Can a New Lifted Ford F-350 Still Tow a Max Load on the World's Toughest Towing Test? | Ike Gauntlet

[@ColetonGeorge]

I have no ambitions to step away from my 1995 F350 7.3 but watching all the Ike videos are enjoyable. Great information and great entertainment to see what else is out on the road. I loved your old OBS7.3 pull up the hill! Good content.

[@foyboy03]

Your truck is 95% of us watching dream truck.

[@hollenlandscaping]

i used to work for a hotshot in the oil patch in nm. we used f350 diesel drw with triple axle trailers. hauled 30,000 pound man lifts all day. off road, on road. trucks did the work no problem. so with trailer we were over 40. wouldnt do it all the time but these trucks are crazy tough

[@Captain-Awesome]

I bet you have a few stories to tell.

[@thecasualrver]

I recently had the 4 corner 5 link LiquidSpring suspension system installed on my 26,000 lb motorhome, (Ford F53 Gas Chassis), at the LiquidSpring HQ and manufacturing facility in Lafayette IN. By far the best money that I have spent on this coach. No more leaf springs, no more shocks. Going from driving a 26,000 lb box to now driving a large SUV.

[@Captain-Awesome]

I am sure they are amazing, if they were closer to 12-15k it would be a consideration but at 25k?? It’s just hard to justify that kind of cost.

[@vais3]

3.31 with 37s makes for an effective axle ratio about a 3.06. If it were 3.55, it would be closer to that of a 3.31. I’d say that’s a respectable run given the run time and the lift with being well off in gearing.

[@justinstiff5641]

Andre in that little cowboy hat 😂

[@BillLaBrie]

You guys keep hitting it out of the park again and again. This is superior journalism, asking questions, testing, and providing relevant information. When does TFL start doing national and world news?

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[@usmcshepherdE9]

This was exactly what I had been wondering about…going to order one of these EOG trucks…I think the liquid springs gives you a much better suspension setup than a normal truck would.

[@golfgti47]

Man I’d love to see this same test in Phoenix when it’s 110 out. Leaving Phoenix to flagstaff, it’s 6% leaving black canyon city. Less elevation, but an 80 degree temp difference

[@persistentwind]

Came here to say this, either do Ike in the summer or roll down south!

[@jameshowey9958]

Or the pull up out of the river by Havasu, that’s actually where the manufacturers test in the summer a lot.

[@kokocostanza2036]

Yeah, seeing that transmission temp hitting 235 going downhill when it's that cold out could be kind of concerning.

[@golfgti47]

@@jameshowey9958 that’s where they go to do that government J2807 testing! Fun when you see camo vehicles going up and down that hill

[@golfgti47]

@@kokocostanza2036 same, I was like wow approaching that orange real quick 😳😳

[@charlesbilodeau6916]

Andrei is always so happy and vibing nice ❤ love him 😊

[@maxracingteam23]

Would love to see this truck regeared with the same load with 3.73! I bet it would be better! Great maxed out test though!

[@25ellisd]

Ford sadly doesn't offer 3.73 in diesel. They only have the 3.31 and 3.55. It drives me nuts that no manufacturer offers a diesel with a high ratio.

[@maxracingteam23]

@@25ellisd oh yeah in the dually you can get 4:30 but that’s overkill unless you are towing heavy

[@CornFed_3]

@@25ellisd, Ram does 3.73s on their SRW diesels.

[@mattbrew11]

@@CornFed_3that truck has a 6 speed

[@CornFed_3]

@@mattbrew11, so? More gears isn’t always better 🙄

[@hhjones9393]

Always a joy to see you guys together! Thanks for the great info!

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you for watching.

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[@SignatureAlcohol]

2:27 Mr.Truck's watch is quite cool.

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[@jimh.412]

Awesome looking truck. The price? Not so awesome.😮

[@darkerthenblack4334]

Bigger tires lowers your gear ratio as well. Big 37in tires used to need in the 4's in the axles to tow good....that's impressive

[@jameshowey9958]

With the 10 speed the rear axle gear is not as important as most of you think, that motor is gonna run in the rpm it wants and the trans will find the gear, it’s not like the old days with 3 or 4 or even 6 speed transmissions, really the only difference the rear gear is making now is in 1st and 10th for the final drive and they where not in either of those gears but for a few moments during this whole test.

