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[@kennethknight9911]

These videos are fantastic! just two guys riding around looking at trucks talking about different brands and prices. This is what makes TFL the best out there.

[@TFLtalk]

Glad you like them!

[@whodat1473]

@@TFLtalk just watched an old video of yours, what is sport plus mode?

[@johnsodx]

I love Andre’s reaction to “cruise control”.

[@tomcseh9952]

Did you guys ever check performance of Cummins after having reflashed for emmisions?

[@milspecrider]

$38k for a base Colorado????? Crazy, that’s full size pricing

[@leechburglights]

😂 not after Bidenomics

[@milspecrider]

This is greed, nothing to do with politics. Presidents beget greed now?

[@kabloosh699]

I wish it was. When it's 18 bucks for a big mac meal new vehicles are going to cost extra too.

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

Not when youre own tyrannical government goes to war against natural elements and oil

[@bettymaverick1098]

To much for a retired person.

[@trailrunnah8886]

The fact that Ram, and other automotive, and non-automotive companies for that matter, are able to just roll back prices like that show that it's not inflation, it's just been mostly greed.

[@thewireman134]

Its the value of the dollar that has gone down 30%. Just wait its only the beginning. Poor leaders just doing what they can to help us americans.. what are the chances, such bad luck this is happening under their watch

[@Kahless00]

38 for a basic ass 4wd mid size work truck. Should be 28k max. 2wd should be under 25k.

[@leechburglights]

Those days are long gone. In 2020 I was looking for a new full size truck. Found a Chevy WT base model locally for $29k. You could still find higher trim vehicle with more options for around $56k. Now the same truck is $70.

[@Creating_Space]

I feel so bad for Andre. That Colorado work truck for 38k had cruise control 😂

[@cpear760]

I'm really enjoying this new TFLtalk format where you guys are out in the field instead of the studio. Really helps keep me my attention.

[@haydenedwards3245]

Everywhere you go, truck prices are through the roof. I bought a 2024 Silverado 1500 Custom with 6 miles on it. After warranties and other things, I came out at 46k. Best deal I've found here in West Virginia

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

Get away from Denver and go to Kansas to get a deal.

[@usernameisusername]

There are no good prices used or new

[@bawintermage8351]

So true. Just a few years ago, 34K was a full sized Chevy Truck

[@johnmorris77]

@@bawintermage8351my dads avalanche cost 40k back in 2003 what are you talking about?

[@daleford62]

Three days ago purchased a 2021 f 150 XLT 302a + 20" wheels, Nav, Sport 4x4.... For 30k and I'm happy. Last truck purchased 1997.

[@user-ev5zt9dy5x]

Prices are crazy on new trucks! I bought a new 2022 Ford F-250 6.7 diesel tremor for $72k two years ago, now that same truck is close to $90k. I normally would sell my trucks when they got to a 100,000 miles but not anymore. I’ve made the decision to keep this truck forever so what I did was buy a basic Maverick for my daily driver. My local Ford dealer had over twenty Mavericks in stock and they were very willing to discount them, so for less that a Platinum Super Duty I have a Tremor and a Maverick! Thanks for all the great information you always provide!

[@jonathantempel1287]

The Jeep Gladiator's original factory warranty expired at 36k miles. It is 3 years or 36k.

[@perpelle]

Are two commercials the standard for these podcasts now?

[@mariomarez2223]

I agree about the crazy cost of trucks, but are you really surprised, when you compare groceries from 2019 to now!? It’s crazy inflation from greedy companies everywhere.

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

Blame your federal government government. When they keep printing billions upon trillions of new dollars, it drives up the price of everything...

[@LinusScrubTips]

Still overpriced. For reference, my Jeep Comanche base was $7000-8,000 new. Around 20k today. It’s not inflation, it’s greed.

[@user-cj6jo7ks2p]

It’s inflation and supply and demand period

[@leechburglights]

Auto makers settled in the fall for higher wages by factory production workers. Auto Workers got a raise. Where do you think that money comes from to increase their pay. It's still inflation.

[@Cloud30000]

$1000 for a trailering app in that Colorado work truck? What could the app possibly do to be worth that much?

[@hochhaul]

Probably part of a package that includes all the towing cameras, trailer wiring, etc.

[@Mike-te1xx]

Like your videos, don't stop. Saves me from going to the dealer and researching online. I originally was looking for a ranger, switched to a 150 and ended up with a 350 Lariat tremor ultimate. I would have ended up unsatisfied and trading the others. Your videos along with tk guided me to the right decision.

