Mel Ignatow & the Torture of Brenda Schaefer | That Chapter Podcast

[@morganthomas9920]

Hi Mike! This happened in my hometown when I was a kid. I remember the news coverage. When I was older, I worked in a retail store. Mel Ignatow came in after his jail sentence for perjury. He needed bits and bobs for his new place. When it was time to pay, his credit card didn't work due to inactivity. We had to call and get it reinstated and he had to say he'd been in jail over the phone. I knew who he was and now he knew I knew who he was. It was awkward for me but he seemed fairly unbothered. It was such a creepy interaction to me.

[@karaamundson3964]

Yuck. Washed your hands, eh?

[@ContactsNfilters]

You'd think they would've been able to charge him with other things like kidnapping or assault/torture and keep him locked up even longer.

[@cheesecake4648]

and there i thought all the stores around the area wouldn't serve this SOAB.....

[@naomiledger1374]

@@ContactsNfilters I thought the same thing but figured all those charges must have been incorporated in his trial for Brenda's murder. I doubt the authorities would have missed the opportunity if any of that was still on the table.

[@suzannenichols6900]

I don't care who set this girl up with this guy: they should be sorry for doing so. I hope they have appropriate regrets. LADIES: if you have doubts like Brenda did, and ESPECIALLY when somebody "love bombs" you in the beginning..and THEN it turns bad, you NEED to 1. make your plans (in secret) and 2. get help and 3. get OUT! 4. And if you hooked up with the right people that will help you with your new identity, new location and everything else; you may need to do this to stay safe. There is help out there, from what I've heard, but you have to look for it. I'd probably find a police friend somehow or start in a church. ((I just want to say I really enjoyed this podcast and generally I do NOT enjoy podcasts, because I want to see the faces of both the narrator's and the people they're talking about. But the personal details and the depth that you both went into with this collaboration really made it especially good.

[@christineweissmann8229]

Enjoyed your podcast very much. Your discussing the fact that once being found "not guilty", you cannot stand trial again for the same crime reminded me that years ago in Scotland, they had the verdict of "Not proven" instead of "Not guilty". This verdict would surely open the way to be able to be tried for the same crime twice.

[@harriotteworthington3147]

Dr. Spalding didn’t have a crush on Brenda- he truly loved her as a daughter. He was a very loving man to many of us.

[@margomargo3586]

They found Brenda behind our home and my parents were renting from Mel when they discovered it. I was 3 year old so I don’t really remember when the cops showed up and raided our home. However the story heard from my father and mother. Is insane. Thank you for doing what I asked when I messaged you. Brenda is the reason I went into medical career. She deserves to have her story told.

[@kimalonzo3363]

To anyone whose Christmas will not be merry and bright or the most wonderful time of the year because you have lost someone you love. I hope you can find peace and comfort to bring you through the holidays. ❤😢

[@kimmohekey7850]

Oh wow I just read your message and you are such a beautiful kind person you took my breath away from your kindness. From the bottom of my heart thankyou I have spent the last two days and last night in tears missing those I love. I cant even close my eyes to sleep I am waking up in tears. Thankyou so so much for your unexpected kindness i am blessed enough to have found. May you and yours have a wonderful holiday season and I wish you every bit of happiness you so deserve. Thankyou xx

[@kimalonzo3363]

@@kimmohekey7850 Thank you for YOUR kind words. If you feel like it, I recommend listening to a song called Somewhere in your Silent Night. It is by a group called Casting Crowns. I hope it comforts you. ♥

[@suzannenichols6900]

What a sweet comment. 💯💕

[@suzannenichols6900]

​@@kimmohekey7850 I had some tearful nights this holiday season as well but we made it through. Happy New Year and I hope your year is blessed.

[@Ooh_PieceOfCandy]

This is one of the most beautiful things I have ever read in the comments section. Seriously. ❤

[@markeyestone9980]

You should hide an image of Keith in a single frame of one of the podcasts for his reveal

[@SugarandSarcasm]

So I have to watch it instead of multitasking? Monster.

