2024 Ford Ranger Raptor vs GMC Canyon AT4X: Which Is The Real Killer Off-Roader?

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[@jgelliot]

Yikes

[@JustSomeGuyAroundTown]

You need therapy if you think this is good sponsor. No 13 year old girls watching.

[@georgeborders9686]

Betterhelp is a scam. There are videos about it.

[@2cooltek]

BetterScam you mean. Disappointed you all are taking their money to help them steal data and cause harm to people.

[@diltzm]

Better Hell is a $hitty service that preys upon people when they need help the most.

[@is6566]

Is TFL doing the Therapy ad as pro bono benefit to its subscribers to help them when they get depressed that they can’t afford any of these trucks? 😍

[@marklihsu]

More like the taco owners who get ripped off and don't even get access to a V6 or front lockers 🤣

[@tejasflo7076]

😂

[@RocksNRuts4]

or buyers remorse

[@chownzi2461]

Andre drove right into the snow bank when he could've taken a different line and made it

[@amalfi460]

He is a very cautious driver he didn’t want to roll off the cliff even though he had 12 feet of room left lol 🐥

[@yissibiiyte]

Still think it's weird that the Ranger gets a front locker while no version of the F150 does

[@blueridge8992]

Might have something to do with the Ranger being designed for the global market. There’s a very competitive midsize truck market in Australia. Maybe the other brands offer front lockers there, so the Ranger had to have one too.

[@guentherwilke2055]

The Ranger shares the front diff with the Bronco, and that has a front locker fully validated. This greatly lowered the engineering and cost and parts complexity.

[@reallyemptypockets6509]

Why is the Ranger Raptor 59k, and the Bronco Raptor 95k🤔

[@Anonymous-jj9yu]

@@reallyemptypockets6509money hungry

[@RickActual]

While it’s not a locking diff, the F-150 Tremor and F-150 Raptor used to have Torsen limited slip differential as an option. Unfortunately, I think they’ve taken that option away from the F-150 Tremor.

[@outcast1sub7]

For the complaint about hood sticks, I much rather have a hood stick than the alternative. They don't break.

[@rockymountainjazzfan1822]

I fully agree. You seldom see a failed hood prop rod on a vehicle, but the hydraulic hood struts will always fail over time. One of my older vehicles has hydraulic hood struts and I've replaced them 3 times over the last 10 years. The seals in them just tend to start leaking after a few years.

[@tboneforreal]

As someone who has had a hood fall on my head after the struts failed, I agree. LOL

[@Cloud30000]

Yup, same with the rear hatch on SUV’s and glass on truck caps; having a stick to hold it open is much better and more reliable then struts that fail after a couple years.

[@vw1610]

It’s sucks when you’re working in the engine bay.

[@anthonyantoine9232]

They don't break, but I've had them rust, in which case you're stuck there holding the hood open trying to spray WD40 in the joint so that it can rotate up. You're in basically the same scenario either way. I like hood struts, personally. They're convenient and I've never personally had a problem with them, but I have with a stick.

[@Ant_carr]

Nathan and Andre are by far the best pair for videos on tfl

[@heathcolwell9190]

Couldn't agree more. I'd rather mix poison ivy in my salad than watch Roman.

[@TheWinterfan]

When the adults (Roman) are away, the kids (Andre and Nathan) will play!

[@JonBecker81]

I just got back from taking our 2 door bronco samsquanch to Colorado and did some of these passes. I’m from Alabama and man you guys have it made out there! These videos really don’t do these roads justice on how rocky, scary and beautiful these passes are. It was amazing and I was so sad when I saw the last mountain in my rear view mirror heading back east.

[@guentherwilke2055]

Its still interesting to me that GM was first to put a factory midsize on 35's- not Toyota, even though the new Tacoma fits them easier than ever, not Jeep, although 35's fit basically stock and the Wrangler has them as a factory option.

[@trailrunnah8886]

Not surprised at all that Toyota hasn't offered 35s, they still refuse to even offer a proper all-terrain. And yeah, would have been a no-brainer for Jeep. I'm actually surprised that the Raptor didn't come with 35s from Ford. If someone had asked me, I would have predicted Ford would have been the first with 35s.

[@JonBecker81]

@@trailrunnah8886apparently the Ranger has 4.27 gears on it. 35 would be perfect for that. It’s really stupid that it didn’t come with 35’s. They’ll probably offer that as an option next year and charge an extra $5k for 2 more inches of tire.

[@overlandv10]

I’m with you on spare in the bed of the GMC. I just recently bought a 24 AT4X. I would have bought the AEV version if it wasn’t for the spare in the bed. That was literally the only reason I went AT4X over the AEV. But I am so far super happy with the GMC. It’s a pleasure to drive and has enough power and capability for what I wanted it for. As far as why I didn’t go for the ranger, it just isn’t nearly as good looking of a truck as the GMC.

[@AHungryHunky]

I actually like the spare in the bed. I used to keep the spare to my ZR2 S10 in the bed because the crank for the spare under the bed was seized up and fused together with rust. 31 inch spare took up the whole bed on that little truck and eventually found a, custom mount, in the cab behind the seats when I got tired of taking it out to haul things.

[@michaelhoffman8309]

Yeah not sure that is a great spot for it . All the money they spent designing it and no better option for it ?

