Quickest American Car Ever: Demon 170 vs Lucid Sapphire VHT & Asphalt - Cammisa Ultimate Drag Race

Let’s settle the debate on regular pavement and VHT: which is the quickest accelerating American car in history, the Dodge Challenger SRT Demom 170 or the Lucid Air Sapphire?
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In this episode, we race the two most powerful American production cars in history, the 1234-hp Lucid Air Sapphire and the 1025-hp Dodge Challenger SRT D170.
The first race takes place on regular asphalt, with our standard weather-corrected numbers. With the help of veteran drag racer, we achieve the quickest 0-60 and ¼-mile times ever seen from a Challenger. But is that enough to beat the Sapphire?
Either way, the Demon’s Mickey Thompson drag radials aren’t meant for an unprepped surface, so we leave Willow Springs and head to the Famoso Drag Strip to race on “glue” - the VHT-prepped surface.
Here, Tom Bailey’s experience launching the Challenger pays dividends as we try to recreate Dodge’s claimed 8.91-second quarter-mile run and dethrone the Lucid. Will it work?
Let’s fight about it.
Chapters:
0:00 America Divided: ICE vs EV
1:16 The Dodge Challenger SRT Demon 170 Specs
2:43 The Lucid Air Sapphire Specs
4:21 Asphalt Race: Demon 170 vs Lucid Sapphire
5:04 Drag Race Replay: What Happened?
8:53 Results and Willow Springs Conclusion
9:27 Moving to Famoso Drag Strip
9:42 What is VHT?
10:29 What is Rollout?
11:07 How do the Timing Lights Work?
12:55 Demon vs Sapphire race on VHT
14:53 Conclusion and Results
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Performance Testing Results:
Lucid Air Sapphire
0-60: 2.1 seconds
¼-mile: 9.2 sec @ 158 mph
Dodge Challenger SRT Demon 170
0-60: 3.7 seconds
¼-mile: 11.2 sec @ 139 mph
VHT Prepped Surface Results:
Lucid Air Sapphire: 9.002 sec @ 155.57 mph (0-60 in 1.92 sec)
Dodge SRT Demon 170: 9.721 sec @ 143.72 mph

[@Hagerty]

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[@c.a.j]

44s ago is crazy

[@someonecalledeulogio2280]

An awd challenger demon would beat the lucid?

[@S8ER]

@@someonecalledeulogio2280 not without significantly more power. You have additional drivetrain loss with AWD and the Demon is already the underdog in the power department.

[@tonemack2981]

Yup I said that when Dodge first ran the 170 in public. No one is gonna be able to get that time that Dodge got in a 170. It's gonna take 170 attempts to do so. 😅

[@Dennis-ff2pf]

Already watched demonology spank a plaid .

[@danieltanuwijaya7675]

The 170 in its name refers to how many runs needed to achieve the advertised 8.9 second 1/4 mile time

[@DonLee1980]

way way more than 170

[@PeterJ-gw1to]

They call it the Demon because it can only perforrm these numbers in your dreams, not real life.

[@G82Watts]

Might wanna watch demonology. He gets those times, all the time. U people clearly dont know what a driver mod is. He beat the plaid 3 out of 3 times. Yet this guy best time was a 10.1 😂😂 yea OK.

[@rykehuss3435]

Not a single street legal Demon 170 exists that does under 9 seconds quarter mile. That is simply not possible on street legal tires, not that the Demon would do it with pre-heated drag tires on superglued tarmac either. I doubt it If you want sub 9 seconds 1/4 mile times on street legal tires you need a rocket engine.

[@abelincoln4374]

​@@G82Wattsyall always come with these bullshit excuses 😂 the man driving in this video is a professional drag racer as well. Dodges suck at launching, and they're especially worthless on a non prepped surface. The fact still remains that anyone can get a lucid to run 9.0, you need a favor from the gods to get your demon to do it, though.

[@EngineeringExplained]

To my knowledge, this is the only proper third-party test of the Dodge Demon on a drag strip - hat's off Jason & co for making this happen!! Also, makes the 8.9s Dodge claim *really* hard to believe. RWD is hard!

[@BrianBeckman]

I think the question now becomes: Is a Lucid Air Sapphire towing a Dodge Demon faster in the quarter mile than a Dodge Demon?

[@kkellywv]

Dodge's 8.9 claim was with a single seat spec car, which the one in this video wasn't, and with MUCH better density altitude and track prep. You know as well as anyone that DA can make or break an ICE car and not all "track prep" is equal. You could tell it still wasn't hooking by the in-car shots showing intense wheel hop and it wasn't pulling the wheels up anywhere near as high or as far as what a lot of the other ones do. I've seen stock ones almost trip the 60ft timers with the back tires. It takes very low DA and excellent track prep on the factory tires or going up a size in the rear to get a D170 to dead hook. There are privately owned stock D170s running in the 8.8-9.2 range either on the factory rubber or with a wheel/tire swap. With all that said, Tom Bailey is a phenomenal driver and the Lucid is an incredible car, no doubt about either of those.

[@upshifter5316]

@@kkellywv ^^ This. It's all about the DA, which doesn't give any advantage to an EV. I've not found where/what track the 8.91 time was set, but I guarantee it wasn't California in the summer. More likely Detroit in the fall.

[@Absuurd_Hooman]

they post 8,9 because they excluded the rollout time. and RWD with less horsepower and torque will always lose to AWD with more horsepower and instant torque.

[@kkellywv]

@@upshifter5316 I have a picture of the actual slip. It was South Georgia Motorsports Park December 2nd 2022 at 10:12am. 1.24 60ft, 8.912 @ 151.17. They did a LOT of testing over a long time at multiple locations and that particular day at SGMP yielded the published run.

[@sungkim742]

What people fail to mention is that the Lucid doesn't even have drag tires or a parachute.

[@Tattle-by-Tale]

All Wheel Drive is All Wheel Drive though.