[@leechburglights]

Agreed. These vehicles change on a yearly basis. Definitely helps to see the landscape before making a choice.

[@trailrunnah8886]

If I recall correctly from the Chevy website, the work truck is a single speed transfer case. So you really do need to step up to the trail boss in order to get the low range. Trail Boss is a better value, if you order it correctly that is haha.

[@ohanachemdry808]

We just purchased a new2024 Chevy Express 3500 extended for 49,000. We bought the same van 2020 model year for 38,000....same every thing on it....a $11,000 difference....

[@jnmaher1967]

On location show is so much better than on the set. Great show.

[@Captain-Awesome]

Great Video Guys! These videos are most like we are all hanging out just checking things out!! Nathan I 100% agree that the Gladiator should be considered a truck.

[@grovermoore4071]

The point is totally missed. These prices are still too high. The reason Ford introduced the Maverick at 20k was because they know prices are out of control.

[@leechburglights]

It's a unibody truck on a car frame.

[@grovermoore4071]

@@leechburglights an Escape

[@qdog494]

You guys pointed out why I went with a HD. The XL/WT or the XLT is way more bang for your buck IMO

[@robertgarcia7782]

82,000 miles!? Someone bought a vehicle and drove it!? That’s insane!

[@RonnN-gf8tm]

That red work truck looked interesting Does need better tires thou

[@larrylucas5731]

Willys are 15k off here in OKC.

[@sarkisseywaz2127]

Please quit justifying the prices of the greedy truck dealers It does not work. There is no such thing as huge savings. Lol

[@atg1338]

I got 14 grand off a new 23 Silverado zr2 recently... I'd say 14g is huge... stop being a lil cry baby

[@leechburglights]

😂then don't buy new 😂

[@davila3989]

70 grand for 1500 sst ram is outrageous! Honestly all of us should do are best together as Americans and let these vehicles rote. Greed is the new normal in this country.

[@davila3989]

@@atg1338 14 grand off? What was out the door price

[@mikej5959]

Especially American brands. GM has lost their damn mind with that Colorado for 38K. May as well go get a Tacoma or a frontier. Frontier actually has some very high value on the used market.

[@tanneralston738]

Andre is such a good guy! He’s by far my favorite person on TFL! Haha so much passion! I’ve seen too many videos of the other guy completely bothered by Andre’s existence. It’s really cringe tbh

[@michaelkeyser8371]

When are you going to get the new Catipiller truck?

[@Greetings666]

I like the budget focused truck vids the best

[@rlaracue]

Very helpful video. Did Nathan just say he was moving to California?

[@ectofix8447]

Yes. He's opening a TFL location there. He sold his Santa Cruz and is driving TFL's old Ford Expedition there for the move.

[@andrewshenton6541]

Sorry guys but 38plus tax for an ugly base mid size work truck,insane,cant even laugh at it

[@leechburglights]

But $42k for a used 2020 F150 Lariat 5.0 with 12,800 miles is an awesome deal compared to $73k for a 2024. The point of the video was new vs used. And clearly there are deals to be had. People are avoiding new at this time because of this.

[@Cloud30000]

$42k for a 4-year old used half ton is still way too much money though; that should be more like $30-35k

[@hochhaul]

​@@leechburglightsbuying used is a massive risk. A lot of trucks were traded in because there are major issues and the owner got fed up and got rid of it. The dealer will dress it up good enough to make the sale buy if they couldn't fix it before, they haven't fixed it before rolling it onto the used lot.

[@leechburglights]

@@hochhaul Or buying used can be done when taking the vehicle for a pre purchase inspection with a mechanic you trust. In the past 30 years, I've only purchased used vehicles. None of them were a massive risk because I was informed. When I picked up the F150 in December, I crawled all around and under the vehicle. I took a flash light with me. I looked at everything. Services were completed and everything was up-to-date. The deals are out there if you're patient and diligent.

[@robervin9107]

15:48. Nate is dropping facts about Alex. Yasss thanks bud. I have been preaching that for a while. He’s incredible. Very underrated we must change that And thanks to your praises we are

[@fscottgray9784]

You can get some great deals on base model single cab GM full size. A Pro model GMC with LED headlights and many options can be had for around 40K in either short or long beds.

[@davidzavala337]

Single cabs trucks are nice. Sadly, people want the space.

[@snomass1]

40k 😂

[@JamesSusanka]

lmao cruise control. priceless nathan. you guys have too much fun to get paid.

[@Tundra-pw2cu]

The Chevrolet Silverado 2500 HD was the best buy as far as I am concerned.. More truck for the money /heavy duty and will do most anything you need it to.

