IT'S ON - Ram 2500 HD Cummins vs Chevy Silverado HD Duramax vs Ike Gauntlet!

[@ostmk496]

Great video guys, love it!!

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@realbigtuna667]

@@MrTruckTV You guys love trucks? You should check out Taylor Ray's channel. He swapped a Cummins into an F-350. Best of everything. Very impressive build. You should reach out to him to do a collab and see what you think of it.

[@gurgisgutters725]

I don’t like my 10 speed. I have a 2019 Chevy 3500 and a 2021 gmc at4 both diesel and I like the 2019.

[@crazypeoplearoundtheworld304]

@@realbigtuna667 you don't get out much, do you?

[@ESHtrader]

Chechen. Recheck

[@detlevwilloughby7175]

10% better fuel economy over the life of a truck is a very big deal, I'm happy with my Cummins

[@GLC-1979]

Was it an old 2 valve? lol

[@Enchanted3DPrints]

idk. 10 grand buys a lot of fuel...so the chevy is already 10k ahead on that battle. 20k miles a year at 3 bucks a gallon(theoretical as it goes up and down) is less than a thousand dollars difference. So around 10 years of fuel in the chevy before the ram would actually start to save you money on fuel. thats 200k plus miles and most people are already trading them off by then. Id buy the chevy

[@davidstinson3830]

@@Enchanted3DPrints the problem is everything inside the Chevy will break, and negate any cost savings very quickly.

[@noblekitty]

@@Enchanted3DPrints the right way to do it is to Google MSRP on Ram 2500 and Silverado 2500, then use those numbers to do your calculations. If people have any common sense, they would know it’s not fair to compare trucks prices given to TFL for reviews. The difference is like $300 so now it’s time to do your fuel savings math again, lol.

[@JeffBrauss]

@@Enchanted3DPrints flawed logic. That only holds true if these trucks were spec’ed equally and the Ram cost more money, but they are not spec,Ed the same. The 10 grand you mentioned purchased air ride, 20” rims, 12” display, etc over the Chevy. If they went down to a Big Horn (comparable pricing to the Chevy) , and the Ram with better fuel mileage, your theory falls apart. 😎

[@BiggMo]

That Ram front end is so much better looking than the Chevy

[@Kingcold2002]

Facts 🔥

[@elijahdechert5322]

The ram is so much cleaner looking and simpler. Probably my favorite looking truck out of all the 3 main brands

[@1970351C2V]

That

[@BrianNC81]

Agree, I can't stomach that front end. The GMC version looks fine.

[@marvincameron24]

Agree

[@22mpb]

I’m a GM guy, but I will never get rid of my 2011 2500 4 door long bed high output Cummins. Thing is a towing beast even without the modifications done to it.

[@lyndonhamby7432]

No doubt 💪🏻👍

[@freedomisntfree_44]

Had a 2012 that I really liked, but of course it burnt to the ground. Have a 17 powerstroke now and it is an absolute monster and would eat the Cummins alive but she likes to drink

[@andyd9199]

love those HO's ram cummins are they tough to find used? thanks.

[@faultless18]

@@freedomisntfree_44 what happen to your 2012? Also any problems with your 17 powerstroke? (Do you tow?)

[@freedomisntfree_44]

@@faultless18 the interior light or that area is where it started, heard that it was an issue on some of those trucks, the powerstroke is great and I tow almost everyday between farming and landscaping but will drink fuel like crazy if you keep your foot in it. Wouldn’t trade the ford for anything now though

[@godzilla7148]

A Ram and a Chevy towing a Ford? Seems about right!

[@danielmeador1991]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@lyndonhamby7432]

💪🏻👍😂😂😂😂

[@Canadianwildlifecams]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@NoName-tz5ji]

Well they can’t compete with the ford so why bother.

[@lyndonhamby7432]

@@NoName-tz5ji man bumped his head on isle 5. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@carltongray3302]

Had less power and TQ, less gears , more luxurious interior , no brake applications , better fuel economy and ran the same time up the hill as the Chevy. W for the Ram .

[@StrangeTimesNear]

To fair it was 10,000 more.

[@carltongray3302]

@@StrangeTimesNear you don’t have to option the Ram up the high and even if the price was the same , the Ram has the nicer interior still.

[@huemongus3742]

Most importantly, the Chevy is god awful ugly.

[@CraigSmith568]

Personally I prefer cloth seats over leather, so cloth seats would be a better interior for me. I also like the rubber floor over carpet and a standard cab over the limousine cab. I do think the Dodge performed better and the front end on that Chevy is just horrible. Chevy did do better with the step in the side of the bed and the bumper.

[@carltongray3302]

@@huemongus3742 I personally like the Chevy front end design , I don’t like the Chevy IFS . That alone makes me choose the Ram over it . An HD trucks needs a SFA and that’s why imo Ram is the best all around HD truck . SFA, straight 6 Cummins and world class interior and nice ride .

[@dor1tomcswagger69]

0 brake applications down a steep mountain would make me want to buy that truck right away

[@rotaryperfection]

That was pretty amazing how Ram set up that system.

[@TruckerMike089]

One of the reasons why I own my Ram. I like being able to stop my load.

[@Back_door_bandit_98]

@@TruckerMike089 😂😂😂 I see what you did there.

[@TruckerMike089]

@@Back_door_bandit_98 oh I see it now. Sorry I legit use my pickup to make money with so what I haul is my load.