[@IceTTom]

Also failed to mention it has windows, it isn't painted pink, it has 4 wheels, the wheels are round I mean... we watched the video 🥴

[@IceTTom]

@@Tattle-by-Tale Absolutely brilliant statement! Give this man an award! Pure genius!

[@kylegirmsey]

nor a soul

[@ttystikkrocks1042]

​@@Tattle-by-TaleFour wheel burnouts are a thing (just watch a Ken Block video) and the traction control system in the Lucid is doing serious work keeping that great big heavy car straight, square and pulling hard with all four corners.

[@ROBMACDUI]

Wow, that 170 looked like a monster but the way that Lucid just disappeared was absurd!

[@sigdre9225]

One car that’s at the end of it’s production and the other from a now bankrupt and soon to be defunct manufacturer 2:30

[@EGGaming296]

u sure this ain't rigged? what I mean is there have been fake tests done for money so don't believe everything on the internet!!

[@user-ez6sm5lb6t]

@@sigdre9225 Lucid still owns the patents on its motors and batteries. All Formula E batteries are made by lucid

[@Slyrsu]

@@sigdre9225 So a car that's had a decade to get it right got beat by a nearly bankrupt brand new company? Lmao

[@ZoMTDU]

@@Slyrsu No he's saying once the US government finds out how fast they are from stock and adds 1000+ restrictions to all that power there goes any reason to actually buy it in the first place, basically bankrupting the company.

[@BrendanEvan]

I never understood rollout before. This show is pure education

[@van_trippin5260]

Same here. At least i now know why it used to be a thing, before accurate timing. Total b.ll..ks nowadays

[@danielowenuk]

It’s why offset exists in drag cars. Effectively you can cheat the timing a little by having one wheel a couple of inches further forward than the other. Probably does weird things to handling of a road car though 😂

[@brentvance3958]

@@danielowenukdepending on how fast your car is. Cars that go 12’s or higher it’s not a problem but 11’s and lower it’s a problem. I had a 1985 Mustang GT that could run 12.5’s all day but if I staged a little offset I could run 12.39. It was awesome. The short block was a stock 85 302 but parts on it were not.

[@bishopoftroy]

tf is "PURE" education :))) you make it sound like that`s all the pure epic education you had in your life.

[@TheJohn8765]

@@van_trippin5260 Seems like an easy problem to fix even with totally analog "electric eye" tech from 50 years ago, but good luck trying to change people's minds...

[@joemama069]

The Lucid disappearing when comparing it to a 1000hp drag car is insane

[@Shaker392]

@@joemama069 instant torque & all wheel drive sure helps.

[@globalmoney154]

It’s got 200 more hp and 485 more lb/ft of torque

[@BigKandRtv]

Yep, and it isn't even close. Crazy quick microwave right there.

[@katalysis]

It's long been established as the fastest production car in the world. Not sure why anyone is surprised or expected otherwise?

[@Chris-hw4mq]

The 170 is junk not worth the money, a 911 turbo would beat it easy

[@audiwankenobi361]

Have never had "Rollout" explained to me so clearly. Thanks and this is incredibly entertaining.

[@driverjamescopeland]

The fact a full trim luxury car can beat the 170, is all you need to know 🤦‍♂️

[@collinkaufman2316]

But its so expensive but really cool

[@siyem2051]

@@collinkaufman2316Hopefully the price will come down a little more to embarrass as many dodge owners as possible in the streets

[@bigmikeg84]

If that's the best launch Tom Bailey can do, it's the best launch period.

[@Mustardmamgt]

Sick Week!!!

[@pwdrhnd23]

I don't know, Demonology (Herman) has the best experience launching the both Demon models.

[@DroneStrike1776]

@@pwdrhnd23 I would take Tom Bailey of Demonology any day of the week. You're forgetting that this is Famosa, it's not known for good DA. It's 615ft above sea level and DA is over 4000ft. Those numbers choke out an ICE.

[@G82Watts]

Well u would be wrong. Demonology has actually got his 170 to do what dodge claims. Hes owned dodge products all his life.

[@nastinick9380]

Lucid is faster but the Demon is way more exciting and fun to drive. Speed is pointless now a days. Give me the thrill of the drive any day and that's the Demon

[@bowtiebonanza]

Whoever came up with, "Grandy Pobst" is a got dang genius. That was hilarious.

[@TheSpiderpig976]

@@bowtiebonanza game of thrones!

[@kaii-lb]

i laughed so hard at it fsr

[@skierpage]

Putting the drag into drag racing!

[@binauralauto3621]

I laughed; leave it up to Randy to brighten someone's day!

[@meljenmobilegaming1246]

I love every time jason point out that Randy is Old 😂, love the good old days at MT Channel head2head

[@ArsalanKhan-ty9vq]

Screw the cars, who edited this masterpiece. The production on this video is incredible. 👍👍👍

[@bradleyland]

The Lucid looks like CGI when it shoots off the line on VHT. Absolutely insane.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Absolutely insane to use the phrase absolutely insane ONE TRILLION TIMES.

[@goskidmark]

Jason Cammisa is the face of the Hagerty media group. Period. He needs a raise.

[@TheJohn8765]

I'm quite fond of Catchpole, too! Different style, tho.

[@crookedaxle]

I had to go back and watch another video to trigger my brain why he looks different.

[@tomfurstyfield]

I only watch Jason videos I wish he made every video on the channel

[@sarkaranish]

@@TheJohn8765 He gives a much more top gear vibe, very sophisticated and nice. I love that hagerty has a guy for everyone. they do a great job with casting hosts.

[@BenzMusoni]

He needs his own drag race channel

[@brainwithani5693]

Let me just say this show is an absolute model of editing, music, hosting, everything is perfect. I aspire to be this good one day.

[@BigKandRtv]

I was thinking the same. Production values off the chart. It was good enough that I didn't feel like skipping forward to the money shots.

