Re-Test: 2018 Ford F150 Diesel takes on the World's Toughest Towing Test AFTER DNF

[@complexity2749]

Andre has really progressed, he used to be the Russian guy that would check the tire pressure lol. Good job Andre!

[@TheMeanmarine13]

I just bought a 2018 lariat powerstroke F150. It's 5 years old and has 23,000 original miles. I'm actually seeing closer to 30 mpgs on the highway with no load. I got the truck for almost 4K under Kelly blue book. With all of the markups everywhere this was very attractive. It looks and smells like a brand new truck. I love it.

[@k9leadstheway531]

For 60k, I'll just get the F250 with the 6.7. Thanks for the review guys

[@JsGarage]

Dan Smith completely different customers but I’m with ya

[@wildbill23c]

Or buy an F250 with the old 7.3L or 7.5L in it and still be on the road in 20 more years....and save yourself $40k+ LOL.

[@joeyscleaninglady2877]

or just get a cummins ram

[@wildbill23c]

It don't get anywhere near 30mpg, mid 20's if you are lucky. With all the electronic shit and emissions shit they put on them they're not going to get anywhere near 30mpg...well ok maybe downhill in neutral with the engine shut off...or when being hauled away on a flatbed wrecker as I'm sure they'll be having a lot of given the initial test fail of these things.

[@wildbill23c]

No thanks, after they added all the electronic shit and emissions those new diesels regardless what emblem you buy are just garbage. You see them sitting on the sides of the roads all the time broke down because of that garbage...I'll take the old mechanical diesels without the emissions, I'd actually like to get home every day.

[@DanielJaegerFilms]

I like that Ford is offering a diesel in the F150, but it seems a little rushed. The fact that they had to reprogram the ECM after the issue during the first downhill run reminds me of all the issues they had with Navistar’s 6.0 diesel, which was definitely rushed into production. Maybe I’m wrong, only time will tell.

[@thrillseekanz7874]

DanielJaegerFilms it was a pre production vehicle so in other words still being finalised. Was a simple calibration not a hardware issue.

[@matthewd6306]

Rushed, no. This has been in the R&D stage for years, It's also why they decided to not release it for the 2017 model and held off to halfway through the 2018 model.

[@therealjohnsmith4811]

DanielJaegerFilms The 6.0 problems were physical- weak heads, egr, turbo, etc. This was a pre-production computer issue. This motor has been around for years; just not in the F150.

[@ratedredneck96]

DanielJaegerFilms they rushed it because ram was putting the ecodiesel in their 3/4 ton trucks and ford got butt hurt about being behind them when really that where they have been the whole time. They rush things at the possible expense of the person driving getting into an accident over a vehicle malfunction. My mom got a pretty much brand new platinum edition ford suv and was so excited, within three days it threw a transmission code and went into the same limp mode as the 150 did and the sales rep told mom it wasnt a safe idea to continue trying to get that car so now she has a hyundai elantra GT. But yeah thats why they rushed the f150 diesel project and its a flop just like the 6.0( i liked that reference a lot...good job lol)

[@JohnDiMartino]

The difference is this is a time proven engine from Europe that is rock solid,unlike the 6.0 navistar, which was a clean sheet design that was only built to be an entry level diesel for the price point sales trucks , it was the lowest bidder engine ,they talked it up but it was a piece of garbage that did get the truck down the road long enough to take a truck sale from a freight liner or other that used the more expensive but way more reliable 5.9/6.7 Cummins.

[@JMSynthetics]

I enjoy reviews that FLT puts out however pre-production trucks shouldn't be used for testing for testing reviews such as the ike and gold hitch. Wait till the production version is released so it will be the same as every day joe gets. This will eliminate the issues that occurred the first go round and all the negative comments below for a second round of testing. Just my opinion though, continue to put out good reviews guys

[@asusmofo]

Nice trick with the ramps, never thought of that. I will definitely use that from now on when working on any double axle!

[@matthewprather7386]

As a bit of science, could you run the trucks up the grade at the speed of the slowest truck, to compare fuel efficiency? It would be really interesting to compare engine and truck efficiencies at a common output level. Maybe even just one demo - take the 2.7 Ecoboost and run it at roughly the same speed as the Powerstroke.

[@justanotheraviator2357]

Or pick a benchmark like 50 and measure mpg

[@billgateskilledmyuncle23]

68k dollars. Good lord, you could get a diesel 3/4 ton for less! I think I'll just stick to my beaters.

[@austondoughnut6232]

Dilly Dally you can find a built cummins or powerstroke or dmax and fix any future issues for cheaper than 68k

[@jeffm8882]

If you’re paying $68k for it you’re dumb. Just picked one up for $54 fully loaded lariat.

[@AmericanSurvival001]

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[@michaelbenoit248]

My 95 OBS 7.3 Powerstroke w 367K gets better MPG and will last way longer than that $68K truck. New trucks make me sad, you almost can't daily a new truck. I daily my 7.3 and I get great mpg like 13-15mpg, but I've changed all the sensors on the truck.

[@billgateskilledmyuncle23]

@@jeffm8882 I wouldn't pay that either.

[@brotherheed00]

Squat: it’s a half ton, it’s going to be “soft”. this truck is made more for daily driving rather than out right towing, even though it has a lot of capacity. The up hill time was slow but dam that was impressive mpg’s for an up hill load. Looking forward to the 100 mi. Loop video.

