That Time Geocentrists Tricked A Bunch of Physicists

Clickbait Title: Is There Proof We Really Are The Center of the Universe?!
Shortly before the election my cat escaped the house and got her belly covered in sticky mud which then picked up all sorts of junk. During the extremely needed bath, which she hates, I lost control of her head and she managed to latch onto my arm and break the skin with two teeth. It looked kinda rough, so I figured I should get a tetanus shot in the morning. By the time the clinic opened I was in some of the worst pain of my life, the swollen bite looked like a tennis ball was embedded inside my arm, and the selling was pressing constantly against my ulnar nerve. The pressure was so intense that I could feel gravity pulling on my skin and fingers. Anyway, that's a big part of why this is late.
Written and performed by Dan Olson
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[@robynkolozsvari]

broke: trying to understand the hierarchy of the planets in their celestial spheres woke: trying to understand the sexualities and horniness of the planets

[@bioticjedi3864]

I wonder which ones Rick would fuck

[@joshuahitchins1897]

@@bioticjedi3864 All of them, but it would take different amounts of alcohol for each one.

[@skyclaw]

Thanks for reminding me. I almost forgot to renew my subscription to Planetfucker magazine.

[@bioticjedi3864]

I wonder what the sun is, I picture a gay, bear type

[@FFKonoko]

@@bioticjedi3864 really? You wouldn't say it's the fiery, flaming and hot type?

[@cara-setun]

“Effectively interviewed himself to make himself seem like an expert” Me in the shower winning fake arguments.

[@asparagusoffice]

compared to my shower drain I am an expert in nearly all fields, but when it comes to sanitation policies it's always a washout

[@ettaz]

I had a college professor who insisted we only learn from a "book" she wrote. The problem was, she couldn't publish it because, as she said "the morons in the publishing office want to fuck me over, so I'm not doing it". Her solution was to just give us free printouts of the relevant chapters every lesson. Cool. When I read those chapters, I realized she was actually quoting herself, from the same book! Like literally, in the text she would make a statement, and as a source put THAT book. The one we are reading. For example, in chapter 5 she puts a source saying (her name), (title of the book), chapter 2. It was also the least crazy thing she did during those 2 semesters.

[@dylanbednarz4430]

@@ettaz I need to know more

[@ettaz]

@@dylanbednarz4430 She dressed like Jovanka Broz in her glory days (google her if you don't know who that is) complete with holding an hour long class in a giant fur coat and sunglasses - keep in mind, this was in 2014. She always took cabs everywhere because "I insist to be driven around like a lady" (her words). She was once an hour late to an exam. There was a rumor she somehow blackmailed the school to give her the position and basically make up a subject for her. It was an art school and she taught a completely unrelated law subject that was mandatory for all first years. Also a rumor, but she was supposedly the highest paid profesor at the school. That is all I can remember of the top of my head, but I'm sure there was more that I forgot. But the self quoting will be with me for the rest of my days.

[@noizepusher7594]

@@ettaz she sounds really cool to be friends with, but terrible to be taught by

[@SovietWomble]

I've always wondered if these charlatans have quiet moments of panic? We all have them, surely. Those moments where you're lying awake and worried about the future. Do they ever pause and go "WHAT AM I DOING?!"

[@wilfroberts637]

Well who'd have thought Soviet Womble would be watching this video now 😂

[@cptinvincible3223]

Maybe, but these people are too far gone to change their ways. Even if they wanted to, they receive so much funding from oil companies that they would lose their luxurious livelihoods if they turned against their masters. Grifters are gonna grift.

[@Paralellex]

They spend all this energy and time so that they can avoid never having one of those moments.

[@arcadeinvader8086]

if you are convinced your cause is categorically, objectively righteous then anything you do becomes justifiable. With that framing, even if what you're doing is harmful, it still isn't wrong. Only bad guys do bad things, and you're one of the good guys.

[@JJ-qo7th]

I'm going to guess not. If you're a grifter, you're already accustomed to victimizing people for money. Grifters are most likely sufficiently packed with dark traits that they do not give a shit.

[@EnsignGeneric]

"We have no chance against the forces areayed against us." What, gravity and electromagnetism?

[@hisnibs1121]

"Yes, but it's worse than that. Gravity is not a force, which only goes to show how sneaky 'they' are!" ;-)

[@KarhsXII]

always fascinated by the idea that "a balanced discussion" means "treating all arguments as equally plausible regardless of evidence" and not, ykno, "treating all pieces of evidence with the same level of scrutiny."

[@alexanderphilip1809]

That works for weeding out stupid shit like this. But when it comes to higher order issues of what policies are preferable in any given society or how much freedom or restrictions there should be, people tend to get all self righteous and delusional with selectively nit picking data to suit their naive moralist fantasies or short sighted sentiments now that's an entirely different factor that's obscured by your "evidence" argument. Two sides can arrive at entirely separate conclusions from the same piece of evidence. An example would the self promotion of communist ideologues and its consequences on economic planning or free market fundamentalists and the retreat of the state where they argued that problems of the day could've been solved by abolishing private property on one end and abolishing state in the other. Ofcourse details and evidence are only useful if the people compiling that data have the cognitive deference to process it. Most people on the far right and far left are woefully ill equipped for that task. It's easy to grandstand on already resolved issues that are propped up by social idiocy which is what this guy does. The channel listings kind of gave away his ideological leanings.

[@noviatoria2436]

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[@juniperrodley9843]

Because the people who think to use "it's a balanced discussion" as a *defense* are the ones who were arguing some bullshit.

[@Diana-ej7zf]

This is such a good way to say it!

[@Alucard-A-La-Carte]

The entirety of right-wing grift is built upon this foundation.

[@colette2529]

"earth?" "gay." "moon?" "lesbian." ... "neptune?" "straight trans man, married to the sea." that ending bit was 100/10 omg

[@dylanchouinard6141]

Neptune was the lover of Caenaus, a woman who he made a man after she was raped. He ain’t strait

[@oneopinion6806]

@@dylanchouinard6141 That's, like, your reality dude.

[@mirmalchik]

@@dylanchouinard6141 Was Caenaus' transition consensual? Sounds to me like Neptune forced a transition on someone suffering from PTSD in a misguided attempt to protect them from further abuse in a deeply patriarchal world. But then again, the Greek pantheon lacked the benefit of post-Freudian psychology :P

[@dylanchouinard6141]

@@mirmalchik That is very accurate to the original myth. But the fun thing about myths is that they aren’t static, they are built to change, usually when the person telling it changes. So, while the original is very much what you said, I can totally see a trans man finding a character he can relate to and modifying his retelling to be Poseidon used his divine power to affirm his lovers gender identity.

[@yonatancarmi7543]

Sausages? No, not on their own

[@ZimMan2]

Someone once told Rick Delano “that’s your reality, dude” and it’s kept him up at night ever since.

[@juniperrodley9843]

Once? Lmao you give him way too much credit, no way did he give up bothering someone after hearing that once

[@M4421-O]

@@juniperrodley9843 He tells it to himself in the mirror every morning as a pep talk

[@Jay22222]

“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” - Not Rick DeLano

[@sayvionwashington1939]

"All positions in an argument should be treated equally." My brother in Christ, the other guy sniffs glue and is wearing an SS Uniform. He lost Frame 1.

[@barthvader95]

Do not pass go, do not collect 200 zorkmids.

[@acetraker1988]

So if all sides are equal, "Satan was framed by god and earth is actually a pyramid". -This is humour, please do not drink any cool aid.

[@cookies23z]

@@acetraker1988 I love kool aid! thanks for the new beliefs :D pyramid earth with my country at the peak (back when it was good) and satan being framed by god is a psy-op by the flying spaghetti monster to keep himself hidden since he doesnt like all the noise from prayer

[@KnakuanaRka]

Yeah, as someone else put it, that should mean to give all arguments equal scrutiny, not to treat them as equally valid.

[@noahboone524]

*conspiracy theorist SWEATING trying not to say “the Jews”*

[@3kojimbles895]

it says geos if you look at the non auto caption ones

[@alzheimergirls6397]

It’s like when they say globalists or elites, we know what those people mean

[@giladlevitz3283]

Haha

[@noahboone524]

@Hector Callum It took 20 minutes to work but you responded 10 minutes after he posted that ad?

[@slim4o8z]

@@noahboone524 holy shit you played him like a guitar

[@politicalnerdV]

Here's a rule of thumb: if you have to say "There's nothing about the Jews in this film" you've got a problem.

[@g.strobl4458]

And it does not really matter which side you are talking to, either, normal people or ... * sad sigh * an Austrian word for it is "Ewiggestrige" - people who will forever belong to yesterday.

[@amsrroleplaylila7173]

geos. GEOS. jesus christ dude.

[@politicalnerdV]

@@amsrroleplaylila7173 Ah that makes more sense.

[@josequilez5449]

@@amsrroleplaylila7173 did you have captions on dude. He clearly said Jews

[@Criomoom]

@@josequilez5449 That's for auto generated, if you click the human-written captions, then it is "Geos"

[@DIABETOR]

I don’t know much about science but I’m a firm believer that my puppy, Benji, is the center of my universe. You could say I’m a Benjiocentrist.

[@juniperrodley9843]

I BELIEVE in Benji

[@anarchohannibalism]

sure, I'll incorporate that into my worldview

[@ClaudiaNW]

"They're good dogs Brent" as a cosmology

[@bulldozer8950]

I also believe Benji is the center of your universe.