[@Norwisco]

That canyon at4 is a sweet lookn truck

[@pablomax9376]

For my money, I would stick with the Ford, but man, that GMC looks fantastic.

[@youngsoin9125]

Lol I’m actually the opposite. I would stick with the GMC. However, I also think a lot of the electronic aids are not needed. I’d rather save money on a lower trim level with the comfort options I want, then spend a few grand on some shocks and a long travel kit.

[@TheZR2Kid]

@@pablomax9376 You could get the Chevy Colorado ZR2 Bison for $60,000 Msrp!

[@vincefairleigh6899]

@@youngsoin9125we think the same, except I’d go raptor because it’s got more suspension travel and no need to modify anything, where the Chevy has the least suspension travel in its class, imagine less travel than a Tacoma.. I’d love a raptor without electric nonsense

[@youngsoin9125]

@@vincefairleigh6899 I wish GM would’ve used King’s or Fox’s instead of the multimatics. But I thought the Colorado and Canyon had about half and inch or so more travel in the front and 1 and a half in the rear. At least on the ZR2/AT4X

[@ryanb8736]

After looking at both, I hated the 4 cylinder and hate the plastic interior in the GMC. The gmc looks the best on the outside, but the interior and engine made me never want it. The 4 cylinder sound gave me high anxiety. The Raptor has an awesome engine. The interior is very premium and comfortable. They give you a lot more for your money. In comparison, you can tell GM cut costs big time.

[@joshz7712]

When i get my Ranger Raptor, there's a kit you can get that replaces the factory side steps with the factory side steppes but they don't hang down an extra inch. Their almost flush with the truck. Helps a lot with breakover and less side steppes hitting. Im also going to do the pre runner kit (front and rear bumpers) to help with approach/departure angles as well as hopefully relocating the trailer componets. Id do this with any truck. My RR preference is based off of the 2019 Raptor i had and the 2nd gen RR literally being a smaller version of it with front lockers.

[@TheBeatenPaths]

I'm a Ford guy at heart, but not truly brand loyal anymore.....I'd take the Canyon just the ground clearance. Re: the spare tire....I'm currently driving a '19 Ranger and I can't remember the last time I looked out the back window. And I've got my spare tire laying in my bed right now.....the only thing worse than getting a flat tire is having to F around getting the spare down from underneath the truck.

[@is6566]

Truer words never spoken.

[@brandonbireley1690]

And why are we always in the mud when it happens??

[@TheBeatenPaths]

@@brandonbireley1690 When what happens?

[@kevinstarski1598]

@@TheBeatenPaths take a wild guess what he's referring to 🙄

[@alexmar1382]

I already drive the full size raptor and if the canyon was a v6, I'd consider it. But a 4 cylinder; nope. I'd rather just put 35" on the ranger raptor and call it a day even though it's unlikely I'll be doing any rock crawling.

[@WheresHerb]

I need therapy to deal with sticker shock . The price of these trucks are crazy. 😅

[@diesel6916]

Really first time I have heard this

[@javielito20021]

Cant wait until they are cheap truck steals in 5-6 years

[@martiawesome]

I know..might as well just buy a full size with that sticker

[@9663mu]

@@martiawesomewhat kind of full size ? And will have it have all the goodies these trucks do ? No they don’t. Educate yourself with this full size comment.

[@husshardan3511]

The thing is if you built up a truck to compete w these it would cost about the same, not have 405hp, would not be properly developed from the factory, and would not have a warranty. These are expensive trucks because they have some serious hardware. Now, compare that to the more expensive Taco which has none of it...

[@ryanolson8295]

Just made this choice, add vented seats, proper skids, 35s, winch capability to the ranger and you have the perfect truck, since those were missing I went with the GMC. And in Canada the raptor is $2k more than the GMC so going aftermarket doesn't make as much sense. Tucked tailpipes like on the GM 1500s would have been nice.

[@DavidFigs]

I just did Lower Argentine pass and @ 24:43 is exactly where I damaged my RR wheel. You guys need to check the lower section, the water crossing is ridiculous!

[@JoeMoutard]

That spare tire should be turned 90 degrees and remain behind the driver's head to minimize visual interference to the rear. Also, GM should be using a rearview camera instead of a traditional mirror for anything with a significant rear visual obstruction.

[@DougVandegrift]

I'm more of a rock crawler than high speed off roader. The Canyon would be my pick over the ranger, but I'd definitely need to relocate that spare tire...

[@rockymountainjazzfan1822]

Yep. Take a truck with a small bed, then eat up half of it with inefficiently located spare tire. Back in the day, it was common to mount the spare vertically in the pickup bed ahead of or behind of the wheel well. If it is mounted on the driver's side, it generally won't interfere with the driver's view out the back of the truck. Also, with the spare tire mounted that way, the tire can quickly be unbolted from the truck bed, and rolled off of the truck upright. The third common trick is to use the long bolt securing the spare tire to the truck to also secure a Handyman-type jack next to the spare truck tire (for old Colorado native guys like me, by the way, we always called a Handyman jack a "sheepherder's jack" because they were often carried on a sheepherder's wagon to jack the sheepherder's wagon up to put rocks under the wheels to level it).

[@stlc3415]

Great content, but you needed a base AT4X to compare with the raptor. I passed on the AEV version because of the tire and cost.

