Tesla Model 3 SUB-ZERO Range Test: We All Know That EV Range Is Bad In The Cold...But THIS Bad!

[@bruceklassen8261]

Yuuuusssss real test Thank you 🙏

[@TFLEV]

You're welcome!!

[@supraman321na4]

​​@@TFLEVyeah, great job 👍, the media is blatantly lying about what it is like to own these cars, if you know the basics and have common sense there is 0 issues in reality. I feel like that news story in Chicago should have been titled "Least competent EV owners descend on supercharger location for unintended car meet".

[@oldbloke204]

@@supraman321na4 So zero issues except for that if it's very cold you may not be able to recharge them? How about in Canada where one place was asking people to cut their power usage, including charging EVs, due to the risk of grid failure? Imagine if you could have a vehicle where you didn't have to pay a premium to have functionality without all of these compromises. Oh hang on..........

[@supraman321na4]

@@oldbloke204 Yeah, 0 issues at 2 degrees fahrenheit, it is not true that you can't charge, the people they picked to interview have no idea what they are doing or how anything regarding an EV works. There are no significant issues if you have a working knowledge of the vehicle and how to prepare for the weather, just like every other vehicle in the world. The people we are talking about here are the same ignorant people that would run their vehicle out of gas in their ICE vehicles and they would just be parked on the side of a highway all over or driving on bald tires in the winter, etc.

[@Desmog]

It's a real test because he left the car in the frozen weather overnight, right? And then proceeded to take it for a range test. That's what a typical driver would do! Bravo 👏 Not to mention that the vehicle was not preconditioned. Anyway, I guess it's good for the algorithm

[@nukedogger86]

Being a Minnesotan my entire life, this resonates. A 300 mile range EV = 150 half the year. I can still easily get 300 miles out of my gas car in the dead of winter, and it only takes five minutes to fill vs however long at a charger, if it even works.

[@socialseahawksfan9325]

They suck in hot summers too. My acura rl gets near 500 miles per tank. I owned a lightening but sold it for a 20k profit last year when silly people were overpaying for them. My best range on it though with a full charge was 200 miles. Not a practical technology unless you never need to travel more than 150 miles.

[@xcalibertrekker6693]

And 300 is ideal conditions, no load and best cruising speed. Very poor range to begin with.

[@Mike-01234]

Battery range isn't there yet will be in a few years. New technology is right around the corner they made lot of progress over the years. I'll buy one when the range hits 500 miles.

[@IFLYBELL]

As a felow Minnesotan I totally agree. Last week when we were at -6 deg outside, I laughed thinking about all the EV's out there stuggling. I spent 10 minutes at the gas station and said "yep, my 2018 Ford Taurus is good for another 400 miles and I'm not restricked on how much heat I need. lol

[@nukedogger86]

​@IFLYBELL and this winter has been mild... normally we have some -15 or worse for a week straight. Even some -30s.

[@rexseven6907]

Xmas day last year, I flew into Minneapolis after a week in Costa Rica. It was 9pm, 0⁰ and had been cold and snowing all week. I rode the shuttle to the park and stay hotel that my car was parked at. It was a 2010 VW CC with 275,000 miles and it had the full tank of gas I left it with. I swept off some snow and started it right up. I drove it to the lobby and loaded all my stuff while it warmed a bit. I then drove 300 miles home, no stops, and arrived with about 200 miles "range" left. You can't spend enough money to buy an EV that can do that.

[@Devilishlybenevolent]

Yeah, I fully support EVs but you need ideal conditions to drive one. Definitely wouldn't own one in a place that snowed.

[@johngoff8923]

Hmm leaves a lot of unanswered questions . . . . . . .

[@rogerrussell9544]

@@johngoff8923 Why not ask him how long it took to fuel up, and the fill rate at the pump?

[@erich9779]

No gasoline car has 500 miles a tank unless ur a truck. So your story is a liar

[@rogerrussell9544]

@@erich9779 My Ram 1500 has a 22 gallon tank and gets about 25 on the highway. I regularly go further than 450 miles on a tank.

[@bettymaverick1098]

Hertz is selling 20,000 Model 3's for about $26,000. You will have some competition. I am sure your 3 is in much better shape.

[@vxnova1]

Hertz cars are 3 years old with about 90k miles on them. They are 40k. New and not sure if they qualify for the 7500 rebate, For 90k miles that’s not bad depreciation,

[@RobbieHerrera]

I think most of Hertz’s cars are Standard Range or Standard Range Plus RWD. TFL’s price should be in the ballpark based on battery size and AWD.

[@Flydevice1]

Hertzs model 3s are standard range rwd, you can charge it to 100% all the time without hurting the battery which will most renters do anyways.

[@carlosdonestevez7532]

Ok, now let's see how a different company ev compares with snow tires and the same conditions.

[@jezza6575]

@51ABBS! Most of them were Uber rentals for close to 100k miles on them…quit with the lies!

[@inkwellunderground3746]

Well, I was born in the 80s so we all learned this when we would get our favorite remote control cars on Christmas and then try to go outside and play with them in the snow for all of seven minutes

[@joeygarcia4277]

LOL! This just happened to me as a 28 year old man this past christmas

[@oldblueaccord2629]

I remember some winters in the 1970's it take two batteries to start a car. We finally went with plug in heaters.

[@JDR8]

Haha yes! And to think all these years later, liberals still haven't been able to figure it out!

[@TheRealFoonus]

Todays EV's are the motorola flip phones of 2024.. you'd need to carry a spare battery just like you need a generator with a tank of gas in the back of the EV.

[@bigbird3420]

Lithium battery's were made in 78 and not in production until the 90s early 2000s sooo your lead acid battery was made in 1860s... congratulations on basing your experience on 1800s technology.... wait until the new solid state batteries come out that are 30% better than lithium... I think in the 80s you only got like 6-10 mpg as well....

[@jkholley1118]

Its refreshing to finally starting to see honest reviews of EVs out in the wild.

[@pyotrberia9741]

The dishonesty of most EV enthusiasts is counter-productive. It will lead to a backlash once normal car buyers realize they were deceived, and slow the transition.

[@lloydfox5752]

@@pyotrberia9741 We already know.

[@practicalguy973]

Its interesting to see videos claiming to be honest, I just watched Out of spec reviews video called I'm Stuck In Traffic In An EV & It’s Freezing! How Long Can The Car Last Before I Run Out Of Charge and he showed a very minimal range loss. It was a simulation but I dont think it was an honest/realistic video, TFL did a better real world example of EV issues in the cold.

[@Clearanceman2]

Yeah EVs themselves are already slowing the "transition" enough on their own. @@pyotrberia9741

[@brandyfuller2455]

I mean its not like gas cars dont have this issue. Cant start it if your 12v lead acid battery freezes. Im in denver and we had plenty of people who drive gas cars that couldnt make it to work because of frozen batteries. I have a subaru and my husband has a leaf, he has a longer commute and when it gets this cold we trade. Despite the cold (there was ice under the dash cover) I still made it to work and back without issue, he wouldn’t have with his commute, but thats why we swapped cars. I think people forget its a different technology and thus has different strengths and weaknesses. At the end of the day you have to prep accordingly, if you have an EV or ICE vehicle.

[@extramile150]

Excellent post. Potential consumers need this type of info if they live in cold climate states. Well-done.

[@franknew9001]

This is another reason to keep driving my reliable 2002 Lincoln Town Car that has been my daily driver since 2007. It is 22 years old with 124k miles on it, and it hasn't lost any "range." When it was new it had a rating of 23 mpg on the highway. In December, I drove it 815 miles from Maryland to Florida, and got 23.7 mpg. When I left Maryland, it was 22 degrees F, and I had to let the car warm up for about five minutes as the windows were covered in ice and frost. When I got back into the car to leave, it was so warm inside the car that I immediately took off my hat and heavy coat. Granted, it wasn't as nearly as cold in Maryland as it was in Denver, but I noticed that after driving more than two hours in the Tesla, Tommy never took off his hat or coat. It must have still been chilly inside that car. My car doesn't lose any "range" when I turn the heat on.

[@Sasoon2006]

Of course it is warm since you car has heat as byproduct. Look at it this way, you got 23.7 mpg. One gallon of gas is equivalent to 33.7kWh. With two gallons of gas you do 47.4 miles, and that is 67.4kWh. Tesla did in -3F in worst conditions 158 miles with 66kWh. Still more than 3 times more efficient than you gas car.