[@colinwilliams3459]

Thats my dogs name too :D

[@Alucard-A-La-Carte]

See, this is how you know these aren't the kinds of people you can just fix by "debating with sincerity" and "letting them be heard." The Pope, their GOD-EMPEROR ON HIS THRONE, told them: "Quit blaming Jews for everything," and that was THE FIRST TIME that a great many of them were like "Nah, I think I'll do my OWN research."

[@nfinn42]

There's only one thing to be done about "tradcaths" and other fascist creeps, but saying it would violate KZbin guidelines 😒

[@SgtKaneGunlock]

to be fair in the past they just started a new religion instead

[@juniperrodley9843]

@@nfinn42 we beat them in minecraft pvp of course

[@neoqwerty]

@@juniperrodley9843 I thought the M.O. was that we make them run a game of F.A.T.A.L.

[@None-Trick_Pony]

The pope is not my "God-Emperor". I don't know if that's just for dramatic effect or you're laboring under a misconception, but Catholics don't consider the Pope God or any part therein. That would be a violation of the Trinity. He's holy, sure, but not God. Also, he's not an emperor. The pope doesn't have total control and authority-but it's generally agreed that Papal Bulls are right and should be followed. It's not like they select a Pope out of a hat. The guy will know his Bible and his Jesus. Otherwise, yes, these guys are -loons- completely rational and I agree with your point that the timing is -suspicious- completely coincidental. On the note of the Jews thing-that was just a formalization. The Catholic Church had done away with the idea of Jewish Deicide for a while by then. In fact, during WWII, the Vatican safely housed many Jewish refugees despite being smack-dab in the center of Fascist Italy (or as I like to call it, Hitler's Southern Front). That's because the Vatican authorities knew the Axis wouldn't want to risk having the world's Catholic community mobilized against them just for a small percentage of those they could murder elsewhere.

[@Bonhomme7h]

Fun fact: YOU are the center of the OBSERVABLE universe. Geocentrism can't compete with that much ego boosting info.

🤔

[@JustLost1030]

you are infact the center of the universe you can observe! this isn't to say that anything revolves around you, but as far as your observation goes, the distance you can see is the same in every direction. except for within yourself if you actually believe in geocentrism.

[@nbriez-c5914]

Hahahahaha

[@user-cq8tt5ek3x]

and if the universe is infinite, there is a case to say that EVERYWHERE is the centre.

[@markusoreos.233]

That`s very cartesian of you

[@pintlemounted]

It’s common knowledge that the universe is centered around azathoth, the blind idiot eldritch god that dreams this all up. He must be kept asleep, for if he ever wakes up the universe ends.

[@keyb]

Guys who’s gonna go poke him? Not me, someone else do it.

[@universesbiggestdouchebag8350]

Thought I will read a true and factual comment, I never would have.

[@strrawberrytekken3698]

Mmm yeah but we just pop out and pop back in a lil bit different the next time. You know deja vu and the Mandela effect? (;

[@Rifky809]

@@strrawberrytekken3698 whoa

[@heatherlee2967]

lol

[@QueenDaydream13]

I think the funniest thing about that guy’s hang up with being told “dude, that’s your reality” is that whoever said that obviously didn’t literally mean he was living in a different universe or something like he clearly has interpreted. I mean, I can clearly imagine this interaction. You meet some crazy guy who thinks the earth is the center of the universe, and realize arguing is pointless so u just leave it. “Dude, That’s your reality” was clearly just said the same way one might say “let’s agree to disagree” or “I’m not going to argue with you about this”

[@the81kid]

I've noticed this too with (real) conspiracy theory fans. They seem to be really bad at understanding metaphor and allegory. Everything is literal to them. Either it's literal truth, or someone pretending that it's literal truth - aka a lie, or a big lie, which is a conspiracy. They don't seem capable of understanding the concept of symbolism.

[@nicholaslennerton7547]

The proper response to someone who's divorced themselves from critical thinking is "You're a fucking idiot, you have no idea what you're talking about, and I'm done listening to your bullshit". If someone is unable to leave their bubble, and no amount of factual counterargument will reach them, there's zero reason to be polite

[@aim-to-misbehave5674]

Dan Olson confidently listing the sexualities of the planets is identical energy to Mike's Mic categorising things as Wednesday. Both of them are incredibly accurate

[@IsaacMayerCreativeWorks]

or Lenny Bruce defining inanimate objects as Jewish or goyish

[@josemedrano2645]

I've watched this video countless times and just realized that the Galilean Moon pan polycule would only have 2 members

[@rokhayasadji1]

one of mike's best videos

[@corporalregicide5248]

@@josemedrano2645 maybe they're a couple that wants to be poly but just haven't found their third/fourth/fifth/etc yet?

[@nachoqt]

@@corporalregicide5248 Dibs.

[@janberkemeier7406]

"Galileo was wrong, the church was right" sounds like a book you'd find as a gag in a GTA game

[@hairymcnipples]

Sounds like a subplot in Assassin's Creed

[@KingZolem]

Sounds like somebody who knows what he was actually charged with (mocking the Pope) that he confessed and apologized for immediately. Then he went on his way publishing new versions of his pamphlet without the mocking and that was that. Yeah, he never got in trouble for heliocentric reasons.

[@asparagusoffice]

those moons of Jupiter were just weather balloons

[@khill8645]

@@KingZolem Broke: Galileo got in trouble for heliocentrism Woke: Galileo's charges dealt with the pope, not astronomy Bespoke: The pope should be mocked, and Galileo was right to do so.

[@alternateperson6600]

​@@khill8645 it wasn't even the mockery that got him in trouble, though it was the climax of the affair; Galileo got in trouble for essentially practising sola scriptura at a time where protestant and catholic states were at war. He could have completely avoided this pointless ordeal with the church like other heliocentric proponents (including Copernicus himself); heliocentrism had nothing to do with his condemnation.

[@aboxintheblack9530]

“Are we significant or just a cosmic accident?” These assertions aren’t mutually exclusive. We can easily be both.

[@aboxintheblack9530]

If significance here refers to absolute significance in all possible areas then I’d probably disagree then.

[@frogsinpants]

Or neither.

[@blackshirts_and_breads]

"significant cosmic accidents" sounds like a cool nickname for humans

[@krankarvolund7771]

We're just a cosmic accident and very significant for us. Of course we're not vert significant for say Jupiter, but who cares about Jupiter? ^^

[@theantithesis1]

Indeed. The Earth being in the center of the universe is not an indication of significance.

[@Freelix2000]

nutjob documentaries be like: 2 minute clip: *well-explained overview of the concept of thrust, simply illustrated in layman's terms, consistent with established science and practice* - John Smith, astrophysics Phd 10 second clip: "COULD THAT BE HOW ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS VISITED MARS?" - William Wackadoo, author of 'The Stars Know Your Name' *Cool CGI clip showing a giant hand reaching from the surface of a gas giant*

[@gemcorker3982]

Take a drink every time the voice over says: "ancient astronaut theorists argue/believe/contend/claim/posit/suggest" & then the completely batshit thing they claim is treated as literally true with zero scrutiny

[@GentlemanBones]

17:25 After another rewatch of this video, it only just really hit me how funny this claim is. "The highest grossing-" Wow! "-single screen opening-" Hm. "-in America-" okay. "-that weekend." Did, like, six people come to see it?

[@concept8192]

It was probably the only movie to come out that weekend lmao

[@hens0w]

single screen opening - that means a showing in one theater right?

[@concept8192]

@@hens0w well, it was *technically* a theater... their home theater in their basement, but still... /j

[@timothypickarski5234]

I love this recent strategy of being so wildly wrong that it’s hard to be proven wrong at all. Like where do you even start a discussion with a person who thinks the very concept of science is inherently corrupted against their point of view.

[@shyanjones2916]

@@CARILYNF this is painfully accurate

[@userequaltoNull]

@@shyanjones2916 no, 9mm isn't powerful enough to be considered an "accurate" cartridge. You would need at least a .308 IMO to have the long-range accuracy required to be called "accurate". Also "9mm is weak! Get a .45! Why are you calling me a Fudd?"

[@eneyavorodecky]

The amusing part is that it is easy to refute such claims since for every such claim there is testable option to see if it is true or wrong. Literally every claim in that ridiculous "movie" is observable and testable wrong. The only issue is that you have to sit down and do the edperkekbta. This is what the whole thing is. People are betting that the viewers don't have enough time to test their claims and will accept them at face value. On top of that the easiest way to refute is to ask to see what are their discoveries in modern sicence and why modern science works if they are correct? Either they unravel or they start to try to come up with explanations and all of them contradict each other.

[@elfpi55-bigB0O85]

its pure nihilism

[@eneyavorodecky]

@@elfpi55-bigB0O85 no, actually. Nihilism talks about finding a point and being a person, an individual bc of internal push, not external such as religion or bc other said so. This is such a misrepresentation of a really interesting and complex philosophy and it is ironic to be mentioned in the context of religious hacks when Nietzsche was so against organized religion and not a fan or the church....

[@qeauxduis]

interviewing yourself while talking about someone interviewing themselves has to be endlessly amusing

[@LimeyLassen]

It's such a flex lol

[@samuelsolomon7330]

At least Dan had some self awareness when he did it.

[@marocat4749]

Earths moon? Pluto?

