24mph with 4400lbs car with 707hp out of a 6.2L supercharged V8 that's amazing
@3turbo1448 жыл бұрын
Yeah I thought you needed at least 800 hp to hit 24 mph! You probably need at least a billion hp to hit the claimed 199 mph!
@NoChaserNoChaser5048 жыл бұрын
+benjamin guillory haha my bad typo I ment *24MPG
@xn73318 жыл бұрын
+benjamin guillory my truck only has 100hp. how fast can i go?
@3turbo1448 жыл бұрын
+Bad Drivers Of Bartow County Georgia you can go as fast as you can walk because 100 hp will not move a truck
@biggusdickus55008 жыл бұрын
+benjamin guillory 100 hp will move a truck!!!! smh!
@memonk118 жыл бұрын
I've got a challenger rt shaker. The sticker says 13/23 mpg. On long highway trips (200 miles) I've gotten 28 mpg.
@jmfs2k2738 жыл бұрын
That's impressive
@memonk118 жыл бұрын
Yeah. But it's the 5.7 liter.
@Dcc3578 жыл бұрын
I found our 2013 Grand Cherokee with a 5.7 Hemi to get over 25 MPG at 60 miles per hour. I didn't get a chance to measure it at 75 MPH yet. However, the gas mileage is horrible in the city. You'd be lucky to get 15 lol.
@memonk118 жыл бұрын
Cruise control and keeping the rpms low. Once I start Diving like normal, all local stop and go, I'm at 16 - 21.
@cheffington9998 жыл бұрын
+memonk11 Large V8s with tall gears get much better gas mileage than theyre given credit for. On the other hand, my sisters 96 accord gets about 22 on the highway because the engine is winding out at 80mph
@dukinygaming2598 жыл бұрын
This 707 horsepower challenger gets the same mpg as a 2016 Ford Explorer ecoboost. "Eco"boost. Think about that
@lifehackertips75988 жыл бұрын
+Dukiny Gaming he drove 100 miles at a steady 75mph in Eco mode. I'm sure your ecoboost would do great if you put it at 75mph and drove 100 miles on cruise
@Shintsu28 жыл бұрын
+Dukiny Gaming It's just because some twit at Ford figured out that turbocharging cars was a thing, like many did in the '80s and decided that putting eco there makes it more marketable to morons who know nothing about cars. There's nothing eco about a turbo, a powerful turbo will suck gas as much as a NA car. Turbos only going to save you gas if it's a four cylinder and you stay out of the boost.
@electrictroy20108 жыл бұрын
+Shintsu2 HENCE the name "eco". Downsizing the engine saves fuel, as with the Ecoboost three cylinder that gets 44mpg on EPA highway tests (55mpg on European tests). And without any of that hybrid battery nonsense .
@denhouse18 жыл бұрын
Love this series!! I'm a 2014 Mustang GT owner and really like what you guys are doing in the "muscle car" arena. Please more videos like this "Hellcat VS xxx". I look forward to them. One thing I would ask at least for this series - Make it easy on yourself and don't add the cheesy music; don't add any music! Just give us the beautiful sounds of the car itself with your nice voice overs. Thanks again
@MrBlingBling048 жыл бұрын
People need to Stop comparing muscle cars to the sports cars section OK. We're not talking about Corvettes vipers and Lamborghinis here their sports cars meant for racing which is another class of its own. This is strictly a musclecar nothing more nothing less so keep it muscle people. If you're saying you would rather own a Z06 it's because you don't like muscle cars you like sports cars which is fine.
@chrisphelps41798 жыл бұрын
I'm a disabled vet living in southern Colorado. and love challengers. I had a 392 hemi 6 speed when I was in the army. but couldn't afford it anymore when I got out. I hope I can drive or own one of these hellcats one day
@rubena39098 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your service. I'm sure you'll get one in the near future🙏
@717swerv5 жыл бұрын
Chris Phelps thank you for you service 🙏🏾
@collinator688 жыл бұрын
that's some pretty damn good mpg for having over 700hp, imagine if that car had cylinder deactivation mode, might get over 30. I know the car will probably never have that, but it's a pretty cool concept
@5xthejoy8 жыл бұрын
Congrats on your new TFL Hellcat. Can't wait to see ALL the TFL Hellcat vs. Videos.
