Thatcher Vs Kinnock Labour Haven't A Clue

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@debbiearmstrong8273
@debbiearmstrong8273 Жыл бұрын
Years later and nothings changed with Labour. Clueless back then, clueless now.
@Canthatcrazy
@Canthatcrazy 4 жыл бұрын
Love her, or hate her: she was a leader. Not like this lot these days
@noimnotarobotcanubeleiveit7024
@noimnotarobotcanubeleiveit7024 2 жыл бұрын
putin?
@billyburgess3912
@billyburgess3912 2 жыл бұрын
Very true
@billyburgess3912
@billyburgess3912 2 жыл бұрын
Do t make me Laugh have you seen how far away he sits away from Everyone . That’s thing us just a coward​@@noimnotarobotcanubeleiveit7024
@petyrkowalski9887
@petyrkowalski9887 2 жыл бұрын
Yes..a bad one
@Canthatcrazy
@Canthatcrazy 2 жыл бұрын
@@petyrkowalski9887 only towards the end. She had to spend 8 years cleaning up the mess Labour had left us in!
@emmaherron5121
@emmaherron5121 5 жыл бұрын
1990- Labour haven’t a clue 2020- Labour still haven’t a clue
@5gonza541
@5gonza541 5 жыл бұрын
Lmao, made me chuckle
@adamfull6208
@adamfull6208 5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@darkmaster83
@darkmaster83 5 жыл бұрын
Conservatives - Still haven't got a bigger clue.
@paekman63
@paekman63 5 жыл бұрын
2029 Labour still in opposition.
@darkmaster83
@darkmaster83 5 жыл бұрын
@@paekman63 2041, Jeremy Corbyn becomes PM.
@cestall1
@cestall1 6 жыл бұрын
She was a total badass. Modern "feminists" couldn't hold a candle to her.
@chloejones1548
@chloejones1548 6 жыл бұрын
She wasn't a feminist
@debbieharry387
@debbieharry387 6 жыл бұрын
i BET YOU ARE UNDER 30
@chloejones1548
@chloejones1548 6 жыл бұрын
Fuck no, she was the spawn of Satan@Paulo Chan
@johnennis5234
@johnennis5234 6 жыл бұрын
She was that good she got taken out by her own side before she was hammered by the public! Remember the Poll Tax
@larrybxl5406
@larrybxl5406 6 жыл бұрын
She was a TOTAL DISASTER to the UK and its economy!!
@historyprofessor1985
@historyprofessor1985 5 жыл бұрын
Mrs. Thatcher was truly a badass ! She owned anyone she debated, EVERYTIME!! As an American, we could use someone like her!!!
@gailcrook2687
@gailcrook2687 2 жыл бұрын
@Bernard Fitzsimons as a one parent family with a young child, it worked for me, then it shot up when it was axed causing us hardship
@thomaswalker869
@thomaswalker869 2 жыл бұрын
You do. You have donald trump. The best President you could ever get
@historyprofessor1985
@historyprofessor1985 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomaswalker869 , That's highly disrespectful to the legacy of Mrs. Thatcher. To compare her to Trump is like comparing a dignified warrior to a classless twit. Thatcher was fierce and unrelenting, but she always conducted herself with class and dignity. Trump is a loudmouth, arrogant, boorish fool who repeatedly lies and then gets wildly offended whenever someone calls his bullshit. THERE IS ZERO COMPARISON.
@thomaswalker869
@thomaswalker869 2 жыл бұрын
@@historyprofessor1985 maybe classless in some peoples eyey but he is Americas saviour in chief weather you like or agree with him or not . he the best you got at present. Listen to the British. We will keep you on the right path
@thomaswalker869
@thomaswalker869 2 жыл бұрын
My comparison was the fact they both take/took no nonsense and actually got things done. A government is only worth its salt when it does its job properly for the people. You wont get that with Joe Biden/Democrat party. The Don is your best option for 2024. You may not like but you cant stop an irresistable force or cast aside an immovable object. It is what it is. America can be saved. Northern Ireland stands behind GOP For midterms 2022 and Trump 2024. Get ready for getting stuff done.
@mutinyonthekitkat
@mutinyonthekitkat 5 жыл бұрын
Her buttons are like two manic eyes staring out.
@knicol46
@knicol46 4 жыл бұрын
I voted Labour with the majority in 1997. I am still paying for that mistake in 2020. Labour still do not understand this.
@heronsdoor4658
@heronsdoor4658 3 жыл бұрын
Same here, my friend. Back then, how could we know the famous mantra of Blair... "keep what you want to do hidden from the public until you're in power" ... I'd put him in prison for so many reasons.
@bingeltube
@bingeltube 6 жыл бұрын
Maggie was feisty and well prepared
@tigerarmyrule
@tigerarmyrule 6 жыл бұрын
As she always was. Magnificent lady.
@pauldavies4496
@pauldavies4496 6 жыл бұрын
that bastard splitarse decimated british industries and wiped out whole communities with her malice and spite good riddance to bad rubbish I wish I could have buried a stake in her evil heart.
@elcannon9404
@elcannon9404 6 жыл бұрын
Not sure. This issue killed her off.
@radiator0
@radiator0 6 жыл бұрын
@@pauldavies4496u welsh by any chance lol.....
@pauldavies4496
@pauldavies4496 6 жыл бұрын
British and welsh and proud of it. my concern is for the uk as a whole not just wales what that woman did was not out of good for the country but has she admitted a few months before her death that it was out of revenge for the fall of heah' govement which was never the mineworkers or steelworkers intention.