[@user-wq8bh4ct3u]

Personally I'd rather step on the brake pedal once and save the 10 grand.

[@johnbouldin9033]

I would love to see you guys incorporate a passing test. Doing so would simulate what happens while towing behind a slow moving semi and you want to pass. Slow the truck down to 40 or 45 and then floor it. Time how long it takes to get back to 60. This kind of test would've been nice to see on your recent Ecoboost vs Ram 1500 comparison.

[@specialopsdave]

An especially important test for the PowerBoost, since it would test if the battery stays full enough going uphill to assist in passing

[@matthewholzmueller6292]

Also I think that they should do a turning radius test.

[@gen1c8rs88]

Make sure the simulated passing test is done at approximately the same starting point.

[@walldogger1]

I'd like to see that INCLUDED too.

[@chevydmax1000]

I agree please start incorporating a passing test. Thanks

[@johnbenson4744]

The bumper steps are such an underrated feature. I use mine almost daily

[@jtother1242]

Yeah I have a ram and wish I had them for sure!

[@anthonyc1883]

22:10 Mr. Truck: "I use some of those zip ties for handcuffs." Andre: "I don't want to know about that." lol

[@vertsk8er419]

what it's for citizen's arrests

[@scottleggejr]

@@vertsk8er419 Lot lizard terrariums.

[@nofx1420]

Capital insurrection??🤔😲

[@yukior88]

I love the exhaust brake on our Cummins, we tow a 15k fifth wheel up and down I80 in the Sierras and never have to touch the brakes on the downhill portions.

[@gregfurr6351]

The test I would like to see is the SRW RAM 3500 standard cummins vs the high output towing around 15k pounds which is what a lot of people use these for (such as a 5th wheel camper) Give people an idea if it's worth it to spend an extra 3 grand for the HO if your not planning on towing 30k pounds. Overall good video though.

[@jamespenner1412]

The more I see tests on the standard output the more impressed I am. It always seems to do a better job then I expect. I'd love to see the same Greg. Standard vs high output battle.

[@redbarron6574]

Having owned a 2018 HO and a 2020 SO, towing the same 14,500 lb fifth wheel, I think it’s a waste of money. Anything trailer under probably 18,000 lbs the SO is probably the choice, if you got to go 4.10 rear then maybe the HO and a dually.

[@Wood-In-My-Eye]

I agree I have a 46ft 5th wheel 21klb which I pull with my 2017 2500 Cummins limited. It does great. I don’t really feel the need to go bigger. I did change my brakes to vented cross drilled. Yet sometimes I swear it doesn’t know it back there.

[@ronaldduwaynebrown8071]

Would love to see that one myself

[@Halucination08]

I would also, GENIUS video idea!!! Cmon TFL make it happen please

[@gregc9220]

Glad to see Mr.Truck and Andre back together doing some Ike gauntlet runs again!

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@DobyDuke]

what stopped them?

[@gregc9220]

@@DobyDuke the covid-19 pandemic

[@DobyDuke]

@@gregc9220 ok, lmfao

[@brandonmcfarland5200]

I Loved The Ike Gauntlet When Pulling A Heavy Trailer Up The Hill!

[@specialopsdave]

Both of them are such beasts that I'd be glad to get either one

[@justinchidester9662]

I ran my new 2021 cummins 2500 over the Ike on full exhaust brake and I had to speed up it slowed me down so much. Towing my travel trailer at 9,500 lbs. Not bad at all.

[@hellkitty1014]

Ram's 2-stage e-brake will not be denied! Very aggressive. The steeper the decline, the harder it clamps! It is definitely a "brake saver".

[@lyndonhamby7432]

Nothing better in big mountains 💪🏻👍

[@Matts000]

@@hellkitty1014 you mean Cummins 2 stage exhaust brake, not RAM. RAM doesn’t make a HD diesel motor.

[@Matts000]

@CM3 Alfa Just reminding everyone that RAM doesn’t make a diesel motor. It’s made by Cummins, that’s all. Everything about that 6.7 L I6 is all Cummins. And just an FYI Ford builds there own motors. They have for quite a few years now.

[@flyingsavage8522]

@@hellkitty1014 until the turbo fails you lose most of your power and your exhaust break and you have to sell one of your kidneys to get it fixed just for it to happen again in not too long

[@slowsix2002]

As a Ram guy, I appreciate the comparison. I prefer the cummins to every other diesel. In fact my Ford Excursion will have one soon.

[@tuurd]

My cummins is a 2018 in a 2500 and it's lifetime mileage (per the ecm and not hand calculated) is just shy of 21, about 10% of which is pulling a 12,000# travel trailer. This performance doesn't surprise me at all. The automatic engine brake on the Cummins is amazing.

[@kevinblock2307]

What a way to start a Sunday with an Ike!

[@jameswhiteside1506]

That Chevrolet has got a face only a mother could love. And I was born and raised GM.

[@Weak_juan]

Haha. I'm a ram guy but that chev hd look has grown on me.

[@Nzxtz07]

Doesn't it? I don't know what GM was thinking when they designed that truck.