@bwilliamstown8 жыл бұрын
Coming up: Hellcat Gold Mine Hill Off-road Review
@hunterkennedy24298 жыл бұрын
doesn't that motor have a break in period? I think it's 1000 miles. and you can't go over a certain RPM. just wondering
@TFLcar8 жыл бұрын
500 mile break in period.
@coolguyinaredshirt92518 жыл бұрын
+The Fast Lane Car y u guys get a hellcat
@MrKeyboardCommando8 жыл бұрын
+The Fast Lane Car Does that mean you break it in 500 miles; generally by wrapping it round a tree⁉️🤕
@hunterkennedy24298 жыл бұрын
+The Fast Lane Car I hope you didn't go out a do those 0-60s with at least 500 miles on it.
@MrKeyboardCommando8 жыл бұрын
hunter kennedy It's not their car, so they can drive it like they stole it. Actually, they generally do steal their cars, from New Jersey. But, as it's more than 500 miles from Colorado, the Hellcat wouldn't survive the journey.
@Guy_de_Loimbard8 жыл бұрын
93 octane is for us flatlanders down here in ethanol country where we can actually put it to use. One reason you only get 91 is because you're a mile above sea level. Lower air density = less heat from compression = not as much octane needed to prevent detonation. In fact you could probably get by on 89 up there.
@goatmonkey21128 жыл бұрын
That is seriously impressive to get 24.6 MPG from a car with that much power. What do you think a Lamborghini Aventador gets on the highway? Maybe 13 or so?
@goatmonkey21128 жыл бұрын
Also, this is at altitude when it's cold, you lose MPG for both of those things.
@goatmonkey21128 жыл бұрын
electrictroy2010 I suppose that's possible. I think TFLCar needs to test this.
@BeachJedi1018 жыл бұрын
+goatmonkey2112 Cold air is more dense, equating to more power. Higher altitude has less air resistance and oxygen causing the engine to burn less fuel.
@sickjohnson8 жыл бұрын
My friend bought the Challenger when it first came out in 2008 then proceed to up grade it ever year just about; so now there is over $60k into it...they are hella fun! The factory tires are not so good, but you will find that the Nitto Invo's work the best, and are awesome in the rain too. Congrats guys!!!
@lfsracer798 жыл бұрын
24.598 does not round down to 24.5
@dukinygaming2598 жыл бұрын
The car says 24.5
@MichaelMiller-rg6or8 жыл бұрын
So you guys have a Ford Raptor, and now you have a Dodge Challenger Hellcat. I am really jealous of you right now!
@mikeh02228 жыл бұрын
Excited to follow this little series
@thesponge914bob8 жыл бұрын
You mean 2.09 $ 91
@jstamped53828 жыл бұрын
uu
@lfsracer798 жыл бұрын
+Jonathan Figueroa 2.099 does not round down to 2.09
@dave1the1deer1hunter8 жыл бұрын
+lfsracer79 I am not sure a European car would run on 91 octane, minimum is 95 and most premium is 97 - 99. However it is currently 99 pence per litre.
@xn73318 жыл бұрын
+David Moore European octane ratings are different than US. EU ratings are 95/98, which are equivalent to US ratings of 91/93.
@lfsracer798 жыл бұрын
Bad Drivers Of Bartow County Georgia The difference is that 95 octane in Europe (91 US) is regular whereas 91 octane in the US is premium. 98 octane in Europe is available pretty much everywhere but 93 is quite rare in the US.
@abdullelahrodayan52908 жыл бұрын
in Saudi Arabia, we have only premium gasoline 91 and 95 , and its very cheap 91 = 0.20 $ per 1 Litre 95 = 0.24 $ per 1 Litre I dont know how much in gallons where in the US, the gas price per 1 Litre is about 3.75 $
@geraltofrivian5168 жыл бұрын
You guys are very lucky. It must be paradise for car fans there.
@NIAtoolkit8 жыл бұрын
$2 a gallon is close to $0.50 per litre.
@JVR20198 жыл бұрын
Amazing piece of engineering.... I wish that somehow Dodge had an AWD system tucked into that baby too, that could be turned on when needed.
@miguelrios458 жыл бұрын
what's so special about this year's challenger. still looks the same as when they first came out. the Mustang and Camaro are keeping up with the modern times.