[@girlfan]

It wasn't until I read this comment that I realized he was also the interviewer voice lol

[@shmoola]

I wish you have replied to your own comment agreeing on the matter.

[@Saltience]

The funniest part about these geocentrists is their irrational belief that the earth needs to literally be the center of the universe to be cosmologically important. Like, the fact that the earth is even able to support life and have water across its entire surface is incredibly special on its own. But, it's not the most importantest it could be to these people, they need to be the mostest importantest beings ever, or its not enough. They're not really geocentrists, they're egocentrics. They literally need the world to revolve around them.

[@CitBox]

They value being literally unique and special instead of caring about what the earth (the catholic church, and therefore themselves) means to other people. It's a form of entitlement trying to justify their ability to oppress others through the language of science. very facist tbh

[@shamefuldisplay9692]

Dont use fascist into a catch all term. Reckless people like you have made it so normies are desensitized to the word. Ignore me if you want, but the Johns, Devantes, Edgars, and Ngyuens of the world will just start responding with "Guess Im a fascist".

[@CitBox]

@@shamefuldisplay9692 "Don't use words to describe an ideological belief or I'll start believing the ideology" Conspiratorial thinking is a direct rejection of reality I doubt not calling them fasch-y is gonna get them to change their minds.

[@shamefuldisplay9692]

@@CitBox Wow. Just wow. It means people will think you sound like an idiot using words you dont understand. When they say "guess Im a fascist" thats *sarcasm*, because they no longer take you seriously. Because Fascism is a system of governance and you apply it to anything you deem bad. People like you hurt the cause.

[@TheLethalDomain]

​​@@shamefuldisplay9692I see. So we should call them socially democratic scientists so they will just change their minds? No, I think we can rather call an ideology what it is. The antisemitism and desire to take power unjustifiably through lies which is common in their conspiracies didn't occur in a vacuum, but if you think it did, go off.

[@GleefulNihilism]

Isn't this the same "documentary" that also tricked Kate Mulgrew into narrating because they thought getting a Star Trek Captain to do the voice would give it more weight, and she flat out says "they told me I was going to be narrating a Sci-Fi film".

[@ScorpionClaws789]

Yes, this is mentioned in the video (without the specific reasoning)

[@JTD472]

So you didn’t get even a couple minutes into this video huh?

[@cly_]

​@@JTD472Who hurt you? Why so mean?

[@nickchambers3935]

"It's not about geocentrism, it's about cosmology" "This book isn't about jazz, it's about music"

[@asparagusoffice]

to be fair, the field of cosmology has really inflated over time

[@SSGTTailsJenkins]

I swear, when I first heard that line, I swear I heard, "It's not about the jews, it's about cosmology." That was one hell of a doubletake for me.

[@thelocalnecromancer1224]

@@SSGTTailsJenkins same.

[@dnsfsn]

@@asparagusoffice dank

[@8Rincewind]

@@SSGTTailsJenkins 8:12 "I checked the film thousands and thousands and thousands of time and there's just nothing about the geos in the film..." That's what the captions say that he says, but I'm still not convinced. For one thing "the geos" isn't something that's commonly said and doesn't sound like geocentrism. "The Jews" makes more grammatical sense. It also fits because, like Dan covers later on, he's a huge anti-semite. I think somehow his anti-Semitism was brought up and that quote is him trying to address that.

[@jaymethodus3421]

Love when the manager at Red Lobster comes to my table and tells me about bad documentaries about crackpot science.

[@MsMouse-on2od]

I don't think you understand how hard I laughed at your comment. Thank you for posting it.

[@SchoolRumble4ever22]

Same🤣

[@woodlefoof2]

As interesting as that was sir, it doesn’t change the fact my chicken was medium rare

[@burieddagger8064]

@@woodlefoof2 thats on you for orderiung chicken at red lobster

[@krusher181]

@@burieddagger8064 yeah woodle, it’s call red for a reason. Get salmonella, nerd.

[@CatMomMarina]

It's surreal watching a guy ask the most convoluted and confusing interview question ever and then proceed to say "As you can see, we were very forthcoming" hsuashuassuhsuah

[@kkyehh]

the part where sungenis says "moses wrote genesis chapter 1 therefore everything happened exactly as was written" is so damn wild to me. imagine if there were people 2000 years in the future who genuinely thought the events of Homestuck actually happened

[@alexanderfreeman3406]

It’s crazy because not even the people of ancient Judea thought Moses wrote Genesis. That idea was synthesized literally centuries later, no earlier that 200 CE.

[@methatis3013]

​@@alexanderfreeman3406it was traditionally believed that Moses wrote Genesis. But the oldest manuscript we have of Genesis as we know it (i.e. its entire form) dates to around 400BC. So idk where you got the year 200 from

[@alexanderfreeman3406]

@@methatis3013 I don’t know where you got the idea that there is a manuscript of Genesis “as we know it” dating to 400 BCE, but you are wildly misinformed. The earliest examples of Abrahamic writing are the famous “Dead Sea Scrolls” found in the Qumran caves, and the oldest of those are fragments and scraps that have been dated to 300 BCE at the earliest with the majority being centuries younger. And no, ancient Jews did not believe Moses wrote the Pentateuch. None of the books ever name an author, because they were an oral tradition passed from generation to generation. Their culture placed no importance on authorship. It was not until they came into contact with Hellenistic cultures starting around 200 CE that they began to start ascribing authorship to their writings. And it was around this time that Rabbis synthesized the belief that Moses wrote Deuteronomy, citing his “divine inspiration” for the Laws of Moses. Mosaic authorship then gradually expanded over the other four books.

[@JinStreams]

It's weird that they try to pretend fiction and artistic liberties are a new invention, not a fundamental part of the human condition.

[@erinw1566]

"wait, is dan interviewing himself? why isn't he just presenting normally? why does this feel so pretentiooooOOOHHH"

[@dumbsocrates]

Gotta be honest. Only checked the comment to make sure I wasn't the only one who had this exact same reaction. Thank you for the sanity reaffirmation.

[@IrisGlowingBlue]

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[@johannao4849]

My EXACT reaction!

[@figrollin]

Forgive me for being naive, is the joke here that this man is known for being pretentious?

[@stevenagelutton4322]

@@figrollin the joke becomes apparent like literally 2 and a half minutes into the video

[@RobertN734]

Uranus: "So ace that she doesn't understand the question and wishes everyone would stop asking." I shrieked, you've killed me.

[@TanyaItkin]

That was some quality representation

[@suasoria]

The representation we deserve

[@ehoofnagle7254]

Is the question in this context her sexuality? Or something else that I'm unaware of? I too am an ace who doesn't understand the question.

[@mutantfreak48]

@@ehoofnagle7254 its in reference to the "ur anus" joke, i think

[@theazetterberg514]

@@ehoofnagle7254 Yes, all about sexuality. If you pronounce Uranus a bit differently it sounds like 'your anus'. You know, butt stuff!

[@cbreezy1221121]

I've watched this video a dozen times now, and the way Dan says "straight, trans man. Married to the Sea" always kills me

[@monster3339]

"so ace that she doesnt even understand the question and wishes that everyone would stop asking" me.

[@mammoneymelon]

she's so relatable 💜

[@ParzivalTheThird]

It took me 5 minutes to realise that the entire intro in which he’s being interviewed, was actually him interviewing himself, just like the director of the movie did.

[@phastinemoon]

And, in the credit sequence, he gives himself a ton of titles (including professor and colonel) *mwah* love it.

[@maxpeterson8616]

He actually mirrored many of the techniques of the film. Masterful.

[@radiobob1908]

Congrats. It took me four viewings of the video.

[@qng3975]

My first time watch this channel so I just assumed that he is some really good professor and scientist

[@Nyitemare]

I literally only copped this on this watch through. Must be my 6th? Wonderful carry on

[@matthewjohnson1633]

Geocentrism is just applying "main character syndrome" to our planet.

[@YSN-Wi]

geocentrism is FACT my friend..

[@Dr.juiceboxtv]

​@@YSN-WiIn a relative sense. We'll always be the center of OUR universe because all the cameras and recording devices lead back to one point, our planet. Of course the universe will seem centered on us. But that's just the nature of perspective. It doesn't mean we're at the exact physical center of the universe. There may not even be a strict center.

[@JJ-qo7th]

@@YSN-Wi I hope you're not sincerely that crazy.

[@jupitervallehinestroza5095]

This is THE best way to explain it

[@lukasg4807]

I mean as far as I understand it, geo-centrism isn't wrong per se. The models of the solar system before gallileo accurately model and chart the universe, geocentrism models are what we use to make planetariums to this vert day. The only real difference is that geo-centrism is from the perspective of the earth instead of an outside one, neither is wrong, although the outside model looks a lot prettier than the squiggly orbits demanded by geo-centrism.

[@Spadernator]

One of the pettiest things in this that bothers me so much is when the director says "Oh no no no you can't say that" and is confused... it's because it's just wrong. People aren't objecting to it for any moral reason or to suppress it or whatever. It's just not a valid model, and hasn't been ever. We just know more now, have the ability to witness more. I know it's obviously not as bad as pretty much anybody else involved in the creation, but she's thrown her hat in with these people.

[@rigen97]

"The trailer is meant to be provocative!" People: _gets provoked_ "Why are they angry at us?"

