Can the 2020 Ram EcoDiesel Out-tow the Mighty HEMI on the World's Toughest Towing Test? Ike Gauntlet

[@Turvok]

I bought the eco diesel with the 3.92 axle ratio. Pulls equal to my 2013 hemi did and gets double the fuel economy almost. (15 compared to 8 mpg). Best truck I've ever owned. 2020 ecodiesel limited.

[@MrCurt54661]

What kind of mpg does your new truck get when not towing?

[@Turvok]

@@MrCurt54661 I average around 30.1 mpg. Combined. Driving 70-80 mph on hwy. 8.9L/100km and 115-125 km/h for metric people.

[@paden55]

Sold my 2016 Limited in 2019. Wish that I never would have but needed to unfortunately. Best truck ever

[@johnnyburgess1989]

Love my 2021 Limited Ecodiesel! So far the best truck I’ve ever had!

[@T410ce]

@@Turvok Holy Crap are you serious? 30mpg is unreal; I didn’t know the ecodiesels were that good on fuel.

[@bailey78]

I have a 2014 ecodeisel had a few issues with it the first couple years. But it has proven to be a reliable vehicle the last six years. Tows my tractor just fine.

[@juanggqrza679]

Results Hemi- 7.42 minutes 4.7 mpg Ecodiesel- 8.43 minutes 5.4 mpg

[@russ2714]

I wonder what the mpg of the Hemi would be if the speed up the mountain was as slow as the Ecodiesel.

[@BigGroupHug]

Knowing at what RPM your motor produces peak Torque goes a long way to improving your economy while towing. The 5.7 V8 doesn't have actually have hemispheric piston heads, they're the same as any other interfere engine.

[@dragoonTT]

@@BigGroupHug You're right, it's a better design shaped more like a canoe instead of a true hemispherical plain like the old heads.

[@JPE_DRAEB]

Not worth the extra 5k.. IMO!

[@Joshie2256]

@@JPE_DRAEB That's $5k over a 3.6 V6. The hemi is a $1495 option in the same truck so the step increase is $3500.

[@tx4runner459]

For those curious; I own a 2020 Ram Ecodiesel Longhorn. Has the max trailer package w/ 3.55 axle ratio, 4x4 3.0L Turbo diesel. It feels torquey. Those wondering about the fuel mileage, I pull a 5,800 pound camper with this truck (which has 21k miles and is bone stock). Typically I’m able to maintain around 12-13 mpg @ 65mph. Without a trailer, max mpg I’ve seen (driving from Texas to Illinois) was 32 mpg. Of course, going up steep grades and being at altitude will cause more strain and bring down the mpg significantly. I can’t speak for large grades and altitude however, I haven’t traveled any farther west than New Mexico in this truck yet.

[@keithdaniels1994]

I like the fact you can get the Tradesman with a Eco Diesel. Looks like they finally got the Eco Diesel sorted out.

[@adamderoches8723]

Not anymore only come in rebel packages moving forward

[@keithdaniels1994]

@@adamderoches8723 Sounds like they stole a page out of the GM play book.

[@MrAdamJoel]

You guys could sell your show to a cable tv channel. “This Old House” meets “Car and Driver”. Great corny humor and you know your numbers. Great job. Can’t wait to get a 2020 Ram thanks to your videos over the last year.

[@devodar2579]

That Ram truck is the benchmark for sure. They are siphoning tons of cash from the other tuck makers and showing them how a well engineered truck should perform. Great show Ram!

[@blanecotie3359]

Family member of mine has a 22 eco diesel and he loves it. Bad to the bone truck

[@bobcat5412]

Great video. How about you do a comparison between all 3 diesels. MPG, Performance and towing. I'd love to see the results especially against the GM. Thanks.

[@six2fourU]

I agree. Do a comparison of all three but with similar drivetrains and cab configurations.

[@disophisis]

I'd like to see how the different factory gear ratios compare as well. That would be quite a few different configurations I guess.

[@wiseguyspro-wash451]

Yes but please do one 2wd, one 4wd, and one on only 3 wheels. Put a chip in one, unplug the glow plugs of another, and hook a parachute to the last one. Make it random too.

[@dannyellrich5827]

The GM 3.0 ran 8 minutes flat

[@grumpyengg5978]

As always, thanks for the great job TFL. Anxiously awaiting a GM comparison like this. 5.3 gas vs new I6 diesel.

