9mm Shield+, and the 30sc hst round has more energy than my current 9mm 147gr hst round, then what is the problem? Federal hst rounds are good to go, so the hst 30sc round won't be any different. People bought a Hellcat because it had 1 more round than the 365, so people are gonna buy this for sure.

[@magicgeek1237]

Hellcat was also competitively priced. I’m a big capacity fan in as small a size I can get but price is definitely gonna be the make or break. A hellcat size in 30sc will definitely kick off if they get the ammo available and priced well

[@buckberthod5007]

If people could shoot worth a damn they wouldn't be concerned with as much capacity as possible.

[@grahamhawes7089]

@@buckberthod5007 you must carry a flintlock then. 60 caliber stoppin’ powah.

[@EtherFox]

Same wound, more capacity is why people have championed 9mm over 40SW and 45ACP for the past two decades. Weird how that got hyper feminine levels of insecure when a cartridge that does the exact same to 9mm came around.

[@buckberthod5007]

@@grahamhawes7089 No I carry either a S&W .40 shield or a 1911. But, debating 13 or15 rounds is pointless to carry if you dump it everywhere but your target. People need to learn more how to shoot and neutralize a threat and not worry about carrying so many rounds. Granted I carry 3 extra mags for whatever pistol I'm carrying, but I know in about 99% of time I'll never need to pull, never mind take a shot.

[@NomadicHacker.]

I feel that it's going to fall into the same gray space as the 327 federal magnum because it answers the same questions and has the same problems

[@johndelagarza361]

327 guns have the benefit of being able to shoot a variety of rounds though.

[@rob.3575]

.327 I could find a use for. This is more like .45GAP, an answer to a question nobody asked.

[@NomadicHacker.]

@@johndelagarza361 I am not disputing the benefits of a 327 what I'm saying is that the 327 was a hard sell to guys who already had a 357 ..an extra round or two for similar or slightly less ballistics was a hard sell even with the lower recoil for guys that are already ok with their 357 switching to a completely different caliber wasn't worth it which is why the 327 never took off .. and the 30 super carry answers the same questions as for as capacity and similar but slightly less energy and that most people already have a 9mm and ammo for it so is switching to a new cartridge worth it.. imo probably not (still think it looks like a fantastic option and I have been wanting an ammo manufacturer to do this for a while but realalisticly I don't think most people will make the switch)

[@NomadicHacker.]

@@rob.3575 the 45 gap didn't answer the same capacity question that the 327 and 30 super carry are trying to answer

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

@@NomadicHacker. Wrong way to think about it. It's not for people who already had a 357, it's for the people who wanted a revolver of a particular size without giving up so much in terms of ballistics. The problem is, you could get 5-shot 357 revolvers of that size so... big whoop. This is more for people who want a .380, but now have close to 9mm ballistics and added capacity. If the caliber does what it promises, it blows .380 out of the water except in the micro guns.

[@poopenfarten9497]

Tbh this is probably just gonna turn into another .45 GAP or .357 SIG.

[@sethrich5998]

This cartridge at least appears to do more than either of those. The 45GAP was just shorter, literally no advantage over 45ACP. And 357Sig tried to find some performance gap between 9mm +P and 40 S&W which isn’t really an issue. At least this cartridge indisputably adds capacity/is slimmer, giving it one clear advantage.

[@Murphy82nd]

@@sethrich5998 I wouldn’t say the 45 GAP had no advantage. It allowed a 45 caliber bullet in a smaller framed pistol because of the shorter OAL. Whether that mattered was another question.

[@WeAreSoBackBros]

So used by chads only?

[@Treblaine]

Except it's the opposite, while those we rejected because "they had pretty much the same performance as narrower cartridges, it's not worth the smaller capacity or bigger gun" this time the script is flipped, now it's 9x19mm that has pretty much the same capability but because it's wider it's either a lower capacity or a bigger gun. And we know from the incredible successes of single-stack .380 pistols that there is a huge demand for very VERY small pistols. We know from the failure of guns that just shoot more lead at the cost of capacity are not favoured as "well I'd rather have a slightly lower recoiling round for a bit higher capacity". This is RESPONDING to trends, not defying them. it's not a trend that "9mm has won before so it will always win no matter what". Some people will pay any price to have "the best" they want a gun as small as a Ruger .380 but with the capacity and power of a Glock 19.

[@xvonfrankenstein]

Another ingenious solution to a non existent problem.

[@mwam1985]

James knows what his audience wants...

[@hodor3024]

but he's not even wearing short shorts.

[@DanE-ew1yt]

@@hodor3024 lol! I was gonna say short shorts!

[@Miller_Time]

Hopefully it doesn't cost 5x as much

[@vincedibona4687]

But Ian isn’t even wearing Flecktarn!

[@cyk3003]

So it hits closeish, but not as hard as 9. You get two extra rounds, which statistically you don't need for self defense. It's the same recoil, and it dilutes production of 9 mm which is still behind? Plus you have to buy new guns for not quite the same performance?

[@mot0rhe4d40]

@@Swissk31300BO 🤣🤣

[@kuuryotwo5153]

9mm production is precisely where the CEO of Vista wants it to be. Look at what he said about ammo prices.

[@Predalien195]

I don't know why everyone keeps bitching about 9mm... I'd love to know what desert island you live on where 9mm is not available. My work, my work's competitors, every local range and gun store in my area all have 9mm stocked and have excess they can't fit anywhere on the shelf. It's online for ordering everywhere I look. I guess you and everyone else whining about it are just the minority who can't figure things out.