@paulpowell35948 жыл бұрын
One other suggestion to you guys. Can you do a Hellcat VS Mustang 2013 or 2014 GT500? It is the closest competitor to the Hellcat in design and mission. The GT350 serves a completely different mission, same thing with the Camaro SS.
@jameshaas59228 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. Love the highway info (RPM at cruise and MPG, amount of noise at cruise) as I would be driving this on the highway to and from work. Great video.
@dgkushi8 жыл бұрын
great video and great car it's an amazing feat of engineering to build an 4500lb car and 24mpg 11 sec quarter mi.!
@tyvekhomewrap91647 жыл бұрын
my 2002 Passat gets about the same mpg on the highway. shows just how far fuel economy tech has come in 15 years.
@Natureboy2078 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing the rest of the vids. Very happy with the MPG. I own a manual so I am sure I will not get the same mileage but I have taken it on a short 5 hour trip and it got pretty decent mileage.
@krsimpson898 жыл бұрын
Great idea for a video series! And btw, I might be biased to my Challenger, but I must say I'm looking forward to hearing that Ford flat crank scream when you put it head to head.
@IssaqAl-Ahmed8 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah! I look forward to more from this series!
@paulieb55578 жыл бұрын
i alson burnt about 70 percent of my tread within 4 months of owning the scatpack as well its just to hard not to let the back end out or do donuts trust me any fanatic who loves these cars for that reason is gonna have a blast and on my way to work i usually hit 170-180 mph get to work quick lol luckily havent got a you know what ticket yet in a full year absolutely love my car my only advice is get it in black or red to me thats what makes it really stand out dont get a dull color it doesnt make these cars pop as much sublime to if your crazy lol
@DevPack8 жыл бұрын
Camaro SS and gt350R are not even in the same class, but should be a interesting comparison cant wait!
@scarakus8 жыл бұрын
Dang! $1800 guzzler tax, they nailed you. If it's any consolation of comparison; I only paid 1k guzzler tax for the 2016 Scat Pack. According to my computer @ 1100 miles, i'm averaging 21mpg counting the balls out runs.
@amujtabaa8 жыл бұрын
The thing that I like about the 2016 Camaro SS is that it puts down the results without excuses. It's balanced in terms of power and grip. The Hellcat gets such a wide variance in 0-60 times because of the launch (not counting this winter video). The Camaro SS puts down 4 second times consistently. Perhaps it's unamerican to say, but the Hellcat has too much HP for its rear tires (in my opinion).
@schellingrs8 жыл бұрын
You guys do 0-60 and hard launches when the weather is near freezing? IN SUMMER TIRES! Wow.
@milehighkit47258 жыл бұрын
Love the 1928 Chrysler in the background.
@fkporsche18 жыл бұрын
Wow! The gas price in Colorado is much better than in southern cal. My best MPG on my hellcat is 20.5mpg after 1,500 miles on my odometer on my car computer from Orange County to San Diego. Although I wasn't using cruise control. It was just for good fun to see what's the best mph on this 6.2 liter motor.
@NordicNevs8 жыл бұрын
So glad you all got this car!!!!!!
@NordicNevs8 жыл бұрын
+C Nevs Also did you say "gas guzzler" tax. I didn't know colorado required that, interesting
@electrictroy20108 жыл бұрын
+C Nevs THE gas guzzler tax is imposed by the U.S. government, so is required in all states .
@karatetar8 жыл бұрын
Colorado uses lower octane gasoline because of the high altitude (low pressure), not cause of epa regs
@grabir018 жыл бұрын
Add 1 gallon of E85 for each quarter tank. That will help power . My old Big Block Corvette can do a 5 up here in Colorado... But a 4? Yikes... I would need NOS to do that.. Or some other power adder.. Challenger HellCat is King !! Long live the King !!
@Dcc3578 жыл бұрын
You can't do a Mopar review without Nathan. Lol I'm kidding this was a good review and I'm surprised by the gas mileage.
@njrivetelite8 жыл бұрын
I love that you are doing this series.. but would love to see the full potential of this car.. constantly I see this car hindered by the lack of traction.. and also in your case.. high altitude.. I want to see that thing with wide slicks on it at near sea level and really see what it can do.