[@brandedmcgowan9414]

5.3 would get stomped lol, better a 6.2 would compare against the 3.0, both put out 460 lb ft tq. 1500rpm diesel 4100rpm gas both max

[@ArcolaBridge]

The new ecodiesel is awesome, they made it a proper truck finally. But they discontinued it?! The emissions stuff is so bogus, killing the truck from inside out right from the start to when it finally busts.

[@alanj7306]

I’m really starting to like the Ram Ecodiesel. Looks like a great truck and for a very good price.

[@JanBartos24]

Finally! Can't miss any episode of Ike Gauntlet!

[@Hemidakota]

I am so impressed with the Ecodiesel.

[@matthewbrake1811]

So is this the same preproduction truck that Ram gave you and said "you cant trust the dash readout cause we're still calibrating it"?

[@The1969shelbymustang]

So the only real problem in this video I noticed was the towing time which in turn would be the pickup speed. The squat can be fix very easy if your going to be pulling that kind of weight. The 1/2 mpg shouldn't be such a big deal. What should be in the factor is 0-45 mph for pickup speed and 45-0 mph stopping power. On a incline, decline and level ground because everyone wants to know the safety of the towing capabilities. I think the sound test is pretty cool. I also think if it has 4x4 it should have a roll in there somewhere and not for playing in the mud or off roads.

[@rono3045]

Yep the gasser's at 5,000 RPM sounds like it's going to blow up the whole time it's pulling that Hill and the diesels just lugging away no problem

[@deanieweenie116]

I like seeing the temperatures, we need more of that.

[@rwhipple73]

I towed around 7000lbs across the same section of road last year with my 2015 Ecodiesel Ram and let me tell you, towing that heavy with a 1/2 ton is stressful. I had a few time where I was pedal to the floor and barely keeping 35mph on some grades going from grand junction to Denver. With my “setup” it sure was blowing some smoke due to lack of o2. And I did much better fuel economy that than they show here. It’s not a race when you tow heavy.

[@kcbyrd_37]

thats good to know fuel economy can be better. My 09 silverado 2500 with the 6.0 and 6 speed trans stays between 7-8 mpg towing. there are times where i have to tow and it wont go past 4th gear. I keep going back and forth between wanting an EcoDiesel vs a Cummins just cause of the fuel economy. i have a car hauler when loaded weighs around 8000 lbs. Dont want to spend the extra money on a bigger truck when im not constantly towing with it if i dont have to.

[@vannfe11]

@@kcbyrd_37 I have a friend with a '21 2500 Cummins and she she gets 19 mpg. If you tow heavy up grades, ecodiesel is not the way to go. If I had a Cummins, I would never trade it for this. I'm in the market for a new truck now and due to the lack of deals on the 2500's I'm going to have to get a 1500 but it'll be a Hemi. I've been using a 2004 F150 5.4 gas and it's rated for 9000 and has towed my horses across the country just fine several times. So a Hemi will work. I'd like to have the extra cushion of the Cummins, but that's just not in the budget right now since there aren't any financing deals and haven't been since March '21. I only wish the Hemi came in a 3.73 axle instead of 3.92. I think it would be a better happy medium between the 3.21 and 3.92 balancing towing and economy.

[@vannfe11]

What's your axle ratio on your ecodiesel? I've been towing a bp horse trailer with a 5.4 v8 2wd and a 3.73 axle and it handles grades just fine loaded. I'm fixing to get the Hemi 3.92 but I had originally wanted the ecodiesel...until I spoke with diesel mechanics and folks that have towed horses with it and said no.

[@toofastnobrakes]

Lol, now compare the 2019 2500 with the 6.4hemi vs the Cummins Also plz get a 6.4 hemi paired with the 4.10. The 3.73 doesn’t compare when towing

[@JsGarage]

6.4L has 8 speed now so the need for 4.10 gears with stock tires isn’t nearly as important as before.

[@JeffBrauss]

Yes! Can’t wait to see the 8 speed paired with the 6.4.

[@Big.Ron1]

I would like this as well. I am leaning towards purchasing the Ram Cummins 2500 but would love to see the big hemi as well. Both set up for towing, in 4wd. I will be buying a 3/4 ton regular cab 4wd. Ford and GM are more towards a different clientele than me. It will be a desert, daily driver, weekend pull the camper truck. No leather. Too hot here in the desert.