[@franknew9001]

@Sasoon2006-- I agree that my Lincoln isn't the most fuel efficient vehicle out there, but I don't mind spending a few extra dollars on gas. Almost half the miles that I drive are on the highway, and it is a great car on long trips. It has a huge trunk, which I need when I travel. If I had an EV, I would probably be spending much more on public charging than on gas, plus the extra time waiting for it to charge. In talking to some EV owners, they say that it is much more expensive to use a public charger, than it is to charge from home.

[@henryjoshual1848]

@@Sasoon2006 You can celebrate the Tesla's superior efficiency when you're stranded on the hwy 50 miles from home in freezing weather at night.....

[@WeeShoeyDugless]

​@@Sasoon2006 What use is that if you can't use your tesla, as in the Chicago debacle? ICE vehicles just GO!!

[@TheCharleseye]

​@@Sasoon2006 And? My Suburban is less efficient than his Lincoln. My conversion van is less efficient than my Suburban. So what? They both have 31 gallon tanks and I have an endless supply of gas stations to choose from. My tanks fill in about five minutes and - unlike your charging stations - every gas station I use is also a convenience store, with bathrooms, that takes cash. When someone chugging along in a beat up '78 Buick has a better experience during their pit stops than someone driving a $70,000 Tesla...there's something fundamentally wrong with your infrastructure.

[@JaimeBrandonM]

I drove from Dallas TX to Lubbock TX while the weather was 10 Degrees Fahrenheit. The range was TERRIBLE, I almost got stranded in the middle of rural Texas and when I made it to the supercharger there were THREE teslas getting towed to the supercharger because their range estimates weren't even close to actual. As for me the car estimated I'd make it to my destination with 30% battery(Model Y LR), I got there with 2 miles left....

[@YachtsOnTheReg7]

Totally unsafe

[@drn13355]

If anything he is saying is true. I believe about 1% of what I read on here. @@YachtsOnTheReg7

[@quercus5398]

Panic and stress.........who needs it?

[@bukboefidun9096]

Not buying one. Ever. 2% left? Yeah that's safe for everyone. I realize this is your test. Most people get very anxious at 1/8th of a tank... or about 12%. Based on that you have about 18 miles left. In a regular car 1/8th even in low mileage situations like this it is 2 gallons or 40 miles remaining. There will be multiple gas stations providing a 5 minute fillup.. you have very few options at a 30 minute fill up. Huummmm

[@tonypham9220]

That’s what you get for buying a ev 😂

[@coyote23b]

The range anxiety in the cold like that would be terrible. Can't imagine running out of change in -2 degrees.

[@TheCharleseye]

Let's be honest, when the first Teslas came out with low-resistance Summer tires, they weren't just trying to maximize range. These things are meant to be second or third vehicles that you drive when it's nice outside. That's it. People keep trying to use them like real cars but they're not.

[@mattmurphy8845]

​@@TheCharleseye I use my (non-Tesla) EV everyday like a real car year round in icy cold New England. Do I need to be more thoughtful about where I want to go tomorrow? Yes. Is that outweighed by how much I love my car? Yes. If you're using an EV every day to get to work and run errands, etc, and charging at home when needed, there is no range anxiety. If you have a long commute in cold weather and unpredictable charging options, then an EV isn't a good choice.

[@PavelKrupets]

@@TheCharleseyenope, you can use it as main car. over pumped tires are to boast higher range. less rolling resistance

[@TheCharleseye]

@@mattmurphy8845 Thank you for supporting my statement. EVs can't replace real cars. It's like trying to replace Dewalt tools with Walmart tools. Sure, they'll do fine for a lot of people who really don't use them for much, but those who need the real deal are going to be stuck if they use the play toy version. My 70-year-old mother loves her Black & Decker drill because she never does anything that requires more than an electric screwdriver. You won't see B&D on a jobsite and you're not gonna see a whole lot of EVs in large swaths of the US. They're really more of a European solution, where a "long drive" is the couple of hours it takes to get from London, England to Paris, France. I'm glad your EV is good enough to hang pictures in your hallway. If you'll excuse me, I've got a deck to build.

[@mattmurphy8845]

My EV replaced my old "real car." It sounds like an EV doesn't work for you, but that doesn't mean they don't work. @@TheCharleseye

[@MrMalchore]

I live in Minnesota and yeaaaaaaahh...I wondered about winter driving conditions, so I for one GREATLY appreciate this kind of real-world information.

[@gentronseven]

yeah, it pretty much rules out a Tesla as a vehicle if you live in the north central US, it's at best a summer vehicle, I'm not even sure they can fix this issue any time soon.

[@xpavar]

@@gentronseven Not until new battery tech is perfected and available.

[@gentronseven]

​@xpavar yeah I'm just skeptical as to there being battery tech capable of fixing it since stored chemical energy will always be inefficient at lower temperatures, heating the batteries will drain them, the problem got worse as he drove in the cold so residual heating wasn't enough etc. It's not clear there's a way to fix it unless capacity gets much higher

[@evolv.e]

Plenty of Teslas driving around in upstate New York, Chicago, Massachusetts in the winter. You know what else I also see each day? Plenty of gas vehicles broken down on the side of the road. More energy is needed to heat a battery and cabin in the winter. That’s common sense. Just account for this and you’re fine. Our family have an 11 yr old EV, a 10 yr old EV, and a 9 yr old EV, each get driven year round, and none of them have ever been stranded or ran out of energy. We understand that more energy is used when it’s cold. It’s as simple as that. As long as you’re paying attention to your fuel gauge and understand that different climates affect fuel usage, just as one should do with a gas car as well, there shouldn’t be ever any problem with running out. It’s not rocket science.

[@gentronseven]

​@evolv.e it's 10 degrees colder where I live on average than in Chicago, it's almost 0F every day for 3 months on average, I could have a tesla but for $40k it'd have to be my only car, if I had to drive 100 miles for some reason I wouldn't be able to, and where I live that's also commonly a need.

[@ShadowzKiller]

I live in Finland. We recently had a nice cold week of -30C or -22F everyday. My car is parked outside all day. Still get 600km+ out of my diesel car at a full tank in a blizzard while using studded tires, which have more drag than all season tires. Some cars like mine have a separate engine heater (Webasto) which helps to keep the battery from dying and it uses the diesel as fuel. Diesel is king in the cold north.

[@The81titans]

You sound like all the snow dogs owners that cried when they said just use diesel.

[@TheHenirik]

diesel doesnt handle the cold like petrol does, luckily scandinavia has special winter diesel, but it happens that someone fueled their car in europe or mostly had it sitting since summer, then the diesel is like butter in the tank and all your fuel lines if its cold.

[@ShadowzKiller]

@@TheHenirik Ah yes, i forget to mention that we do have special winter diesel.

[@sferg9582]

There's this very large screen in front of the driver displaying all of this information about the battery, remaining charge, outside temperature, suggestions to save battery life...... but you must not ever be distracted using your cell phone...... SMH!

[@michaeld5888]

But then not in front with what is standard with a screen behind the steering wheel, which is extraordinary considering many ICE cars half the price of this will have them. These cars are really spartan and cut back considering the luxury sector pricing. Looking sideways on to a big screen with so much on it finding the item you want is a massive distraction which I rarely do. The entry price in the UK for a Tesla is a dogged £40,000 which massive unaffordable price which seems unaffected by all the price cut announcements. It is difficult to fathom the appeal of these vehicles except as a possibly fun hobby if you have plenty of cash to spare and want to test yourselves in a real time range game.

[@bitcoinski]

That Front HUD Panel is HIDEOUS! It's 2024 TESLA...c'mon man. Seriously, the interior dash is ugly.

[@mnolanco5599]

I live near you guys and had two Polestar2 demo’s and would never get the range. Had the stock tires and did a trip to DIA which was 40 miles each way at 10 degrees and used 160 miles of range. I preconditioned the battery before that drive. Unfortunately the Polestar would never take more than 50KWh charge at the EV America chargers when they worked at the Walmart on 66 in Longmont so charging times were long. Car was good in the snow as it was AWD and heavy due to the battery. Anytime I would take the Polestar on the highway at 75-80MPH the range would drop dramatically no matter the temperatures. Good test you guys did here!