[@sharifnealy1835]

Absolutely incredible

[@misiek08]

All the fake sounds of engine, added from different runs and different places and the non-stop "we know better" approach. Love it!

[@Freddy_Confetti]

Track prep want good enough or he wasn’t on e85. No reason a demon 170 would be that slow when they run low 9’a routinely in every other video

[@BigKandRtv]

@@Freddy_Confetti Altitude density affects all ICE, even those with forced induction. On the other hand, low density actually helps the electric car a tiny bit: less dense air induces less drag.

[@MH-on8ol]

Lucid is for real and haters will hate. The car is bad ass. I drove an Air GT and it was 1050 HP and was wicked fast. Whoever is doing your film editing is absolute top of the game well done folks.

[@richardroberson9277]

It's a laughably limited production by a failing company that has like 30hp extra tuned into it just to beat a 4yr old plaid....95k vs 250? What a joke. They'll blow money on dorky stuff like this just to get headlines. Longest range fastest by .05. then you gotta charge it at a Walmart smh

[@bfvader]

@@richardroberson9277 It didn't have to throw out all the switches, buttons, stalks, and half the steering wheel to save costs... oops I mean "minimalism".

[@Searchingtheworld7183]

The Lucid Saphire is insane

[@mrb2349]

The cars, the production quality, the information, the narration, as well as how you left no stones unturned and no potential complaints unaddressed, this was one of the most incredible Automotive Journalism experiences ever. And the others are also videos of yours.

[@thatguyrob2dope128]

They did leave a stone unturned they didn't roll race

[@edgartrujillo1558]

@@thatguyrob2dope128 most likely the same outcome

[@monkeyshines11]

Incredible Automotive Journalism Experience, lol. It’s just a drag race.

[@mesniburek1652]

@@edgartrujillo1558 debatable... It would definitely be insanely close

[@moralobjection4836]

Yeah except they sandbagged the whole deal and tried to edit it out. Almost every demon 170 owner is coming forward to cut the video apart, and those of us who have challengers with track modes already knew the guy was racing in "auto" which in those cars is "economy mode". This was just paid promotion from lucid.

[@DroneStrike1776]

Everything stops when Cammisa drops a video.

[@vladymirvernet9003]

@@DroneStrike1776 literally

[@DrieStone]

I mean, he's the reason I'm a subscriber, and the marketing works. I switched over to Hagarty for insurance earlier this year. Happy to consider it payment for fun Cammisa content.

[@rac3rcr3w]

I used to watch him when he was on motor trend and when he left I stopped watching motor trend.

[@NWSanta]

Agreed, love the delivery and his videos!! All stop!

[@mmf9765]

@@DrieStoneinsurance ?

[@stacybehrens7152]

It’s kind of ridiculous that drag strips don’t use an overhead sensor to establish when the car starts moving. This is trivial and very mature technology.

[@RobertWill-uq3iv]

Reminds me of Ford claiming 200 m.p.h. for the GT 500 and nobody able to come close to that. Best Car and Driver could do was 189. You gotta fact check these guys!

It was track certified at just over 200 MPH.

[@CadaverIsDaddy]

you seem to be confused, the car is capable of well over 200, some of the fastest ive seen being 208 mostly stock and i say mostly stock because the gt500 isnt made for top speed nor does ford tune them for it, the top speed with factory tune is 180 ford purposely set and restricted this as top speed for optimal track performance usage, if you retune it or buy one with this tune not installed it is capable of 200+ ford does sell gt500 without this tune, most however are tuned to top out at 180

@@CadaverIsDaddy Car and Backseat Driver is not certified for speed testing. The car was clocked at just over 200 MPH on a five mile oval test facility with certified timing. Stop talking out of your ash.

[@BrendenPragasam]

The ironic thing is that drag races with these types of speeds and times were only for the hypercars 10 years ago... Now its the types of cars you see in everyday at stoplights in palo alto

[@emdotrod]

And it's become more affordable to more people!

[@revelare_xvii6269]

That’s what scares me.

[@JeremiBulakowski]

No way that's true, how can you explain that Dominic Toretto wanted a 10 second car otherwise?

[@LanguagesWithAndrew]

@@revelare_xvii6269 Yup, we're seeing a lot more accidents involving these types of vehicles now because they're much more available to the average moron who doesn't really know how to drive them, especially in the case of electric vehicles like Teslas. At least with Shelby Mustangs and Corvettes and what-not the driver was more likely to be of above-average skill because they were typically enthusiasts with experience in performance vehicles. That's become less and less the case.

[@LaczPro]

And that's straight-up scary

[@Tiffer_77]

Lucid is not joke. But the sound of the devil is priceless.

[@waferchapel]

I noticed two things you'll didn't do. 1: Change lanes, to see if one was better than the other. 2: Lower the tire pressure, in the Demon. Because, that was the launch conditions when Dodge set those times.

[@abelincoln3261]

An off the shelf EV takes it to a Super Car everytime

[@muffty1337]

I burst out laughing at the start of the first race. I was so surprised how ridiculously unfair it looked, that i couldn't contain myself. :D

[@dontrustwhiteyevery1]

Dodge is old tech.

[@brooklyndrumcompany]

same

[@rapu4]

Yeah, I couldn't do anything but laugh when I saw the first race. I saw a million comments on social media from those bizarre anti-EV people saying that this'll be the one to beat the EVs, that this'll be the redemption of the internal combustion engine. I expected the VHT to help a lot, and it did, but even with an extremely good driver, it's not close at all.

[@cblue3581]

@@dontrustwhiteyevery1 ICE is old tech...there fixed it for you

[@chrisl8527]

@@rapu4 look up Texas 2k quarter mile times. Those are all street cars but heavily modified.

[@vladimirmirkovic5314]

I sincerely hope that Hagerty realizes that you’re arrangement with them, is producing by far the best written and produced gear-head shows on KZbin. I actually wait with anticipation for every new show. Please keep up the fantastic work.

