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[@CritCrab]

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[@bradleygolden7000]

o thank god for a second i thought it would be RAID.....ty for not going that rought lol :)

[@erykrejner2528]

The pdf is NOT free...

[@redsnake188]

@@erykrejner2528 he never said free but you can get the pdf instead of physical

[@jtcookie96]

So when you said that this would be the last chance to pre order did you sn today is the last day?

[@Yroko]

@@jtcookie96 I think so. I just looked at the site, it still has the preorder link for the physical copy

[@pooty9998]

The player, the character, and the campaign and everything just sounds like an absolute dumpster fire

[@rezithegreat]

Glad it wasn't just me that thought this. The premise is ridiculous the character class is bizarre and if the OP can just pokemon infinite warlocks and use them to stat buff that PC just cant exist for very long without getting so strong every other PC is just a supporting cast member.

[@bluefan898]

Ah. I should explain. My character was planning a way to handle Viirin's character had the last part not happened but that was a thing I had talked with him about.

[@Hyperactiveinsanity]

@@rezithegreat seeing their reply to another comment, they wanted to be a normal teifling, it was the DM that started with all the supernatural shit, they were just trying to make the best of a weird situation. (I.e "Oh, I can't have items, equipment, gold or anything? Can I at least change my shadow to look like branches?") To me it seemed more like the DM got into the character creation and decided from the beginning they wanted that character, eventually finding a way to claim it as an NPC (after already using it as an NPC apparently, with the secret fight).

[@Lord_Poyo]

@@Hyperactiveinsanity No no no. You clearly didn't listen at the beginning fully. The OP at first says the DM explained that the way he interpreted the character was the shadow demon, but the very next couple of sentences says it was a "mutual choice" and that the OP "knows I suggested it but he might have been thinking it too". Also, the way the OP described their "ignorant conviction" makes no sense. It explains nothing about why they can't die, nor why they are an absolute idiot in conversation by not listening to explanations. They say they only listen based on logic and the scientifc method, and that they are supposed to be smart and dextrous, but what part of ignoring conversation to the point of looking for a box-spinning-horse-thing is SMART or part od a SCIENTIFIC METHOD? OP didn't even know there own character.

[@Hyperactiveinsanity]

@@Lord_Poyo no, I did listen, but I also read the comment from the OP that stated what I said. (if you look through the comments on this video you may be able to find it yourself) I'm not saying they aren't to blame, nor am I saying it was good character creation, nothing I said implies I agree with the character. But what you've also just said (they didn't know their own character) may show some inclination to them not originally wanting to play such a creature. Everybody does the "haha wouldn't it be cool if..." scenario when creating something new, most DMs wouldn't of been so enthusiastic and agreeable for such an idea, let alone implement it and give it ridiculous abilities (the large stat increase that OP had to nerf themselves). Don't forget as well, this is a homebrew world so it's possible that things like "ignorant conviction" and it's alternatives were from the DM. Unfortunately it is poorly written so we can't be sure. (please note the line "this is where I learnt I can't die", the player did not create this) Plus, my point was the DM was into the character and wanted it for themselves. You seemed to of missed the main point.

[@strawman3859]

i had trouble getting to the bad dm part because this player sounds like a pain in the ass

[@GoneFishingAmalgam]

This entire game sounds like one pain in the ass after another tbh

[@Tytoalba777]

I'll be honest, for the first 11 and half minutes, I thought OP was that guy.

[@review_rat]

@@Tytoalba777 he was. Sounded worse than the DM.

[@ViirinSoftworks]

@@Tytoalba777 That's what I initially thought too, but I waited until the end to make any judgement calls. I'm glad you did too.

[@bluefan898]

Viirin is a good bean. Most of what his character was was the only way he could get an interesting character. The DM forced people into bad Supernatural fanfic.

[@kazooraptor6174]

I'm gonna be honest, I can barely figure out what bad DM actually did because OP's writing is so incoherent, off topic and conflated that it's like wading through thick mud trying to get to actual point of what they're saying. What I mostly gathered from it is that OP is a pretentious ThatGuy edge lord who reminds me why I'm so cautious in allowing 3rd party stuff into my games.

[@ProbsNotABot]

What? I'm confused. OP didn't put in any 3rd party stuff, it was a class specifically made by the DM. The DM did PvP (using the OP's character) without OP's awareness, would use OP's warlocks to sexually abuse another player, would kill off players if they missed 2 sessions, and made it so OP had to do whatever the DM wanted or his character would be killed, not even allowing him to roll for anything.

[@christianreed9426]

How is he an edge lord. The dm forced his character to die/become an npc

[@NicholasJScott]

​@@christianreed9426 his character description sounds EXTREMELY broken, Undamagable shadow thing monster. basically only damageable by holy shit and magic, BASICALLY extremely broken! doesn't help his post was all over

[@echiko4932]

@@NicholasJScott its a glass character that can be killed by holy and unholy elements in a religious magic war where those elements are primarily used... The warlock possession thing is powerful tho, shouldnt be able to use physical attacks too.

[@Galomortalbr]

@@NicholasJScott he was nearly killed by one dude with an shotgun with salt

[@Brandon-er3yb]

"Weaknesses make for better characters" "I put the lowest stat in constitution because my character is immune to almost everything" 2 sentences, one huge ass contradiction

[@MrCoolio1]

Especially with the ending, dude quite after being weakened

[@beautifulnova6088]

@@MrCoolio1 Being an NPC isn't quite being weakened, it's the DM taking over your character.

[@SkullDixon]

this is probably the most incoherent thing you've shared.

[@jamesvereker4638]

Ikr, I thought it was just me! I was so confused the whole way through

[@Rederister]

Seems like the writer assumed the rules they used were pretty normal and should be understood when they were actually homebrew (they said they're new to 5e)

[@mahe4]

yeah... was that 5e or AD&D2e? i am totally confused... but from what i got, he was using only homebrew rules for his very very special character. the rules he used were all over the place und not a little bit of balance was there... at least thats what it sounded to me...

[@epsilon-eleven]

@@mahe4 Yea, it's obvious that no actual D&D rulebook were used, and the whole thing sounds like a Mary Sue-ish fanfic.

[@Polyoctopus1]

Olay good I thought I was the only one that couldn't follow it

[@CelestialAnamoly]

OP doesn't want to learn anything about Zoroastrianism culture but acts like he knows more about it than most? ...sigh is this going to be an unreliable narrator?

[@donb7519]

be careful if you call him out he and his friend will bug you

[@1redrider100]

Doing some googling to figure out some Persian names for Arrogance, Pride, etc. wouldn’t be that hard. Farsi is still very similar to the Old Persian languages of yore. Some simple Google Translate or “Iranian Male Names” would have gotten you some cool, fitting name ideas.

[@NicholasJScott]

17:39 all those "Illnesses" makes me spam X to doubt as "can't eat without passing out" basically he never eats then? Or what does he have some come over to his place and violently shove food down his mouth once he passes out from taking a too big of a bite from french fry?

[@NicholasJScott]

@Brazilian Goddess true! Im imagining an anime scene where a girl gasps after been hit dramatically but with this dude and a french fry instead of been hit, like takes a bite a gaga before dramatically fainting over and his family happened to pry his jaw open and shoving handfuls of food into his maw and forces him to eat it

[@NeiasaurusCreations]

@Dexter Morgan Yeah I grinded my teeth a bit at that.

[@MannyBrum]

Starts off saying he's playing a demon which is mechanically just a tiefling and then explains how his demon is even more powerful than most full demons in D&D.

[@myname9130]

OP explains how his death would cause a massive change in reality itself across the whole world, even literal gods don't have that kind of power in DnD

[@paulrudd1483]

6:32 OP: Weaknesses make for better characters I always say OP in *literally* the next line: I made my weakest stat Constitution since I'm immune to all damage anyway *Bruh.*

[@mattsmith457]

OP admits to his character being dogshit

[@kamildebosz1336]

brrrruuhhh well said

[@hydrofalls8154]

I got to admit I don't see the problem. That problem solving

[@solouno2280]

Typical idiot atheist...