[@toofastnobrakes]

Jay P I’ve pulled with both axle ratios and the 8 speed, And Believe me. You really notice the difference on hills

[@historygradstu]

@@Big.Ron1 I went with the 2500 cummins tradesman about a year ago, it has plenty of amenities for me with it being plain Jane right out of the box. I tow 7-8k with plenty of power to spare on many steep grades. it averages 19 when unhooked, when Im towing its at 14 mpg. Ive done the gasser towing thing, it will get the job done, its great if you have to pee every hour...pee& fill up...rinse and repeat....around 6-7 mpg with the same load ( 2500 GMC 6.0) Gas eventually ate a deeper hole in my wallet than diesel did over mixed highway driving. However, Im not sure I would use the cummins as a daily driver, however a lot of people do....your mileage may drop if it has to go through more regens and the EGR may eventually act up forcing you to consider " How in the world did those parts fall off ?". I can honestly say I have never noticed my truck going through a regen, but I do tow at least 50% of the time...probably keeps the soot burned off. Diesel only works for me because I use a beater of a 2002 corolla for daily driving. Def Fluid is a minimal expense, I use about 5 gallons every 10K. If I could find myself a Gasser that gave me 14 mpg at towing 7-8k and 500-600 Ftlbs of torque I would not have bothered with a diesel, but those numbers in a gasser are as elusive as big foot riding a unicorn.

[@Obamne01]

I had the 5.7 in a 2013 Outdoorsman towing a 5k lbs off-road trailer. When asked I would say "The 5.7 Hemi V8 is the best V6 I have ever owned." Traded it for a Cummins 3 years later.

[@fxrdkingseth925]

Yes the ecodiesel out tows the hemi every day and twice on Sunday and passes gas stations while doing so

[@Guykemp]

You should put the Tradesman 3.55 against a Limited 3.92. Let’s talk “Gold Star” 👍🏼

[@bigdumo]

I would like to see this test again with the 3.92 gears on the eco diesel. would be interesting how much faster it could potentially be.

[@matt-jami-Van]

I have the same question.

[@dandan1364]

Not mentioning the axle ratios is silly. The V8 maxes out at around 12500 and the diesel maxes at around 9600.

[@abrammitchener131]

When Mr.truck heard the comparison between the ram eco diesel and the Ford tiny power stroke the look on the face is priceless

[@dunerinaz]

What happened with the editing on this video. It was all over the place

[@danmcdonald726]

The eco is a very refine diesel, smoother than the hemi at idle imo. But I went hemi because of that sound....it's soooooo goood

[@magicwarrior23]

Are the eco diesel reliable?

[@welikefortnite4867]

Yeah my neighbour has one and it’s got over 370 000 miles on it

[@hammertimebc1934]

Very unreliable

[@Fin.mint.]

Lol. No.

[@derekolsen999]

Love you guys and your real world reviews, as a Co resident I really appreciate the I70 testing

[@jonb2139]

Great video as always guys! I was really surprised by the ecodiesels downhill performance! Looking forward to the 2020 Gold hitch and gold winch awards!

[@JonBecker81]

Didn’t the diesel up shift at around 11:45 and not downshift? The rpms went down which would indicate an up shift.

[@NukePooch1]

Yep. It didn't hold at redline, it upshifted to save itself.

[@JonBecker81]

N Pooch yeah they said it downshifted there. If it had downshifted they would have been picking up engine parts off the road. 😂

[@gpaje]

@@JonBecker81 I think he meant it shifted, he just mispoke.

[@JonBecker81]

gpage they were BOTH talking about how it downshifted 😂. I think they just got a little excited.

[@rockymountboy]

I came down to the comments to make this point. :-)

[@keithhodge395]

I would like to see max tow of any car or truck with a hitch like Jeep Wrangler and so on

[@timcartwright4679]

You know that Ford and GM are going to bump their numbers within the year. 500 ftlb just around the corner.

[@scottleggejr]

Turning on power enrichment would be a start... Adding more/bigger factory cats to prevent 'cat overtemp' would be nice too.

