That Isn't The Right Advice! - Dating Podcast Derails Into HEATED Debate...

[@destiny]

Zherka's dating podcast part 1. Don't spoil who the surprise guest is in the comments. Part 2 ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYOUeGSZeaeJg5o

[@persianguy1524]

Dude you need to stop pretending that the redpill isnt spot on women and dating, specially in the west.

[@persianguy1524]

I would love to see you debate fresh and fit or kevin Samuels

[@TreehouseINC]

i wont PEPE

[@joshcookify]

@@persianguy1524 throw in Derek from more plates more dates for a superphysiological take on it

[@Valkeryu]

@@persianguy1524 lmao get over yourself. redpill ideology is trash. none of you are successful, why would anyone take your advice seriously? the "best" of you are the ones taking advantage of the rest of the community to sell them "tips and tricks" and "ten step plans"

[@roymarshall_]

Zherka definitely doesn't need any dating advice he has already met the love of his life: his own voice

[@hemerythrin]

TRUUUUUU

[@angelicking2890]

hahaha

[@rasmus7493]

I genuinely fucking love Zherka. Just the brutal honesty is really nice, no matter how much of a ass he is, he holds a special place in my heart.

[@SuperLotus]

Zherka doesn't need dating advice cuz he's a Chad

[@singhatar0912]

Lmfaooooo truuuuuuuuuuue

[@eddiecarter8134]

I think Destiny’s entire point is this: It’s only a game if you’re having to purposefully go out of your way to do these things. A lot of the game tactics work because they are mimicking the actual behaviors that highly desirable people do naturally. Steven is saying that is unhealthy because unless you’re doing these things as a natural part of your behavior, the facade can only last so long.

[@hellacool729]

Y E S

[@averagejoe9229]

@@swordierre9341 Who said playing the game is gonna change your physical traits? He's talking about stuff that you can actually improve on.

[@aydenr5467]

@@swordierre9341 I'll simplify it for you. It's about whether you are GENUINE or FAKE in how you do these behaviours. If you can be genuine, you'll be able to maintain these behaviours which get you relationships. If you're fake, you'll fail, often.

[@unclebobboomergames]

@@swordierre9341 yes that is what we are saying. Playing games and being fake about it (you're playing a game...its fake by definition) Is cuckboy stuff. You'll always get your partner snatched by someone real

[@Don_C06]

God like comment

[@Frankiecheek]

Zherka “laying down the facts” about dating while awkwardly trying to hit on someone is the funniest shit.

[@gountaa]

Dating and flirting are not the same thing. Also Zerka is a tall, handsome men with a deep voice, he doesn't have to be good at flirting, all he has to do is be somewhat nice and not absolutely retarded and he'll easily get girls.

[@akiltircuit7515]

Oof. This guy is keeping his chat’s virginity protected.

[@DrStealthbug]

Then date him

[@benimagine1377]

couldn't have said it better

[@HOVNA]

This is so sad. This is how you get useless relationships

[@MinecraftGod69420]

It's funny cuz if he was ugly and had the same mindset he would literally be an incel lol girls aren't onto jon for his smarts thats for sure 🤣🤣🤣

[@smoqueed44]

@@MinecraftGod69420 Okay "Minecraft God". I'm sure you're an excellent authority on what girls are into.

[@otmanh]

Zherka: I'll just say it!! MONEY!! that's what girls like the most. Hot Take!! Statistics!! Also Zherka: All these millionaire KZbinrs and editors come to me begging for advice because they're lonely and unsuccessful with women. HOT TAKE!! Tim Pool: I'm rich but feminism ruined it for me !!

[@bigheadrhino]

His ability to contradict himself is insane.

[@CastrationNation]

That is true that he made that contradiction but I think a part of his point was that you need money and his little red pill ideology.

[@otmanh]

@@CastrationNation Don't make up points for someone when they never made them themselves.

[@bobsherman3055]

Looks>Status>Money>Personality

[@charliekowittmusic]

I disagree with this. Statistics are one thing. In my experience, you just need to have SOMETHING to offer. If you have a car and a place to live, that’s something that applies to the most people. True. I don’t have that atm. I do have a social situation where I can regularly go, be the star, and get tons of attention, as a musician. That works for me. I get to meet and date women who are very attractive and haven’t been without a date since 15. For some it might be art. Or writing. For some it’s being really funny. For some it’s taking care of themselves and working out a lot. Bottom line: if you take care of yourself, if you can be somebody people like to be around? You’ll do great with the ladies.

[@kjk607]

30 seconds in and I can already tell that my current level of Patience is not enough for this video.

[@cofferxzor5549]

Same! Omg if i would be in a convo with this guy i would rage from the start.. Does he know how to deal with other people at all?

[@faikerdogan2802]

İ came to comments at min 9 😂😂

[@distinctisme]

@@faikerdogan2802 Minute 9 for me too lol. Zherka is entertaining in very small doses but a forum like this, where he's running the show, is way too much Zherka for me.

[@faikerdogan2802]

@@distinctisme totally agreed. İ didn't enjoy zherka all that much this show 😅

[@pedrotherabbit2222]

@@cofferxzor5549 No he doesn’t, you must be new to destiny lol

[@jetjet6560]

"Honey wake up, there's a new Destiny redpill debate"

[@karimshebeika8010]

couldnt have said it any better

[@quellonatolibero]

Redpill arc >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lefty arc

[@darcesub9467]

That born sinner avi fire bro 🔥

[@c.karnstein3299]

Thanks bb

[@Visitant69]

It's kind of sad but Zherka seems to have self esteem issues. Destiny saying "You can play the game and get laid or you can be the best version of yourself and get laid and maybe find a good relationship in the process. Zherka responds in the negative to that. Which might mean that he doesn't believe his true self can attract women.

[@adamyooz]

I feel like he’s the fat dragon ball a nerd from elementary school put into an attractive man’s body and he’s really insecure about it

[@bennymountain1]

@@adamyooz Maybe it's just his voice? I'm an ESL and my gf just overheard me watching this and went: "Is this guy r*******?" simply based on his voice, she can't understand him.

[@bennymountain1]

@@wisemage0 How so? I would call it ableist at worst.

[@singhatar0912]

@@bennymountain1 lmfaoooo

[@ExeErdna]

@@bennymountain1 I mean she isn't wrong, it's mean as hell yet when you have the subject manner...