[@AveryExcavating]

Wow though...just bought a 2018 3500 ltz Duramax for 64k. 68k for a half ton just seems better to go w a 3/4 or 1 ton from any of the big 3

[@matthewd6306]

Kyle Riegle Top trim fully specd. You can get Supcrew F150 for under 40k after rebates.

[@complexity2749]

Kyle Riegle good point, things are getting too expensive.

[@billgateskilledmyuncle23]

The same inflation that hit the housing market 10 years ago seems to be hitting the car market now. I would rather not give that much money for any vehicle, but at least with a 3500 people use them to make massive amounts of money. This is why I will not buy a newer vehicle until I absolutely have to. My other ones are getting rough looking but they still run and are paid for.

[@mcclungfarm7965]

But the Diesel only comes in the higher trim unless you get a standard cab work truck, long bed. It seems to me they only did this because so many people have a hang up over a v6 gas motor being so good. The eco boost is proven technology by now. It is just better. And you can get a 3.5, xl crew cab 4x4, with max towing, and stx package for under $40k with a 6.5' bed. There is no way you can recoup the extra cost you would incur with the diesel.

[@andreshates]

its only a lariat, there's a king ranch , platinum and limited above this one.

[@SeenIzax]

Great video and awesome truck. This will be a great truck for those that tow 8k-10k lbs frequently. A little better mileage will help the bottom line. I think if you're towing over that, either get the 3.5L EcoBoost or go up to an F-250/F-350. Thanks for the videos guys. You're awesome!!

[@robertmontgomery7158]

You three were working very hard to say something nice about the truck.

[@JsGarage]

Robert Montgomery that’s how you saw it eh?

[@wildbill23c]

There's nothing nice about it, it has a engine in it that belongs in a car not a work truck.

[@robertmontgomery7158]

William Todd Most F150 are not work trucks. They are daily drivers. They rarely see work. Now a F250 or F350, those are serious trucks!

[@EpicNick22Gaming]

William Todd go enjoy your 4 cylinder chevy truck

[@wildbill23c]

Sorry can't find a Chevy in my driveway. Maybe you can park your's here and I'll haul it to the scrap yard for you.

[@volvo09]

"Pro trailer backup assist" umm, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're not a "pro" if you need trailer backup assist. Just name things normally manufacturers!

[@wildbill23c]

You aren't a Pro if you need ABS, traction control, stability control, 10+ airbags, park assist, backup assist, trailer backup assist, etc. You shouldn't be driving at all if you need any of those things.

[@1320fastback]

William Todd My '92 Dodge has nothing on it and tows my Toy Hauler all over the US. Can't even tell you how many newer trucks I see on the side of the road with their hoods up.

[@yogiyoda]

I took the name to mean it helps average people backup like a "pro". Not a bad name.

[@wildbill23c]

No it just gives people who have no business pulling a trailer the idea that having a knob that will backup their trailer will make them capable of handling a vehicle and trailer...and neither have a good outcome. Common sense and IQ tests should be requirements of getting a license, a vehicle, and being able to do anything with that vehicle.

[@scottleggejr]

I'm sorry Dave, I cannot backup right now, my sensors are dirty. "WHAT WILL WE DO!?!?!?!?"

[@naps3386]

2019 1 ton dodge with Cummins in the Rockies, never need brakes towing 10,000 lbs. It is a towing beast. Going up the mountain at 70 mph, never had to down-shift. Only gets 8 mpg though.

[@mountainhobo]

The Microsoft syndrome of beta testing on customer is worrisome in automotive industry. The Tesla recently had an egg on their face when Consumer Reports discovered that their model 3 had inordinately long stopping distance, and Tesla pushed some firmware updates that supposedly fixed that. That's on a long-released car - no one noticed the car takes way too long to stop? Seriously? No one at Tesla tested stopping distance? WTF? When Microsoft does that, it's annoying, but when car manufacturers do that, people will get killed.

[@davelusk1815]

Price of 68k sticker is insaine. You could literally get an f250 lariot trim for that price. So why buy less for the same amount of money. Other then maybe ability to fit in the garage. Great video fellas, i figured they'd get it fixed and an even shot at comparison is appreciated. All eyes on toyota for their coal roller!

[@josiahjones5293]

Dave Lusk because Ford knows people are stupid and will pay it

[@f270]

Because this will get better mpg and ride smoother. But I'm with you if I bought a diesel it would be the big one.

[@wildbill23c]

Its for people who want to look cool at the Walmart and to show off to their family and friends. $60k+ for a 1/2 ton truck is about $30k too much. For that price I'll buy a real truck that can actually handle the weight and workload. 10k+ behind a 1/2 ton truck is asking for a wreck. Cool your cute little truck got that 10k+ trailer moving but just hit the brakes in an emergency and see what that trailer puts your truck.

[@rogerburns8478]

70k is way to much for these trucks they are in no way nice enough and comfortable enough for that asking price and b4 someone says its because of their capability then why is a work truck version 20k less

[@wildbill23c]

An 80's F250 was about $20k or less, and was far more capable than the junk they're building today. I'll have to check again but last I recalled my 88 F250 4x4 super cab long bed with the 460 V8 and 3 speed automatic was getting close to 900k miles on all the original drive/power train...only things done have been regular maintenance, belts, hoses, batteries, that type of stuff, engine & tranny have never been opened up. The junk they build today will be lucky to be still on the living side of the world in 10 years.

[@caseymckeeborrego]

So ford is not only the only company to submit trucks to this test and fail, but has multiple failed attempts now?

[@michaeldobson8859]

Now you know why they stopped making cars, they fail to compete in a reliable lasting manner.

