A BRUTAL Towing Torture Test! Will This Uphill Run Overheat Our Maxed-Out Ram 1500 Classic?

[@pabo8080]

I think TFL got more views and reviews and interest with the Stubby Ram than with the disaster that was the electric Hummer

[@Flydevice1]

Haha, and they spent 1/3 of the price for stubby Ram.

[@michaelatkins9780]

Yep, good call and what America will find out soon, EV's are politically motivated.

[@robertannable9584]

Cause stubby ram is similar to the trucks most folks drive on a daily basis. That hummer is a silly toy that nobody wants to own.

[@johnanderson60]

Stubby, a real engine with none of that MDS, Etorque crap.

[@ALMX5DP]

What is this based on? Looking at the views on videos of both, it seems like though some of the Hummer videos were relative flops, some are exceeding over half a million to nearly a million views which are considerably more than any of the Stubby videos. I'd imagine comment count is similar.

[@NinjaT31]

Andre: we will do speed limit like always Speed limit: 25mph Also Andre: flooring it doing 40+mph 😅

[@ralphe.5877]

Exactly, I thought the same!! 🤣👍❤️

[@marcguevara162]

You tube loves to hate on the 3.6… but it’s a good engine.

[@niuhuskieguy]

The plastic oil filter/cooler housing that has to be replaced in it does it no favors.

[@marcguevara162]

Damn, I forgot about that part!! I did that job on my sisters mini van... not hard, but what a mess! I guess they have an all aluminum one now in the aftermarket.. I doubt Mopar will change things on their side, I don't know if the Pentastar is going to be around much longer with the new hurricane engines.

[@cjsteele9594]

Got a 14 outdoorsman with the 3.6, 355 rear, towing package. Love it

[@jimkinner]

The 3.6 sees a ton of use and abuse. Since Its the base motor in the Tradesman and Promaster Van, many wind up in fleet service. Beat on mercilessly by drivers who don't own them, subjected to heavy loads and stop and go driving by delivery services like Amazon and USPS. Service windows stretched by bean counting fleet managers, and fed low grade oil fuel, Often overloaded and idled for hours by workers trying to keep warm in construction and utility work , they somehow manage.

[@markryl-kuchar2373]

It looks like zf and Chrysler did one thing very right in terms of slow speed towing and left the torque converter locked all the way down to 2nd gear in tow haul mode

[@tomstarcevich1147]

Its a good transmission I tow all the time with my classic ram v6 I've got the tow group and 3 .55 ⚙️ gear ratio

[@felixmatthew6155]

I agree, the truck knew not to push its self even tho it made it a little slower but it stayed nice and cool for under the conditions that it was in

[@Texas12valve]

It locks in first also

[@coachvonyo]

Locked torque converter makes the shifting a little lazy but keeps the trans and other temps from boiling. Decent tuning RAM put into this truck.

[@huntsbychainsaw5986]

Thanks for explaining that. It makes sense now.

[@Danzilly]

Andre thanks for putting stubby to work. Really enjoy seeing what the pentastar can do. I was really impressed on the skid pad that the abs would figure out which wheel needed traction.

[@stevenlefebvre2991]

Dodge did a great job keeping those engine temperatures and transmission temperatures in check.

[@forthefunofit5487]

RAM now not Dodge

[@dalejones4322]

That truck did great going up that hill. Great video. Thanks guys

[@dougpendleton1266]

Great video, I like this run better than the Ike!!

[@bigric5100]

More hard pulls and shifts

[@WW-wf8tu]

Would like to see this route used on all the trucks you IKE. (including your recent purchase) Not everyone IKES. But a lot of people are on trips like this one. Slower speeds at harder climbs can be an issue on temps. vs freeway speeds.

[@gman8578]

Very entertaining. I really enjoyed this. I say the truck did well.

[@enz6312]

This run is very similar to what we experience in the Blue Ridge and Smoky mountains

[@rtundlt1]

Been driving MOPARs since 1990 and never had one overheat on me, and never had one with a bad engine. Transmissions? Yes changed more of them than I'd like but otherwise every other part of them have been stellar. My 3 Dodge/Ram trucks I have towed up to and maybe slightly over the max and they always kept their cool and more than enough power including the one V6 Magnum truck I had.

[@joshlewis_87]

I knew the power wasn't going to be great, but I am impressed at how well it maintained temps. I bet it would have completed the dirt section in 2wd just fine. I would like to see more videos on this route. Slow speed towing is hard on coolant, oil and trans temps

[@TheDonRMZ]

This v6 engine did very well! I wonder how the 5.7 Hemi would do in the same test 👀👌🏽

[@hkwise011]

This truck is priced similarly to Andre’s new Colorado, run the same route and see how it performs.