[@markeyestone9980]

@@SugarandSarcasm You're right, that was monstrous of me. Mike's going to have to do a video about me now

[@historytd]

Thanks for covering this terrible crime. Happened in my hometown (won't hate on pronunciation because even locals don't say it right). True story: years after this happened I was sitting in a DMV waiting to renew my license and a familiar looking guy was sitting across from me. Couldn't place him but he seemed really familiar. Only later did I realize it was Ignatow. Very disturbing experience.

[@livingdeadgirl888]

It's real out here. You just never really know right? Louisville was my home for a bit.

[@naomiledger1374]

I have to say he's got a hell of a nerve just getting about his business in the town as if it was no bother. Surely he must have found it difficult to get work or get anything done if ppl knew who he was and didn't want a bar of him!

[@historytd]

​@@naomiledger1374I thought the same thing at the time. Crazy is crazy I guess and I don't think I'd be able to get into the mindset of someone like that. Their normal is different from the rest of us.

[@kristenharrell8304]

Yes..I can't sleep and Mike and Keith to the rescue. Mike you made my day

[@mollyrogers831]

Mike! You got the pronunciation on the first try! I am from Louisville and we can't decide how to say so... NAILED IT!!!😊

[@angieeades]

Yes he did!

[@cheesecake4648]

it is 1d10tic to not pronounce the S

[@angiemcpeek3530]

Mike, you’re the best, you really are. I love your videos and podcasts over everyone else’s. Keith with you just takes it up a notch. I look forward so much to your stories and laughs together. Thank you both!

[@Mrs.Self.Distruct]

Just saw you on Tubi, congrats!!! Well deserved.

[@barbrakersting9864]

What happened on tubi ?

[@SugarandSarcasm]

Tubi is still around?

[@cheesecake4648]

wtf is that

[@beevonerd]

​@@cheesecake4648Something you could've Googled. 🤔

[@Mrs.Self.Distruct]

While not the biggest free with ads streaming platform, it is still quite a jump above YT to have the show on.

[@BRIDGETTattoo]

Mike and Keith Thank you ❤

[@jade-wr9pn]

I think OJ Simpson's book is the perfect example of what a slap in the face double Jeopardy can be.

[@peggybreidenbach8703]

❤ You two make a Great team!! I love listening to your podcasts! ❤ 😊

[@linneytoo]

You guys should turn ur camera on for these podcasts. Just a suggestion. Lots of us are slow and like to see the person talking. lol.

[@personincognito3989]

I don't think it's being slow, we just want to see them

[@heylookyerdad92]

I'm actually on time! Kick ass!! Thank you true crime daddy 😂

[@SugarandSarcasm]

Omfg that's hilarious for this episode 🤣

[@miserychannel69]

Welcome .. it's a profane version of Mike. . LOVE it.

[@beevonerd]

Lol as opposed to what?? The only reason true crime creators don't swear as much is bc of KZbin, not their personal preference.

[@miserychannel69]

obviously, this content is on youtube as well. Hence, my surprise. @@beevonerd

[@devhelen5895]

Keith. You're my new second man😂😂😂😂😂. Seriously. Professional, studied, engaging .

[@amandagrant1982]

Love listening when I can’t sleep Podcast with your best mate! I wish I knew you were going to be in Boston❤️

[@kandreasworld4374]

This is why the double jeopardy clause should not apply to rape, murder or child molestation. If new evidence is found or evidence that was there originally was not introduced during trial then they should be able to try the same person again. However, this needs to go the other way as well. Did you know that discovering evidence that proves you are innocent is not enough to get a new trial or overturn a wrongful conviction??? That is just absurd to me.

[@AntaresSelket]

I really enjoy the podcasts, and thank you for the funny bits at the end.

[@maryannfascetti6421]

Thank you to you both. For a well told case. Sad as it was. What a monster.

[@danybritt4832]

“Have you not been wearing pants this whole time?” 😂 caught me off guard and made me laugh out loud.