[@paulrudd1483]

@@solouno2280 Bro what are you talking about

[@confusedman8941]

Our school’s DND club was voting on a president, and the guy who lost posted porn all over our Discord server, and reported the porn filled chat to our principal. Needless to say the club was shut down for a couple months, and the guy was banned.

[@thegrapetree652]

Thats some shitty behavior.

[@pletter64]

And now you know why he lost.

[@briangronberg6507]

Classy.

[@minepose98]

Something tells me it wasn't a close election

[@july7498]

Maybe some people deserve to get bullied

[@Tmanowns]

"Some of my players have been in my online games for 17 years." Press 'X' to doubt

[@owenbunten6536]

Yep

[@solouno2280]

Oh yes, like that one ex friend of mine that told me he had a 200 GB Maxtor HD from 1995 that still works.

[@floydwurst9948]

Lol. Sounds to me like OP was just an anoying af murder hobo who likes to play the victim. I would bet that the DM would tell a very different story.

[@donb7519]

remember that paladin story where the group revealed the truth

[@mrfhd6227]

@@donb7519 ?

[@donb7519]

@@mrfhd6227 there was some story where a player played victim in a post and then someone else from thr group called him out

[@PaladinGear15]

@@donb7519 I remember that, I looked further into it and he really was being a total jackhole >_>

[@derpaderpy4931]

I'm late to this, but I think this story is much different to the exposed Paladin story; sure, OP sounds like he had murderhobo tendencies, but we have to bear in mind the nature of the campaign and the kind of character that the DM specifically okayed; If OP were genuinely the problem player in this scenario, then half the party wouldn't have left the campaign shortly after, and OP likely wouldn't have even been invited to a new campaign the way he did. I can get the cynicism, and sure, I'm likely being overly optimistic, but we can't rule out that OP- who openly claimed to be riddled with all these disabilities, physical, mental and neurological- may very well have just written his story poorly.

[@dejaquejarmeunrato686]

Honestly, this player sounds... A little annoying. The DM though is an absolute Craig. Also, wtf is with that weir uber class demon god untouchable weird shadow edgelord thingy? Also... The part when he mentions Africa... Sounds... Odd

[@bluefan898]

Real world WW2.

[@PersephoneDarling28]

Yeah that mentioning of primitive people was just bizarre

[@AstolfoGayming]

I mean, the demon thing was made by the DM. DM clearly wanted demons to be OP edgelord murderhobos, and player just went along with it.

[@WladcaPodziemia]

@@AstolfoGayming if you are handed character it is up to you how you play it. It reeks of excuse "ThAt'S wHaT mY cHaRaCtEr WoUlD dO", just worded differently. Player makes the character and if he/she makes complet murder-hobo out of it and overloads it with edge - it is on that player.

[@csmead209]

Craig knew he had to light a match eventually and toss it in the dumpster.

[@taskendeer]

I love that segway... 'Let's get to the name'' ''I don't remember what it was.''

[@thejoeker8439]

Let’s get to my reply I don’t remember what I was going to say

[@araidenfreudianharpy]

I gotta say, as someone who enjoys these videos... This is one that probably shouldn't have been made. The way it's told is a huge mess and ends up being more confusing than interesting. It felt like a slog to get through. I know crab isn't responsible for the story or how it's written but I don't think this one should have been chosen 😩

[@SaltyRogue226]

Or he could have made an effort of breaking it down to its core.

[@Creshex8]

Now you know what trying to watch Rachel Maddow is like. If you don’t believe me, tune in for 20 minutes of her show and you’ll immediately see the connection.

[@snoox27]

@@Creshex8 hahaha oof

[@jackblades90]

wrong, it was perfec

[@BiggestGal]

I think the appeal comes from the fact that this was a That Guy in Crab's own Discord server but yeah I agree, the fact that Crab didn't really try to stop and talk about what was happening did not help with the cohesion of the story.

[@tatters8236]

Note: I commented on OP's post before it was deleted, they didn't seem to understand that leaving out the crucial context and then ranting for 11 paragraphs (I counted) about how cool and powerful their character was and all the terrible things they did in character to NPCs and PCs alike is NOT a good way to make your point.

[@sleepwalks8810]

This is such a mess of a story from the way that OP writes to his clusterfuck of a character I feel like this was all a fever dream or a wild exageration because I refuse to believe that there are people like this. Both the DM and OP are people that I hope to never have anywhere near my games

[@donb7519]

critcrab doesnt question if the stories he reads are real and that gets annoying in cases like this or bigot gm or the epic stories

[@ViirinSoftworks]

Believe what pleases you.

[@TheBoondockGamer73]

Unfortunately I can tell you that I know this DM, and this story is more than likely true

[@bluefan898]

Viirin is a great player to have at a table that enjoys creativity. I have DMed for him.

[@floydwurst9948]

So true! I had to stop listening because it is such a mess.

[@PaladinGear15]

Both of these people seem as bad as eachother actually. "first I want a homebrew race, homebrew items, homebrew abilities, all made by me, all without care for balance, also I want to do demon-god level things like making warlocks, and taking people's souls to permanently buff my character and gain all of their abilities for myself". It sucks they've got a bunch of health problems (dunno why they listed Asexuality as a disability) but that doesn't excuse them from everything.

[@MabaseDrifter]

Presumably these were part of the homebrew setting. That was the impression I got, that the DM took the ideas and homebrewed them into a thing for the setting he created.

[@ViirinSoftworks]

@@MabaseDrifter Yeah, I wanted to just be a normal tiefling. The DM decided that any supernatural being could warlock (changeling, demon, angel, anything else). My character was incorporeal, so they could not have money, items, equipment, or anything else. So I asked if I could have things that changed how my shadow looked under very specific (and they never came up except maybe once) circumstances. The DM wanted every soul to increase one of my character stats a full point. I wanted to play a long game, so instead of +1 stat per level of each warlock, it would be +.1 so ten times the work has to be used to get the same benefit. A warlock has like 2 cantrips and one 1st level spell. But if the warlock is level one when they die, my character got one of their cantrips or their 1st level spell. Only one level worth of abilities. When I finished off that druid ghost necromancer, I asked if I could have them become part of my character's shadow, appearing like a top hat. But instead they were absorbed and all their spells added to my sheet.

[@bluefan898]

Viirin was fine. The DM was bad. I was there. I stayed for too long and gave so many chances.

[@nicholasmorgan7609]

@@ViirinSoftworks Aside from being railroaded into having your PC become an NPC or die, this feels like you invited consequences upon yourself. I mean, it shouldn't have been some guy forcing you into a warlock contract with another demon, but something tailored to challenge your demon in response for being kind of a murder hobo and having a character that sounds like it was built to reward murder-hobo-ing.

[@corpselight7989]

They ragequit too lol

[@pg4950]

This OP- I was born with glass bones and paper skin, every morning I break my legs and every night I lie awake in agony until my heart attacks put me to sleep

[@mariofan1ish]

Mmm.... close, but not edgy enough.

[@TindraSan]

As ridiculous as it might sound when listed down the way OP did, there are ppl in he world who has to deal with quadruple-or-more-whammy of conditions and being part of marginalized groups. My best friend similarly has a ridiculous amount of medical issues, on top of mental ones like PTSD caused by both abuse and traumatic hospital trips (and one near-death experience), and very likely undiagnosed autism, and still has to deal with her emotionally (and occasionally physically) abusive family treating her like a dormat at best and burden at worst. OP basically listed down things about them that has made people think they have a right to control OP. Control/power complexes are common among ppl with disabilities and/or who's suffered from trauma. They're very much an edge-lord with their character, among other questionable things, but please don't belittle their disabilities. You think they sound obnoxious? Imagine actually living with all that shit.

[@RealRedRabbit]

@@TindraSan I have a lot of medical and mental issues, personally. The way OP acted and spoke, it sounds more like their disabilities are self diagnosed rather than properly diagnosed. Also, PG was quoting SpongeBob with the "glass bones and paper skin" thing.