[@joeyoung3319]

SO CLEARLY the ECO-DIESEL DESERVES INCLUSION in EFFICIENCY COMPARISON TESTING between GAS, HYBRID, DIESEL and ELECTRIC HALF-TON PICKUPS... COMPARE THE ECO-DIESEL AGAINST THE LIGHTNING!

[@centrice12]

On your scoring, there should be a category for value also. It is hard to compare apples to apples when there is a $20k+ price difference between the two vehicles.

[@traction4able]

If they ever do a remake of "The Money Pit", it will feature a Range Rover.

[@loukjr]

Can we please get the new 2500 ram 6.4 8 speed on the mountain

[@brandontormaschy6977]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJa6mYuvlMicq68 That 1 not?

[@42ambrocio]

Brandon Tormaschy no that’s 2500 6.4 with a 6 speed the 6.4s with the 8 speed just came out for 2019

[@brandontormaschy6977]

Wondering how my mom has a 2013 1500 big horn, with the 8 speed then?

[@42ambrocio]

@@brandontormaschy6977 does your moms 1500 have a 6.4? No 1500 with the 5.7 and 3.6 have had the 8 speed since 2013 the 2500 with the 6.4 had the 6 speed in 2014 and the 2500s just got the 8 speed with the 6.4 in 2019

[@k.r.v.4219]

Hello, again Andre’ & Mr.Truck! I find the fact the two trucks you are comparing could not be more different than just had or diesel! So I must criticise the validity of the test! To have a completely valid comparison, both truck should be exactly alike in models chosen right down to the differential gears! But I will watch the video anyway to see the outcome! I'm sure the diesel is going to get better mileage, but the Hemi a better time a dynamic performance. One more thing Andre’ that 52 p.s.i. is the OIL pressure! Not the fuel pressure!

[@Perry2186]

Put an Edge programmer on the EcoDiesel diesel tuning is way more effective than gasoline tuners

[@Mulder-jg7ze]

That eco diesel torque didn’t really come through like the Hemi horsepower did & the Hemi didn’t do much worse on mpg ..

[@jveat6598]

Please test the 2019 ram 2500 4x4 6.4 8 speed. Towing and mpg with out towing!

[@AnthonyWilliams-sj6cm]

I have a 2019 6.4 2500. I average 16.5 to 17 mpg per tank. On pretty flat ground I get about 18.6 mpg at 75 mph. Towing around 8,000 lbs up mountain grades I am averaging 8mpg

[@jveat6598]

That’s pretty dang good! Thanks for the info. 👍🏻

[@816morato]

@@AnthonyWilliams-sj6cm Would you say towing 8000 lbs around flat ground would average 10-12mpg? Very very difficult decision for me to make here in the next few weeks, we're picking up a Travel Trailer right after the new year, the model I'm looking at is about 7500lbs, I'm torn between a gas and diesel, my budget is around 50k, I know I can get a 6.4 Hemi Laramie loaded for that give or take a few bucks, or go for a lower Cummins trim, Tradesman maybe big horn It would be a daily driver and my commute is about 3 miles, I'm thinking we'd take the travel trailer out 4-5 times a year, don't really know if a diesel is the smart way to go I've never owned a diesel, just want to make sure I make the right decision...

[@chrisludwig9783]

@@AnthonyWilliams-sj6cm same but I only have a 2018 6.4 dually. I wonder if I could have the 8 speed installed in mine

[@jeffbennett8093]

@@AnthonyWilliams-sj6cm What Gear ratio are you running?

[@paulherring8208]

About dam time the ike is back !!!!!!

[@jessesimpson777]

3:49 "We're all used to it now" Speak for your self. I still loath it.

[@ebels3]

When did they say that? I went back to your timestamp and couldn't find it.

[@Michael_ryan91]

How much weight were they towing??

[@jerkyturkey007]

I'm glad to see the eco diesel did so well. I'm still leery about the way they've set it up internally, my biggest concern is they have the injector pump running off a gear on the passenger side camshaft and I think that's a very bad decision,... time will tell. Great job tfl.

[@robertryan7204]

It is interesting because the engine is basically half the size of the Hemi still it was marginally slower and the Hemi up the hill

[@wesa665]

Gears. 3.92 Hemi 3.55 Ecodiesel 10% difference in rear end gears. MPG 4.7 Hemi 5.4 Ecodiesel 15% difference Time 7.42 Hemi 8.43 Ecodiesel 12% difference Repeat test with same gears.

