Canon EOS R5 Overheating Defeated?, How is Magic Lantern Involved? | NRR

It appears a tiny hack can defeat the recording limit on the Canon R5, by placing a tiny obstruction that prevents the camera from knowing if the battery compartment door is open. The hack works by removing the battery while the camera is getting ready to reach its thermal recording limit. By removing the battery in this operation, you prevent the camera from writing data to the NVRAM letting the camera know how long you've recorded. Once you reinsert the battery, the camera will reset the recording time.
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[@kevinahecht]

While I appreciate the efforts of folks to find a workaround for the timers, the entire thing is still absurd and it’s on Canon, not their customers, to find a fix.

[@leoadventures1050]

Agreed they should try to fix it otherwise it’s a complete failure

[@StevenHoagland]

From my informal observations with my R5, the normal 4K is good, but the 4K HQ is phenomenal! I'm spoiled by it. and I'm encouraged that the 30-minute recording limit may actually be extended in firmware.

[@DanielLiwanag]

Good to know Canon Cripple Hammer 🔨 will always be a part of their cameras 🤣

[@stevefitzgerald9193]

good to know sonys will always melt

[@kevinblythe2192]

Unfortunately Canon Cripple Hammer is definitely part of their DNA. How can you ever trust a company, any company for that matter, that has this kind of twisted business mentality? Canon, please explain.

[@SNAPAVELI]

Thank you for the link brother!!

[@maxmaxmaxgoon5602]

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[@Ulrich.Bierwisch]

Most likely, this timer-thing is the work of the cripple hammer. But... It is possible, that Canon has problems with small pockets of heat that can't be transported from the sensor because IBIS reduces the connection between sensor and body. Canon probably didn't found a way to get around this and also no way to properly measure the temperature at the small hot spots in the sensor. So it is possible that they where forced to use the timer that makes sure the sensor isn't taking damage over time from high temperature or temperature differences that can create stress within the material. Since the knowledge about the timer and surface temperature measurements grows, I think it's time somebody with a bit of credibility should go for it and ask Canon what the heck is going on.

[@stevefitzgerald9193]

that's pure BS

[@ronflores7]

Sounds like a pain in the ass just to get your camera to do what it suppose to do.

[@liquid5170]

agreed and also prevents a lot of consumers from actually purchasing the product and leaning towards the new Sony a7siii

[@spycam111]

My thoughts exactly. Why would I want to jump through these types of hoops just to get the camera to function properly? I'll stick with a camera that actually works.

[@furballphoto9627]

Nice summation. I would love to see someone test the camera temperature difference when shooting 8K and 4K HQ vs the lower quality 4K that the camera has no time limit for while using the hack to keep it recording beyond the timer limit. How hot does it get after 1 hour of 8K or 4KHQ vs the lower quality 4K that will record all day? That might tell us allot.

[@jootai]

How far are they on cracking the firmware?

[@alexgpanda2012]

This law suit is going to be so sweet lol

[@CKramburglar]

Hopefully all the news coming out about this shames Canon into a firmware update to base warnings on actual heat readings. I was never going to own the R5 but it would still be nice for the people that do to get the best camera possible

[@h00b00]

so the CineD DR test is out and even in 8K RAW it's less that 11 stops 🤦‍♂️ even if magic lantern got involved and hacks the timer for unlimited record times, we are looking at an image that's worse than an X-T3 (which is heavily discounted right now) my preference for a7s III is now at a 100%

[@coreylee9794]

🤣🤣

[@Lion_Hamza]

Cumulative heat building up in the camera could be a issue. In my opinion for a 4500.- dollars camera this should not be the case.

[@Traumglanz]

4k HQ would work to an external recorder, so I guess you should be fine with this work around this way. 8k ... not so much.

[@IMDABROWN]

Sounds like the developers of the Sony Play Memories app need to right something to override the firmware.

[@freddysolano5835]

Canon's mighty "cripple hammer" defeated by a japanese grain of rice 👏 bravo!

[@brthiebauth]

I believe the heat protection was poorly implemented at best. The only excuse, and it may not be a good one, is that they are concerned about the ambient temperature inside the camera more than the measurement of a peak temperature on a particular component. I don't know what is safe for the various components to be exposed to on an on-going basis, but at the very least they took some programming shortcuts. The fact that there doesn't seem to be even a spot-check of the temperature (the refrigerator test) to compare that against run-time is fishy, stupid, or both. Canon may have gotten their hand caught in the cookie jar because they hadn't tested the scenarios that their timer would expose itself and therefore didn't know you could literally take photos on and off for a time but not really significantly heating-up the camera but then be unable to record any video or too short of an amount to be useful. If they do have thermal limits to guard against - that is understandable. But they need to implement those safeguards properly and return so real functionality to the people buying these cameras for their hybrid and video capabilities.