[@cockroachteeth]

@@RealRedRabbit I feel like assuming someones disorders are self diagnosed with no proof just because they're a bit of a prick is a bit cruel. People can be prick and also disabled.

[@RealRedRabbit]

@@cockroachteeth you know, you're absolutely right. I feel like I was in a bad place when I wrote that, and I would like to apologize. It's never right to claim someone is faking anything. Honestly, it costs nothing to give someone the benefit of the doubt, and I'm sorry.

[@AstralMarmot]

Jesus that was almost impossible to follow.

[@DXYS95]

I'm not even sure what happened. And I think OP was a little bit entitled: although DM was a bit railroadish at the end, OP needs to remember his character technically died, so he shouldn't have expected to keep playing it

[@erinclark5681]

Yeah, I’m very confused and about to listen a second time. The rage quit at the end kinda felt like it came out of nowhere. Granted, I would have stopped playing as well if my DM has just decided to turn me into an NPC and be done with it, but the ending read like something horrible had been building over time, only... it hadn’t been? It was one really bad thing? I’m not sure.

[@briangronberg6507]

But then his character couldn’t die or something? And then it was immune to physical damage but salt affects it? And is it a shadow that can look human or literally a shadow that just moves on surfaces?

[@donb7519]

@@briangronberg6507 salt was probably holy damage since thats a common thing in religions as for everything else i have no idea i doubt this thing is true at all

[@briangronberg6507]

Don B, oh I didn’t know that! Thanks

[@erinclark5681]

“Colt” is not the male term for “pony.” It’s the term for a young uncastrated male horse/pony. (Like 1-5 years old or so.) A pony is not a young horse, it’s a small breed like a miniature. Somehow my brain latched onto that more than anything else, I have no idea why. lol!!

[@notoriousectotherm]

It's a detail that most people **should** know.

[@Zillzbillz]

@@notoriousectotherm why *should* people know that. I didn’t know that cause I don’t work with horses and don’t need to.

[@coolcatkim22]

@@Zillzbillz It's useful to know if someone tells you about the pony they bought, or you watch a video talking about horses, or if you're playing an rpg with horses in it. Basic knowledge between animals can come in handy in all sorts of ways even if you never see that particular animal in real life. Like, you should know that a Pomeranian isn't what you call a baby dog, because although you may never own a dog it's going to make communication difficult if you don't know that.

[@justaperson4656]

Also remember that gendered terms for horses and ponies are the same! The only time they change is if a male is sterilised (gelding v stallion)

[@shadowdagon7358]

The colt also sounds like a reference to a Netflix show called supernatural where in they have a colt with a limited amount of bullets that are meant to be able to kill anything

[@lexflynn1994]

The dm has a dumb home brew nonsense setting but the OP sounds like the most annoying player to have at your table

[@WladcaPodziemia]

seems like it is general opinion around ,but also OP seems to be reading comments with his friends and attempts to argue back, that DM is to blame.

[@bluefan898]

Welp. For what it's worth I have been contacting all the players from that game and asking them to come forward. More stories of the game will soon be in the subreddit soon.

[@ElConradoX]

@@bluefan898 Did you contact the GM, too? Seems only fair since it's his reputation at stake here.

[@Jermbot15]

On the one hand I agree with you. On the other hand, it seems like the player was given a character whose only path to character advancement was to be annoying, and that's on the DM. On my weird third mutant hand, the player did ask that his advancement path be made to accommodate much more frequent campaign disruption, rather than take the DM giving him a full boost for every dead Warlock as an opportunity to minimize his annoyance.

[@lugenkresse5825]

@Alexn Andum Just let it go, that story was hard enough to sit through as it is. I think all parties involved (including the audience) have suffered enough.

[@ThatPazuzu]

A serious note for people submitting stories: we don't need every minute detail. Fifteen minutes of this could have been compressed into "We played a game with some custom rules so I was a shadow-demon who stole souls" and nothing of value would be lost.

[@ComplexEvil]

Seriously, 11 minutes in, and I'm trying to find the horror story.

[@jimbobjones9330]

THANK YOU!!! This is the first time I've quit one of these out of boredom. I literally can't even finish.

[@NestanSvensk]

Agreed, and I would add that Critcrab could/should probably do a little editing to these stories in order to make them shorter and more coherent.

[@Zethariel]

@@NestanSvensk On that note, CritCrab should learn to read proper, as he takes liberties with some words and I end up having to take a double take on the screen to make sure if it was what OP wrote or what Crit read

[@rasmachris94]

@@ComplexEvil TL;DR The DM tried to railroad the OP into playing out an anime inspired setting [WW 2 with magic], claiming otherwise. DM also kills them off when OP wouldnt do what the DM wanted to progress the story, not considering any alternative. OP acts willfully ignorant with his RP and makes a broken character using the home brew that the DM enforced. OP intentionally misconstrues information that the DM is clearly directing him towards using the demons ignorance as an excuse. OP intentionally ignores another player having a bad time and doesnt help them because of their warped sense of heroism [most likely justifying it after the fact].

[@Silva-ek9hd]

Okay, I was all for the story up until OP excused not helping someone experiencing sexual assault, not because his character wouldn't but because it is heroic not to help them... I'm sorry, it's one to let someone sort out there personal issues on their own, or telling a kid to figure out a school work problem for themselves. But to suggest that the best course of action in a situation involving sexual misconduct is to... let them figure it out? Yeah no.

[@briangronberg6507]

I can’t remember. Was OP talking about himself as a player or his character?

[@piestudios993]

@@briangronberg6507 Charecter

[@g_oduofthenorth9618]

I agree with that if we're talking actual sexual assault, but I thought he was just talking about the dm sexually harassing the player through putting sexual assault in the campaign. Don't get me wrong, i don't totally agree with that sentiment in that scenario either, but to an extent I understand not wanting to be a guy, or anyone, who feels the need to insert themself into an interpersonal conflict where their help hasn't been asked for, because then you run the risk of treating the people your trying to protect like they're helpless or weak. Then again, in this situation, saying "hey, I feel uncomfortable with what's going on," wouldn't be the worst thing to do.

[@SelvenXXUP]

I think he meant he kept himself from white knighting and let the player tell the DM to calm the fuck down. Not treating her as if she was to inmature to deal with someone making her uncomfortable, but still keeping and eye out in case she didn't feel confident enough to say that it was not ok and needed to see she was not the only one who thought it wasn't normal behaviour. The guy did a lot of other stuff that at the very least flag him as a problem player. The story probably isn't even real. But not treating the female player as if she was made out of glass and was unable to speak for herself without even knowing her is not something I'd say is reprimandable. It's not a life or death situation. It doesn't require instant action.

[@Grigeral]

Personally, I don't see the need to put scenes like that in the game in the first place, but IF it's there, chances are it is always there meaning people haven't just been leaving over that (at least not the ones still remaining...) And considering he was literally playing a demon, I'm not sure why his character should be expected to do anything about that. But that is, of course, purely from a character perspective, which I entirely saw that from

[@GR1MG0R]

The details shared of this game are unbelievably pretentious and boring

[@Zero33]

Couldn't agree more, all I think listening to this is its whole game sounds awful and not fun in any way. An incorporeal shadow that cant die, what kinda character even is that?

[@Unk3mptLup1ne]

@@Zero33 a bad one

[@sciverzero8197]

@@Zero33 a demon. From Supernatural. The TV series.

[@billychop8164]

I liked it

[@bluefan898]

Because the DM wanted to force bad fanfic.

[@ccshade7294]

that quote about about zoroastrianism is eyebrow raising. it reeks of edginess

[@vanguard-pv5mc]

Agreed. Zoroastrianism likely influenced the development of Abrahamic faiths. That is not in any way shape or form the same thing as plagiarism.