[@tomstarcevich1147]

Good idea 💡 👏

[@jarrodmcdaniel]

Love the Jaws-type theme as Stubby swam up that hill. I pictured those bicyclists as unsuspecting seals, targeted by the ravenous and gaping chrome maw of the Great White Stubby. Great work guys!

[@lanceripplinger8352]

You had to wring out that underpowered V6, but it i did it. TFL is the only one doing these types of videos. TFL is king!

[@TheNinjaKnight1]

Its a Ram, of course it gets the views. People try to say online how bad a Ram is but these guys keep proving these people wrong. I can't wait for them to get hold of the Ram 1500 REV.

[@scottyellis3442]

WOW really impressed with the little truck that could. I watched the 1st test with the Chevrolet & it kelped overheating, so this showed me that if i was looking a "work" truck then stay away from Chevrolet.

[@NatesHomeTours]

As someone who as owned a couple of Jeeps, I have always thought Chrysler (stelantis) could do a much better job with gear mapping and when it should downshift. Especially if you are going uphill and have cruise control set. The other big thing I notice is, when you get off the gas and then go back to gas without touching the brakes, it is slow to respond to input of being back on the gas. My work around for both complaints is to put itnto sport mode, and it will downshift sooner so you don't loose as much speed going uphill, and throttle response is more like I would expect it to be. (no delay)

[@dor1tomcswagger69]

Ram does that to keeps the trans temps down also they have fuel efficiency and trans longevity to think about as well I think it's not bad at all for a stock tune but a trans tune would fix that hesitation

[@wolffztalksknives7814]

With Cruise Control my truck shifts fine uphill, it’s when I’m not using Cruise Control it stays in 2nd. For me anyways lol

[@IronmanV5]

Now for the downhill. Next up, Andre's Colorado

[@suzuki14258]

Awesome video, I couldn’t believe how hard climbing pikes peak was on my truck and I wasn’t towing anything. Slow speeds and climbing mountains are hard on temps.

[@harrysylvester2736]

Wow did someone use sand paper to clean the gauge cluster?

[@russelldevane5434]

😂

[@walterhubicki5207]

Stubby is awesome!! So are you guys!!

[@justinborysenko3885]

That was my commute when I lived in Gold Hill! Ate lots of cars and trucks in our family.

[@incasejstn]

I wanted to see the downhill too!

[@petermavus4131]

I think Mopar engineers did this already with a mule.These are the commercials they should run on TV.Not catchy music and flashes of people using the truck .

[@garyrichards9539]

A beautiful truck.🔴

[@discoverlight]

I definitely like this towing test location way more than he Ike Gauntlet, such a workhorse this RAM.

[@JarmelSingsKaraoke]

I SAW BAMBI LOL 👏👏......THANKS FOR A GREAT MONDAY MORNING SHOW ANDRE AND CAMERA NINJA COLE ..and Tommy ...HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE ✌️

[@glenmccormack3293]

I towed car hauler with metal and aluminum on the trailer and I have an tow/haul button and it helps. It pulls good and happy with it.

[@gchun21]

I'm not familiar with the gearing but 3k rpm @ 17mph may already be in 1st gear. That may be the reason it wasn't downshifting.

[@bradhampton6457]

That’s pretty darn good for a Pentastar 3.6 engine. Impressive considering you’re towing 5k lbs uphill.

[@khakiswag]

I think the refusal to downshift was a programming strategy to keep temperatures under control. It was a limp mode with no indication to the driver it was in a limp mode. Modern vehicles can anticipate when overheating is inevitable. Andre said he could hear the cooling fan running and around the same time he also stated it was floored, not downshifting and not going over 30. The computer recognized it was commanding maximum engine cooling and temperatures were still rising. So it reduced engine power and locked the trans in, I’m guessing 2nd gear, to cool down. Not sure about Chrysler but in Ford and GM it cuts off fuel and spark to half the cylinders to use those cylinders to pump the heat out the engine through the exhaust. It works and won’t take long to bring temperatures down. However you would get a engine temperature and reduced engine power message. My guess is Chrysler is doing the same thing but not displaying a message.

[@johnanderson60]

I believe the Ram v6 in this truck has none of that gimmicky crappy green sh!t on it. It is a straight up v6, a relic in todays market. Sergio would be proud. I am...