@wvcorvetteman8 жыл бұрын
I'm really glad you did an mpg test. I have always wondered how one would sctually do.-Thanks
@Stealther8 жыл бұрын
TFLcar forgot to say thanks subscribers for our new toy!
@RichJ_youtube8 жыл бұрын
Dodge must have anticipated people using sticky tires with their launch control programming. At this level of power, 1st gear isn't going to hook up even in normal conditions. On the 09-14 CTS-V, the automatic starts in 2nd gear in Drive, and when the power is turned up with typical mods to Hellcat levels, you still can't go WOT from a dead stop in 2nd, even with summer tires in a 285 width (I had such a car). At a certain point, it's harder to do a quick 0-60 than in a less powerful car. Once you are rolling though...
@MrUpgraydde8 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see you guys put this up against a R/T Scat Pack with the same transmission to test real world advantages of all the boosted power. I suspect the NA 392 in the Scat is the point of diminishing returns for that chassis.
@robertbrody40328 жыл бұрын
+MrUpgraydde I traded my 2015 SRT 392 for a 2016 Hellcat. I can assure you that the Hellcat advantages are very real.
@mikedamdo16418 жыл бұрын
My 6 speed manual challengers gets 26mpg highway on the way to Vegas from LA
@mikedamdo16418 жыл бұрын
+mystic1754 2014 R/T challenger , sorry should have mentioned that. I get roughly 26-28mpg on the way to Vegas from LA at approx 75/80mph set on cruise control
@robertbrody40328 жыл бұрын
+mystic1754 He is correct. The Hellcat is indeed capable of 26-27 MPG. It's amazing. Fast Lane Car just did a test and easily got close to 25 MPG with their Hellcat on the highway. The problem is that when you hit stop & go traffic your MPG will drop like a rock. But as a highway cruiser, the Hellcat can sip fuel in a surprising way.
@kirikos658 жыл бұрын
Im always amazed at the slow times these guys get 0-60.
@jeepcollector918 жыл бұрын
If only they would squeeze the 6.2L Hellcat into the 2017 Fiat 124 Spider and back it with a manual... That would be scary fun.
@maximebintz47958 жыл бұрын
You call 91 octane high? I'm from Europe, here 95 octane is minimum you get as standard and you can get 102 octane ( Aral ) or 106 (special Shell), but why ?
@russellmaugerr8 жыл бұрын
thank for this. this will deff be my next car
@ronniedavis38868 жыл бұрын
The Hellcat is much faster than that. Not many people can drive that car to its full potential. It's not very driver friendly.
@brandondannys-menary36787 жыл бұрын
My dream car right here!! 707 amurican horsepowa!!
@clintwest49036 жыл бұрын
the price for 91 octane in this video clearly says 2.099 which is $2.09 almost $2.10 not $2.99
@dkgreek8 жыл бұрын
Sounds good but the new Shelby GT350 with the flat-plane crank is something special.
@mirsec00888 жыл бұрын
The difference is that you can pick this car right off the show room, unlike the Shelby. You have to send your mustang somewhere else (right?).
@gt4th8 жыл бұрын
Why not do the burnout first then the 0-60 test? Warm tires would have grabbed much better. My guess 2/10ths faster.
@hectorguajardo63928 жыл бұрын
that's what I like about the Hellcat because you get reliable 707 horsepower on like if you get a tune and or something out of another car and a warranty to on top of that I feel bad for the people that they buy 70 challenger back in the day because at that only comes with a 48 month warranty with a Hemi engine
@philtripe8 жыл бұрын
when you said the mileage on the odometer in the beginning i swear i actually could smell that "new car smell"
@TheAceY2k4 жыл бұрын
Over here in Cali, 91 is around 3.59- 4.29
@andy3669198 жыл бұрын
I have a 2015 Dodge Challenger srt 392 with the same sepia brown colored seats. Unfortunately, after 5,700 miles now, I've noticed dark discoloration on the seat... Kinda sucks. I have no idea why because I'm not rough getting in and out of the car. It has taught me to get black leather in all future vehicle. Also, because the leather is so soft, it is wearing out rather quickly. I'm sure you guys will find out soon enough. :-/
@TheWeakLink1018 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it would get better MPG after the engine has 5000 miles on it. I know my 2015 f150 sure did
@tutonemalone55907 жыл бұрын
Who in the hell is worried about fuel economy when you're buying a 707 hp vehicle?!