[@Tytoalba777]

It sounds like the player has a bone to pick with Abrahamic faiths (let's be honest, most likely Christianity)

[@donb7519]

this whole story reeks of edginess and fake

[@MrCrunchytime]

The entire character was an enormous steaming pile of edginess. Fully demonic, hides in shadows, custom items and Chaotic Evil. Only edgelords create Chaotic Evil characters, usually so they can basically kill indiscriminately and be a complete douchebag to people.

[@ViirinSoftworks]

@@MrCrunchytime Careful with the generalities.

[@WladcaPodziemia]

OP : "i have players in my group for years" also OP : "I am (...) with no friendsd!"

[@metademetra]

This sounds less like the DM being an asshole, and more like a That Guy taking advantage of an inexperienced DM and ragequitting when the DM came to his senses.

[@havelthejock3761]

Man, I'm so glad op included the 7 billion health conditions he had, otherwise I wouldn't know wether or not to feel sorry for him

[@skittykay]

encountering a tribe of """primitive humans""" while traveling in Africa who instantly try to sacrifice their children the moment they witness magic is a BIG ol YIKES from me, dawg.

[@yellowpig1026]

wow i didn't even realize the implications there. that is SO bad

[@dejaquejarmeunrato686]

YES! I noticed that too! Like wtf?

[@ViirinSoftworks]

I just repeated what was described. Like... very few Africans have grass skirts, no shirt, and stick huts.

[@AmaryInkawult]

You do realize there ARE tribes that ARE that disconnected from modernity and are considered primitive by modern standards right? They do exist in Africa. And they aren't even just in Africa. There are Cargo Cults on isolated Islands that worship cargo planes because they brought supplies during World War 2. Seriously, look up Cargo Cults on KZbin. These people look at modernity from a mystical point of view because they don't understand how it works. They just mimicked the actions and hoped planes would bring them supplies. They even crafted air control equipment from sticks and wood and performed dances that resembled Air Traffickers flagging planes that their ancestors watches from afar. The fact they had ACTUAL magic and they acted like this isn't surprising when, in a cultural context, there are tribes that DO sacrificial rituals. However, even then it's usually the sick, weak, and already dying who are offed in these particular tribes due to their own set of standards. Oh... And to this day, children in Africa are still Sacrificed in Uganda due to Witchdoctors. Nothing to do with tribals but it is relevant due to cultures. Ritualistic Sacrifices are still well and alive in Africa. Oh this doesn't excuse the horrendous story telling. I'm just calling out anyone who believes tribals wouldn't sacrifice their children when they see ACTUAL magic before their very eyes when some tribes believe planes are magic sky birds that deliver mana from on high and the only way to bring them back is to mimic the actions of the outlander tribes who brought these mystical sky beasts with them. It's not a "Big Yikes", you're both acting like ignorant first worlders reacting to an edgy imagining of the real world. An actual tribe would have some speculation before turning to their elders for advice since they usually have a say in the matter. But if they start bowing down in unison, they bow usually out of fear. They aren't collective idiots, just ignorant. They'll usually turn to mimicry before turning to blood sacrifice since that is normally a last resort. But if a patron outright speaks up in their language what to do for power, they may be gullible save for the elders and this could lead to civil discourse depending on the tribal inter politics. I'm not an expert, but every group of people does have their kinks. They may have detractors and some may not. It really depends from tribe to tribe. They aren't one collective unit. They're all unique in their own way. So it's hard to generalize EVERY tribe's culture and politics. However I do suggest the Cargo Cultists documentary, it really is interesting and gives you an idea on how these tribes work when outside influences intrude on their lives.

[@AmaryInkawult]

As for the grass skirts. I agree. These cultures are WAY more colorful than that. By the gods they are more vivid than just grass and stick huts!!!

[@merryinserendipity7352]

"I wasn't listening because that's what my character would do. I'm a dick that has a special character and don't cooperate well with other players because that's how I roleplay." - OP

[@mrmcduck4902]

I feel like everyone in this story was kinda obnoxious in all honesty.

[@skittykay]

OP blacks out every time they eat!? Wuh!? So much of this story is bizarro I don't know what I'm supposed to take seriously

[@dejaquejarmeunrato686]

Just don't. The whole story is weird and weirdly written

[@ViirinSoftworks]

It's called hypoglycemia.

[@bluefan898]

Want to know the weird thing? Here goes. Every word of this story is true.

[@nicholasmorgan7609]

It sounds made up

[@ViirinSoftworks]

@@bluefan898 And thank you for calling me over discord every day and reminding me to take my blood pressure medication. I'm sorry for not broadcasting when I eat, since I know my blackouts worry you.

[@MissMCwuffles]

You know, I don’t think The DM’s request that the character has an ancient Persian/Farsi name is that ridiculous. He probably wasn’t asking for OP to learn a dead language, just to pick out a name from that era. It’s not that ridiculous. :/ Also, maybe it’s just my love for anthropology and history, but OP’s comment that Abrahamic religions “plagiarized” zorostorianism seems really ignorant as to how religions form and develop.

[@SodaPopBarbecue]

History is written by the victors. And Zoroastrianism lost, so it can't rebutt. The Roman Catholic Church also ripped off, copied, co-opted or what ever means stole and disguised as their own beliefs (despite it inherently being a Jewish heritage anti-fascist rebel cult based on Bacchus worship initially) all cultures it could subjugate and appropriate from to maintain that subjugation in the name of Rome and, later, the Vatican.

[@Sip_Dhit]

@@SodaPopBarbecue that's also kind of a narrow mindset only looking at information and cultures as set in stone, and that others are just stealing from each other, that's not really how that works tho

[@justin2308]

At best, the Hebrews would’ve taken from Ancient Egyptian Religion (such as resurrection and afterlife) and Atenism, a monotheistic Egyptian religion. Israel wasn’t really even in contact with Persia until around the Exile, and even then it was mainly after Persia took over the Babylonian Empire. Either way, Yahwism- the worship of the God of Israel Yahweh- was around long before Zoroastrianism. If anything, Zoroastrianism was reverse-influenced. Besides, in the Bible it is shown that the Israelites were VERY susceptible to other religions they saw before the Exile. They would’ve either gone for all of Zoroastrianism or not at all, and in the Bible they clearly go back to rebuild their own temple and practice their own religion and faith.

[@MattJDave]

@@justin2308 Sumerian, Assyrian and Canaanite faiths also strongly resemble Yahwehism, specifically whenever the Old Testament god is specifically a war god associated with a single tribe; every single semitic tribe in the region had one of their own, and the Hebrews were simply the ones whose records reached the Romans.

[@hyperion3145]

@@MattJDave That's because Yahwism originally started out as a mixture of the Canaanite and Assyrian religions. The earlier parts of the Bible even suggests that multiple gods may exist before slowly accepting that Yahweh is the only one worthy of worship and them the only one to exist at all. Some lines suggested that Baal Hammon and Asherah were initially worshipped in the Jerusalem Temple. It should also be noted that Carthage's religion was also recorded and upheld by Rome and the Romans had some interesting dealings with Zoroastrianism. Religion is a pretty interesting topic when nobody is screeching "plagiarism" or "you are all idiots who believe in a sky daddy".

[@ededdi]

First time I've listened to one of these stories and just gone "....that just sounds like such a mess and is so over-wraught it sounds like a lie" I mean most of the time I can see things like the other stories happening, or have seen them happen. This is the first time I've seen a story that just is so.....fraught with oddites and moment that go 'are you sure?'

[@bluefan898]

We are very sure. It happened and this was about as clear as the way the DM ran the game.

[@ededdi]

@@bluefan898 So, from the story, Unclear as all hell. Mind you, attempting to defend yourself in the youtube comments isn't helping the credibility. It feels a bit like the whole "Doth protest too much."

[@herrdoctoroetker]

It's supposedly 5e but the only thing that was relevant to DnD at all was the word warlock. It sounds more like freeform RP tbh

[@donb7519]

@@ededdi the problem is even if its fake they'll just keep making burners or getting their friends to lie too and crit wont care because he gets vids out of it

[@annabella1650]

This entire thing sounds like good ideas gone bad, really bad. The DM should’ve been DMing and had a clear and concise idea of what the homebrew would’ve been, and not allowed so many player made items. The player was an idiot, and probably should’ve backed away from the whole thing, or least not gone for OP stuff from the start.