[@MrProofMan]

Sereda: I find poems attractive. Zherka: NO YOU FUCKING DON’T!!!!!!!!!!

[@clarissamarie4605]

Also Zherka: you find ME more attractive than the simps you pay you lol

[@HistoricaHungarica]

Zherka clearly intellectually surpassed everybody and that’s how he knows what other people feel.

[@johnsampson6387]

Women are creeped out when an unattractive guy writes her a poem.

[@RobReith]

@@johnsampson6387 If you've never talked to the girl it's creepy to give her a poem. You need to at least establish some sort of a relationship first. Even just as an acquaintance would be enough, but imagine someone you never talked to just comes up and give you a poem. That's creepy because it means that they've been watching and thinking about you while you don't even know that they exist. That's weird, it would help if you talk to them first.

[@johnsampson6387]

@@RobReith I don't know...I'd be flattered to have a secret admirer. It would mean that someone actually liked me for once.

[@mikecurry6847]

Zerka is focusing way too much on the monetary value of the candy bar and focusing too little on the sentimental value of someone remembering your favorite snack that you might not even remember telling them about. The gift isn't at all about the gift itself. The gift is a signal that you're listening to even the mundane things that your partner says which makes them feel important and that they're being heard when they speak. It's the old cliché about the "little things" and all that.

[@gavinvales8928]

I never understood what "man child" meant, until now.

[@awsomeboy360]

Until now? The gaming community, online community is filled to the brim with manchilds

[@singhatar0912]

@@awsomeboy360 idk man the gaming community for the most part engages within good faith acting and most gamer men on twitch are fathers that tend to take responsibility for their children and provide for their spouses. If that’s not peak chad energy, idk what is. Oh yea it’s screaming like an ape cutting people off and enforcing misogynistic tropes right ? Righhhhhht

[@bobbobby475]

@@singhatar0912 Sheesh wish I was in the same gaming lobbies as you were LOOL. Probably here people getting told to kill themselves at least once a day if I'm gaming.

[@Bizarro69]

Menchilds abound 😆

[@singhatar0912]

@@bobbobby475 lmaoooo nah their was a fuck ton of that going around too hahaha

[@mattcoakes5682]

Destiny: *tries to explain his nuanced perspective* Incel brah: "You use too many words, i only accept one sentence explanations"

[@A_Swarm_of_Waspcrabs]

"THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!"

[@dininelbourne]

WEEEEEOOOWWWWDIDDLLYDIDDLLYDOOODLYEEEOOOWWWWW!!!

[@Kev7035]

How is zherka an incel?

[@genzo6514]

post physique

[@mattcoakes5682]

@@Kev7035 around the same time of this interaction he was making some really incelly takes. I wasnt using that label literally, it was hyperbolic.

[@Dogan_TM]

God damn Zherka can't stop playing a character, huh

[@karimshebeika8010]

you either die an actor or live long enough to see yourself become the role

[@dracula7779]

Ive seen only one clip where he sounds like a genuinely good dude - talks about a reckful memory, where only reckful listens to him during a party, and later asks permission to put zherka into everland.

[@tayo17923]

He just plays it up for entertainment but he def believes most of what hes talking about. The questions and confrontations he has with Destiny are always fun to watch

[@Daniel-qc7be]

Sadly it'll never top the flat earth debate

[@stephenvankleeck4801]

He definitely believes this stuff.

[@trippasnippa119]

zherka is frustrating to listen to debate because of how he is just like going on and on talking about his bullshit then barely lets people talk, then ignores their take and goes off on another tangent/ convenientyly misinterprets the information so that it seems so radical and mindless when in reality its very logical.

[@trippasnippa119]

​@@azqq1526 Calling Destinys arguments an act is S-tier gaslighting

[@stephenvankleeck4801]

@@azqq1526 Declaring someone who disagrees with you as “acting” is the absolutely weakest counter argument. The dude has shit-tier takes and MANY people disagree with extensive life experience to back it up. He is a legitimate man-child and he’s going to keep banging his head against the wall and giving horrible advice until he grows up. He should be asking advice, shutting up, and taking notes. He isn’t ready for these conversations.

[@AfroAtze]

@@azqq1526 No one is doubting that Zherka is successful with women. It's just probably not because of his deep philosophical insights.

[@stephenvankleeck4801]

@@azqq1526 You’re literally doing exactly what I pointed out was a shit-tier counter argument. 😂🤣 You’re as confused as little Z.

[@AfroAtze]

@@azqq1526 Isn't that exactly what I said? He is a good looking fit dudebro, of course he will score unless he is actively working to prevent it. He doesn't need redpill, so all the redpill shit he is spewing misses the point. It works for him because he is attractive, he is not attractive because of redpill knowledge. People who are less attractive won't profit because his success lies in his physical attractiveness and not his insight in human interaction, therefore his teachings will fall flat for people with "dating troubles". I find Destiny's approach more reasonable because he is a goblin and is still getting laid, so he must be doing something right.

[@Nightknight1992]

destiny makes a claim beautiful girl confirms said claim zherka laughs like a maniac and calls steven a meme

[@knucklessonic1067]

@@wisemage0 Thats assuming red pill thinking is what men need

[@knucklessonic1067]

@@vic123 well I mean why wouldn't someone want someone else who is successful tho the guy said that her wanting a successful man was fine its okay to want beautiful people or successful people just don't be an asshole to other people and you cant really put all females under an umbrella they are people from different families from different background's I mean that's over 300 million people you are talking about there

[@Nightknight1992]

@@vic123 im pisspoor, average looking and have a very easy time with girls without playing any retarded games. also the last 2 relationships the girl actually asked me out. whoever thinks just being a likable person (plus tiny factors like hygiene) isnt enough is beyond help.

[@shrisiva4016]

@@knucklessonic1067 That's rep pills whole point though, improve yourself to be successful because women are attracted to success. What's wrong with that advice?

[@knucklessonic1067]

@@shrisiva4016 Red pill gives great self imporvment advice I argree but if you travel to the deeper parts of the community you will see a shit to of mysongny and sexism from my experiance while I think they give great self help you can get that anywhere like from destiny for an example I think there are just better outlets to get help for yourself outside of the red pill community.