[@Safety-Third]

Don't forget to add 4x4 and larger tires to the Ecodiesel to match the Rebel.

[@jordanhawkins1031]

I have an ecodiesel and my buddy that works with me has the rebel. We both drive the same distance to work difference is 1 tank of fuel gets me 600-650 miles....he only gets 400-450

[@jedironin380]

Great review. I'd love to see this new Ecodiesel compared to Kelsey's tuned Ecodiesel. Any chance of getting them together? ;)

[@commonsenseguy8189]

Can not beat MPG and fuel cost of a diesel... On a 30 gallon tank a diesel getting 33 MPG will take you 990 miles @ $2.95 gal = $88.50 and to get the same distance on a gas engine getting 20 MPG and @ $2.55 gal = $126.22 with a refuel stop to get the same 990 miles... Oh you say but the DEF fluid... its a 10 gal tank filled about every 3000 miles at $2.55 gal at truck stops so you can add $25.50/3k miles ~ $8.50 to the diesel tank fuel cost so still $97.00 / $126.22 still great savings of $29.22 every tank fill based on these days fuel prices.

[@carrdoug99]

Looks like I've found my new truck👍 The range on these things blew my mind.

[@monsword]

People bashing the cost of DEF may have never owned a diesel truck. I owned a 2015 power stroke. I refill it twice or 3 times a year with 10000miles approx. It costs me 40 bucks total.

[@NukePooch1]

Good video. I still maintain that this truck should be rated the same as the Chevy, at 8-9K pounds max tow. There's no way this would feel safe and comfortable towing TWO TONS more than what is shown in the video...

[@geoffmooregm]

On a 1500 series, with a couple people in the truck and a tank of gas you will very likely exceed your payload before ever reaching the tow rating of the truck if you use a 10% to 15% tongue weight target. I have 4 kids and a dog and check my weights any time the truck scale is closed. A few times I have been a little over GVW on the truck but have never come near the tires rated load.

[@GlennPearsonDIY]

Same chassis as the hemi, which has been rated to tow over 12k lbs for several years now. I own a 2014 ecodiesel, and it does quite well. I of course have airbags and a tune, as well as an engine oil and intercooler upgrade, so its not the same as stock by any means, but it tows awesome. Never had any concerns.

[@geoffmooregm]

@@GlennPearsonDIY 12K house trailer or flat bed?

[@BrianLampright913]

100% agree if you are pulling more than 9k regularity you should be driving an HD truck purely for safety reason. Look at the size of the brakes between and HD and light truck....that single difference alone should convince any skeptic that thinks pulling 12k with a 1500/150 is ok.

[@bigrich7026]

you like 2" of squat as a blanket policy? I would think you understand things are much more dynamic than that? Every truck? Impressive how quiet the eco diesel is. On a different note I am disappointed to hear the new tundra numbers. I have an 07 with headers, exhaust and 4:30's. About 100k miles. The new ttv6 does not impress me. My wife will get the new tundra or a pro if we can hold out that long. I'm going back to 70's Chevys trucks next. 1300 hp is pretty easy these days for some fun..I have heard 1000 is the new 500 HP.

[@msclecarcrzy]

So you have to pay 5k to get the diesel option but yet the hemi out tows it and is only .7mpg difference while towing. I think I would save the 5k and get the hemi

[@lifeshard1686]

True, but that's 14ish% at less than ideal conditions (near redline for 8 minutes). I like the hemi more but I think there are places where the diesel proves its worth

[@msclecarcrzy]

@@lifeshard1686 True, makes you wonder how long that hemi would last under those conditions. If you want to tow just get a 2500.

[@charleswelch694]

The $5,000 option is the cost over the base V6 Pentastar engine, the Hemi V8 non etorque is $1500 option or Hemi V8 with etorque is a $1700 option so the EcoDiesel is technically a $3500/$3300 option cost over the V8 Hemi. and .7mpg better efficiency is 275 gallons less fuel used per 10,000 miles driven so 275 gallons x $3 a gallon = $825, or at $4 a gallon = $1100 and again that's only per 10,000 miles driven.

[@oobiegoobie940]

Did you watch the video? The Rebel is modified, has bigger tires them stock. You can't rely on the lieometer.