[@wendydewolsocki9117]

Canon absolutely did NOT say that! No mention of 2-4 hour wait times. Timer wise.

[@kunaltewari8059]

I completely agree with you. I didn’t understand when youtubers like Matti and Pete said they don’t understand why people are overreacting on video sides of R5 as it’s a more still camera than a video camera. And I was like whatttttttt. It was Canon who said that not us. Customers get the bad name for things they can’t even defend. I am glad video such as yours set things straight 👍👍

[@viperstinger77]

This is purely a business decision. If canon released this camera with everything working perfectly it would be the camera of the century this pretty much will bankrupt, Sony, Nikon, and the others. Also the other problem for canon they will also go out of business because no one will upgrade probably for the next 5/7 years because they have the perfect camera and there's no need to upgrade

[@DraganMedakovicPhotography]

Yeah, people never get mad for sony charging 500usd for raw license on their fs5 , they pay it gladly because ther are true filmmakers. Some cheap " vlogers" just want it all for a price of a decent laptop.

[@Samuel.Andersen]

😎😎😎

[@HeroShotz]

As soon as i heard 8k in a tiny little camera the first thing i thought was this camera will either melt or blow up LOL. The timers in the camera are to save its life so we can use the camera for many years to come. News flash people if you really thought this was a pro hollywood camera IT WAS NEVER GONNA BE THAT. Buy a black magic if you want a cinema camera or sony a7siii or panasonic they have fans.

[@CKramburglar]

It seems like you're missing the point. If the camera was using thermal data to determine when to shut off the camera people would be disappointed, but would understand. The issue is that the camera is shutting down arbitrarily while it's still well within safe operating temperatures

[@DanielLiwanag]

Hero Shotz I’m sorry “they have fans” ? I believe Sony A7SIII doesn’t have a fan.

[@gimiked8685]

@Gap yes doing this is not advised. But either way this is a weird and obtuse way of limiting the video from heat. I hope they actually have a sensor as well. But this is a weird one. I shoot Panasonic and sony so I'm not worried. But this is interesting at least.

[@DJILLEE]

Canon crippling their cameras is why I’m on Sony now. The one thing canon had above Sony was color science but in a blind test Sony even won that by a landslide. They’re gonna have to step their game up a bit.

[@ImHikaruCat]

Can't wait for ML to crack down R5 firmware to end this bs cripple hammer from Canon

[@drummer716]

A $4,000 charcoal briquette... Nah

[@stevefitzgerald9193]

i guess u can't read. it doesn't over heat. pay attention!!!!!!! no stupid comments allowed

[@drummer716]

@@stevefitzgerald9193 aww did I hurt your feelings... go ahead and spend your money then... let me know how that no overheating works out for you... 🖕

[@viperstinger77]

@@stevefitzgerald9193 some people man haha

[@Davitor1]

I own the R5 a I can say for sure it’s definitely worth every penny. Canon cameras are built like tanks to last forever.

[@drummer716]

@@Davitor1 I own Canon cameras..as well ad Sony and Fuji ..I'm not married to any one company I have what's practical to my needs I had the R5 pre-ordered until all the overheating nonsense... it's just not practical for what I do... I am sure that it is an amazing camera within a limited perimeter..

[@boombeach-strategy]

No need to hack, just use an external fan to cool the camera. That is Canons recommendation.

[@michaelmistaken2863]

Based on the videos of people attempting to cool the camera with fans, blowers, icepacks, this doesn't seem to help 8K recording/recovery time.

[@davva360]

Why don't Canon just say you can only record 10 minutes of 8k and will then have to wait 10 minutes before you can record again. At least people would know what to expect. It's so random it's crippling. Personally I couldn't care about 8k but I know some people really do.

[@CheeseOnEverything]

its pretty ridiculous to pull a battery while it's recording. Not only is it going to corrupt the footage, there's also potential to ruin the sd card and the camera's internals. Cameras (and every other electronic device nowadays) are like computers with a processor, ram, and internal memory, when the plug gets pulled out of the blue, there's going to be damage to the file systems. Pointless test none the less cuz no one in the right mind will do that just to get around the recording limit. Not surprised at all that Andrew Reid is the one who did it, cuz he's got some notorious claims on things he's said in the past and he just recently attacked Philip Bloom on twitter. Great video on your part, but I wouldn't use him as a source.

[@Traumglanz]

You can actually damage the lens a well ^_^

[@DraganMedakovicPhotography]

You can defeat the timer , but not the heat. I just cant wait for people to sue that Reid character for telling them to burn their cameras.