[@delorne2776]

Wow it's really sad that Zherka has only ever known soulless gold diggers his whole life. That's a real shame.

[@whyno7035]

No he just thinks they were all gold diggers because they didn’t like who he was as a person

[@johnsampson6387]

Is there another kind?

[@msgirly6827]

@@ddawg3230 this is actually a great point that people miss. You are seeking golddiggers but then get mad at the fact that you get them? Weird.

[@LUC0R]

Relationships are about values. Everyone prioritizes their values differently and they’re attracted to those who exude those dominant values. Make yourself a high-value individual in your way and attract those who prioritize those ways.

[@alvinoflys7504]

I couldn't honestly give a shit one way or the other because every person/interaction/relationship has its own dynamic but it just interesting to see how caught up in their own perception of reality people can be sometimes. When asked about whether or not women should be equal providers Zherka initially responds by saying "I don't care I'll pay her half" while simultaneously holding the opinion that doing that is incorrect. Meanwhile Sereda when asked about whether she pays rent or provides in her relationship she says yes but with the odd qualifier of her "driving him around, dropping him off, picking him up" with the most derisive attitude as if those actions should NEVER under any circumstances be preformed by the woman. Zherka acknowledges the game and how it must be played and that it is the only way to get ahead and isn't happy with it apparently, but he himself is unconditionally paying more than his half. Is he more concerned with getting laid or keeping his ideals straight? Red flag. Sereda is envisioning the world where her ideals of dating are met while her counterparts ideals most likely would not. How can she reasonably expect an equal relationship if she is apparently incapable of driving a person around without the power balance falling heavily in her favour? Red flag. They're both guilty of playing the game when they think it suits them best, and the point is: everyone does, so it doesn't fucking matter other than figuring out how and who to play (or not play) your game with.

[@handsomebear.]

Then we have Destiny who enjoys, is good at, and engages in playing all kinds of social games while signalling to his audience that he never plays anything up for personal gain, outside of all the times he admits to doing just that...but it's obviously for good reason don't ya know, because that would be sooo fake. "Chat, just think of the most extreme incel take you can imagine and that's the person who thinks dating is a game. wink wink"

[@johnsampson6387]

Well...their own perception is reality is all they know. How can they be expected to base their worldview on anything different? Their life advice is going to be based upon the very specific experiences that they themselves have had, which don't necessarily apply at all to the next person.

[@synlion]

@@handsomebear. Dude how are you this resistant to actual insight? No amount of red pill arguments will change the fact that anyone who actually talks to women seriously knows your worldview is bs.

[@jvtc]

Dude's with no natural charm or personality have such a hard time understanding how to get women because they see it as a game. The guys that get women regularly don't play games because it just happens naturally. It takes all of this dude's brain power to figure out women, and it's sad.

[@titanscar2183]

Actually great take The more you think about it the worse it gets. There are obviously things you can do to help your situation out. Look your best, be respectful, etc, basically being a half decent human being helps. After that it's a matter of either waiting or finding someone who you vibe with. If a fat fuck like me can get a girlfriend, with the kind of weird ass retarded personality I have, idk man. I think people just make shit a lot more difficult than it has to be, including myself when I really got into online dating a few years ago. Id be looking up guides on how to make women find me attractive and how certain body language is something they always pick up on and No, to get with the girl I'm with now all I did was show her a lot of respect and honesty, asked her out and that was it. I didn't spend 300$ on clothes or use any of the techniques I saw online, I was me, and it sounds cliche by saying "just be yourself" but no really, if you want to have a relationship of any value and meaningfulness just be yourself, and be a half decent human. If nobody is interested you're either unlucky or there's something about you that needs improvement. People can absolutely tell when you're not putting your best foot forward

[@amolpant6291]

If you said a certain type of girl than I would Understand because Zherka is famous for picking up girls in clubs and streets...and there are various IRL clips that proves it... In all his Desktop streams he plays a character and If you can't tell he is trolling than I don't know what to say... he even showed a Discord message between Destiny and him that shows they both planned various parts of this debate for trolling.

[@wydmark]

Dude ur wife is mid, stop acting like you bagged a 10😂

[@amolpant6291]

@@wydmark 😂🤣😂

[@bennymountain1]

@@wydmark But did you see his phone?

[@Drwiggles69]

Zherka is one of the worst podcast hosts I can imagine. And he's hosting a dating podcast? Lol

[@nicholatemple9296]

He really thinks he sees the strings that hold the universe together.

[@WordUser]

I feel like that makes it more entertaining

[@dallasmoorenumberone]

@@WordUser dumb insecure people make the best content thats for sure.

[@nicholatemple9296]

@@soliooss Wait... did you just say he's an alpha male, 300IQ, but he cant make it in streaming because he isn't dumb and insecure?

[@dallasmoorenumberone]

@@soliooss did i insult your favorite streamer? sorry mate.

[@thatmetalhead9000]

being more authentically yourself allows people to open up more to you. like destiny's first example is spot on. if you don't like something say it.

[@dallasmoorenumberone]

They are both talking about different thing, Steve is talking about friendships and relationships(one night or longer) Zherka hasn't talked to a single girl for more then a week at a time. Just listen to him for more the 5 minutes and you can tell he is hella depressed.

[@benjaminagostini8]

@@dallasmoorenumberone Yeah, I honestly have heard nothing from zherka that makes me think he's interacted with any woman for longer than it takes him to fuck them.

[@wydmark]

@@dallasmoorenumberone discord nerds are always projecting depression lmfao

[@welly4907]

@@dallasmoorenumberone you are lost my guy they are both making good points. Sometimes your athletic self is a nerd and that's not really gonna help you get a girl generally so you got to play the game or change who you are to get what you want

[@bla-bla-bla8881]

@@dallasmoorenumberone the first attack you people use is always a personal one. And it’s always the “oh you’re an incel” without any proof. You never address the point.

[@Lightningkuriboh]

“The whole talking a lot is kinda stupid” ITS A PODCAST

[@LaSerpentDEden]

Both your jobs are to talk. You're literally asking him questions. Wtf

[@e.d.5766]

Nothing better than awkward silences in a podcast.

[@MrDocPennington]

Yea lol say you can't read without saying you can't read

[@psdelux]

Zherka is annoying af. Trying to sound genuine but fails miserably. Just because you talk calmly and stop people from explaining doesnt mean you are "debating".