[@davidwethington9320]

I bought an AT4X also for those reasons. I wanted to use the bed. No regrets. It's been perfect so far. None of the issues from the first year.

[@PeakDecline]

If you're serious about off-road then you'll be putting steel bumpers and skid plates on anyway and they'll cost just as much as the AEV package. There's also already people on the forums showing you can infact fit the 35 under the body with a bit of work.

[@davidwethington9320]

@@PeakDecline I put a 2/1 lift on my AT4X and 35's. Barely touches the front under full articulation at full lock. Not enough to grab anything. Almost can't hear it. Very minimal trimming to fix it.

[@Papershields001]

I’ve got those wrangler territory tires on my bronco and it’s amazing the difference in ride off-road between 40 and 20 psi. Airing down is a world of difference.

[@weekendwarrior8179]

As soon as you said, GMC. ATX and EV. I knew that price was gonna be huge

[@rvboyett]

So really, the TFL guys went on a combination of Argentine Pass and McClellan Mountain. The toughest part of those trails are at the very beginning. This video shows that area at the end as they come down the trail, back to the paved road. The part where they were stuck in the snow is the final climb up McClellan Mountain. It's a narrow pass but very easy. Neither trail is super demanding. I've seen an unmodified Ford Edge, with good AT tires, make it to the top of McClellan. But there is an off shoot of of McClellan that has multiple water crossings and can get very challenging. My lifted Wrangler made short work of them but a mid sized truck is going to have challenges (though it can absolutely do it). For those that don't know, Argentine is near Georgetown, CO. There are some really good views up near the mine or the top of the mountain. It's also a good place to watch for Moose.

[@stevekniess3665]

They both are badass

[@remembermorrison]

Raptor is missing the transmission skid just like the Bronco. It is a plastic pan and owners should slap a skid plate on day 1!

[@is6566]

Also fuel tank.

[@remembermorrison]

@@is6566 fuel tank has a steel skid

[@is6566]

Ok tx. What about oil pan?

[@The-fs5wn]

@@is6566everywhere but the rear diff.

[@kruck96]

Why does everyone make such a big deal about the headlight controls? I haven't had to touch a headlight control in 15 years. Since I live on the east coast the GMC would be my pick. I think it looks better, has a nicer interior, and there are no places to "baja" here. If I lived out west I'd probably do the Raptor.

[@Deadset.zr2]

Dude ikr haha the zr2 headlight control is in a screen. But the raptors LOCKERS are in a screen that's way worse and when you put it in offroad mode it loads up a screen and takes forever and by default the locker is on so you need to wait for the screen to turn it off haha

[@is6566]

I like to control my headlights. Or lights in general. I always turn them on when start the vehicle and turn them off when stop driving. However, I agree the lockers being controlled by the screen is even worse.

[@kruck96]

@@is6566 nothing wrong with doing your own thing but I’m curious as to why you do that? Every vehicle has DRL on the front that are often as bright or brighter than headlights. The only scenario I could ever see for needing to manually control your headlamps would be fog. They come on automatically when it gets dark like tunnels and evening. They come on and off automatically when your wipers are on. Heck with all the cameras they may even respond automatically to fog.

[@XploreAz]

@@is6566haha why? Do you adjust your power seat every time you get in also? And move your mirrors? Just leave the lights in the auto position. Set it and forget it.

[@kevinstarski1598]

@@is6566 In your case, you shouldn't have to touch them/"control" them at all...just leave them in "on" position and they should turn off once you turn off the car, especially after you lock it

[@benjaminfallon1072]

GM & Ford should both be proud of these trucks. Well done. Good video TFL…man the scenery, Colorado is beautiful.

[@husshardan3511]

405hp. The BMW M5 had 400hp back in 2000! That was exotic stuff and did feel very fast! Now you get that in a Ford Ranger.

[@davidlawickiii882]

And they act like it's just enough. It's gotta be too much imho! I have a 5.7 GC and have never found myself in a situation which called for more power and I've towed a dual axle u-haul up and over the Rockies with it.

[@luthariii7827]

​@@davidlawickiii882That's nothing now, considering Ford just released a tune under warranty for the Ranger Raptor that now makes it 455hp and 536 lb feet of torque.... That's more altogether than the full size F150 Raptor, and the most lb feet of torque in the entire segment (even many full sized trucks) that have diesel engines... That's insane...

[@davidlawickiii882]

@@luthariii7827 agreed completely bonkers. Gotta be just for the marketing there's no way the platform can use all of that.

[@MarkPharaoh]

The non AEV version would be a better comparison, price wise. I’d take the RR

[@aymanlockhartable]

20:10 put your seat belt back on! More like, “ We ride together. We die together. TFL boys for life.”

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

You could have done your test on Argentine Route B. Deeper water crossings, and a Rock Crawl section. Looks better on video and does not put the trucks st risk. My trail guide shows that route.

[@lego4virgo]

I think these trucks are built for two different purposes. The Ranger Raptor is more of a 'fast, Baja-style' truck, whereas the GMC Canyon is happier crawling up rocky surfaces etc. Either way--the price of both is too much for me to justify.

[@KNRS927]

I rememeber the days when the Ford F150 Raptor was in this price range and cost about 50-60k. Good old times.