[@jkarra2334]

its just simple math, as most ev owners lack basic knowledge of hiw much drag rises up when you speed up like 50 to 80... same applies in some extension on ICE cars too, as air resistance is not linear, its logarythmic, in most cases most economical speed is somewhere 55-70 depending on cars own air resitance.... My Volvo V70 diesel can do 55 on highway at 60mpg (4l/100km) but as soon as you top up the speed to 75mph you use 1/4gl. more, (5l+/100km)

[@mnolanco5599]

@@jkarra2334 I hear ya but simple math does not alway come to the surface when people emotions get involved. Just like common sense is not common😀. We had a Q5 diesel and loved that car, so much power and great drive ability with great mileage. Only 214 HP but 428 ft lbs torque which was fantastic. Buyer shop horsepower but buy torque even though most only look at HP.

[@markburton8303]

@@jkarra2334 I'd argue that EV owners know more about drag that 'gas' car owners. It's simple physics, gas cars use more fuel too, it's just that it's more convenient to fill them with fuel and owners never think about it - until it's 50 miles until the nearest fuel station and your car says you have 45 mile range........

[@jkarra2334]

@@markburton8303 gasoline you can easily fit few gallons on trunk with Jerry cans,😁 i always have extra gallon on my every car... Do same with EV ? Besides, My "old" 2016 V70 Volvo does 1300km with one fillup (800 Miles) , Volvo warning message suggests refilling at 120-130km left(70-80 Miles) EV's Area biggest scam in auto industry, here in Scandinavia with decent freezing temperature EV's like Tesla can easily spend 30+ (Even up to 40 )kW /100km (60 Miles) range becomes abysmal, you see these EV clowns driving underspeed and freezing without heating as they try to save few photons EF electricity🤣

[@markburton7952]

I've got friends that live in Finland and their ice car is plugged in so the block doesn't freeze and it starts in the morning. Big tanks on Volvo's.

[@diymadness2330]

I performed the same test in NYC with the recent deep freeze in a BRAND NEW Model X (300miles). Same climate settings @70F but also Preconditioned INTERIOR temps. From 100% to 8% and got a whopping 138 Miles. Most snow accumulation was rated at 1 inches.

[@icare7151]

In the Summer with factory tires the range “still isn’t even close to the EPA estimate” indicates a battery issue or other problem such as a wheel bearing dragging. Apparently Tesla has been receiving lower quality lithium and other low raw materials used in their batteries which has been affecting range and longevity. Tesla engineers absolutely need to sort out the Summer time use low range issue.

[@m14speeder]

The range of my gas-powered Toyota also decreases in winter in Michigan where I live. It drops from about 480 miles to about 430 miles.

[@QCJSiteB]

My Honda Insight gets me 500 mile range, and I actually hit that per tank. Fill ups are comically quick as I have little a 10 gallon tank (I'm always done filling up before anyone else at the gas station). My car only cost me 21k used. Tires are much cheaper and last longer than EVs, as do brake pads, and cold while it affects my range, doesn't affect it THIS bad. I may go from 65mpg to 50-55mpg. Why would I want one of these things, again?

[@Toyeboy89]

Sounds like my Prius C but when I fill up I can only fit 8 gallons in the tank so it’s like 1 minute.

[@Token_Civilian]

Great vid. This just reinforces why I prefer my traditional hybrid vs an EV. I don't have to use 5% of my fuel to get the thing ready to refuel (preconditioning). I don't lose 3% of my fuel being parked overnight in cold weather (was that the battery warmers keeping them from freezing?). It also takes well under 5 minutes to load 12 gallons get approximately 450 to 500 miles of range. Let's see.....500 miles / (5 min / 60 min per hr) = 6000 miles / hour minimum 'recharge' rate. In extreme driving conditions like you had for this test, I can also have a 'range extender' aka gas can to eliminate any range anxiety. EV's are, IMO, fine as a 2nd car "around town", but for a person who can only afford 1 vehicle, they just aren't up to snuff yet.

[@AlexanderGeorge]

Agree on every point. EV can be a second car to drive sometimes during summer. So basically for the upper middle class and above.

[@777jrg]

Never lost 1% during the night let alone 3%. I often leave the car at the airport for 8 days at a time and I only lose 2% max during that time.

[@safeandeffectivelol]

@@777jrg Are you in Canada or way up north? Even a phone will lose charge just sitting there for a week.

[@SteveHulshof]

I left my Tesla at airport in Canada for 5 days with temps ranging 5F to -5F. I lost 2% IF you have ability to charge at home you can also precondition the battery to drive it. Honestly for day to day for “most” people the range lost in winter is a non issue. I can see it being an issue for some and those folks should avoid EV if they don’t want to be super charging all the time.

[@ianrobertson3419]

A person who lives in the city and drives 15km a day doesn't need a diesel f250. A retired couple who are constantly towing a 35ft RV across the entire country don't need an ev. You only need a vehicle that suits you. You don't have to worry so much about what other people want to do. If they want an ev and it suits their needs, there is no good reason not to.

[@stevemiro731]

I have been driving an ev for 4 years. I live at 7200 feet in the mountains in northern Utah. It seems like I loose 40-50% of my range in the winter. Maybe on a good day I can only have a 30% reduction. Great test :)

[@ragmanintx]

Truly the range sucks. Absolutely sucks. Need to see that double before I will even think about it.

[@dennislaughton1676]

Early January in Alberta we had temps in the negative 40s . That would be an extreme cold test.

[@MEdGrant]

You should have tried that up here in Alberta this past week…we were running consistant -30C with night time to -40C. And!….the electricity grid operator was telling us not to charge electric cars because the system was in overload and dangerously close to rolling blackouts. (One morning I checked and the windchill temperature was -63F!) Sorry, never was in favour of electric cars and believe that hybrid is the way to go if you must change from a gas guzzler. Of course, IC vehicles are starting to get some pretty good mileage in recent years. People just never clued in on how much energy is packed into a tank of gasoline. Oh...and tires? I use Cross Climate II for a summer and shoulder season tire; nothing but X-Ice for a winter tire. There IS a big difference in the amount of traction you get.

[@yia01]

for sure up there u need true winter tire, for us cali folk, we have summer tire for summer then all season tire for fall to spring.

[@jessebrook1688]

As an Albertan, I think the only problem with hybrids for most Albertans is that they're not 1-ton trucks. Fix that, and adoption will definitely increase here, especially if they can tow. Otherwise, we're going to remain the place where EV and hybrid drivers can expect a dusting of diesel soot.

[@Ryan-093]

​@jessebrook1688 need those 1-tons when you venture out from your suburb style neighbourhood to the grocery store! 😂

[@Ryan-093]

and to top it off Danielle Smith just put a moratorium on private renewable energy projects several months ago. braindead.

[@PavelKrupets]

oil will run out folks, and all hybrids tech is a band aid.

[@zeej80]

My lord-it got down to 35° last night here in Florida,& I almost got frostbite! I cannot imagine -3°!!! I tip my hat to you all up there, stay safe & warm!

[@tomrakusan1179]

My Uber driver with a Model 3 said it took one hour and 45 minutes to charge it a few days ago when it was 15F in the morning…………never mind.

[@OldCanadianguy953]

I’m sure the purveyors of these monstrosities fully tested and KNEW of every one of these shortcomings yet proceeded to push them on the marketplace.

[@starman6280]

Thank the left. This is being pushed by elites in government. The market does not want this EV stupidity. It is about money, power and control.

[@EJBert]

Interesting, that range would scare me in a cold weather climate.

[@justinbenjamin4651]

yea no kidding, especially considering actual cold climates like WY, MT, ND, and MN have huge stretches with nothing and especially no EV chargers

[@JS-nd1po]

I live in MN, you couldn’t pay me to buy an EV of any kind here. I have a hybrid that does pretty well. Which I believe hybrids are the way to go anyways over full EV.

[@EJBert]

Fully agree, I did the same.@@JS-nd1po

[@MH-Tesla]

As a Tesla owner, I've never had an issue in sub zero temps. I didn't lose anywhere near 50%. Maybe 18%. But you realize diesel and gasoline vehicles lose range too. Especially if the show is deep and unplowed on the streets.

[@EJBert]

Agreed when the engine is cold but once the engine warms up you regain most of the mileage, EVs not so much.@@MH-Tesla

[@forcadesignllc5611]

-15 here before bed 407 mile range. woke up -2, 407 mile range. oh that's right ICE. nvm

[@craigrmeyer]

160 miles instead of 270 - so ~40% less than typical - at -3 degrees F / -19 degrees C.

[@mcbridem2045]

Only if the driver leaves it outside, has those tires, drives at 70, set it to 70 inside. It makes for a great video, but easily avoidable if you plug-it-in as most EV buyers know how to do. My old ICE vehicles would lose 10 to 15% with those type of tires, some did not start at those temps, so not an EV only problem.