[@noknownthrone2487]

I actually think the 2021 Chevy 2500 is the best looking truck out of them all, for the first time since the 04-06 models! Just bought one back in May and I love it very much. The front end on the Chevy is crazy gorgeous and aggressive to me, and I love it

[@tysonrose3731]

@@noknownthrone2487 that’s all that matters man is what you think. I just bought a 2022

[@noknownthrone2487]

@@tysonrose3731 Isn't it a beauty both to look at and drive? Towed my 11k trailer over the mountain and had to keep reminding myself "oh yea, I'm towing". Unbelievable balance and control! Congrats on your truck!

[@jonmaciel4696]

9:12 see there we go that’s why I’ve always liked heavy duty chevy’s and gmc’s because when it comes to towing they are beast I love how confident I feel with a load coming down a hill and maintaining a safe speed while that Allison transmission does A phenomenal job downshifting while holding the load and you safely not to mention then equipped with the AAM rear axle which is very strong then paired with that duramax you got yourself a towing beast. I used to think why doesn’t Chevy/gmc bump up there torque numbers , because 910 ft pounds is enough then pair that to a 10 speed transmission it all comes together at the end and that’s why they don’t need to bump up there numbers . The ram is a beast also because of the Cummins exhaust brake but it’s hard to beat that 10 speed AAM axle , Allison transmission paired to the duramax all together makes it hard to beat the Chevy truck . And I’m not hating on Ford but when it came to towing with Ford’s for me they were quick had plenty of power but it’s like the transmission went into idle mode and wouldn’t downshift and then I’d just have to rely and press hard on my brakes which is why I don’t like towing with fords

[@BigBucksJr]

I have both engines and even though Cummins has been my favorite in 1 of my big rigs. The duramax definitely feels better when pulling anything heavy in the pick up application. With that said I still actually drive my Ram more than my Silverado 2500 HD. Just a better overall ride

[@mattd8411]

Hey buddy would you still prefer the ram over the durmax?

[@brandonmcfarland5200]

The Cummins I6 & The Duramax V8 & The Powerstroke V8 Are My Favorites To Tow Between 10,500 LBS & 13,800 LBS Going Up The Hill,Those 3 Quarter Tons.

[@rontopping2048]

Is there another brand with diesel engine coming to us? Lol

[@justinmartin8887]

Well, simply put, that i6 has been on the cutting edge since it’s introduction. Even if it wasn’t always on top of the spec sheet, it always was the king of light duty diesels, in almost every way

[@chumbawaumbacumpa]

@@justinmartin8887 An inline configuration is a much better starting point for making a reliable and well balanced diesel. Going with Cummins in the late 80’s was what saved Dodge’s truck line.

[@gutierrezc8709]

Finally!!! You're testing trucks in configurations that people actually own, like the baby Cummins. I've been asking for this video for years.

[@bigmurph1447]

Be really nice is they were linered could drive the truck for ever

[@davidstinson3830]

Baby Cummins? It's the same exact truck minus leaf springs vs a 3500. Same engine as a 5500 ram.

[@bigmurph1447]

@@davidstinson3830 yeah he's means compared to the big cummins engines like the ism or isx.

[@terryduncan31]

Fuel mileage difference could be because the RAM didn't have the high output Cummins with more power. Takes more fuel to feed the ponies.

[@tmb93]

@@bigmurph1447 3500-5500 you can get high output Cummins also frame is different on 3500 and up

[@zacharyw4628]

Buying HD trucks these days comes down to aesthetics, price, and/or preference (I preferred the AT4 look). Dad raised me on GM products but I was impressed at the exhaust brake function on the Dodge. The GM exhaust brake functionality is wonky and basically ON/OFF. Good job, Dodge.

[@perezbrandon1234]

True its not like the old days when fords were junk like the 6.0 now their all good with little to know issues

[@blakehendrix641]

Wow, dunno how that math works out... bigger tires, 4 fewer gears yet better mpg and exhaust braking! Love the testing, keep it up!

[@mhviper1987]

HOW DOES THIS CHANNEL ONLY HAVE 890K SUBS, THIS SHOULD EASILY BE IN THE MILLIONS, SO INFORMATIVE AND REAL INFO.

[@maxracingteam23]

Eating breakfast and watching an Ike run! That’s a win win!!!

[@brandonstewart7145]

I agree and also think Maybe Mr truck and possibly Andre was drinking their breakfast lol!!!!!! Keep up the great content guy's 😄

[@kirkhiggins3044]

Love the reverse format that tests actual mpg and not just indicated mpg. 👍👍👍

[@hooptietime4427]

Thank you for validating my purchase of a 2021 Ram 2500 Laramie with the Cummins. I absolutely love this truck.

[@lyndonhamby7432]

No doubt 💪🏻👍

[@flyingsavage8522]

Your going to love it too when the turbo or the trans or the rear end blow. Oh can’t forget about those pesky electronics too and the interior that falls apart or how they rust into nothing so quickly. As long as when the turbo fails the engine doesn’t get destroyed too... ahhh don’t worry about it you got a Dodge Cummins, your truck will be good for 130k miles before you have to sell a kidney to fix it.

[@lyndonhamby7432]

@@flyingsavage8522 🖕🏻😂😂😂

[@lanceevans4053]

@@flyingsavage8522 not true at all

[@flyingsavage8522]

@@tyler4093 maybe you should take the skirt off put on a pair of pants and learn how to read a joke. I’ve worked on older diesels, newer diesels, all the top competing brands and more. You clearly know nothing about what I know or have done, don’t act like an idiot and assume to know what other people know, think and experience.