[@LifeExotics]

I love the Lucid. I'd take it any day over the demon. You spend so much time inside the car... quick and luxurious

[@jcstream1]

Your editor needs a raise!

[@antoineaaron3754]

That part

[@mrNorthernLightOfficial]

indeed!! :D full on editor flex! these guys make hollywood jealous

[@bigfamilyclubafrica9393]

definetely😂😂😂

[@xaxs101]

"There's never enough horsepower... just not enough traction." - Carroll Shelby

[@hassanger8128]

Both Dodge and BMW lie about their cars performance numbers, but they are totally lying in different directions.

[@gohamm8629]

@@xaxs101 don’t you mean “too much horsepower”?

[@abuamin1550]

@@hassanger8128 include Porsche as well!

[@Youtuber-k2p]

Shelby was never good at quotes, that makes zero sense. There’s always enough horsepower, just not enough traction. Makes sense.

[@g600f700]

so, say anything they want. The temperature, humidity, the UV too much, gravity... who is faster 1/4 mile or 0-60mph? That's it.

[@badbattleaxe5832]

The new 2025 Corvette ZR1 has joined the USA thousand horsepower club!

[@woodsguykevin]

Crazy that the Lucid is the same on regular asphalt and a treated dragstrip.

[@EwiniDkeib]

I never would have imagined that seeing a film of two incredibly fast American vehicles would teach me so much about drag strips.

[@n9athan]

9 second 1/4 mile in a car that handles like a dream and easily carries 5 people and luggage is insane.

[@aaronbateman8218]

@@n9athan so is the pricetag

[@n9athan]

@@aaronbateman8218 true, but so is any car that comes close in performance.

[@michaelscott-joynt3215]

@@n9athan Lucid Air Sapphire = $250,000 - 9.1 sec Dodge Demon 170 = $100,000 - 9.5 Tesla S Plaid = $81,500 - 9.3 This Sapphire was designed to beat the Tesla. It wins, but I think this is what you call pay to win.

[@jozefjozefczyk3936]

​@@michaelscott-joynt3215dodge demon 11.2s 1/4mile

[@user-yw7xo3rd4n]

That's Lucid for you. The engineers don't get the respect that they deserve

[@justpassingthrough3166]

ZR1 numbers were just released....1060+hp and twin turbos We're gonna need a 2.0 version of this comparison

[@TheWizardboy5]

refer to the video of the lucid beating a bugatti chiron with quad turbos and 1400+ horse

[@nero786]

It will be the same story. It won’t best the lucid. And it’s ok lol

[@justpassingthrough3166]

I don't care if the ZR1 loses. I just want to see a comparison. Electric cars will always be faster. But they have no soul. I've owned a Model S with the Ludicrous tune for about 6 months and it was incredibly fast....actually stupid fast. But I have way more fun in my C7 Z06. Even my tuned and deleted Cummins is more entertaining to drive with it's trailer on the back. But thats my opinion, doesn't mean its right, it's just how I see things.

[@chrisparish885]

The cinematography in these videos is absolutely nuts. So much fun to watch.

[@LaczPro]

I would've never guessed I would learn a lot about drag strips as well in a video of two superfast American cars.

[@kangarojack3814]

Kimbo gtr an frustrate civic a smoke that lucid on the street an the track 🤣

[@DBroggel]

​@@kangarojack3814 I think you forgot the part where it's stock, reliable, 5-seater, luxurious, comfortable and much more lol It's like saying someone did a 3.840 1/4mile. Cool story bob, but those ain't even remotely the same

[@mrb2349]

@@kangarojack3814 you losers always make the same claims. "My cousin built a 1996 Civic out of scraps for $3000 and it destroys Teslas in the quarter mile lol lol lmao lol" yet we never see these imaginary civics on the drag strip. And nothing cheaper than this Lucid can destroy it on the quarter mile AND do 15 runs back to back like it did. And your tuned up civic won't even run a half mile before complete engine failure, let alone do a track run.

[@Bearer_of-Light]

When the Lucid just straight pulled on the Dodge the only words I could say is exactly what Jason said... "Where the F*** did the dodge go!?!" Holy crap that Lucid is insane

[@mile_high_topher]

Keep in mind the Sapphire is a basically a Gen 3 iPhone, folks. The Demon 170 is the pinnacle of 100 years of American internal combustion technology, the Sapphire will be old news in five years when solid state batteries are on the road and they've figured out how to deliver more than 1234 hp worth of electricity continuously (the Sapphire's 3 motors can technically make a combined 1800+ hp, if they could only get the juice from the batteries to the motors).

[@jackryyn]

@@mile_high_topher u jus wanna hate bro wtf

[@elscorcho389]

@@jackryyn I read it as hate too but I think he's saying it in a positive way, like it's not even living up to its potential yet and it's still this crazy

[@mile_high_topher]

@@jackryyn Facts are facts, my man. Electric hypercars five years from now are gonna be 3000 pounds and 2000 hp.

[@tyler9703]

​@@jackryyn I didn't see it as hating, just stating reality 🤷

[@AkonGarraway]

Ok the rest of the video was great but that intro gave me goosebumps

[@the_wanderful_life]

All those Demon owners FUMING

[@forrestsautoreviewsofficial]

Yeah that Sapphire is absurd. 🤯 Also, I’d like to put in my request to meet Cammisa! Been watching you since early Motortrend days man! Massive fan!