[@Predalien195]

@@Swissk31300BO Well sweetie pie, tell that to all the people who camp outside the door of businesses every day hunting down ammo. It's people who THINK it's price gouging or bag holding that are driving costs up because they don't know when enough is enough. But bless your pea pickin heart if you think otherwise.

[@TheAsheybabe89]

@@Predalien195 why do you sound so salty darling dear?

[@blaisetheginger]

So who only clicked because Ian was in the thumbnail? Be honest.

[@GNpatent]

🙋‍♂️

[@LarsAndersenFrihed]

It helped

[@External2737]

me!

[@isaiahsmith7123]

Definitely, although I do really enjoy TFB

[@luciankristov6436]

Gun Jesus

[@snakeman48]

Bring out a "new" carry round when Federal, and all their subsidiaries, can't meet the demand for the current offerings just seem dumb to me. But what do I know!!

[@thisguy59]

Only someone with an MBA with no real world experience would think this is a good idea

[@schnauzerdad2112]

or reloading supplies

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

@@thisguy59 Maybe they had no option? I'm sure they didn't start from the drawing board last year, the process of development and release was most likely already in motion prior to the shortage and they can't just stop without losing tons of money.

[@maxtheroofer8004]

They can meet demand, they just choose not to

[@judgementgaming3270]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD exactly, they probably already had this pre planned out before the whole supply chain issues. Who knows, maybe they already pushed this caliber’s release back a year due to shortages and now it’s finally coming out.

[@infinity8x3]

And here I am having a hell of a time just finding 22lr ammo.

[@kinjunranger140]

I can find it everywhere....for $.20 a round. :-)

[@Stacker-qt3sv]

@@kinjunranger140 Paid $.15 last order. Aguila 22 LR Ammo - 500 Rounds

[@kinjunranger140]

@@Stacker-qt3sv wow.

[@joquin4618]

@@kinjunranger140 0.20 cents per round is insanely expensive but in this post 2020 world we get what we get and we don’t pitch a fit

[@kinjunranger140]

@@joquin4618 I was just joking, being sarcastic.

[@kodiakkeith]

Ideally, companies needs to come up with conversion mags and barrels for common compact 9mms. I don't think I'm alone in that I wouldn't retire an EDC to buy a new one chambered for this. However, if I could swap mags and barrels, maybe so. I could train with cheaper 9mm, and the swap out (after reliability testing) to get the two round bonus for carry.

[@MichaelPoage666]

It sounds like that 50,000 psi chamber pressure means 30 SC won't just swap to a gun that wasn't designed for it.

[@Bubben246]

@@MichaelPoage666 With approximately .75 mm of extra chamber wall thickness (in an identical outer diameter), I'd think that chamber pressure would be one of the easier aspects of a swap.

[@ostiariusalpha]

@@MichaelPoage666 Swap barrel, recoil spring, and magazine. Pressure isn't really as much of a roadblock as you think.

[@NobleOmnicide]

I'm just gonna keep asking about the Hi-Point YC9. Is Hi-Point even at Shot Show this year?

[@michaeldoe4805]

I own several 32 revolvers, 32 hr magnum, 327 federal, 32 sw long. Great caliber for revolvers and reloading. Glad to see 327 Magnum make it's debut in autoloaders. But I think it will not survive. Between different 9mm loadings and 380acp, pretty much it is a tight coverage with no gaps for 327 Magnum (30 super carry)

[@davidtimmermann7226]

I think in a 'bug out' situation this one would have to be left behind just for being an uncommon caliber. 9mm would be more available, theoretically, in a scrounge scenario.

[@chavez9782]

When was the last "bug out situation "?

[@benningsniper9516]

@@chavez9782 good point. No need to train, plan, or even think about it since it's unlikely.

[@jonahpatton8879]

This is 30 super carry, if they release 30 super survival then that'll be the bugout gun. 9mm will always be the king of apocalypse handguns, but for concealed carry this. 30 SC seems promising.

[@MurderBallad]

@@jonahpatton8879 seems like a waste*.

[@jonahpatton8879]

@@tupops A Glock laying on the ground probably won't be there long, seems unlikely that you'd be the one to find it. Better to stock up beforehand.

[@likes2drum]

"If you use a 9mm pistol for defense and you’d rather have a cartridge that has less energy, makes smaller holes in bad guys, has smaller hollow-point cavities for less expansion, is too small to use in competitions for practice, is harder to find in stores, and is more expensive, then the 30 Super Carry is for you!" - Ryan Cleckner

[@shootinbruin3614]

Two things to note about .30 SC: One, the diameter of the cartridge may be small enough to make a double stack, two position feed magazine feasible. Not having to taper down to single feed will add even more capacity without additional length. Second, the smaller bore would make for a quieter suppressed gun. The 120 gr. load is already practically subsonic. If .30 SC ammo is similar in price to 9 as Federal promises, it would make a great round for a suppressed pistol or PCC

[@brandonrupp5880]

Especially if they make a PCC specific loads with powders designed for longer barrels. This would be a spicy pepper between 1800-2000 fps

[@shootinbruin3614]

@@brandonrupp5880 That’d be great, but unless they use super light bullets, I doubt they’d be able to push that hard considering that .30 Carbine has a higher case capacity and even with 40,000 psi and an 18” barrel can just hit those velocities with 110 gr. bullets. A 120 gr. subsonic load however, which has almost exactly the same sectional density as 147 gr. 9mm, would be super fun to shoot in a PCC and could use the .300 BLK suppressors that a lot of folks already have. It’d probably be quieter than either Blackout or 9mm

[@empireoflizards]

@@brandonrupp5880 Would this make for a flatter trajectory out of a PCC because higher velocity of the lighter grain?