[@jwichman5]

I have a 2500 Chevy HD Duramax and when I change tires from highway to All terraine similar to what you used in the test I lost three to four miles a gallon. the test you did can't be comparable unless the tires on both rigs are comparable that's obvious!

[@retiredandroaming]

They are what was provided by GM. It is what it is....

[@blake2456]

I run Nitto Ridge Grappler in 305, I've only lost maybe 1mpg, and they're not any louder than stock.

[@chevydmax1000]

I completely agree

[@carloscuda]

How about the % of gear ratio lost with bigger tires? If the speedometer read 65, you might be doing 68, other words , instead of reach a distance of 10 miles, probably you are reaching 12.

[@Rider-nb5ts]

What was the transmission temp and DEF used on each? Was the 10sp cooler?

[@chrisandpennyleonard]

Both look like great trucks! I can tell you from experience as far as the GM goes with my 2011, if you have it in tow/haul with the exhaust brake on, with the standard cruise control set, it will hold the speed up and down hill within a couple of miles per hour without touching the brakes or accelerator. I imagine the new ones are even better.

[@ArmyProperty]

Agreed, we’ve got a 2011 LML dually and the exhaust brake is a lifesaver. Can’t go back to a truck without one. We love our 5.9 Cummins but will never take it through the mountains again with a trailer on it.

[@raykrv6a]

I have a 2014 Ram 2500 CCSB Laramie with Cummins. First year of Gen 4 and it had recalls. But other then that, it's been a great towing truck. Go by axle weight and tire rating, it can haul a lot. My payload rating is 2370, but it has done around 3k with no bad issues. But I don't drive crazy either. Switched to RAM in 2014 from GM pickups and not unhappy at all.

[@higherlifts420]

Terrible choice

[@Ryan.F86]

I think the inline-6 is just more efficient than a v8, even at very similar displacements. They're also naturally balanced due to cylinder firing order, unlike a v8.

[@pauldiesel4582]

I might add 7 main bearings for the in-line six, to 5 main bearings of the V-8.

[@electric7487]

I'd say the crossplane V8 has "semiperfect" or "quasiperfect" balance in the sense that it needs crank weights but does not need balancer shafts (assuming a 90° V angle and a common pin crank).

[@lyndonhamby7432]

No doubt

[@witkr904]

We have not had V-8 engines in semis or large equipment for decades. In-line six rules the torque game….isn’t that why you bought a Diesel???

[@lyndonhamby7432]

@@witkr904 dam right 👍👍

[@eriklee1264]

The mpg discrepancy b/n the Hankook Dynapro MT tires (Silverado) vs the Firestone Transforce AT2 (Ram) will be about .5

[@davidherrera6734]

Great!! Longevity is also something to consider when buying!! Cummins with my experience have gone 700,000 to 800,000 miles easily before major break down or trade in!! With strick maintenance schedule!!

[@rapTorfx4]

I keep expecting this to be an Off The Ranch video with the music.

[@anthonyc1883]

Haven't watched that channel, but TFL has been using that music for a few years, for sure. Does Off the Ranch predate that?

[@rapTorfx4]

As long as I can remember, Matt has been using this music there, yeah. I can't put an exact date or even year as to when I started watching that particular channel of his though

[@danquenell]

Same song but they sound like different versions.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

@@anthonyc1883 no. Tfl was using it a year before off the ranch.

[@Recovering_Californian]

same here

[@Kulissenspäher]

Mr. Truck is BACK!!! Finally!!!

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@shaunbrown5961]

I love my 2019 Ram 2500 diesel. I daily drive it and tow a 4,000lb travel trailer 2-3 times a month around windy Idaho. Only issue so far is the error code it threw at 15k miles for the Particulate Matter Sensor.

[@nathanbradford3327]

Me too! Just need to drive more spirited time to time... An open stretch of road here in SoCal is hard to find 😎

[@mattd8411]

Good deal how are you liking the ram still?

[@ThatGuy-kf7fo]

I like runs with less than max loads, that’s way more telling for the average person. Also shows all these trucks are very close. I think the Cummins/8-speed combo will be the one to beat when they finally build it.

[@johnnyzr1204]

Great video, but you forgot to mention in the end that load capacity was greater on the Chevy. That is huge if you wanted a fifth wheel.

[@TheRamGuy]

Nothing better than Andre and Mr.Truck on an Ike to start the week! My favorite content on TFL. Whoever designed the front end of the Chevy should be fired...fugggggly

[@Kim-ek2mt]

It is hard to believe that the chevy designers sat in a room and they all agreed and said ya this front end looks good

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@ds6872]

Half tons even uglier

[@justinmartin8887]

Yea. Easily ugliest truck on the entire market. Makes the outdated tundra look like gold

[@travisgue8535]

The GMC looks much better

[@RDJ1SS]

Most cars have the ability to turn off adaptive cruise control. Making it regular cruise control. Just to rule out the drivers foot as a variable. Love the review!

[@rjterry21]

The RAM has both if equipped with ACC. ACC and regular cruise. Both also control not only the VGT exhaust brake, but also the trailer service brakes. They favor the EB but will apply trailer brakes as needed.

[@WW-wf8tu]

What a couple characters. And the people are entertaining too. lol

[@bjenkins803]

I drive a 2020 Chevy Duramax. I tow with it almost daily and the exhaust brake is just fine when used with cruise control. It gets great mileage and has plenty of power. I use the side steps on the bed all the time and they are great. It does everything I need and I was able to buy it for 47K brand new. Crew cab, long bed and four wheel drive.