[@AkioWasRight]

@@charleswelch694 It's not a 0.7 improvement in an apples to apples comparison. The Hemi is a less efficient spec Rebel CC 4x4. That on top of being modified.

[@mecalpsha4473]

Tradesman package with DIESEL is they way to go.

[@markwill8309]

That's my conclusion too.

[@BiggDaddy479]

Can we get a Ram 5.7 vs 6.4 comparison? I'd like to know how each handles not only the Ike but also the 66 mile loop for mpg hauling the same 9000 lbs trailer. Alot of ppl don't think the diesel is worth the cost, so we need more Hemi vs Hemi content 💥

[@SHAKEnBAKE911]

That in no way was a fair comparison from the packages, the drive type, hell even the gearing was different

[@keithmurphy806]

Makes me glad i got the hemi in my RAM.

[@freeravenadventures6925]

You mean Fiat-chrysler, formally known as Dodge....

[@RideRedRacer]

@@freeravenadventures6925 he never called it a Dodge. unless he updated his post

[@BrianLampright913]

It’s really hard to beat a HEMI they are great motors. And the 8 speed is matched perfectly to it. When you are bored some time look up the cost to repair a HEMI vs and eco boost or diesel and you’ll be even more happy. Head gasket for example is 2x more to repair on anything boosted because of all the extra labor. People don’t realize anything with a turbo is 2x more labor to work on and a simple V8 has a lot of great reasons to purchase.

[@keshmo12]

I drive a ford 6.2. That hemi sounds good going up that hill! It's nice that it let's you give it all! That's what I like about my truck.

[@joerobbins5173]

Great video for a low budget truck not bad

[@larryehrlich8702]

I remember when the Eisenhower tunnel did not exist. There use to be so many 18 wheelers that would loose control and crash going over the pass. This was before the high speed truck escape ramps came into existence, single lanes, winding roads, etc. As far as gas mileage is concerned, speed costs...how fast do you want to go???

[@TheRichardF10]

Love watching these towing videos up and down the Ike gauntlet.

[@10219266]

Okay so I'm 100% a toyota guy. Seriously considering getting a 1500 ecodiesel. Or should I wait for the next gen tundra? Currently in a 2003 tundra, in colorado struggling at 5000ibs on the ike gauntlet barley maintain 45mph.

[@UltraSS-nj8kd]

Bigger wheels & lift will make it roll down the hill faster #Hemi had the better braking. So basically its looking like the only diesel that might be worth the money is the I6 #Duramax in the *GM twins*

[@grumpyengg5978]

SOLAR SS ...And it would be neat to see a similar comparison video with the 5.3 gas VS that new 3.0 I6. I wouldn’t recommend using a 6.2 gas V8 since folks looking for that motor are after performance and speed. Wouldn’t be right to compare to the baby diesel. Please take note TFL if you get the option.

[@UltraSS-nj8kd]

@@grumpyengg5978 if its the 2020 10-speed 5.3L towing rear 3.42 would be a fair match vs the 3.0L for sure even though 5.3L would be a cheaper build . Id still like to see it matched up to the 6.2L since they are the in the same price bracket. Unloaded highway mpg loop with all 3 new combos 5.3L,3.0L, 6.2L 10speeds in the 2019 #GM twins would be my next vote.

[@rockycadieux4642]

Glad you gave the transmission temp. Could we get that info on more tests?

[@elpelon96]

11:40 that was an up shift not a downshift 👏

[@matthewschoenemann]

I wish there was a way that you guys could get actual MPG numbers. Because the trip computer isn't usually spot on and when you're taking points off for .2 of an MPG every bit counts. And not to mention the fact that every manufacturers computers are different.

[@iFishMD]

Can you confirm the rear in the ecodiesel? I think it is only available with a 3.92 or 3.21

[@jeffgrise4386]

Can't wait to see how the 3.0 Duramax does

[@BrianLampright913]

Jeff Grise I’m not a Chevy fan BUT I’m a huge inline 6 fan and I’m pretty excited to see how that does. Just sold my modified (older) powestroke and went back to a Cummins and OMG the way it pulls my heavy toy hauler trailer is 100x better.