[@brandonrupp5880]

@@empireoflizards Higher velocity generally means flatter trajectory.

[@georgerafa5041]

Smaller bore means lighter weight bullet so it will def be supersonic. I only buy 147gr 9mm in order to day subsonic. Shooting 115s out of a can is dumb af and this will probably be similarly pointless suppressed.

[@ruthlessrubberducky5729]

Imagine this in a sub gun or smg. That extra capacity could add up fast and offer some amazing pdw options.

[@Wxman9123]

"Hey Federal can we get more ammo on the shelves so prices come back down?" "Lol sorry we used the money you've given us to make a meme caliber. No refunds!"

[@LesDeplorables]

You guys don't know how many years I sat up at night pondering that I wish there was some way they had something in between a 9 mm and 380. Me and LT Dan was always talking about that all day long. Except Lieutenant Dan like to sleep, so when I'd say, " Lieutenant Dan do you think they'll ever figure out a way between a 380 and a 9 mm?" Lieutenant Dan he would say, " shut the bleep up! Don't talk to me while I'm trying to bleeping sleep!" Anyway it's nice to know it wasn't me and Lieutenant Dan the only ones thinking about this. It turns out folks all over the world was thinking it! It's just like that their hundredth monkey effect

[@jeffumbach]

I take it Lt Dan didn't want to acknowledge that Commie cartridge the 9x18mm aka 9mm Makarov?

[@LesDeplorables]

@@jeffumbach I reckon he didn't but neither did these .30 manufacturers

[@CaptainCraigKWMRZ]

Stoopid is as Stoopid does....

[@LesDeplorables]

@@CaptainCraigKWMRZ exactly! I wish them well but this is a stupid idea. An answer to a question nobody asked

[@MattSmithCA]

40 s&w was created, and the potent, chubby rounds drew penile comparisons of theirs and “them” of 9mm devotees. With a familiar snicker…grey beards of slab-sided lore stroked lovingly the grips of their 1911s and mocked both 40 and 9mm alike. The phallic rhymes…”girth” comparisons and the familiar punchline “That’s what SHE said…”we’re heard wherever devotees gathered together. The 9mm crowd never has enjoyed such luxury of having a phallic stand in where they could feel anything but average. With innuendo and entendre in hand (lol…in hand…) Federal steps forward with a golden opportunity for 9mm devotees to finally partake of the age old male humor. They finally have a “that’s what she said!…” moment with a new crowd of 30 super carry owners. Bravo Federal…Bravo.

[@stevenaylor5163]

Finally a cartridge that fills the gap between 32 acp and 9mm that isn’t already filled by 380. The gap no one was looking to fill.

[@sadiporter2966]

there are ballistic gel tests of 380 auto vs 30sc, the 380 auto is WAY worse.

[@stevenaylor5163]

@@sadiporter2966 but 9mm isn’t. It’s a gap that needs no filling. You could just purchase a 9mm extended base plate for your mag or you can purchase a 30SC and pay $.50 a round extra for every round you shoot.

[@sadiporter2966]

@@stevenaylor5163 an extended mag takes up more room in your pocket. It is a superior replacement for 380 auto.

[@stevenaylor5163]

@@sadiporter2966 A Springfield Hellcat already has a 14 round capacity with a mag I can barely get my pinky finger onto. There’s no need for this round just like there’s no need for 5.7x28. You really want a pocket pistol with 9mm recoil with a less powerful round?

[@TheDemocraticNationalCommittee]

Let’s see: we create something shoots and feels like 9mm, but give you 2extra rounds. But we gonna charge you more than 1.5x of the price. Good going.

[@BaritoneMonkey]

If it feels exactly like 9, shoot the 9 and carry the 30sc. Not to mention that's already what's going on for everybody who carries 380. What's the problem?

[@JaronActual]

The price is somewhat understandable. 9mm is typically cheap due to economy of scale, since so much is produced for military and other uses. Both .380 and .32 use less raw material than 9mm, but are always more expensive at retail. Before 2020, I could regularly find .308 cheaper than 300 BLK.

[@sadiporter2966]

If those extra 2 rounds save your life you wouldn't be complaining about the cost.

[@JaronActual]

@@sadiporter2966 The argument you're missing is "how likely will those extra two rounds actually matter?" In the days of the original Shield and G42, going from 6 to 8 rounds was a relatively huge increase. But in light of the 365, Hellcat, Max 9, Shield Plus, Mako, and others, going from 10-12 to 12-14 rounds isn't as big a deal. Thankfully it's already very unlikely you will need to use your carry pistol. In that unlikely event, it's most likely you'll fire 3-5 rounds. So, are there situations that will occur you can't solve 6 rounds but can with 8? Yes, but very unlikely. Can't solve with 8 but can with 10? Even more unlikely. As the saying goes, you can't miss fast enough. If 10-12 rounds won't cut it, but 12-14 will, you're either a lousy shot or you're in such an unlikely scenario that no one could prepare for it. And if you're in an extended shootout that lasts more than one volley, capacity becomes less an issue since reloads and extended mags come into play.