[@evolv.e]

@@mcbridem2045agree. Noticeable range and efficiency advantage noticed when we garage our EV’s vs leaving them outside overnight in the winter.

[@tjwatson0403]

Considering this is absolute worst case scenario and can still drive for 3 hours, that's not bad

[@michaeltutty1540]

​@@tjwatson0403I would say not good. My 2004 Toyota Carolla is running Nokian Haakappilliitta R5 winter tires. I have no choice but to park outside, and no access to power for a charger. Last week we had a day similar to the conditions in this test. My old car started on the first turn of the key. The heater is so good I did not need a parka for warmth. The car still had over 250 miles of range on the highway. So much easier.

[@wayward03]

@@evolv.e That's great when you leave your house, not so much if you come back from the airport, or idk go to work.

[@tomhiggins875]

Since I live in the Chicago suburbs in an apartment without on-site charging and we are a 1 car household, a Tesla is of no use to me. Your video proves that to me. Thanks!

[@johnh4973]

Exactly, and the many news stories of charging lots full of dead Teslas that couldn't charge in the cold up there proves your point!

[@quantumIO]

What's not being talked about is how taking your battery down to zero and charging in these conditions is basically destroying your battery pack

[@robertkubrick3738]

Those are the usual used tesla market and the reason for the depreciation/lack of buyers.

[@tomdy69]

How, exactly? Hint, the car won't let you "destroy" the battery pack.

[@tjmmcd1]

Bottom line summary In -3 degree temps, on a full charge and in snowy conditions, the Tesla's range was reduced by about 40%. No mention about what took place in Chicago on the same day this video was posted, where sub zero temps caused EV charging stations to fail, leaving multiple EV owners stranded outside in freezing temps.

[@chrishogan8125]

They let their batteries get too low, and didn't precondition the batteries prior to charging.........I plug mine into 120v at home, and where the car definitely drains quicker, I've never been in that situation, and I live in Canada. Bad EV news always seems to be front and center..!?

[@nathanexplosion5478]

Bad news on EVs needs to be front and center so consumers are fully informed when making their choices. They’re not the zero carbon emission heaven they’re otherwise made out to be.

[@chrishogan8125]

@@nathanexplosion5478 Meh, gas powered cars don't always start in cold conditions, but you don't see that all over the news every day it's cold......this is just BS propaganda, putting one technology under an unfair microscope for political gain!

[@cayminlast]

Thanks for doing a realistic and honest test to demonstrate the challenges of an EV in cold weather. A convincing argument to stick with an ICE vehicle.

[@grazz7865]

I will never buy a car that will GUARANTEE to cost me a mere $20,000 at some point just to change a battery! My Nissan gave me an average of 3-5 years for my battery. I got 8 years out of it-lucky I guess. Costed me $220 at autozone-I didn’t have to bring it to a dealer! My wife did even better. She got 10 years out of a battery for a 2013 smart car. We just changed the battery for the first time a few months ago for the same $220.

[@garyalleccia2793]

Seems like an awful lot of hassle just to love an EV. I'll hang on to my gas powered Tahoe. Best of luck with range anxiety.

[@infernoking7504]

My 1995 f150 with ford 300 may not be good on gas but starts up everytime even in -20 when other vehicles won't.

[@daryl9799]

Buddy pretty much any new vehicle with a good battery will start in pretty extreme weather no need to glorify your 95 😂.

[@infernoking7504]

@@daryl9799 not that ive seen also there new of course they should mine is a original engine with 280k miles I wanna see a modern engine do that after 20+ years

[@tornadotj2059]

You haven't tried to crank my 96 diesel in that weather, especially in a test like this where plugging in the block heater would be cheating. Now add to that the issue with these cold temperatures where I live where stations don't switch from summer diesel to winter diesel, and now you also have a gelled tank of fuel that won't flow.

[@infernoking7504]

@@tornadotj2059 I usually put warm fire embers under my diesel in winter as well my diesel tank is wrapped to prevent jelling

[@kstorm889]

I've never seen a vehicle not start at -20 unless it had a bad battery lol. Most diesels will too

[@joeg5414]

I live in a cold snowy area in the mountains. Lots of Teslas in the summer. Most are parked for the winter though

[@metcajx]

I live in a rural area near Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. In 2021 we bought a brand new 2021 Hyundai SantaFe Non-plugin Hybrid. In the summer, we average 6.5 liters per 100 km or 36 mpg. In the winter, we average 7.5 liters per 100 km or 31.5 mpg. We don't have to plug anything in, we just fill it with fuel and off we go. We also own a 2007 SantaFe with nearly 400,000 km on it and still going strong. It is now our workhorse for pulling a utility trailer or when we need two vehicles. It has a 3.3L engine and I know it uses nearly double the fuel of our non-plugin hybrid. In my opinion non-plugin is the way to go, it is exactly like driving a regular gas vehicle, but with significant fuel savings. The recovery braking converts the energy of stopping back in the battery instead of conventional braking, which just converts it to heat, and nothing recovered. One of the best decisions we've ever made.

[@steveishere7909]

What is the warranty on the battery in the hybrid?

[@brandonhofmann6666]

I drive a 96' Chevy Corsica, 3.1L and get roughly 350 miles per fuel in sub zero temperatures. Not to mention that it's cheap to fix if something goes wrong but the last 4 years I've had it I've only did maintenance on it

[@Ophidicus]

They need to to disclose the range in extreme conditions and average it with Ideal just like City/Highway combined on gas powered cars

[@martinavery3979]

Um, Tommy, why the woolen hat and coat if the interior temp is 70?. Heater not holding up?

[@Clearanceman2]

To be fair, if it was 70 in there, he couldn't have comfortably left that hat on. @@phillipbanes5484

[@GlenOwens-qi5le]

@@phillipbanes5484 I live in Minnesota. If I'm going to be in my car for an hour or more, I will always take off my outerwear. Car temps usually set in the 70 degree range. In this example running for over 100 miles, I would have had my coat and gloves off.

[@123devinzz1]

​@@GlenOwens-qi5leif im going more than 30 minutes il take my jacket off and get comfortable myself.

[@roberthackenberg2874]

I always crank my heater up till I'm sweating like on a hot summer day. Petrol Engine doesn't mind, keeps it cool.

[@casualcausalityy]

I'm sure the heat was off some to save on battery. They're trying to sell this thing!

[@3WAY-MIRROR]

what was the cost of the recharge to compare mpg if possible?

[@mikeg4317]

As more information evolves from real world EV performance, the less people want them. Personally, I will stay away from EV's. Purchased a Prius Prime for the wife and it has been fantastic! I like the option of EV and/or ICE and the Prius Prime fits the bill.

[@KreeH2023]

I remember when they came out with governmental mileage estimates which at first could be overly optimistic. Then they added city and highway mileage estimates. I wish they would do a similar thing for EVs. They could have different mileage estimates for different driving conditions to give folks a better estimate. One could assume a city/highway range for 20-80% charge and 100% and maybe a factor for temp cold vs ambient say 0.8 (mileage estimates for cold are reduced by 80%).

[@Cakebattered]

EPA should require 70mph highway range. No one really has range anxiety doing local driving around town.

[@nipperdawg1865]

Someplace on youtube ia how the epa tests electric vehicles and its a faulted test. Like when it first came out in the 80s

[@andrewt9204]

It's why it's a good idea to check youtube or forums on cars you're interested in to see closer to real range tests. Would be nice if makers had more data, but can't seem to rely on that.

[@jstaffordii]

@@nipperdawg1865 EPA test is at 55mph on a dyno in a controlled climate space without a wind load. It's a flawed test scenario.

[@Popwarner-x1w]

​@@jstaffordiiminus the power it takes to run the AC and the stereo and the headlights and other electrical components

[@jcshobbiesandrecreation5873]

Thank you for doing this. Perfect example of what I've been saying all along. Now what happens if you get stuck in a snow storm or an accident on the road where you need to sit for a coupe of hours while they clear the roads.

[@Plisken65]

Heat pump will run for 24 hours or more on 50% battery

[@slotcarfan]

​@@Plisken65And then battery discharged enough to not make it to charging station? Or stuck by side of road?​ When I run out if gas, a gas can from nearby station and on my way agian.

[@ianrobertson3419]

​@@slotcarfanwhen is the last time you ran out of gas?

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@ianrobertson3419 I ran out of gas once about 40 years ago and I didn't like it and strangely it hasn't happened since.