[@dwselle]

I will always choose Cummins. At 1,120,000 miles on my N-14 in the semi with only a head gasket replace at 750k, it was the best mtr I've had in all my years driving. Loved that mtr, so reliable.

[@billb8862]

Totally different cummins in the Ram trucks, mopar molested the Cummins with a bunch of emission junk and ruined it.

[@nyasthomas5305]

@@billb8862 Mandated by our wonderful government. All 3 major brands have the stupid emission junk on it and guaranteed to limit the life of any of them.

[@jamespenner1412]

Ram, king of the downhill since 2007.5!!!! Imagine that less hp, less gears and still getting it done.

[@thefreakinpope5148]

Not to mention 2 less cylinders!

[@massfreak1]

@@roberthall6560 hell ya. You like that cowboy shit?

[@User2452-i7n]

@@roberthall6560 yes

[@gasolinediesel972]

@@roberthall6560 Kinda sad that a fiat pulls a trailer downhill better than a chevy.

[@roberthall6560]

@@gasolinediesel972 ... "Pulls Downhill"??? Going downhill is about control. That said, Ram is the best looking trucks on the market. Ram has the nicest interiors on the market. BUT Ram has huge reliability issues and is owned by a foreign company. Toyota has the most reliable truck BUT no heavy duty trucks. Toyota assembles their Tundras in Texas BUT is also owned by a foreign company. Chevy is way way too invested in China and is even doing some trucks FULL MANUFACTURING in China (who by the way is trying to destroy America).... So I buy Ford.

[@turdferguson2839]

They mentioned the Ram has a nicer interior and air ride and said the ram has more features but the Chevrolet has HUD, 10 speed transmission, better camera's, better ride, tighter turning radius, power extending mirrors and a lot more payload. The Chevrolet actually has more features but the Ram interior is really nice.

[@aky19832001]

87k for a single rear axle?? What's going on the world. We're talking about dually prices.

[@user-that1Ron]

The MT tires on the Chevy probably do affect the overall efficiency but at the end of the day, no matter the mpg, vehicle price, etc., the Ram wins on looks and interior alone by a long shot. Those GMs are FUGLY!!

[@michaelwaiwood5629]

Love the Cummins and Andre and Mr. Truck is the best combo!

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@scottyellis3442]

Not a Ram guy but that Cummins will be hard to beat. Both trucks are nice. Good job & video. 👍🏻

[@lyndonhamby7432]

Cummins 💪🏻👍

[@thelosttexan1912]

Nice comparison on the drivetrain between the two trucks. Obviously the trim levels weren't the same so it makes sense why the big cost difference. I like both trucks and owned both platforms over the years, but I always keep coming back to Cummins.

[@rogeliorodriguezlll]

This is the in depth kind of review that I come to KZbin for. Thank you.

[@bobkaveloh2519]

The GM tow haul exhaust brake combination doesn't activate unless you use the trucks brakes one time on the downhill grade. That probably should be mentioned in ranking the downhill test.

[@murphtheirishmanmurphy7268]

Andre and Mr. Truck! I got my iced coffee and it’s Sunday morning. Perfection! 🤘🏻❤️🍀

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@brandontaylor1831]

6spd beats a 10spd. Ram gets a ten speed they're really going to beat em all.

[@m4lindse]

No, they just displayed more gears aren't needed.

[@brandontaylor1831]

More gears keeps it in optimum rpm range. I have a 2020 powerstroke w/10spd now. And I can assure you it's runs and pulls much better than the 6spd powerstrokes I've had. No comparison

[@rjterry21]

Likely to see an 8-speed ZF in 2023 now. I'd welcome the ZF Powerline it has skip shift, rolling shifts between R and D, 2nd gear no load starts.

[@revolverguy651]

Problem is the ram transmission probably won't hold up.

[@rjterry21]

@@revolverguy651 LOL. Ford and GM are currently having way more issues with their 10-speeds than RAM. Aisin is bulletproof to 1100lb.ft and the 68RFE is mostly bulletproof. Bad rep comes from guys that put heavy tunes through a stock trans.

[@paulplack490]

The Ram performed really well, but the six-speed made the RPM jumps more obvious.

[@sierragulf9783]

Thanks Fellas!! Both nice trucks. However, looks like I am sticking with RAM for my next unit!! I am happy for that.

[@BigMike_6872]

I love watching these videos, keep it up Andre and Mr. Truck! Great video as always.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@dobermanracing]

The rim size won't really affect MPG. The M/T tires on the chevy will be heavier and have a higher rolling resistance. I bet they'd get the same MPG if you ran the same style/size tires between these two trucks.

[@user-wq8bh4ct3u]

Someone commented they have the same Silverado wirh the Duramax and swaps out seasonals with AT's and its a 3 to 4 mpg difference.

[@davidwilson1107]

@@user-wq8bh4ct3u I can tell you factually(as i have the exact same ram as this one) that going from the factory 20 inch rims and 33 inch tires to my cali offroad 20 inch wheels and 37 inch Toyo MTs cost me 4 mpg exactly. So if you went 35s you'd lose 2 at the most on the Cummins.