[@sadiporter2966]

@@JaronActual If you are attacked by a gang you could need a lot of rounds, such as what happened during the BLM riots. Also this would allow slim single stack guns to be made that can hold 8 rounds that are short and very thin. Some people want really concealable guns so those extra rounds help.

[@hanuman3527]

Will Vista increase ammo production or will this just displace other calibers that they now gouge on?

[@doa3399]

I'm so freaking excited ! Federal can't manufacture enough of their current calibers so they add this next failure. I guess they will do another excuse video in the near future.

[@curlywurly70]

.30 Super Carry. The answer to a question no one asked.

[@nextlifeonearth]

It isn't. People quite often ask for more ammo with 9mm power in a smaller gun.

[@OTheHumanities]

.30 super carry is the real life DPS calculation.

[@stephensonger7324]

Spot on! Lmao

[@blackbird_actual]

Lol

[@zm1786]

Any 9mm users hating on .30 super carry should just carry. 40 , their logic is the same

[@blackbird_actual]

@@zm1786 Capacity isn't the be all, end all of a carry round. The main issue with something like .40 is that in compact carry guns, the capacity lost and increased recoil vs 9mm isn't made up for by .40s marginally improved terminal ballistics. In the case of .30 super carry, you do get a couple more rounds in the magazine, but when the new microcompacts can hold up to 13-15rds of 9mm, it's not much of an improvement - most self defense shootings are over after 3-5 rounds fired. Now, not many people are going to carry a gun which only holds 5 rounds these days, but this desire for ever higher round counts at the expense of terminal performance really doesn't line up with reality. Bullet diameter and subsequent ability to expand is simply not something that can be written off completely. The reason 9x19 has had such staying power is because it offers a good balance of capacity, penetration, expansion, and recoil characteristics. The .30 super carry just doesn't offer enough of an improvement in that balance of variables mentioned to warrant a huge amount of interest. Now, if it could be used in handguns the size of the LCP, it would most definitely be a significant improvement, but it doesn't appear likely that those very small deep carry guns will, at least in the present, be able to handle the increased pressure of the .30 super carry. If Federal continues to try and make it a 9mm killer, it will be a failure.

[@zm1786]

@@blackbird_actual tldr you're wrong, it absolutely is the end all be all. Any cops that used big bullet in a firefight switch to smol bullet for more capacity

[@DanielMartinez-lz3ot]

My wife 50 year old wife carries a CZ-75, so I asked her if she would be interested in a 30 super carry instead, she said I should ask her again in 40 years. I get the feeling the .30 super carry is one of those notorious solutions.

[@markh.6687]

30 SC isn't even a solution in search of a problem; it's Federal's next tax write-off in search of an accountant.

[@justme294]

I love the .327 federal mag. So this is right up my alley.

[@hendriktonisson2915]

Always great to see Ian! Knowledgable and overall likeable guy!

[@brrepublic8174]

Instead of trying to replace 9mm, we should be focusing on replacing .380 with something hotter that can function safely and reliably in LCP/Bodyguard sized pistols.

[@kuuryotwo5153]

They have that. It's called 9mm.

[@Desrtfox71]

@@kuuryotwo5153 And now 30 super carry.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Pistol that small, hotter than .380? Oh boy...

[@basketcase1235]

there's a reason why 380 and small guns go together. loading it hotter would prevent it from being used in the guns that are commonly associated with 380.

[@jacobackley502]

If they just duplicated the ballistics of 380 in the 30 cal, and made the guns stack a few more rounds, then it would soundly replace 380. 380 is already expensive, so a comparably priced round that duplicates performance but holds more rounds is an easy decision

[@davidt5085]

This was really born out of the micro-compact wars. I think it’s awesome to see continued development, especially with how this can affect pistols designed specifically for CCW. If other major manufacturers, namely Glock and Sig, offer models chambered in this, it will take off. Particularly if price and availability can be anywhere close to 9mm.

[@davidmilisock5200]

I believe in the micro-compact market this will be advantageous.

[@Doc_1791]

Would be awesome to get a modern sub-machine gun in .30SC. A cartridge with 50,000psi with such a short case length would have an insanely high cyclic rate, probably at or near a PPSH (1100-1200rpm+).

[@humanbass]

Just make it gas operated. Too much pressure for blowback.

[@dirteater70]

@@humanbass the p90 in 57 has the same chamber pressure and is blow back

[@humanbass]

@@dirteater70 but a much lower mass. Sure it can be made blowback, but it will be far from optimal.

[@danishraisham1697]

@@humanbass agreed. just take a page out of mp7 and go rotating bolt.

[@fruitfarmfords8243]

Get Doc and his DeLorean to go back to 1985 and have it built then so us plebs might have some chance of ever owning one too..

[@2abuggy699]

Ammo shortage + sky high ammo prices + flooded market of 9mm = 30sc DOA.

[@rays.5764]

This channel need significantly more Ian from Forgotten Weapons.

[@johndaniels1197]

This mirrors an idea I had a year ago, for what essentially amounted to a "plus P" loading of 7,65x20mm French Longue. I'm anxious to get my hands on a box of this so I can measure it, and see just how similar it really is. Good on Federal for doing something with a fundamentally good idea that should've come around a long time ago.

[@peterconnel7495]

Or the obscure 7.92 vbr,which is based off a shorten .30 carbine case that fires a .312 diameter projectile of .32acp weight at up to 1,500 fps.