[@casper24ism]

Or you don't make enough to enjoy life.thars a possibility

[@Dusdaddy]

True that. And you can only Baja in certain parts of the country, so the GMC was the smarter manufacturer's choice. Of course, so many of these will never hit roads as tough as this video so it doesn't really matter.

[@lego4virgo]

@@casper24ism Oh, I make enough--I just can't justify it in my head to pay a large payment on a depreciating asset. I'm sure you're okay with your 2.7L Ford Bronco-or is a 2.3L?, but I'll stick with my '20 Escape for now.

[@lego4virgo]

@@Dusdaddy Probably a small lift, and the Raptor would be fine crawling the rocks like the Canyon.

[@kevinkollmansberger9229]

I’d like to see y’all measure the ground clearance in different areas under the vehicles. The manufacturer’s measurements aren’t from the same areas and it’s hard to tell. I’m running 35’s on my second gen tundra and at my diff, I’m at 10.5”. Granted my rear diff is larger than the Colorado’s, but where do they measure from?

[@davidd8892]

I grew up in colorado and you have no idea how many times we got stuck in snow and or snow banks, they look small, you try and drive thru it and they get frozen and soon as the weight is on it you break thru down to the axels, one time we had a 78 ranger tied to a 83 bronco to pull out a 96 1500... it took forever and was intense but 3 of us teenagers got it out in about 2 hours, best time ever was to be had growing up in the mountains

[@TihsonToo]

They are both awesome trucks, I love the looks of the GM twins. The big draw of the GM trucks is having more comfort features that the Ford decided to axe or omit, things like vented seats that even entry level cars offer. But their tech focus is a huge turn off, especially after their chief engineer claimed the infotainment system was "bug free." Also can't get over the fact that Ford had a global chassis that they brought to the U.S. but then got rid of rear seat HVAC and gave the truck a smaller gas tank but still charged a premium. Seems like cost cutting for basic comfort/convenience features for no reason other than profits.

[@ryankunkel8247]

Even entry level cars offer ventilated seats? lol. $60K plus BMWs rarely offer vented seats. It's by no means a standard option

[@TihsonToo]

@ryankunkel8247 They absolutely do, you don't have to go buy a BMW to get vented seats. Go get yourself a Kia Forte GT or GT-Line trim, MSRP at $22-25k and you can option in vented seats. Heck, you could buy 2 Kias with vented seats for the price of that BMW.

[@ryankunkel8247]

@@TihsonToo I think the Korean automakers are the exception. Which should be standard industry wide for their safety features too. You see some Ford F150’s for $55-60K with cloth seats (ridiculous pricing). My wife’s Suburban only has heated. Just saying it’s not a standard feature and in many manufacturers it’s only on top trims. That said, it should be on the Ranger Raptor.

[@heathcolwell9190]

@@TihsonToo I don't know one single person that owns a Kia. If you want to talk about "standard" car features, I don't know that going to the jankiest brands helps your argument. It wasn't that long ago you could "buy one kia for $10,000 and get a second one, free!"

[@TihsonToo]

@heathcolwell9190 So you used the anecdotal logical fallacy to claim "I don't have experience with something, therefore it's not valid" and dig up a 3+ week old comment instead of, you know, just googling another car. You can go get yourself a Chevy Malibu 2LT for $32k with standard vented seats. Or you can go get a Ford Escape for about $38k with vented seats. Surely you know people that own a Ford or Chevy. Go wipe the slobber off the corners of your mouth and Stan for your favorite car brand somewhere else.

[@TheZR2Kid]

I want yall to know the Chevy Colorado bison MSRP’s as $60,000 vs Ranger Rapter $57,000.

[@JacobVanderaegen]

In Canada the AT4X AEV is starts at $82,000 where the ranger raptor starts at $80,000 so they are pretty much the same price.

[@applebitefool]

You can drive on the road for hours at 20psi without issues and going from 30-20 psi makes a huge difference offroad. Ask me how I know 😆 I run 35s on non beadlock wheels for years. air down to 10 psi for the trails and usually only air back up to 20psi till I get home to my real air compressor. For the snow, beadlocks become crucial cause going down from 10 to 5 psi again improves traction exponentially

[@chublez]

Just get a good compressor for the truck. My 12v airs all 4 in like 2 minutes after I made a multi tire hook up. NAPA Part #: BK MTWM10215C there's a AAA discount if you have it.

[@DavidFigs]

Not a bad way to wake up Wednesday morning.. some RR TFL content!!

[@hondrta]

The host to his woman: “Show a tiny bit of Spinach.”….. “Ooo baby now show me the roast beef”. On a serious note, Motor Trend could really use some hosts like these. Love this channel. Good video DOODS!

[@jamesvegas702]

“put your seatbelt back on son” lol

[@rokuth]

The Ranger Raptor also has a more usable truck bed because there is no spare tire in the bed as compared to the Canyon AT4X.

[@TheLumberJacked]

AT4X AEV edition specifically. The AT4X non-AEV edition has the spare mounted under the bed like normal.

[@RGP_WA]

That damn spare tie location! Are u kidding?

[@Offshore1977]

It’s the most effective of placemat in the bed. Secondly when off road it is the most convenient to get to if you get a flat.