[@nickchambers3935]

“I argue that this notion is damnable heresy” is how I’m going to start responding to everything I disagree with

[@samiraperi467]

HERESY DETECTED

[@asparagusoffice]

I'd argue that this notion is damnable heresy

[@RandomGuy0400]

BURN THE HERETICS, CLEANSE THEM IN HOLY FIRE

[@DesolatedChild018]

The notion that Holy Terra is the center of the universe is damnable heresy against The Imperial Truth! We must burn them for the glory of Our God-Emperor!

[@alpico8733]

@@asparagusoffice al

[@RKroese]

Its not about GEOcentrism. Its about EGOcentrism.

[@typhoonzebra]

Specifically anthrocentrism. The belief that humans are inexplicably special and so therefore must be their home, ideas, form etc.

[@ilan5821]

bazinga

[@thechronicnoizeco.6675]

It’s about making money off of stupid people.

[@lorichet]

Nothing's more egocentric than people who deny the real God and choose instead to be their own gods.

[@RKroese]

@@lorichet I think that would be the sum of it.

[@vaels5682]

40:30 "And he was inspired by god to do so. And inspired means it is inerrant and tells us the exact truth of what went on." No, that really is not at all what inspired means

[@paulmahoney7619]

Even if you go back before 2VC, the Catholic Church of 1950 was not the Catholic Church of 350. For one, the Catholic Church of 1950 accepted the French Republic as being a legitimate government despite not being ruled by a divinely ordained sovereign. We change, and our institutions change with us or are left behind, and our institutions change us in a neverending cycle that started as soon as the first conversation started.

[@None-Trick_Pony]

In this case, yes, that's what inspiration means. According to adherents of Abrahamic religions, divine inspiration is an idea given directly by God to man. Therefore, since it is directly God's word, it is inerrant. Think Moses receiving the Stone Tablets atop Mount Sinai. It's a classic case of the meaning of a word as used in a phrase (i.e. inspiration) being deprecated. I don't blame you for being confused by it; I've been mistaken by that very same thing. It's common enough that it's got a specific linguistic name that I can't recall. I just figured I correct you here. There are trillions of things wrong with The Principle, but this isn't one of them.

[@DreamPrinnySquad]

to this day what still confuses me is WHAT they told Kate Mulgrew. How do you get someone to do an entire VO narration for you geocentrism film and have the actor not know it’s a geocentrism film?

[@LiarJudas666]

I mean, she's an actress, not a science communicator. I don't hold it against her

[@DreamPrinnySquad]

@@LiarJudas666 Oh I absolutely don't hold it against her, these guys are proven conmen whose whole MO was tricking people into being in their stupid documentary. I'm honestly just wondering what lie they told her.

[@matthewtrujillo7228]

Based on what Dan says about the film, it sounds like Kate's stuff wasn't pushing geocentrism on its own but that it pushed it when paired with the interviews (as in if you just watched her sections it wouldn't sound geocentric).

[@The867530910]

You'd be surprised how easy it is to trick professionals into stuff like this. My archeology professor got tricked into being on ancient aliens. All they told him was that he would be interviewed about mesoamerican mythology for the history channel

[@DreamPrinnySquad]

@@The867530910 Oh that's sneaky. That's REAL sneaky.

[@Asylumrunner8]

Dan's really cornering the market on "soul crushing realizations that, yes, people are really like this", great work

[@alex0589]

Asylumrunner8 i miss being angry about movies

[@Jesse__H]

😂😂 I got a good laugh from that. You're not wrong.

[@Neddyhk]

@@alex0589 I mean, the only difference is that we *know* the people are garbage, and we aren't forced to infer it from their art.

[@NeedForMadnessSVK]

Seriously, every time some edgy Redditor comes along and says "Flat earthers and geocentrists are not real, its all just trolling, and you only hate them because you want to feel superior to someone" I want to do Ludovico Treatment with Dans videos.

[@Omenweaver]

That's Doctor Professor Colonel Dan Olson to you

[@LochNessHamster]

I love how among Sungenis' listed "worst sins" he does not list murder, rape, genocide, any type of violence, lying, or most of the Ten Commandments, but he does list homosexuality and divorce. So, would it be better to him if people just killed their partners instead of giving them a chance at finding happiness with someone else?

[@RoyalFusilier]

Yes. He has more in common with those fellows doing honor killings than he'd ever admit.

[@lukeh2556]

Rather not know the answer to that

[@Duiker36]

He's saying it would be better to kill him than fuck him. If you're a dude.

[@MrTokesu]

The Fable way. In the Fable games you get less evil (points, karma, whatever) from sacrificing your wife to the devil then from divorce.

[@MrJohndoakes]

@@Duiker36 aka "Death before GaySex."

[@gabby3036]

Imagine being *so* insecure, you try to make a documentary about how you really *are* the center of the universe.

[@TVAVStudios]

Men will literally make Pro-Geocentrist propaganda instead of going to therapy.

[@kkeithf]

Imagine being so ingrained that the footage of India landing on the moon seems legit.

[@JohnSmith-ve9gx]

@@TVAVStudios you want to chop your wiener off don’t you

[@Geospasmic]

**watches entire video with great interest, gaining a greater understanding of rhetorical tactics** **jumps for joy to find out Uranus is Ace as fuck**

[@BrutalSnuggles]

I love how they refer to Science as if it's some sort of shadowy, evil corporation 🤣

[@saggybobby3733]

Everybody knows that when you become a scientist, the illuminati will force you to either join them or die. Don't play dumb 🙄

[@eneyavorodecky]

Big science™ :) most of them tried to go into science and we're either bad at it or were kicked out for being bad at it.... or couldn't even enter the field. :)

[@joshuareynolds23]

Very few people think that they are some evil corp. Most people just rightly assume that these people are biased and, that the studies they present are often flawed methodologically. Their sample sizes are often poor. They assume correlation constantly even if other factors could account for it. Their control groups are laughable and, they often reach the wrong conclusions based on the data.

[@ekki1993]

@@joshuareynolds23 And science studies that too, which is the only reason why you know about it (and exaggerate it to make a point).

[@joshuareynolds23]

@@ekki1993 lol science isnt a monolith nor is it infallible. The way you people treat it is like a religion. They very well may study it but, I in no way exaggerated it. I stated very plainly what happens daily or, should I cite how those three scientists manipulate the system by introducing absolutely ridiculous studies that appealed to the political bias of these supposedly reputable scientific journals?

[@v0Xx60]

I am endlessly amused/frustrated with the idea that "all opinions are equally valid'. No. No they are not.

[@tigervigesaa1866]

The important part is the 'opinions'. In their mind facts don't matter only opinions do and their opinions are more valid than others.

[@v0Xx60]

@@tigervigesaa1866 That's what happens when someone conflates "having the right to an opinion" with "all opinions are equally valid".

[@fossilfighters101]

+

[@EliteTeamKiller2.0]

Then this ought to aggravate you: whether the sun is orbiting the earth or the earth is orbiting the sun is, with respect to physics, entirely a choice of convenience. Both coordinate system choices are equally valid, and each has different advantages for different tasks. For describing all the large bodies in the solar system, the sun as the origin of the coordinate system is much easier mathematically. For describing the heavenly bodies from a telescope, choosing the earth as the origin of the coordinate system is much easier. The truth is, THERE IS NO PREFERRED REFERENCE FRAME. All reference frames are valid. This is called the principle of relativity. It is among the most solid pieces of physics known to humanity. Where the cranks make a mistake, however, is assuming ONE PARTICULAR frame of reference is "truer" than any other (they assume the "Earth is the center" choice of coordinates is the "true" one). In reality, THERE IS no "true" coordinate system. There are only choices of convenience.

[@seacue9417]

@@EliteTeamKiller2.0 The debate on weather or not the Earth is the center of the universe is one that has metaphysical consequences and is extremely important. It's not true, and yes, that matters.

[@tyranosurasmax]

In all fairness, Michio Kaku will appear on anything that he is invited too. He literally went on TV and implied that the Earth's core reversed. He quite often misrepresents the current state of scientific consensus in order to get on television. Yes, he is a very accomplished scientist. However, being an accomplished scientist does not have a correlation to critical thinking abilities. For example, Linus Pauling created and perpetuated the vitamin C immune-boosting bulshit myth, Deepak Chopra was a very well-respected neuroscientist until he started conflating his work with Quantum Mechanics for some reason, Etc.

[@Loquacious_Jackson]

Ok, but how does that prove space exists?

[@MegaVidFan1]

27:45 After rewatching this video again and again, I finally can translate this paragraph simply. "Turns out, Cancel Culture has always existed! If Christians became dominant again, like in Reagan's Era, then Cancel Culture will stop oppressing us (for being mean to gay people) and go back to oppressing them! (For being gay)" He literally says the quiet part loudly. Or at least writes it in plain text. He just utilizes the same tactic you show later, where he says so many words you lose track of what he means and so it seems more sensible.

[@jlkjlkjkljklj9162]

"He's 95% okay with the Vatican II" Me: "He's not okay with the Jews part is he" Edit: trust me, nothing important is happening in the answers to this comment. It started with joking mild antisemitism that the person regretted fairly quickly, and now there's someone who just mentioned pronouns and how ridiculous it is that people care about them. No one has mentioned pronouns. It's an obvious troll. Also, someone has been called a nazi? Seriously, we could lose this entire thread and nothing of value would be lost.