[@douglasmiller373]

The test was not real world. The driver wore his heavy coat and hat for the entire 2 to 3 hour test. The range would have dropped a lot more if he had turned on the heat and the seat heater in the car as others would do-so this was not a real world test. If I am wrong, I would like to know.

[@occamsrazorblades]

If I had to precondition my ICE car with 5% of a tank of gas, I'd be pissed. If I also had to wait 30 minutes to fill up my tank, I'd sell it on KZbin too.

[@Marc-King777]

LOL. What if you lost almost half your gas on a full tank than what your manufacturer's MPG rating estimated?

[@kimkaze4868]

If I have to pay 6 dollars a gallon, and drive out to fill my tank I would sell that car, and buy EV that I could charge overnight in my garage, while it is fully charged and no need to worry about where to stop for me to fill up the gas in my daily commute

[@nbvolks]

The real test is to have two identical EVs and precondition one (both battery and interior) and have the other one be stone cold (like yours was). I'd be interested to then see how the frigid temps effect each car and how different their range ends up being. Also, from personal experience, the tires and air temp seem to be less of a problem than the road conditions. If there's slush on the road that REALLY saps the power because of the increased rolling resistance. Otherwise, with winter tires, a roof box and 0°F like temps I see a relatively minimal impact on range in our Polestar when distance driving with an average of around 55mph. But introduce slush on the road...and yeah, consumption goes way up.

[@michaeld5888]

The problem with EVs it is all constant experimentation and digging out the right way to do things out of a confusing mire of choices. I am sure some people enjoy this and good luck to them but that market must be pretty saturated by now. The big problem will be when people not happy in this complex high tech environment are forced in to it and go out on the roads.

[@opfreakx]

you dont need to precondition a gas car to get better gas mileage in the cold. EV fans need to stop making excuses, and acknowledge that EVs still have problems with cold weather.

[@SteveHulshof]

@@opfreakxit’s a different technology so some things are different. On a Tesla, you turn on climate before you leave. It will also heat up the battery. You can do this from your phone or set a schedule to do it every morning before work. It’s really not that hard… but I will say if you are doing a lot of driving each day and can’t charge at home, maybe an EV isn’t for you and stick with gas car.

[@dietmarhogl1086]

stupid test, every normal intelligent person pre heat their cars in winter. Everyone knows that a ICE car have around 30% efficiency, so heating up the interior is just done by losses (heat) from the engine. An EV engine is so efficient, so it need to use the battery to heat up the same area. That's why pre heat are a neccesity in cold weather. If not able to have a outlet where you live, then you probably not buy an EV never the less.

[@laserwizard2]

Look on the bright side - golf carts are usually good to use when its golf weather!

[@brandoncoyle7110]

150 in my model 3 is what I am seeing typical range in the bad winter weather. Most people would never do a 100 to zero run. I have the LFP battery M3 so I go 95% to about 10-15% depending on the risk I am willing to take. Going too low on winter day is a big risk in rural areas as you don't want to be stranded in negative temps far away from anyone.

[@alphagodvon]

So you get around 150 miles

[@STho205]

If that was from 100%down to 2 like these guys 130 to 150mi depending on how long it street froze and how much you warmed yourself and the battery while driving. Thats where they lost 30 miles or so. However, like you said best practices is not to drain and go to 100, but 30% charge to 80%....so cut the practical range in half....70 miles. This is after you cut the full summer range in half with the cold. A good test also may be 80% charged, left in freezing street parking with high wind for 3-4 days due to deep snow or wisely staying off the icy road for a weekend. That is likely the situation for the Tesla Chicago Olympics on Tuesday after a 3 day weekend in 0F.

[@joesniffedherfanny5928]

​@@STho205the worst part is the range will drastically go down with age

[@STho205]

@@joesniffedherfanny5928 maybe...maybe not. NiCads were terrible about aging out. That's what the original EV1, Leafs and Hondas had...and gave EVs that rep. I tend to keep cars for 15 -20 years 200k mi, if I don't inadvertently buy a lemon. I've not yet seen EVs go that distance...but most haven't been around more than 8 years....with earlier ones really just prototypes.

[@joesniffedherfanny5928]

@@STho205 I've been using lithium batteries for years they definitely hold up better than the nicad batteries but they definitely start losing performance after five or six years old and start going downhill from there once a Lithium powered car hits 8 or 9 years old you will probably have to pay someone to take it not even sure it would have good scrap value because of the cost of disposing of the battery

[@extremedrivr]

Thank you TFL for this test!! I'm from NM and I know what brutal winters are like over here. EV's just aren't fit for purpose. Nice video guys!!

[@stevenwashechek5182]

What I learn from this video and the comments is that EVs are so fickle that you basically have to always plan everything out. From driving speed, temp, tries, wind condition, battery conditioning, climate control, and charge points. Never saw such a high maintenance car that you have to think about so much. But hey, at least it save you an oil change every 5000 miles. EV vehicles have a long way to go still.

[@kstorm889]

I wish I didn't have to think about my diesel truck in the winter too. I have to tell Google to turn on the block heater at least 30min before I can even start it. Then I have to plan on having an outlet to plug in where I'm going if I stay the night..

[@dansanger5340]

To be fair, they didn't have to plan anything. They just got shorter range. Unless they were going on a long trip, they never would have noticed.

[@slayr112]

I have a model 3 performance and I charge at home, the only time I have to plan anything is if im going on a road trip, which realistically is once or twice a year. Everything else I just hop in and drive, never really have to think about anything other than my wipers and tires. No fuel injectors clogging, no spark plugs, 12v battery doesn't die every time it gets cold like the 8 previous gas cars I have owned. Winter absolutely does suck though, regenerative breaking is non-existent so you don't regain mileage when you slow down. However, there is one big upside, while everyone at work is sitting warming up their cars up getting ready to leave, mine is already warm.

[@rsamd]

If you can charge at home an ev is a breeze of comfort, specially in the winter on daily commute (

[@truhartwood3170]

How much you want to geek out is up to you. These are all the same factors on an ICE car for fuel efficiency, but there are way more things you can pick at on an ICE car if you want to tackle everything that affects your mileage. My ICE car also loses about half its range in these conditions, mainly pushing through snow, which is a lot of work.

[@heyRex]

Great video! Glad to know a general rule is to 1/2 range when driving in extreme cold.

[@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews]

More like 60-70% honestly.

[@chrishogan8125]

I lose 15-25% of my range in the cold, HOWEVER.....driving in town uses regen braking more often, so you actually get better range in stop and go situations!

[@SCLARK2112]

It's like going from 30 miles per gallon in a gas powered car to 18. I'd sell it. LOL

[@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews]

@@SCLARK2112 Ever drive a gas powered car in the negatives? It loses 25-30%.

[@MEdGrant]

and don't forget the longer charging time plus waiting in line to get to the charger.

[@geraldscott4302]

I wouldn't pay $44 for that POS. BTW, 99% of all fires on an internal combustion car have electrical causes.

[@916hayabusa]

At last the future is here, I love it when my vehicle dictates to me, where and when I can drive and under what circumstances, this really is a step in a direction, not the right direction, that’s for sure.

[@JollyLamaCom]

Remember those pioneers who didn't have anything dictated to them? They just had to deal with exposure to the elements, natives who would ambush them, rivers without bridges and land as far as the eye could see with no roadways. Good thing we have folks today with a mindset like yours: If anything doesn't exactly as I want it to it sucks.

[@916hayabusa]

@@JollyLamaCom I’m not sure if you see my sarcasm, I’m from the uk, I know that a lot of Americans don’t get English sarcasm.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@JollyLamaCom Good thing we have those people, they are the ones who solve problems now instead of forming a study group.

[@jaypeltz2587]

Great job It looks like the heater didn’t work too well. That’s a lot of coat to be wearing inside of a heated car. Can you elaborate on the heating: was it turned all the way up? If not why not? And compared to a ICE car in similar temps.

[@lupe2947]

In an ICE, heat is waste energy, so you don’t lose range to heat the cabin. In an EV, air is heated using energy from the battery. So for people who want the most range, you don’t wanna run the heat on max.

[@michaelmaas5544]

@@lupe2947 You do wanna run your heat on max you just can’t because you won’t get where you’re going. No one that lives in a cold climate is giving up their heat to drive an EV.

[@lupe2947]

@@michaelmaas5544 I literally said “For people who want the most range”. I mean, I couldn’t have been any more clear.

[@JensSchraeder]

Notice he never took his winter jacket off.