[@barbrakersting9864]

I love all your youtube video's. Mike its your sense of humor that i love . I also love that you can get facts on theses cases that ive never heardof before. ❤

[@TheDuchessofPictureRocks]

Love the content. Loyal fan

[@barbrakersting9864]

I was locked up when the book on this case come into my cell n this guy is a nightmare. Its horrible what he did to her .😢

[@ZebraZahara]

I've already decided what Keith looks like. Accurate or not, I no longer care

[@eleanorchorao4875]

Meee tooo. Jiles look exactly as I expected. So will Keith. 😊

[@personincognito3989]

You're comment cracked me up

[@anitamackeigan108]

This is my favorite podcast!! I could listen to the two of you all day every day!!

[@Swanshrew]

Yeah just woke up at 2am and can’t get back to sleep. Thanks for the entertainment! 🥰

[@NannupTiger]

I love these podcasts as much as I love the videos ❤

[@sandpiper1665]

Excellent content 💯 🙃💚🇦🇺✌️

[@TeIegram_me__MikeOhYT]

I wanna to have a conversation with you 💕

[@KentuckyWildcat666]

Thank you for doing this one mike. I asked 3 years ago and I knew you’d do it eventually lol.

[@pinkbombshellcasing2672]

Wait the boss guy for 3 years for the threat?! Im not saying threats shouldn’t be taken seriously, but guys who literally stalk and threaten women just get a warning!

[@ImJake50]

When you said you can’t say no to a boat. I immediately thought of Dennis from always sunny, and then you added tho sample in there hahah amazing

[@Leslie12.66]

Very raunchy guys! Glad you are home safe.

[@robtymec2045]

I love your KZbin channel. This is my first shot at listening to your podcast and I love it just as much!

[@jujubeane8334]

I love, love, love the podcast. You two are the best and I love the way you feed off each other. Bahaha. Keep on doing!!!

[@chastitysmith9036]

They never married. Read double jeopardy by Bob hill. Brenda was a absolute Angel.

[@buggiebuild1]

I love that the podcast is here and over there, because I can like and give five stars to my favorite channel, shout out to the wifey 🤘shout out to Keith /family as well 🤘,,✌🏻💕

[@chastitysmith9036]

Thank you

[@italia_Irish_Applachia]

Love this podcast !!! ❤❤❤❤ y’all are the best !! 😂😂😂😂

[@Becca_playz-hi]

Legend of the dog face😂

[@ZenobiaDecrespin]

Love this! It's so casual and real 2 guys hanging out snarking. I wanna hang out guys! ❤❤

[@TimParker-Chambers]

10:58 With friends like that, who needs enemies... 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@eugeneduplessie572]

Love the show

[@LorenEgan]

Crazy that where the trial took place is where I was raised until I was 14 years old. I live 20 mins from Covington today, and Louisville (which you’re pronouncing correctly Mike) is 1 1/2 from where I currently live

[@deborahexplorah]

Mike being super aggressive and I'm here for it 😅

[@pakde8002]

Sometimes defense lawyers should just sit on there hands a bit. Just don't try so hard when it's clear the defendants are guilty.

[@Shedoesdiy]

Unfortunately that's illegal. The defendant could have the lawyer booted, and get a new one (on the taxpayers dollar, of course) or worse- have the whole trial thrown out. We can't always *know for certain* whether someone is actually guilty. Plenty of innocent people incarcerated right now can attest to that. Therefore everyone deserves a competent legal defense.

[@SugarandSarcasm]

@@Shedoesdiykind of like emailing (or texting?) the prosecutor incriminating evidence. Good luck finding clients after something like that without having to be in the court-appointed lawyer pool

[@Ace-nd7hq]

For the episode in Keith's attic, you should do a case from either where you live or somewhere really close

[@dorkydragon5055]

7:20 start time fer later storytime rewatching ❤

[@amyclare5377]

Il be looking for this creepy attic episode and ILOVE you guys when doing the podcast compared to a red episode on YT both are awesome but podcast is much more naturally entertaining ❤

[@Katz_Pajamas]

Podcast starts at 6:44

[@gachabona7181]

I was about to be mad til I saw the end. I don't know who the petty officer was when they made him pose but hand clap no Vaseline. I love your show and podcast. Here in Arkansas watching Mike and listening to Mike and Keith. Don't curse me out but it would be cool to see episodes involving fans periodically. Not for pay of course but just to add a little interaction. I love your podcast and I love your KZbin videos regardless. Keep it honest and keep it coming.❤

[@stellaeleptheriadou3062]

Would you consider doing an episode about the disappearance of Mary Boyle? Perhaps in connection with the previous death of her older brother?