[@sharpballer7751]

The editing in these videos is always top notch

[@thir13enthour]

I work for a company that makes machines that help make the Lucid. Went down there to check on our equipment a month ago. Amazing cars, amazing facility, just… wow. Everything about it is top notch from start to finish. It’s the only electric car that actually gets my mouth watering. Bravo to the entire Lucid team. Let’s just hope electric cars can finally become practical and viable in more real world scenarios other than driving around town. Ranges and charging times are absurd for people who drive more than 300 miles consistently. Nobody wants to wait around 3h to charge a car to go a claimed 350 miles that doesn’t even make 280 miles just to do it all over again…

[@pcgamingtvr]

The thing that makes these videos so good is the editing, the cars themselves are cool but the way they put it together makes it perfect

[@themogget8808]

Directing, editing, writing, planning, paperwork, camera work, knowledge of what the user base wants to see, network of contacts in the industry, etc.

[@upssidep9283]

Yes, the editing is by far the best on KZbin now.

[@rallyman1122]

Easily the best editing of any channel on KZbin. But it’s also how the editing is used to convey humour, to emphasize the point being made and to bring this channel several steps above most every other automotive channel n

[@PhilipBlank]

Agreed! They do incredible work

[@fj06carnone]

I wouldn't watch this video if It was about a boring topic. But i would still watch it with worse editing....

[@Fasteddie1085]

Someone tell the DUD 170 that Ricky Bobby said if you ain’t first you’re last …Murica 🇺🇸😂👍🏽

[@terrywhitlow2744]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Hell Naw Eddie

[@mykeljewell]

Haha Well he did learn it from his dad who was high at the time so he could be wrong

[@juniorjohnson670]

@@mykeljewellwho wrong … Ricky Bobby Neverrrrr 🇺🇸

[@mykeljewell]

@@juniorjohnson670 haha fair point what was I thinking

[@juniorjohnson670]

And to think all those guys went out and paid 100k over sticker the Milk DUD 170 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@mrbxv]

These videos always deliver. You give viewers exactly what they want and more. Educational and raw. More than a dozen runs to shut people up.

[@daenery2471]

"But ICE has better 1/4 miles" dawg 😭 this is INSANE.

[@DeathComesSwiftly]

Hard to watch that Demon just fall on its face right off the line.

[@Blaquer17]

With 15 runs, I'm sure Tom was giving it every trick in the book. It's not like he's new to this

[@DeathComesSwiftly]

@@Blaquer17 I didn’t critique the driver. You can just hear that car stumble off the line every time. The lucid is so fast that in those small moments of hesitation, that thing is so far ahead right away

[@Turshin]

California in the summertime isn't exactly the best case scenario for an ICE car.

[@det_tf2]

@@Turshin Then what is? Should they try drag racing on ice? I feel like that would be far worse for the ICE car lmao.

[@skierpage]

​@@Turshin cope cope cope

[@zollotech]

Love that they both exist and you get to choose what you prefer. The best of new and tech or top old school HP.

[@jacelcc]

Well, it zollotech!

[@michaelscott-joynt3215]

Lots of people build faster and better than the Demon in their own garages for $100K (or less), while at $250K this EV is as good as it gets. It's deceptive to strictly compare production models to make the EV look like ICE can't keep up. Marketing gimmick and great click bait though.

[@bobogto540i4]

@@michaelscott-joynt3215 True to a point. Even their leader board has quicker cars than the 170. But don't forget... It's entertainment. I rather watch and listen to the supercharger on this thing than any twinturbo anything. :) Could care less about the electric toaster. But it's quicker... blah, blah... I came here for the supercharger. :)

[@bobogto540i4]

If we are talking old school as an old Mercedes and a pushrod V8... Yes. But this is not the best and newest of the petrol engine world. Quite the opposite. Especially given the price tag of the microwave. But I agree. Glad they both exist.

[@mishobelev6924]

@@michaelscott-joynt3215 Did you miss the part where they said "production car"? It sounds like you might have

[@gregroles69]

Phenomenal video. The sound of the Demon is amazing, my next car will be supercharged.

[@dude...are-you-sure]

The acceleration of the lucid is incredible 😮 10:33 I have no idea what is being explained here... it makes no sense to my simple mind...😶

[@ActionHeinz]

The Lucid is unreal. You could have had your wife, mother, father, kids and dog on board together with two weeks of grocery shopping and it would still beat the fastest road legal production drag car on a prepped drag strip. That's insane. If I could, I would just take both.

[@lordbrain8867]

@@ActionHeinz and it can take a corner pretty well, while also maintaining a good range

[@Eamador3]

The cybertruckk can do the same thing

[@reidboggs4344]

@@Eamador3yeah but the Lucid actually looks good.

[@wruenvadam]

@@lordbrain8867 Oh and its brakes actually work more than once. I have been fawning over the Lucid Air Sapphire for a while. If I had it like that, I would certainly buy it hands down over the Tesla Model S Plaid. it is far more expensive sure, but it has the build quality to back it up and then some.

[@BigLoMayne]

@@Eamador3 You could do the same in any fast German sedan…. But there are levels to this.

[@philb707]

That Lucid Air straight up disrespected the Demon.

[@Charlesbjtown]

Ran out of his life 😭

[@CaptainKedah]

Bigtime 😂😂😂

[@glennthompson8322]

@@philb707 well said

[@moonsovermiami101]

The King is dead. Long live the King

[@philb707]

@@moonsovermiami101 still king sound wise, can't beat ICE sound

[@daneshj4013]

The first Lucid Air video was gold.

[@willr5372]

Can we just take a second to admire the cinematography here. The slow mo zoom in was some of the best I’ve ever seen.

[@turboaudi1100]

Such a good feeling to see a question answered so definitively and unbiased

[@DragTimes]

great runs, gotta get in the 8's!

[@tomrynkewicz7674]

@@DragTimes you need to buy one since your Plaid is slowing down right? Next to the Plaid it would still be the cheapest, quickest car out of all your cars and still carry 5 people and luggage not like all those exotic lambos,, Ferrari, etc that cost waaaaay more than the lucid.

[@larryc1616]

Gutted Plaid = 8's ⚡️🇺🇲 Do it brooks! 🙏

[@mtngritz]

Cammisa and Hagerty are national treasures...