[@dmytro732]

@@peterconnel7495 That just sounds like 7.62 Tokarev with more steps

[@peterconnel7495]

@@dmytro732 Nah. The 7.62x25 Tokarev operates at a higher pressure on top of being a bottleneck cartridge. The 7.92 vbr is suppose to be a drop in type caliber,think .300 blk to 5.56. Just change the barrel was all that was required.

[@dmytro732]

@@peterconnel7495 7.92 vbr is @46k psi and 7.62 Tokarev is @36k psi, which is is comparable to 9mm luger @35k psi and 9mm luger +P @38k psi.

[@kelseydonoghue158]

@@dmytro732 Damn, VBR Belgium was onto something. No wonder I can't find any of those kits anymore. They used to ship them. I don't know what happened.

[@VTPSTTU]

I think I commented on one of your videos that this feels like a re-invention of the 5.7x28. The pressure is high enough that it might not work in an LCP-sized pistol. Even if it is mechanically possible, the recoil would be a problem with so little real estate on the gun to get a grip. In a duty-sized gun, one can get a bunch of cartridges, but I'm not sure how often that is needed. The ammunition is around twice the cost of 9mm, so practice becomes very expensive for people who aren't being supplied by the ammunition companies. I'm more curious how the caliber would work in a pistol caliber carbine. If a sixteen-inch barrel gives a corresponding velocity increase while the bullet remains stable, maybe this could be a fun caliber for having a pistol and rifle in the same caliber. Maybe an AR-pistol in this caliber could be fun. Even then, the caliber seems to be heading for niche status.

[@grantdeisig1360]

I feel like they just shortened a .30 carbine and loaded it slightly hotter.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

There's a spectrum between a micro .380/.32 and duty-size.

[@PhycoKrusk]

@@grantdeisig1360 It's quite a bit shorter than .30 carbine. If it has 80% the power of 9mm, and 9mm has about 50% the power of .30 carbine, .30SC won't get anywhere close to it in power. I do, however, also wonder how it would handle in a PCC, and honestly, I hadn't even thought of an AR pistol chambered for this. I had mainly thought of a lever gun (even though this is a rimless cartridge) and, for whatever reason, a Hi-Point carbine, or maybe something like a Sub2000.

[@benjaminhurt8280]

The price is obviously going to be high on release, but if it takes off it will likely be competitive in price to 9mm or .380.

[@kevinm.328]

@@PhycoKrusk I would like to see ballistics by the inch for this round.

[@RichiesHouse]

This is the same concept on when the 40 came on the market except in reverse . 40 was bigger and more powerful then 9 but lower capacity. 30 super holds more , smaller and less powerful. We have come full circle

[@Predalien195]

Maybe because people have realized that you don't need +P and +P+ for every day range use or self defense and nobody ever whined about having more rounds. Less powerful is subjective when the body hits the pavement.

[@JaronActual]

30SC isn't less powerful than 9mm; it's essentially equal in terminal performance.

[@cleetismcdougall5425]

@@JaronActual a really hot 30SC load compared to a non +P 9mm. It’s not worth the extra cost, especially considering availability and crazy ammo prices. NINE WORKS FINE.

[@JaronActual]

@@cleetismcdougall5425 I'm not saying anything about 9mm's effectiveness. I carry one and agree it's plenty effective. I'm simply correcting the OP saying 30SC is less powerful. If you bring +P into the equation, that changes things because we don't know if 30SC can also have a safe "+P" version. And if you're comparing 30SC to 9mm +P, the 30SC would be noticeably softer to shoot.

[@smokingcrab2290]

Theyre majoring in minors and solving zero real problems as a result. I'd rather carry a 32 acp if I want something smaller, less powerful, and with more capacity.

[@Prepare2Survive]

Someone needs to make a 10rd pocket pistol that weighs under 1lb fully loaded in 30 Super Carry because it would be " Super " popular in the summer while wearing shorts.

[@Prepare2Survive]

Glock 42x ?

[@iank6897]

The problem with that is pressure and it's one of the reasons I'm not too excited about 30SC. LCP size pocket pistols probably wont be able to handle such a high pressure so you're probably only going to see it in the next weight class, ie sig 365 sized firearms

[@Prepare2Survive]

@@iank6897 Yeah, that same high pressure means the brass will wear out faster so it probably wont be popular with reloaders like myself.

[@PaulVerhoeven2]

@@iank6897 "The problem with that is pressure" No, pressure is not a problem, it is a solution. What you think about is thrust, pressure multiplied by the area of the section of the barrel (pi/4*caliber squared), and due to smaller caliber it is less than 9mm in this case.

[@iank6897]

​@@PaulVerhoeven2 Oh my bad, but I seem to recall the guy in the actual video quoting max pressure of 50k psi for 30SC. Now my math might not be correct on this (maybe your formulas can help me out) but I heard somewhere that 50 is actually a bigger number than 35. Could be wrong though. Also *pretty* sure that 50k > 21.5k, since the OP was asking about .380 ACP. Either way, "thrust" is only relevant once you get the projectile out of the chamber. If the chamber cannot handle the energy of the initial ignition, you get kablooie. At least, that's what I've been told. I'm not a physics major.

[@cavalinorampante1]

I like the idea of a PCC in 30 Super Carry. Suppressed with a 40+ round magazine sounds great.

[@bishopm4401]

Would absolutely love this. But I don’t know that I’ll want to pay the prices to be a beta tester

[@sik59rt]

Nothing like asking a company who’s rep pushing a new product, what he really thinks of said widget.

[@stilgar2007]

Do you think people will like your new widget?