[@shitloveaduck]

Wellllll,,, yeah!! That suspension is sooo impressive. You can run as high as your ego needs or hunker down for better economy and it’s just impressive! At $25,000 it’s a bit expensive but I know of a couple of guys that have near that into their 1 tons for suspension, but their trucks are only tall, period!! No height adjustment, several hundred lbs of parts (I know, I helped them unload everything before the installation,,,. The one that I helped them deliver to the dealership, was installed by the dealership $10,000 roughly there!! 😮😮 he was just over $17,000 and then spent another $6000+ on shocks! He is pushing $24,000 installed! The truck is a F350 so it doesn’t ride particularly nice still and is really tough to get into. I’m 5’8” tall and stare at the middle height of the console from the ground. He has a cable step so if he hits it off-road it just flexes. It’s very heavy cable so is decent to get in, but I still don’t like it. The passenger side has 2 steps so his wife can get in. He has a step stool for other passengers if there’s a group. All unnecessary if you have this Elevation suspension!! The bit of extra $$ is more than worth it. There’s no way he could have towed this trailer!!! He’s too tall and the trailer would need to be lifted 6 or more inches to be level! 😂😂😂. That’s how much he had to lift his 5th wheel camper he tows!! It’s nuts! I like that truck as it is set up just about perfectly! Fun video fellas! As usual, you two get along so well and the antics are the best,,,, 😂😂. Take care & stay safe, Eh! Nice to see ya Mr Truck!!

[@Dusdaddy]

You have gotta have a lot of stupid money to blow on such a depreciating asset as this. So funny how much is spent and then how many bitch about the cost of a stock truck.

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[@campingeast]

That truck would eat that climb with a better diff ratio. Definitely could use a re-gearing. Great video btw, exposes the limitations of the powertrain.

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[@JohnDoe-ud2cc]

I’d pull that all day with my old 12v.

[@deal492]

And I'd pull it all day with a 1994 f350 with a 460 gasser... what's your point. Welcome to 2024 where things have gotten more powerful!! More problems, sure!! But they was just doing a video with a Vendors truck. Just enjoy the dang video.

[@charliedelta988]

Im looking at purchasing a new truck this year. Love your review and testing of it under a load. Alot of great info you're putting out in your videos to ponder before buying something.

[@renflo86]

These videos get better and better

[@TFLtruck]

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[@B-rad303]

You guys rock as always, 120k???? lol elevation off grid can go fly a kite...

[@mattbrew11]

Do you know how much that truck was stock? Lol

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[@johnroquemore2167]

Taller tire I think they should change the differential gear 3.55 or 3.73

[@travis10ist]

Yup that way transmission don’t have to work so hard if have 3.73 3.31 is ridiculous

[@Dusdaddy]

With that ten-speed, does it really matter as much anymore? Trucks used to come with 4.10s and even smaller tires but now 33" is just average and the gears are 3.20-3.30

[@ALMX5DP]

@@Dusdaddy agreed. I am not sure where this notion people have saying the transmission has to work harder comes from. Calculating the ratios out, I bet this 3.31 w/ 10-speed is just as aggressively geared down low than the previous 6-speed paired with a 3.73.

[@foreshee10]

My f450 h.o would of been less than 8 mins. There no replacing 4.30 gear. 3.31 with 37" is like a 3.08 gear. That's not enough.

[@Dusdaddy]

@@foreshee10 Probably. But they tested a Tundra with 4.30 gears and it was over 8 mins. against a Ford turbo that was under 8 mins. So many variables today, it's not always gears anymore.

[@LeesChannel]

I realize that that was a heavy load, but getting that hot in near freezing temperatures doesn't bode well

[@lanehochstedler9690]

Did you forget this is 7 miles at 7% grade full throttle with 37 inch tires and a 3.31 gear ratio rear end?? That is pretty impressive. Oversize tires tow way harder

[@blakew1026]

Honestly just because of the thermostats in the truck they want them to run at a specific temp range. Those 6.7 have two coolant thermostats.