[@GettingthruLife]

The pricing now isn't as of big a problem as it was last 2 years but the real nail in the coffin is the financing. Now, because of the USA's sad state of affairs with our countries upside down economy, financing/leasing vehicles now cost on average $200-300 more a month for tge same class of vehicles comoared to prior years. That's on the average vehicle for the average person. The $65-80,000 vehicles jumped up $450-500+ more a month. People financing these vehicles with $800 to 1,500 a month payments were insane, not thinking clearly and now over extended. The only way to truly get an above average deal now, its be a cash buyer. But how many people have $37-45,000 cash in hand for transportation? Some but not me or many Americans.

[@davidzavala337]

We make over $100k and only have a few hundred bucks to spare per month.

[@leechburglights]

The people who stopped using credit cards and paid off their loans and personal debt are the ones who can. There are more out there than you think. It can happen. I bought my Toyota 4Runner with cash in 2020 after negotiating the price to what I was willing to pay. Came out way ahead. Took me forever to get out of debt, but the sacrifice was so worth it.

[@jimmycline4778]

I payed about what Andre payed for my Colorado TB but DID get cruise control, power seat, damped tailgate with storage in TG

[@thomasbordi8726]

That truck is not holding gas its CEMENT. 😂

The 2011 Ranger will outlast almost everything else on that lot.

[@dtlusk24]

😊😊 going to miss Nathan doing these car lot shows with Andre. He's thinking the same thing i am but won't bite his tongue as the other try to be lil more reserved at how nuts pricing has become. Always enjoy the out and about segments team

[@nomoarrgames8954]

13k off msrp on a 1500 zr2 bison considered good?

[@PM_Doug]

The Colorado showing the difference in the two is perfect example of buying the lower model and cheaper to self up grade with after purchase. Even though the lower model Colorado is $6-8K over priced.

[@greywolfgarage5630]

They put the tiny tire on for fuel economy

[@J.Young808]

10:06 what if people don’t need the heft of the 2500? AEV makes 8 lug rims for heavy duty Rams they might for Chevy

[@1FiftyOverland]

👈 That's me. I wanted to see more Ranger Raptor videos offroad.

[@J.Young808]

11:53 I would have liked a ZR2 Bison Colorado diesel, that one you showed has too many miles.

[@dentman67]

Those light duty diesels are a nightmare. Shops will often not work on them. Do so research.

[@tinhinnh]

you dont need big tires on a work truck! and the tires look small becuase its a big hd truck!

[@TrevorVaubel]

Was that used Ranger 18K new!?

[@roguedogx]

6:52 I'm not in the market for a pickup. right now I would go for the first one, lower it, put some sport tires on it, and maybe wrap it a different color. way less money, and pretty cool ride for way less money.

[@roguedogx]

10:04 also, wheels can be changed.

[@roguedogx]

16:40 I don't mind them. However they are priced like they are the best of a pickup and a jeep when they are actually a compromise of both designs. also, I think there should have at least been an offering of a two door gladiator with a longer bed and less departure angle compromises.

[@roguedogx]

29:47 I think that puts them at half of accord sales, which is a crazy number.

[@boiler2147]

Saw a Colorado trail boss in Florida with turbo max for 35k

[@wtdash]

'Dealers' don't set the MSRP - the Mfg does. Dealers can sell them for what the market will bear - used or new. As we ALL learned during C-19. 😞 I'd expect some steep(er) discounts on the way as we're now seeing the return of 'cash back' and other incentives to move 'em. Ol' (over)supply and demand will hopefully put this back into a Buyer's market.

[@maverick-zj3jz]

Used trucks cost more than new trucks. Plus higher intrest rates. And no warranty. It's a hard no for me.

[@ms1406]

Man definitely buy used!! Used xlt f150 usually have decent prices!

[@JJ-mh3hb]

Juice ain't worth the squeeze

[@garretwilliams2689]

38k for a work truck is way to much!

[@lucwilson1]

Man that 2011 Ranger is pristine! But pricey.

[@wwz1011]

I am seeing many new 2024 trucks 10% off MSRP, so pricing is softening for sure. Rams are even more discounted, but no FCA vehicles for me. I predict $5K rebates and or 0% financing by year end.

[@J.Young808]

Nathan, why are you moving to California?

[@FutureTruth1]

Ya but does it have a HEADLIGHT Switch??

[@braddenr.4778]

I just bought a ‘20 Tundra 1794 with 40k miles for $42,000 out the door. Why in gods name would you pay $38k for this thing? That’s insanity, no wonder my local dealers cannot get anything brand new off the lot.