[@NateDogMXtv]

The diesel ran hot. 230 coolant 255 oil temps is too hot. The diesel had better fuel milage but it did less work. (speed/time)

[@mattbrew11]

NateDogMXtv if you think 230 is bad for water temp you don’t have a firm grasp on reality. 245+ is getting bad 265 is actually bad. Regular Dino oil doesn’t begin to break down till 275 and this one calls for diesel

[@NateDogMXtv]

If the temp gauge was on the surface of the cylinder head instead of the center of the water jacket the temp would be in that danger zone. I see failed oil analysis on dd13 and dd15 engines that explain hot spot problems. We have been losing engines ever since dd went to a variable speed water pump

[@grumpyengg5978]

NateDogMXtv ... agreed, I noticed that 230 temp as well and thought it was a little warm. Especially with ambient at only about 60 F.

[@hmc2s]

Both very nice trucks. Thanks for the review.

[@leekeenii1469]

Awesome video! I agree, it would’ve been nice if the weather had cooperated so the tests could’ve been a little more “apples to apples” comparisons.

[@bretmarstellar603]

If you haven't recalibrated the Rebel's computer for the bigger tires it will throw off both the vehicle's mpg calculation and speed indication, hence running less than 8 minutes "at" the speed limit up the hill.

[@yourlifesux]

The mud tires on the rebel negatively effect mpg and speed. Unfair test for the hemi.

[@deltabravo1257]

How do tires affect the speed of the vehicle? Speed is what it is.

[@cameronhoover7561]

You mean All terrain not much difference in them and the stock it comes with all terrain

[@Stuka87]

How much did the Rebel change from stock to modified going up the Ike? I think this is good info for people wanting to put 35's on the truck, which will hurt braking and acceleration.

[@adithyaramachandran7427]

When I worked for a GM project in 2018, there were thoughts of including an eTorque system with the Duramax, but Durability requirements could not be met when the diesel turned on and off in cold weather. That's why it might not be a good idea to do it.

[@Brumasterj]

Man I really wished y’all would had done Rebel comparison! I got the 2019 hemi Rebel and was wanting the eco diesel for the better fuel economy and towing. They just didn’t have the eco diesel when I bought this one!

[@MyDailyPerspective]

But it aint a HEMI! GREAT TRUCKS...CANNOT GO WRONG WITH EITHER ENGINE.

[@janinabecker2650]

Here we obviously have road testers who have no idea how a diesel engine works! A Diesel is designed to run at a constant low rpm, not have its neck rung like a nominally aspirated petrol engine. Why are large ships, trains and HGVs all diesel and sports vehicles all petrol engines?? To compare a diesel engine half the size of a petrol engine is just as pointless. I seriously think you guys should take lessons on efficient driving. Think about it . . .

[@C.I.A_Unclassified]

Is it a turbo diesel?

[@davidbuckner6454]

Would like to see vids on 3.21 vs 3.55 vs 3.92 gas tow ect

[@AgentSmith911]

Ike gauntlet 💖

[@scottvallie904]

Were considering the new 1500 with the diesel but I would like to see our 2500 6.4 Hemi vs the 1500 diesel. If the 1500 can do the work of the 2500 and the comfort be greater then the stiff 2500 then it could be a win win...

[@timmypstyle]

Depends on thebsetup you get but the 5.7 can definitely out do the ecodiesel. I believe the highest tow rating with the 5.7 is about 11,000lbs when properly configured. I had a 14 regular cab shortbed 5.7 with the 6spd auto and pulled a 6000lb trailer from CO to PA with no issues. Was even going about 75-80 for most of it and still got 14mpgs. My truck was rated for about 8500lbs

[@BrightArios]

@TFLTruck would you say that this eco diesel 1500 ram would change you answer to a yes for towing 9000 lbs? This is in relation to the 2019 F150 vs F250 video.

[@Oljeepguy]

Just wondering how much effect the larger/heavier tires had on the Rebel. I have a 2019 Ram 1500 with the Off Road package and 3:92 gears. I leveled it, and put 35X12.50-18 Nitto tires and Method aluminum rims. Instantly dropped 2 MPG, and it feels like a little loss of acceleration and towing power. How about a test comparing stock truck to after lift/level and larger tires; no other modifications like a tuner, etc. Nice video. Love your work.