[@LucasDeziderio]

I mean... Is anyone really okay with the jews thing? (jk)

[@spencerlively3049]

​@@LucasDeziderio Yes. Everyone except Nazis. Also, of course I don't know anything about you or your intentions nor do I know if this was intentional or actually just a (bad) joke, but the rhetorical use of comedy to inoculate antisemitism from criticism is /extremely/ common among neo-nazis. They do this so they can portray their critics as irrational and therefore not worth listening to - regardless of the validity of their criticism. The youtuber "Shaun" has a video illustrating this with regard to the Charlottesville rally in 2018. I recommend giving it a watch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJTSin6rpM6IqLs

[@Gekkibi]

@@spencerlively3049 I wanted to say that you must be fun at parties, but I also don't want to lie... PS. just to be pedantic about it, not all anti-semites are nazis...

[@LucasDeziderio]

@@spencerlively3049 Hm, fuck. You're right. I am deeply sorry for that. It was a joke, but I didn't think about the implications. Fuck neo-nazis. All love to Shaun.

[@yoavsnake]

@@LucasDeziderio Yeah sorry about that, Jew jokes can get real salty because there's A TON of genuine nazis in comments. Just this week I found some guy that thought the protocols of zion are real

[@skaruts]

I tried interviewing myself once, but I found out I don't have an agent, and so I couldn't reach myself.

[@sdrawkcab_emanresu]

I contacted myself, but I didn't got an answer yet. We barley talk to each other

[@ExhaustedWombat]

Scheduling conflicts with me. It’s been a nightmare

[@gavart4509]

Wait until you realize you’re not even qualified

[@ThexDynastxQueen]

The booking fee for myself was too high so I had to decline.

[@nukiradio]

I just didnt want to disturb myself

[@AugustSequoia]

24:22 this guy says all the worst sins in the world are sex. Sex with no baby, undoing a consequence of sex, not being married and therefore not having sex, having too much sex, and gay sex. Either this guy's wife has a rewards membership with Adam and Eve, or his search history is a comprehensive guide to kink culture.

[@coke_the_gal2813]

or he's just a hateful bigot

[@haceofspades7682]

I've always found it so weird how fundamentalists see sex as, like, the worst thing anyone could possibly do ever, it's so weird and bizzare

[@edgarallenhoe3518]

Christian morality is largely based on the idea that enjoying things is inherently bad and denying yourself enjoyable things is inherently good.

[@WhatAmySays]

Man, once you scratch the surface of any conservative idea you always find "the world has a strict hierarchy and white Christian men belong at the top" underneath

[@bobthegamingtaco6073]

To be fair, conservative generally means they don't want things to change, and white Christian man on top was how things were for a very long time. (Don't get me wrong, I want that to change freaking yesterday, but they don't all necessarily want to put white Christian man on top, some of them just don't want things to change)

[@tinygrove7623]

me when im wrong

[@escthedark3709]

@@bobthegamingtaco6073 This. Particularly as it relates to culture. Having grown up in the south, I didn't associate the confederate flag with slavery or racism until I was an adult and realized that many people found it highly offensive. To me, it symbolized my culture and a rebellious spirit, not any hatred for black people or love of slavery. I don't like that that has changed, but expressing that often gets the very reaction seen above.

[@heartpng]

saying Mars is "bi but almost exclusively dates men" is just, so valid.

[@EmeraldLavigne]

That's my bf, honestly. Lol

[@TheAgamemnon911]

He can't mean the roman or greek god, though. That guy was deffo straight. (And almost as much a playa as Jupiter)

[@moddydhu2939]

@@TheAgamemnon911 are you tryna say that the greco-roman pantheon wasnt intensely homoerotic ?

[@TheAgamemnon911]

@@moddydhu2939 No... I just looked up his list of sexual encounters and found that they are predominantly (or even exclusively? Hard to tell with some of the names) women. But you're right, there were not many straight gods in that particular pantheon.

[@k8g8s8]

@@TheAgamemnon911 This is just for fun so don't take it too seriously. Though I took a class on erotica in the ancient Greek and Roman world that discussed this but in war there were many sexual and romantic relationships between men and was very normal. "Cesar is every woman's man and every man's woman" was said by Cesar's teacher- so even if in the myth the god has hetaro relationships the institution of war was very very homosexual in the society that worshipped him. So I would say that is very "bi but mostly dates men" energy.

[@ezranian]

I don’t think these people get that “not proven” and “disproven” are very different things

[@ayyylmao101]

Indeed! Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence... but evidence of guilt is evidence of guilt. There is plenty of evidence against geocentrism XD

[@gyozanomics]

@@ayyylmao101 absence of evidence can only lead to the conclusion that you shouldn't assume anything at all so scientifically speaking, it is evidence of absence

[@essay2111]

​@@gyozanomics not really, absence of evidence is basically saying "really anything is possible", while evidence of absence is saying "bro this is flat out wrong no other way about it".

[@coryharasha]

@@ayyylmao101 Regarding geocentrism, it depends on your beliefs about the nature of spacetime. From a general relativity perspective, the center is anywhere you want it to be as everything is just relative to that frame of reference. That is, a solar system where the Sun goes around the Earth and the planets go around the Sun is equally predictive of the observations as all planets going around the Sun. Although the latter is easier to visualize and calculate as the planetary movements follow more complex patterns than an elliptical orbit from the perspective of the Earth.

[@Chevsilverado]

@@gyozanomics In this context they’re saying, “we don’t have a 100% answer on this specific topic, so despite all of the other evidence we conclude that the we are right”. The absence of specific evidence doesn’t mean that the opposite of all other evidence is now true, it means that it is up in the air until the evidence is proven. The absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence, like others have said. Big big difference.

[@Connanro]

As someone who was home-schooled K-12, I am forever grateful that a) my mother home-schooled for Autism Reasons (e.g. having a horrible public school experience due to being autistic) and b) she was completely comfortable acknowledging that evolution was actually accepted by a number of prominent Christian scholars and never had us study/engage with "Creationist science." Which may be partially attributed to the fact that her favourite areas of science were chemistry and astronomy and we never went into much origins literature, but whatever. I always get something of a kick out of the controversy Galileo/Copernicus/Brahe and their contemporaries were embroiled in given the fact that the ancient Greeks (hello, Eratosthenes!) knew the earth orbited the sun. Also, you are SO right about the planets' LGBTQ alignments. So delightful! Finally, an EXPERT has spoken the truth!!!!!!!!

[@EmiStar070]

Honestly almost everyone with an understanding of astronomy was heliocentric. It's apparently pretty clear if you study the stars enough. Idk enough to explain further

[@i.cs.zamodits]

In that form it isn't true. Erathostenes calculated the circumference of the Earth, the ancient greec heliocentrist theory was another guy namely Aristarchus. And it wasn't that widely accepted, keep in mind the geocentric theory what was accepted trought late antiquity and medieval history was created by a 2nd century Alexandria guy. They didn't actually "know" the Sun was in the center, most of the math of these people is off, to the point that heliocentrism isn't proovable by it, it's more of a lucky guess than "knowing". We didn't have definitive proof of heliocentrism till the mid 18th century. In the subject of the math being wrong, having no definitive proof and the whole thing amounting to a lucky guess... I know that in hindsight Galileo was closer to the truth than contemporaries, but the thing is, he was wrong. He tought planets orbit the Sun in a circle (instead of in an elypsis) and that made his theory in practice observably wrong. Brahe's model was closer to the observable reality. Galileo's main argument for the Earth movement was that "the tides are a result of the movement of the Earth", in hindsight he seems more correct, but he was still wrong.

[@jameshart2622]

​@@i.cs.zamoditsI've never seen a serious scientist defend Galileo's theory of the tides. It was obviously wrong when he proposed it, it was considered wrong while the whole helio/geocentric debate went down, and then Newton's mechanics and gravity found the real reason and showed that yep, he was wrong about the tides. Sometimes the establishment really does get it right. The simple fact of the matter is that when Galileo was alive, there just wasn't enough evidence one way or the other to decide whether the Earth or the Sun moved. Galileo was technically less wrong, but for the wrong reasons. And he actively ignored evidence that would have helped his case in favor of his crackpot ideas. (His theory of tides was very crackpot, even while his study of mechanics was sound.) It's a fascinating bit of history, and read properly, I think it's a cautionary tale for all involved.

[@i.cs.zamodits]

@@jameshart2622 Yeah, between his cracpot ideas, and getting in trouble for being an unprofessiobal asshole instead if his theories, he really is more of a cautiobary tale. Sad that the actual events take a backseat to the "Church vs Science" bs what surounds his life. Giordano Bruno abs Semmelweis is similar in this regard. If course there are huge difference, with Beuro not actually being a scientist, and Semmelweis being a lot more complicated. But there is a similarity in how the reality of their situation takes a backseat to the mostly incorrect narrative made out of the events.

[@homemovelha4173]

I am agnostic but i will say it: you can't be a christian and believe in evolution, because evolution contradicts genesis and to be a christian you must believe that the bible is, either fully or partially, inspired by god.

[@teddy3k3]

24:39 The "sin problem" is that people think they need a higher power (ie the church) to stop people from sinning. If you need senpai to shame you from being morally corrupt, you are morally corrupt already. Sungenis really just revealed how reprehensible he is.

[@Hifuutorian]

See, these people don't disagree with that. Original Sin and the damage it has done to the human psyche is insane.