[@JsGarage]

To all the second chance BS below. Original truck tested was pre-production and not indicative of what paying customers will get. The calibration used in the retest is production and what paying customers can expect. You’d know this if you watched the video.

[@volvo09]

Yeah, this is an extreme test and is quite indicative of all the minor corrections that come out (software updates) for systems in vehicles once they get released to the public... Mfg'rs try to hit these points in testing, but still have to fix things like "vehicle won't restart after being started for a short period below -20f". From the video they were going downhill and off the throttle, so the grade shift logic probably told some system to do something it didn't expect or like, like the tcm allowing a shift (if they said the exact situation I missed it).... I personally don't see it as a big deal, even if it were a gm. Software fixes are inconvenient, but it's fixable and all human error in cause.

[@wildbill23c]

Oh paying customers will get the same piece of shit they "tested" in the video. There's a reason you are starting to see people pulling their old vehicles back out and getting them back on the road, they've got tired of all the electronic control nannies breaking and emptying their wallets.

[@GeoTrashPanda]

Jay P then they shouldn't be comparing to the other production trucks thou then!

[@hochhaul]

I doubt you'd be so vocal if it this truck was a Ram or GM that went into limp mode the first time around.

[@moparkr]

why try and absolve ford and the crap they put out. anything with your name on it should be good to go no matter what surcumstances

[@casper3380]

Wow, 64 was lower than I would have expected for a diesel. Will be interesting to see how it stacks up to the other trucks this year.

[@samjohnson9894]

I realize this episode is older, but you guys are the closest essence to a REAL USA-version of the 'trinity' Top Gear ever made. (Clarkson, Hammond, & May) Great chemistry, sense of humor covering 3 generations... PLUS you guys add a RUSSIAN & a CANADIAN! In US-based car show! Jolly well done. Kudos to your producers and whoever comes up with show ideas. Malatav, syrup, and a beer to yall!

[@videopipeline6419]

Was the diesel F150 unable to maintain 60mph pulling 7k lbs. up 7% grade? The only times the speedo is shown during the uphill test, it reads 50mph or less.

[@ekbusdriver]

It was not able to. It seems to be consistent with all I have read about the F150 diesel. Unloaded, it is a good engine, but it performs poorly under even a moderate trailer weight.

[@kenhughes9437]

WOW the little 6 in the Duramax beat it by over a minute

[@Titantramp4u]

I'm a little surprised at how much this diesel struggled during the climb compared to just about any gas powered truck, all manufactures included. That being said many are too young to remember in the mid to late Eighties and early Nineties the trucks of the day were the 454cid big block putting out a whole 230-250 hp and around 360 lb/ft of torque. Those trucks were good for about 45 mph towing 9000 lbs up our local 6 percent grade, so in those terms the little diesel performed ok. I bring that up because all the truck manufactures today have gas engines pulling around that load 60 mph up the Ike....laughing at the trucks of old...

[@YZBot]

It's purely a limitation of horsepower. Everyone always likes to salivate at the torque numbers, but seem to forget that horsepower is the measure of the rate at which the torque can be applied. It's all math and doesn't take much work to see where the diesel is going to lose it's advantage to the gas engine, in respect to putting power to the ground. There is actually a point in which the little 3.3L V6 base engine will put more power to the ground and walk away from the 3.0L powerstroke. It's purely a matter of engine speed and how the torque is multiplied through the transmission and final drive ratio. It's not rated to pull that much (why Ford?) but the 2.7L Ecoboost would walk away from the 3.0L pulling the same weight.

[@Titantramp4u]

I agree with you all the way, just expected a little more....Thanks

[@desertdieselgang7985]

This is true I've had my 7.3l for 18 years and have had many new f series trucks and they out perform the old 7.3l ten fold in stock form. However in the last 18 years the 7.3 has watched many trucks come and go and fail doing things it's done on a daily basis, my kill count is (2) 6.0 (1)6.4l my favorite of the trucks and (1) 6.7 , meanwhile I'm 500k on a modified 7.3 still going strong

[@estebanamador7601]

@@desertdieselgang7985 that's why "there's no replacement for displacement". It's not the same thing to have a 250hp 3.0 liter engine vs a 7.3

[@2003evodave]

Yes, I bought new several of those 454s and still have two today. One is a 1995 Chev HD 3500 dump truck with 82k original miles and another is a 1994 Chev regular duty 3500 service body with 78k miles both stock were junk! Since these were for commercial use they only come with a 12 month 12k warranty so after that we started the upgrades IE HD transmission coolers and engine oil coolers plus added elc fans, full exhaust replacement from the head to the tip, new cam, cold air intake, lower temp thermostat, reworked heads and valves. Yes it all helped but not enough so tried a couple complete engine rebuilds with all high performance parts,,,,,still not worth it and too many issues so bought a couple crate engines from Chev IE low compression 502 ci with 450 HP and one HD 502 ci 500 HP both were given better exhausts, and intakes which on the dyno put out 15% better than rated. This was now getting better until we had people unable to use this power who broke everything from front to back including the engines plus the fuel bills were worst than our full sized dump trucks with 15 liter diesels pulling trailers. The moral of the story is the new Ram 3500 Cummings or Ford 450/550 diesels we run now are light years ahead of any gasoline engine today in towing, long lasting durability and MPG. The lightest truck we use is the Ram 3500 and as for those two old low mileage chebbies,,,they are the garbage, fire wood and junk clean up rigs plus the ones the workers or friends can borrow anytime.