[@stevefitzgerald9193]

please, not another 1. it doesn't over heat. that's the whole point. do u have ADD??

[@DraganMedakovicPhotography]

@@stevefitzgerald9193 if it does not overheat, how do you explain people recording 8k for 60minutes after keeping the camera in the freezer? 😁

[@alexmeier19]

@@DraganMedakovicPhotography they are like flat earthers or believers in general. picking out the arguments that fit their "conclusion". instead of letting themselves *lead* to a scientific reasonable conclusion by facts.

[@77jairomorales]

Yea those hacks would work great on a $300 camera not a $3899 camera! Not a good video camera period!

[@CKramburglar]

The hacks themselves may not be useful for video shooters, however they go towards proving the overheating warnings are at least partially artificial. That may shame Canon into a firmware update. So this may still indirectly help video shooters. Obviously I wouldn't buy the camera on just that hope, but would be a nice bonus for anyone who already has it

[@Davitor1]

@@CKramburglar I have the camera and I can testify that the 4KHQ is just absolutely insane in detail. So if Canon can extend this to an hour it would be the closest thing to a perfect camera.

[@jmac2050]

4000 for 8k Demo mode, pass

[@coreylee9794]

🤣🤣

[@blender_wiki]

Knowing Canon i said the first day is not en engineering weakness is the marketing department limits the overall capabilities of the camera. This is on the Canon culture nothing new nothing surprising

[@DragonScorpio31]

its a losing war for canon.. nobody is doing 8k now and in the coming future, the R5 will be old tech - and a failing one at that.. there is no future-proofing nor future with it.. sad but true..

[@Davitor1]

Who else has 8K or 4KHQ, no other camera except cameras costing 10 time more. So Canon does have a wonderful future till Sony can figure out how to compete.

[@DragonScorpio31]

@@Davitor1 it seems unlikely that Sony is interested in functional 8K in the near future; at lest not till 16G to 32G RAM computer prices comes down significantly, i believe.. 🤔

[@DragonScorpio31]

@Gap exactly my tots.. moreover, 4K TVs are barely even reaching homes, much less 8K.. and 16G to 32G computers are still quite expensive for editing.. these hybrid cameras are targetted at consumer level, thus 'environment' has to be favourable before they put out an item..

[@DragonScorpio31]

and besides, what has this gotta do with Sony..? canon makes cameras n printers, sony makes household electrical & electronics devices and is involved with space exploration projects.. worlds apart.. 😅

[@stevefitzgerald9193]

people. the real truth to the story is as follows. sony called canon and said. we are coming out with are A7Siii. it really does over heat. can u please cripple ur R5. if u come out with a camera that records 8k for 50 minutes. we as sony. will go bankrupt. canon, please help us out. u have built the worlds perfect camera and, nikon, sony and fuji. will all lose the little market share we have. we will pay u millions to cripple this camera. so, canon. trying to be a good neighbor. says ok. they did not expect. for everyone to find this out. the moral to this story is. do not lie. sony users. admit. canon R5 will do more then any sony camera on the market and, u all were wrong by saying it over heats. obviously is is proven. it does not !!!!!!! sorry sony users. CANON IS BACK ON TOP!!!!!!!!! hell, even tony northup family is going to the R5. i even believe jared polin is heading that way!!!!!!

[@guyjordan8201]

Canon sux more than anyone else today.

[@tbreit]

I'm sorry....this camera is a software CLUSTER F**K! Does BMW force you to turn off their 7-Series for 2 hours and pull the battery after a 20 minute, 150mph Autobahn run? NO! How about a $700, GE refrigerator (designed for interior use) but sitting in a hot garage in Florida running full time for years? NO! Fix your damn software Canon or get out of the business.

[@jeffluo9591]

The timer is there for a reason, to prevent the hardware from frying. It may not be based on real time temperature, but that doesn't mean you could disable or reset it. The engineers use the timer to protect the hardware from irreversible damage.

[@DanielLiwanag]

Jeff Luo basing it on a timer is a pretty stupid move.

[@mavfan1]

🙄

[@jeffluo9591]

@@DanielLiwanag Accurate temperature inside the chips is not easy to measure in real time. It's not the same as a PC. So a hard coded timer might be the only solution.

[@DanielLiwanag]

Jeff Luo 🤣 stop defending Canon.

[@davidspearman9686]

@@DanielLiwanag Chill bro lol. He's not defending Canon. He's saying Canon couldn't solve the problem with a sophisticated thermal monitor and had to resort to a timer to protect the camera from frying itself over the long run. Basically, he's calling Canon out.