[@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw]

​@@lupe2947dumb question but does EV run a coolant thru the battery and heat exchanger like gas cars do to manage battery temp?

[@enovationsgr]

$44k for 160 mile range. u cant make this shit up

[@teslatwosome945]

We purchased a Model 3 in June of 2018. Over the 60,000 miles we averaged 235 Whr/mile. We took it on several road trips. Purchased a Model Y last October. We went to the California coast from here in central Arizona. The round trip was about 900 miles. I was surprised to see that the electric usage was averaging 295 Whr/mile up from our old Model 3. I really liked your comment about the need to have the Lidar again and not just the cameras. I still think they are not full calibrated for all situations. I would like to see an active front camera that activates when you go to park. I miss the Model 3 read out in inches. By the way great video!

[@mikldude9376]

Not to mention they are still somewhat dumb when it comes to being in cruise control as far as coming up on a car in the next lane that may not be quite holding the centre of the lane perfectly , but to a human driver would be just fine too pass, however the tesla has a tendency to jump on the brakes unnecessarily which can be anxiety producing when there is a truck or another car in reasonable close proximity to your rear end at highway speeds. The computer crap has a long way to go before it’s actually up to scratch.

[@coreyrezner3197]

Range is bad in normal temperatures 😂

[@ToyotaSubieDude]

I have a model 3 and I’d still drive an EV for daily driving over gas because it’s still a lot cheaper than filling with gas and my drives are usually 10 miles or less at a time and so I live by 2 superchargers. If I lived far from a DC fast charger, then that would be an issue for sure. Everyone’s situation is going to be different

[@Erik-sq8nz]

Its -16 in toronto this week. Haven’t seen many ev’s. in alberta some places are at -40+

[@ianrobertson3419]

Lolololol. Was it actually that cold in Toronto? In any case, there are lots of EVs in Toronto, more so than any other city in Canada. Even Edmonton has lots of EVs and its always cold there.

[@tomdy69]

You'll see lots of EVs on the road in Alberta at -40 because many gas cars just flat out won't start. :)

[@thegrandpencil4374]

This is the number one thing that has to improve if EVs are going to take over in the US. More people than not in this country live in areas where winter is a real, legit thing, and asking them to spend forty-five to fifty-grand on a car that only gets 160 miles of range during those months is a tall order. Gotta fix that.

[@kstorm889]

I daily an ev in northern MN, I don't think I'd ever not have an ev again. I have a 1 ton diesel I use for plowing and hauling equipment though. But if it's -40 in the morning, I'm not taking the truck lol. Because I'm probably not shutting it off until it gets home in that temp. Anything below like -20 and it's a big if for starting.

[@andrewt9204]

@@kstorm889 Also live in MN (S.E. area) and have to travel all over the state for work. I only have a Model 3 LR. Sold all my gas vehicles 2 years ago when pandemic prices were out of control. I will say northern MN is a bit iffy since Bemidji is the last supercharger up that way. We're going to Lake of the Woods this weekend and I can't take my car. I could make it to Baudette & Warroad, but there isn't even any lvl 2 charging there unless I call one of the shops or something to see if I can use their welder outlet. I couldn't get back to Bemidji otherwise. I normally carpool with someone else anyway, so not a big deal, but I don't have that option even if I wanted. Even Hibbing is kinda rough to get to when it's really cold, but there are a few lower speed charging options there at least. Of course as more and more charging gets put in, even level 2, range will not be a worry. Hopefully in a handful of years at least every decent size town will have some sort of level 2 charging that I charge during the day or at the hotel overnight.

[@loganholmberg2295]

dont you use a block heater and let your glow plugs warm things up before turning the key?@@kstorm889

[@Viper3048]

Different situation for everyone, but I could never have an EV for my needs

[@mostlyguesses8385]

​lets be honest so families can plan, at zero range is 50% at -20 range is 30% so basically no EVs in February in N MN.... Minneapolis literally is as cold as Anchorage so MN needs exemption.. my gran in Falls never can use EV, 33% at best .. . When I drive south I always feel angry to see snowline stop at IA and mud start showing wow Minndakota is different league than rest

[@wegmandan]

I'm curious for the people like Us that live up in the north how do you protect the battery case from rotting from the road salt? And how long do you think those will hold up year after year of the road salt?

[@ericgosselin1947]

Up here in Canada, we see a lot of -20C to -40C, imagine the range at -40C ! I will keep my gas car a little more !

[@ianrobertson3419]

All depends on how much you drive per day. If you're doing less than 200kms then it's fine.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@ianrobertson3419 If you live on the smallest Plantation, range doesn't matter?

[@doublebackagain4311]

So if you ~1/2 the range when you're in 0 weather, and you 1/2 the range when you tow, if you are towing in 0 weather is the rule of thumb 1/4 the regular total range? 😬

[@engineeringVirtue]

More likely 1/3 range towing, 1/5th range towing in snow? That's why CT is an instant fail as a real truck without 500+ mile advertised range..

[@ianrobertson3419]

Depends on what you're towing and how heavy it is.

[@jhill4071]

About EVs. Look in the garage of a Tesla owner. There is always a gas fueled car parked next to it.

[@fluffydoodle1574]

Canada has recently just legislated that all new cars sold must be EV by 2035. Here in Alberta we just experienced temperatures of -35 to-40c plus wind chills close to -50c. We received emergency alerts that our electric grid was close to blackout for areas around the province. Reduced range and grid instability makes the future of driving a bit scary.

[@h20dancing18]

Its that they all have to be electreified, which includes plug in hybrids. Its also 11 years away. 11 years ago, 300 miles was the best evs could do, now its 500 with a clear path for reducing costs and increasing range on lower end vehicles. also as a fellow canadian who has lived in alberta, bc and manitoba, -35 to -40 does happen but its rare, only in the dead of winter for a few days. besides cold weather like that hurts ice cars more, makes it super hard to start them.

[@Ioniq5_2024]

Includes plug-in hybrids. Which, you know, have a combustion engine.

[@vxnova1]

If you can buy the most reliable ice car in 2034. Should last a good 15-20 years, by that point 2050 they should have the grid sorted and a lot more options too,

[@Snerdles]

On the other hand, as V2H becomes more accessible anyone with a large charged battery attached to their house can make it through a grid outage running heaters and then charge back up later when the emergency is over. So, like most things, there are trade offs, not solutions.

[@Clearanceman2]

I've never seen your channel before. You guys have very clear explanations and the editing is good.

[@thefalloutshelter7799]

30 minutes to charge to 80% vs 50 seconds to fill a tank

[@jerems2002]

Another good test to follow up with this one is fully pre-conditioned in a garage and go out in the similar temps and do the same loop test. For most real-world, set your app to leave at a certain time, get in and do the loops.

[@mariusbuciuman307]

Yeah why charge it to 96% and then let it sit in freezing temp overnight. What’s the point of that? Imo car lost more than the 3% just sitting there. Plus warm up from freezing and all the other factors. What about drive mode? Was it in performance or chill mode?

[@davidwhitacre534]

Because......not everyone has a heated garage that they can park in overnight.@@mariusbuciuman307

[@lachlanB323]

@@mariusbuciuman307 It has to heat back up so it does lose more than 3%

[@siraff4461]

@@mariusbuciuman307 Not sure about over there but our home insurance renewal came with a clause that no ev's be charged in the garage or within three meters of the buildings. We had the option to take another provider but that was almost a 300% increase in premium. If thats not in the US yet it soon will be because insurers never miss a chance to rip you off.

[@ms-jl6dl]

Most people do not have a garage (70%),this is real "real-life" test. And most humans do not have a house either (live in flats). Average Tesla owner earns 56,000 USD per year,average American ...? Whole this EV craze has distinctive smell of new burgoaisie.

[@Raj-nh3fc]

We saw similar effect in Norway recently with my sons new Tesla 3. At minus 20deg C, it lost 40 percent of the range. It has a heat pump for heating. The other electric cars like Mercedes EQ, without heat pump lost at least 50 percent of range. They all have real winter tyres here, not some all weather crap.

[@harry-eto]

Prove that statement with a video, R2-D2 Raj

[@chrischaffey1252]

As a Canadian I can vouch for the Cross Climates having run them on my other vehicle. They are decent tires in winter conditions, and All-Weather doesn't equal All-Season. That being said, I'm currently running X-Ice Snows on my EV6.

[@MrCarpediem6]

my cousin's Model x in Norway stopped charging in the ocld too :S; had to be towed?