[@ortiz11039]

That good work on Ford. Thanks for the test guys.

[@csh000]

8,700 lbs trailer with 10% tongue weight of 870 lbs on a truck with 1,314 lbs payload. I can see why it squatted 3". You only had 444 lbs of payload available for occupants and 150 lbs to the driver. Do the three of you weight less than 594? That's the problem I have with half ton trucks, the only way to tow near the limit is to drive solo. Otherwise you're over the weight limit while pulling a trailer thousands of lbs below the advertised weight limit.

[@mikesdd07]

Shawn Hudson where do you see what the payload is for this truck?

[@csh000]

mikesdd07 7:52

[@eric3030]

I have a 2017 max tow 3.5 and my payload is just under 1600lbs. It would be over 2000 if I didnt have the 20" rims. I wonder if something similiar is at play here? Or is a Diesel just that much heavier?

[@gavinbooshu4737]

3 inches of squat before they even went in the truck. Not while they were in the truck. So it wasn’t even fully loaded yet.

[@banderson5676]

I thought i was watching 'Off the Ranch' for a minute with that music!

[@tsr6]

I'm curious to see what shakes out on this truck. I had the EcoDiesel Ram - but any savings on fuel were quickly ate up with other costs. The fuel filter that needed to be changed, and then the oil filter which took a full year and a half before aftermarket filters became available, and then the 10 quarts of Rotella T6 aren't cheap versus a Hemi with 7 quarts of synthetic and a $11 filter is much cheaper - plus no fuel filter to change every 10,000mi too I ditched the EcoDiesel for those reasons, and I had concerns with it's longevity - already had sensors replaced out of warranty before I traded it in.

[@leadnsteel1428]

It's a Fiat diesel thats the problem. I agree diesels are higher maintenance but I have the diesel Colorado and I do the oil and filters myself. I buy everything online and save money versus buying the stuff at the store. My Colorados fuel filters doesent have to change until about 30,000 miles or 50,000km, and I did those myself it was easy

[@craigg4246]

There are so many problems with this video, I hardly know where to begin! First off, this is not anywhere near a fair comparison between a 5.0 V8 and the 3.5 EB. That would require them both to be 4WD and have the same axle ratio. Another mistake Mr Truck, is that the 2018 and newer 5.0L is not a 302. It is a 307. 2017 was the last year for the 302 Coyote. Starting in 2018 a millimeter larger bore, thanks to the switch to plasma cylinders, increased the displacement. Just barely staying within the 5.0L window. The 2018 and newer 5.0 has a different block, with a different bore size, different heads, different cams, different fuel injection, different compression ratio, 12:1 vs 10.5:1. Bigger valves thanks to the bigger bore, etc. this is not, as you say, “the old Coyote” . I would really like to give the normally excellent TFL crew a mulligan on this one, and maybe we can get a real 5.0 V8 to 3.5 EB Ike Gauntlet retest with like equipped trucks? Just sayin....

[@AmericanSurvival001]

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[@TeamRudyProject]

My fav channel by far! However a penalty should have been given. Ford sent this truck to you for testing and it failed. Redo the test fine but with a penalty.

[@therealjohnsmith4811]

Kevin Gentry Pre-production truck that they didn’t have to send at all.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

The Real John Smith pre production doesn't mean SHIT. You fan boys just use it as an excuse. This is the truck that ppl will be buying in a few months!

[@dr.philwantsyouralimony3418]

John Doe last time I checked pre production means it’s not in production and they’re still working out the kinks I don’t think you know what pre production means

[@jimmyaber5920]

Anyone that has worked at a car dealer has seen many new model release vehicles in the last few years that arrive and already have service messages to reflash this module or that module before sale. The assembly plants have to run and early builds often have software known to not be final and will be fixed before customer delivery. Obviously the software can get revisions at any time in the vehicle’s life. If you have your head up your ass and want to hate then stick your head back up your ass and disregard the truth from someone that works in the business (but not for any of the brands selling half ton PUs).

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

JynxxRebels it's in production you idiot! Have a reading comprehension problem?? This is what ppl will be getting in a few months!

[@danielsherrill7085]

I'd love to have a beer and talk trucks with these guys. I think that would be fun

[@timfox2344]

Great Vid .... gremlins in the codes, as long as it’s a quick interface fix vs days/weeks at the shop, not too bad. Kudos to Ford on the new F-150 Glad you’re out there testing & giving information on safely towing capabilities... never would’ve known about decrease in weight recommendations by Ford for elevations without you passing info down nor would’ve known about Ram’s software that detunes engine at elevation. Educated drivers on the road are better than Hold my Beer guys that are overloaded & barely maintaining their lanes

[@wildbill23c]

Yep I'll keep my vehicles that don't have a computer in them to tell them what to do.

[@stormbytes]

Thank you for providing yet ANOTHER REASON to stick to the 5L V8 naturally aspirated Ford engine.

[@whatisgoinon9491]

You do realize that was a computer calibration issue and not a mechanical one correct?

[@rustypliers74]

My 3.5l will make a 5.0 look like a peach

[@garyroberts7257]

@@rustypliers74 until the turbo shits the bed at about 100k been there done that I'll stick to a good ole v8

[@poppyneese1811]

I get tickled at the guys that say, that ain’t as good as a 250,that ain’t a real truck and their right, it’s a light duty truck, not all of us need a heavy duty truck. I love my 150, but ain’t no way I’m getting near 60 grand for a truck, my 150 was half the cost of this truck and does everything I need it to.