[@neverknowsbest1717]

Zherka: "What about a plumber who makes $80k a year? You don't want that you want someone successful" I think that's pretty damn successful

[@TheEndiPL]

Being the best plumber is the peak success, but maybe not to people who view success exclusively through the lens of social media stats, which is sad to see Zherka act like those are the only humans alive today.

[@Zeeell]

@@TheEndiPL *"maybe not to people who view success exclusively through the lens of social media stats, which is sad to see Zherka act like those are the only humans alive today."* Surely that was the entire point with the description that Zherka himself set up. That Sereda wouldn't be interested in such a plumber, because it might not confer the same kind of social status OR expensive lifestyle.

[@Zeeell]

@@normandy2501 *"She even said that you can make 50k and compensate for it by how you make the other person feel special."* Yes, earlier on in the conversation. From memory, when it comes to the plumber-suggestion, Sereda expressed no positive thoughts towards Zherka's suggestion, only skepticism. Also, making somebody feel appreciated by being a nice and thoughtful person isn't necessarily the same thing as having a well regarded social status. It might well coincide but you can have one without the other. *"You can work on getting more money together as the relationship goes on. Just don't be a leech."* I'm curious about this statement. If you're not ambitious enough or don't value more money in the same way, does that make one a leech in your eyes? Sereda for instance talked negatively about a frugal millionaire. Is the millionaire a leech simply because they have a different view of money and its uses?

[@Zeeell]

@@normandy2501 I can agree to most of that. I'd just like to point out for the sake of clarity that just because someone wants something from another doesn't mean they can/should try to change that person in order to see that 'growth'. There's a clashing of worldviews there where just because somebody is believed to have a capacity for something, doesn't mean you can successfully extract that from them. It may well be some irreconcilable difference between parties. In that sense I'm similar to you, in that minimalism is my preferred state of being and acting in the world. For instance, I'd rather be a stay-at-home dad than maximize profit. For some women, that would make me instant 'bum'-status. Curiously, few people call women bums when they would want the same kinds of things.

[@johnsampson6387]

@@Zeeell VVomen are allowed to be the male equivalent of "losers" and it's socially accepted.

[@SoldierGeneral64]

Let's be real neither "being yourself" nor "red pill" works automatically. If you have certain flaws that you accept as part of your personality that do not conform with what is traditionally expected/desired within the market then you aren't going to get in a relationship most likely. Or at the very least it will make it that much harder. Likewise neither such advise would work for someone who is sufficiently ugly or "undesirable" based on modern standards of beauty/expectations.

[@kingmaho1]

I was looking you a comment like this. Why is this so hard for people.

[@johnsampson6387]

Exactly. I'm a short man, so I get just as much action being myself as I do following red pilled advice (none).

[@johnsampson6387]

@@kingmaho1 Because people love to believe there is hope and that they are in control of their lives and all it takes is behaving differently or taking different actions.

[@shrisiva4016]

@isdnYou are speaking anecdotally with a sample size of 1. The general trend is overwhelmingly the opposite. And I'm saying this as a tall guy, it's not hard to see it's harder for shorter guys.

[@GregXHunterz]

damn

[@Acolyte00]

Has Zherka always been this obnoxious? I've listened to him before and he was alright, but for this one he just seems horrible.

[@GubiYoroi2]

he gotten better for sure before he was so much worse

[@averagejoe9229]

I think a certain podcast further rotted his brain after his unban. I don't know if he's grifting for his incel fanbase, or he's actually genuine.

[@singhatar0912]

Yea he sounded annoying as fuck in this lowkey

[@singhatar0912]

@@averagejoe9229 was it trains pod cast.?

[@rll1236]

@@singhatar0912 no. its 'freshandfit' podcast... a literal redpill/incel podcast hosted by dudes who think that women need men to succeed

[@Bigblunts613]

Never take dating advice form a guy rocking a muscle shirt with no muscles

[@Stable_Genius]

Lmao! Well said.

[@rreeeekk]

Zherka is kinda hot ngl

[@singhatar0912]

Well said.

[@bennymountain1]

Right? First Sargon, now these guys.

[@nicholatemple9296]

Zherka is peak dunning kruger.

[@karimshebeika8010]

ye I dont know, is he still in character?

[@nicholatemple9296]

@@karimshebeika8010 Oh, is he just pretending to be stupid? My bad.

[@jamesortega8923]

Yuuuup

[@shinubii]

this

[@aspacelex]

Destiny's point that the game teaches you to mimic normal behaviors without doing any work to actually arrive to them is so good.

[@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261]

Jordan Peterson had a great point when talking about competence: you can either legitimately have it or you can simulate it, but smarter or more experienced women will always see right through that simulation. This point was in relation to narcissists/ dark triad types and it’s quite concerning how many people in the red-pill sphere, although not having this kind of personality disorder, are going for the same strategy as people that do simply because they’re being misguided by utterly disfunctional “dating experts”..

[@TheAudioInjection]

Funny how listening to Destiny talk to Sargon of Akkad or Lauren Southern was infinitely more palatable and enjoyable than listening to Zherka.

[@God-xw1nu]

kokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokok funny

[@shadic971]

The scariest part of this video is that Zherka believes in the advice he's telling people

[@jahfaricoumarbatch3947]

a lot of people do. besided Cadice owens. its the sell out mentality t hat is the only exception

[@bubblegumdukem9758]

Is this the conversation destiny messaged Jon? If so that clip is even funnier

[@trippasnippa119]

I have no clue but yeah i agree Im only commenting for if someone comments the answer 😂

[@peewee130946]

Zherka definitely doesn’t get laid as much as he says. You can tell by how he replies to the question he get super defensive

[@singhatar0912]

Good catch !

[@redrick8900]

I don't think he ever gets laid.

[@PeakedInterest]

There is literally no point talking to this guy. He either ignores things that don't support his belief or he distorts it into something that supports his belief.

[@johnsampson6387]

Destiny or Zherka?

[@SaltyReverend]

Zherka makes it very apparent as to why he has such a hard time with women lmao.