[@COSolar6419]

Not everyone needs real winter tyre crap.

[@wsu8568]

Do yourself a favor by starting educating yourself on tires. New gen of all weather tires are real.

[@jamesalias595]

Gas cars don't lose 3% of fuel overnight in the cold, haha. EV torture test? That is normal winter weather, EV's are not ready for real life usage like winter.

[@tmwei396]

Hertz is dumping their EVs very cheap so you may have some competition for customers for your Tesla.

[@BensEcoAdvntr]

Between you and Out of Spec we got some great winter EV info today, thanks!

[@thedopplereffect00]

There was so much bad info because of one station going down in Chicago

[@DrFrisb]

​@thedopplereffect00 lol those were irresponsible people and those channels know Tesla is king and they take every chance to attack haha

[@supraman321na4]

The station wasn't even offline, the hilarious part is that all the least competent owners unknowingly got routed to the same supercharger after they ignored their state of charge and didn't have even the sense to pre-condition their batteries and so many of the charges just wouldn't start and many of them damaged the handles out of frustration and ignorance. We need to call it like it is more in this world.

[@RT-mv7df]

@@supraman321na4 Perfect example of 3 in-denial youtube commenters above (thedopplereffect, DrFrisb, & Supraman). Lol

[@supraman321na4]

@@RT-mv7df ok, sweet rebuttal bro 👍

[@JohnnyAGraves]

When you changed the size of your tires, did you have to go into the computer to change the revolution per mile? Or does the Tesla determine mileage by GPS and not the way gasoline/diesel vehicles determine mileage and speed?

[@superstarcat7654]

So I wonder at the degrade to the battery when it gets frozen. I know that it won't charge fully again, just like your phone battery, but how long a life will the battery have?

[@patrickcameron2950]

Suggestions: do the same test but precondition the car outside first. Very interested to see how much this helps range.

[@ImfreeCitizen]

So how many miles did you actually go on the test , and it will take 30 minutes to refuel the battery. So a person that drives 110 miles a day for work would have to spend another 30 minutes at a fuel station daily . No thanks tesla

[@MrClawt]

As a Former Minnesotian, the roads were always being cleared by an unbeatable army of Snow plows. Even after a 18 inches of Snow the roads were way better then what you were on.

[@b.t.2796]

I agree. Unfortunately the increasingly efficient Minnesota snowplow crews have reduced my excuse for being late to work from 3 days to 1. I call whatever that stuff they put on the road "magic dust" because the roads are magically dry a day after the snow stops.

[@Ariz-up1ri]

Who would want to live in Minnesota

[@rhaukus6300]

Canada here. When it gets cold, I'm passing Teslas on the highway going 45-50 mph and they're probably driving white knuckles while watching the range dropping. If I'm ever forced to abandon my ICE, it'll be a hybrid with a battery large enough for daily commute but still capable to rely on gas stations for longer distances

[@ianrobertson3419]

What highway you talking about? I've never seen a Tesla driving that slow.

[@RickHorocholyn]

@@ianrobertson3419 Hwy 16, the Yellowhead, from Portage to Russell MB. Yes, I've never seen that either, except that one time when it was ~ -30C. No idea how long he was driving on that charge, but the system was probably telling him how fast he could go in order to reach this destination on the remaining charge

[@WickedIllusion1]

8:06 I see that here in Michigan too, I don't understand why people turn their hazards on.... WE'RE ALL DRIVING IN THE SAME CONDITIONS!

[@Sashazur]

Maybe they figure since they’re going slower than everyone else, it’s a good idea to have their flashers on so someone won’t run up on them is lower visibility. I agree with that thinking, but even better would be to do that while staying out of the passing lane!

[@robertkubrick3738]

I often wish I had a public address system so I could ask them to state the nature of their emergency?

[@FastRedPonyCar]

Like most others on the model 3 message boards and FB group, we saw avg about 20% real world less mileage than what telsa rate the cars at. Depending on how cold it is outside, once you're near freezing or below, you'll get about 60~65% of the rated range and this is right on what I experienced in my M3P. At or a little below freezing, the car started preconditioning for 30 minutes before arriving at a supercharger but was still unable to charge beyond 100 miles per hour charging. May have been something up with the charger though. I don't have the car anymore (glad I did the 3 year lease though just to experience it and see what EV ownership was all about) but I'm back in a normal ICE car now and I don't regret the decision. My ICE car doesn't care about cold when it comes to range and gas stations are significantly less prone to outages due to cold.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Oh man, I definitely don’t miss the Denver drivers. Tommy, as always, spot on. Drive slow if you want, just stay out of the fast lane.

[@Pwj579]

EVs won't be a worth a darn until they publish 800 mile range vehilce which actually means like 400 miles under typical conditions. Plus they are SO DARN heavy WHICH IS NOT EFFICIENT AT ALL!

[@x246813579]

I had a rental model 3. I got about 180 mile range at 20F. It was whatever hertz usually buys. It was pretty sad. Never rented one again it's just too much hassle.

[@86309]

how long would it have taken to fully charge up at that station to go another 150miles and what was the cost of the recharge? thanks!

[@sirjaymill]

I also wonder, if it takes 30 mins to recharge, is that you standing outside in -3, or with you sitting in the car staying warm.

[@WeeShoeyDugless]

​@@sirjaymill Sitting on top of a known danger while charging too😱😱

[@jperks6943]

You sit in the car if you would like to with it on. Or can just leave your car and go somewhere. I have mapped a few out on routes I take that have restaurants I like or coffee shop or stores I like near them. I also charge at home so rarely I use a super charger

[@sirjaymill]

@@jperks6943 if you sat in it, while charging and on, how much extra time and money is it, when it's cold like that

[@WeeShoeyDugless]

​@@jperks6943 This is the thing I just can't get my head round...... My planning for a journey? Just go! No apps, no preheating batteries, no planning for where I 'might' get a charger, no worries about stopping at places with undesirables loitering around because yet another 'app' sent me there, I just go, simple as!

[@steveh7857]

Not for me. I want to fill up in a few minutes and get to where I want to be. Thanks for testing it in real world conditions.

[@phillm156]

I have an ICE vehicle. I have the Cross Climate 2s for 20k miles. It is fantastic in snow but I did get a 9-10% reduction in mileage compared to my previous set of Michelin pilot AS. This has been verified by some testers. Should take that into consideration with your testing.

[@robertthomson9340]

i have had those tires on my subaru outback for 42,000 miles and 2 years 3 weeks i am one of the guys who checks my mileage quite often its one of my crazy quirks but I cant honestly say Ive seen more then a 1 mile per gallon recuction in gas mileage but I do love those tires especially and rain and snow great traction

[@phillm156]

@@robertthomson9340 I have a heavier suv (Q5) the weight (4500lbs) might compound the difference. I’ve noticed a 1.5 to 2 mpg drop. It is a great tire for any inclement weather.

[@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews]

EV6 GT, I am losing about 7.5% range vs PSAS4's.

[@nathanexplosion5478]

I’ve found that if able with your car, moving to a smaller wheel diameter with narrower, higher profile tire often results in lower overall wheel/tire weight which offsets higher rolling resistance of winter tires to a large degree. You have extra cost of the wheels of course, but I keep my vehicles a long time and ease and reduced cost of just swapping the sets each season vs. remounting and balancing tires twice a year makes up for it. And you get slightly better traction than with stock sized winter tires.

[@steveh504]

Love to see that test done again starting off with a warm garage-kept car, preconditioned battery, and conservative hvac use during the drive. Wonder what the difference in range would be. Not huge, I'm sure, but I'm curious.

[@glamdring0007]

Very few people have a heated garage...not sure there would be much value in testing it

[@steveh504]

@@glamdring0007 True. I meant to imply a normal garage.

[@cangle37]

Don't need a heated garage, just being plugged in to a 220v power source would have the battery preconditioned for optimal performance. That would make a significant difference in range.

[@donaldbiden9492]

Conservative HVAC would be so far from a real world test and if you can't run the heater in sub zero temps because you're scared you might stall out, that's a problem.

[@steveh504]

@@donaldbiden9492 True, but that's not what I meant. I mean lowering the temp a couple more degrees, then turning off the heated seats and steering wheel after they warm up. Perfectly reasonable.