[@khakiswag]

@@johnanderson60 what green…are you talking about? What I explained is the overheat fail safe mode GM and Ford use. Nothing green. Not everyone puts politics into everything.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@khakiswag weren't the engine coolant, oil and transmission temperatures being monitored? Seemed like they stayed pretty constant, so what might the ECU be looking at if not those particular samples?

[@wtgkb8]

It looked like it was already in 1st gear, so nothing to downshift to. If you watch closely in that part of the video, you can seen the rpm climbed to around 5k around 30 mph, which would make sense for 1st gear with that axle ratio. Looking at the video they posted about picking up the Corvette, the acceleration video after leaving shows it hitting ~40 mph in 1st gear.

[@americanrambler4972]

Stubby wins again! She climbed that mountain grade at high altitude with a rated load. This truck only has about 300 hp and 280 pound of torque. So she’s not a speed demon. We all saw she was not happy working hard under 3500 rpm. That’s to be expected. The pentastar v6 is off the bottom end of the torque curve. Once she gets past around 3500, she gets going. So he did good over all

[@aaronbehindbars]

This tighter, twistier road reminds me of the first time my family drove from Texas to Ouray, CO with my dad towing a 16 foot utility trailer with 4 dual purpose motorcycles. This was in 1997 and my dad had his 1989 F-150 with the 5.0L and 4 speed AOD. That trailer couldn't have been much over 3000 lbs, but the old Ford struggled up over Red Mountain Pass on US550. There were times he couldn't make more than 10 mph. That little Pentastar is huffing and puffing, but it's getting it done!

[@spartanchirho]

This really reminds me 9f my 2003 land rover discovery hauling a uhaul on the Ike amd then up to Leadville. Even going over Vail Pass without a trailer it was hard to stay above 55.

[@henrysboy2]

Great video. The music was a great complement to the experience. Well done.

[@forthefunofit5487]

very good. The Ram with 3:55 gears would make a big difference. BUT good job Ram you did it!!

[@Savu31]

why is the dash glass so scratched 1:09

[@robertannable9584]

Mine is in my fifth gen ram too. They use cheap plastic

[@nrgzrbunny7775]

Yeah, but what is touching the glass causing it to be scratched? I mean in reality nothing should ever touch that

[@foresterram869]

I think one of the main flaws with this engine is the fact that it runs up to 230 degrees before thermostat opens. I have a v10 ford in my Rv and it stays steady at 195 degrees

[@WSS_the_OG]

I'm quite frankly amazed Dodge made a vehicle that doesn't die under light loads, let alone heavy / over-loads. I guess the rest test will be if it's in constant CEL mode after warranty runs out.

[@Ichibuns]

People complain about midsize prices but at around $40k midsize trucks are typically more capable. For the same price, you could buy a midsize with 4-doors that's well equipped and better towing. Or you could buy a full size that's just a few years old. Tons of decently equipped 4-door Rams that're 2 or 3 years old with low mileage for under $40k.

[@wtgkb8]

I'm thinking it didn't downshift because there was nothing to downshift to. It was already in first gear. When it finally revved up to 5k rpm, it was around 30 mph, which would make sense for 1st gear getting to redline by around 40mph with that rear axle.

[@HeavenBoundSaint777]

2018 Ram 1500 3.6 is an amazing truck. Well worth buying.

[@cjsteele9594]

Just bought a rust free, 14 ram outdoorsman, 3.6, 355 rear end, with towing package. Great trucks.

[@adamduncan4422]

Try again when it is 90 outside.

[@tomstarcevich1147]

Love my 2021ram1500 classic tradesman quad cab 4x4 v6 with lots of extras got the 3.55 gears ⚙️ posi traction towing group and all terrain tires got mine for less than 40 k great simple truck 🛻👍

[@marcusvalentino4269]

I just got my ram classic v6 warlock for 50k CAD sticker price it was 67k. So basically I paid about 37k American

[@cjsteele9594]

Just bought a 14 outdoorsman, rust free, towing group, 355 rear end, 100,000 miles, 10 K out the door. Great deal from friend

[@johnvovakes9861]

You should test stubby vs stubby with the hemi v8

[@itcantbebargainedwith597]

That's my truck!

[@robertyoung8289]

Some poor sap is going to buy this truck one day. Lets hope they don't wach the show. 😂

[@joshc606]

Nice! Thanks for the video

[@rmkscrambler]

Traction control may have alot to do with full throttle not down shifting on the dirt.

[@Jim-vi4hh]

Great video again! This towing test was a tough one. I am not sure what the grade was but I am sure it was steep. The switch backs prevent you from carrying much momentum through the curves. Good job Stubby! I am curious how Stubby would have done with you selecting the gears rather than floor the accelerator and let the truck select a gear. I believe that this engine produces peak torque around 2,800 rpm. Would it be better for the truck to drive at a slower speed and select gears keeping the rpm between 2,800 and say 3,500 rpm? Just curious?