[@wolfgang_h3t]

​@@Offshore1977 the most convenient would be a swingate on the bumper

[@mikeaiken4330]

GM, Please add the fog light control to the lighting control shortcut on top of the screen.

[@Offshore1977]

GMC Canyon AT4X is my dream truck

[@darwonboyful]

Dam that canyon is really cool. I'm happy to see something finally come along that actually presents a little bit of competition tp the raptor.

[@Name-kd5jj]

I'm a Chevy guy but I'd probably pick the Ford for 1 reason. V6. Yeah you can get a lot of power with a high boost 4 banger but you'll never get the smoothness and refinement. A 4 cylinder will always feel rough, cheap and overstressed.

[@davidwethington9320]

It's an inline though. So it's pretty smooth. It's also based off of a diesel. It's over built, especially on the bottom end to handle more power. Overall it's been really good.

[@dtlusk24]

Love the scenery you all share. Honestly could careless about what you drive up there!! Great video team 😊😊

[@Softroad_Adventures]

Please compare the standard Colorado ZR2 with the Ranger raptor. The price is much closer and they have the same size tires!

[@craigquann]

Start showing the Nissan Pro-4X more love. I know it's last years model, but it's solid, good looking and cheaper than the competition.

[@mikeyfromthablock1158]

i absolutely love my ranger raptor i didnt think i would as much but i do

[@wallylama31]

I like both trucks, but I'd still rather have a Super Duty and tow or haul a SXS for serious off-roading.

[@is6566]

Non road legal vehicles are not allowed on a lot of trails in AZ or CA, according to signs I saw posted.

[@rockymountainjazzfan1822]

@@is6566 Same in Colorado. However, in Arizona, an ATV or UTV can be licensed, with some restrictions, as a highway motor vehicle. Same in some Utah counties, all of Wyoming, and all of South Dakota. When I lived in Wyoming some years back, a co-worker rode his street-licensed ATV to work every day, all on paved streets in town--perfectly legal there. Not so in the now full Socialist state of Colorado.

[@is6566]

So, what if you are a South Dakota resident or Washington resident (you can license them there too) and go to Colorado? You have SD or WA license on your ATV. Would that be allowed on Colorado trails?

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@wallylama31 when it’s 110F in moab, it’s nice to have AC and ventilated seats

[@rockymountainjazzfan1822]

@@is6566 ATVs and UTVS can be operated on Colorado National Forest and BLM roads without "street" licensing, but generally not on county roads that are not also National Forest or BLM roads, and never on state or federal highways. A few locales allow ATVs and UTVs to use town streets if the streets are used to access National Forest or BLM trails. Farmers and ranchers, as in many states, may get some exemptions allowing them to use ATVs and UTVs on "regular" roads in conjunction with their farming and ranching operation. It's complicated. Arizona is one of the few states with almost unlimited ATV/UTV use on roads or highways if the ATV or UTV is Arizona-licensed as a regular motor vehicle. Before I moved out of Colorado, there was a lot of controversy as to whether an Arizona ATV or UTV licensed as a motor vehicle could be legally operated on Colorado streets and highways under state reciprocity license recognition rules. I don't know how that turned out.

[@nlken7175]

AT4X AEV is an real offroad truck. Raptor is a desert runner. Funny thing they are the same price here in Canada

[@casper24ism]

Lol so tell me what makes a real offroad truck.the only thing is different is clearence.and it's not that big of a difference.the ranger can go absalutly anywhere that gmc can go

[@is6566]

@casper… Sure the Ranger can go almost anywhere where the AEV GMC can go, it just doesn’t come back from a bunch of those places because of ruptured oil pan or fuel tank not having skid plates or comes back missing a plastic bumper here and there or the door doesn’t open because it doesn’t have rock sliders and the rocker panel was crashed. I said almost anywhere because it will be kind of hard at some places without a winch which the AEV makes possible because you know, steel front bumper. So no, the Ranger isn’t even close.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@is6566 You can pretty easily put skid plates and 35's on the Ranger. Those tires that are on the GMC are cheap as hell. I put them on my LX570 and got a set of 5 for $850 new. Full steel skid plating for the engine, transmission, transfer case and fuel tank should be about $1100. Again, I just put them on my LX. Im pretty sure the GMC "sliders" are still body mounted just like the running boards on the Raptor. Im not sure how they offer much protection. I would rather have the better foundation with the 3.0L Ecoboost, 10 speed, 4.27 axle ratio(not the hilariously crap 3.42's in the GMC), and long travel 5 link rear suspension and other nice stuff and worry about paying for some tires and skids, then have a truck with a crappier foundation to build off of. I've test driven a Colorado ZR2 on the smaller 33" tires and was pretty disappointed with the powertrain. It felt really weak to me at elevation in UT. Also remember that the AEV edition is at least $10000 more than the Raptor. So you have a whole bunch of money to spend to upgrade the Raptor to even get close to the price of the AEV.

[@XploreAz]

@@casper24ismhaha good joke.

[@ryankunkel8247]

@@is6566 Nice grifting. The Canyon is no different than the standard ZR2 or AT4X and you'll probably say those are more capable than the Ranger? The type of scenario you laid out would apparently wreck a Rubicon too, so how dare anything other than a AEV or Bison variant try. Yeah the armor is nice but that's the ONLY difference for a $10K plus markup. Ground clearance? Ok, add 35's to the Ranger. Same thing. Canyons leafs, lower payload, and I4 are all major drawbacks the Ranger doesn’t have.