[@kenh8334]

Geez. Toyota tax hits hard, eh?

[@braddenr.4778]

@@kenh8334 For a truck with high resale value, and peace of mind knowing my truck is gonna start and operate optimally with general maintenance for years…yes I’ll gladly pay more. It’s like harbor freight tools vs MAC, you pay more you get a better product.

[@kmorris9098]

Sorry to hear how you made out there on a 5-model year truck with 40k+ miles 😢 crazy out there!

[@braddenr.4778]

@@kmorris9098 Resale value and reliability pal. Your Chevy, ford, ram won’t be worth a gum wrapper with mileage compared to a Toyota truck. 4k less than KBB and the cheapest 1794 tundra within 100 miles of my area. Try again.

[@kmorris9098]

@@braddenr.4778 hey buddy, that may be true, but no one can deny that the used car market prices is out of control.

[@ndb8610]

That first truck should have been 25k tops.

[@ervinjackson3261]

$38,000 that ain’t too bad but I want some money off of that for real for real

[@user-ep3ug9ry3p]

Will stick with used because my ego aren’t worth that much.

[@1FiftyOverland]

Cybercar*

[@gerardomendoza9688]

It's still too expensive I would pay $15,000 for a small truck no more. $30,+000 is too much, you could get the badest muscle car or pickup full options 20 years ago for $38,000, now you only get a little 4 cylinder truck for that much money nah that's crazy...

[@tmytco7664]

When are you going to address the elephant in the room? Specifically, how long will a turbo based motor last? Made by a company that is notorious for engine recalls.

[@drnick40]

Nathan for some reason has issues with the Cybertruck. And he shouldn’t.

[@cars291]

Savings? I wouldn’t call it that. Just less expensive.. 😅 Deal.. yeah that may be that. I wouldn’t mind if ‘cruise control’ wouldn’t be mentioned every time 😂 Asking for an Andre

[@Nozixa]

How can you get the best bang for your buck? Don't watch channels like these that constantly hype up overpriced cars. Buy reliable cars used and ignore everything else.

[@SaltShack]

Ya, like my 2013 Toyota Land Cruiser purchase three years ago with 125k miles and to date, water pump, radiator, timing chain cover oil leak, and right now the driver review mirror folding motor failed, price to fix $2,300. There is no such thing as a reliable used car. Is the cost of used ownership less probably but not by much. $3,000 in repairs annually or $5,000 $6,000 for a brand new warranties comfort and confidence.

[@ghostface1818]

@@SaltShackthat vehicle is 11 years old at the worst point in its life mileage wise. What did you expect when you bought it?

[@SaltShack]

@@ghostface1818 Pretty much exactly what I got. But what’s your point? Where’s the sweet spot and who’s the manufacturer and what’s the model and at what mileage makes my statement unreasonable? I’m not complaining about my LC. I Love my LC so much in fact I have two, the 2013 and a 2021. BY the way all the repairs I mentioned began at just over 65,000 miles with the water pump and Radiator common flaws repaired long before I purchased it and the Timing chain cover leak was likely ongoing for quite some time and I negotiated the price knowing the cost of repair so none of the repairs except the mirror occurred over 100k and these are the repairs reported and or perform by the dealership. The gentleman’s statement may be reasonable if expounded upon. Buy reliable used cars between two and four years old with 25,000 miles or less and sell them every two or three years before they reach 75,000 miles. That’s a strategy that could play out on the roulette wheel of used car buying and save some serious cash but maybe not depending, after all we aren’t talking about Camry’s and Outback’s.

[@ghostface1818]

@@SaltShack Buying a used car has many factors. I live in the North East and the amount of salt used on roads absolutely destroys vehicles regardless of how the vehicle is maintained. Many other places in the US do not have to deal with that variable and used cars probably go longer with less issues. The big issue is that Americans are paying for vehicles they don’t actually need or can afford. How many truck buyers actually need a truck. Or how many people need a full size SUV when a sedan probably would work for them. The only people to blame for the cost of vehicles is the consumer and their buying habits.

[@liamaleman1761]

It's called inflation people. You can't expect the same prices from 10 years ago. 38k is what 28k was 10 years ago.

[@hochhaul]

A guy that bought new trucks in the 80's scoffed at truck prices in the late 90's. Then again the same people whining about current trucks prices are the same that whined about interior quality 5 years ago, which put truck makers into overdrive, upgrading interiors and using that to justify raising prices several thousand dollars.

