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[@ContraPoints]

First they came for the celebrities

[@Titanicsubmarine]

Defending Natalie is bigotry.

[@87channels]

@@Titanicsubmarine Begone, vile man. Begone from me! I am untethered and my rage knows no bounds!

[@TheHarlequinHatter]

And I did not speak out, because I have no mouth, and I must scream

[@josnad01]

and yet I'm living for your Stevie Nicks realness. #yasQueen

[@jackboot8432]

"They do evil to whom evil is done." W.H. Auden

[@decembervyne6541]

“I have friends who struggle with same sex attraction 😇” literally gave me war flashbacks to my Mormon upbringing

[@IL_801]

Same

[@petermercurio9415]

Jimmy is great, Telltale talks about cult's and cult mid-set's including mormons. I love TRHPS as well. I called the opening the dancing lips as A kid :)

[@petermercurio9415]

I assume you like it with that profile.

[@danielsykes7558]

^^^^^^^^^ SAME

[@faithjolley6034]

Saaaaammmeeee

[@lordhoot1]

When you were talking about hypervigilance I remembered the comedian Richard Herring's bit about the the time his phone was snatched by a black teenager on a bike. Afterwards he became more wary and was alarmed when another black teeneager cycled past him some days later. His great anxiety was that the incident had turned him racist. Then he had a similar jumpy response when a white person cycled past him and his response was "thank god for that, I just hate cyclists!"

[@li_celly]

see, this happened to me. I got robbed by two black guys in a suv, and they snatched my phone and dragged me on the road. My biggest anxiety was similar to Richard Herring's in the fact that I actually accused a black guy on the sidewalk where I lost my phone again. It was the absolute worst racist thing I've ever done. While I know I have traumatic experience, it still doesn't give an excuse to look at a person of that race and expect the worse in them. My biggest take? I dunno, just put your phone in your backpack or sew deep pockets into your pants/skirts.

[@Whambow]

See also: One Minute Racist by Caveh Zahedi

[@li_celly]

@@Whambow Hey I just saw the film. That was a good recommendation. Thanks!

[@Whambow]

You're very welcome!

[@izzy1349]

There is a king of the hill episode where hank's dog bites a black repair man and everyone accuses hank of being racist and passing it on to his dog but at the end its revealed that hank, and by extension his dog just hate repairmen

[@n.heartnet4573]

Dr Freud: It comes from the trauma of boys discovering women dont have a penis Natalie: Im about to end this whole mans career.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

Freud was a weird guy.

[@mamamiia]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 But we love that brilliant coke fiend.

[@jennywhat6108]

Ironhide ehm no

[@catdownthestreet]

"we, as a society, need to stop proving Freud right" - someone who commented on a video on misogyny and daddy issues

[@Sarcasticron]

When the first Harry Potter book came out, Ursula Le Guin commented that she thought it was fine, but the author came off a bit mean-spirited. She saw it before any of us did. Such a brilliant woman.

[@phoney2627]

I always thought she was a bit meansprited when reading the books as a child but no one else had pointed it out so I didn't quite know why I thought that. Later figured it out, it's because all the overweight or "ugly" characters were made fun of by the main character and sometimes his friends who are supposed to be role models for kids. Also whenever she wanted to portray a female character as ugly she described them as "mannish", take of that what you will. The making fun of overweight people especially kinda got to me, I remember being as young as 5 years old thinking I was too fat even though for most of my life I've been pretty average sized. Definitely didn't help to read that as a 9 year old.

[@bluesuedeshoes801]

The trans echo chamber of doom

[@DrippyWaffler]

😮 Ursula Le Guin wrote one of my favourite books, the dispossessed

[@Sarcasticron]

@@bluesuedeshoes801 Joanne Rowling is trans? I had no idea.

[@belphegor_dev]

You will unexist yourself. ​@@bluesuedeshoes801

[@JaelinBai]

"This is the most effort you're gonna get from me, this isn't Contrapoints." -Lindsay Ellis "I haven't researched this, who do you think I am? Lindsay Ellis?" -Contrapoints

[@thebeesknees5850]

Mutual adoration 👏

[@barbaramoura6648]

WHAT IS THIS A CROSSOVER EPISODE?!?!

[@squibitybeebop]

endless cycle of “go ask your other mom”

[@asfodelos3225]

I love my two academic maternal figures

[@ThewOrldIssqUare]

Wait, what video does LE say that in? :D

[@Whosaskin]

Lindsay Ellis: "I'm not contrapoints, this is as much effort as you're gonna get from me" Contra: "Who do you think I am, Lindsay Ellis?"

[@florcita72]

My OTP ♥️♥️

[@lovelysan]

dear gods. imagine the power of a Lindsay researched, Contra-produced uh... production. The world is not ready.

[@jrg2866]

YT "friends" being actual friends, you love to see it

[@Alina_Schmidt]

@@lovelysan Not to diminish Lindsays researching skills, but Natalie already did a lot of research. I feel that was the biggest work she did for the video. I‘d rather wonder how Lindsay could work on a different aspect of the topic or go into one more deep.

[@lilyhope432]

Its like having lesbian parents and each time you ask for something they tell you "Go ask your mom"

[@AcolytesOfHorror]

As someone who grew up in Kentucky, where bigotry is um... not hard to find, I love how she talks about bigotry not being as simple as hate or rage. If you're in the In Group (I'm a cis straight guy so I always am) bigots are often truly kind, generous people. It's so easy for folks to laugh off accusations of bigotry cuz it's like "What? Me? I get my ass up to go to church every Sunday morning so I can sit and listen to a guy preach about how important love is!" Most of the vilest bigotry I've heard is often so clearly coming from a place of fear, and it always shocks me the lengths people will go to cling to feeling terrified.

[@bennie870]

Hey, just wanted to say I absolutely love your videos! And yes it definitely is a complicated topic. My grandparents are wonderful people, but I sometimes wonder how would they behave if I was queer. They're very religious and progressive in a way, but they have a tendency to be like "poor people it's not their fault if God made them that way, they should be accepted". As if it was the christian thing to do to have pity for those "poor souls"

[@DieAlteistwiederda]

My mom is very open minded and actually even a good ally but damn did it take a lot of years and educating herself to get there. Different times where this kind of information we have now wasn't as easily and readily available and then also growing up around a bunch of bigoted assholes does that to a person. Even now she still isn't perfect but she tries and I have met people like you described too that were super friendly and warm until they found out that I'm non-binary and an atheist and about my very liberal views. It's strange to see someone turn from kind to monster with a kind face in less than 5 seconds.

[@CeruleanRogue]

This, I don't think people realize that most bigots aren't slathering imbeciles who spout hateful remarks every hour on the hour. Most of them come off as very kind, very generous people and might even be invested in trying to make the world a better place... But only for those whom, like you said, are in the 'In Group'. Casual bigotry and subconscious bigotry are even more prevalent and insidious than outright bigotry. Because when the loud bigots start screeching their hateful rhetoric, it's the rest of the 'In Group' who silently support and or allow them the right to the pedestal. It does not help that those in power have made it their mission to keep that casual bigotry alive through peripheral and subliminal messaging in our advertisements and media. For example whose pictures do you see in news reports and/or books that discuss crime? It's generally not gentrified, white-cis individuals but those of color. Growing up in the 90's-2000's I can certainly tell you that the rhetoric used in the news to differentiate a person of color who committed a crime was LEAGUES different from when a white man committed a similar offense. Likewise in regards to trans issues, the media has made it a huge habit of conflating the false narrative of men dressing up as women and 'invading' women's spaces and made it seem like an epidemic that is constantly occurring. I've seen that very plotline countless times in televised crime dramas across many different nationalities and networks. It subtly reinforces the gender binary and suggests to people that trans folks are to be feared and a direct danger to them. Regardless of whether or not it's true. (It's not, if a malicious person wants to hurt you they're almost never gonna take the time to 'dress up' to do it.) It's unfortunately why people like Rowling are so harmful to the trans community, because she HAS enough power to affect the media and drum up that fear amongst millions of her fans and beyond.

[@gilbertbelsma4576]

This is absolutely it!! The culture and community i grew up in is VERY anti-lgbt. I'm not out yet at all, but many of my friends ask me why I still feel anything for them and why I don't just say "fuck them, I don't care." Well, it's because the people who will disown me and vilify me for coming out are also the people who donate to charity regularly, who help strangers out on the street, who supported me through some of the worst points of my life, who always make a point of asking you how you're doing, if you need anything, to not hesitate to ask, and MEANING it. Does that mean they can't be bigoted? Does that mean they can't spend the weekends laughing with their friends about the "tr*nnies" or telling you to stop hanging out with your best friend because he seems "fruity?" No. Fuck no. People don't seem to understand that the same people who can spit on you for being a deviant can also talk you down from a ledge, sponsor your cancer treatment, hold your hair back when you're sick, hold you close while you sob, etc etc. Bigots can be absolutely fucking anyone. They don't have to walk around kicking puppies. They don't have to walk around with a pin on their lapel that reads "Hi! I disowned my granddaughter for being a f*ggot." They're just human like the rest of us, and if you're walking around looking for Westboro Church signs, you'll miss the people who pass you by with a grin on the streets, who hold the door for you, who pass bigoted words off with a "but that's just me." Bigotry is complicated, and if we want to get anywhere as a society, we can't afford to keep looking for neon signs while dogwhistles get dismissed as "just the wind" or "you're just hearing things."

[@RyanStorey1231]

+

[@TheOnceling]

"When you dehumanize the villains, you become unable to recognize the villain within" I absolutely love this

[@LeBonkJordan]

"Hey, you know that part in _The Empire Strikes Back_ where Luke heads into a spooky cave and he sees Darth Vader, but then he kills Darth Vader, and he finds out that Darth Vader has his face because guess what, dickhead? You can't hate someone without carrying them within you! We hate most that which we cannot face within ourselves, dummy!" -Thought Slime, "How the Far-Right Weaponizes Nostalgia"

[@masters3104]

​@@LeBonkJordanAh yes, the two sides of the 30 year old balding manchild millenial's brain. One is for arguing with people on twitter for 10 hours a day and the other is for analyzing marvel power scaling.

[@jadenjerries2094]

that hit hard, been there. You get so caught up judging others you forget to judge yourself, or you just assume you're too much of a good person to be doing anything wrong. It's an easy trap to fall into.

[@dark2023-1lovesoni]

That's why it bothers me so much when people just assume criminals and predators are just unsavable evil people ("they're not like us", "they're amoral psychopaths, incapable of empathy", "they're a different breed", etc...) That may be true occasionally in some rare cases, but usually even serial killers are still people, and even most career criminals don't see themselves as evil. In my experience many of the most hateful and destructive people I've ever known often believe their actions are justified and/or moral. When folks assume evil doers are inherently different than themselves, what they're actually doing is reassuring themselves that they aren't capable of hurting others, or purposely blinding themselves to their own capacity for violence.

[@Godfailedyoustophumpinghisleg]

​@1lovesoni Yes but are pedophiles still human?