[@pernell4351]

Nice work, yes nice view love that next time need to go up that road. Yes lot smoke we are getting it too down here in Louisiana thanks to Alberta Canada big forest fire.

[@mtn-endeavors67]

I hope you realize that although torture testing that thing, the way you’re driving is very abusive for the truck

[@road-channel]

I loved that video!! We want to see the downhill too! Block higher gears loll its made for that

[@mickymaust2059]

Why do you need 4wd for a very well maintained gravel road, and why do you sound like you're panicking. Just drive the damn truck if it breaks let us know if it doesn't let us know. Nothing about this video is scary except for the music you're playing

[@wolffztalksknives7814]

For a well maintained dirt road you don’t need 4wd. Also it cuts power from the rear, would be different if you weren’t towing and didn’t need the full power there. Under load though I’m surprised if passed where that Silverado failed, I’m impressed.

[@rofin9541]

The company i work for bought a half a dozen 1/2 ton rams for the salesman and 2 of the Promasters for Deliveries. All with the V6. Within the first year and a half 3 of the engines needed to be replaced. One half ton at 23k, one Promaster with 6k and on more half ton with 32k. All fortunately were under warranty. I wish they had gone with the Hemi’s. ( Not a fan of those either but I think they would have been better.) These vehicles were never overloaded or hammered on. Just always seemed to be Rapped out and screaming, even when empty.

[@marcusvalentino4269]

I just bought a v6 ram with 3.55 rear axle. I have no problem keeping it under 2k rpm while driving, the only time I get over that is when I go to pass people on side roads.

[@cjsteele9594]

I have a same axle, 65 on the highway it runs about 1600 rpm

[@ColeSpolaric]

Do you guys clean instrument clusters with sand paper or something?

[@tomstarcevich1147]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@MaryandTheJeepCycle]

Great video TFL great job as always!! Happy Memorial Day weekend everyone!! “ oh, there’s a deer, sweet, we have an audience!” You’ll never fail to make me laugh!!

[@damiangrouse4564]

“There’s a deer! We have an audience.” What are we to you ? Have a peaceful Memorial Day.

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

drive the 2013 5.7 shorty 4x4 and it hauls my 25' airstream. 5900 lbs done the Donner pass I80 , continental divide on I40. long grade on I15 to Vegas I run out of steam but. never over heats do like the dodge gauge set up so one can monitor all temps in one screen . my next tow rig will be a v6 tundra ? or F150 powerboost ?

[@glenmccormack3293]

Does have tow/haul button on the truck it should and it help ur rpm while hauling or towing.

[@tomstarcevich1147]

It helps when towing 👍🛥

[@dezmod1644]

My 4.7 blew up towing my trailer, new engine, still cheaper than a new truck

[@michaelatkins9780]

Pentastar makes no torque down low, has to be over 4000rpm to make advertised 260ftlbs . Short stroke,small displacement N/A.

[@dor1tomcswagger69]

Doesn't the pentastar have 90% of the torque available at 1800rpm? Or am I looking at the wrong graph

[@michaelatkins9780]

Yes the graph is correct. You ever drive one? It's never going to be near 1800 when working. I was clumsily referring to the tranny trying to keep the usable torque at 4000 thru 5500 but , past 5200 the torque drops off and hp goes up thru 6500ish.

[@dor1tomcswagger69]

@@michaelatkins9780 I've driven a couple and they aren't much slower than my ram hemi and they feel a lot lighter with the front end the cars I've driven with the pentastar were actually quick as well but yes at 4500 does feel a bit sluggish but this video it's not the high revs it's the torque converter locking and it's not switching gears at low rpms which is for keeping trans temps stable

[@Wkennard10]

Can y’all do this same test with a 4Runner?? Basically same capacity

[@Saf-T-Vision_C2]

and yet everyone always gives crap to the Pentastar 3.6L but yet people put them to the test to fail them and they always get the job done

[@HowtowithPaulHenderson]

So where is this mountain at looks pretty nice

[@shitloveaduck]

Keep right,,,, please!!!

[@1guyin10]

Sounds like a ralley race. ...speedo says 7 mph... 🤣. The Pentastar got it done though. Considering the tall gearing it's actually kind of impressive!

[@freedomisntfree_44]

Yeah, always see the top dog engines but never the small little base work trucks 🤙🏽

[@r5LgxTbQ]

try the same thing in an F-150 Lightning

[@ramiromateo6799]

Do it with the ford f150 with the 3.3l v6 please

[@danielnation9123]

Andrew said downshift manually that would be funny with the knob.