[@SurrealKeenan]

Every time Zherka said "what would you say to people who are suffering?" or whatever, I wanted to ask him what he would say to fat people who tried dieting. There's a great analogy between red pill ideology and toxic workout lifestyles. Crash diets make you lose a ton of weight in a short time and so someone might see that and think "that's what I need to be healthy", but people who are truly healthy know that they need to change their whole lifestyle and make sustainable healthy choices and to people on the outside, that might look like they're "playing the weightloss game", but in reality they changed who they are to become a healthy person

[@johnsampson6387]

The difference between redpill and dieting is that dieting works regardless of who you are, but redpill only works for guys who are already tall and good looking enough to women.

[@rhinoboy09]

All the content from one nights shifts worth of livestream , 10pm till 6bst in a warehouse has never been so good !! What a stream

[@Tocinos]

We have determined that "Nononononono" counters "Waiwaiwaiwaiwaiwai"

[@sHmAaa]

You can`t take dating advice from youtubers, don`t even bother. Their platform automatically brings them up in the social game. Its artificial, it mimics good social skills and power even if they are socially inapt.

[@arcajeth626]

They all will hold tight to the pc version of what makes you successful with women... The worst thing to do is to take advice from women on women... Though they tend to give good advice on what you should wear and how you should look, the rest of their advice is garbage lies they tell themselves..

[@smoochytehruiner]

As a guy that has written many poems and made personalized mixtapes for girls in the past, Zherka is absolutely right. That shit does not get you laid. However, Destiny's general advice is pretty much spot on about how to foster a loving and lasting relationship with a partner. You don't have to go all in on 'the game', but you do have to understand the basics to be effective when dating. Any other advice from playing the game is a recipe for a toxic, short-lived relationship. Do what you need to do to get in, but once you're in, be the best possible version of yourself.

[@StoicBehavioR]

Destiny made a poor argument. For one, Destiny was already in a relationship with said women. Secondly, those women already like Destiny. I think Zherka was trying come from a place of starting out from step one. Which is creating an attraction from women. I think they were arguing from two different points it seems.

[@simian01]

My life was better 10 minutes ago before I knew who Zherka was.

[@bbmm3811]

"John are you currently sleeping with someone?" "Yes, uh to be honest I've always been. Always, my whole life, always been hooking up with someone , always. Always." That is pure, unbridled Cope.

[@kyle8971]

When your attitude is "alpha" but you're actual a "kappa".

[@bennymountain1]

To be fair, he explained that it's a counter-play in case she's implying he was traumatized.

[@2lostbikes]

He *rationalized it as a counterplay because he needed an explanation as to why he ran from the question.

[@handsomebear.]

You're literally coping in the comment section because you're upset over someone with Zherka's ego getting laid. Get a grip of your feelings lmao.

[@johnsampson6387]

I believe it. Women love guys like him.

[@MegaEssj408]

Oh wait, where's the second part to this. That shit was too funny.

[@supersmoothsully2451]

Zherka guy asked Destiny what his insecurity is, while coming off as the MOST insecure person possible the entire interview lol

[@tkayuniverse3493]

Sadly, @23:49 I think I agree with Zherka. Destiny’s poems work because they already like him and want to be with him, for whatever reason. A guy who a girl has not determined she has interest for because a lack of status or etc etc reasons, the things destiny is talking about don’t help. If a person likes you, a lot of things work for you because of that. If they don’t then trying to engage with them to create interest/ attraction requires some amount of dumb playing of games. Sadly. The person may not even realize it, but society calls it chemistry or a connection or etc. truth is, if they don’t already like you, its requires some level of playing games. I can easily say I’ve probably been with more people than the average person, maybe even destiny level and the vast majority of them don’t respond to genuine openness with attraction. They like it, but it doesn’t inherently turn anyone on unless they already like you. They will literally tell you the opposite to your face but then still not fuck with you. Everyone I’ve been with requires some level of games. Sad truth. We can say hygiene isn’t games or lax communication isn’t games sure…define it as whatever you want, but you still need to do it. And Consciously if you are like me and naturally prefer to be super genuine and open.

[@mattmiller9809]

I don't disagree but I think you can get people's attention and "play games" without giving up being genuine. I am genuinely a flirt. I use it to my advantage when getting someone's attention. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. But I am not faking who I am to do that. If I get in a relationship, I am just as flirty inside that friendship or relationship as I was prior. But yeah, poems don't work with someone you just met unless you are at Poem Con or something lmao but there does have to be a hook and that doesn't have to lack genuineness (as Zherky suggests). You can be who you are to get someone's attention and that getting someone's attention is "the game" and if you can't hook someone, you have to genuinely change yourself for the better. Women can sense fake shit sometimes and eventually the mask slips anyways.

[@Abell_lledA]

One is stuck playing the impassioned protagonist in one’s Subjective Narrative of Self 🎈

[@Trecesolotienesdos]

Like there are people in so-called "lowly jobs" like carpet cleaning who get plenty of babes. But mainly babes in specific social stratas. Not high-end people, but "normal" women. Destiny has a point, this is pretty hyper-specific advice.

[@jordandowler2344]

who's the woman and why is zherka not letting her talk?

[@johnsampson6387]

Because he's more androcentric than Destiny.

[@Clyemacks]

This guy will never be in a healthy relationship. Guarantee you he cries himself to sleep several times a month because he isnt really happy.

[@IBBMS]

Not everyone derives happiness from relationships? You sound like a dependent with mommy issues. Maybe go to therapy and figure out why you can’t be happy unless you have a partner and you project that on others. He might be perfectly content hooking up or just having more casual relationships or none of the above.

[@rendoa556]

@@IBBMS that wasn't very poggers of you

[@kevinjohnanand]

@@IBBMS lol are you ok??

[@bigdoinkies6362]

you cry yourself to sleep when you're not in a relationship???

[@Clyemacks]

@@IBBMS I never claimed that happiness comes from monogamous relationships. I was making an observation from the video, he states that the goal is to win a woman over, in making that his goal he has objectified her like some sort of trophy. This type of thinking will never lead to a healthy relationship (friendship, monogamous, or open/poly) because people arent things to derive resources (emotional, financial, or otherwise) from. I'm actually married, spent a few years in a poly relationship, for several years before that I was happily single after a rough relationship.

[@niall2451]

this guys views relationships as games, and doesnt realise the purpose is to find someone who you genuinely like and who reciprocates the same feeling, lol.