[@trailertrashtactics]

Hahaha. I love the dramatic scene when the dash light goes on Great video guys

[@Humblescape]

There’s nothing about this truck that justifies that price. You simply aren’t getting enough truck for the buck. If you see any of these on the road in the future the odds are the owner isn’t very truck savvy.

[@wildbill23c]

You're right but people here in the US are dumb enough to pay the price so automakers will continue to artificially inflate prices until people stop opening their wallets.

[@clintmullins4406]

Well you are truly ignorant of the product. This truck has more options than the average Lexus. It will steer, stop and drive itself. Lane keep assist, auto stop, radar cruise, Has air conditioned seats, the only glass that isn’t power is the windshield. Tail gate is cool, 10 speed, power step. I’m not saying it’s a good idea or a good value but to SOME people having all this stuff is important and Ford is way ahead of dodge or Chevy in the technology department. I sat in a 50k Lexus and the f150 had more options more cache and guess what? It was faster off the line.

[@rememberthefallen1970]

@@clintmullins4406 I know this is a long time ago but... thank you!!! Alot of people don't understand this!!

[@naten555]

This is a cool test. I wish you guys would do a Cayenne Diesel tow Gauntlet test.

[@TheCompyshop]

Wow this comment section is extremely toxic. Guys. THIS IS A PRE-PRODUCTION TRUCK THEY ARE TESTING. This is why they build preproduction trucks and hand them out to reviewers, so that they can find the kinks and fix them so customers can get the best experience. Everyone here is so full of themselves, and so quick to just hop on the hate bandwagon. Because they found this small issue, they were able to pinpoint the problem and now all new trucks will have this same software update before they hit dealerships.

[@OpenAirAdventure]

TheCompyshop they're not just testing it they are scoring it. Just a test would be great for consumers but this is gold hitch with a trophy. So let's send it back to ford again so the boys can test it a third time and bring the score up. Maybe add some leaf springs so it won't squat as much and gain some points.

[@rb3tactical145]

trash, typical ford

[@leehancock2782]

This pickup is toxic

[@kevinparker9932]

TheCompyshop like any truck review it come down to opinions and no facts!

[@jasonharrison25]

Shackles let them do it. Nothing wrong with fixing problems. In the end the customer wins when it becomes a production vehicle (except for price). All the other manufacturers have the same ability to reprogram there trucks and get them retested for a higher score. But some feel it [the tested vehicle] is up to their standards and no additional changes are needed. I like the fact that Ford even listen to them and made the update. I am not even a Ford fan and drive a chevy but I do like that they will fix these bugs before sending it out

[@Brokeniggashateme]

I’d get this still !

[@OneOneNineFilms]

You can't expect a small displacement engine to have any sort of significant engine braking. I never understood why you guys just let the thing sit at redline. It doesn't have an exhaust brake and 1/2 ton trucks aren't semis, use the truck and trailer brakes like a normal person.

[@boho3785]

OneOneNineFilms that’s true. There’s no jake on these small diesels

[@rxonmymind8362]

2018 Ram 2500 Laramie Longhorn with 6.7 Cummins engine. $54k NICELY equipped. Depends on options but you get 350hp 600- 800 lb torque, 2000-3000 payload etc... $54k.

[@zacharymorris9917]

And you get a cheap, piece of shit peasant truck...

[@formerice]

Glad, Ram, Ford and GM are offering small diesels. Love my Ram Ecodiesel.

[@AmericanSurvival001]

the best and has NO timing belt!!

[@jacobstrutner8232]

EGR alone will destroy them in 150k miles. After that all diesels are time bombs

[@100pyatt]

2018 F-150 Powerstroke, 125k miles getting 33-36mpg highway at 68mph and using 1oz FPPF cetane boost (2EHN) per 10gal

[@ScoobyFermentation]

Nathan looks so excited to be there, as usual.

[@jacobking4106]

I would be too if I had his job!

[@mikeriv60]

So what was the actual reason Ford stopped producing this engine? Just not worth it?

[@rhill109]

Pre production units on a brand new products always need to be dialed in. Ford employee here and was very concerned about the first run failure till I found out it’s a PP unit. No worries then.

[@CMH_1975]

stf-ran exactly. All these people crying about the retest obviously don't understand "preproduction" apparently. I work at KTP and we've ran a few 2019's this week. The window sticker says "NOT FOR SALE" across it. I know there is at least one new color, a new trim option, and a weird 450 option that may be coming as well.

[@OpenAirAdventure]

Pennywise has nothing to do with testing the truck it's the fact that it's points for gold hitch. Test the truck all day that's great for consumers but to bring it back to up the score is wrong. Who says they can't run the truck the third time after ford fixes it's squatting issue as they stated , there's a few more points for gold hitch if they beaf up the suspension for test number three.

[@wildbill23c]

No worries until the truck goes to limp mode on the freeway at 80mph and you get your ass ran over by the semi-truck you were in front of when your sissified truck decided to shut itself down.

[@OpenAirAdventure]

William Todd my 6.7 powerstroke shut me down on the highway with fifth wheel on. Dirty particulate filter. Why can't they give you a 500 mile warning, that way you can get home safe and make appointment at dealer. They would rather risk your life than pollute the air for a few miles.

[@jza80king]

stf-ran why test a preproduction vehicle then? Just curious because if it's nit a finished product why would you test it? Not trying to argue, to me it just doesn't make sense.

[@scottdurkee9162]

Love it...Steeler Nation in the house !