[@jackpixley3696]

Honestly wasn’t really running that hot for being at max load, going up a steep hill at 7% along with 37’s and that lift. Trans wasn’t moving off higher then 220 and the engine wasn’t going higher then that either.

[@LeesChannel]

@@jackpixley3696 It was freezing, imagine that same load in the summer.

[@P-J-W-777]

Man those 3.31 gears might be fine for a grocery getter but they absolutely suck for this application. Those liquid shocks are awesome though.

[@mattbrew11]

Trucks seems to be just fine with them

[@P-J-W-777]

@@mattbrew11 guessing you obviously aren’t hauling heavy loads then especially through the mountains.

[@mattbrew11]

@@P-J-W-777 I have ~ 140 half tons & 30 HDs in my fleet. I’m definitely a complete novice when it comes to hauling and towing.

[@P-J-W-777]

@@mattbrew11 it’s not like I had a resume on your work history or your fleet inventory! Fortunately I’ve ran just about every type of truck on the road as well. I’ll choose at minimum 3.55 gears for HD trucks that carry 25,000 pound loads regularly in the hills and mountains. Less stress on the engine itself and it’ll climb them a lot faster and better than the same truck with 3.31 gears.

[@peterdragon6367]

Most of the people buying something like this aren’t buying it for work. They might pull their 6k pound boat in the summer and want to have the biggest truck in their friend group. We all know the type

[@mileshearn7404]

Please do a side by side with a 6.7 ho vs a standard 6.7. I am really curious how much different it is on the IKE!

[@brianGDA]

Mr. Truck content never fails 👍🏼

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[@hank976]

I love all of these tests. My biggest issue with the big three is reliability! I spent thousands on my 2016 Ford F-150 and got pissed off when the water pump went out at 38,000 miles when it was six years old. Sold it and bought a left over 2021 Tundra in 2022. Zero issues with 24,000 miles. My needs have changed due to a trailer purchase and I need to be able to tow a 14,000 pound trailer. What do I get?

[@tim.prasad03]

Could you guys do a review on a Powerstroke with an S&S Diesel Pump?

[@Darthlichtus]

Ike days are my favorite!

[@juiceman72x]

That speed limit sign was 35mph for vehicles at or over 26k GVWR. That truck is 12k GVWR. They're confusing GCW with GVWR.

[@pierredelecto7069]

If you are towing the weight of your trailer is included. They won't even bother to weigh it. I know their terminology is incorrect but try explaining that to the officer. They don't care.

[@djtesseract3064]

This modded truck is TRULY MADE GOOD by tne addition of the Liquid Springs setup! If you are spending anything over $70,000 USD for a truck, you might as well spend a few more bucks to get the big-tow-rated Liquid Springs setup. Im not too keen on the bumper because i think it is not tough enough looking (i would have gone for full width and full height bush bars plus winches front AND back!), but tbe suspension setup puts some serious help onto maki g your daily driving and towing much safer and more comfortable!

[@holsteincowboy]

3 MPG wow Would cost a fortune to use that in the UK !

[@MrFBI-tt1el]

Yes but look the weight and size of this set (pick up + trailer), it's normal..

[@kevincockburn7805]

Closer to 4mpg in the UK, as they use US gallons that are smaller than a UK imperial gallon.

[@Ocastia]

That's still A LOT of fuel, thats 78.4L/100km for a Diesel, you might as well drive a Bugatti Veyron at that point. But obviously you don't tow 10 tonnes up the mountain every day.

[@mxerb5912]

Thats going up a steep grade for 8 mins. Thats not the over mpg

[@ryangansner2162]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but why does increasing wheel/tire combo weight decrease payload? To me I'd think it wouldn't affect it because the tires are under the suspension, you know what I mean? Like yeah, if you threw those tires in the bed then it would be compressing the springs more and decreasing payload you have left. But I don't see how adding weight to the axles decreases payload.

[@ALMX5DP]

Payload is really just GVWR minus vehicle weight, so if any part of the vehicle weighs more, it'll technically reduce payload.