[@emilytrace3670]

The neighbours probably called the cops after hearing me stand up and bellow at the screen during the 'pronouns are rohypnol' part. Being roofied is one of the most horrific violations imaginable, whereas the pure joy on my little brother's face when I asked how he'd feel if I started introducing him as 'he' and 'my brother' remains one of the most beautiful memories of my whole life. This is who she #StandsWith.

[@digitalcyclone7218]

the best part about it is how they're willing to spit in the face of women who have ACTUALLY been roofied and drugged against their will.....just so they can step on them and use them as a pedestal to preach their hatred

[@hoathanatos6179]

My sister doesn't drink but will still go out with friends and more than once has she saved a friend from being drugged or was able to take them to the hospital when they were drugged at a club and kept the men away.

[@saudiarabianman4196]

I have a question why you hypocrites radical leftists think gay marriage is okay but cousin marriage is NOT okay?? If a man loves his FEMALE cousin, it’s okay to marry her. Love is love

[@kevinvan4310]

@@saudiarabianman4196 bruh, you ever heard of the Hapsburgs?

[@synonymous_]

@@saudiarabianman4196 straw man of epic proportion.

[@MothsAreTheBest]

"I'm honouring God with my sex-change" are you TRYING to kill Girl Defined

[@crishealingvtuber8626]

As a Christian, this is theologically correct.

[@paradactyl3729]

I'm hope Attis, Adonis, Tammuz, Xochipilli/Xochiquetzal, Inari, Baphomet, Joan of Arc, and the rest of the gang feel appropriately honored.

[@lucisamudratira9345]

Why not? Honoring the "soul" of a person (as a reflection of God) is the meaning of Namaste, right? Otherwise, physical birth defects would be the reflection of God's image and plunge us into some dark Calvanist God-shaming of bodies and claiming that it was a reflection of the state of one's soul.

[@Dtctr010]

their history and articles are doing that

[@cjboyo]

Hey, so am I, but unironically lol

[@Breerox108]

Thinking about the scenes in Harry Potter where Ron, Harry, Hermione, and the ghost of a teenage girl were all able to be in the same bathroom together without this bathroom war debate coming up.

[@lachlanjames9320]

underrated comment

[@BryanBMusic]

BOOOOOOM!

[@SomeoneBeginingWithI]

And the scene where said ghost got into the (either gender neutral or just for boys, I don't think the text specifies) prefects' bathroom and watched Harry bathe.

[@ayal92]

@@SomeoneBeginingWithI And the entire thing was played for laughs. Trans people using the right bathroom bad, ghosts creeping on teenaged boys good!

[@saudiarabianman4196]

I have a question why you hypocrites radical leftists think gay marriage is okay but cousin marriage is NOT okay?? If a man loves his FEMALE cousin, it’s okay to marry her. Love is love

[@PumkRock]

I wasn't out when this video first released, and the stuff about bathrooms- about how trans girls will often compromise their actual safety to protect cis women's "feelings" of safety really sticks out to me. After I came out- I had something I've since referred to as my "big trans night out". Me and a group of friends went out drinking with me presenting fem. I live in a conservative area, we have no gay bars or queer spaces- but there's this one bar that was always very welcoming to complete weirdos, people from alt scenes, etc- i had cross dressed there in the past. At the start of the night I said I would continue using the men's toilets. I looked good, but I didn't perfectly pass- i had internalised so much of this transphobia, and didn't want to make other girls feel threatened or scared. I was sexually assaulted several times in the men's bathroom- men grabbing at my ass and flat chest, trying to kick open the stall I was using, shouting and jeering at me- with the worst incident involving a man pinning me against the wall with his forearm, while trying to get his other hand up my dress far enough to go back down under my tights and into my underwear. My tights were pulled up past my navel, so I managed to throw him off before he could actually touch my genitals skin to skin, but he had managed to grab me through my clothes. I later discovered that he had actually seriously hurt me- I was aching for a few days, and without going into too much detail, I realised I was bleeding after sex. People around me were on pretty high alert from the start of the night, trying to make sure I was safe and having fun, so upon following me out of the bathroom- The guy was almost instantly thrown out of the bar by door staff. But I was really shaken by what had happened. So, 5 hours after declaring I was one of the good trannys! I'm not some cringe overeager gender activist! I would respect women's spaces until I passed perfectly and deserved to enter them!. I started using the womens toilets. Because I didn't just *feel* threatened. I was almost raped. And you know what? nobody cared. After all the rhetoric about the evil transes invading the sacred spaces of women. Real women in the real world? they welcomed me there. On the one occasion some other girls clocked me as trans in there- I immediately started drunkenly apologizing- trying to explain what had happened earlier. One of them just said "shh. It's okay. You are one of us." They didn't care. Because I'm a girl. I really am.

[@tkmry158]

I’m so sorry about what happened to you. I’m so glad to hear you had people around you sticking up for you, who helped you recognise that you deserve the same safety and comfort as your friends 🏳️‍⚧️❤️

[@alim.9801]

That shit is so horrifying. I wish you didn't have to go through that. But I'm happy that that other girl was there to tell you you're welcome. That just sounds so traumatizing, I hope you're ok and staying safe 💜💜

[@Ttoby89]

Solidarity and strength to you

[@NukkuiskoHyvinVaiPois]

Terfs will claim till the end of the world that they're protecting women from assault and rape, while in practice they have zero care for anyone's safety but themselves. I'm glad you told your story, and I'm so happy for you for being your true self. I hope you only have good experiences from now on, though do know that if someone does get mad about you wanting to take a leak, it's on them and not on you.

[@lilliansaari6266]

I am horrified and so sorry to hear that you experienced this. There are some unbelievably cruel people in the world and no one deserves to have to go through this. I desperately wish that humans could just respects other humans not because of who or what they are but simply because they are human. Your stength and bravery to be who you truely are will always provail! Trans rights are human rights ✊❤❤❤

[@nousnesavonspas]

harry: * is assigned slytherin at parent-murder but knows he is a gryffindor * sorting hat: "valid"

[@SawyBoy]

TRUE

[@abigailfowler1843]

Unfortunately, that could be misconstrued as JK's bias and favoritism of Gryffindor, and her constant distaste of Slytherin. :'(

[@SawyBoy]

@@abigailfowler1843 ALSO FUCKING TRUEEEEE

[@mxar2074]

That's a great metaphor tbh

[@eoincampbell1584]

@@mxar2074 The books have almost no cohesive themes so it's easy to read almost any metaphor into them. I say this Not to lessen the strength or meaning of said metaphors to people but to give them full credit for creating them, no credit goes to the original author.

[@allychozik]

hearing someone say "lesbophobia is different from homophobia" made me feel so valid and i really wasn't expecting that from this video

[@Moonhermit-]

Kinda obvious when you think about it in retrospect. Traditional gender roles for men and women are already so different from each other, so it's no surprise that the hate for homosexuality is aimed at different aspects for different genders.

[@allychozik]

@@Moonhermit- totally true, I just always seem to find myself arguing with gay men trying to explain how lesbians do in fact face a different (but related) type of homophobia. hearing someone blatantly say "these things are different" was so cathartic for me

[@fuckamericanidiot]

@@Moonhermit- Yes, men are definitely more likely to be victims of violent homophobia than women.

[@ninab8187]

holy shit, i knew “terf is a slur” is a thing, but “being called racist is like calling a black person the n word to me” literally made me lose my mind

[@SilverMoon459]

RACIST !

[@GiacomoJimmi]

@@SilverMoon459 Hey! As a white cis-normative heteroid, I just want to call you out for using a word that has, for generations, been used a vile slur to oppress my people. Shame!

[@Fuji808]

@@nesquik1640 Zoom.

[@GiacomoJimmi]

​@@nesquik1640 That scoldqueen who takes the joke comment seriously.

[@GiacomoJimmi]

@@nesquik1640 Schrödinger's douchebag-that’s a good one; I had to look it up. For a joke comment that obvious? Well at least I thought it was. Such is state of the internet.

[@CatMomMarina]

"There are two things she can't stand: bigotry and the transsexuals!" is an extremely iconic line

[@themongoosedog]

It's an Austin Powers reference, if you're not familiar. In Goldmember, Michael Caine's character says it about "the Dutch."

[@rottnk9527]

@@themongoosedog There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.

[@xjhintonx]

No shade to you or anyone else and simply for the sake of spreading knowledge, this is actually an extremely old joke, probably from at least the middle of the last century.

[@xjhintonx]

The joke is way older, in fact. I saw it first in a Bloom County strip from the 80’s and I’m sure they stole it from someone else too. It’s a great one though. May every generation keep it going.

[@TheZerovirus1000]

That's just another way of saying "I'm not a bigot, but I can't stand transsexuals! 😡"

[@jasper_eris]

My anxiety while watching Natalie hold her phone in the tub: 📈📈📉📈📈📈📉📈📉📈📈📈📈

[@calm_cat]

Why is no one talking about this omg it hurt to watch her hold her phone so close to the water so casually

[@loreenasings]

Isn’t the iPhone 12 waterproof, why are so many people so concerned?

[@gunaodegaia9082]

@@loreenasings tpi there is no such thing as a water 'proof' phone yet, only water resistant. you can still potentially permanently damage the cameras, speakers, microphone and potentially even the battery depending on the kind of water exposure, rendering it unusable unless repaired at the shop

[@lenguise8645]

I want to see the iPhone 12 girgly test

[@uroghai3439]

I'm so glad I'm not alone. Seriously distressing watching that. Also with the book.

[@jakubmakalowski6428]

I feel cheated that no one has ever tried to trans me.

[@essentials7190]

Same tbh its a lot of work for one person

[@PalomaDreams17]

*That’s why I’m here buddy*

[@SpecialPersonExtreme]

It's not something we can do on demand, sorry. I don't even know when I'm doing it sometimes - like the other day I was in Lidl and this guy glanced at me and before I know it, he made a jump for pickles and crazily started running around asking where he can learn bass guitar..OTOH when I try and transgenderify others (such as by giving out free 'hand santizer' that totes isn't estrogel) to that neighbour (the one who wears a muumuu) it doesn't work at all.

[@ralpho4942]

The real trans-ing was the youtube comments you've made along the way

[@FreyaEinde]

I feel cheated...never got sold drugs never got taken in by a gender non-conforming cabal...what am I not doing right?

[@icantthinkofagoodname4715]

If terf is a slur then why haven’t I heard it in a Xbox party

[@StNick119]

If it's not a category for COD Slur Speedrunning, it ain't a slur Jack

[@iv7267]

This is the BEST way to discover if it is a slur.

[@rubyy.7374]

Because they’re too busy calling everyone fake and gay.

[@jonathanxavier2026]

Omfg as a cod player this made me fucking die of laughter. So true.

[@ZhangLee.]

brilliant

[@dented_riddles9967]

"What if I'm a Gryffindor trapped in a Hufflepuff's body?" Then you're Neville Longbottom, obviously.

[@nellfromhell7192]

UNDERRATED

[@raymond4218]

Great to see JKR including HtG representation in her books (RtG as well, in Hermione’s case) 🏳️‍⚧️✨

[@the_last_ballad]

Glad I'm not the only one to think of that

[@the_last_ballad]

​@@raymond4218 don't forget GtS(Peter Pettigrew), HtS(Cursed Child Cedric Diggory, went full mazi after one loss), RtS(Quirrel), and StG(Snape). No one tries to become a hufflepuff apparently...