[@colinjohnson6454]

Gotta say, Destiny was in the wrong this time... ...for wasting his time talking to this 🤡.

[@singhatar0912]

I’m gonna be honest, I’m petitioning for Jon to return to his flat earth character rather than continuing this cringe red pill bro character …

[@hartyewh1]

Steven and John would make great sitcom brothers.

[@kylecrowson1417]

I empathize with Destiny here on this topic, and I think a lot of people don't get it. On everything being a game, social interactions have guides to get certain results, this can be called manipulation here, without the negative connotation. We can discern here that one of those guides is people enjoy what feels natural, which will be what seems less like a conscious effort to manipulate. Like thinking "if I agree with them, they will like me more." Or "if I disagree with them, they will like me more". Because women will enjoy the comfort of being agreed with, AND the excitement of conflicting opinions. Now these things become void if there is any feeling of a facade. If she recognizes that you are taking a conscious effort to get certain results, it makes them feel objectified. If it feels genuine, the excitement in disagreeing, and the comfort in agreement is there. That's why none of this red pill stuff will work on anyone that knows they are just running different techniques to win them over. But you can do the same shit as these fakers and get those results. The reason I empathize with this is (and I normally hate using these terms as I don't find they are great methods of describing people) I would be considered a sigma to people who adhere to these hierarchies. This classification I tell people works for attracting women. Because seeming uncaring about winning a woman over, raises your value. BUT, I add as a caveat, that I do not approach women in this manner (which is not approach them at all and being focused on whatever I like at that moment.) out of some conscious effort to make myself seem attractive. If you start acting like a sigma would, ignoring women hoping they will become attracted to you, there are factors involved that might give an unnatural vibe, and it won't work.

[@ExR0XAS]

id have to agree. i feel that people shouldnt just bend to the other person just to go along with something since thats not being true to themselves. I hate that this game thing has just become the norm of todays society. like not caring is just cool now. being toxic is fine nowadays and screwing people over without giving a thought and messing around without others knowing is just insane to me. I feel that things like tinder and other things have really impacted how we view todays dating scene. and of course worse values ("values" that being my opinion)

[@mehbutfair]

This podcast solely exists for Zherka to get some game, because it's been slow for him.

[@voshi2211]

"I am more simp-y than incel-y" what a legend 🙌

[@swagmund_freud6669]

It's not about his money it's about how much effort he puts into the relationship.

[@Solkage885]

It that was true why do celebrity men have groupies

[@user-wu1us1yh3n]

Top Tier content

[@VTRDC27]

"What it takes to get a lot of girls in their life..." good fucking god. Does Zherka literally have brain damage or is this just how people think about life? It's like he spends all day in the club and knows no other atmosphere. This is sad.

[@PrinterStand]

This whole video was a Zherka self-report. Its a clear case of two people spouting normalish takes, and Zherka somehow out-interneting two internet personalities. Like all his takes are from someone who has been on the internet too long. Like bro Zherka, real life is calling, pick up the fucking phone.

[@LethalByChoice]

Dude the chat was so fucking dumb with taking Zherka's side on this. They must be incels or red pilled because Destiny IS right, you are not going to have meaningful relationships if you go red pill, that's objective fact. Zherka is also objectively wrong in how he views women and dating in general and he doesn't view women as human beings, he views them as objectives in a video game that he needs to strategically complete. Anthony Recenello is one of the few dating coaches that knows what real dating is and doesn't believe in the red pill mentality and gives awesome advice with dating.

[@StoicBehavioR]

*"you are not going to have meaningful relationships if you go red pill, that's objective fact."* Says who? You! Sometimes called the "Godfather of the Red Pill", Rollo Tomassi has been a permanent fixture in the 'Manosphere' for 20 years. With a focus on evolutionary psychology and objectivism, Rollo brings a pragmatic, nuts & bolts, approach to intersexual dynamics, men and women's innate natures and their effects on today's society. He is the author of the internationally best selling book series, The Rational Male. Published in 2013, the series' first book, The Rational Male, has become the 'Bible of the Red Pill', positively impacting and saving men's lives worldwide. Since 2011 Rollo has been the essayist/blogger/owner of The Rational Male blog. He is the host of his own KZbin channel, The Rational Male and a rotating host/panelist of Rule Zero, a weekly men's issues show. Rollo is a frequent guest on the Fresh & Fit Podcast as well as the Rich Dad Podcast with Robert Kiyosaki. *Rollo lives with his wife of 25 years* in Reno, Nevada, along with two (or more) greyhounds. Not really fact as you say..

[@azimuth9819]

It's so funny how they act like 50k is chump change when it's literally 20k higher than the median 🤣

[@msgirly6827]

@@andrewraby8008 old lady like your grandma ?

[@MrTom806]

I think the most important thing is just being confident in yourself and the words you say. And also understanding that you’re gonna get rejected and to not look at rejection in a super negative way and to try and get some good lessons from all your social interactions.

[@bla-bla-bla8881]

Generic bs.

[@MrTom806]

@@bla-bla-bla8881 what’s wrong with being generic ?

[@bla-bla-bla8881]

@@MrTom806 the redpill says the same shit and goes even more in detail

[@clarissamarie4605]

what if Destiny took over the PUA movement as a joke and got dudes to score by good cop/bad copping a dude attempting to neg a beautiful woman

[@clarissamarie4605]

@@SkeleTonHammer alrighty but you need a skilled wingman to do the negging, then you swoop in and be the hero!

[@maniac50ae14]

He could if he tweaked some things because his advice isnt off, i just think he dont understand that incel mindset. They most are just nice guys. Not guys being nice to get something, but genuinely nice guys and they need someone to tell them to give a little less fucks about people and to be more cut throat. But see how i said that, most people dont like how that sounds, but thats how THEY need to hear it because thats how they see that kind of behavior.

[@clarissamarie4605]

so basically "no more mr nice guy"?

[@handsomebear.]

@@maniac50ae14 Destinys issue is that all he sees and thinks about when it comes to someone who isn't successful in dating is extreme online incel, black pill shit. He instantly goes to the most insane takes to represent fairly normal dudes who have lacking social skills and just aren't very successful in general. His own experiences have made it really hard for him to relate to people who aren't hyper confident and intelligent lmao.