[@Closer2Zero]

This was such a hot mess like holy fk. The story was a mess, both OP and DM sounds nuts and CritCrab you just read it verbatim without any cutting to make it make more sense. Reminds me of the Craig Saga story about all the poetry. I couldnt even sit thru that one

[@matthewa.whiting719]

Oh thank goodness, I'm not the only one who was totally lost XD

[@Faelocke]

Pretty sure it was the Ross saga that had the poetry.

[@ccshade7294]

His 2nd character at least sounds a whole lot more tolerable than his demon mess

[@rossjohnstone4689]

Agreed

[@deserthare1]

Yeah, the demon seems overcomplex

[@Nuggette]

I mean the DM made that demon class thing so they could only blame themselves

[@araidenfreudianharpy]

There was a 2nd character? Man I must've zoned out harder than I initially thought

[@andyenglish4303]

@@araidenfreudianharpy It's a poorly written story all around.

[@handsomeaaron6175]

I really didn't like this story. It came off as incredibly self indulgent, not unlike the recent Ross stories. By the end I found myself more irritated with OP than the subject of the story. Basically the only bad thing this guy did came at the very end of the story. Other than that it was just the OP gushing over how cool his character was. A character that was only "so cool" because the GM seemed to have bended to every demand of the OP. This whole video would have been less than 5 minutes long if the OP had just kept it to relevant details. Purely speculation here, but I suspect the only reason the GM even did what he did at the end is because he realized OP's character had gotten way out of hand and decided he needed to get rid of him. Obviously if that was the case just talking to the player about it would have been the better option but he made a bad call and I can empathize with the necessity. He had accidentally allowed a player to create an over powered character that was immune to all physical damage, could create spell wielding minions, and sounds like a bit of a disruptive dick.

[@NarwhalEntertainment]

The entire campaign sounds... blegh. How do you take a concept like "WWII with wizards" and make it this... boring?

[@TheFirefist13]

Not to mention OP was starting to show signs of main character syndrome

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@NarwhalEntertainment Easy: Let everyone make their own special snowflake OCs who don't fit the setting.

[@jordancarlson9071]

I feel like OP is that guy

[@greatulcer2117]

You know, a story from that guy's perspective is interesting. Inside the mind of That Guy

[@cajunpeople]

Pretty obvious this was written by a redditor and a that guy when he brought up uhh zoroastrianism. Whenever someone makes a claim that bold without saying absolutely nothing to back it up usually implies their personality is fucking cringe so they try their best to seem knowledgable in a way that just looks like they have aspergers

[@merryinserendipity7352]

@@cajunpeople did you listen to his slew of disability claim near the end?

[@lord_wolfthorn]

FACTS!!!! It definitely sounded like he is THAT guy.

[@grayrook2406]

Same

[@UnstoppableFloridaMan]

That character creation stuff was too much to comprehend lol. Zoroastrianism with shadow’s and all these other additions. I should have taken more theology courses my head hurts.

[@Jamerific]

Custom race mechanics always make me cringe when done wrong. And boy was I cringing hard for this story.

[@virasksmile.always2706]

They just completely butchered mazdayasna

[@kaimagnus5760]

As far as Zoroastianism goes the Demons are supppse to be agents of pure chaos who's soul purpose is to cause instability. But interestingly enough arent nessicarily Evil. Stangly many of the Zoroastrian Demons also seem to have a direct paralel to a Hindu diety as well implying possible bad blood between the two at some point in history.

[@donb7519]

@Skylynxify Reborn im glad im not the only one who thought that im kinda worried the more popular crit gets the more fake stories we get i've already noticed more stories that just sound fishy and dont work like 5e does

[@Tytoalba777]

@@kaimagnus5760 Northern Indians and Iranians are both Indo-Aryan people. Hinduism is, more-or-less, a modern version of the original faith, with _a lot_ of additional stuff thrown in. Zoroastrianism came later, and it might be possible that Zoroaster (the guy started the faith) used traditional Indo-Aryan faith as something bad to turn away from, much like how Judaism used names of gods of neighboring faiths (such as Ba'al or Beelzebub) are synonyms for the Devil or names for various demons.

[@shashankwarudkar5091]

So... in the intro Critcrab says a That Guy infiltrated his Discord. But I really hope he knows which character in this story was actually That Guy, and which was probably just a new GM learning how to run the game. I'm not saying the GM is blameless, but OPs character was enough to tell me he was an asshole who wanted to play the edgiest Mary-Sue character ever. Some people who watch these videos clearly don't learn any lessons from the, except maybe "CritCrab will cover any story about his group, without questioning if OP is in the right"

[@donb7519]

or without questioning if the stories are true at all is what i think a lot of people take away

[@Mia-bo2dk]

From how it sounds (correct me if i missed something) gm has some level of experience. Additionally, as a forever gm, that final stunt he did was legit offensive to me. Op is a total that guy, but if gm tried this shit with me id be so out of there

[@myname9130]

@@Mia-bo2dk GM was bad and forcing a character to die or become and NPC is shitty, but from another perspective it could be that the GM realized he made OP too powerful and let them take over the entire game and didn't know any other way to put a stop to it besides kill their character. Should he have talked it out like an adult? Yes, but based on this post and reading the replies of OP's friends/possible alts in the comments it doesn't sound like anyone in this group did anything like adults.

[@Mia-bo2dk]

@@myname9130 yeah. My own personal view, though, is that if a player decides to outsmart you, you let it happen. If they have a clever way out of this then you should respect that. Sure, you can do some things to stop it, but something like this just sounds terrible. Over all very immature game

[@biggusdickus1779]

So in this 20-minute video, around 10 minutes was dedicated to the OP talking about every insignificant detail for a game that nobody cares about, and the other half is a confusing mess that leads me to believe that both OP and the DM are just assholes in different forms. All the while I'm struggling to keep up with what's happening and resorting to KZbin comments to get a more coherent rundown. I love your vids, Crab. But just remember that quality > quantity. You can upload at a later date if it means finding a good enough story to share with your audience.

[@donb7519]

i think crit was in a way suckered into reading this highly questionable story because op said it happened with someone from his discord

[@yellowpig1026]

OP's character sounds like he would be a great character in a cartoon or book or something, like a bill cipher like character. and someone that should never be played in a D&D game

[@Tytoalba777]

It sounds like a character that should be the villain. Actually, that'd be an interesting set-up for this campaign: Nazi's summoned evil occult demon thing with hopes that they could control it, couldn't, it breaks out, and now the heroes aren't just dealing with Nazi's seeking to regain control (in vain), but also stop the demon from taking over the world.

[@ViirinSoftworks]

@@Tytoalba777 I was thinking that too, but the DM told me that Hitler was on par with my character so it wouldn't work.

[@ThatPazuzu]

@@ViirinSoftworks why didn't you include that in the original post?

[@vulpezerdavulcan9055]

James A Clouder I’m particularly fond of that brand of idiocy which drives perfectly mortal human villains to try and summon ancient hyper powerful chaotic-evil beings, under the apparent impression that said beings will just do whatever they’re told with no trouble. This character could make a pretty wonderful villain, but really isn’t playable.

[@Jermbot15]

@@ThatPazuzu You wanted his exposition dump to be even longer?

[@ChazMcRich1]

I feel bad for the people who come upon this mess as their first crit crab video. I feel like it’s bound to turn people off with how much of a mess the first half is.

[@tatters8236]

While a DM who does stealth PVP and railroads like hell is a bad, OP isn't much better, a character who's in a party of heroes CAN do bad things, especially for the greater good, but... If you get to the point where you are INTENTIONALLY TORMENTING ANOTHER PC that's when you've gone too far, as well, if the DM offers you a character who is completely incorporeal, can gain strength infinitely and can absorb all the spells of everyone who's soul they consume you should probly back out right there because that is blatant favoritism. My conclusion is that both sides of this story are wrong in roughly equal measure.