[@TurtleTracksStudio]

The idea that people think there'd be no morality without religion is baffling. It's actually a little scary

[@boltlight1244]

​@@TurtleTracksStudioThey basically think that empathy and sympathy don't exist. Generally we define things as wrong based on the harm it causes either to an individual or society at large. If morality doesn't exist without religion then they're basically saying that empathy is a concept that humans don't posess and that we have to create a sort of "artificial empathy" for society to even function (under thier broken moral compass of course).

[@blazernitrox6329]

Even more baffling to me is the argument that "people are sinful" somehow leads to "democracy will never work." My brother in christ, the Magna Carta - the thing that _pioneered_ the Westernized idea of democracy - was specifically created to _keep_ the King's "sin problem" in check.

[@zubetp]

yeah, that's the crux of why religious people hate nonreligious people. nick diramio did a comedy review of the movie "god's not dead" and in it, one character's ongoing challenge is trying to convince an atheist professor that god is real. one of his arguments is just that: if there is no god, we can just murder people, right?!? the confident statement that you'd murder people if god wouldn't notice is fascinating and bizarre. like, i'm sorry _you_ have no respect for your lord's creations, but that sounds like a _you_ problem.

[@gmelodie]

I love how the documentary uses the word "revolution" to talk about the so-called comeback of the geocentric idea, when the word "revolution" was _created_ by Copernicus when he debunked this very same idea.

[@michaelshultz2199]

It came full sphere

[@novethegreat]

You win the internet today sirs

[@Nate-bd8fg]

Well that's hella amazing

[@MorningMeasure]

similar energy to flat earth societies claiming they have members all across the globe

[@jdlech]

This tactic was adopted by large segments of the ultra right wing. 40 years ago, wrapping a right wing argument in the rhetoric of it's critics was something only a few ever tried. 30 some odd years ago, adoption of this tactic was a raging debate. Today, they spew it all over every forum they can find. For instance, white supremacists have taken the rhetoric of the black civil rights movement, and even the Jewish rhetoric. Thus we now constantly hear about "the white holocaust", and "white oppression". But when you sit down to listen to their argument, it's the same tired arguments against mixed race marriage and not being able to treat black people as they did before the civil war is somehow oppressing them. The media is full of examples of this tactic being used

[@royalnobody7703]

"It's not about geocentrism, it's about cosmology" i'm not trying to build a bomb, i'm practicing chemistry

[@leomuller2841]

bars

[@neoqwerty]

@@leomuller2841 oh my god you're right

[@jordannewbold8769]

Please refrain from vagueposting about @ExplosionsAndFire

[@janesmith1840]

Your honor, it wasn't a meth lab, I just had all the ingredients for **making** meth

[@merrittanimation7721]

I’m not murdering people, I’m learning about anatomy

[@auntieelaine]

I love the opening of this video. I've literally watched it dozens of times. It's one of my "comfort videos."

[@bagfullofbees2529]

Same, I've watched dozens of Folding Ideas videos dozens of times.

[@teddy3k3]

I always hated when idiots use the term "balanced discussion" and "we need to hear all sides". The arguments of a religious crackpot will NEVER have the same weight as that of a scientist. One has evidence.

[@diewott1337]

We need to hear all sides, doesn't mean I won't laugh at the stupid one 😂

[@jacobnoelle8428]

Religious group haven't invented technology on a grand scale like science has.

[@HappyCodingZX]

"The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts. While the stupid ones are full of confidence." - Charles Bukowski's quote becomes more relevant every day.

[@pastlife960]

Classic Dunning-Kruger Effect :/

[@HappyCodingZX]

@@pastlife960 science is the means by which the truth is discovered, whereas religion is the means by which the truth is decided.

[@zakpodo]

Wasnt that bertrand russell? But if that was a joke, nice one. And If im way off base, just consider it exhibit A.

[@HappyCodingZX]

@@zakpodo that last quote I just came up with, but I do love Russell, and paraphrasing him here is equally appropriate : "When in pursuit of the truth, never let yourself be diverted by what you wish to believe", i.e don't start with the conclusion you want and work backwards finding evidence to support it. Instead, use the scientific method, start with a theory and look for evidence to debunk it.

[@badquestion4785]

The oldie but still true: the more I learn, the less I know.

[@ajgnexus]

"this book isn't about eugenics, it's about changes in our understanding of human genealogy"

[@Burt1038]

Eugenics works though; we simply are uncomfortable with that fact, for a variety of reasons, not the least which is a certain guy with a funny mustache.

[@durshurrikun150]

@@Burt1038 As if you libs are any different from the nazis

[@MakusinMeringue]

It's not loot boxes, it's surprise mechanics.

[@phoenix1900]

@@Burt1038 you can’t be actually trying to justify eugenics right?

[@Burt1038]

@@phoenix1900 Justify? I mean, the evidence is pretty obvious. BTW, Eugenics is practiced almost universally, at least informally.

[@TubeTAG]

> "Uranus?" "So Ace that she doesn't understand the question and wishes everyone would stop asking." What a way to end a video!

[@joshuapatrick682]

Props on opening the whole bit with a fake interview of yourself…thats the kind of subtle meta-ness that i appreciate.

[@vowgallant4049]

When did "controversial" come to be a softener for things that are obviously bad or stupid? When did everyone need a seat at the table? "Science says that I need food and water to survive, but I think I can live solely off eating bars of soap. Science says it can disprove that, but I say all of this is controversial. Also, I am being silenced for thought crimes. Big food doesn't want you to know about soap!"

[@joedatius]

BIG FOOD KEEPS TRYING TO TELL US TO NOT DRINK BLEACH WHAT IS IT THAT THEY DONT WANT US TO KNOW!?

[@asparagusoffice]

as someone who is bad and stupid I must contest this opinion to preserve my political voice

[@omnichrome9784]

You say this as a joke, but there is a real group of people who call themselves “Breatharians” and claim you can live off air alone (at least eventually - they, of course, don’t all agree on how come to this result and yes, it’s cult(ish) and has scam/grifter components).

[@isaiahsimmons5776]

being silenced for doin your mom doin your mom u know we straight up doin your mom

[@subforspace]

I love this take. Ur my big food now...cmere

[@parkermccarthy4265]

"This is not about geocentrism" "SCIENCE HAS EVIDENCE THAT EARTH IS THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE"

[@nbriez-c5914]

What?

[@nob2243]

@@nbriez-c5914 SAY WHAT AGAIN, I DARE YOU

[@nbriez-c5914]

@@nob2243 whwhwhwh what

[@xxxsaraHelloxxx]

True that

[@strrawberrytekken3698]

"SCIENCE HAS FOUND EVIDENCE OF GOD" Fixed/edited for mah boi Nathan Lloyd

[@nfinn42]

Catherine Thomas talking at 13:00 onwards is unintentionally providing perhaps the best demonstration of the both-sides fallacy ever put on film 🙄 the idea that journalism is about taking some sort of median among all possible positions is the utterest tripe. If you thought about it for even a second, you would realize that this type of reporting will automatically incentivize dishonesty and fraud. As has been said better elsewhere, if you're a journalist, and one side is saying it's raining and the other is saying its sunny, your job *isn't* to take the average and declare it "partly cloudy". Your job is to look out a window, *see which one is true* , and say so. It's hard to tell from this footage if she's willfully deceitful about this or just a complete rube, but she's definitely at least one and/or the other, not neither.

[@Hifuutorian]

Exactly this.

[@AliceBowie]

Everyone knows the earth and sun revolve around Pluto. Also, pluto is a sentient robot skull.

[@InvincibleWereWeasel]

The last minute of this video is a gem and it’s illegal for anyone to skip it

[@bioticjedi3864]

I'm downloading this video just to save that gem

[@platinummyrr]

Absolutely unacceptable to skip

[@NameAvailable]

Is there a point to the part about the planets’ and moons’ genders and sexual orientations? Like, I thought it was funny, but am I missing something? Is it just all made up for fun?

[@bioticjedi3864]

@@NameAvailable I think it's just to illustrate how ridiculous the geocentrists and astrologists and shit are about how they spew bs but with convictions so it sounds authoritative and correct?

[@NameAvailable]

@@bioticjedi3864 fuck, you’re right. He’s back in the documentary mode so it’s exactly what you said meant as a dig, like the intro is. Thank you

[@bengolious]

The secret to rocking a lobster-patterned shirt is to make sure it contrasts with a plain background. I'm learning so much today.

[@naysaykiller928]

Rock lobster?

[@robohand]

I tried, but I can't imagine a situation (besides the aforementioned one and at a lobster restaurant) where a lobster-patterned shirt wouldn't feel tacky. Well done!

[@workinprogress008]

Pretty sure it's a visual ode to JP.

[@bengolious]

@@workinprogress008 That sounds so plausible I wish I'd thought of it myself. Although in my defence most of what JP says is so blandly forgettable that sometimes some nonsense slips through and fails to register.

[@88marome]

I didn't even notice the shirt until you pointed it out.

[@DonoGaming]

it’s so weird that some christians are mad about jesus being killed. wasn’t that like, the whole point? wasn’t that his entire plan from the beginning? if jesus wasn’t killed wouldn’t that completely get rid of the whole “died for our sins” thing

[@jacobely6826]

you see, thats the interesting phenomenon we like to call "christians enjoy acting self righteous" if they can find a cause to be angry about that involves them, boy howdy you're gonna find a bunch of angry christians on that topic.