[@maniac50ae14]

@@clarissamarie4605 Mmm, kinda sorta! They can be nice, they just have to find their edge, learn how to talk a little shit and tease a female without becoming a complete a-hole. I like being nice and i dont tolerate women that dont like being treated well, so i have my own issues because a lot of women are turned off if they perceive me to be too easy of a catch. Again, this is what it means to "run game" or "play games" and it actually is more detrimental to women because once a guy learns that caring less get him more ass, why would he ever care again?

[@KaleEmAll]

There's no "game" you have to play. The only way to win is to not play. - Patrice O'Neal. Literally, get your confidence up, be honest (even to a fault) and don't be fake and be consistently inconsistent so grandiose gestures maintain their power of influence and so she never feels like she has you. It makes you more desirable. I disagree with Destiny a ton on numerous things, but he's spot on here.

[@the-renegade]

I get confident - Oh, you're incredibly condescending. Be yourself - Oh, you're boring. That's my frustrating concern. Even then, it is discouraging for me to engage, and I get envious observing relationship affection online or IRL.

[@Jaryism]

This Zerka guy is basically the epitome of EVERY douchebag high school "gym bro" that gives highschool advice for "picking up chicks", that literally has almost no bearing after 20 years old... when you get into the real world, women are looking at personality, values, if you want to start a family, dependability, what career goals you have and hopes/dreams.. do you want to travel and see the world? I've been married now for 7 years in my mid 30's now, THIS is the stuff that matters. This cocky "hookup bro" shit does not apply to 99% of what women are looking for out in reality after highschool.

[@rockandrollbit]

This is the first time I have seen Jon Zherka. This dude is easily one of the most obnoxious characters I have seen.

[@skyefox]

Zherka picked up Tucker Max's dating book and is still living by it to this day.

[@Doschia]

This is the best dysfunctional duo I know

[@MrNadav1995]

At the end of the day the best is to have a mix of two things 1. Knowing who you are and increasing your value in a genuine way that will make you naturally more fuckable i.e getting a job, following your purpose, having a good social circle, good relationship with yourself and your family. 2. Knowing the game and what buttons to press when needed....

[@isaiahfreeman]

Destiny vs Kevin Samuels would be funny

[@eddiecarter8134]

I think a lot of people would be surprised at how much they would agree with eachother.

[@HarryWilmington]

Facts! It's perfectly fine to have game, and as I explain in my videos, most women PREFER a guy who knows what he's doing and how to attract them vs. those that don't. Learning "game" is basically discovering how to do things that give her the most amount of pleasure within your interaction, so that she makes the CHOICE to be with you vs. chasing her away.

[@peperoni_slayer8918]

you guys are taking this waaay to serious, this was one of the funniest podcasts in a long time, good banter and memes throughout. Zherka bringing the content back.

[@peperoni_slayer8918]

ohno, the vid cutoff when infrared joined, this is missing all the memes august

[@mothgru]

@@peperoni_slayer8918 August has the content brain. He's for sure making a separate video for when infrared joins.

[@singhatar0912]

@@wisemage0 he used to be a flat earth maga bro.. I’m not surprised lmao. Character or not these people want him off the platform.

[@JBeestonian]

"Are we not on twitch?" This dude knows that 'the game' for him isn't actually helping people, the game is saying the things that give him the most subscribers. That would mean that being a slob but having rich parents is a key advantage, which would stroke the egos of all the people who have enough times to watch his streams but can still donate mad bank to him.

[@johnsampson6387]

Well it's true though. Working hard is for suckers and desperate poor people. Trust fund kids have already won at life.

[@neverknowsbest1717]

Zherka: "Don't worry kinds, I'll protect your virginity"

[@LAHowell]

Zherka has the same problem that most guys have. They treat “getting girls” likes it’s a con. It isn’t and if you view it like that or like it’s a game then you’re just a creep. Be yourself. Work on yourself. Acknowledge the areas within yourself that need more attention or straight up need fixing. What one person finds attractive someone else will find repulsive. This kind of mindset, the kind that Zherka has is a one way ticket to Incel-ville. Learn to love yourself (not in an egotistical way), work on yourself, be kind, be intelligent, be open to change. That’s literally it. It isn’t hard, guys. And if you keep missing, THEN THATS JUST HOW IT GOES SOMETIMES, FELLAS. Stop worrying about it.

[@johnsampson6387]

"What one person finds attractive someone else will find repulsive." Interesting. How many women find tall men or men with a thick head of hair repulsive?

[@FullMetalAtheist]

Why was this split into two parts without having a second part up? A bit odd.

[@singhatar0912]

Theirs a second up ?

[@bananewane1402]

I find it amusing that Zherka thinks Destiny has apex redpill dating strategies. The things he described and called redpill are the exact things I personally find unattractive about Destiny. Different people like and want different things. I’m into people who are kind, caring, attentive, soft, ect. I can’t cope with a partner that shits on the things I like, goes long stretches (like over a day) without communication, doesn’t care about my feelings and doesn’t give enough affection. I had one like that and I dumped him after a few months.

[@xSalamz]

Destiny should have debated FaceandLMS.

[@xSalamz]

@@crowned2088 Face needs to up his game.

[@JK8]

Zherka is 100% correct about women not paying for 50% of costs when livin together

[@skinnyguy7773]

Destiny made so many bad arguments here, I lost count. He claims that if a man wants a pretty girl, he will need to financially provide for her (meaning she will be broke). This is 2021, there are a ton of attractive chicks in the workforce. In fact, vvomen are starting to out-earn men in various fields, I know many attractive chicks who earn 6 figures. I would also point out that it's the vvoman who needs to make a tradeoff if she wants her bills paid. Here's why. If a broke girl wants a rich man to pay her bills, she won't be getting a young chad. She will have to settle for a middle aged man she isn't attracted to. Also, any girl who is only pretty while wearing makeup isn't pretty- hence why she wears makeup. That was another argument with faulty logic that Destiny made.

[@johnsampson6387]

Wow there are non-delusional people in Destiny comments section too? :O

[@VTRDC27]

It's hilarious that Zherka just flat out says the equivalent of "nuance isn't important". This is the epitome of dumb brain.

[@TypOnomIcon]

Dude's acting like being a plumber or electrician making 80k a year isn't impressive. He has no idea how much work, education and critical thinking goes into that kind of work. And 80k a year would be a dream for most people. That is a "go getter", not a streamer who got lucky.