[@donb7519]

can we just question what the hell stealth pvp means for a second

[@tatters8236]

@@donb7519 fucking other players over either by passing notes to the DM and resolving actions in secret or by the dM deciding that you are going to and telling no one.

[@Allwyn121]

Tl;dr DM lets me go on homebrew shopping spree, then gives me a railroad so I quit. Cool story bro...

[@KeevaTheFirstRival]

OP reminds me of a pizza cutter: all edge, no point.

[@Fear910]

Permanently disabled, Asexual, Autistic, shcizophrenic wheelchair user with PSTD, Anxiety disorder, severe stroke risk who blacks out everytime he eats... what kind of bingo is this? Also this whole story is BS

[@bluefan898]

Whole story is true

[@bluefan898]

I was there.

[@bread1486]

I do feel like the problems he listed of himself is either BS, and he was attempting to get attention, or he one really unlucky person. I do feel like the latter is the less likely option tbh.

[@syphabelnades4560]

Reeks of Tumblrite bingo tbh Completely irrelevant to the story and only added for asspats, like who fucking cares

[@roonaldo86]

Yeah I was wondering about that too. I was going out with a teacher once who told me that almost a third of her class had some sort of autism or personality disorder, turns out you can pay for a private diagnosis and most authorities have to accept it. So I imagine its either that or OP wants to victimise himself for sympathy

[@jennycomelately]

OP is on a crazy power trip lol. Then gets salty when another character is equally as over powered.

[@merryinserendipity7352]

OP problems. "I stayed in the changeling shadow just being a dick." "The party member I tortured on purpose left the tavern to cry" - Oh, so he's self aware. "Heroism isn't defending others, but letting others defend themselves. I don't have to stand up for the girl who's female pc was being sexually harrassed by 3 male npcs in game because she can stand up for herself." - C R I N G E It suddenly frightens me that some misguided people might actually think this IRL when they see a girl being catcalled maybe? Oh I'm sorry. He's a permanently disabled asexual autistic schizo wheelchair user with ptsd, anxiety disorder and a severe stroke risk and blacks out everytime he eats and has no friends or family IRL (he says all these near verbatim). Is this why people put up with his shit?

[@ayf449]

Honestly the true victim is the changeling..

[@curleyqreviews9793]

Remember according to him, his character was controlling the NPCs. He absolutely should have done something

[@donb7519]

people dont put up with his shit because he has no friends and the stories fake

[@FleshCavern]

Warlock: Can I eat it? OP: Oh yeah! Go ahead, only the consequences will stop you!

[@spider-hooch9754]

It sounds to me like the DM allowed a completely crazy pc to exist and realized later that he couldn't really challenge her. Happens all the time in super hero rpg's where smart players make a perfect team of unkillable "heroes." 1 on 1 games with such loose rules can be fun but its hard to keep planning around an unkillable villain.

[@Boss-_]

Not that it has much to do with the story, but because I'm that guy when it comes to language: "colt" is not a term for "male pony". It's a term for a young male horse. Under his definition, a pony would just mean "young horse", whereas in reality they're a small horse breed. I believe the word he was looking for instead of pony was "foal". Yes I happen to be very amusing at social gatherings, thank you for asking.

[@AndresD.deLeon]

So...who was the bad guy in this? Because it sounds like neither side is guilt-free

[@bluefan898]

The DM absolutely was. After Viirin left it got worse.

[@WladcaPodziemia]

@@bluefan898 well, in story as it is right now - OP was.

[@bluefan898]

I was there. The DM was abusive and gaslighting as all hell.

[@APerson-ws4cw]

Both the dm and the player. But that's assuming the player is being honest

[@AA-bj5bb]

@@bluefan898 _Suuuure~_

[@adamjustice6485]

This. This right here, is why we need paladins. What a lolrandom dumpsterfire (player and DM). Cleanse it all in Holy fire.

[@chidoman1595]

DEUSVULTDEUSVULTDEUSVULT

[@jessicaberry5596]

I mean if it worked, it worked. Until it didn't.

[@bluefan898]

Viirin is a fine player. He plays one of the most creative characters I have ever had the pleasure of having in a game.

[@pg4950]

@@bluefan898 I see you in like every comment, a good player would not allow a character like this. I have declined offers from dms about things for my character that I believed would overcomplicate things or make me too op. People can criticize this player, he is not above that.

[@SaltyRogue226]

We cant expect god to do all the work

[@palmagius]

"why shouldnt a chaotic evil, incorporeal, ancient demon do the same thing?" because.....that would be lawful

[@rateater1857]

i literally don't understand what this story is about - something something shadow demon? the point man, get to it...-

[@draghicivlad2444]

Paweł Sobolewski nazis? africa? demons and angels? bruh

[@sugar-high_kitsune]

I got lost SO quickly. What even *is* this OP?

[@goncalocarneiro3043]

Having a DM say they never have players for long... That's not a good sign.

[@BrianOblivionB]

Sounds like Tanya the evil... ends up being supernatural

[@SlendysWatchingMe]

I have literally run the official supernatural ttrpg and ripped off less from supernatural than this dm

[@BrianOblivionB]

@@SlendysWatchingMe kek

[@bluefan898]

Supernatural, 007, and Castlevania fanfic. DM later made an M from 007 NPC and Trevor Belmont.

[@dddmemaybe]

Imagine using anime as your dnd world and then on top of that you pick an anime with a barely fleshed out world and setting and happens to be entirely character focused. Imagine the baseline imagination difference if you picked something like Avatar or Hero Academia for character building(of both mechanics _and_ shit like philosophy right?) and worldly happenstances like locations, groups and wildlife.

[@grapejelly9839]

I mean the game had basically nothing to do with Tanya tbh

[@handsomeaaron6175]

I think I'm on the same page as most people here where I get the feeling that the guy telling the story was probably way more a part of the problem than he lets on. He just gives off serious "that guy" vibes in the telling of the story. In fact, you know what it reminded me of? CritCrab's other video about the guy who showed up with a pre-made character sheet of his completely overpowered character armed with a bunch of over powered home-brew gear and proceeded to be a dick to everyone. Eventually in that story the GM just decided he had had enough and had 1000 radiant damage fall from the sky to smite the dude. I think most fans of this channel will agree that that was generally a good move on the GM's part and this kind of feels like that story but from the dick player's perspective. Obviously I don't know that and never could know that but I have two reasons for suspecting it. Firstly, this guy spent most of this story gushing over how cool and interesting and unique his character was, which is a pretty classic "that guy" characteristic. Problem players tend to be either completely indifferent to their characters and become chaotic murder hobos or completely obsessed with them and get so self absorbed they forget they're playing a cooperative game; this guy comes off as being in the second category. The second reason I'm doubtful of this guy is that a GM randomly deciding to force one of the players to instantly die for literally no reason seems weird even by the standards of these horror stories. Which makes me think that this player is either a) intentionally leaving out relevant details that would make the GM's decision seem less random, or b) There were legitimate reasons for the GM to want to remove him but he's too self absorbed to have even realized it. Again, referencing that video where the GM decided to smite that guy, the guy in question probably wasn't thinking, "I'm going to do a bunch of dickish things today and get angry if anyone retaliates." That would require a level of humility and self-awareness people like him don't normally posses. I'm guessing that as far as the guy in that story is concerned the GM just randomly killed him like the guy in this story is claiming happened to him. I don't know, I just have an easier time believing that version of the story than the one that's being presented to us here.

[@tassos369]

When op was listing off his problems, why did he mention being asexual?

[@joshuapemberton5017]

bc OP and a lot of other OP's for these posts tell stories like a hyper ADD kid

[@PaladinGear15]

I just asked that in my comment xD

[@donb7519]

it gets them more sympathy

[@ViirinSoftworks]

I was ranting in that sentence. I thought I shouldn't write it, then I thought, "How would people see an edit? I'll just own an error if I've made one."