[@EU-ip7wm]

Yaahhh! U did it Ford. You made a truck that only breaks down 50% of the time. And for a bargain, just under 68k.

[@bradleymorgan8223]

I love diesel as a premise, but i'm still in school working part time. I just got a 2013 f-150 stx with the 3.7l v6, and it is waaaay nicer than any diesel i could have afforded.

[@cheeznhard]

Would love to see you guys test the new 2018 F150 5.0 10 speed

[@makingitmine]

I'll stick with my Ecoboost. The horsepower and torque are amazing. The only downside is fuel economy.

[@warrior5223]

Further proving the EcoBoost is the better truck

[@100pyatt]

MPG is where these shine, we get 33-36 highway without effort and 25-28 city

[@brandonmcfarland5200]

That F-150 Powerstroke Diesel Pulling 8700 LBS Went Sorry Up The Hill!

[@jeff3220]

I think that everyone who want to tow over 8k IBS is going to jump to the f250.

[@joeygallegos3503]

Especially for the price, this truck would be a good if it was in the 35k range and came in an xlt

[@100pyatt]

Needs about 280-300hp and it would be perfect. It's only a little short on power for the 11,500 lb towing

[@brianaustin6184]

To many city folks out here driving trucks that don’t know what their doing,well same goes for a lot of people on the road in general,but if you can’t sit in that seat and do the work without the technology you shouldn’t be towing,last thing you and the general public need is your tow assist features and back up features to fail you in a time of need,and you put yourself and others in a situation. Thats like our trucking industry and the way it is to many people incapable in reality to do the job so they try and creat tech so in capable people can do the job without being able to actually do it without it, this tech should be a luxury in peoples mind not a dependency.

[@rdsii64]

And to think I'm still rock'n a 2006 xlt supercab. She ain't pretty anymore but her best feature is that $000.00 monthly payment.

[@chiefbeef2947]

rdsii64 insurance

[@duramax78]

My buddy just bought a fx4 and you enter all the data of your trailer, go through a learning mode, and it will actually back right under the trailer ball.

[@BigBadJohnDiesel]

No half ton is worth 68k! You might as well buy a 250 or 350 for the same money! It's all about the bang for your buck!

[@AkaAndyKnuckles]

Wow. That is pricey. I love Mr Truck's style. Truly American.

[@MrTruckTV]

thanks

[@dustyrusty7956]

As a Ford F-150 Lariat owner for many years, I can attest to the "there is no replacement for displacement" saying. Gimme the big assed V-8 gas engine.

[@Rangerxpcrew]

Thanks for a great video, wonderful looking truck must be great them points were flying.

[@1FiftyOverland]

Id rather have a veh that can maintain the speed limit towing , rather then a few more mpg's. love my 2.7l ecoboost!!

[@mitchvus]

Southern Nevada offroading and back country I hear ya.I love my 1st Gen 3.5 eco.got 150k with a decent chunk towing Max capacity.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

Biggest piece of shit ever!

[@robh6638]

Plastic oil pan and turbo no thanks. Let's see what it costs to maintain after 30 years like my idi . Or if it is even on the rd

[@1FiftyOverland]

@@robh6638 lol.....you definitely deal with oil leaks 🤣🤣

[@billywilliams6853]

Needs a Exhaust brake system.

[@nybotor]

I am a Ford person for sure, but after seeing all of Ford’s fails on your tests I get the impression that they aren’t quite up to the job of towing. Then again, this truck’s problems were due to being a pre-production vehicle.

[@wildbill23c]

Of course not, they're 1/2 ton trucks they're built to show off not be towing heavy loads, maybe your little boat, popup camp trailer, or a small travel trailer, but not huge 7k+ trailers...that's what 3/4 and 1 ton trucks are built for. Ford as well as other manufacturers love to play the towing/hauling numbers game but in reality they don't give a shit because once they have your money they're out of the picture, so when you hookup to that 12k trailer because Ford says that little 4 cylinder F150 can tow it and you go plowing through a line of cars that's your fault.

[@DennisMarwood]

Kinda surprised there was no mention of the missing exhaust break on this one. Or maybe I just missed it.

[@funfun3015]

Fuel savings??? When you pay for def egr valve problems nox sensors u won't. Be saving nothing

[@jshapiro34]

Or a 125$ on a good day for oil change and fuel filters. Yeah gas trucks are the way to go unless you tow constant heavy weight that 13mpgs vs 8 mpgs a gas truck gets

[@AmericanSurvival001]

timing belt!!

[@100pyatt]

30+ mpg pays for allot of things. If you can't afford $100 oil changes you need a used and cheap truck, not a new one. The Eco boost has 2 turbos to fail and still has water problems in the intercooler etc etc

[@emant007]

Got to love the trailer foreplay.

[@johnjones-sv9pe]

Nathan didn't look to impressed with that truck, I would never pay almost 70K for a truck sorry

[@jamesnull2734]

Hooray!, Shirts with collars, seems a bit more deliberate of a test....

[@trevorthomas1030]

Do you remember when Andre didn't really speak English, well look at him now.

[@Tony4aro]

Thanks for the shout out to Pittsburgh !! (Steelers hat) But I agree with the posts below... Ford only reprogrammed because YOU GUYS found the issue, and showed it to the world. I'm guessing it would have taken a lot longer if their customers were yelling about the issue. Because of that... the original test holds in my head. Something like a tow test should have been performed before they gave you a truck to test. Pre-production or not. On that note... is it still "Pre-Production"?? I thought they were hitting the dealers already. Regardless... love your tests. Keep up the good work.