[@Kelley_cant_Get_Right]

🙏👏👏👏💕thanx u 2 #NOSLEEPGANG

[@luckyhecks5904]

I wonder why they couldn’t try him for kidnapping at the federal level

[@melindaperez-watts3330]

Hahahaha totally loved that ya'll ended that one on "cock ring!" Too funny😂

[@ErzsabetJones]

Just catching up on older episodes on Spotify, and ngl, it sounds like in the end, either Brenda haunted the glass coffee table, or the table got revenge for Brenda. It may not have been the same table, but glass holds many secrets. Or something, idfk.

[@worldstar_beats0005]

They did not have to trick Mel into the army. Just file federal Civil rights charges. Mel and his female accomplice violated her civil rights.

[@SgtKates]

I came from the podcast on Spotify to see if we finally got a picture of Keith @4:00. but I guess when Mike is good and damn ready works too. 😂

[@claudeanmankin1539]

Everybody loves a happy ending

[@sheilamyers5332]

In Kentucky we say lul-ville but as long as your not saying louis- ville your good

[@jade-wr9pn]

Ha! Your little dental jokes 😂

[@bcgjimmy2]

Keithhhhhhhhh, the faceless anomalous entity!!!!!

[@HauntedVirgo]

I love the nature visuals.🩷

[@Monika-bc3dq]

This is why we shouldn't always jump into conclusion over police not charging someone for years even tho from the outside perspective it seems like a no-brainer. Sure, there's a whole lot of instances where police just doesn't give a damn or is incompetent, but if you only have one chance, you better make sure it's as solid as it can be, because him just saying "yeah, I did it" and nothing can be done about it is so infuriating. Glad they could at least take him down over perjury.

[@itarry4]

Totally agree. It's why the process where in Britain where I live it's the DPS I think it's initially the U.S. Attorney but if they think there might be enough then it's a Grand Jury but the process of going over all of the evidence gathered by the police, FBI, forensics, etc to see if they have enough to justify a trial is so important. It's easy for the people directly involved to over state, or see the evidence they've worked so hard to get as more conclusive than it actually is so independent eyes are very important not just so cases don't waste the courts time but as you said so they don't attempt to get a conviction from desperation or as they're being pressured and make it impossible to ever convict the guilty person due to them getting not guilty. Thankfully the double jeopardy law no longer exists as it did in Britain. If there's very strong new evidence then a panel of judges will decide if its enough to retrial and whilst it's still rare and not easy to get strong enough evidence it is possible now.

[@Autumn_Forest_]

I’m from Louisville, and I say it like 3 different ways.

[@eggywegg]

"Subgenres of Necrophilia" sounds like the name of an album by a black metal band.

[@cuchuloholic]

Lots of people there say Loo-vull because of their accent

[@brandondevore9203]

Now that we know it pisses Mike off we all should end every comment with the question "When are we going to see Kieth!!!!!

[@an882]

The way you said it was perfect.

[@natethegreat5968]

Charlie Ricketts is the type of lawyer I want to be

[@stephenieprice8048]

I am listening to these in the wrong order and all I have to say is, "I thought Keith would be taller" lol

[@paulbelcher7059]

Toe tags hahahaha

[@jeremyschmidt7163]

Mike is a bit sassy in this one! Haha

[@Topher760]

Mike the 🐐

[@-KFirefly]

Because of the implication 😂

[@marymullings3823]

Tubi, awesome Mike. We do want to see your other handsome half. LOL😁As always great job.All the best.

[@tbwkn]

Mike! Keith! How the heck are ya? Hope all is swell and well.