[@fiskersproductions]

There exists the period correct "book of Judas" which implies that it was Jesus's plan for Judas to betray him in order for jesus to ascend. Of course it's not canonized so take it how you will

[@AlyssaCPA]

the last few seconds about the planets sexualities is so real honestly tumblr would be quaking rn over your headcanons

[@bobthegamingtaco6073]

That segment is how I first realized that Dan is both extremely online and incredibly based

[@bitchbokchoy]

The closing sequence in which you state the sexual orientation of celestial bodies in an extremely confident manner is exactly the kind of brain massage I needed after Selbrede's statement where he p*ssyfoots around the topic and ends by basically saying "We won't kill people for being gay. We'll kill them for acting gay in front of witnesses"

[@asparagusoffice]

if Uranus ever acts like a flaming fruit around me again I might commit a hate crime

[@DesolatedChild018]

It’s such an uniquely catholic flavor of fundamentalism. Might as well just said: “We won’t have to do anything, we expect them to be physically crushed by guilt at the confession booth”.

[@ConvincingPeople]

@@DesolatedChild018 Minor correction that Christian Reconstructionists are (at least typically) Calvinists, but they dress and act like and hang out with really extreme tradcaths, so… eh, same hat?

[@goawayihavecommentstomake1488]

It sounds like a sensible compromise.

[@kiri101]

I think it's important to understand their view on homosexuality is as pre-Liberalism and pre-modernity as many of their other views. You may notice a strain of 'homosexuals don't exist' common to other religious fundamentalists, this is because to these people homosexuality is not a quality of a being but purely an act (and a sinful one). There's an amusing parallel between their antiquated view of sexuality and a more broadly historical view that sexuality was about acts, not identities.

[@iwillworkharder]

The "That's your reality" talking point exposes how many people have just tried to awkwardly shut down conversations with this man and it is *embarrassing* watching him assume that this is a universally relatable experience.

[@Narokkurai]

Yeah at a certain point a person's position becomes so insane that really the only response is, "Well you clearly live in an entirely different reality than I do, so I hope that works out for you."

[@suezuccati304]

The only person who ever said "That's your reality" to me was when I showed my ultra conservative mom the part of the bible where god orders for mass child murder. If that's a thing you toss around or other people toss around at you, you're probably totally unhinged.

[@turnonthebrightlight]

Goated comment

[@rolfanderson3925]

Exactly what I thought. I’ve never heard anyone say that before. So cringe.

[@Blitzbrie]

Bingo. The lack of self awareness with these people man i swear

[@NiGHTcapD]

We are certainly the center of the observable universe...because we are the eye of the observer.

[@CountingStars333]

How did you enter the link there

[@Somtaaw7]

The funniest shit I think is that they're all like "Isnt it weird we're in the center of the CMB?" Yeah... that's what happens when you take a picture. YOU ARE IN THE CENTER OF THAT PICTURE.

[@Evan7MCPE]

24:15 I do love how his list of worst sins in the 1940's contains things like homosexuality, contraception and promiscuity... but not... I don't know, genocide? War? Racism? I love how accidentally revealing these people sometimes are.

[@SineN0mine3]

Considering thay Genocide, War and Racism have all been church policies at one time or another, its not that strange. You can't be doing crusades and calling genocide a sin, you'd look.like a hypocrit!

[@pablopereyra7126]

@@SineN0mine3 Glad we're past that atleast

[@uwuingallnight7381]

can't forget him leaving out p*dophilia, which is ultimately made worse by what was revealed abou the catholic church

[@soulmechanics7946]

It is deliberately accidental. Bending truth is built into the design of their indoctrination. This is how they get away with being an overt deception.. by not really lying. Most people only see the distractions and totally deject the implications.

[@fanboy50]

Nevermind World War II, the Church had just finished calling the efforts of Spanish Fascists to overthrow a leftist republic a righteous crusade and giving their backing to it. Why would someone that thinks Vatican II was a mistake think war is a bad thing? The only thing Sungenis probably thinks Franco did wrong was not killing more 'undesireables'.

[@heliopyre]

"why are they attacking this one theory that has been proven false and not these other theories which haven't?"

[@CleverChrononaut]

That and geocentrism involves making assumptions that the earth is significant. Science is about having a hypothesis and testing it to find out if it holds. If it continues to hold then it becomes a theory, which could still be wrong. It's not about wanting something to be true. It's just discovering what is and what is not and being open to new discoveries that prove old theories incomplete or wrong.

[@Wholecorpze]

What stuck out to me in that section was comparing String Theory to geocentrism. I'm a big PBS Spacetime guy (great space/physics YT channel) and I would say that while string theory is mathematically valid, it is controversial to people who understand it. A documentary presenting string theory as fact without additional evidence would be controversial, in the literal sense, that there is active disagreement on the issue. Side note: One of the ugly mugs talking mentioned that 'oh that's just your reality" or some such. Yeah that's how general relativity works, observer reference frame is really important at massive or near lightspeed scales. Its neat, stop being weird about it, 'Dr.' Wrongaboutthings

[@malenfant21m]

You mean "Why are they attacking the only one that is not a scientific theory?"

[@happinesstan]

@@CleverChrononaut The earth is significant, to those that reside upon it' surface.

[@Hootkins.]

@@malenfant21m It _was_ a scientific theory but was disproven which is what heliopyre is talking about.

[@birb7353]

The ending bit tho, "so ace she doesn't understand the question and wishes everyone would just stop asking." That's me. That's me! I've questioned if I'm bi or pan because I'm equally disinterested in all people, but anytime I ask myself "Is there any circumstance in which you'd ever sleep with any person?", the answer is always NOPE. I just feel so understood!

[@Sir_Bucket]

Glad to know you've been able to figure yourself out :)

[@birb7353]

@@Sir_Bucket Aww, thank you!

[@randomtangle4629]

22:25 I feel like a lot of Catholic reform can be summed up with “I guess better late than never?”, lol.

[@pretzelbomb6105]

The fewer gangs of wannabe crusaders murdering Jews in the Bavarian countryside, the better.

[@SpoopySquid]

Vatican II and the recent Synod, definitely

[@randalalansmith9883]

When my older brothers came home with bloody knuckles, my mom sent them to public school. I never saw the inside of a church.

[@CaptWesStarwind]

“I don't accept the currently fashionable assertion that any view is automatically as worthy of respect as any equal and opposite view. My view is that the moon is made of rock. If someone says to me 'Well, you haven't been there, have you? You haven't seen it for yourself, so my view that it is made of Norwegian Beaver Cheese is equally valid' - then I can't even be bothered to argue." - Douglas Adams

[@elizabethlockhart2103]

What are these bots that I keep seeing. It's like, obvious they're bots based on their profile and images but this response seems like it could almost be a response to this comment.

[@Spamhard]

@@elizabethlockhart2103 What about their profile and image is bot like? It's probably just a dude who doesn't use youtube much. Account was made many years ago which isn't bot like at all.

[@elizabethlockhart2103]

@@Spamhard The comment is gone now, but there WAS a reply to this comment that was a bot. Not the op here lol.

[@Spamhard]

@@elizabethlockhart2103 Oooh that makes way more sense. Yeah the porn bots are rabid atm, I'm reporting like 5+ accounts a day. It's wild.

[@onyxiris6451]

It's literally just attempting to give validity to appeals to ignorance. It's Hitchens' razor - any conclusion that can be freely asserted can be freely deserted.

[@stvbrsn]

“...the forces that are arrayed against us...” Those insidious, horrifying, irrepressible forces... of logic, discernment, skepticism, first principles and scientific method.

[@riley8385]

And also jews. A lot of these lunatic types uncritically repeat nazi rhetoric, which is unsurprising.

[@lolimmune]

Logic is pretty aggressive

[@g.strobl4458]

@@riley8385 unsurprising, yes, but also pretty depressing.

[@eneyavorodecky]

"they are trying to suppress us!!!" after they aired their ridiculous movie... so... the strategy of Big them™ is to... *checks notes* give them enough rope to hang themselves and allow the movie to be published and shared, so everybody can see it and die laughing? Well... okay, that is clearly working? :) P.p. edited for stupid typos

[@jeremylee48]

“I am the protagonist of this reality. It is up to me and me only to fight this battle many so oblivious about.” He’s a conceited narcissistic attention-seeker that’s all.

[@z_skandana]

Uranus is not the ace representation I was expecting, but I am glad to find another ace icon.

[@GabeMillerMusic]

Fun fact: This is probably not your first time watching this video. Source: I and other commenters have watched this video way too many times

[@Packbat]

It's kinda interesting how completely the whole thing circles back to what they said in the trailer: they are desperate for the universe itself to place them on a pedestal of cosmic significance, and they need the earth to be the center of the universe because it's what they use as proof they matter. As opposed to, like, people being wonderful and fascinating things which we treasure for what they are.

[@Bluecho4]

Even within a Christian worldview, it seems profoundly sad. We're told that God loves us, regardless of our faults and failures, and created each of us individually and with purpose. You would think that would be enough to reassure a believer that they, personally, matter. Unless, of course, you're secretly a bigot that feels profoundly dissatisfied with the idea that God doesn't just love you, He also loves all the "sinners" and "lessers" that surround you. That you are special in much the same way as everyone else, and should treat them with a corresponding level of kindness and respect. And you can't have that, now can you? How can you be special if everyone else - including the Jews, homosexuals, etc. - also are?