[@s.armitage3963]

we'll hear about this for a couple months, then in a few years it'll pop back up on ians channel... like the hudson 9.

[@Predalien195]

Nah the Hudson was a crowd funded gun company. This already has Federal and those under their banner making ammo and already have 2 major companies producing guns at launch in the caliber and more who are likely to follow. More like how Creedmoor started off... Everyone laughed and called it a meme, a fad, a joke, and it's still here gaining steam still.

[@Sarayah93]

I really appreciate this channel, no snobbery no yeehaw just facts and insight.

[@ryantogo8359]

Funny how federal admits that energy means nothing in pistol calibers, so by their own metrics the 147gr hst is still the alpha dog and 30 sc can't compete with it. 30 sc = smaller expansion, less penetration, and more noise than the 147gr 9mm.

[@vlogfriendsutopia]

Actually, doing the math, the 30SC Federal HST has 92% the same wound channel as the 9mm 147g Federal HST. And you get more rounds, which is never a bad thing. It does 9mm better than 9mm.

[@whydat684]

You are correct that's gonna be lould AF

[@stevenaylor5163]

Also, instead of purchasing a 9mm mag with a 2 round extended base plate, you could get a 30SC and pay an extra $.50 for every round you shoot.

[@Subtlenimbus]

30 super has a peak pressure of 50,000 psi. If you like 357 magnum from a short barrel indoors, you’re gonna love 30 super!

[@Divenity]

What I want to know is, can this be loaded hotter, or is the case already capped out? They say you aren't giving up anything from going to .30SC from 9mm, but they're comparing it to standard pressure 9mm... +P and +P+ 9 exists, and you'll lose 130-140 ft-lbs of energy by going from +P 9mm to .30SC... That's a significant loss in energy.

[@davidmilisock5200]

My guess would be no unless you move it to a revolver. If memory serves 9+p+ is really just 1936 9mm.

[@andrewhopkins1010]

Two of my favorite gun channels on one video. Awesome.

[@infantilesazcapotzalco5062]

I be honest: really wish a Valkyrie Arms Sten pistol in .30 super carry, will be fun as hell and legal in Ol' Mexico

[@mp3545]

“So Bro, what exactly is .30 Super Carry?” “Well, it’s 7.65 Luger in a straightwalled case.”

[@5roundsrapid263]

.30 Carbine Short!

[@VincitOmniaVeritas7]

Little more capacity, little less anergy. So the Damage Per Second basically stays the same.

[@L3GN5RW9]

Yeah but each individual shot can kill a man, and you get two extra

[@kuuryotwo5153]

Actually DPS goes up, because frequency of reloading goes down.

[@4thforcon426]

Can 't even get enough ammo to fill my mags without taking out a second mortgage, and Federal introduces a new caliber?

[@jeffomspaugh6691]

The small guns were getting primer drag with the action speed of 9mm so if this is faster, I see more problems.

[@MaaveMaave]

The slide should move at the same speed as 9mm since it has basically the same energy. Equal and opposite, ya know

[@MaaveMaave]

Force = pressure * area. Pressure went up, area (bullet diam) went down, it evens out

[@jeffomspaugh6691]

@@MaaveMaave the video said faster cycle rate

[@cpiper6338]

A lot of talk about not being able to tell any difference in felt recoil between the 30SC and the 9mm. Shouldn't a smaller round have notably less recoil feel? Especially in a metal frame gun? As you can probably tell, I'm feeling a bit confused by 1. that recoil point and 2. the need for such a thing in the first place.

[@drazman9]

I feel like .30 SC will blow up if introduced in some PCC, like imagine an H&K MP5SK or MP7 type gun without the huge banana in the magazine. Or even an AR-15 like setup, with a 10-12" barrel, but with mags like the Kriss Vector but +10?!!

[@ephrammaker3153]

Interesting. The higher pressures may be used perhaps to drive a compensator - making a “Carry Comp” particularly effective

[@Sktzo]

My question is why is this being marketed to new gun owners? I would feel way more comfortable putting something in their hands that is tried and true, that has years of use by millions of people. I stand by my sentiment that is an answer looking for a question. Also, a lot of gun owners have spent the past few years consolidating to 9mm and now people are expected to abandon all that and start over.

[@Predalien195]

I don't think 9mm users are expected to abandoned it. If you're a new gun buyer you have nothing to start with, so the clay is fresh to mold as one sees fit. As for people who already own guns, I can't speak on your behalf but I know plenty of people who get tired of the same old stuff and just want something "different". This is a potential answer for those people. But from a serious standpoint, if you could have a S&W Shield Plus with 15 instead of 13 or EZ in 9mm with 10 rounds instead of 8 without increasing the length of the magazine, I think most people would be on board with that. Kind of like Shield Arms and their Glock 43X/48 magazines. Only now... the potential for even higher capacity exists. So people would welcome extra rounds. Sure, there's all the naysayers with the "You don't need those extra rounds!" or some variation of that saying. Firstly I'd say get fucked but secondly I never met so many people who were against higher capacities until this cartridge came along. They never made those arguments when people talked about restricting capacities.... Regardless, for me as somebody who already owns a lot of .32 caliber firearms, from a reloading perspective this makes a lot of sense to me as it uses the same projectiles my .32 H&R Magnums and .327 Federal Magnums do. From a defensive standpoint it offers power right in line with hot .32 H&R Magnum or very mild .327 Federal Magnum and of course much higher capacities over my revolvers. It won't replace them, but it will supplement them. End of the day, to each their own.