[@kozy15x]

Vomit.

[@beestarjay]

The way Natalie holds a phone and a book that close to bathwater is proof she has no fear

[@criticalthinkingconcubus]

Or she just has an iPhone 11 like the boujee trash queen she is.

[@andrewkohler3707]

I'm more terrified of holding a book in a tub like that - even "the Infinite Jest of TERFery."

[@d.o.m.i.]

@@andrewkohler3707 even if it's terf propaganda, it's still hard cover so she must have paid good coin for it lmao

[@andrewkohler3707]

@@d.o.m.i. I know! And it looks like she bought it new.

[@felixthehuman]

@Bella Jones I know...at first I thought that book was a digital clock (when it was just sitting on the side of the tub) and I was really worried.

[@ledfishwalker9524]

the six love languages: - word of affirmation - quality time - physical touch - pouring milk over naked lifeless torso with headshot affixed to face - acts of service - receiving gifts

[@yallaredisgusting287]

The best comment

[@vintheguy]

im am hijacking this thread to ask what is the name of the song that played at 1:15:23 sorry in advance

[@apocalyptosoldier5527]

@@vintheguy I've found songs by holding my headphones up to my phone and using shazam. If you're playing the video on your phone shazam seems to pick it up as well

[@vintheguy]

@@apocalyptosoldier5527 I know what shazam is

[@joelleblanc8670]

This was a weird and creepy comment... UNTILL I got to the part about the Daniel mannequin LOL

[@cogito919]

“When you reduce bigotry to a caricature of pure hatred, you obscure that bigotry is a deeply human problem. You know sometimes people criticize me for ‘empathizing with bigots.’ But I believe that understanding bigots is the best defense against becoming one yourself. Because when you dehumanize the villains, you become unable to recognize the villain within.” -Natalie Wynn Brilliant line.

[@jasminehouston-burns1691]

Yeah, but saying gender is biological is actually not bigotry.

[@conancat]

@@jasminehouston-burns1691 gender is a social construct lol, like this ship sailed so damn long ago, continuous denial of this fact makes you a bigot. I don't know why you people are so damn obsessed with people's genitals that you gotta be guessing what are people's genitals whenever you see a person. That's the only justification that y'all "gender is biological" people give. Creep.

[@jasminehouston-burns1691]

@@conancat No ship has sailed anywhere and the only people obsessed with genitals are the ones getting them cut up and cut off.

[@sylvest_art7688]

@@jasminehouston-burns1691 please actually watch the video you are commenting on. If you would listen to some trans people for a little you might actually understand what it means

[@sylvest_art7688]

@@jasminehouston-burns1691 I’m not interested in debating but if you’re are not willing to listen to the arguments presented here I dont know why you then expect anyone to listen to you either

[@KenyaResendez-SierraGuinnMS]

I still vehemently remember that in 5th grade, I went to the bathroom and I was wearing boyish looking sneakers. Since I had feet bigger than most girls my age, that's all that would fit. One of the teachers entered after me, looked at my shoes from outside of the stall, and started shouting at me to get out. I rushed to get out and once she saw me face-to-face, all she mustered was a surprised 'oh!' when I got out. Not one apology. This experience always comes to my mind when I think of TERFs because they are the same women who claim hyper-femininity is a sexist aesthetic for transgender women to go after; meanwhile, they police and treat women who don't fit the demure standard like animals.

[@chaoticdetectivepeach]

Also it's literally shoes lmao, like there are so many reasons that any adult aged person should immediately question before screaming at a child. Maybe you just like that design, or maybe you have an older brother, and you're poor so you just got his hand me downs, or maybe you wrecked your shoes and had to borrow a pair, or maybe you were running late and just grabbed the first pair on the rack before running out the door, either way no 5th grader is in the bathrooms creepin on people, so even if you were entirely a dude, like not even trans, a full cis dude, in the women's restroom, who tf cares, maybe all the stalls in the men's room were full and it was an emergency, or maybe you were distracted and went into the wrong one. Kids have done dumber things.

[@kathleencove]

As a size 9.5 / 10 (US) shoe woman…. This hits deep. I’ve been made fun of for my feet my whole fricken life.

[@kathleencove]

@@chaoticdetectivepeach Not to mention she was alone, clearly sitting on the toilet- you can tell from where a person’s shoes are and whether other shoes are in the same stall. The fact that clearly nothing untoward was happening, simple a toilet being used, means the adult woman KNEW she would be harassing a person currently sitting on a toilet. That would still be unacceptable even if it was a young boy. You can wait until they’re out of the bathroom and question them. Holy cow.

[@kathleencove]

@@chaoticdetectivepeach No adult has a right to bust down a door when they know a child’s pants are down, regardless of the gender of the child. That is borderline sexual abuse.

[@chaoticdetectivepeach]

@@kathleencove That too! It's obvious to anybody with even sub-brick intelligence, that they're not doing anything except using the restroom. Also first of all from the original comment, it seems like the teacher just yelled alot. But if they did, kick in the door, I'd say, it qualifies as full SA not just borderline, because presumably that adult _knew_ d*mn well that that there was a kid who was indisposed in there, and they barged in anyways. No adult should be accosting children in the bathroom at all regardless of intentions.

[@oswaldwrites4959]

I am constantly blown away by Natalie's ability both to extend empathy and hold people accountable without compromising either. It's something we could all benefit from these days, I think

[@sardonic3348]

This is what I was going to say. She did a wonderful job of both showing empathy and understanding, while also calling out and condemning bad behavior without compromising. Its something that's very difficult to do well.

[@JohnDoe-wx2oo]

@@sardonic3348 SJWs of all types should be taking notes. Showing empathy and compassion gets people to listen.

[@elliott8175]

Yeah, it's something that I feel I could really learn from - there's actually a tonne of great insights, like the use of abstraction as a medium to synthesise theoretical problems that don't actually correspond to any real-world problems.

[@CharlieTalk]

Nah. She rambles on philosophically without addressing real data. Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent official count of transgender prisoners): 76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9% 125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3% 13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8%

[@johanhellstrand9324]

​@@CharlieTalk Thank you, CharlieTalk, for giving her "youtubers can't read" joke an extra layer of comedy. Now finish your homework, there is clearly 5 pages left for you to read of that 6 page summary.

[@LindsayEllisVids]

WELL, I guess I'll have to research this

[@suides4810]

First

[@Liam_Mellon]

Please do!

[@tinycat]

hey you guys are great

[@MissPoplarLeaf]

Yes please!!

[@grandmabea6471]

Oh please do!

[@dead_yami]

The magic hat almost put Harry in Slytherin until he whined ‘not slytherin not slytherin’ and the hat said ‘fine jfc kid’ Things are not so black and white JOANNE

[@albavergaz6985]

Hahahahahahha

[@reggiemorel4554]

Yea, but she whimped out of that dialogue when she attributed his near placement in Slytherin with him having a lil Voldy inside him :(

[@dead_yami]

@@reggiemorel4554 I think Harry’s dad is Salazar Slytherin?

[@tatehildyard5332]

And in the sequel play which is...”Eh, whatever”, the plot is Harry’s son being forcibly lumped into a social category he does not feel suits him and it begins a cycle of resentment, bullying and self loathing.

[@Rozilla]

THANK YOU!

[@fiftyfat]

It might be a hot take but I disagree with Nathalie at 34:15... I wouldn't say she redistributed the rose petals, she rather increased the entropy of the bath by spreading the rose petals (rose petals representing energy, obviously) going from a heterogeneous distribution to an homogeneous one, where in the end she won't be able to extract any work from those petals anymore, forcing me to not do any work and just binge watch her videos.

[@zaldrizez]

this could be a paper, write it down

[@avadarkness666]

The 'Bathroom Problem' hit me hard. I'm a cisgender dark skinned Black woman with a tall athletic build. I've often been questioned, intimidated and outright refused entry to women's bathrooms. While my hair length may change- from shaved head to down-to-my-ass wig- I'm ALWAYS very femme and present all the traditionally female associated signifiers - long nails, make-up, big tits, dresses etc. And yet I am often 'accused' of 'just being a boy in a dress', or 'a tran*y or a drag queen. All of which is grouped as "Not a REAL Woman" It's so fucked up that gender is so heavily policed! I've been physically blocked from entering a woman's bathroom by a security guard because he didn't think I was a 'Real' woman. So obviously, I support trans women and trans men and enbies for the right to go pee. Long story short, I'm not trans or enbie but I understand the struggle of just being a human that has to pee sometimes. Trans rights are human rights. Civil rights are human rights. And btw I'm all about the Trans Liberation Now slogan.

[@stbananastein]

Damn, that sucks. Who gets off on denying people entry to the bathroom? I'm sorry you've been gender policed while just trying to go about your business.

[@KaraOfTheSea]

Didn't happen to me, but I had a weird bathroom situation at work. I was going in the bathroom, and a customer approached me to tell me there was "a man" in the bathroom, while pointing at a stall. The "man" was a cis gender woman with a deeper voice. (It was one of my coworkers). While she was going on about how we shouldn't let men in the bathroom, my trans gendered coworker came out of the other stall, washed her hands and walked out. Like lady... you don't know who is trans and who is not, so why does that even matter to you?

[@EphemeralTao]

@@stbananastein It's not just gender-policing. Mainstream culture in the US (assuming the OP is in the US) also has a long history of treating Black women as inherently and profoundly unattractive; and part of that narrative involved portraying them as "unfeminine". Depicting feminine-presenting Black women as "a man in a dress" or otherwise unattractively "masculine" is a common insult in much of the country; and can be seen in the (mostly) conservative attacks on women like Michelle Obama and Serena Williams. And it's not just the US; the racist trope is also distinctly present in most Anglosphere countries, like the UK and Europe. This goes well beyond transphobia, and into far older tropes rooted in white supremacism.

[@avadarkness666]

@@EphemeralTao thank you so much for elaborating on this. My post was already pretty long so I just described my physical appearance. And yes, I am in the USA.

[@stbananastein]

@@EphemeralTao Oh yeah, absolute facts! I was just responding in particular to what OP discussed in her comment, but the added larger context is damned important. The issue goes waaaay beyond bathroom politics

[@sinkpig]

my mom once told me that since i chose a doll instead of a truck when i was two, i cant be a trans man. Thats literally her excuse lmao

[@LimeyLassen]

People who think collecting dolls is feminine were born before the anime invasion lmao

[@mechasartre3694]

Cause the last thing we want is active fathers!

[@lausenteternidad]

I liked the idea of my Action Man eventually leaving all the war against monsters and the lego destruction behind, settling up with a Stacy and having a gigantic baby together.

[@gabeernstt]

@@laurafulton7023 ok troll

[@thehuman2cs715]

bruh that's the worst reason for thinking someone isn't trans I've ever heard

[@robbingcars9140]

A teacher in high school taught me that “evil is the corruption of good,” not the opposite of good. They think they’re doing a good thing, when in reality they’re harming people

[@jp9707]

That's really smart, I'm going to try to remember that one

[@ayesha36]

See also: the banality of evil.