@Aluzcz8 жыл бұрын
Guys, just one question how come you have Czech subtitles which are so well done, definitely not some google translate robot, some Czech guys over there?
@michaelwallbrown37267 жыл бұрын
MPG if you can afford you are not going to worry about the gas mileage or what the insurance is per year
@jhook78638 жыл бұрын
So the Hellcat gets the gas guzzler tax with the AUTO? I know the 392 only gets that tax with the manuals.
@jvflex86038 жыл бұрын
Yep, I had to pay that tax as well for mine.
@TheJBird19737 жыл бұрын
Don't Forget - Tire Pressure WILL Effect MPGs, especially low pressure! JBird.... Semper Fi (0311/8621 ~ Disabled)
@wedonds8 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on the purchase. Looking forward to the Hellcat VS (Especially the GT 350
@MrSixstringthing8 жыл бұрын
My break in period for my new lex is250 was 5k or first oil change. my harley was 500 miles but they want you to do your first damn oil change at 1k miles.
@jimmypcordova107 жыл бұрын
surprised Lochbuie didn't pull you over haha this is the car I want!
@solacedagony12348 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering how consistent the pump stopping point is. In my car, it seems like the "Miles to Empty" has a max to min delta of 50 or 60 miles.
@brandonfriesen53898 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing the Raptor is gone in place of this?
@Industrialmodels24 жыл бұрын
I did 0-60 in 4.4 in my RT 392.....I do have a performance exhaust and cold Air Intake but that shouldn't matter. He must be getting a lot of wheel slip.....
@Damanwithaplan6194 жыл бұрын
Fairmont Subdivision he’s also a mile above sea level so you gotta account for altitude changes
@mckookie29678 жыл бұрын
Must be really high altitude for that 0-60. sweet ass car
@Mike5048 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see hellcat vs snow. ie if your out and a bad snowstorm comes can it get you home safely and without white knuckleing the wheel praying. The car looks like a hoot but if I can't use it half the year I'm turned off. I had a Mustang that would go sideways if the road even looked wet.
@reddawncomming58898 жыл бұрын
you bought the car just fora test drive?
@aaronbehindbars8 жыл бұрын
Please redo the 0-60 when it's warmer for better traction and also with a few break in miles on the engine. I'm sure we'll see Hellcat vs. Dragstrip when Bandimere (spelling?) reopens.
@TFLcar8 жыл бұрын
Yes, this spring we will most certainly take it to the drag strip.
@aaronbehindbars8 жыл бұрын
The Fast Lane Car Also, Hellcat vs. Gas Guzzler might be fun. Let's see how bad you can make the mpg without doing anything too unlawful. I'm betting single digits.
@Gabesafish8 жыл бұрын
And take it down closer to sea level too!
@mr.pink707carreviews28 жыл бұрын
with DR'S on the cat and better weather low 3's.
@Ryno_9168 жыл бұрын
great series idea
@paulpowell35948 жыл бұрын
I just have to tell you, I own one of these, right now it is sitting in my garage in a bubble waiting for the spring. I love watching your videos and I can't wait to get mine out. How can we help you get this hellcat to Germany?
@TFLcar8 жыл бұрын
That is our dream to get it on the Autobahn. It really depends on how popular this series becomes. If we can find a sponsor or a way to...we will do it. You can help support us here: www.patreon.com/tflcar?ty=h
@paulpowell35948 жыл бұрын
+The Fast Lane Car thanks guys. I've linked the video on Hellcat.Org and on our Facebook Hellcat group. You guys do a great job and your videos always gets positive reviews.
@millionairemindset11368 жыл бұрын
The problem I have with the hellcat is you have to look really hard to tell if it's a hellcat model. The challenger r/t and Scat pack from a far look like a hellcat but up close you can tell what they are. If I'm going to spend money on such a car, it better have much more than a little badge to distinguish itself from a regular challenger. And not to mention how many V6 models look like V8 models these days.
@REDZ28won8 жыл бұрын
You can get a bid sticker that says HELLCAT on both sides of the car.