[@GodGunsGills]

I sold all my .40s and went to 9mm

[@airborneinfantry23]

M O N E Y. It’s an industry lol. They all work together. Hey, sell this caliber pistol so we can sell this new ammo we made just for it and make a profit

[@MaaveMaave]

@@Predalien195 dude, a 10rd M&P EZ in .30SC? Just take my money now

[@Predalien195]

@@MaaveMaave That is supposed to release with the new cartridge. I feel the same way

[@MobiuSphere]

I won't consider this a success until hi-point makes a blaster for it

[@fancyultrafresh3264]

Just get Kelgren on the job, you know he'll give us something wacky that sells.

[@rrt_roller]

so for a glock 17/p320full sized gun, how likely are we to see 20 round flush mags? that'd be impressive.

[@VanDaRifleman]

Frankly, I like the idea of .30 SC. I just don't expect it to last very long. This might linger in countries that ban civilians from owning guns and ammunition in military chamberings and calibers. If they lightened the projectile even more and got the velocity as high or higher than 7.62mm Tokarev, this could be a very cool round and might stick around for some time.

[@brandeni1785]

Let’s get more Ian on TFB.

[@prazcuray1388]

A new round seems like a good idea, but damn 9 mm has a lot of options and is a versatile round, not to interested in changing up my carry platform

[@juliancantarelli]

I don't own any fire arms, but I THINK I rather have a small form factor handgun with a red dot over more capacity. Maybe because my dad told me "I you don't solve the situation in the first 3 rounds, you better file the front iron".

[@richardefriend]

Gee, I can get an extra 2 rounds in my P365X with a Magguts +2 extender kit, and I'm able to use actual 9mm powered ammo, not something almost as good. And it only cost in the mid $30's (and only took about 3 minutes for the conversion), and didn't make me scrounge around for a whole new platform of ammo (or buy a new and untested platform of firearm).

[@airborneinfantry23]

Yes! This has been my main comment. If you only want more capacity, don’t fall for the marketing ploy, buy a damn mag extension. I have taran tactical +3’s on my Glock 43 and 19. They don’t get in the way of me carrying the guns, and they freaking work. No need to drop hundreds on a new pistol and ammo

[@Slay_No_More]

"everybody's more excited to hear what Ian's thinks over what I think" That's debatable.

[@jpk9171jpk]

I feel like this round would work great with a compensated gun with that much higher chamber pressure.

[@WickedDealer]

30 Stupid Carry, welcome to being the new 224 Valkyrie

[@thetobaccoguy1751]

Consider this. 90% of SD shootings require from 1 to 3 rounds. Is adding 2 to a 8 round mag worth buying a new gun? Then needing to buy a uncommon and likely expensive ammo. I wish them luck, but this will flop hard. 9MM has been around for 100 years. It's not going anywhere.

[@JaronActual]

I've been saying for years capacity past 10 in a carry pistol is significantly diminishing returns. I'll take it if it's available, but not if I have to make a tradeoff for it. Now, significantly increased capacity in duty sidearms? Who wouldn't want 20 rounds in a flush magazine on a duty sidearm?

[@thetobaccoguy1751]

@Sqwee Spare mag carrying G17 hu? Thanks, make me and my G43 6+1 and a 8 rd feel like a Nancy.

[@JaronActual]

@Sqwee theoretically, if they were both manufactured at the same scale, 30SC would be cheaper since it uses less raw material, would have the same terminal ballistics, and would allow more rounds in a given volume or same round in less weight. However, given how entrenched 9mm is in both the military and civilian world, that's very unlikely to happen. This will likely end up like 38 Super: a very good and capable round that garners a small and devoted following in sport shooting, but is held back in wide adoption due to fiscal limitations.

[@thetobaccoguy1751]

@Sqwee I'm all for odd and new calibers, but when you consider a good 70% of people buying carry guns, are not "gun" people. They don't shoot weekly, or have big safes full of guns like many of us. To them, they want a caliber that is widely know and available.

[@pirobot668beta]

I see 30 super, I think "Someone re-tooled the Tokarev"

[@JG54206]

James is kinda right….. I think everyone wants to know Gun Jesus’ thoughts on this just a bit more than everyone else’s.

[@mefirst5427]

Like others here said already, will it be soon "forgotten" ending up in a museum?

[@or6060]

what we really need is a rimless, primer .22 cartridge. just make .22lr more reliable and practical, basically. every gun could be a cp33, but with a cartridge that always goes bang and won't rimlock

[@2carbonphenethylamine701]

You would need to find a way to have it run in 22lr firearms for it to take off, not sure how you could make the firing pin work for a center fire. Otherwise I think that would be fantastic

[@RETOKSQUID]

Make a .25 super carry in a cp33 like package

[@marcosaruca5283]

Compliance states: only 10 round mags Me: hold my 30 super

[@obviousgreyman]

Why are we focused on creating new rounds this year and not just strengthening the supply chains and having ammo ready and affordable to as many people as possible.

[@Lowlightt]

Because the only to increase the number of rounds is to increase the number of machines making rounds which financially doesn't pan out for the companies making the rounds as most people have speculated that the round shortage will roll over in 1-2 years. While the machines could take up to 10 years to actually pay off and thats if there is still the demand during those 10 years for the rounds. Its not a sound investment for them to expand 9mm productions at the moment.