[@user-wq8bh4ct3u]

@@davidwilson1107 the Silverado tires have a much taller sidewall than the RAMs. The o.d. diameter is probably really close, basically moot point, needless to say the GM was hamstrung from the start with those really really aggressive AT's. It would have easily won the fuel economy test. Making it a tie if you want to give the brake test win to the RAM when they bizarrely decided not use adaptive cruise. Basically anything to get the RAM across the finish line first.

[@user-wq8bh4ct3u]

And these aren't just the standard $200 upgrade AT's, they're the $400 two steps up from the all seasons. Ultra aggressive. Mine as well have filled the bed of the Silverado with cinder blocks while they were at it.

[@justinjones5288]

@@davidwilson1107 did you adjust your speedo for the taller tires though

[@Humblescape]

Cummins all day err day.

[@blackshirt4ever02]

The Rams exhaust brake performs just like my Kenworths jakes. Hmmm it has a Cummins too. I wonder. 😂😂😂

[@justanotheraviator2357]

However they are two different systems.

[@blackshirt4ever02]

@@justanotheraviator2357 yes they are! You’re absolutely correct.

[@justanotheraviator2357]

@@blackshirt4ever02 honestly I love the ram/cummins exhaust brake because of the quiet operation in the city

[@user-wm9pj2xj7z]

@@justanotheraviator2357 so a jake brake is used in the valves of the head of the motor and a exhaust brake is in the exhaust manifold they both just slow down trucks but a jake is more effective but way louder that why their banned of use in most towns and cities. A jake break controls ignition of the cylinder and the exhaust break controls the flow of the exhaust to slow down the vehicle

[@justanotheraviator2357]

@@user-wm9pj2xj7z actually a Jake simply opens the exhaust during combustion it doesn't change ignition

[@stevenwright6573]

Yay!! My dudes are back. I been missing this segment/test. Mr. Truck chilling with Andre,sweet. Now the scenery is nicer and not frozen like usually in the winter tests. Heat might be a factor to measure too. Welcome back dudes.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@Cotton2Ennis]

Been a GMC guy over 40 yrs, but got my hands on a 5.9 clacker I am not surprised by your test.

[@Eyore82]

I just don't trust the longterm reliability of new diesel trucks, regardless of the manufacturer.

[@doggedlydetermined7022]

I’m impartial to brands but if I were doing a lot of towing I’d get a Cummins not even a question.

[@NoOne-oe3co]

Mopar 🍻

[@googleaccount2637]

Cummins is not mopar

[@gutierrezc8709]

Same.

[@nismomike3182]

@@NoOne-oe3co Fiat 🥂

[@connor4961]

I’d get a Duramax

[@Rommer2258]

I think if they compared it to an equally priced Laramie the ram interior would still be better. But they should offer the HO in the 2500 aswell.

[@adampetten1009]

Yes ram should rid the 68 and use the ZF 8 speed with all trucks having the HO

[@Rommer2258]

@@adampetten1009 yeah, I agree the 68 is a little long in the tooth. This whole moving truck production to the US. Then promptly not really set them back a few years

[@witkr904]

When I order my new one this fall I am thinking going from 2500 to the 3500 SRW just to get away from the 68.

[@adampetten1009]

@@witkr904 you can order a 22 right now. It gets uConnect 5

[@mak450]

definitely suprised by how it turned out, eitherway I'd take the Chevy. 10k is alot of fuel, and they're probably a little close MPG wise if the Chevy wasn't wearing knobbies. Did you guys already do a comparison of the features, did I miss that?

[@dustingauthier2041]

Also did the Chevy actually get into 10th gear? In order to get best fuel economy you have to get into the highest gear with lowest rpm. I'd be curious to see at higher speeds what the mpg would do on both trucks.

[@gen1c8rs88]

As the price goes the RAM and Chevrolet have the equivalent trim/options.

[@denisbrisebois7658]

Love watching Andre and Mr Truck going up and down the Ike Gauntlet. Great video as always 👍👌☝️😉🤟💪😎.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@everything_delete8005]

Who trained that guy at 5:30 🤣 and Ram definitely got a nice exhaust brake, the one on my 2014 Duramax doesn’t hold a candle to the Ram one

[@LukeEdward]

Not very SWIFT, is he?

[@everything_delete8005]

@@LukeEdward I’d say he went to SWIFT SCHOOL

[@Az56818]

Yeah but ur talking 7 years of extra development.

[@lyndonhamby7432]

No doubt 💪🏻👍

[@eppsfixnit83]

It would be nice to know gearing of each truck. 3.42? 3.73? 4.10? Those numbers could potentially create a huge difference. Great video, I enjoy the comparisons.

[@chevydmax1000]

Chevy uses the 3.42 on the latest version of the Duramax (L5P) starting in 2017. Before that is was always 3.73 from 2001 tio 20016.

[@techs1smh13]

@@chevydmax1000 and I believe they woke up putting 3.73 back in new ones

[@chrisbinder2580]

Whew need to see this again but loaded to the max! Great video

[@rp1645]

Great Job on real world towing. Yes I thought the 10 speed Allison would do better. But you guys prove it by real towing. Thank you so much for all the knowledge you do in these tests. YES they need to put a FUEL cap on a Truck.

[@turdferguson2839]

The Chevy is really designed to be shifted manually and it got worse mpg because they were going faster downhill. This is a tuff choice, the Ram has a really nice interior but the Chevy has more useful features and can tow more.

[@LucasLeCompteMusic]

How would it get worse MPG going faster when it has a 10 speed? It should be a able to find a better gear.