[@TeIegram_me__MikeOhYT]

I like to have a conversation with you 💕

[@mother_of_doxies]

It’s pretty obvious these two are besties😊

[@dylanregan9439]

The implications 😊

[@alligator666]

I want to see Keith 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Mosaic_Crone]

Double Jeopardy is so maddening when we have cases such as poor Charlie Vaughn in Arkansas. He's an innocent man who has currently served 32 years in Arkansas prisons for a murder that he didn't commit. Charlie is developmentally delayed & at the time of his conviction there was substantial evidence that he not only didn't commit the murder, there was absolutely no way he could. But the US (un)justice system would rather have any body even if its the wrong body locked away in prison. Plot twist, in 2015, the real killer wrote Charlie a letter apologizing that Charlie is serving time for a murder HE & he alone committed. The real murder has gone on record to confess to the crime & has offered to testify on Charlie's behalf so Charlie can be freed. This year, Charlie's lawyer applied for a pardon from Arkansas governor Sarah Huckabee. Unfortunately, he missed the deadline for filing and Sarah Huckabee herself is currently in the middle of "Lecturngate", she defrauded the state by falsely claiming that she spent $19,000 on a new lecturn. When in fact what she did was pay her friend who does NOT sell lecturns, $19,000. They then took this $19,000 & partied extravagantly in Paris. Why $19,000? Because it was the cut off point. Even a penny over & she would have had to report it, itemize it, get approval etc. So back to innocent Charlie Vaughn. Sarah Huckabee made a HUGE deal of pretending to be tough on crime & snidely making a show of denying his pardon & laughed while saying he can try applying again in 6 years. Then she made a huge play of pardoning the Thanksgiving turkey so it could be free to live a happy life. Where is the justice in a system that knowing has to let a killer walk free while simultaneously taking great pleasure in keeping an innocent man in prison when the real killer is also already serving time & confessed? There is none. 😔😢 *It's Arkansas, a blind eye can not be turned to the fact that Charlie is a black man. A mentality handicapped black man imprisoned in the Bible Belt.

[@heidimueller1039]

Why do you Americans keep electing these nasty people?

[@babesmariba]

I wonder if he ever tried the DENNIS system

[@rhondapeace3957]

I love ya both ❤

[@bec7080]

I just think it's best, even if the person is horrible, to focus on their actions and not their looks. Putting people into pretty= good and ugly= bad categories isn't helpful.

[@echolightning604]

Mary should have got a worse sentence. Should have been charge with some type of sexual crime. She stood there, watched and took pictures.

[@SugarandSarcasm]

I for one want to be disappointed in seeing Keith

[@dandrummond9154]

Keith is going to jail if anything happens to anybody he knows with that search history.

[@harriotteworthington3147]

Lousy-ville…. 🤪 my hometown 💗

[@eleanorchorao4875]

Worst airport. No good food whatsoever

[@katcaparula7898]

Finding.... Leeerrrrrrvvvv

[@TeIegram_me__MikeOhYT]

I wanna to have a conversation with you 💕

[@bunnycurley1581]

Hey guys…🍀🙏❤️💯

[@KellJell]

Florals and plaids together, total 90's.

[@ruththinkingoutside.707]

Okay.. it was bad enough that Mike was in Mass.. but they BOTH were? 🤷‍♀️ pfffft.. I’m so bummed I didn’t get to bump into him.. 😬 But Then again.. I don’t particularly like people in general so I avoid Boston area like a plague 😛 Since I didn’t know to go looking, I would not “bump into” anyone 🤣

[@vut_zarco]

Starts at 6:40 ffs😅

[@tonymalone1022]

Kiia Mike and Keith sweat 💯🙏👑

[@naomiledger1374]

Great idea about canning double jeopardy in some instances, guys, where guilt can be proved 100%. That sounds like a very reasonable and sensible idea. However, I doubt that POS would have made any kind of confession if he was aware that he could be taken to trial on it again. Gotta wonder what the hell is inside some ppl that they can be like he was. Or even Mary. Her involvement was just as bad if you ask me. The worst of it for Brenda, by the sounds of it, probably occurred when Mary was present. And there was some justice I guess in how he died, but not nearly enough.

[@GassersGhost]

Louavull.

[@TeIegram_me__MikeOhYT]

I wanna to have a conversation with you 💕

[@Scraggledust]

Our guest bathroom has framed pics of us sitting on the toilet. Thumbs up. Dogs too. Not my idea. Be careful when you give your hubs full creative license

[@andrew-zi3wt]

Definition of necrophilia is sex with dead or incapacitated...sleeping or drugged fits.