[@dragonslair951167]

Well, sometimes people do engage in entirely selfish acts with entirely selfish motives, but they often only acknowledge that after some serious introspection. I think a lot of the time, people work the other way around; they have a bad/selfish motive for doing bad/selfish things, and they look for some sort of justification to excuse it.

[@fuckamericanidiot]

@@dragonslair951167 Not all selfish acts are evil so that's not a good analogy. Some are just....selfish.

[@dragonslair951167]

@@fuckamericanidiot Even if that was true, I don't see how that really undermines my analogy at all.

[@bunnysupreme74]

Being amazed at how this amazing video also has Chinese subtitles, let me say: The Chinese transliteration of Natalie, 娜塔莉, has 娜 which means graceful, elegant and delicate and 莉 which means sweet and pretty. All qualities that Natalie has ❤

[@psychic_beth]

what's the middle character then?

[@bunnysupreme74]

@@psychic_beth it means pagoda or tower, and is often used as transliteration of the "ta" sound when translating from other languages, e.g. Names, place names, etc.

[@cyclicozone2072]

Natalie is a man 😂

[@DevotedPlacebo]

Awe, this is so cool and heart warming! Thank you for sharing that!

[@cyclicozone2072]

He’s a man

[@harrisonfackrell]

"I have a friend who struggles with same-sex attraction." _Screams internally in ex-Mormon_

[@AlineMayagoitia]

not any moremon

[@Cobalt985]

Another confirmed homosexual checking in! ;)

[@korijametyvm]

@Melody Ackerman L I’ll

[@mallorymitton8822]

I screamed externally.

[@isaacroot5459]

LITERALLY I JUMPED WHEN SHE SAID THAT SHDJDJSJSJ

[@lowriemouat]

Buffalo Bill is a trender is by far the hottest take Natalie has had.

[@hahathatsgood]

"Life is too short for metaphysics." Ludwig Wittgenstein: Gay Icon

[@meanberryy]

Remember when everyone including her best friends riduculed Hermione for wanting to end (elf) slavery and then rowling started hint that Hermione was black all along. So a black girl literally gets riduculed for being agaist slavery by her best friends. How did we not see these problems earlier is beyond me.

[@sandrashane677]

Are you aware that adults are dressing in sexual attire and dancing sexually in front of little children at drag shows all over America?

[@chaoticdetectivepeach]

We were children who didn't know any better, I went back and reread those books as an adult, and with the adult lens that shit really sticks out, but children, (especially in America) are barely even taught what slavery is, we don't teach history in a way that is accurate. For example, I went to school in California and in fourth grade they took us on a field trip to the California missions, and told us all about how the Christians came over and did all this good, teaching the "ignorant natives" how to read and write. Which is so f*cked looking back, cuz they brought children to a monument of religious violence and told us that the genocide committed there was a good and necessary thing. Literally might as well have brought us to Auschwitz and told us "the Nazis did a ton of good teaching the Jewish people to work hard." I vividly remember being told I'd grow up to be a worthless loser by one of the parents on that trip, cuz I said sh*t, and I honestly wish I had caught how silly that was in the moment.

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

​@@chaoticdetectivepeach Learning about slavery is a fundamental part of learning about American history, and is taught in virtually every 8th grade history class in America. You are really telling on yourself and just how exceptionally racist your upbringing was when you say stuff like "Americans don't learn what slavery is growing up." My history textbook had pictures of a former slave whose entire back was covered in scars from getting whipped so much. I learned that slaves had to pick over 30 pounds of cotten PER DAY. My history textbook had pictures of starving concentration camp prisoners and ditches filled with bodies from World War 2. You had to have had an exceptionally racist and sheltered upbringing to not see and learn about these things around the time you hit puberty.

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

​@@chaoticdetectivepeach lmfao I just got the part where you literally admit that you were raised by a bunch of insanely racist Californians who openly teach white supremacist historical revisionism. I bet you're the type of person who tut tuts about how much better you are than "those darn racist southerners." I spent my whole life in Louisiana and clearly learned more about slavery and colonialism in public school than you have in your entire life.

[@hawleyolsen170]

@@Abcdefg-tf7cu Chaotic Detective Peach isn't telling on themself. They are telling on their school system, the curriculum, and the teachers. They were a child and weren't responsible for the racism around them or the degree to which they were sheltered. You sound upset with them, and I can't figure out what you think they've done wrong here. Should they not be reporting that they and all their peers were furnished with a skewed and deeply inadequate education? Also, sounds like the two of you were in 8th grade in different decades. You'd be surprised how different your education was from the generations that went through your school system before you. It's very possible Detective Peach got the standard degree of racism and shelteredness that the education system was serving up at the time.

[@alfiehoward6565]

Study whatever you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Perform any legal magic you're capable of. Live your best life regardless of your parentage. But force wizards out of their jobs for stating that magical ability is inheritable? #IStandWithSalazar

[@yaiyasmin]

This comment is amazing!

[@allyli1718]

Was Salazar a blood purist? I thought the Founders were violent but not bigoted. Amazing analogy btw!

[@jasminetea6161]

@@allyli1718 Yes, IIRC it was the whole reason they split up into different houses and he created the Chamber of Secrets.

[@TobyRossi]

@@allyli1718 That's why Salazar put a monster in the sewers of the castle so it could eat muggleborn children.

[@jmann6130]

@@allyli1718 Salazar technically didn’t mention blood purity but claimed Muggle borns couldn’t be trusted with magic witch at the time witch burnings were happening in Europe so his fear wasn’t unfounded however his basilisk scheme certainly proves he wasn’t a sane dude so it’s no wonder his decedents turned into inbred monsters!

[@Bl4ckDr4co]

My grandmother literally told me she thought that people were "persuaded" to be gay. As if someone could persuade me to feel anxiety throughout my entire adolescence at the fear of being ostracized and kicked out of my Christian family. They'd have to be pretty persuasive.

[@SorrySorrySorry]

The lack of empathy is astounding; they never seem to equate same sex attraction with their own perspective on attraction... Like Grandma, are you telling me you know you could be convinced to willingly and eagerly dive face-first into pussy after a few conversations and two weeks at summer camp?

[@MissPoplarLeaf]

Same with my mom. She idolizes this one pop star, she's a huge fan of him, and then when he came out as gay and even said he's known he's gay since he was young, she was like "I don't think he's actually gay, he's been pressured to be gay because he's so pretty"... I was just flabbergasted

[@HN-kr1nf]

@@MissPoplarLeaf is it ok if i ask who the pop star in question is?

[@pansepot1490]

@@HN-kr1nf My guess would be Ricky Martin.

[@davidemura4444]

I mean, they really make one hell of a case /s

[@archer1949]

I remember the “Bathroom wars” being a thing focused on cis homosexuals when I was a kid in the 80’s.

[@drawingsticks5333]

Also about lockers and showering in gyms. I always thought there was some element of lesbophobia in the "keep trans woman out of female bathrooms" discourse, since I heard the same things about lesbians in locker room. "I don't wanna change with her, she's a gross lesbian who will assault me!" shut the fuck up, Karen.

[@RicardoMoralesMassin]

And anti-abortion talking points are exactly the same as anti-contraception talking points. I'm a little surprised they dont call it sOcIaLisM too.

[@morganday3471]

also for arguments against desegregation - segregated bathrooms were very important to white ppl

[@lcardwell640]

@@morganday3471 Same tired script over and over again

[@RicardoMoralesMassin]

@@morganday3471 note to self: bigots feel their most vulnerable while taking a crap.

[@QBG]

It's very disappointing that in the years since this video was uploaded, J.K. Rowling has doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on her bigotry.

[@Chaeley]

Even more disappointing that public opinion is starting to sway back in her direction. The Hogwarts Legacy fallout has done *so much damage*, and now she's successfully playing the victim on her personal podcast. It's gross to watch even liberal leftists starting to go, "Okay, hey now, let's not get TOO judgy here." It's just so frustrating.

[@RM-xr8lq]

​@@Chaeley well there were 4chan posts about attacking/doxxing hogwarts legacy streamers to turn public opinion against the boycott this game has had one of the most successful astroturfing campaigns meant to increase sales from reactionaries, and i am guessing there will be more games marketed specifically through the lenses of "the other side dont like it/own the libs" with how well it worked

[@francisco8345]

That's what you get for trying to make a person change her views out of shame, hate, name calling and extreme moral judgment. Its like the worst way to challenge individuals to reevaluate their ideas with an open mind. When people feel attacked and judged for something they honestly believe what do expect to happen? They double down on those beliefs.

[@lizziebkennedy7505]

Yes, she’s become unrecognisable.

[@skyboxAngel]

@@francisco8345 "that's what you get"?? dude, no. firstly, just to be clear, i do not think that people sending jkr abuse or death threats is in any way acceptable behavior. i agree with you on that. but no one has *made* jkr do anything. her bigoted beliefs and actions are her own. it also ignores the many, many, MANY trans people and allies who have tried to reach out to her peacefully, respectfully, and in good faith. sometimes bigoted people across the aisle just refuse to be reached, and that's not anyone's fault but theirs.

[@LPempty]

Isn’t Harry Potter literally about a Slytherin trapped in a Gryffindor’s body?

[@kekedarius4957]

Griffindor? I hardly know 'r.

[@fawn8347]

Possibly? I think it's the other way around though. "Not Slytherin? Well, if you're sure, better be... Gryffindor"

[@Ninchennase]

It's more about a nonbinary boy being forced to choose and afraid to be forced into the more stigmatized role, so the Sorting Hat put him into the other one. ;)

[@michaelreppenhagen736]

Be careful, Joanne might sue your ass if you try to create headcanons about HEr CrEaTiOnS.

[@pheela]

Ninchennase uh no harry was always 100% griffindor, JKR has confirmed the sorting hat sensed voldemort's soul inside harry and that's why

[@karenmacdonald6190]

I’m a single mom and I have a special needs son. In the olden days when we still went out in public I had to take him to the women’s bathroom with me. People minded their own business seeing my son in the bathroom. It’s a place to pee, not a sacred female space.

[@mississipi1103]

Yes, it's not like there is a bouncer

[@TheStraightGod]

To be fair, it made me uncomfortable when my mom did that as a boy.

[@FreyaEinde]

I've seen single dad's take their daughters to the lady's restroom too. It nbd

[@NatsumiTakanawa]

@@TheStraightGod - Understandable, as I went through the same thing LOL. But our experiences with that are totally different. We’re uncomfortable because we as boys feel we don’t belong there, so we think of it as “ew yucky girl’s bathroom”.

[@jacquelinescott2200]

@@TheStraightGod Now I'm over here wondering if the fact that I never had problem with it was an early sign that I was trans.

[@DoubleThinkTwice]

"I redistributed the petals" was the most Marie Antoinette thing you have ever done 😂

[@arnavbhagwat4232]

Nah...nothing can beat the 'jewel bath' from the opulence video...