[@Zorae42]

It can cause some discrimination. I have heard of a few asexuals who had issues because their friends/family wouldn't accept their identity as real and others who've had people force themselves on them because "they just need to have good sex to realize what they want". Same reason he listed being autistic - there's nothing really inherently detrimental about being autistic, society just isn't currently geared to support autistic people.

[@OverlordFlinx]

I can’t distinguish who’s the bad guy here. I feel a lot of “Ross DM” from this player. The whole system sounds immensely over complicated.

[@NeiasaurusCreations]

I think we're all with you here, confused due to the way the story is writen, confused as to the listing off a medical book worth of conditions, and confused as to who made what choices. I'm scratching my head wondering if either of these people are 'bad', but rather a bad combo when put together.

[@foffingCh.]

I’m incredibly glad I’m not the only one who seems to think the OP is a pretty blatant That Guy. It’s interesting to hear one of them writing one of these from their perspective, but it’s pretty blatant how lacking he is in self awareness

[@TheDukeofCheese12]

People need to realize how and when to cut out fluff. The first half of the story was a description of the character and the system. This should be reserved for a paragraph at most to not take away from the story.

[@eriklindbergs5017]

The player and DM sound perfect for each other. Karmic justice has been done, let's all go home.

[@Cell287]

Um.....the DM made the race, helped his stats and the fucked him over. I think it was a player wanting a tiefling and getting a shadow demon. The player made the best of the situation

[@pg4950]

Player can say no to being op

[@Necrodancer1312]

I had to rewind this story multiple times to figure out what the hell was going on. Everything about this story, from the way it was written, to OP, to DM, to the madness-inducing character build, is a complete rolling dumpster fire. I feel like a Lovecraft protagonist who just read too much of an eldritch tome.

[@admiralgarbage6403]

I've had dreams easier to understand than this, can anyone tell me what's even going on?

[@bluefan898]

Bad DM railroading like a bitch. Also sexually harassing me every session I played so....

[@DXYS95]

@@bluefan898 Honestly harassing you was the worst thing DM has done in this clusterfuck of a text wall and it only got one sentence and some homebrewed definition of "heroism". The railroading part wasn't as bad: his character died twice. What did OP expect? To come back indefinitely and keep acting like a murder-hobo?

[@bluefan898]

I was working with Viirin on a possible replacement character and what might happen to this character before the railroading. We both knew at some point that there was going to be PvP but we wanted to do it on our terms. The DM was told our plans. This was the DM forcing that decision from us.

[@Barraind.Faylestar]

@@DXYS95 It sounds better than the thing OP wanted to have happen when he died, which seems to be literally "instinct and muscle memory cease to be possible for the whole of the universe"

[@Lady_Ginnie]

I feel like OP wanted to show off his "cool/edgy" character concept more than actually sharing a horror story...

[@Chestbridge]

To me, this sounds like an awful player in an awful campaign with an awful DM!

[@bluefan898]

Player is fine. I DMed for him. He plays a very interesting artificer.

[@Cell287]

Alexn Andum called it, DM was bad, player was good

[@Elvalley]

​@@bluefan898 if you say so. I mean, I can see them being better in person than the insufferable picture they painted in writing their account of this story, as long as they keep their pedantry and vague assholery to themselves most of the time.

[@NarwhalEntertainment]

@@bluefan898 You gotta admit, a super powerful shadow that can never be hurt is... bullshit.

[@bluefan898]

We didn't know until it came up. We thought he was a tiefling not bs until combat.

[@nicholasmorgan7609]

Truth be told, going with the DM's homebrew nightmare and building a PC made to reward murder hobo-ing, the player doesn't sound much better than the DM. In addition, the player being overly verbose and long list of disabilities and sexual identity things make this sound made up, either to shit post or for attention.

[@bluefan898]

Not made up, shitpost, or for attention. I encouraged him to post for catharsis. I was there.

[@nicholasmorgan7609]

@@bluefan898 If you say so, but mentioning all of that sounds like he's trying to get pity points in addition to his tabletop horror story

[@greatulcer2117]

@@bluefan898 You're not an alt account for Viirin are you?

[@CelestialAnamoly]

Sounds like the DM had had enough of OP but hadn't communicated any concerns about the issue to the OP

[@WladcaPodziemia]

I cringed hard at the concept of this PC... So much edge, that I am now clean-shaven... OP sounds like terrible player and creator of terrible PCs himself, ragequitting game of that not-that-good DM was doing him a favor. Truly, that guy being proud of himself.

[@foursamms]

Not the Discord! Activate the Mango Turrtets with our best aiming crabs!

[@CritCrab]

Load em up! 🥭🥭🥭🥭

[@bluefan898]

This is almost 90% accurate to what happened. Some slight inaccuracies on specifics. But still pretty accurate to what happened.

[@ViirinSoftworks]

@@bluefan898 Hi changeling!

[@ElConradoX]

That's a really screwed up idea of "heroism". Sounds like an excuse for inaction in the face of responsibility, while still presuming to stand on the high ground.

[@OrangeyChocolate]

His idea of heroism sounds more like cowardice.

[@turbovirgin_]

I think he has a point, it's not helping anyone to save someone who has things under control. You just make a one-sided fight even more one-sided. Then again, he may have just told himself she could handle things because he was scared to act. Or he's trying to justify his inaction after the fact.

[@Lord_Poyo]

No, it's actually rather accurate. Tell me...how capable would you be if everyone did everything for you? How would you ever drive if people only ever drove for you, and you never tried yourself? How capable would you be at defending yourself if you never had to protect yourself? Being taught or shown something does not mean you become good at that thing. It's the difference between intelligence and wisdom. One means possessing knowledge, while the other is knowing how to use said knowledge. Maybe you aren't being a hero when you let others handle themselves at first to let them have a chance to grow, but you are being a hero when they have had that chance and you save someone when they need to be saved. Being a hero is NOT stepping in at every moment. Has nobody ever told you "I can handle this myself"? What you are describing is a "helicopter hero".

[@ElConradoX]

@@Lord_Poyo You are describing personal responsibility, not heroism. Heroism implies helping when help IS NEEDED to one's personal sacrifice or risk. If you don't risk anything, and passively observe something happen and get resolved WITHOUT your involvement, YOU ARE NOT BEING A HERO. This person's definition of 'heroism makes everyone watching the news a "hero". It is one thing to say you will step in only when needed, it is another to glorify yourself for it and call that being "heroic". And if the situation DIRECTLY INVOLVES YOU but you let someone else handle it and don't even acknowledge your responsibility in the moment, guess what? You are actually being a coward. It doesn't matter if the other person "has it covered", no one will ever reject the words "I got your back!"

[@Lord_Poyo]

@@ElConradoX That is why I clarified in my second paragraph and said basically exactly what you just said. You're only a hero if you help when the help is needed. I wouldn't say sacrifice is a requirement, since you are still saving someone, though the amount of sacrifice does change how much of a hero you are. Also, being "directly involved" in something is very specific. You are not directly involved in something just because you are in the vicinity, witness something happen, or are even participating in an event when said incident occurs. You are only directly involved when you are either the culprit or the victim. Your counter-example of "that logic makes everyone watching the news makes them a hero" doesn't work here because the people watching the news do not have the chance to intervene. Also, yes. People some people WILL reject help, no matter how many times they fail. Some people are simply that independent. If you just keep butting into people's affairs in an attempt to save them, you give them no chance to prove themself to not only others but more importantly THEMSELVES. You also rob them of the chance to grow. So in a way you are both right. Though you may not be a hero for letting others handle their own matters initially, you are if you intervene when they need it.

[@vsGoliath96]

"I'm permanently disabled asexual autistic schizophrenic wheelchair user with PTSD, anxiety disorder, severe stroke risk, who blacks out every time I eat and has not friends or family." And all of the sudden I have no reason to believe anything in this story happened at all the way OP said it did.