[@davidstinson3830]

It definitely is not designed to be shifted manually. And going downhill uses no fuel, so how would that make any sense?

[@turdferguson2839]

@@davidstinson3830 hey genius watch the video, it showed them hitting the gas going downhill and they said they had to use the gas going downhill in the Chevrolet.

[@davidstinson3830]

@@turdferguson2839 hitting the gas to keep the engine brake from engaging still isn't using any fuel... genius.

[@ThaMetalMan]

Man im happy to see Mr truck! Great looking trucks. Happy to see gm content. Even if it performed a little less than Ram

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@ziggy6645]

Good video. But I’d like to see the temperatures on the drivetrain that is good info on how hard they are working. And what rear end ratios are in the trucks. Gear ratio is a big deal as y’all know, on everything, mileage, power, grade braking. Thanks y’all!!!!

[@soundman1402]

On the 2500 Cummins, the rear end is 3.73. My transmission temp usually sits around 190F; I've see occasional spikes to 205, but it comes right back down.

[@brandedmcgowan9414]

And the GMs are 3.42 since 2020 model year (2001-2019 was 3.73)

[@davidwilson1107]

@@brandedmcgowan9414 because 10 speed.

[@brandedmcgowan9414]

@@davidwilson1107 and still could of kept the 3.73s or give us options of 4.10s to 4.56s.

[@specialestness]

@@soundman1402 transmission temp on my sierra 3500 10 speed never breaks 150*

[@sierravortec2494]

The people going on about 6.7 reliably have obviously never had to work on them. We have a ton of them coming into our shop. Cummins guys still hanging on to the old days of 5.9 reliability. Although with that said, they are easier to work on than the Duramax I find

[@tahcogunworks]

I have my original 2003 Chevy dually with over 200k miles. No DEF. No DPF. No EGR. No Cat. No electronics. May not be the fastest but it's cheap to fix and has never left me stranded and I dont have a 1000 a month truck payment either. Nice test guys.

[@jimmycline4778]

The Chevy front end looks so much better than the Ram,,the rams sides are straight ,,no contours, no bulges ,no character at all just a boring ugly truck,,,I love the front of this Chevy,,,all their trucks are so good looking!

[@anthonysourdiff1835]

Love the Cummins

[@lyndonhamby7432]

Forever 💪🏻👍

[@flyingsavage8522]

Only good part of the truck besides the look

[@lyndonhamby7432]

@@flyingsavage8522 that engine gets in your blood. Spoiled 😂👍

[@willf2896]

Chevy lost all its points, scared them away with its horrid front end design.

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

The GMC version looks a lot better

[@themightymrpink]

The interior space is the most disappointing aspect of GM’s light duty and heavy duty truck lineup. When you compare their interiors as well as their exteriors to their new Corvette as well as their new full-size SUVs, they’re definitely a step or two behind to not just those aforementioned vehicles, but to Ford and especially Ram as well. The upcoming refresh should hopefully address those shortcomings to make their pickup truck lineup more competitive with Ford and Ram.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

@@richfarfugnuven6308 and it's still junk.

[@Dnh-Bear]

I think the Chevy looks good wdym

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

@@JohnDoe-nz6bk they have not had the electronics and transmission problems that Ram has had in the HD trucks. I would not buy a Ram w/o the Aisin. 3 guys at work with 3/4 ton Rams, 2 have had the 68RFE fail.

[@davidhillbrand2302]

Very good video and very impressive results from both trucks. Nicely done!

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@HectorSanchez-hn8yp]

Own one 2019 3500 high output, one 2020 3500 high output and a 2020 4500 for my transport business and I would not change them, my 2018 have over 180k miles with no problems, I love the power they have and we tow heavy stuff!

[@lorenharvey1614]

I love both trucks and engines, having said that I have built several Cummins. Back when they were just boat engines up to the 5.9L truck motors. I will always choose a Cummins over all!👍

[@getnautical9579]

Are those mud tires that come with the z71 sport? Lose a few mpg there

[@BigFrogs4x4]

In the long run the Cummins is a lot easier to work on.

[@lyndonhamby7432]

No doubt 💪🏻👍

[@witkr904]

Not even a challenge on that one.

[@bcityknox2413]

The problem us you have to keep working on the Cummins. Longevity Duramax is the way to go

[@BigFrogs4x4]

@@bcityknox2413 I was a road side mechanic for 2 years. Worked on more duramax than cummins. That's what made me buy the Cummins. You ever try to fix a 3" long blown coolant hose down in the valley of the duramax? Stupid crazy.

[@lyndonhamby7432]

@@bcityknox2413 your on crack

[@rooster3019]

Your ears are telling you the truth! The sound readings your Sound Level Meter (SLM) are giving you are lower than the actual sound pressures. You are using the "A"scale, which is by convention the standard prsctice, but which greatly discounts low to mid rainge sound pressures, If your meter offers Linear Scale or even "C" scale, compare the results. Linear is no no weighting or bias against any frequency, "C" is far less weighting than "A". The vehicle engineers take advantage of the "A" weighting to get lower (pseudo-better) ratings.

[@bryanwolfe9350]

Nice comparison, the Ram is a solid truck. I was very impressed with the adaptive exhaust gas braking on the Ram. 🙂 A couple comments, Im doubtful the tongue weight on any truck, HD it not, is going to be 1700 lbs, that nice hitch may be rated for it but not the truck, right? (This is not cargo capacity I'm referring to) Also, the tire size had nothing to do with the rim size, the rim only affects the sidewall height.