[@G82Watts]

Cammisa sounds like a dude that got bullied in school. 😂 "national treasurers" u mean a channel and person that gets paid to make videos to push the EV narrative? Why do u think this vid is being debunked by demonology, butter da insider, and every other real car guys channel. Why do u think Jason got to be the first reviewer of the cyberdork?

[@techhorizonhd4534]

Give Your Editor a medal Again

[@NikoAbston]

When I was a kid in the 80s, I had poster of F40 and countach on my walls. Today those would be replaced with Sapphire, Taycan, e-tron and Ev6. I own a ev6 wind awd. It makes me smile every day and it’s not even the GT!!

[@mikelyon5595]

The rollout explanation was helpful!

[@robbyjai]

yeh i thought it was well explained.

[@thedarkenergist]

Mr. Esposito - You are a man of great talent. You've all done it again.

[@anthonyesposito4872]

It has more to do with practice than talent, but I’ll take that! In all seriousness, with the right crew everything falls into place.

[@Bmr4life]

The most comprehensive comparison ever and you will still have idiots doubting the results.

[@TheJoseUrena]

When i read the title, inmediatelly had some flashbacks of the Paris Olimpic Show...

[@juozasslavinskas]

give these guys all the money. they make the best car content not just on KZbin but ever. even better than top gear(widely considered the best)

[@turnersexplicit7912]

Absolutely

[@mrb2349]

Top Gear was always staged and fake. Everything about them was (and if they still exist, is) bogus.

[@coolmusic1684]

I think you have gone too far do you really know Jeremy Clarkson

[@mrb2349]

@@juozasslavinskas my comment disappeared somehow. It's okay I'll repost. Top Gear has always been completely fake and staged. Completely.

[@Dxeus]

The drama of launching a parachute at the end. 😅😅

[@haeikou]

And from only 230 km/h too. *Laughs in German*

[@Zanpaa]

It's a cool shot!

[@dubsessed9790]

Gotta stop that tank somehow. The lucid will just use it's brakes, like any other car 😂

[@Dxeus]

@@dubsessed9790 Lucid is 1000Lb heavier and faster than the Dodge.

[@theMelvinShow]

@@Dxeus ...and yet it doesn't need a parachute. Seems as if Dodge skimped on the brakes

[@w.branch1096]

Great job with the fairness of this comparison & while I'm not a Mopar guy, I'll admit I was rooting for the 170 at the Dragstrip for a 1/1 finish, but...

[@seanchernobyl2911]

Welcome to the FUTURE NOW!

[@-joe-davidson]

To be fair, a 2X4 started out as 2" X 4" but the lumber industry made them smaller over time to get more lumber from a log and the housing industry had no problem adjusting to the new size and it's still easier to say "2X4" than it is to say 1.5 X 3.5 .... You can still get authentic 2"X4" lumber if you want it. Some builders insist on it.

[@SpektrikMusic]

ahh yes only capitalistic america would accept 2x4 as 1.5x3.5 because corporations told them to

[@TheJohn8765]

I used to reno old houses (some were from the '20's). You have to rejigger your brain when framing off true sizes or you're going to have a bad day ;)

[@-joe-davidson]

@@TheJohn8765 You should be using correct lumber for reno.. You can still get true sized lumber. Honestly, it's not that much trouble to adjust. If you're struggling with it, that's on you.

[@crookedaxle]

Thank you Cliff Claven!🤣

[@MrPPunch69]

And that is another point why imperial measurement suck. 80mm x 40mm is ALWAYS 80mm x 40mm

[@KevinMay71]

The Sapphire just beat the Corvette E-Ray in the LIghtning Lap at VIR, too. The car is just insanely fast no matter where you run it.

[@G82Watts]

Taycan turbo gt is still the best all around performance EV u can buy. Also looks the best and has the best interior imo

[@YoungShul]

But how? I'm not against the turbo gt, but for the same money you get 3 more seats, more power, better handling (apparently) and its not even a whole lot slower around a track. Tons more luggage space as well. ​@G82Watts

[@C0lbyte]

@@YoungShul Yeah i am a Porsche fan big time but if i had the money the Lucid would be my daily and not the Porsche even though it looks better

[@mndlessdrwer]

​@@YoungShulyeah, if you're already in that price point and you want a daily that can thrash everything else on the road then you buy a Lucid Air Sapphire. If you just want to look cool and have something pretty to stare at, then you buy a Taycan. They're both great cars, but the Lucid is easier to live with.

[@goncaloaraujo6644]

@@G82Watts the yangwang u9 its just as good if not better. for 120k dollars. unfortunately its a china only car now. europe will soon get it

[@joserivas7935]

Loved the editing!! My hats off to the team. It was a great episode. That Demon got spanked so hard, I couldn’t just believe it. I thought for sure it would be a closer race when they went to the drag strip. Then they raced again….. then again…. Then again a few times over. Loved it!! I only wish they had brought out a true drag only race car to see how the Lucid would hold up against a purpose build drag racer.

[@plusRpm]

Jason being the kind of guy to test both on road and prepped is why i like his videos so much. No bs.

[@simonlamacraft378]

The best edumacation and entertainment comes from Jason Cammisa. What a pearler of an episode.

[@joshuamanayani2964]

That lucid is obnoxiously fast. Pair that with its near prodigious handling system (cammisa goes more in depth about that department in a carmudgeon show episode where he calls it the best handling car ever) and you get a car I desperately want.

[@user-tt6wm2pu6z]

He didn't say it was the best handling car, but it was an EV that responded to driver inputs flawlessly. His description of the Lucid Air Sapphire is the car was able to do exactly what he wanted to do to the point it felt like the car was reading his mind. This does not mean it can outdo a 911 GT3RS, but it does mean it's an amazing driver's car

[@mobiusflammel9372]

@@user-tt6wm2pu6z He says it's the best handling sedan, and says it may be the best-handling car outright. These are the opening words of his IG review: "Verdict Lucid Air Sapphire: the best-handling sedan in the history of the world. Or maybe the best-handling car, period. I've had three days to try to think of anything better, and I can't." He does go on to expand on his thoughts in the Carmudgeon episode focused on the Sapphire though, and explains what he means by best handling.