[@ryangansner2162]

I guess that makes sense on paper. But logically I don't think it should make a difference in real world application. However, I am not an engineer 🤷‍♂️

[@ALMX5DP]

@@ryangansner2162 yeah it's not super intuitive. While the suspension controls the vehicle, it also controls the unsprung parts such as the brakes, wheels and tires. The heavier those items are, requires the suspension to work harder when those things move up and down over bumps or ruts. Kind of like waving your arm without anything in your hand, versus picking up a 10lb weight and trying to wave it just as fast. It takes more effort to bring that weight back under control. Weird example but that was what I first thought of, there's probably some better analogies.

[@ryangansner2162]

@@ALMX5DP haha nah that makes sense. Thanks man.

[@SVTeternal]

Tires are unsprung weight, should have little to no effect on payload.

[@ardennielsen3761]

16:40 full throttle for 8 and a half minuets? even with a new water pump on the old 4.6 triton, after about 2 to 3 minuets that 300Kwatts makes the cab so hot that the windows have to roll down when its -35 outside, then sit with the windows down heat blowing with the radiator fan going for a minuet for it to drop back down to being just only a little bit off the cold side of the thermostat. "duty cycle" two very small holes for air to come into the radiator... flimsy ford 8.8 axles 🦧😵‍💫

[@matthewdavidmunson]

these reviews are the best

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[@videowsatcher]

Amazing particularly, when many cars (e.g. Toyota Camry let go completely going down hill on a much lower incline) are useless at maintaining their speed with cruise control when going through the mountains.

[@Smoothy38]

Man I wish there was a way to attach a screenshot, I'd love to see these guys to a test on the Coquihalla hwy in BC...

[@lucyferina]

People can hate on Ford all they want but numbers don't lie here.

[@AgentSmith911]

Great video guys! But $25k for a suspension mod sounds ridiculous to me, but I guess that's the economy we live in these days

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[@JohnDoe-ud2cc]

I love that truck

[@michaelneuhaus4432]

Sit the cruse 5mph below the speed limit it will let you go 5 mph above with no breaks

[@951media]

Too many think that lifted trucks tow better than a stock truck. RIP sanity. Cue the little man ego. At least the wheels and tires on your mall crawler aren’t low profile and stick way out, like all the guys in Utah.

[@paulandpedro]

The most impressive part of the video is choosing to drive on I-70 through the Eisenhower tunnel lol. Glad you didn’t hit traffic haha

[@TheCaptainmojo1973]

That truck was working very hard it seems. Imagine the oil temp if the ambient temperature was like 80 degrees. Yikes!

[@gregkelly2145]

High output diesel! High output checkbook !!

[@JV8399]

I have a 2017 F250 with 37” tires and a Carli pin top leveling kit. The Speedo is off about 4% at highway speeds. Also throws off the Mpg readings. My truck has 3.55 gear ration. You need a hyper tech speedo calibrator to get accurate speed and mpg readings. Not sure if the truck in the video had the speedo recalibrated for accurate readings.

[@fcodxdart1083]

This is irrelevant to the video, but seeing that roof is so nice. If Chevy/GMC added the panoramic ceiling I'd go out and get a 2500 today.

[@JennandChad19]

Awesome vid! Super cool truck! $120,000? Its not that cool. I'm pretty sure I haven't bought that much gas for my 1985 big block chevy 1 ton in 20 years and it gets 8 mpg empty.

[@deal492]

Broke the intraweb with these 3.31s... 🤦‍♂️... LOL They never once recommended these gears, remember they just drive what they buy, or manufacturers provide, or other vendors let them borrow. Its okay, obviously EOR didnt mind letting them use their truck to prove a point.. and possibly sell another lift 😉

[@glennblum6410]

The taller tires is what hurts the most with 3.31 gear

[@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601]

10 speed. Look at the ratios in all gears.

[@lanceripplinger8352]

Sunday is complete with Andre and Mr. Truck doing a Super Ike Gauntlet!

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[@leonardrice2830]

Going to be interesting. Thank you.😃

[@jimmyfaherty8588]

I would inspect the fluids. Getting hot like that in the winter… what’d about in 90*. All fluids.