[@amandadavis9726]

I love the PacBrake exhaust brake that I had on my ‘06 Dodge. It worked really well on that 5” exhaust. It worked so well, that it would slow me down too slow, lol. I’d have to ride the throttle to gain downhill speed.

[@renegadenevarez749]

Air ride costs more and in the long run, is way costlier to repair! Gotta look at things from the mechanic point of view!

[@rsg1963]

So so wrong. Only people who have never put miles on an air suspension would say that. They are VERY reliable systems and they are definitely NOT an issue for mechanics or owners. Front suspension issues? Sure thing. But not the rear. Just not true.

[@jelipebands1700]

You are correct Air ride in big rigs is super reliable but that’s a truck with air brakes. When adding air suspension to a car or pickup adds a lot of cost. A little compressor has to have a little air tank and lines to suspension. It’s a pain to maintain 10years down the road

[@IHave14U2C]

Nonsense. I sold semi trailers for a living and I can tell you for a fact that air suspensions are incredibly reliable and very cheap and easy to repair or replace.

[@danielkelley9730]

I personally own a 2021 Ram 2500 Cummins and I would agree 100%. Ram for the win.

[@cesarurzua8234]

Fiat peugot junk

[@lyndonhamby7432]

@@cesarurzua8234 Isuzu junk 😂

[@lyndonhamby7432]

No doubt 💪🏻👍

[@cesarurzua8234]

@@lyndonhamby7432 isuzu is quality, so is cummins, ram as in the make owned by Chrysler is trash

[@lyndonhamby7432]

@@cesarurzua8234 keep believing that no help for you dude

[@meshpasha]

how do they perform daily driving highway vs city MPG wise?

[@LucasLeCompteMusic]

It's kinda hard to judge on these trucks with so little miles. The Cummins is detuned during it's break in period. Once it hits 5k likes I think the MPGs get better.

[@LucasLeCompteMusic]

@HalfShell yes there is. Go watch PD diesels videos on it. After a certain mileage the engine gets better MPG

[@rigging1377]

You should fill up the def too, and show us the consumption.

[@rigging1377]

@@pratikrossi what are you talking about? It either used “def”, or it didn’t. I add the cost of def to my fuel bill because you have to have it if you want the truck to preform properly.

[@pratikrossi]

@@rigging1377 what I am saying is if during their testing if one truck did not enter a regen and the other one did, it might give a result that not representative of what you're trying test i.e. DEF consumption. Def unlike fuel, is not something that gets consumed continuously. Depending on drive cycles and loads one truck might enter regen more frequently and hence use more def than the other even if it's exact same truck.

[@cstansfield02]

You would need a cross country run to get an accurate number.

[@Zeffer-m4s]

Def is used to lower the NOX level by cooling down the exhaust temps so if the temperature reaches a certain point the truck would use Def even if not in a regeneration cycle. When towing my fifth wheel with my 2018 ram 2500 it’s very common to use 1/4 tank every time I go camping. Cummins engine exhaust runs very hot if you add an EGT sensor on your truck you will see that you should keep you truck in 5th gear to help push the heat out. Just my two sense on my own truck.

[@rigging1377]

@@pratikrossi you need to research how def works before you post false information. Def is used during Normal operation to conform co2 into harmless gases. Don’t worry I’ll send you a link. Regen was mainly done on tier 3 engines before def. mmm-freight.com/def-how-does-it-works/

[@lwadeallen]

I have a 2015 sierra 2500, regularly pull 14K over Ike and never hit the brakes on the down hill side. I set my cruise at 55 and it holds all the way down. I know this is a different way of using it, but it also doesn't over brake like my friends RAM. Just so people don't think I'm a GM lover my next truck will likely be a Ram, just love their interior and I spend a lot of time in there.

[@starlord872]

Been driving and operating trucks in the oilfields for 20 years, as far as MPG and Towing capacity HP and Torque is not everything, wheel size and gear ratio makes a huge difference. Something to keep in mind!

[@davidwilson1107]

Don't be fooled lol. The Ram actually puts down 858lb ft to the wheels at only 1800 rpm. Research some dyno vids. The Ram is a monster.

[@lyndonhamby7432]

No doubt 💪🏻👍

[@benbarker8145]

Yea and its only rated for 850 i highly doubt that chevy is putting down 900 and some they claim

[@davidwilson1107]

@@benbarker8145 I'm sure it is at the crank. But Ram is throwing that down at the wheels. Huge difference.

[@benbarker8145]

@@davidwilson1107 Watch "We JUST Got A NEW 2020 Ram Cummins That You Need To See! (Dyno, Test Drive, & Walk Around Review)" on KZbin kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZOkppyvf9ljj5Y

[@benbarker8145]

Go to 18 minutes in.

[@ChadHonea]

Love these videos...gets me back into the truck buying spirit.

[@cesarr5006]

Unfortunately these prices nowadays are a bit exaggerated

[@moose5.9]

Best looking truck vs worst looking truck 🇺🇲

[@lyndonhamby7432]

No doubt 💪🏻👍

[@zechariahenglish6588]

"Gotta have one person in the truck, well half a person''. Hilarious!!

[@Samoskiyaani]

I could listen to and watch these guys’ videos all day,, you make me want to return to Colorado