[@DoRC]

I guess Ford never thought to go down a hill with a heavy trailer before.......

[@wildbill23c]

This is what you get when you put sissys in charge of building work vehicles, you get a car that can't handle a little hill.

[@dragon81heart]

Tow haul modes are, eh, interesting at best. I personally used it once and then turned it off. I learned to drive way back before they had anything like that and I prefer to do the shifting myself. It’s a good feature for novices, but if you can’t control your truck and trailer without the computer doing the work for you, well, maybe you shouldn’t be towing anything let alone a decent sized load.

[@wildbill23c]

Totally agree, tow/haul mode meant shifting gears later, and downshifting sooner, no cruise control, to trailer sway control, never had a problem shifting gears and would rather shift gears than have a computer deciding which from experience is never right.

[@1320fastback]

I don't think they ever figured one would make it to the top and need to go down.

[@hochhaul]

The problem is that starting in 2015, Ford decided to built pickups intended to get the best MPG at the expense of everything else. Instead of building tough half-tons, they now make the prius of half-tons. The suspension is softer than it used to be, the suspensions components aren't nearly as heavy duty as they used to be (thin sheetmetal control arms instead of the previous heavy forged steel control arms Ford used to brag up), the 4WD uses plastic hub locks for better fuel economy, the bed is controversial for its strength and durability.The truck is tuned to get the best MPG running to the grocery store and back.

[@sterr1]

I like the look and interior of the Ford's however not enough to give up my ecodiesel.

[@franciscojavierrayos]

You know was crazy. Some people will buy this thing and they will say they got a great deal on it

[@coolmofo123]

I got a great deal on it :)

[@Koogz406]

Literally just watch a video on 3.0 duramax and someone comment on how my problems he is going to have with the chevy and how his 3.0 ford is bulletproof and has never even heard of any issues with them at all so i sent him this link...

[@lordrichard8184]

I love the Ike gauntlet! It’s a fantastic testing ground! I was wondering if you can do a video about how your able to get the trucks for the Ike gauntlet. Seems like you’d have to have a great relationship with the car dealerships to be able to barrow a truck to take it to the Ike gauntlet and up gold mine hill and put like 800 miles on a brand new truck.

[@brandon5757]

Why in the first attempt show the odometer at over 2700 miles and then on the re run, the odometer was at 700 miles? Was it not the same truck?

[@TFLtruck]

It is indeed the same truck. You are not seeing the entire odometer there.

[@brandon5757]

Oh ok, I see it now. Thanks for the quick response guys!

[@leehancock2782]

1st truck D.O.A.. 😂😂😂

[@camonly849]

Love the diesel engine, the torque isn't bad, but the hp should be like 320. Maybe 500 ft lbs. That truck would be a monster.

[@aaronarmstrong406]

For the price why wouldn't you just get a super duty?

[@PureCountryof91]

For some it's a size issue.. super duty trucks are huge..

[@100pyatt]

Price difference is extreme too vs 6.7

[@chrismcfee6785]

Why havent you tested the 3.3L v6? seems like it could be a good daily driver. no turbos to worry about. 5000lb towing which is probably enough for most people needs that use it as family hauler.

[@davewoodmancy4596]

Ford had their shot at the test the first time. Are you going to let all the manufacturers take your truck back and reprogram them to compensate for any deficiencies that they may have had?

[@OpenAirAdventure]

Dave Woodmancy totally agree , they should have scored the truck that day. Also in this test ford lost points for squat , will they send it back so the manufacturer to strengthen the leaf springs just to do the test again? Or send it back to correct for interior faults that Nathan picked out?

[@ncurc9766]

They retested it because ford sponsors the channel, why do you think the Ford's always score the highest

[@TFLtruck]

Ford pays us the the exact same amount that Chevy pays you to post this comment.

[@davewoodmancy4596]

We're just making an observation. All the manufacturers have millions of dollars and thousands of people that they could throw it any of these pre-production trucks if they wanted to. The fact that they were not prepared properly is on Ford and nobody else. I'm not a Chevy guy or 4 guy or Toyota guy. But if you gave forward to Chances then you need to give them all two Chances

[@OpenAirAdventure]

The Fast Lane Truck you going to say the same thing to me also. I drive a Ford f250 so not here as a Chevy fan. No more second chances should be the policy. If not then open up your testing to third test and so on. Keep going until the truck scores 100%. Like it or not your running a contest with a trophy in the end.

[@nycmaverick]

Nice Baby Truck

[@antitheist5567]

68 grand is too much for an F-150..

[@MDKN22]

You guys need to do the 3.3L V6 run up... I would like to see that!

[@82mattlopez]

For $68000 I'm buying a f250 powerstroke.

[@jeffm8882]

Matt Lopez no one is paying that much after all discounts. People are getting a $10k minimum discount for these models and 0% financing.

[@Sinister_Reaper]

am i the only one who wanted him to yell GET TO DA CHOPPAAAAAAA!!!! lmao

[@Bshwag]

look at the size of that sun roof

[@Cobb]

Did they say why it failed the first time? Reprogramming the ECU is pretty general, maybe just electrical gremlins.

[@OmarSpence]

Let's see a Rivian R1T

[@NVSRides]

I would still love to drive one of these.

[@ss442es]

I wonder what is going to happen when Tesla or Fiskar comes out with an electric pickup truck that has about 175 hp per wheel? The regeneration going down hill would be a plus. Thanks for the ride guys, outstanding as always!