[@4vinylsound]

Give me Gm all day long. 3 years ago I purchased a silverado worktruck this year I just purchased the Colorado trail boss very happy. Was gonna get a Ford but the axle was rusty before I even purchased it from the dealership so I canceled the deal and went to GM.

[@mazzen79]

You should air down a lot more... In a trail like this and with the KO3, I recommend 20 PSI in the front and 18 PSI in the rear.

[@toddh4491]

As always a relevant test and you two make a comical / well versed pair.

[@DeuceDeuceBravo]

Other than being cheap, are there any advantages to leaf springs in 2024? Honest question.

[@JerryRichards-l1d]

leafs can handle heavier loads, but they lose in just about any other category from ride comfort, performance, noise, and stress on the shocks.

[@AHungryHunky]

"The spare is under the bed where it belongs" Not here where they dump more salt on the roads than we get actual snow. You keep that spare there and when you need it thats where it will stay. Salt likes to mix with the rainwater and runoff and get into just about every crevice it can, that tire will be locked in place if you are not constantly dropping it and cleaning all that out.

[@JasonWh]

As a very experienced regular offroader, this is kind of painful to watch. Use the damned lockers BEFORE you get in trouble. What's the penchant for waiting? Take the Factor 55 offroad training course gents, it will give you the confidence you need.

[@MrGrantSDavis]

The point is to see the capabilities of the trucks, not necessarily make the trail as easy as possible right off the bat. Find the limit, then make it more capable, find the limit, make it more capable, and on and on.

[@IKnewMickey]

How are these 2.7L GM engines holding up?

[@371kenny]

They've fixed the lifter issue. I'd just make sure to use fuel cleaner every other tank.

[@youngblood23rb]

They have had injector issues and 14 or so 2023s had a cracked block issue

[@Deadset.zr2]

I haven't heard of any issues they've been running them for a long time now. Fleet trucks work trucks dailys there's over 10 million miles on these now

[@The-fs5wn]

@@Deadset.zr2MY ASS. 10 million miles? No original motor can go remotely close to that far except maybe a military vehicle.

[@Deadset.zr2]

@@The-fs5wn combined.

[@jhb3711]

Hey guys. The 2024 GMC Sierra AT4 HD has been running k03 tires since its release date back in 2023.

[@LuckyD777]

I'm surprised they didn't give you guys the one with the hydraulic bumpstops Also as someone that owns a zr2 you can definitely fit a 35 tired under the truck, that's where mine goes

[@skipgumphrey9579]

Cool stuff, but at those prices I’m in zero danger of parting ways with my 20yo Toyota truck which still runs great despite the 300,000 miles !

[@craigstark2712]

The ONLY reason I don't easily like the Canyon the most is that engine and 8-speed. GM, please offer something larger for a small premium!

[@JohnSmith-zi9or]

My RR as of yesterday is now in transit. It's been in production since March!

[@scottdetter]

Not too bad. I ordered my 2024 Raptor R in April, ETA is April 2025!

[@JohnSmith-zi9or]

​@@scottdetter It was ordered last year. But yeah, this is ridiculous.

[@JohnSmith-zi9or]

@@scottdetter Update. I've had it for 4 days now. I love it. Although I am still in the break in process and I'm being really easy on it.

[@scottdetter]

@@JohnSmith-zi9or that’s cool. How many miles on the odometer?

[@JohnSmith-zi9or]

​@@scottdetter 290

[@matthewmery3027]

Like the channel been watching since the hot wheels Silverado. You should throw buying and building older vehicles from 90’s- 2010’s in the mix.

[@greyrushgreen]

"Put your seatbelt back on, son!" haha "I am all that is man!" lol .... Nathan was having fun out there. Moving to Cal he might miss the Colorado mountains, and his truck buddies.

[@is6566]

A year in California and he will become an EV enthusiast. I think it’s the water. 😃

[@Cloud30000]

It’s not the water, it’s the insane gas prices they have 🤑

[@Tiovergudo]

Compare the ranger to the base zr2. Better value

[@Deadset.zr2]

Yea the midsize market is silly all the creators are just jumping at doing comparisons and stuff but always don't use the trucks that actually compete. The zr2 still competes with everything while still being the cheapest

[@youngblood23rb]

Dynamic Duo! Well done

[@saltymofo5870]

Both trucks pretty capable, the real question is which man is the biggest dork?

[@blakevernon2228]

I’d probably go for the ford just because of the power and price. GMC looks better, has better ground clearance and better options. And let’s face it, hardly anyone taking these off road.

[@LPM84.]

Crazy information about the hood support stick lol! The previous gen colorado came with 2 hood struts on the left and right side that held the hood open. Kinda crazy that they skimped out on them. Also.....the fold down rear seat back in the gm Twins as well.

[@AutoDidactHD]

Why don't you all just pack an "off-road" bag/bin and then you never forget to bring anything? Airing down using your keys has to be the most painful thing of the day right?

[@madchiller1985]

I vastly prefer the styling on the Ford and its simpler interior

[@cap10newport95]

It should be illegal for headlight controls to be hidden on a touchscreen that can glitch

[@NatesHomeTours]

2:23, What's with the loose wires in the raptor? How about since they are performance trucks they give us what we want, a V8? If money wasn't the factor, GMC for me.