[@ARCNA442]

@@mobiusflammel9372 Has he driven the new Taycan Turbo S though? Somehow I doubt the Lucid is better handling than a Porsche that smashed the previous EV Nurburgring record while having less power than the Plaid.

[@larryc1616]

4680 Roadster = GAME OVER ⚡️ 🇺🇲

[@battlefield25]

I am more impressed with editing ❤

[@walker2006au]

I'm not really a muscle car fan but I'd still take the demon. EV are stupid quick but they are boring. Sound/gears/vibrations = engagement. I am glad in a way EV are smashing all these ICE it's helping people finally see there is much more to a car then it's acceleration. People instantly write off really fun cars that are low in power like the GR86 that are epic fun on a twisty road. Now maybe they might consider other factors then quarter mile times.. But some people are pretty simple so probably not 🤣

[@reoire843]

Yes. The Lucid is super fast, but its looks are bland and generic. The Demon looks cool and also the drama and noise of the engine is so much fun. Best of both worlds: have both :)

[@Sonfvirgin360]

They should have called it the Lucid Satan 😂

[@toddm9957]

@@Sonfvirgin360 lucid Lucifer

[@sooperburrito]

I think there's a Camaro build called "the Exorcist" lol

[@antoineaaron3754]

Demon Slayer😂😂

[@jsz2619]

@@antoineaaron3754 Demon fu..er

[@twsmith6598]

Exercist

[@TIoerSoec]

The editing is what really elevates these videos; while the automobiles are interesting, the way they were put together is flawless.

[@GrantWood.]

Some of the best car content on the internet 👏🏼👏🏼

[@larzlarz1140]

You guys should run a Tesla model X plaid. It would be #6 on your leaderboard and the only SUV in the top 20.

[@sangmoonkwon6394]

That Lucid is really insane

[@Jsk913]

@@sangmoonkwon6394 now imagine what you could do to the demon with that extra 150k.

[@tempest8600]

@@Jsk913 sell it

[@cre8tvedge]

@@Jsk913 It would still lose to the Lucid.

[@ProjectExMachina]

@@Jsk913 Now, imagine what could you do with Lucid if it was treated as a drag car instead of a limo

[@ct1762]

@@cre8tvedge if you think its loosing with a 2500hp built motor, i have a bridge to sell you

[@RazrThinblade]

If I could base my purchase of a vehicle solely on this video, the Lucid got it in the first 2 seconds of the first race. That launch was crazy!

[@kevinmiller7105]

As usual, amazing video, amazing editing. Thanks you for another one!!

[@MacNifty]

I like the video editing that how you jump in on the scene. Makes it totally different.

[@frenettaoneal2482]

There should be some type of award for best automotive content production. This is incredible

[@lucianomichel2236]

@@frenettaoneal2482 there is and Jason has already won it at least once in the last couple years. Look up the web awards !

[@ElectricGlider2016]

Again reminder that this is a full sized family sedan that is crushing this purpose-built drag car.

[@davidbaker2778]

@@ElectricGlider2016 one other thing to remember is it is limited heavily purpose built. There are people running 7’s at 170-180 mph in Hellcats that don’t have to meet California emissions standards. These are Hellcats with good enough manners to drive to work everyday. It can be done. Lots of boost and good fuel. Less restriction. It will never be possible to get the full potential and remain 50 state legal. I’m glad I live in a state that doesn’t test for any of that.

[@dylpickel8460]

@@ElectricGlider2016 yeah I love dodge challengers and they are one of my favorite cars but they need so much prep and arnt as good as people say they are. But they are still really good

[@ImJusSha]

Reminder that it’s literally an electric car awd and the demon needs more prep

[@cre8tvedge]

@@davidbaker2778 Your glad to be all in pollution and life killing warming? Wow.

[@whambodius]

@@davidbaker2778 Is there a tire company that makes a tire I don't know about that can handle 1000hp 7 second runs and drive to work everyday? Or has it become a norm to go run 7 second at the 1/4 and then change wheels and tires , adjust suspension and upload a different tune ? You seriously cant argue that a 7 second hellcat is even a decent daily driver. Whereas the sapphire is a true street , everyday car that also happens to basically obliterate anything on wheels. I'm all about sleepers and functional race cars but that is nonsense. I don't even like electric cars but nobody can deny sapphire is the ultimate daily to serve gapplebe's.

[@lazydays_77]

Id happily watch Cammisa & granny do a Huffy v BMX drag race. These are so solid, never stop

[@DoctaM3]

This is just CRAZY-- unreal

[@DenisKudlik]

does dodge have evidence of that 8.9? I think we'd all like to see it

[@SuvroSawon]

Fake evidence.. It can do 8.9 with modified 1500+ whp

[@DroneStrike1776]

To be fair, this was in Famosa. Famosa is known for it's terrible DA. I have a friend that goes there, he lives in Bakersfield. It's 600+ feet above sea level and the average DA of over 3000ft most of the time. Just for reference, you can search DA online and on 7/10/2024 at 4pm, Famosa had a DA of 4400ft about sea level. General rule is, for every 1000ft, a car loses 3% of it's power. To hit that 9.7 time, it was probably late in the evening when the DA dropped a little bit.

[@G82Watts]

Demonology video

[@ESL3023]

@@DroneStrike1776 that sounds like a lot of excuses

[@FierceNinja]

@@DroneStrike1776 well, not all cars, ev's dont care about altitude, thats why their ideal for the pikes peak runs

[@HJ-bz4vn]

Editing/Capture/Production is so good on these vids.