[@kevinsmith5448]

what a sales pitch for a tesla: 150 mile range in the cold? yea, but it's only 30-40 minutes to fill it back up! no thanks

[@lidolf8168]

You guys are smart for using better sniw tires. I live in Southern Idaho and most people use cheaper All season tires all year all the time unless they have a truck or suv. Then they just use All terrains or mud terrains. And a lot of us go sliding all over the place or losing a lot of traction and getting stuck in snow. (I'm one of those goobers with All Seasons all the time)

[@markmonroe7330]

I think they are running 3-peak severe snow rated "all season" tires. The key is the 3-peak rating. Many all-season tires do not have this rating and it makes a big difference in the snow/ice. When these reviewers mention the tires during winter weather testing, they really need to mention the 3-peak rating.

[@lidolf8168]

@@markmonroe7330 I don't know if they do or not I thought I heard them mention the 3 peak rating but regardless the Goodyear Crossclimates are 3 peak rated and really good in the snow vs what most people run where I live.

[@johnowens8530]

@@lidolf8168Crossclimate 2 is Michelin. I am on my third set. I love them for all driving conditions. They do everything very well.

[@Pesmog]

The Michelin Cross Climates have a good reputation in Europe. In tyre tests against full studless European winter tyres they typically finish in the top third of the table despite being a genuine all season/all weather tyre that is also designed to cope with 90-100 degree summer temps in southern Europe and lots of rain. I don't run them myself, but those folks I know who do have them are generally very happy with the tyre throughout the year.

[@lidolf8168]

@@Pesmog Yeah from what I've read they are really good tires. If only I had enough money to buy me some.

[@ricatiman]

Hey Guys - For a light dusting of snow like you had overnight, here in Canada we use our cordless Electric leaf blowers to clear off our cars in 30 seconds...just make sure you are upwind when you start. Up here in snowy, mountainous British Columbia, we signs along all of our highways warning : DO NOT USE CRUISE CONTROL ON SLIPPERY ROADS. That's because it has been shown that some systems fail to mitigate loss of traction as the cruise control systems apply throttle making tire slip issues occur. I was under the impression that Tesla refuses to use Radar or Lidar , just video, for car control, and that will be the eventual death of the brand. What was your cost for this trip?

[@jamesengland7461]

Death of the brand? lol that's silly

[@dave4454]

Good you buy one, if I run low I can stop at a gas station and I don't have to wait 20 to 40 minutes or longer and that's not a full charge

[@fink94]

150 miles ain’t all that bad. These tests are nice, I love them. They’re actually telling me that I’m my normal day life of getting to work and back I will be fine in even the worst conditions. Let’s face it, ALOT of us go to work and back all week and it’s usually under 20 miles per day. These tests of emptying the battery road tripping are just that… Road trip situations. You’d stop to eat after 150 miles!

[@beltrams]

I'm no stranger to snow and cold. Live in MA and in Maine.....went skiing yesterday NW Maine. Still, 70mph seems kind of fast for some of those conditions I saw, even with nice tires. Good luck!

[@Marc-King777]

Who the hell is driving 70 MPH in the snow and ice?

[@beltrams]

@lamontjohnson5810 , I know. I was trying to be nice. Driving fast on those glazed-over tire trails, it's all good until someone drifts or slows unexpectedly, then.....!

[@claytonandrews251]

I’m Canadian and drive truck for a living I was saying the same thing about 70 mph on pickled ice .. I’m guessing the weight gives you confidence but it won’t stop easily if you need to quickly..

[@Flexin010]

It wont be long till we see 1000 range. Then it will be a game changer. Keep testing!

[@grantchallinor5263]

In over a decade in Russia, I can count the number of Teslas I've seen on one hand - EV performance in cold climates (as featured in the video) is one of the reasons. In early December most of Eastern Russia (an area not too disimilar to the size of the entire US) experienced several days of -58°C to -71°C (-72°F to -96°F) temperatures. It's a challenge to run even an ICE vehicle in such conditions - but possible. A Tesla, I think not.

[@PPerSO]

I’d assume you can for much much less range. Maybe 100mi or less per full charge

[@grantchallinor5263]

@@PPerSO I don't think you understand, in the city of Yakutsk (population c. 350,000+) and the surrounding Sakha Republic (for example), winter temperatures of -71°C (-96°F) are not unusual. For context, in terms of size, the Sakha Republic covers about 20% of Russia's land mass or would occupy an area close to 33% of the entire United States. If you want to use your car during the colder months (December through to February), and it's a typical cold winter, you have only 3 choices: 1) Store your car in a heated garage, and keep the engine running when you park it outside - or 2) Keep your car in an insulated and heated car cover when not using it, and again keep the engine running at all times when parked outside at your destination - or 3) If you keep your car parked outside (without the benefits of 1. or 2.) you need to keep the engine running 24/7. If you can't do any of the above, your car and its moving parts will likely become frozen and you won't be able to use your car until the spring thaw arrives. Another consideration is that at least in an ICE vehicle you may have options if your car has a problem.... a Tesla does not. I don't think you could use a Tesla in Central and Eastern Russia, and even trying to run a Tesla in Western Russia during the winter would also present problems, and be totally impractical.

[@siraff4461]

A friend of mine worked in Russia (Novosibirsk) for about five years before being called back due to the little scuffle going on at the moment. Some of the videos he sent me looked brutal. Most people living in most places just wouldn't understand how harsh the winters can be. Even with his brand new company car (Audi q5), with heated screens and all the rest he said there are a couple months per year where getting around is pretty much impossible or at least a big gamble.

[@davidreidenberg9941]

A lot of Teslas in Norway

[@grantchallinor5263]

@@siraff4461 I know someone who's originally from Novosibirsk, and someone else who went to a boarding school there. It's an extremely cold city, with a poulation of about 1.5m people. Typically winter temperatures there are colder than Moscow, but Novosibirsk is only about 1,000km into Siberia. From there if you continue east for another (say) 5,000km, it just gets colder and colder the further you go in that direction....

[@chuckhursch5374]

Would’ve liked to see the actual battery temp in service mode

[@JMak02]

@@skater1191 just wanted to give a heads up. I’m even currently in the process of reviewing homeowners risks that i insure for cancellation for any insureds that we find to own AND have ev charging capability in their garage. If i see a charging station or it’s noted in an inspection, im contractually obligated to send notice of cancellation that day. It does seem most companies will follow suit within a couple years, we just want to get ahead of the curve before every car is required to be an EV and these complete losses are more common. The other option we provide is they provide proof that the at home charging station has been removed by a licensed electrician (receipt and photo). Owners who charge at home should expect to start using supercharging networks away from home to reduce unnecessary risk of house fire and environmental contamination from lithium ion batteries can be more easily cleared in these larger parking lots away from people. This is from a relatively prominent insurance carrier and as i mentioned other carriers are asking about the success of this and how it’s done through their agencies then they’re coming to us for what seems to be potential implementation.

[@michelhegeraat5430]

Exactly, it is the temperature of the battery that controls how much power it can deliver. A battery stores energy in a chemical bond. This energy can't just go anywhere, it has to come out of the battery as electricity. I wonder if the car and its battery were heated before the start, what the range would have been. I'm sure winter tyres and weather conditions will also affect ICE cars fuel consumption, even if people don't care. 🙂

[@JMak02]

@@michelhegeraat5430 lol that’s funny. Both ev and ice would need winter tyres and give negative side effects so that’s a wash of an argument but I’m sure it sounded better in your head. Cold has a much more negative impact on batteries, obviously as it gets colder combustion engines get more power, about 1% per 10 degree f drop. Also ice drivers benefit from being able to go from 0 mi range to 600mi+ in about 3 minutes without any preparation to the fuel tank to accept fuel regardless of temperature. Amazing is t it?

[@GloriousReign]

So waste more energy to warm the battery 😂

[@JMak02]

@@GloriousReign they can just all spend more time at supercharger stations instead of being somewhere they should be. “The future” seems boring

[@rahkuaschount]

Who would regularly wait 30 minutes or more to fill their gas tank? It's insane.

[@beehappy7797]

Ask the Norwegians. 84% of all new cars sold in 2023 were electric. And the percentage is increasing.

[@hippyhay1659]

Up here in Northern Alberta, getting stranded on a remote road in winter might be a death sentence.... My Subaru averages 8-9 litres/100K. I'd only consider an EV if if the range was at least 400 km in the winter. On a trip to Edmonton, the only EV charging station (level 2) is in Whitecourt, about 4 1/2 hours away at 100 kph.

[@ianrobertson3419]

Ya, that's a real crappy part of the country in the winter. Not enough people around to get better infrastructure either. I'm sure GP has a few ev's now but that's not very far far north.