[@youngblood23rb]

Appreciate you all's work but I have seen enough of this truck

[@sock979]

We have got to stop letting our perspective slide and say that vehicles are acceptable over $100,000. That is insane

[@Chris-ut6eq]

I prefer Ike Gaunlets with less of an infomercial and more gauntlet.

[@TFLtruck]

Stay tuned for the 2024 Tacoma Ike that’s coming soon.

[@darrylm3627]

😀👍Good Stuff, Great Tips

[@91CavGT5]

It should be against the law to have a truck carrying or towing a load without adjusting the headlights. I’ve lost count at how many times I’ve been blinded by them. Especially the new ones with LED headlights!!

[@nicholassmith7048]

I agree with Mr. Truck; it should be 10 stars per metric for better differentiation.

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[@eltonkingsley5617]

On the face of it this format of video should not be as entertaining as it is. I always look forward to Mr Trick and Andrey on the Ike Gauntlet runs. Nobody else does this better than TFL.

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[@panthermartin7784]

Lmfao, did he say 3.31 diff ratio? Who tf decided that was a good idea, obviously Ford knows this truck was born to run down to the Big Gulp for a speedy reload . Anyone working that drivetrain isnt going with a friggin 3.31 ratio.

[@tomprovenza7857]

Ford does not spec these. There is still an ordering dealer who places the order and it gets shipped to Elevation for the upfit/conversion. Yes, the 3.55 is preferable, but that truck was built in May 23, which was Job 1…the 3.55 equipped axles were a constrained commodity then. Also, the payload on the sticker was based on how it left the factory and does not account for equipment added by Elevation.

[@JohnDiMartino]

A lot of these 6.7s are shipped with 3.31s for some reason,which doesn’t make sense considering how tall the OEM tires are already. This truck would have to slow down more in the summer it was running hot in January .

[@lombasto]

I don’t know if the diff gearing matters as much as it did in the old days with these 10 speeds. I think the manf also might have different transmission gear ratios for different rear diff ratio combos that can end up making it a sort of a wash. I heard RAM did that with the 8 speed. We need to know the tranny gearing as well as the diff.

[@chrisroy8668]

Most people use these setups as grocery getters and tow an 8-10K camper on the weekends. Some tow a dump trailer around. Start using this setup day in day out with 15K+ behind it and keep it until warranty is up and tell me how much your “3.31 fuel saving” helped your wallet when you have a worn out power train. A tall rear end gear will make that trans shift all the time, that makes heat. My 2019 PSD with 4.10 will pull away from my 2023 PSD with 3.55 and temps are lower. Yes the 4.10 truck burns more fuel but it’s not worth the premature wear to stay with a 3.55 truck if you’re actually using the truck to over 50% of its rated capacity all the time.

[@carlpreston1680]

My F350 work truck has 331 gears but it also has small tires from the factory 275 75 17 I pull 20K with it occasionally it does just fine which is probably due to the 10 speed if not careful when I take off I could still break the tires loose

[@Jimlogger066]

They are waiting on the call to attack!!!!

[@jacobmartin1951]

I have a question about the speed limit. The sign you showed says 35 for vehicles over GVWR 26,000. Isn’t that truck vastly under that? Or are you treating the GCVW as that 26,000?

[@MF.Animal.Mother]

Mr Trucks mind is blown rating a F350 SRW well over 120k in his lifetime. 18 wheels were 50k in the 80’s?

[@TheOutdoorDaileys]

I wonder how much that bumper affected cooling

[@phantom0456]

@16:33 I heard Jay-Z’s “Big Pimpin” playing in my head as the camera panned the truck and trailer here and then switched to Andre and Mr. Truck… must’ve been the cowboy hat on Andre’s head.

[@TFLtruck]

Oh yea!

[@andysupple4838]

On a hot summer day that truck would have overheated

[@TFLtruck]

No, because the engine fan cools it down in seconds.

[@honda116969]

I don't know how much stuff we've towed in our life but we've NEVER been to a ⚖️ we just load it with common sense, make sure it drives okay & continue on.. 🆒🎥 guys! Big fan of your work

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[@diamondctrailers]

Awesome video guys! Digging that FMAX 212 😎 Sent you guys an email! 💪

[@wesshepard]

It’s always a good day when Mr. Truck and Andre make a video

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you!