[@DoubleThinkTwice]

@@arnavbhagwat4232 The jewel bath was really something, but I really loved this casual handwaving of the class struggle. "If they don't have soap, let them use milk and rose petals. There, I redistributed the rose petals" 😂 I had to pause to finish giggling

[@ConFamGaming]

I cant believe this is the first ContraPoints video ive ever seen. I hope they're all this good. I was big nerd in highschool like captain of the debate team , and the section about reframing the conversation to trans liberation got me so excited. That is such a good way to focus a conversation on what is actually important instead of getting distracted by the bullshit.

[@cyrollan]

She kicks ass. Watch all the videos, especially the newer one about JKR

[@jayylad38]

they're all phenomenal

[@isoldemaisol3709]

They're all amazing, I'd say this one is more "middle of the road" which should tell you how good her best work is.

[@zbsfm]

They’re all this good. Check out “the hunger”, that’s a personal favorite of mine

[@brentwalker8596]

Someone needs to try it on Matt Walsh.

[@andrea7mares]

McGonagall came to me in a dream and said "you made me a cat, but you can't accept a catgirl??"

[@coolnifte]

Brilliant

[@saudiarabianman4196]

I have a question why you hypocrites radical leftists think gay marriage is okay but cousin marriage is NOT okay?? If a man loves his FEMALE cousin, it’s okay to marry her. Love is love

[@dynamostan3888]

@@saudiarabianman4196 nah fook that m8 that man should marry his MALE cousin or get put in the antifa corporation canceltration camps

[@saudiarabianman4196]

@@dynamostan3888 you can’t address my point seriously

[@genieglasslamp5028]

@@saudiarabianman4196 Because your stupid question doesnt deserve any.

[@rosecastelao6490]

"You're not less of a bigot because your bigotry has a tragic backstory. In fact, bigotry often has a tragic backstory." Omg, Natalie! ❤️

[@danthelambboy]

Natalie is projecting

[@mothh7600]

@@danthelambboy how?

[@mothh7600]

@@audriacostello6648 Natalie is a woman

[@mothh7600]

@@audriacostello6648 still don't understand how "he's" a dude? What makes you think that?

[@audriacostello6648]

@@mothh7600 a man is what natalie is.

[@jaymesl7360]

Hi, im ab out half way done with this video and uhh im crying a bit. I'm a trans man, and I've honestly never heard anyone defend or talk about the issues of trans men like they were so important. especially not someone with a platform. Especially calling out the fact that our issues aren't spoken about and that that's a problem. And then you go and grab at the heart of the transphobia i've experienced, and you've voiced it, and i feel less like i'm insane for throwing myself at the wall and screaming that something is wrong here and we are suffering. I dont really know what to say. Thank you.

[@incredibleWatty]

I just want to say I'm hearing you, Jaymes.

[@wonderwoman5528]

You have a lot of allies and supporters 🤝🤝🤝

[@elkpapa]

@@incredibleWatty SAME!!! I was like, oh fuck, someone actually is paying attention to this shit outside our tiny microcosm of trans male experience?? What?? I was floored that a trans woman with this kind of platform actually gave enough of a shit to hold space for us, I had no idea that I was yearning for this kind of public recognition since so little of public trans discourse even acknowledges trans men and recognizes our struggles.

[@renatocorvaro6924]

I hear you friend. I don't know that I can help, but at least I can hear.

[@mcd08]

❤❤❤

[@BroeyDeschanel]

Then Natalie stretched her hand over the bathwater, redistributed the petals, and led us on the path towards a socialist utopia. The power she has :'(

[@user-mb9nm7bq5e]

Broey you’re great! Please talk about degrssi

[@cameroncorp]

Woah it's Broey deschanel

[@RayneArt]

I love how you call her Joanne. It's like calling Voldemort Tom.

[@HeyNonyNonymous]

More like calling bs on a "feminist" writer who, so far, never published a novel under her given female name and has zero female protagonists.

[@mikakick7180]

@@HeyNonyNonymous exactly, shes calling out jk as a person just like dumbledore did with voldy. also its so strange how radfems are so quick to sheild jk when she hasn't done anything for women...... as much as i love the harry potter series, i hate how jk followed every annoyin female charcter trope and ON TOP OF THAT clearly hasn't changed with her recent work. note: i love harry potter,, the movies have such a special place in my heart but jk is absolutely foul across every millimeter of that "essay" she wrote.

[@Telimency]

​@@HeyNonyNonymous this is a bullshit argument, JKR is obnoxious and wrong, but you can absolutely be feminist if all your books have a male protagonist. You can even have dogs as characters without obligation to throw away your humanity. mindblowing

[@HeyNonyNonymous]

@@Telimency Sure, if all your protagonists are male you can be a faminist. But if all your protagonists are male, most of your female characters fall into female-character tropes, some are ridiculed for being too fat or too manly, you publish all of your works under a gender-nuetral/male pen names despite being one of the most celebrated writers in the world, you exclude transgender women from womenhood because they're just not faminin enough for you, none of your extensive charity works target issues that are spesific to women and you do all that in the 21st century? Nope. You are a fake faminist.

[@L0LWTF1337]

I like JK. Cause she's a joke.

[@Lee-dm7xm]

“How do you know you’re a real woman, Amber?” I don’t, I’m a butch lesbian and it’s a hard existence out here with this Real Housewives of America ass name, thank you.

[@yorukaadams940]

Amber Liu: 💃💃💃

[@yorukaadams940]

The Real Housewification of butch women is real.

[@lord6617]

Isn't amber that pretty gold colored gem that you have to dig through a bunch of lung choking coal to find and has million year old insects and dinosaurs trapped in it? Sounds like a pretty rough cut awesome butch lesbian name :P

[@runklrgurlexe]

Same...

[@camillefaith2005]

My best friend is a butch girl named Lily. Like is that a femme ass name or what. 😂

[@ahmadmahmoud3723]

It’s sad that after 2 years this is still so current 😢 thanks for being smart, funny and explain it all perfectly.

[@EL-ISS]

"what if I'm a Griffyndor trapped in a Hufflepuff's body?" The funny thing about this is it actually happened in the books when Harry was sorted, he was going to get Slytherin but felt that he truly belonged in Griffyndor. The sheer irony of this kills me 😂 💀 like she literally wrote the basis of trans people but still refuses to believe it.

[@mathieuleader8601]

clever joke to Slytherin in this video

[@WhiteScorpio2]

@@mathieuleader8601 Hello, I'm the pun police. Put your hands behind your back and don't make sudden movements.

[@charlesc.r.9324]

also dumbledore literally said "you know, sometimes i think we sort too soon."

[@mathieuleader8601]

@@charlesc.r.9324 sort end of the shtick

[@SerenityM54L2SAM5L5N1]

You can't compare different homes that every person technically fits in, with people changing their body structure, going against biology and living a lifestyle that from a health- and scientific perspective (until political interest groups hijacked the scene) is seen as unhealthy.

[@johnh9723]

My fourteen year old daughter got me to watch this and am very glad I did. Was very enlightening and challenged some poorly thought ideas I had.. Thank you ... Also, Dark and Stormy’s are delicious.. Thank you for that enlightenment as well ... Cheers

[@wanderingarielle4796]

Very wholesome!

[@magical571]

Is this for real? wish it were anyone in my family.

[@cay924]

Wtf. My mom acts like I'm telling her to sacrifice her soul to satan just to read a simple article on lgbt topics. Good on you, though. Wish more parents were that open minded

[@BKSF1]

thanks from all of us here john

[@RRonco]

"Came for the education, stayed for the recipes!"

[@andregordon2599]

I really, really appreciate that you never once shied away from the fact that the stuff JK has said is inexcusable, but also treated her like a human being at the same time. That is so important and relevant.

[@aquestionabletaryn]

Natalie didn’t that bath get like..... really cold

[@stbananastein]

I was thinking the same thing. I kept wondering if she stopped recording to partially drain it and add more hot water 😋

[@QuikVidGuy]

Life is cold, Taryn

[@frapippo420]

@@stbananastein I refuse to believe she didn't.

[@AM-rb4ps]

she was clearly in there for hours considering the *sun literally rose through the process of all the takes*

[@angelinanicholaou2914]

I mean.. She literally could have have an electric kettle near by and added boiling water to maintain the temperature 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@hypotheticaltapeworm]

Cancel culture is when Joanne can't transphobic.

[@Breerox108]

Cancel culture is when you are worth $670 million and win a BBC Writing Award

[@Charlie-vf8hw]

joanne being prevented from transphobising is literally 1984

[@BIONICLECLAYPOKEMON]

@I’m Too Kind for This Nonsense _soooo hard 😭😭_

[@deepstariaenigmatica2601]

how are these comments from 12 hours ago

[@stupidass69420]

Cancel cuktyeue is when no mean 😡😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@philosophyfraillon9362]

"What's your favourite movie?" "JK Rowling" "Oh Harry Potter?" "..."

[@fossilfighters101]

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[@valawee]

Is that a movie....? what is the joke 😅

[@babydollface]

@@valawee This video is the length of a movie

[@MissPoplarLeaf]

@@valawee the joke is that this video is named "JK Rowling", and the person speaking means that their favorite movie is this video, but the other person thinks they means Harry Potter because they don't know about this video

[@mizel101]

un film de ContraPOINTS

[@crestren5996]

Its nice to rewatch this video for no particular reason whatsoever and theres no coincidental timing.

[@jaredknockout91]

Jordan Peterson is pissed you poured almond milk on another man

[@minnumseerrund]

The old male must make way for the young stud who shall receiveth the milke. Thus is the society of lobsters.

[@calamitynatalie8590]

@@minnumseerrund 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@suides4810]

When you wake up from coma and your wifu has moved on 😭

[@l.h.8151]

Danny is just the newest member of the polycule, don't worry about it

[@GlorianaLovejoy]

"It's not about the milk, it's about loyalty and distinction" -JP

[@heathercameron1485]

Just a minor correction about Maya: she actually wasn't fired. Her contract had expired and her employer chose not to renew it, which they are entitled to do for any reason. Just another twist of the truth from Joanne.

[@saudiarabianman4196]

I have a question why you hypocrites radical leftists think gay marriage is okay but cousin marriage is NOT okay?? If a man loves his FEMALE cousin, it’s okay to marry her

[@Tessa_Gr]

weird how she keeps twisting the truth to fit her narrative, almost like she thinks that she has to do this to get more people on her side bc it's actually all bullshit that she says

[@noctsuke]

@@saudiarabianman4196 are u ok there mate lmao

[@mothgoth0]

@@saudiarabianman4196 what is wrong with you lmao

[@evelynr8251]

@@saudiarabianman4196 This is bait, no one would say anything so stupid and think it is all right

[@MaxRenke]

I was today years old when I learned that "J" in "JK" is Joanne. Also, Contra is a queen.

[@Moonhermit-]

And the K stands for Kantstandthetrans.

[@Sl1mch1ckens]

@@Moonhermit- the k is actually completely made up. Wanna know a nice ironic part since shes ya'kno so # for the women... she put the K in because apparently JK rowling sounded more manly than J rowling. Shes spent her whole career tryimg to be more masc appearing to sell more books idk you would think since shes such the femimist she maybe would have tried to fight back agaimst this im really startimg to think shes not a femimist at all and just hates the trans phaha.