[@redx-25ps49]

I have a 2019 ram 1500 5.7 put a 3 half inch lift on it , went from 18 tins to 20 and went from 275 tires to 35x12.5 R20 it was slow like you said but I installed a k&n throttle control module and damn it picks up faster then it being stock but you could replace the throttlebody with a bbk 95mm but idk how much big of a difference would it be

[@jamespenner1412]

One thing the ike test really needs is a hand calculated mpg. You guys need to bring a slip tank to the event and then we get real mpg numbers. Cus the lie o meter's can be off a bunch as we have seen in past mpg loops.

[@donschlegel1972]

love you guys . great trucks

[@imnotlostimexploring5537]

How would the EcoDiesel handle a 5th wheel. the specs are under the max at 10,195 GVWR and Hitch wt. at 1,280 and towing in the Sierra Nevada's. It's not the IKE, but still hard on the engine and the brakes. Thank you guys Love your towing tests and other videos.

[@ScottishTerror]

Really disappointed that you did not perform and apples-to-apples comparison. 2 different truck models w/ 2wd vs. 4wd (so 4wd is carrying greater weight and increased resistance vs. 2wd) and different gearing. Claiming that this is any kind of true comparison causes me to distrust/challenge TFL reviews.

[@dragoonTT]

You would have to put a lot of miles on that diesel to pay for the $5000± engine option.

[@jamesmartens6985]

Doesn't seem to stop any of the HD guys.

[@aj06bolt12r]

@@jamesmartens6985 The HD guys actually get diesel engines that out tow the gas options. 1/2 ton not so much

[@yogiyoda]

Actually its only $3,000 more than the Hemi with eTorque. Many people would save over $600 a year in fuel. It would take higher mileage drivers less than 5 years to recoup the cost.

[@jameswkndmechanic174]

Not to mention the increased maintenance costs. More expensive oil change, DEF fluid, particulate filters, etc. And fuel economy is worse for short trips. I'd stick with the gas.

[@yogiyoda]

@@jameswkndmechanic174 - fuel economy is worse for short trips? Isn't the 2wd ecodiesel rated 22mpg in the city?

[@davva360]

Andre's subjective score, yeah I know its subjective, but way high. How can you rate a Tradesman as 4 for tech? 2. or 2.5 at best. Still a good video.

[@ohioguy4326]

Just because it’s a base model tradesman doesn’t mean it’s a work truck for everyone. Some of us buy as it has everything we need and a lot cheaper.

[@613doo]

was the speedo calibrated for the larger tires? if not the 60mph on the dash could actually be higher. making a difference in the time and mpgs.

[@jamespenner1412]

10 bucks says the speedo was not calibrated. My thoughts exactly

[@johnbeeck2540]

Indeed, if the larger tires were not accounted for, the speedo would read slower than the vehicles actual speed, which on this test means the Hemi was working even harder than the diesel as the Hemi was most likely traveling 63 or 64 mph and not the indicated 60...

[@marvinr5054]

I'd like to know if the EcoDiesel was in Regen during this test?

[@stephencooper5040]

Hey for all you truck guys out there, I have an OBS C1500, specifically a ‘94 RWD V6 5spd, what can I do to make it better, and more confidence inspiring while towing and carrying a load in the bed? I’ve heard things like poly or delrin bushings, replacing the rear diff with a posi, rebuilding the leaf springs, putting on heavier duty shocks. Engine and transmission swaps are not in the cards right now, and won’t be affected by anything I do to the rear end anyway.

[@pauldowney8131]

So the hemi was 1 minute faster but got worse mileage. My question is if you just ran the hemi next to the diesel and didnt hammer it the whole way up you could match the time obviously and i bet the mpg would be close.

[@bghvid]

watching this 3 yrs later.... and the news is Ram is discontinuing the eco diesel after the 2023 models

[@skylersmall6322]

The problem with comparing peak power and torque is the RPM numbers. Nobody is driving around at 5400 RPM in a hemi. But 2200 in a diesel is not crazy..

[@victorontiveros3216]

We’re did you guys get the towing capacity for the rebel? Every rebel I see has a max towing of 7100-7400.

[@pnachtwey]

The results don't surprise me, I have a 6.4L 3500 dually Hemi hauling a truck camper. I bought the gas truck because I save on weight and cost. I would need to drive a lot to make the diesel worth it. Also, I am usually at low altitudes. I find the tow-haul mode to be almost useless on a gas engine. Also gas engines literally "suck" air that is at higher attitudes. Diesels rule at higher altitudes because of the turbo charger. I like the 8 speed ZF transmission.