[@stevdawizard392]

The player creation made me REALLY think this wasn't DND it felt like another game altoghter

[@Creshex8]

The OP’s ramblings remind me of a Conan O’Brien skit called “Pierre Bernard’s Recliner of Rage.” CritCrab’s ending line “subscribe to the channel to hear more stories just like these...” NO! NOT MORE STORIES LIKE THESE PLEASE!!!!!

[@Crisjola]

All of this, right down the shot gun full of rock salt, and the Colt that can kill gods, is yoinked right out of Supernatural. *Kind of* the same power system (if you squint) for demons' "true forms" in SPN being black smoke (instead of a shadow). And the DM knew what was going on with his player, because he provided the Colt gun to be found and that his character reacts in (edited) ways the same way as demons do in Supernatural. It sounds like to SPN fanboys had a falling out and it ruined the game. I feel badly for the other players.

[@FaolanHart]

17:38 Jesus that victim identity list. Twitter would be proud.

[@Working_Title_]

After watching the video and reading the comments I can say with certainty, that I have no idea who the bad guy is supposed to be...

[@JackTheSlayer-ok5eq]

I think the DM realised the dudes character was OP, then dealt with it horribly

[@redholm]

Yea. And it even sounds like the player was actively trying to Nerf himself. To get less than originally planed. They could just have worked something out from the sound of things.

[@donb7519]

more like his character was actively made around ignoring plot details and bucking and while railroading is bad so is actively ignoring the plot

[@ViirinSoftworks]

@@redholm I very much was, but the DM didn't want to listen to anyone for the most part.

[@bluefan898]

DM super ramped up railroading after Viirin left.

[@Cell287]

Don B, how would you role play “ ignorant conviction”

[@RDMacQ]

Yeah, I had to check out after the guy's description of his character. It just went on and on and on and on and on. Guy needs to know that people aren't as interested in his character as he is.

[@Synkrotta]

I were? I tuned in through the whole video and his character concept was awesome from a story-perspective! Not every DnD game needs to be the same or "PeRfEcTlY bAlAnCeD". Also, he wanted to play a Tiefling, the GM led the train to this character.

[@Lord_Poyo]

@@Synkrotta Wow. So you justify having overpowered characters because they don't always need to be balanced? You think one character should be able to just battlecharge through everything without any triuble? Your D&D sessions must be SO much fun. Also, DM didn't lead the train to the character. DM imposed some limits, OP sounds like he moaned and groaned about them, and DM caved.

[@mattsmith457]

@@Synkrotta This dude is almost definitely a friend of or is Viirin. I've seen 3ish comments defending this dude.

[@grapejelly9839]

So beside everyone beeing right that both the Op and Dm are in the wrong, i just wanted to point out Tanya the evil is a ww1 not ww2 story

[@Thagesthoughts]

This whole thing feels like a slow-motion train wreck...

[@2009VandA]

I'm sorry but where is the "spy" part? Where is the infiltration? It just sounds like DM joined looking for players. The tittle dosen't seem to fit the story.

[@vegaskatus]

Holy Cats! I just wish there had been a time stamp where the story got to the point. TLDR: OP talks DM into making interesting, but OP PC, the DM gets tired of the PC and then kills him.

[@araidenfreudianharpy]

Pretty sure I got so bored with the bulk of it I managed to miss what actually happened 😂

[@greatulcer2117]

Not really interesting, it was a murder hobo built to reward being such.

[@limeylimers21]

1) this was IMPOSSIBLE to follow. Horrid writing, not CritCrab's fault. 2) this campaign sounds HORRIBLY RACIST, holy moly.

[@OrangeyChocolate]

I can’t even tell what this story is supposed to be about.

[@dragonlordex]

'That Guy Infiltrates Discord Server, Ruins Game' ....Wha? That wasn't what the story was about at all. Did I miss something? What I got was 'supremely obstinate DM alienates and drives away his players'.

[@scorch2155]

Did you watch the same video as everyone else? Because OP practically gleefully explains how he tortured NPC and PC alike qnd let sjornforfet his definition of Heroism being "I do nothing and am the hero for it!" This reeks of That Guy taking full advantage of an inexperienced GM and trying, and failing, to paint themselves as not being toxic AF and causing nothing but problems for everyone else.

[@mikusama8030]

"Something important like murder" - CritCrab 2020

[@DrPluton]

One of the basic rules any DM should follow is to not remove a player's agency.

[@MrCrunchytime]

Look at what you wrote, now imagine a jockey trying to ride a horse without holding the reins.

[@mementoargentum7733]

@@MrCrunchytime They mean completely. There's a difference between leaving a trail that the party can choose to follow to progress the story (or ignore it and become something else altogether.....not always a good thing imo) and railroading to the point where you are literally told your character will become a NPC after a certain instance.

[@Nuggette]

@@MrCrunchytime yeah if you want a story where you can fully control what every characters does write a book. A little bit of railroading can help the game staying focused, but if you overdo it players will stop enjoying your game.

[@DXYS95]

I mean, OP died twice (his fault btw) and he still expected to keep playing the character. I get that removing player agency is a bad thing, but it was either that or saying "yup, you're dead, make another character". And DM probably had a plan for it as an npc, otherwise he wouldn't have gone out of his way to do this

[@MrCrunchytime]

@@Nuggette Don't do it at all, or too little, and the game gets lost chasing every little bit of stupidity imaginable, or horror stories happen because the GM is completely unwilling to rein characters in. I don't understand why the DnD community seems to believe they have the right to be and do whatever they want and the GM (Game Master, in case you knuckles forgot what that stood for) can't tell you "No" because PlAyEr AgEnCy. Breaking News, players only have as much freedom as the GM allows and even then, it should be treated as a privilege that can be revoked at ANY TIME. Yes, I do agree that too much control makes for an unenjoyable experience, but in the same vein too little is unenjoyable as well. My family has always had strict rules regarding the Evil alignments and for a damn good reason. The GM has to have rules, set boundaries and overall keep options off the table, otherwise it might end up with one player having fun at the expense of the others.

[@fakechemicals]

So...the OP is supposed to be "that guy" in the story right? It has to be. He's awful.

[@nabskull1567]

“Lets get to the character’s name” “Idk bro lol”

[@Lucanoptek]

"Your deadly skill is jogging ? Mine is murdering peoples" - Spy TF2

[@CrowePerch]

This is such a heavily modded setting and game calling it 5e is probably not a good idea and it definitely confused the hell out of me when I listened to this. There's a game out there that's kind of as weird as this setting called Invisible Sun, I'd recommend this to OP.

[@brichouse2117]

Is it me or is this Video mega complicated? I don't get this setting or character at all ):

[@bluefan898]

Ok. We were sold an urban fantasy set in WW2. This was about as clear as the DM that ran the game.

[@dejaquejarmeunrato686]

Setting: World Weird 2? Character: über clusterfuck

[@Kuremensu]

Character was turbo broken egotistic demon. Setting was WW2 but cults are almighty. Not the best one could expect, player was having fun because his character was playing god and suddenly he was useless, hence the 'horror story'.

[@bluefan898]

Actually the game got worse after he left. The DM started targeting me and hyper sexualizing my character even though she was absolutely no sex stuff.

[@kaylee6584]

"I refused to learn another real life alphabet and language, and translate them into English just for my character's name". Or you could have just Googled up some appropriate names. It's not that hard. The OP's really no prize himself, regardless of what he or his sock-puppet "friends" will say. Moreover, OP didn't listen to like 90% or care about what was going on, so why were they even playing? All I got out of it was "My character exists because....um, I don't know. They were summoned because reasons, I guess? I don't really care".

[@SapphireDragon357]

The good news: This was not based on an anime! The bad news: This was based on Supernatural, and I'm surprised Sam and Dean didn't show up and kill OP.

[@wolfofthewest8019]

I have a feeling that the DM invited "That Guy" into the game in order to rid himself of OP, who comes off as 100% That Guy. Very powerful Unreliable Narrator vibes here.