[@Moonhermit-]

@@Sl1mch1ckens Oh I know, I just like filling in the blank myself.

[@iankellymorris]

@@Sl1mch1ckens I mean, isn't that more of an ‘internalized oppression’ thing, or maybe a ‘recognizing how fucked up the world is and feeling powerless in the face of the patriarchy’ thing?

[@Sl1mch1ckens]

@@iankellymorris i dont really care what is, just pointing out the irony that she has been given multipul chances in her career to take an actual stand against sexism and she didnt but has chosen to die on the hill "i hate the trans because i care about women" pretty sure she even commented on how she cant freely tslk about her sexism if trans women are counted as women because you know all people ask whats in your pants before they are sexist.

[@terraformthesun2896]

“Hello, operator, can you get me Alanis Morissette? I would like to report another incident.” Underrated line

[@gloimxenu]

Please explain it to my dumb ass I call head

[@fossilfighters101]

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[@severalgecko]

@@gloimxenu listen to her song Ironic, it should clear things up!

[@Billie_Stamp]

I lol loud

[@gloimxenu]

@@severalgecko thanks

[@FootlessJo]

Your videos are so ridiculously articulate, informative, and thought-provoking. Thank you so much! 💜

[@luisdanielmoreno5717]

You wrote the comment I wanted to post

[@aartianand1227]

No matter how easily refuted some of her tweets and sentiments were, this is the response of empathy and information the Internet and JKR deserved. Thank you so much for taking the time and making the effort to actually dive into the points, engage with the subject, and foster peace. I hope you do not receive abuse for doing so but that’s probably naive. Cheers, you’re awesome and so is your St. Vodberry 🥂

[@ToyKeeper]

With great power (or influence) comes great responsibility. If Rowling wants to be treated like just another person, like her actions don't cause harm on a massive scale, she needs to give up her power and influence. As long as she has global influence, she will rightfully be held to a higher standard than someone's bigoted drunken uncle. But if she's not willing to give up power, she needs to learn how to behave.

[@NotADood]

What thoughts were provoked exactly?

[@andrewkohler3707]

@@NotADood Where to begin? Different manifestations of bigotry; how trauma can have ugly and harmful manifestations, including bigotry, and the degree to which we should have compassion in these painful cases; Daniel Radcliffe as a mannequin; transphobic cultural tropes over the decades; the importance of not othering bigotry lest one ignore "the monster within"; the best things to put in a bath; problems with "cancelling"; why do people feel the need for cheesy orchestrations of Schubert songs; why do villains in movies like the Goldberg Variations; how are Anthony Hopkins and Jodie Foster so awesome; is Hannibal Lecter truscum - the list goes on, my dear.

[@00Clank]

This is absolutely not the weirdest depiction of Daniel Radcliffe I’ve seen.

[@Archflip]

You just reminded me of Swiss Army Man. Which is a movie that might interest you if you haven't seen it before.

[@HN-kr1nf]

@@Archflip oh dear fuck why would you remind me of this

[@torb-no]

Best movies he’s been in!

[@00Clank]

@@Archflip Oh it is absolutely one of the things I am referring to. For those unaware though, Go in blind, and be confounded.

[@leiram8833]

But the best by far.

[@desrepeerc206]

"It's a limitation of human empathy that sometimes when we're trying to understand what someone else is feeling, the best we can do is to project our feelings onto them." Wonderful quote.

[@AbhNormal]

41:33 “It’s a limitation of human empathy that sometimes when we’re trying to understand what someone else is feeling, the best we can do is project our feelings onto them.” Holy shit. It wasn’t until you said this that I truly understood how often I’ve done this in the past. Thank you so much Natalie. I’ll try to be a better person from now on.

[@LostintheTwilightZone]

We all do it to some extent. But, if you are aware of your thoughts/feelings, you can step back and ask yourself some questions. Why did I say that? What made me feel this way? Why did I react in such a way? What would have a more appropriate reaction? Self reflection can help us become better people. We will never perfect, but trying to always be better is the thing we should all do. Unfortunately, too many like Rowling and Maya have little to no self reflection going on. They just assume that their initial reaction to everything is the correct one!! And therefore blame some one else for their hate, fear, etc.

[@justcomments]

It’s a natural step in sympathising so I wouldn’t stop yourself from thinking that way. But follow up questions are allowed! You can always ask: “You’re telling me about X. I have experience of Y, is it like that?” And the person you’re conversing with can elaborate. And they may say “Y is totally different - you’re never going to understand!” This is fine: at least you both know now that you’re trying to listen.

[@percabethlumity]

@@justcomments Yeah, I agree with this. There are a lot of experiences that are somewhat similar, and often the easiest way to empathize does have to be based on your own experiences. However, we also have to acknowledge that our experiences are just that, our own experiences. Different people have different experience, and although there may be similarity there is always going to be difference, so we should listen to the person speaking when they say their experiences isn't the same.

[@AmandaScarcella]

"When you reduce bigotry to a caricature of pure hatred, you obscure that bigotry is a deeply human problem. Sometimes people criticize me for empathizing with bigots, but I believe that understanding bigots is the best defense against becoming one yourself. Because when you dehumanize the villains, you become unable to recognize the villain within." NATALIE FOR PRESIDENT.

[@gabi2603]

Incredibly relevant, I think, is the work of Marra Gad, author of "The Color of Love"

[@useroffline9999]

@@slevinchannel7589 what????

[@williansnobre]

Just wanted to point out how good that particular part of her video was, but since you already did, here's my thumbs up. Also, wow, it didn't take long for a tangent to show up. Polygamy propaganda and randomization of partners? What?

[@GloriousGobby]

@@slevinchannel7589 lmao good argument

[@Askytrill]

@Amanda Scarcella, for a moment I thought you were someone else with the last name "Scarcella" who was commenting!

[@theuntamedleo]

LMAO. No one 'persuaded' me to transition. I stick that needle in my thigh every Thursday myself with a smile on my face and anticipation in my soul for the day my beard is as full as my heart, and I embark into life as the man I was born to be.

[@moonsaer]

that's kinda beautiful, goodluck to u on your journey!

[@beatonm198]

Hell yeah dude.

[@mohdshow]

"The end goal is not validity .. it's equality" chef's kiss, Nat

[@edithfinch7674]

@FutaRoon ...what?

[@NeoDiscoBall]

Caitlyn Jenner won gold in men's sports - where's the inequality there?

[@sunny-he2yi]

@@NeoDiscoBall so because one person won one gold medal it suddenly means that all those people who are still oppressed today are treated equally, right?

[@SolarJakee]

What does equality mean?

[@NeoDiscoBall]

@@sunny-he2yi lol are you stupid? I'm making fun of the fact that you think "inequality" is winning gold in MEN'S sports.

[@DJNHmusic]

This was randomly suggested to me on my KZbin feed. I don't know any trans people nor do I have frequent conversations about the subject matter. This video however provided me with a lot of valuable insight and some good discourse to understand the issues you face and their origin. This has broadened my sense of understanding of how people work, which as someone interested in psychology, human well-being and harmony, I find invaluable, so thank you.

[@andenp8233]

Thanks for watching this even though you don't (yet) know any trans people. I appreciate people like you listening to trans folks talk about their experiences and for you wanting to learn about us from us. Thanks, and I hope you have a good day!

[@DJNHmusic]

@@andenp8233 Thanks, same to you :) Natalie is just so interesting to listen to, and so concise, insightful and eloquent, that I just couldn't stop watching. And most of all, so empathetic even towards people who she criticizes. I wish there were more people like her in the world.

[@kraziiXIII]

I'm glad you stuck around for the entire video despite not knowing any trans people personally. As your awareness increases, you may find that a lot of people become more comfortable with coming out to someone who is already aware and some friends or colleagues you already have may be trans. I've recently been the "first" trans, nonbinary person people have known for several people in group therapy, including the therapist, and during a discussion on dating, people's mouths dropped when I said many of my potential suitors were more concerned with what is in my pants than knowing my last name, before even the briefest of introductions. Like before we've even said hello have the time. Like I have no problem putting "hey, I am nonbinary and trans, so asking what my genitals are will send you to The Shadow Realm, never to return." And I would still have straight cis men asking me what my genitals look like. Its the first words of my bio. It makes me concerned that literacy levels have dropped so substantially /s. And thus, many men were sent to the unfun Shadow Realm and blocked. (There is also an alternate, much better, fun Shadow realm, which is my house, cause Shadow, my cat, is the real ruler here. No man has entered that Shadow Realm, but several enbies and women have. Shadow demands the pets of many.) While there is a reason to disclose that info, mainly for safety, especially if an individual is stealth (aka passing as a cisgender person and not publically out as a trans person), personally I find this kind of statement weeds out people who care more about genitals than the person they belong to. I'm not into people who make a big deal about genitals, chasers, bigots, or the closed minded, so it gets rid of, imho, several unsavoury types of people I have no interest in dating.

[@tannersievert6885]

She's got a lot of other good videos, not all of them are super serious. I'd recommend checking some out!

[@Bojangus-]

I experienced the same thing. Now I have a brother in law that used to be my sister in law haha, it’s crazy how life changes. Contrapoints video on masculinity was my entrance video

[@emporioalnino4670]

This is literally 1987. Just like Animal Crossing by George Orville

[@lilacrain3283]

Our society has turned into Animal Collective by Orwell Scott Card 😰

[@nina6722]

can’t believe we’re stuck in 1984: a space oddity by orson welles 😫😫😫

[@christinaguilfoy100]

Nothing has been alright since Bruce Springsteen, Madonna, way before Nirvana. There was u2 and Blondie and music still on MTV. Her two kids, in high school, they tell her that she’s uncool. She’s still preoccupied with 1985.

[@phin422]

This made me laugh out loud. Bravo

[@audreyzhang5394]

😂😂

[@xXBlacky77Xx]

As someone who only had a casual glance at JKRs controversia tweets and did not understand much about why people were so upset, this is one of my favourite videos you did because you laid it all out so well! I also showed it to a wonderful trans friend of mine who is not usually on youtube and was very happy to have such great representation on here.

[@WilliamBeason]

Favorite quote: "When you reduce bigotry to a caricature of pure hatred, you obscure that bigotry is a deeply human problem."

[@chrs-wltrs]

Exactly this. Dehumanizing the other side isn't just an issue of "hurting people's feelings," it means you're ignoring *where those issues come from* and *how to effectively combat them.*

[@imzabatch]

@@chrs-wltrs Yesss, I don't see the point in dehumanizing bad actors, they ARE human. And recognizing that human potential instead of ignoring it stops us from falling into the trap of 'us vs them' and urges us to recognize that, since we're human too, we're not immune to doing bad things or any "evilness".

[@gesamtszenario]

This is an amazingly concise way of saying something that I have been struggling to express for years...

[@popculture70]

That's why no good movies or TV shows have been made in the last 4-5 years, and comedy has been killed stone dead.

[@soaribb32]

Todd In The Shadows kinda made the same point reviewing Taylor's song.