[@CMH_1975]

Ed Sunderland we don't need Tesla spreading their stupid electric, self driving bullshit to the truck industry. Last thing we need are idiots towing 20,000 pounds with their hands off the wheel while watching a Harry Potter movie.

[@ss442es]

I didn't say anything about self driving anything Mr. Bozo I simply asked a question and you went off the rails all liberal like, and I also mentioned Fiskar. Electric motors are the highest torque engines around which is why locomotives are diesel electrics. Further, a stock Tesla can outrun damned near everything in your zip code. I refuse the idea of self driving cars and airplanes. You make far too many assumptions there. Harry Potter? Who's that?

[@CMH_1975]

Ed Sunderland I don't care if you mentioned it or not. If Tesla wanted to build a truck they'd have that self driving crap in it. I know about electric motors and the torque they make. I don't care how fast a Tesla is. They're ugly vehicles in my opinion and no they can't cause you apparently don't know the types of cars in my zip code. Apparently you didn't see the story of the idiotic Tesla driver who died while watching a Harry Potter movie and didn't have his hands in the wheel while doing it.

[@ss442es]

No, I am really not interested in Teslas, no I didn't hear about the Harry Potter incident and I think autopilots for airplanes are great but you do have to spend all your time checking to be sure the autopilot is working properly, but they do reduce work load like cruise control. Teslas and Fiskars regardless of the self driving aspect which I dislike too by the way, are far too expensive for the average person kind of like new Fords and Chevy's today that seem more like a mortgage than a car loan. I do want the oil companies to have some kind of competition. Right now OPEC still controls the price of crude when we produce more oil than the OPEC leader Saudi Arabia. However, the oil monopoly is happy to use Saudi manipulation to keep oil prices artificially high by slowing or stopping production and keeping any excess off the market that would lead to a reduction in fuel prices.

[@ss442es]

Same thing you do when you run out of gas and have an overheated motor before you get to the top of the hill I guess? All I did was ask the question " wonder what is is going to happen when?" I wasn't trying to challenge anyone.

[@tundras4ever552]

The buttons on his vest were about to take someone's eye out lmao

[@travis9791]

LOL 6.5ft is a long bed. Isn't 8ft a long bed? Does anyone even get a 8ft one anymore? I what I would need, but I would never find a used one out there.

[@a-carpenter9229]

Travis Alexander you can't get an 8ft bed with crew cab in an F-150 but I think you can if you go to the F-250 and up, Toyota Tundra has an 8ft bed option but you wouldn't have the same leg room in the back seat because they shorten up the cab

[@matthewd6306]

It's the longest bed you can get with the f150 supercrew. Should they call it the "Longer" bed instead of "Long" bed? Would that satisfy you?

[@tomsteadman9520]

I'd prefer they called it a full short bed. That seems more accurate.

[@thegeneral7484]

Travis Alexander Tundra had one for 10 years 300k

[@supadoopa926]

A -Carpenter You can't get an 8' bed on any 1/2 ton crew cab. You can get a supercab F-150 with an 8' bed.

[@youngblood23rb]

Appreciate the effort guys but not feeling the re-run, would rather see a new test of another vehicle

[@RyanMcIntyre]

Has Ford stopped piping in V8 ambience noises? Or is that still a thing?

[@jeremyh4180]

I will stick with the 5.0 v8 proven, reliable, durable and it sounds great before and even better after you take the muffler off.😁

[@mikedurham3563]

Why even care about how much it squats under load? That's a simple spring rate/lever calculation based on where you place the load in relation to the point the spring acts in the suspension. It would be just as useful to just provide the spring rates used by the manufacturers.

[@ryanmartinage]

$68k.. Ill take the fire breathing TT 3.5 any day.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

Ryan Martinage screw that eco crap.. I'll take the 5.0 over all that!

[@mmholling87]

@@JohnDoe-nz6bk 5.0 feels weak below 3500 rpm compared to the EcoBoost.

[@JKZ103]

I feel the "gaps in the interior" comment was knit picky... I find the f150 interior great. I do have a platinum though so I know there are a few differences. The little power stroke is cool. Perfect for someone who doesn't need 400 hp and tows frequently. The mpg is appealing too. I average about 18-19 mpg in my 3.5, if I race someone it does drop though. Great trucks by ford I just wish they would sort out their valve cover cracking and phaser issues

[@FORD4LIFE73]

For that price u can get an f250 with a 6.7 powerstroke

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

FORD4LIFE73 lariat at that!

[@jeffm8882]

14mpg vs 24mpg, F-250 much heavier truck and also larger if you don’t need a super duty.

[@tbthedozer]

Is this a 2018 truck or a 2019 truck the graphics seem to indicate 2018 but the reviewers say 2019 Golden Hitch..I get that the first test may have been last year but that was black and white video where the 2018 graphic popped up once or twice.. TFL does a good job of producing videos just this one seems uncharacteristic of your normally excellent attention to detail. Keep up the good work.

[@whiteheat64gaming3]

I don’t appreciate the fact that you guys left out the fact that the truck FAILED it’s first run in your scoring. I know it’s a pre production truck but still it’s engine and transmission gave up on the down hill which could have been potentially dangerous to an average driver with little towing experience. I just think that if a truck fails an IKE run but you retest it and it passes that a failure to complete the test should subtract points after the successful test.

[@massalo85]

WhiteHeat64 Gaming Like you even said it’s a preproduction truck that means still in testing for bugs and other issues. What you are saying is like a tech web site reviewing a beta version of iOS or android and then complaining about bugs. Then called the final version trash because of the betas