[@StoicBehavioR]

Well Kevin Samuels has interview countless women on his youtube channel. He's ask all these women would they consider marrying a plumber and they've all said, no! Which proves it's about the title and keeping up with the Jones' to them. Carpet installers and plumbers can make over 80K+ a year, which goes show, it don't matter how much _"education"_ these women can get. They still don't have any earthly idea what jobs a man can do and make bank off of with less of an education.

[@TypOnomIcon]

@@StoicBehavioR my wife married me when I was still cleaning toilets. A woman whose worth the time isn’t going to care

[@SlyEphex]

Lol did zerka self report himself as a sociopath? "gotta play the game" ahh yes reducing human relationships into game theory lol.

[@charlesblasini2134]

Zerka self reported by assuming the girl was gonna say "who hurt you?"

[@westingtyler1]

let's be clear. Destiny is 100% right. and this other guy is like a middle school incel. You will get women by making yourself into a guy worth being around, and treating people with decency, and becoming a good conversationalist who listens. boom.

[@oblivion_2852]

It's not a game it's about being genuine

[@kevinanderson2559]

The insecurity that oozes out this guy when he laughs is mind blowing… sad

[@richardeknormis7688]

The MSM might not “promote” female promiscuity but it absolutely “celebrates” it

[@sprogg11]

In England when the policeman recently abducted a murdered a woman, as riduculas as it sounds, it was actually a curfew for all men that was suggested.

[@mrperfectcell1350]

23:22 "Roses are Red, Violets are Blue, I'm farming m*fkin KekWs" I wish my brain worked even half as efficiently as Jon Zherka's. When God created Zherka, he was on to something.

[@jg3865]

The poem thing that Destiny talked about is true for a lot of women.

[@jg3865]

@@wisemage0 not true...according to who? I've worked with over 10,000 women, that ish works....

[@jg3865]

@@wisemage0 whatever feline...stay in your box Human beings are not numbers.

[@Red88Rex]

I’m a 36/F who has dated and slept with many men and women in my time, so let me give a few observations… First of all, looks matter so much. I was a very shy kid growing up like painfully so, and I only got good at socializing because people came up to me so often. I’m above average in physical appearance so it helped me a lot. Otherwise let’s face it, I would be a 36 year old virgin. But it gave me the practice I needed. Also going to parties and drinking a little bit got rid of any social anxiety I used to have, to where I don’t need to drink anymore unless I just feel like it. What I am saying is even if your face isn’t that great, get your ass to the gym. Run, bike, climb, lift! Not only do you get hot, but you show that you have dedication and work hard. Do that for yourself and they will come to you. People can overlook an ugly face, trust me. Secondly you have to have a lot going on in your life. Be working toward goals. Make small and large ones. Have hobbies and passions. This is good because you’ll have a lot to talk about when you meet someone and they won’t think you’re boring at all. Don’t imply you’re too busy for a relationship , but make sure they know you have stuff to do and are going places in life and not a loser smoking weed all day never going outside. Lastly from MY perspective about attraction… I consider myself demisexual which means I need some sort of connection with a person to feel sexually attracted to them. There’s no rules to this. I have my “type” of woman, I like older ones mainly, but I just know when I meet someone if there’s a connection. So online dating is complicated for me because I can’t just look at a picture and know, but I have dated a few women off tinder. I’ve been single for years at some points and just been happy doing my own thing. Oh and regarding money, as long as you can afford your bills and to do stuff with me, I don’t care how wealthy you are. Some of my best relationships were when I was young and we were dead broke. I don’t care if you drive a beater or where you live. And I’ve turned down sex on a date when I felt judged by a woman. If you don’t like something about me then I’m not for you. Money doesn’t matter. Self confidence does. Good luck to all of you

[@thisisfallacious9463]

I'm trying to quit alcohol and had to stop watching this one, zherkas going to make me relapse

[@Icenflamesrush]

Idk, I’m legit not sure if Zerka is putting on a character. Feel bad for the kids in his chat who take him seriously.

[@johnsampson6387]

40:20 "The beauty standard for women is so off the charts out of control...it's like crazy..."-Sereda ...literally wut? The beauty standard for women is much LOWER than for men: Do women have to be tall? No, plus they can wear heels. Men have to be tall to be attractive and get mocked if they wear anything to boost their height. Do women have to be beautiful? No, plus they can wear makeup anyways. Men have to be handsome naturally and can't use makeup if they are ugly. Do women have to be rich? No, they can get a man to take care of them. A man can't rely on others and needs to make his own money. Do women need to have big breasts? No, but they can get surgery to enlarge them. A man can't get penis enlargement surgery. Do women need to be thin? No, there are chubby chasers that like BBWs. No women likes fat men, however. Do women need to have perfect hair? No, they can wear wigs and it's perfectly societally accepted. If a man is balding, he is unattractive and gets mocked if he tries wearing a toupee.

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

Zherka is pure gold. This podcast was the best content in months.

[@rynethorup5690]

I really dont understand why he is so stuck on what advice destiny gives his viewers compared to his actions. Destiny is in an open relationship and tells people all the time that most people would not like his sex/love life because of how rare the circumstances are. He has the fuckin hottest fiancé and he's totally cool with being in an open relationship where she can get with other people. I bet the % of people who would be fine with that lifestyle is below 1%

[@drdoomer8553]

Dude kind of reminds me of infrared lol also I’ve found that Destiny’s point of having interest and qualities that make someone take notice of you is solid advice. Dudes can have all the money in the world, but (unless it’s a gold digger of course) it won’t matter if that’s all you rely on and don’t have something to talk about/focus on.

[@johnsampson6387]

And being interesting to talk to won't matter if you are too ugly or short for her to want to be in your presence for an extended period of time.

[@drdoomer8553]

@@johnsampson6387 even if you think you’re short and ugly, you shouldn’t act like someone who’s short and ugly if that makes sense. The dating scene doesn’t work for dudes who are insecure and awkward. Also lowering standards is a pretty easy way to get a date. Not someone who you see as ugly, but maybe not the first three picks.

[@wintersmill4853]

Some people are just not as desirable. You’re not gonna change it. That’s what people need to be told….

[@theredbanana6265]

This is agonizing to watch, my prayers destiny