[@obviousgreyman]

@@Lowlightt so it’s a sound investment to create an entirely new round that has zero demand but it’s not to make more 9mm which is basically all anyone is asking for as far as carry ammo goes? That makes zero sense they’re already investing in new machining for the new round why not make more of what people already want instead. There’s a time for innovation but maybe it’s not right in the middle of a shortage.

[@Lowlightt]

@@obviousgreyman Yes it is actually. A machine makes "X" number of rounds. Currently there is demand for 9mm. However eventually that demand will dry up as the market stabilizes. They can add another 9mm machine and meet the current demand but 4 years from now that extra machine won't be needed to meet the normal demand that the market stabilizes to. That means that extra machine will now set not being utilized. And since it would take like 10 years to pay off you would be losing money on the machine in the long run aka why ammo manufacturers aren't tooling up additional 9mm machines. In comparison a new round would have demand even if niche and that newachine can actually continue to run even if the demand for it isn't as high as a 9mm might be in the market. Making it a better investment. A machine that loses money vs once that will make money. It's really that simple. They are looking at there company 5 to 10 years from now. Not the shelves in the ammo store this year.

[@obviousgreyman]

@@Lowlightt right so ammo companies don’t give a shit if you can’t afford their ammo or get the rounds you want as long as it’s financially beneficial for them. Backwards thinking in my book I don’t think they’d lose a penny if they supplied more 9mm not to mention the expensive part of the investment is the machining itself meaning they can just retool later if they want to make a new round once things catch up. The machines aren’t exclusive to caliber.

[@Lowlightt]

@@obviousgreyman Yes a company doesn't care if you personally can get there product if there product is selling out and upscalling isn't a feasible move for the company. Congrats.

[@CalzaTheFox]

Seeing you two together in the same video has me more excited than I have any right to be.

[@linkbond08]

1:51 Bring able to have more confidence comes from shooting a lot, and shooting a lot is very dependent on ammo availability and price.

[@rob.3575]

Yeah I be looking into this right after I get something chambered in .45GAP.

[@MattSmithCA]

If the new gun owners / new shooter segment is truly driving the latest innovations…were there that many new shooters totally unprepared for the power/recoil of the 9mm?

[@huntermccoy7641]

People are weak now in every sense

[@MattSmithCA]

@@huntermccoy7641 I wish they understood a lighter caliber can’t fix that…

[@TheFirstVonGunther]

Maybe SIG can do barrel conversions for their 9mms like swapping .357 sig barrels into 40 cal guns

[@wrxs1781]

A good range report and I wish the developer well with the 30 super carry, for myself it is not something to be considered for cost and practicality. Seems to be a good concept but hard to knock the 9mm of the hill.

[@zm1786]

Smaller ammo means more round om a pallet. Less shipping costs for more rounds. Overall the logistics makes it much cheaper than 9mm if it catches on.

[@fruitfarmfords8243]

It wont ever outpace .45acp in popularity, let alone 9mm, maybe .380, we shall see.

[@zm1786]

@@fruitfarmfords8243 it has great potential to replace 380

[@fruitfarmfords8243]

@@zm1786 smaller ammo, more on pallet equals a more dense load on that pallet, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers, a truck can only haul so much legally.

[@fruitfarmfords8243]

@@zm1786 Possibly, until they put it in a .380 size pocket gun and the muzzle blast and recoil turn people off and it becomes a heizer defense pocket ak or ar. In a bigger gun, sure, but then it only competes with 9mm, a nato caliber, good luck uprooting that massive tree.

[@debbiebreeden8351]

federal: "We listen to the market, thats why we created a "new" round no one asked for instead of explanding production of 9mm and 5.56 to meet demand."

[@CaptainCreampie69]

If what people want is more energy they need to carry a 44 magnum, if they want a semi auto firearm carry a 10mm. If you only care about capacity this will be the round. I honestly think this will be a flop. 2 rounds isn’t enough to add another caliber to my 8 already in my inventory. Now if it was more capacity, more energy and lighter while having the same recoil as a 9mm, 40s&w or 45 acp then I’d be all over it like stink on shit. I will see you all on forgotten weapons in 5 years when Ian is talking abou this.

[@rilesmattix5217]

Yeah man if I ever add another caliber it'll either be .45 ACP or some stupid 150 year old cartridge to feed my krag or carcano

[@DallasJonez]

So when will we see a ballistics gel video against 9mm and 5.7 because I'm curious why I wouldn't just get that Ruger if I wanted more bullets and similar performance 🤔

[@SteelCityIceBirds]

Meh, never have I ever thought you know what my G42 needs, the recoil of a 9mm. If that was the case I’d just buy the 43.

[@chaosrex5702]

I hope this re-ignites the .327 Fed Mag excitement.

[@alexglenn2122]

I can see this taking off in competition if the rules change to allow it. Being able to sneak in 2 or 3 extra rounds within the magazine limit, while having almost identical recoil is kind of a big deal.

[@SGCXD]

Good stuff! Let’s see what this does in PCC Guns! 🧐

[@markconnelly183]

Hi James, appreciate all the info from the show. The .30 SC is interesting, can you tell any significant difference in the “loudness” of this cartridge vs 9mm? In my experience, cartridges with significantly higher pressures generate more noise which could have some negative effects in a defensive situation however negligible.

[@matthewblackwood9653]

I've got the same concern. 5.7 is *loud* and it's at a similar pressure.

[@V1kingBro]

A solution to a problem no one has.

[@fearlessleader8623]

Ian and James could seriously do a sitcom together and id watch it

[@ChrisSierra]

Cool to see Ian and Jeremy