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[@williamthompson2222]

So, to be clear, no upgrade to power plant or transmission, just lifted?! Come down to Texas, park along IH35 ANYWHERE and you'd have your answer. I think you've jumped the shark tank guys.

[@Todd_S]

I'm not a Ford guy, but that is a good-looking truck.

[@DavidBrown-jt7yi]

You have to use cruise control on the GM trucks because they don't actually have an exhaust brake. It's embarrassing. If you were going to put a big trailer behind this truck consistently, it needs to be re-geared to a 3.73 for sure.

[@TFLtruck]

GM trucks have an exhaust brake, just not the Auto exhaust brake feature that controls the speed.

[@DavidBrown-jt7yi]

@TFLtruck GM trucks have what they call an exhaust brake. It doesn't work unless it's in cruise control from what im told. My buddy has a 2021 3500 Denali HD and complains all the time it barely works. When you can't tell if your exhaust brake is on or off, that's an issue. Love the videos.

[@verajavi12]

🎉central California have always known their lifted trucks handle that and more.

[@patmason7276]

Word to the wise order the truck with the proper gear spend less money.

[@Just_some_guy_duh]

@tfltruck - if lifting and increasing the tire size cuts down, why dont you lower the truck and reduce the size of the tire... wouldnt that theoretically work? solidify the suspension and reduce a 33" tire to 29,,,? same rim, so same brakes...thx

[@2birddogsandawolfdog945]

PJ Trailers have an option for a 6" taller riser.

[@travis10ist]

3.31 is wrong gear ratio especially for big tire with lift plus towing trailer

[@IMiss_The90s]

I wouldn't buy a Ford without at least a 3.55. 3.73 preferably. Love the 3.92 in my Ram

[@JelmervanderMeer7]

You missed the trans temp on the way down. It showed 235F @8:02, that’s pretty high

[@IKhanNot]

Good video. Trans temp got a tad high though.

[@squeakin3]

Enjoy that you guys are showing cat scale tickets

[@06colkurtz]

If it came from the factory with those tires and wheels, it IS STOCK.

[@camberridgeoff-roading3822]

I'd love to see a standard output haul vs ,,,,, would be awesome for the more patient and efficient cats 😇

[@jameswelch8358]

Every truck ive put bigger tires on I regeared. Usually more than stock for better acceleration since the vehicle is heavier n taller. If im gonna tow 20k pounds im regearing.

[@JeffEnglert-lb3iz]

If you would load it right, you could add 15 on the trailer and 15 on the truck. And then you're not gonna have any problems.

[@nickthrane4940]

Badass truck! Better gears and dually would make it a monster tow rig.

[@PrincessTS01]

yall gotta get some of the NEW K03 tires

[@nathanurick8320]

Great videos guys, I’m curious after all your test whats your options of the best two vehicle

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[@justinyoungert4926]

I believe ford offers a 48? Gallon tank, but you have to get the long bed

[@bradh7472]

These Fords should come from factory with 37" tires. That is a good looking Ford. I like the GM trucks better though.

[@wqtransports]

Diamond C trailer ❤

[@mikea4074]

Hitch clearance is pretty sketchy there imo

[@TFLtruck]

We never had an issue. We adjusted the gooseneck hitch to be nearly level.

[@sickjohnson]

Andre, what was the efficiency that you got when you took it to Moab?

[@GSKYYT]

So what did they do like 30 years ago when not even a semi had that much power? They didn’t move bobcats around ever?

[@Long-nd8bq]

I still can't get over 6 figures for a pickup truck. This is why I would buy a used XL or XLT model for less than half that.

[@secondamendment8773]

Why do you guys run the video backwards? You show the downhill section before the uphill? It seems backwards.

[@Drakesdoom]

Why am I hearing these days that heavier wheel/tires change max payload? The wheels and tires support themselves, no other components carry that weight. There are considerations with gearing changes and reduced torque and hp to the ground from increased rotating mass. However none of that should matter if you are not trying to race loaded.

[@adamr740]

Love you guys woooooooottttttt😊❤🎉

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[@flyovercounty1427]

What effect could the altitude have on a turbocharged/intercooled engine with electronic fuel/air management?