@millionairemindset11368 жыл бұрын
+REDZ28won ooh yeah let's get a big sticker!!! Lol smh
You said the emblem wasn't enough. Here you go. There are a lot more on ebay if you really want to be obvious you have aHeelcat.
@wes35278 жыл бұрын
Glad I have an SRT Jeep and can consistently hit 60 in 4.4 no matter the outside temperature
@wantsanewvehicle8 жыл бұрын
Oops Roman, 4:45 you said that premium is $2.99/gal - 11:44 we see that it is $2.09/gal. :D
@kovinicdusan898 жыл бұрын
Only 91 Octane fuel. We in Europe dont have petrol below 95 Octane.
@bigdl728 жыл бұрын
2.99 FOR PREMIUM GAS??!! WHERE TF ARE YOU MAN?! IN LA THE CHEAPEST STUFF CAN BARELY STAY UNDER 2.99 FML
@mcinkyt8 жыл бұрын
The massive tires a Corvette wears are good for 450hp. This skinny tire car is built for middle aged crazies who want to spin tires
@paulpowell35948 жыл бұрын
Hey Nathen, I know you said the car only had 18 miles it, can you do another test as soon as it has more than 2500 miles to see if the engine being broken in changes the results?
@sundarapandianjeyamanohara58098 жыл бұрын
Needs wider rear tires.
@itzschy8 жыл бұрын
Very nice! Roman will come to us. Hey Roman i live in Berlin. Please make your Autobahnrace in the summer from Berlin to Dresden. Cause during the race you can show up your Car at 2 racetracks. The Eurospeedway and the Spreewaldring. Please come to Berlin !! 😀
@Smokealotapotamous8 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see an AUTO VS MANUAL (A8 vs M6), in one of your comparisons.....:)
@geomox48 жыл бұрын
Look again. $2.099 so it's $2.10 per gallon. That's cheaper than our cheapest gas in Pa.
@lifehackertips75988 жыл бұрын
4:45 it's not two dollars and ninety-nine cents. Clearly says on the pump $2.099, which is two dollars and nine cents.
@jmfs2k2738 жыл бұрын
Def out of touch . .what gas is 179 for reg and 2.99 premium ....they would sell like five gallons a day .and that's from ppl not looking .
@cesarochoa91858 жыл бұрын
here the gas starts at 3.95$ but the highest one goes up to 5.00$
@Voodoo86488 жыл бұрын
I cant get beyond those teeny tiny "paddle shifter" nubs
@melaningod18657 жыл бұрын
Cool video and I love the hellcat Challenger...
@ZAINABBAS8 жыл бұрын
Just wondering, did u guys consider ford mustang gt too?
@Tully36748 жыл бұрын
At 8:44, there was a masked car a few car lengths ahead. Roman...you should have gotten a little closer and share what you think that car was.
@TFLcar8 жыл бұрын
Here you go: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYXZnnxvjNarmpo
@Tully36748 жыл бұрын
+The Fast Lane Car You sneaky devil! :)
@tannerrienbolt52487 жыл бұрын
It's 4 gallons used driving 100 miles....and you guessed 22
@michaelvickers898 жыл бұрын
This is funny the guy trying to teach a professional auto guy about the car he just bought lol
@MrUpgraydde8 жыл бұрын
so, what you're telling us is that the Hellkitten heturns Golf R numbers for twice the price and Chrysler build "quality?" Also, Golf R is an AWD, 4 Dr, hatch, daily driver.
@robertbrody40328 жыл бұрын
+MrUpgraydde Golf R is slooowwwwww. And the Charger Hellcat is a MUCH nicer and roomier ride than the tiny Golf. The Hellcat is 40% faster.
@melvinarias10448 жыл бұрын
18 miles umm i believe that is because of shipping around and testing before its handle to the customers.
@CaptainThirdGen8 жыл бұрын
these videos are sweet
@douglasbrown20268 жыл бұрын
Speirs's hellcat burnout was way better
@jb04828 жыл бұрын
same (subscriber) 😄
@Dgpcars8 жыл бұрын
Interesting...a german magazine did 3.9 from 0-100 kph.
@toddreeder3082 Жыл бұрын
They hold up well against the Vette Camaro and Stang considering you give up 600 to 700lb of car me personally I love mine im 6 foot 7 and no way I'm comfortable in any of those above I mentioned my Challenger however a game changer for the big and tall fella