[@vinnie666]

ya'll remember austin powers? "There's only two things I hate in this world: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch."

[@ellonico]

god bless the dutch

[@jadefalcon001]

That character was WAY smarter than it had any right to be whatsoever. I almost resent how not-superficial those movies are.

[@yungjoemighty879]

He was also racist homophobic and transphobic tho

[@AnnieBellet]

those are the same group of people tho ;) (I live in the Netherlands)

[@emilieraptor9373]

@@yungjoemighty879 annnnnd used women, respected only the pretty ones and of course was fatphobic. But yeah, so deep.

[@mentomor9961]

11:05 As a gay person myself I had a breakdown after this moment starting from a timestamp above. Because no one ever said such a thing to me personally, it's so revealing and meaningful to the point when I start to cry. To say "being gay is more than what you do in the bedroom" is to clearly understand how it is to be gay. It is especially dazzling to me on a context of living a whole life in a homophobic country... Natalie, I have no choice but to stan :) And sorry, but you're a gay icon, just because of you being compassionate.

[@justmechilling...]

I remember during a march for marriage equality in my country a woman said "I am more then just my sexuality ..it gets tiring taking about all the time"...👍

[@christophersnedeker2065]

Look into CS Lewis and George MacDonald.

[@muirryzgar5027]

"dark cabal of endocrinologists" is where I lost my sh.t laughing -- well done, the whole damn thing

[@emmarocheteau5788]

The clarity of this being about equality and not an intellectual debate on gender 👌👌

[@achinthmurali5207]

That’s an alt right hand symbol you know. I’m just kidding. I support you.

[@emmarocheteau5788]

@@achinthmurali5207 I panicked then!

[@emmarocheteau5788]

@@achinthmurali5207 is it actually an alt right symbol?

[@isoldemaisol3709]

@@emmarocheteau5788 It used to be, but they dropped it when we caught on. Funnily enough, Contrapoints also has a video on alt-right symbols and how they work. First video on the channel, I believe.

[@calebbrown8365]

The usage of "trans liberation now" and what position it puts you in conversationally is great. It blew my mind to see that change!

[@LisaBeergutHolst]

Fave moment.

[@dinospumoni5611]

I'm still a fan of the simple "trans rights", which while maybe less general than the above, has already caught on online and imo is better as a rallying cry.

[@mathildavere8966]

Me too. Trans people will continue to exist regardless of political or social conditions, therefore debating whether transgenderism/people is real, is arguably a non-sequiter.

[@sealogic4552]

You can say a true thing in two different ways and achieve two very different effects. That’s the power of rhetoric

[@popculture70]

I much prefer "Trans liberation now" than "Trans-women are women". The former does not require any suspension of disbelief.

[@laurenkindleartist]

Hi, I wanted to say thank you for making this video. My 14 year old daughter has been asking me to watch it with her for awhile, and we finally sat down together this week and watched it. I found it to be so very moving, thoughtful, intelligent, funny, and compassionate. It made me cry, in a good way. Also, I learned a lot about the trans experience that I did not know before, and I think it will help me be a better person. Thanks for all the work you put into this, and all your videos.

[@morganblack2619]

This is so wholesome. It's become an event to watch Natalie's videos with my parents and they are very informative 💖

[@anthonylilpump1522]

but if JK Rowling is wrong on trans issues, why does Dave Chappelle support her? he even said he is team terf.

[@rimut230]

@@anthonylilpump1522 how does that even prove anything

[@britneyhochman5204]

This is so touching… glad to know all kinds of people are moved by her content!

[@moresnqp]

not a lot of things make me produce random weird wholesome sounds :'d

[@Raoul-dn8zz]

It's sad coming back to this video after watching The Witch Trials video. Natalie released this when JKR was really just starting up the anti-trans rhetoric. JKR had the chance to stop. I get the feeling from this video that Natalie is disappointed and has compassion for JKR. It sounds like she believed maybe JKR could change. But the opposite happened. JKR really doubled down on her anti-trans stance and made it Her Thing. She made it her Brand. In the Witch Trials, Natalie rightfully calls her out and I think the metaphor of bigotry whirlpool is a good analogy for where JKR ended up. There is no turning back for JKR at this point

[@Rocka7038]

Womp womp

[@meatrubber]

cry us a river

[@jadenjerries2094]

yeah, Joanne just, really let herself go. Always a shame to see creatives going down that route. But hey, I guess it was somehow obvious that she was always a conservative.

[@nikgarvoille4025]

"I haven't researched this… Who do you think I am, Lindsey Ellis?!"

[@Moonhermit-]

The Left-Leaning KZbin Cinematic Universe.

[@pianoguy222]

"This is as much "look" as you're getting. Who do you think I am, Contrapoints?"

[@erinbailey7940]

As soon as she brought in the mannequin I was like “she’s gonna anoint him in milk”

[@normtrooper4392]

He needs milk

[@alejandrocambraherrera8242]

Traditions must be respected

That bit was both the most beautiful and horrible thing that Natalie has ever cast to film. Peepee confused, peepee curious....

[@KarlAndArma4ever]

I saw it coming, and still cackled like a maniac when she went through with it. Well done, Natalie!

[@aliasrei]

the fact that she pulled it off with a straight face, astonished me

[@marcod5027]

So many good points. A sentence that stands out for me is "[we] tend to forget that the end goal of a political movement is not 'validity', but _equality_ "

[@jackiew6402]

"empathizing with bigots is the best defense against becoming one yourself" - A vigilant intellectual goddess if I ever knew one

[@fleetstreet11]

ContraPoints' empathy is false and affected.

[@arielpagliero9619]

@@fleetstreet11 lol, ok

[@skyco5395]

@@fleetstreet11 ah yeah, bc understanding that your abuse was awful and probably still has effects on how you view men and women is definitely not empathizing and totally fake

[@skyco5395]

@@fleetstreet11 I'm talking about JK Rowling's sexual assault that she talks about in the video. it's almost insulting to think that it doesn't have an effect on how she views men and women

[@fuckamericanidiot]

@@skyco5395 It's DEFINITELY insulting to assume that it does.

[@shirley_grace]

"The end goal of a movement is not validity, but rather equality." Fracking Facts. Spot on.

[@sdrawkcabUK]

Define ‘equality’

[@cezarcatalin1406]

sdrawkcabUK Equality of control over each other, equality over how existential needs of individuals are addressed by each others... you know, the principles from which we can deduce that oppression and exploitation are bad.

[@CitizenVan]

​@@sdrawkcabUK In the context of political movement, when people say 'equality,' they often mean legal equality. So what they want is to be treated equally by the government and to not be discriminated against in the form of laws that that disproportionally make life harder for the groups of people that they belong to.

[@sdrawkcabUK]

@@cezarcatalin1406 not quite sure I get that one

[@sdrawkcabUK]

@@CitizenVan but I got that one to be sure

[@chrisschlomo]

Before I forget: “I’ve redistributed the rose petals. Socialist icon!” It’s sending me! 😂😂😂

[@supme7558]

H** d*** you're fine

[@misange137]

I'm inspired to make a bunch of Tiktoks of redistributing random things, so that I too, can be a Socialist icon, lol 💜😂

[@HighEvolutionary175]

The music and the flag is what made it for me lmao

[@sogghartha]

@@misange137 do eeet!

[@chefbigdawg4349]

Aaaaaaand she’s doing holocaust denial

[@alexbennet4195]

Where? How??

[@nellfromhell7192]

​@@alexbennet4195 recently she posted this totally unhinged article claiming that trans people were actually supported in the holocaust which if you know literally anything about anything is...false

[@catdownthestreet]

​@@alexbennet4195 Joanne is

[@reported5135]

this some weird stuff like the schizophrenia is real.

[@elliotgov]

" i cant wait til trans people have so many rights that it's ok to make fun of us" do i admit I've had the exact same thought

[@jenwendy7]

Yeah, to me this is the real point.

[@fuckamericanidiot]

"Treat us equally, but not the same"

[@MsOdd86]

@Fk Yu yeah that’s honestly a real concern I’ve thought about recently. I’m not trans, and while I grew up conservative I wasn’t exposed to social politics very much- so I’m sure that’s what gives me the ability to not acknowledge the bigotry bc I’ve never personally experienced it or felt it, or had it explicitly stated- and therefore struggle sometimes to understand it. I loved the majority of Daves special at first bc if I were the one making those jokes about my trans friends, they would just be fun jokes. Many of the jokes, to me, were a form of praise, or parody. But then I read someone’s essay into why certain stereotypes or ideas, even if they SEEM to be praise or parody, are rooted in a sense of “otherism” and a basic idea of trans people that they are fundamentally different from other human beings. that they are “broken” or “unwell”. it even at times frames them as objects in much the same way women(which I am a bisexual woman so I deeply relate to this aspect) are by feverish misogynistic men. They subtly give merit to bigots looking for an outlet or reasoning for their hatred and/or discrimination. The jokes get a lot less funny when you realize Dave isn’t speaking of trans people as human in the same way he views himself. A concept and world view I gave little to no consideration before my 20s.

[@bluesweatshirts7113]

@@fuckamericanidiot If one person breaks their arm and the other gets a scratch, would they require the same care? literally just look up the word “equity” if you consider yourself so smart. is this the type of person you want to be?

[@fuckamericanidiot]

​@@bluesweatshirts7113 Equality of outcome? Fuck that shit.

[@David-ii2op]

"I promise this is the last time" No it's not Natalie. No it's not.

[@aliebrubaker7473]

"I've redistributed the petals." *Soviet anthem* "Socialist icon." Yep. I lost it. God damn I love her sense of humor.

[@monopanda9546]

As a cis woman, I also struggled with my identity. I had a massive internalized misogyny issue as a teenager that made me consider changing gender. Then, I overcame it, (transitioning in my case would have been stupid, I think I would have detransitioned), but I began to feel concerned that trans men might transition just because of internalized misogyny too, so I guess I was a little bit like JKR. Now, I came to a more objective vision I think. There are both people like me who hesitate to transition for the wrong reasons (internal struggles, internalized misogyny), and also people who transition for different reasons, who do not just want to « escape feminity », who definitely have a better life quality afterwards, and will never detransition. Everyone is different, makes choices for different reasons, and sometimes it’s valid. I would say that transitioning for wanting to be a man is not at all the same thing as transitioning for not wanting to be a woman. I want people who want to be men to feel accepted by society and supported when they transition if it is a solid and valid choice, that makes them feel closer to their identities, and that is not fueled at all by internalized misogyny. I also want teenage girls like me who do not really want to be men, but rather just want to escape the « shame » of being female to overcome their internalized misogyny, and feel proud and strong as women. Love you all ❤

[@AtheistEve]

Do you think that becoming non-binary would be the preferred escape route for people who don’t want to represent any stereotypical sex? Rather than making a choice between one or other gender role? For me, hyper-masculinity or hyper-femininity are just as unappealing. The preferred choice is withdrawal of labour either way.