[@curtis4925]

Which wires? Are you talking about the 2 under Andre’s hand? If so some ones had pulled that out, that is factory wiring for additional after lights, so putting a light bar on is literally just connect to those wires.

[@Teddyatlastwobrsincells]

If money isn’t a factor you can just swap one in easy if you have money. Cry babies over a ship that has already sailed

[@Jay-me7gw]

I think that the GM 2.7L cuts power and torque significantly at altitude despite being turbo'd. I test drove a ZR2 in Salt Lake City at 4500' and it DID NOT feel like it had 430 ft-lbs of torque. I had an old 2014 F150 on 35's that weighed 1400 lbs more and only made 420 ft-lbs, and felt stronger than the smaller, lighter, smaller tire ZR2. I also test drove a Jeep Gladiator Ecodiesel at 6500' and that also felt much torquier than the ZR2. I've tuned Ford Ecoboosts for about 4 years now and know that the Ford does not cut power at higher elevation on any of the more recent motors.

[@rockymountainjazzfan1822]

It depends on how the turbo is engineered. If the turbo is oversized and waste-gated, it will maintain power and torque at higher elevation. If the turbo isn't, it may not have enough reserve capacity to boost to "below sea level" pressure at high elevation. My 2012 Ford 6.7L diesel Super Duty's turbo was large and calibrated to start boosting significantly immediately when the engine came off idle--it ran at 12K ft. elevation like it was at sea level at any RPM above idle. Also, small turbo inline 4 cylinder engines have scant low-RPM torque just like a non-turbo inline 4 cylinder engine until the turbo is boosting. The two ways to get low-RPM torque in a non-turbo engine are either a longer piston stroke, and/or more displacement. Both will generally cause lower fuel economy.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@rockymountainjazzfan1822 I understand how it works. I live at 6500' and have been tuning Ecoboost trucks for years. Turbos are all wastegated on gasoline trucks otherwise they would be overboosting all the time. Its not like a diesel that can run a 20 psi just cruising because it doesnt care about the air/fuel ratio. But why have a turbo motor if its not going to maintain all or most of its power at high elevation? I'm sure you have seen the videos where the 2.7L is slower than the 2.3L Ranger. So that massive 430 ft-lbs and 315hp seems to be dropping down to less than the 270 hp that the Ranger makes at a measly 5200' of elevation. Thats a huge hit. It almost responds like an NA motor. And that was exactly how it felt when I test drove it.

[@aaronbritt2025]

Nathan, hood props NEVER fail. Hood struts do. Just saying.

[@ALMX5DP]

They dont fail suddenly though, usually it's a progressively more sluggish operation for quite some time before they eventually have insufficient pressure to lift up. But at least that means someone has plenty of time to recognize the need for a replacement and source and install it before it stops working.

[@wolfgang_h3t]

I've had hood props fail more than struts honestly

[@a456987]

Andre is pretty good at the chicken noises 😂

[@Monoman2345]

Gonna miss Nathan driving the trucks the way they were meant to be in Colorado while he is in Cali!

[@planoman0935]

Great video and two great looking trucks!

[@TFLoffroad]

Thank you very much!

[@javiermaldonadodedios2294]

I would choose de GMC, and find another solution for the spare tire, definitly. Cheers!

[@richardroberts6472]

34.4 is the tire size on the gmc btw

[@tazeat]

Both of these are awesome. They're everything I want in a hunting rig truck, but damn is there a price tag. I just hope people buy them, I don't have the coin sitting around for one, but man I want more of them to exist.

[@doublehh666]

Came to watch the truck comparison. Stayed to watch because of the Rush world tour baseball jersey.

[@SuperDagbo]

You two guys are great. I love this video. GREAT JOB!!!!!!

[@fredycampos946]

@TFLfoffroad you guys should make a video with different off-road obstacles with the GMC canyon at4x and the ford ranger raptor and the toyota tacoma trailhunter

[@shaolin224]

True..for prices nowadays struts on the bonet should be mandatory. I was gonna say, who made Roman walk up the hill with ranger😅..luckily it was a younger fella

[@christopherwoodyatt38]

I wish I could get a true front locker for my trail boss. The front auto locker does work very well and it has got me out of mud but I really wish that I could get a front rear and transfer case locker without having to spend over six figures......

[@christopherwoodyatt38]

I will admit the rear locker in my truck and it's normal 4 / 4 high range work incredibly. Well, I just don't want to spend eighty five thousand dollars on a z r two that I can't even put three people in the front seat

[@kx8960]

I bought a "regular" 2024 ZR2, and plan to put 285/75/17's (OEM width but 34's) on the OEM wheels so I can still fit the spare under the bed (I've got to check, but there has to be 1/2 on a radius clearance), get aluminum skidplates for the rear diff and gas tank. And in the future MAYBE put a 2" lift on it and a cat-back exhaust and intakes system and mild tune. I'll have 90% of either for thousands less.

[@spencermorgan9108]

We even got the ko3 before gta 6

[@douglasquaid2548]

There is no grip benefit until you get to around 15 psi. Going from 36-30psi will not nothing. Airing down to 20 is fine for comfort.