[@karoliinalehtinen6701]

Well they can't believe that can they? Like they said, they believe deep down all people are sinful, so if we live on a random planet in a random corner of the universe, we have no value in their eyes.

[@5nefarious]

@@Bluecho4 Damn... That makes an uncomfortable amount of sense.

[@perchy22]

@@Bluecho4 It's interesting to me (as an atheist and naturalist), that a world view that accepts the universe as largely being as described by current science and also believes in a god like the Abrahamic God, it would actually exemplify the love of that god if they loved each individual of such a seemingly small species on just yet another planet. That god may love everything yet still personally love each thing on its own merits, and none are insignificant to this god. There are still issues of the "If God is omnipotent and benevolent, then where does evil come from?" sort, but I think my antitheist streak would hardly exist if the religious consistently went down that sort of road.

[@zakesters]

@@perchy22 Their obsession with irrelevant (from a religious point of view) cosmological concerns does seem to me to arise from a weakness of faith. Speaking from a Christian point of view, Earth is the "center" because we should be centered on God, which also means, on our neighbors, who live here on Earth. Physical investigations into the nature and movements of the celestial bodies is the proper domain of (for real peer-accredited) scientists, who naturally should operate autonomously (within reason--I could have done without thermonuclear weapons, thank you very much, though I guess that's not really _their_ fault...) Attempts at controlling science is invariably bad for religion: fundamentalism, the worst modern pathology in religion, is a notable "boomerang effect" of such attempts.

[@1492irina]

"Dude, that's your reality" dude, that's code for "i am being talked at by a crazy person and I don't want to disagree with them because they might make a scene"

[@Rinne_is_real]

It's like talking to a black hole, tiring and futile.

[@sydssolanumsamsys]

@@Rinne_is_real ...is talking to a black hole tiring?

[@Rinne_is_real]

@@sydssolanumsamsys indubitably

[@jaynestrange]

Some stoner told him "that's your reality" in college & he had no good response so it's lived rent-free in his head ever since.

[@jaynestrange]

@@sydssolanumsamsys Only if you expect a response.

[@pear-head]

Found ur channel from autoplay yesterday and have been going through them whenever I have a break. First time autoplay gave me a gem of a channel in years.

[@RAYNINGMAKER]

35:58 Krauss says here that the structure of the microwave background strangely aligns with the plane of rotation of the earth around the sun. He's talking about the doppler effect here. The half of the microwave background that we are currently moving towards appears slightly hotter than the part we are moving away from, this there is a symmetry that aligns with this plane of rotation. This is Astronomy 101 as in the course I learned about this was literally called "Astronomy 101: an Introduction to Astronomical Principles and Practices". Krauss was absolutely taken out of context here. And the sad thing is that there is actually a really interesting discussion about the cosmological standard model to be had here. The microwave background is way WAY more isotropic than we would expect. They just don't get this far because they take a quote about the wee-woo wagen effect wildly out of context to push their admittedly reactionary and in parts antisemitic talking points.

[@maol2038]

I need like an extended 5 hour cut of Dan Olson naming planet sexualities, absolutely brilliant

[@degeneratemale5386]

That’s a weird documentary about cosmology I would support

[@loorthedarkelf8353]

Me too

[@CainXVII]

Seconded

[@Actinide5013]

Ayo where my Joviansexual homies at?

[@gabby3036]

@@Actinide5013 I laughed *and* I learned (not in that order).

[@dylanchouinard6141]

I’m enjoying Dan’s *burgeoning* new series “Conspiracy Theories are all secretly far-right politics,” can’t wait for the four hour video about ancient aliens

[@morganrobinson8042]

I know I've seen that on this site. Can't remember who did it.

[@NicholasMarshall]

Just wait till he covers alien visitations.. and how they oddly stopped after the invention of the smartphone..

[@Elneco1]

I know angie speaks did a good video on conspiracy theories (before she went off the deep end which is a shame)

[@therealfinnaspring8585]

Its so true though. My mom claims she is an independent but she believes all these conspiracy theories that place her far right she is just in denial.

[@kingofthings7929]

@@morganrobinson8042 Atun-Shei did a video about it and made the same link.

[@Force-hiddenmasquerade]

The Earth isn’t flat or the center of the universe, but it is Gay

[@sapnupua5]

just learned what a school i went to showed us clips from... we watched those animated clips on history, theres no way any of the parents knew because there would have been pushback to showing us clips from literally a geocentric movie 💀

[@LtGregoryStevens]

Anime pfp equals no opinion

[@sapnupua5]

@@LtGregoryStevens lol its not from an anime

[@bluegreenmagenta]

I love his "consider the lobster" shirt

[@imveryangryitsnotbutter]

Hey Sakamoto, since you can talk now, have you ever considered picking up a phone and contacting child services?

[@paulgauntlet7921]

I have that exact shirt. Love it

[@hmc5208]

David Foster Wallace fans rise up

[@bluegreenmagenta]

@@imveryangryitsnotbutter can't, no thumbs

[@Lexivor]

@Najawin You are bad and you should feel bad.

[@darthplagueis13]

The general clichee of scientists being afraid to dissent the current understanding of a matter is quite ironic because fact of the matter is, being the driving force behind a major scientific revolution, discovering and being able to prove that everyone had been wrong about a particular matter is every scientists wet dream. Technically, being just proven wrong isn't dangerous either. The only time you risk being ostracized is if your work methods were grossly unscientific and it's obvious that you were just trying to prove your own ideas without any evidence, essentially that your work is just a piece of propaganda.

[@g.strobl4458]

You explained beautifully why these people (in the video) had to pay for their "degrees".

[@g.strobl4458]

Also, to be a scientist, I would say, is to be wary of / challenge preconceptions, grounding all theory in objectively/independently observable facts. The exact opposite of what these wanna-claim-to-be scientits are doing. Their claiming to be scientists borders on slandering science. Mellow as I am, that kind of thing does get my goat.

[@Demmrir]

It's not even unique to these people, it's a general perception. Hollywood and authors love to cast scientists as ignorant rubes who just don't get it in settings with magic and supernatural creatures, aliens and things beyond their ken. But... that's not what science is. It isn't rigid rules that you follow with blind adherence and shun any opposition to. That's religion. Scientists are skeptical BUT if they actually observe something or are provided evidence of something unusual, they will inspect it, repeatedly, to understand it. If it holds up to inspection and repeated observation, they will generate and test theories until they understand it. If magic were real, scientists would be the fucking wizards, not some new age mooks who just believe what they read on some Facebook posts.

[@eneyavorodecky]

Basically a lot of projection is happening from ppl who can't tell their ass from their elbow in regards to science and how it is done. Thus, conspiracies. :)

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

Unless of course your work has political implications, in which case you can expect grant money to be pulled, peers refusing review, and results supressed by powerful organizations that would be greatly inconvenienced by that data becoming public.

[@yungspung3635]

I love his absurdist dry humor, and I really recommend the last 60 seconds if you don’t intend to finish this video

[@xhappybunnyx]

45:08 the head nod and "married to the sea" was perfect

[@marloelefant7500]

This is a movie about people complaining there is a conspiracy out there suppressing their ideas, while, if they themselves were in power, they would *fiercefully* suppress all opposing thoughts.

[@kr4119]

Classic case of projection. They're telling on themselves!

[@allnaturalfigjam310]

Yes but MY ideas are the right ones so it's ok if I suppress yours /s

[@infernalabyss651]

It’s so funny because if theirs ideas were REALLY being suppressed then the docu would never have made it to mainstream lmao

[@benito1620]

There are a lot of ideas and just factual information that actually ARE suppressed by a conspiracy of media and financial ✡️ interests. Flat Earthers and their variants are not being suppressed because you hear so much about it, even if it's just to make fun of it because it's obviously stupid.

[@MostafaElSakari]

Fiercefully??

[@GippyHappy]

10:24 oh my- you just unlocked a repressed memory of my aunt having me and my siblings watch a "documentary" about how the water inside you body responds to positive thoughts. Then she made us all write happy thoughts on pieces of paper, laminated them, and made us carry them around touching our skin so the water in us could...sense it??? why did my mother allow this-?? For years I remember writing on my skin because someone in the documentary did it and I thought it'd help my depression?!?!? someone stop the planet I wanna get off

[@ilexdiapason]

i hope you got actual therapy in the end lmaooo

[@SineN0mine3]

Your Aunt might be nuts, but placebo effect is particularly effective for mental and emotional problems. I'm sure she meant well, and if you believed it worked it probably would.

[@phastinemoon]

@@SineN0mine3 I was closer to thinking that at least the action was harmless, even if the mindset was off the goddamn rails.

[@kaloofy3500]

Wow… woof…. Are.. are you still in touch with this aunt??? I’m so curious what she’s doing with her life now

[@putinmahcochin1636]

Well, good news, we don't gotta stop it, you can just walk off the edge...

[@nataliereed4238]

“straight trans man, married to sea” Oh god bless you! Extremely specific and knowing queer community jokes were just what I needed after this. 😂

[@gayofreckoning6302]

It's a real "chef's kiss" moment

[@wcdeich4]

I have never had anyone tell me "That's your reality dude."

[@baronvonbeandip]

I have. My mom said that to me when I told her astrology and numerology weren't sciences