[@liamaleman1761]

@@hochhaul 💯

[@billricheter5678]

I hope you 2 get to make more videos together. You have great repotoire and are great together

[@bawintermage8351]

Steely Dan , Steel wheels and Saturday nights on a Colorado all go together.

[@TheSkinnyMechanic]

Best bet is for everyone to just not buy a new vehicle for at least a year. Plenty of used car deals to be had and it will teach dealers to not gouge their customers.

[@omardevonlittle3817]

😂

[@jnmaher1967]

How many truck buyers buy midsize or half ton trucks and within a few years end up bumping up to HD size? Is it better putting your money towards a heavy duty and skip the others?

[@dad2817]

Pretty clear who pays your wages

[@PhaeronServinus]

bro trucks over 35,000 are not "good deals"... Ya'll can't make a video showing "used trucks" and great prices and keep pointing at prices north of 40 grand. this is ridiculous. Most of us don't waste money trading in a new truck ever 8 months...

[@michaelweston9048]

What a deal so cheap and affordable in the year of 2045 😅😅😅

[@TFLtalk]

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[@ervinjackson3261]

Yep, that’s too much for a Jeep

[@Reddyeforty]

$38K. 😢

[@Njrebel68]

Neither new or used you are still taking out a loan for more then what the vehicle is worth so you are in a hole either way

[@ervinjackson3261]

Just because you too, can afford the truck it doesn’t mean everybody can afford to pay very very high prices. It’s not gonna happen.

[@sarkisseywaz2127]

Are you guys out of touch with reality ???

[@user-cj6jo7ks2p]

Why???

[@ectofix8447]

Making that statement like that without a making your point is moot. Try elaborating.

[@user-cj6jo7ks2p]

Why would you think they are out of touch with reality. This is reality this is the world we live in EVERY THING is expensive if you want it you will pay more for it.

[@btb6011]

My 2018 Ram Diesel Mega cab has only 9500 miles on it.....still has that new smell too!!!

[@sidneyrobinson9186]

Ford just needs to STOP jacking the price up on Mavericks, they a Hit cuz of price and greatness of vehicle

[@bwer2]

Nobody with a brain would have an electric car

[@gobsmacked230]

Pity the average person can't afford ANY of these (unless you buy one of the smaller models with next to no legroom in the rear seat AND a useless 5 ft. Box). Sorry...I can't afford a $1,000+/mo. payment for 6-7 years to buy one of these unreliable behemoths. Lousy recent sales of these trucks and the crazy prices prove my point.

[@erikg.6560]

Did you say Nathan was moving to “Commi”fornia?

[@BillLaBrie]

Yes, from Commilorado.

[@1FiftyOverland]

Ranger Raptor is better than the Colorado Bison

[@mattbrew11]

A gladiator is better offroad than any other midsize up to 40mph

[@jjboohoo9641]

Buying a $70k or more pickup is the first sign that your either Woke or an attention seeker. People buy those expensive trucks for toys. Then they lose them because they can't afford them.

[@jeffrymcallister2789]

Stellantis is no good...they’re junk and I’m extremely upset with them cause I loved Ram for a long time like Toyota Tacoma they’re junk too now with tranny issues and Stellantis with issues you can name they have Ford with bearing issues for a decade and government motors have electronic issues and now I think I made my point and I do research on a daily basis so nobody can tell me different oh and while I’m still here evs can be thrown in the garbage cause they’re junk also so if I get hate for being honest then you can just not reply cause the truth hurts

[@Tware8100]

It really stinks that I pay extra to not to have advertising, but yet I still have to deal with it. Looks like I'm going to have to drop watching due to commercials. 😢😢😢

[@stevekniess3665]

Oh man the cry babies are coming to comment about prices, blah blah. Thank you for another great video guys

[@Dankcatvacs]

New trucks are a joke dont even have real metal bumpers.

[@brianhernandez589]

New trucks are stupid. All of them. You are limited on grey or black interiors, shades of grey (mostly) exteriors and either standard cab or crew-cab only on most brands. The engine choices suck. They overload them with useless technology that just add complexity, weight and price tag. Price tags are ridiculous. It's a shame that Americans can't see past the enormous marketing budgets the truck makers spend selling people the idea that all of this extra crap in necessary for everyday use. The truth is better than 90% of these trucks will never see actual truck duties. Most will simply be family haulers that stroke the owner's ego. I would much prefer a late 90's truck to the silly things they make today.

[@user-io9uq5id5r]

Nathan is pathetic. Why does he need to swear. Your stream is not family friendly. He is the only one that cannot control his words. Ridiculous!

[@victorbaird8220]

😂😂😂😂