[@gilbertlabonte5095]

Quite frankly, i love the presentation on this, the humor is great and the theatrics are on point! Now that the praises are out of the way, lets get down to facts. A fuel burning engine can NEVER beat an electric engine on equal ground because simply put, the fuel burning engine needs to rev to produce torque, but the electric engine can and will produce all the torque you want from a standstill if you give it 100% of the battery power it requires to do so. In this case, the fact that the electric powered car had 4wd and the fuel engine car had only rwd biases the results even more and gave the clear win to the Lucid even before anything started. That being said, don't get me wrong... I still have my hair standing upright hearing that supercharger whine from the Dodge while the lucid impresses me but makes me yawn... I'll still take the smiles per gallon any day over the 3 quarter miles worth and you have to wait 4 hours to get back home. On top of that just for good measure, i still prefer the smell of race gas compared to heated electronics any day also, but that might be just me. A car or any vehicle is always about the driver and the experience, nobody actually gives a fudgesicle about the numbers unless they are buying a car for just... well, the numbers in their wallet. The real enthusiasts buy a car for the pleasure of driving and owning it, not for ink on paper and nothing else. Feel free to disagree with me, but i stand my ground and won't budge an inch no matter what you say. These things can't be quantified with just numbers and are a "user experience" type of deal no matter how people get heated about not wanting to have an open mind on things they don't like.

[@Dolby109]

Maybe EV's destroying everything in acceleration will make people see that there is more to driving enjoyment than raw power. Maybe people will realize there is a reason so many of us would rather have a slow manual ICE car that is good sounding than something fast but soulless.

[@m_ism]

I agree, but at the same time I would also rather have a completely silent Tesla that can hit 0-60 in under 4s than have a 00-10s shitbox that's just loud for loudness's sake without actually having the performance to back the noise up.

[@Dolby109]

@@m_ism Well I don't want just loudness, but a little volume is good as long as the engine sounds ok (most N/A I4's don't without a very good exhaust, but they can through loud induction noise). But I would rather have say a cheap Boxster that is relatively slow but sounds great (flat-6) and is manual than a Tesla that is much faster.

[@mattheishman8435]

@@Dolby109 there’s demon 170s doing 8 second quarter miles. Look it up. EV is far from the fastest

[@Jessay]

@@mattheishman8435 where? i see 8.99, plaid still has it beat

[@adityachampawat1414]

Was rooting for the 170 but damn that Lucid is fast!

[@MaticTheProto]

The demon sounds worse than the lucid lol

[@DuBstep115]

@@MaticTheProto I love murican V8 but demon is one of the worst sounding V8s there are. 1. Old big blocks 2. GT350 3. 3 valve 4.6L Mustang 4. LS7 5. Demon

[@HansBelphegor]

​​@@DuBstep115 the 392 sounds great but that whine from the supercharger is not good. My 426 from 65 sounds as good as a new 392

[@drunkpolack7612]

@@MaticTheProto lead poisoning got to this boomer fs

[@MaticTheProto]

@@drunkpolack7612 ???

[@EvolvedCasualGamer_HM]

The videos you roll out are just so high quality and your explanation of how the drag race lighting system or laser system works was very educational. Very high quality content.

[@rickkay9548]

My god that dodge got absolutely rekkt in every possible manner. There are zero excuses here. Zero backpedaling or whining. This was the azzwhoooin heard around the earth.

[@hillbillyprepper6849]

Amazing production quality on this video. Great job!

[@blablah538]

Jason and Haggerty have quickly become the yardstick for auto video journalism. Bay Area pride

[@mattsoares608]

The only automotive Journalist that has ever been better then Jason Cammisa... is Jeremy Clarkson. But damn is it close.

[@lynncowan9864]

@@mattsoares608 I say it all the time, Jason is THE Clarkson of the USA - better in some ways, as he actually comprehends the nuts and bolts.

[@blablah538]

@@lynncowan9864 and besides seeming less scripted and not just loving the sound of his own voice, Jason anticipates viewer interests, like immediately comparing limit handling with competitors a viewer might be cross shopping. I find myself of pausing much less during his content because he rolls right into obvious question tangents

[@hduncan2587]

Absolutely, except for "Bay Area pride." Can't give the Bay Area the pride, though. Living there currently isn't the same as his growing up/being raised/influenced. That's like saying Los Angeles Pride for Magnus Walker. Jason's not a product of the Bay Area (and Hagerty is based out of Michigan), though it's cool to see something more local (same with content from the Zygrene channel).

[@hduncan2587]

​@@lynncowan9864 Nah, not Clarkson. Jason is the American Chris Harris. Clarkson was always more about funny and biased analogies charged with much more ego, and didn't have the skill and precision to actually articulate what a car was actually like to drive... going back and watching old Top Gear and such, yes, I love it, but it's a totally different class of automotive enjoyment. Top Gear was about the trips, the cheap car challenges, and humor than anything genuinely factual. Since then, reviewers like Cammisa, Harris, Catchpole, Savage Geese, Throttle House-- people who actually get in and have a discussion because they have a better medium to work with, rather than being shoved into a TV platform that MUST appeal to EVERYONE or else it gets canned: KZbin lets us choose what we want to watch, skip, etc. far easier than a TV platform ever could. I mean... a decade after really doing much, I still bump into people who recognize my Toyota Echo (it's really funny to think about people getting excited to meet a guy in a Toyota Echo, I know, and that was when it was a lot less interesting) but that's exactly what KZbin was about. But it does suck that they limited the revenue possibilities, making it yet another scramble for popularity ("smash that like and subscribe"). Removed some of the motivation for a lot of folks.

[@terrytexas8257]

Jason looking in his drivers side mirror off the line says it all!

[@blaketindle4703]

It was so nice of Senator John Fetterman to stop by with his Demon 170!

[@abelincoln3261]

Consider the AWD EV can also manage turns the Challenger can't... So on a figure 8 track thevEB would tear the ICE to pieces...