[@turdferguson2839]

That GMC looks awesome but you can get a Colorado ZR2 for 50k and then add bigger tires if u want. 60k is just dumb for a little truck.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@turdferguson2839 it’s almost $70k 😂 And those tire they use are only like $900 for a set of 5, so it’s not even like it’s an expensive upgrade.

[@dereksutherland4300]

Would have loved this, or hopefully a future, side by side comparison to include the Tacoma Trailhunter or TRD Pro… Interested to hear how you believe they compete with one another in the future.

[@TheZR2Kid]

Only one here can do both rock crawl and desert race! (GMC)

[@Cloud30000]

Any truck can do desert race, but the Raptor still does it better; the AT4X AEV is underpowered for the weight and tires, and unlikely to be competitive in that regard. That’s true of any purpose-built rock crawler, where the engine is downgraded to reduce weight. Saying a rugged rock crawler is a desert racer is like saying it’s also a drag racer; sure, it can do it, but only poorly.

[@TheZR2Kid]

@@Cloud30000 I see your point however there are things that make the bison capable for both. The DSSV shocks are renown for being great at jumping, crawling, and street driving. Secondly, have you ever seen the real desert racers? They have huge tires like the bison has so they absorb bumps and get more traction. Honestly, there’s no way the bison with 310hp and 430 ft-lbs of torque is underpowered! That’s what power stats the halfton trucks have! I feel, what makes it maybe feel sluggish is Chevys throttle tuning. To fix this, one could buy a throttle programmer which cuts off the nannies. Another note, sure the Ranger Rapter theoretically with be faster than the bison, that doesn’t make the bison not a desert racer. Look at the Jeep Gladiator Mojave! Jeep says it’s a desert racer (😅) and it’s got less than 300 hp and torque while also having solid axles. In conclusion, I feel the bison is built for both desert racing and rock crawling because the design behind the ZR2 package , however, if you wanted to pick something to race against the Ranger Rapter more comparable get the Colorado ZR2 (or Cayon).

[@cliffordmontana4562]

The Raptor would absolutely SMOKE the GMC in a desert race. The GM 2.7 is way slower and sounds like trash. They aren’t even comparable.

[@TheZR2Kid]

@@cliffordmontana4562 Test it against the base ZR2. The bison is another level than the ranger Rapter. Also, it isn’t a drag race, it’s a desert race. This means speed is accomplished more than just raw power. So compare the ZR2 to the Ranger Rapter because they are more comparable than the bison to the Ranger Rapter. After comparing, if you still must have more power, take the $8,000 difference and make the zr2 to the power you want. Plus don’t forget the ZR2 has better clearances, looks and price then the RR.

[@cliffordmontana4562]

@@TheZR2Kid The 2.7 GM engine is a turd compared to the 2.7 Ecoboost, let alone the 3.0. It’s not close. I do like the looks of the GM twins a lot, but I don’t trust GM. Electronic issues galore, same as it’s always been. I’ve had electrical issues with every GM I’ve owned. And you could add 35s on the Ranger Raptor if you wanted to.

[@reggiehucks1010]

Could you air down the spare in the GMC and mount it underneath?

[@Cloud30000]

Airing down doesn’t decrease the tire size when there is no weight on the tire; the tire wall is rigid enough to maintain its shape. Besides that, if you deform it to fit underneath and leave it deformed for years, the deformations become permanent and it will not ride well at all over 10mph.

[@sunnyvalentino]

Will I need the Fox or DSS shocks to do my weekend Costco run, esp in the winter? Im willing to pay 20K in fuel costs over 60k miles for the reassurance. Might also impress a few ladies if the shocks are visibile.

[@Eightball2516]

I would take the gmc easier to work then that cluster of a ford engine bay and the gmc to me is just all around better the gmc is a more simple truck less crap to go wrong unlike the ford the shocks and all the other stuff is on the computer

[@casper24ism]

Lol look at the man that fancys himself a mechanic. You are clueless these engines are not engines the ave person can work on!

[@Drg24800]

Gladiator and Frontier will have much easier engines to work on

[@jerryrichards9107]

That's good considering how widespread the issues are on these new colorados.

[@Tony-hf9mv]

The Ranger raptor was never aired down at all. If you look at the sticker it will say 39psi

[@ryansheard8092]

As an all-around "truck", the Raptor wins. Payload, engine, capability, price....it's all there. For those saying to get the non-AEV addition of the Canyon; that's fine, but you then don't get the same ground clearance, bumpers and armor. It becomes a bit more of a true "Raptor" comparison and in that space, it's just far inferior in most regards.

[@is6566]

The ZR2 would be $10k less even at MSRP Ford dealer for the Ranger. Most Rangers are $20k more than a ZR2 because it starts $10k higher and then most dealers slap on an extra $10k for markup.

[@The-fs5wn]

@@is65667k and doesn’t start with nearly as many standard features. Raptor is fully loaded out of the box. And I must stress how much better Raptors ride and perform than any other trucks out there.

[@waitwatlol]

I want to see one of you guys (Nathan?) represent a budget option. Off-Road and towing. I guarantee that old Suzuki Samurai could have made it further than these *very* expensive options. Someone need to show these OEMs that they're out of reality with pricing. It could be that TFL helps them understand the value of offering an inexpensive option.