[@Ryan-719]

I know exactly where this is. Ha ha this is a fun road.

[@TheTopGun920]

This trail is probably the most important test on the channel. But if the truck goes into overdrive while you're flooring it, you need to know when to manually downshift to save the engine and transmission. Trying to go uphill in overdrive at 2000rpm is a truck killer.

[@rysterstech]

What he should have done is put in low range

[@jamesonpace726]

My gawd, such drama....

[@regsparkes6507]

and for what! :)

[@frankmartin1325]

Oh Dear A Deer!!

[@jmc6000]

Wow that 3.6 is just gutless down low and that is one of my biggest issues with the 3.6 Pentastar. This engine is so gutless till about 4k then it finally wakes up.

[@tomstarcevich1147]

Not really 3 .55 gears make a difference when towing I tow all the time with mine

[@jmc6000]

@@tomstarcevich1147 The 3.6 is still a gutless wonder even with 3.55 gears

[@dor1tomcswagger69]

​@@jmc6000 90% of the torque is available at 1800rpm for a NA V6 that's impressive I wouldn't say it's gutless just not as much torque as a V8

[@cjsteele9594]

Mine has 355 gears, it makes a huge difference

[@RyanRKJ]

Hmm, low on torque below 3,500 RPM, but at least the temperatures stayed reasonable.

[@FranklinHicks-qs4gs]

Why was I so tense just watching this. Woooof

[@regsparkes6507]

Later,.. Hi Honey, I'm home, phew, what a day at work today! 😄

[@wd8545]

My 2000 GMC 4.3 Reg Cab short had a 5th wheel in it before I got it. Im like why 😂

[@jimboh8591]

What is the axle ratio?

[@donnellmays7596]

Temperature wasn't the same 67 degrees vs 90 plus

[@pjn768]

More of reason for a turbo at high elevation

[@tylerproctor4878]

Wow i feel better about my ram pulling my boat. Its a similar truck. Quad cap with no chrome package. Other than that they are the same. Only i got mine for 6k less than you did 🤔🤔🤔

[@robertpulliam9973]

At 68 degrees and you’re using A/C you must be really hot blooded.

[@ALMX5DP]

I can see that if the sun is out as the small cab means you're a bit more directly exposed to the radiation. I'd personally probably not have AC on but have the fans a bit higher, however given they are filming they probably dont want background fan noise (or as mentioned with the wildfires, keep recirc on with AC to avoid smoke coming in).

[@CACressida]

I knew I should've watched paint dry.

[@firebry23]

No mS. tRuCk. Thank god

[@e-maticgaming13]

What’s the gear ratio for the rear?

[@LotsOfPaypa]

Let me know when you do this at 90 degrees

[@TheCarCrazyGuy]

Never send in a V6 to do a V8's job.

[@tomstarcevich1147]

I do all the time you don't always need a gas guzzling V8 😮

[@TheCarCrazyGuy]

@@tomstarcevich1147 then your V6 is going to get smoked quickly

[@HeavenBoundSaint777]

3.6 is a great engine, very capable. 305 horsepower

[@robertannable9584]

What truck failed this route? What truck went into limp? I want to see

[@cwsill]

Chevy Silverado

[@kingelvis7035]

@@cwsill I think it was like 100F though.

[@shitloveaduck]

Pretty good for the little fella. That 3.6 is just so weak. Not unlike in the Gladiator when you did the Super Ike with it and a 3.6. Less than 5000 lbs is kinda ok, but in the Gladiator the diesel shines. How have your detailer/s scratched the lens of the gauges so bad already? For some reason that plastic is so soft it scratches really easy. I have had luck with a lightly dampened perfectly clean micro towel. Hope it helps. Thanks Andre & Paul!

[@justinrank8662]

What trial were you driving up? That’s gorgeous

[@blazodelic359]

MPG?

[@Chris-ut6eq]

I'm just happy to see work truck testing. I know you make your channel $$$ on the luxury trucks but those are just modern El camino cars with open bed. Better to manually control vehicle, then just floor it when it will not downshift appropriately. Need to keep the engine in the higher torque area. Plus this was only 5k? This is easy mid-size truck or suv zone.

[@joshc606]

Heavy truck with a small engine and no torque

[@michaelmeyers1827]

25 mph?

[@LotsOfPaypa]

Who is the jerk that scratched up the gauges? That would drive me nuts!!!

[@paulmadkow9143]

The truck is curious?