[@anapontopina86]

Good for you, congratulations for that deep dive and understanding of yourself💪🏽🧘🏼‍♂️❤️

[@monopanda9546]

@@AtheistEve I sort of view it this way right now. I might be on the spectrum of gender abolitionists, as to me, revendications of one's individuality as something that does not necessarily fit in the traditional gender role boxes is what really matters - not finding a new "box" among other genders. But, I guess several people need to find a new "box" in order to escape the traditional ones. That might be a necessary intermediary step as society, before we land in a society where people are just people with a certain biological background but that does not impact as much their lifestyles, public perception and identities? This view is subjective and personal of course, I do not have the perspectives of everyone :)

[@AtheistEve]

@@monopanda9546 Thank you for your thoughtful & thought-provoking response. If you don’t mind my asking, when you overcame your internalized misogyny, were you given any guidance from a professional in the field of body or gender dysphoria? I’d hope that actual care givers and counsellors would explore the non-binary options rather than expecting everyone to “pick a side”. I’ve only known two people who transitioned/ are transitioning. They both seem confident and very at ease in their current gender. I suspect that those who have to do the most work on this are those who have never even needed to question their gender and have externalized squeamish responses to anyone who has.

[@tarathoughts13]

​@@AtheistEve I mean you can not be hyper feminine or hyper masculine and still be a man/woman, unless you mean feminine or masculine more in identity and energy and not just clothing.

[@theamaeve8175]

I nominate this video essay for the BBC Russell Award

[@abparker9971]

Keep crying, Rowling keeps winning

[@percyhendrix2897]

@@abparker9971 Maybe I will, Parker. Maybe I will.

[@abparker9971]

@@percyhendrix2897 Good. Rowling is not transphobic anyway, she just said sex is real

[@percyhendrix2897]

@@abparker9971 I’m afraid that is not up to you

[@carbonarcade1233]

@@abparker9971 ok but hear me out on this, if sex was real, dont you think i would've had it by now?

[@Thunder-Sky]

okay, as an enby raised male, another upsetting thing about "pronouns are rohypnol" is definitely that it frames men as lust-controlled demons that have no choice but to attempt rape, and thus "him" is an instinctive flag in the "real world", and I'm just sitting here aghast because instead of saying "hey we should definitely teach consent to children so that boys don't grow up to ignore consent", Barra Kerr instead says "hey, can't use preferred pronouns because how else will half our children learn to fear the other half appropriately" Like c'mon people????

[@geminiwolf0077]

As a non-binary AMAB, I agree. I was raised by mostly women(I actually don't think that I've spent any significant time around any men), so the claim that me entering into the women's bathroom makes me a predator is so fucking ridiculous that I'd almost laugh but due to transphobia the humor is taken away. Come on, trans people aren't the problem it's the parents(typically dads, though moms can definitely contribute(Kaitlin Bennett hates women's rights so there are women out there who are utterly stupid like she is)) of cis men/boys that are the problem. If Boyinaband could raise every child, I'd be blessed because of his song "You Look Like A Girl" where he absolutely roasts toxic masculinity, and looks so fucking hot and awesome while doing so. I was raised to be respectful to women and that it was okay for boys to cry and be emotional and like feminine things including clothing and makeup. I am a non-binary transfemme-fa-tale(is that how you spell 'fatale' or is it 'fa-tale'? IDK lol) who has also faced abuse and sexual abuse by men in the past. My father put me in a trash can jokingly and unintentionally gave me viral meningitis(he had also unintentionally kicked me in the nose beforehand, so my nose was vulnerable to bacteria... yeah) which likely caused brain damage and I could've died at age 8 or 9 because of it. He pawned my toys and games for money to buy alcohol and drugs, threw firecrackers at me from a two-story apartment window with his buddy. Tried to force me to interact and flirt with a girl that I didn't want to flirt with. When I was REALLY young, like 5 or 6, my mom had a boyfriend(now ex thank Satan) and she was always working to put food on the table, and financial struggles were rampant, so she trusted him to babysit me while also saving money. He's cisgender. Well, I was obviously young and naive when he had told me to pull my pants down and he preceded to... touch me. I felt uncomfortable, but he was an adult and momma always said to trust adults. I had told mom what happened. Now he's in jail for good. Turns out before he had touched me he was already a registered sex offender. My "dad" beat him up, which was the only good thing my "dad" ever did good for me. One man called me "princess" in a condescending tone, and he was lucky I didn't bitch slap his fucking smirk. So, yeah, I've had traumatic experiences with man and luckily I haven't been r*ped... yet. I'm still not gonna treat men like trash just because of my traumatic past. I was verbally assaulted by a woman who was living with me, even though I was never once mean to her, but she preceded to unleash everything that she thought about me. I also happen to be autistic, and one of the things I can NOT handle is someone yelling at me while being in my personal space, like a drill Sargent. When I told her, on the midst of a meltdown/shutdown/panic attack, that I was autistic and that her yelling at me wasn't solving anything, she said that "You aren't autistic. That's not autism, that's just YOU! That's just an excuse. I actually know someone who is autistic!" It was so overwhelming that I laid on the floor on my side with a shirt over my head to block her out of my vision and I covered my ears while my tears came flowing like waterfall. She continued to yell and tell me to get up because I was "acting like a baby" until I jumped up and roared "GET THE FUCK OUT!!! GET OOOOUUUUT!!! NOOOOOW!!! GET. OOOOOOUT!!! But, she continued and continued, and I almost punched her. I was SO fucking close to punching her, and I'm a "man" so how does that look? So, it wasn't only men that were traumatic, it was also a cis woman. An ableist cis woman at that. TERFs can kiss my ass. If I was a cis woman, TERFs would have fit with this story. But, because I'm an AMAB non-binary transfemme, this story would be a "I understand your trauma and past, but...(precedes to toss my trauma story aside to replace it with their trauma story to make mine seem irrelevant) Fuck you terfs. Y'all really make it difficult for a s*icidal person to wanna stay alive in this world. I'm REALLY fucking trying. But, sorry that y'all feel uncomfortable in the bathroom and wanna constantly remind me of my "biological reality".

[@chariot5660]

Unironic misandry, very cringe

[@jonasamdroid2356]

Men rape Woman, Not Woman rape men. Lmao the cope

[@StCrimson667]

That was absolutely my lightbulb moment, too! The fact is that TERFs are essentially the most visceral example of misandry that we have and, if you talk to them long enough, you see that misandry plain as day. TERFs literally believe that ALL men, aside from those who support their moment, are abusers and that ALL abuse is caused by men and only men! In fact, one of the most common ways for people to become disillusioned with the movement is experiencing abuse at the hands of a woman, bring it to the community with the expectation that a community that cares about abuse of women will support them, and be met with everyone collectively say that it doesn't matter because it wasn't caused by a man so it can't have been that bad. This is why I have to wonder if TERF is maybe actually a misleading term, I'm pretty sure it was created by TERFs anyway, they are most obviously not feminists at all, and I wonder if it makes it seem like that, if they can just get rid of all trans people, they'll stop because they won't! It's obvious when you actually listen to what they say that they won't stop with trans people, trans people are just the biggest priority, but they talk crap about masculine women in sports all the time, especially female athletes of colour! Because, ultimately, the perfect world for TERFs is one of complete gender segregation, that's why they love single-sex bathrooms so much, because they want the entire world to be like that. For women's safety.

[@meanbean6011]

Men are often dangerous though. I'm not saying that in like a "boo men suck!" Kind of way or a fun edgy way, I'm saying it realistically. The majority of sex crimes are perpetrated by men. Same goes for femicides. I'm not agreeing with the pronouns are rohypnol lady but women have a good reason to be fearful of men. I think you're saying this because you're not a woman .

[@srutica2234]

"Stand by I'm gonna trans him" is by far the funniest thing I've heard this year

[@aliebrubaker7473]

*endocrinology cabalist waves hormone needle around menacingly*

[@davidlovesyeshua]

@@aliebrubaker7473 All the endocrinology references got me so good. X'D

[@hendrikgaylor2487]

Contrapoints:" LET ME SHOW YOU MY LOVE THE ONLY WAY I KNOW!" proceeds to waterboard him with milk 😂

[@fede689]

Are we just NOT going to talk here about Natalie's amazing piano playing throughout the video?

[@sonnywilliams9610]

I was floored tbh

[@Triforian]

Love the music. It sounds deceptively light, seeming easy even, while, on the contrary, being very difficult to play. Learned piano myself for many years, but never reached this level. Kudos!

[@nellgwyn2723]

Oh my god that was her? Is she a professional? Its just incredible, i just assumed its one of those tracks youtubers licence for videos...

[@OliverHeikkinen]

@@nellgwyn2723 yeah she used to play a lot of instruments when she was younger and she's been recently getting into it again

[@AveryJohnson04747rhrhrudu]

"Relaxed to her, alert to him" Bitch I'm alert to everyone. The ol social anxiety keeps baby safe

[@StefanieHurtado]

Hahah! As a New Yorker, I'm alert to anything that moves

[@thekalenichannel1812]

Same asf

[@loopy2279]

me

[@TheHanyuuuuu]

I was told that most of the sex-trafficking recruiters in my country are cis women. Exactly for the reason of lowering the victim alertness.

[@piperdragon3200]

PTSD is real, and and I don't distinguish. A hand on my back that I don't expect is going to get the same reaction no matter who it's from. This is my bubble, stay out of my bubble.

[@Sarahnatalie]

"I can't wait until trans people have so many rights it is Okay to make fun of us" that's gold.

[@tegan6554]

+

[@AcYborg2.0]

​@Trans Antidoteyou're so obsessed with us lmao

[@AcYborg2.0]

@Trans Antidote seek help 💀

[@stirpiano]

@Trans Antidote Kid named people like you:

[@SombreroPharoah]

Everyone is fair game to make fun of though. Humour isn't about rights (re the fact trans ppl have no less rights I'll add) but, trans can and should joke at and with cis, and vice versa

[@Nirax3]

Even though it's 2 years old and missing a lot of more recent events, this is still the best video on JKR imo. With her deep and empathetic analysis, Natalie somehow manages to do the impossible. I've recommended this video to so many people in the last few weeks and I really hope at least one of them takes the time to watch it and understand what all of this mess is actually about. Because sadly, with all the hateful discourse from my fellow leftists (and some trolls), many people that would probably be on our side if someone explained it to them rationally are now turning anti-woke, some buying the god damn controversial wizard game out of spite even though they don't even like HP and all the while most of the confused, upset liberals DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW AND WHY JKR IS TRANSPHOBIC it's driving me mad how frustratingly bad this whole boycotting campaign is going in terms of raising long-term acceptance of trans people ughhh

[@casperes0912]

@Transium Anti-abortionists stand with JKR

[@miguel7383]

Hey there, I'd like to reach out to you about your opinion on this matter. I'm just doing some personal research on the matter in order to strengthen my arguments and out of curiosity too. I tried messaging you on vimeo but it doesn't let me so if you're up for a discussion please let me know how to do so :)

[@Nirax3]

@@miguel7383 hey, I've tried to send you a message on vimeo, let me know if it worked :)

[@miguel7383]

@@Nirax3 I did yeah. I'll get back to you as soon as I can tysm

[@Nirax3]

@@miguel7383 no stress, take your time and have a nice weekend :)