@peterhawker3958
@peterhawker3958 7 ай бұрын
The day the tories turned on Maggie its been pretty much a steady decline. She had more balls than the rest of them put together
@acecase1383
@acecase1383 8 жыл бұрын
Maggie owned poor Kinnock.walkover
@ashbuzz2627
@ashbuzz2627 6 жыл бұрын
Total.
@ChrisGroggyCreaser
@ChrisGroggyCreaser 6 жыл бұрын
Kinnock Should've been a village idiot...
@veggie42
@veggie42 6 жыл бұрын
Yes same as Thornberry is wiping the floor with pussy Liddles
@GryphLane
@GryphLane 5 жыл бұрын
Lies. Absolute horseshit.
@christinacrimari3543
@christinacrimari3543 3 жыл бұрын
I disagree, I think Kinnock was underrated
@gailcrook2687
@gailcrook2687 4 жыл бұрын
I'm enjoying this more now than at the time, I can't stop watching her, clever lady
@seaside456
@seaside456 2 жыл бұрын
Give me a sick bag,quick.
@davidgrahambrown3793
@davidgrahambrown3793 2 жыл бұрын
She brought a dose of realism to Britain, replacing a weak Labour government in hock to the trade unions that all but ran the country.
@mildlydispleased3221
@mildlydispleased3221 2 жыл бұрын
Dead lady.
@steveturner6770
@steveturner6770 2 жыл бұрын
Im so pleased she closed our mines and shipyards.
@petyrkowalski9887
@petyrkowalski9887 2 жыл бұрын
« Clever » at selling off all our assets, ruining our infrastructure, suppressing workers rights, ruining our manufacturing industries, enriching herself, her family and horrible friends like Pinochet… cunning and vile but not clever.
@richardlaversuch2901
@richardlaversuch2901 8 жыл бұрын
Kinnock hammered again.
@commanderspock531
@commanderspock531 6 жыл бұрын
Imagine what she would do to the Communist, IRA, Hamas supporting Corbyn? :D
@iminaplanet2004
@iminaplanet2004 5 жыл бұрын
Margret Thatcher would obliterate Jeremy Corbyn, No offence if anyone supports Labour
@daleeasternbrat816
@daleeasternbrat816 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoy watching Parliament more than I do Congress. Especially when someone like Margaret Thatcher is speaking.
@johnking5174
@johnking5174 4 жыл бұрын
Don't bother watching parliament in 2020 - they are awful
@ecpnothnagel9121
@ecpnothnagel9121 Жыл бұрын
Kinnock? Never ever heard of him. Thatcher though? What a woman. What a legend!
@JacobSnell1998
@JacobSnell1998 6 ай бұрын
You're clearly an American. There is nothing wrong with that, I'm one myself. But any British person will know the Lord Kinnock. He led Labour for a decade in the Commons and still remains in Parliament in the Lords.
@bruh949
@bruh949 3 жыл бұрын
Thank god Major also wiped the flaw with Kinnock. What a stupid man. Stood no chance against Thatcher or Major.
@RH-xf4vf
@RH-xf4vf 5 жыл бұрын
She was a brilliant debater. So sharp. And he by contrast could really waffle. However, on the substantive point, the poll tax was an unmitigated disaster and thoroughly pernicious.
@richardhall4830
@richardhall4830 6 ай бұрын
Whereas council tax is utterly marvellous? The poll tax was simply a means to show ordinary ppl that government is the great fiction whereby everyone endeavours to live at the expense of everyone else.
@23rdjune
@23rdjune 6 жыл бұрын
Mrs T was a giant on the world stage. Took us from being 'The economic basket case of Europe' under Labour during 'The winter of discontent' to a world economic power once again (oh, and throw in sending a task force to sort out Argentina in the Falklands, which no one else would have done) and she was demonstrably way better than any muppet we've had since!
@kenmay1572
@kenmay1572 2 жыл бұрын
Is that why she was sacked, not by a Gen Elec, but by her own party
@keithmooney299
@keithmooney299 2 ай бұрын
Maggie Thatcher v Neil Kinnock. Only ever gonna be one winner there and it's not Kinnock!!
@phillipgreer4875
@phillipgreer4875 7 жыл бұрын
I never admitted this before and I was always anti-thatcher but there is no doubt in my mind now she was the best PM we ever had. So much better than the anti british, pro immigration (cos he thinks it'll make us more left wing)spendthrift Corbyn. And I have voted Labour all my life. But never for Corbyn.
@lainewoolcock1335
@lainewoolcock1335 6 жыл бұрын
Clement Attlee was the best prime minister we've ever had. His government created the NHS, finalised the welfare state and saved the UK from a recession that would have occurred if Churchill had been in government following WWII.
@michaellirette929
@michaellirette929 6 жыл бұрын
She was the best
@cg8130
@cg8130 6 жыл бұрын
Im a labor voter, from a familiy of labor voters and im willing to say we need someone like her! Corbyns a prat.
@michaellirette929
@michaellirette929 6 жыл бұрын
C G well said
@commanderspock531
@commanderspock531 6 жыл бұрын
PHILLIP GREER - I was a child of the 80s and we were all conditioned to hate Thatcher mainly by the BBC. Today, I think back to the 80s and it's not just nostalgia I would far rather be there than in this decade and I say we've regressed so far now into a state of degeneracy, chaos, atomization as a people in Britain and there is no 'Conservative' party anymore. Nothing is conserved, everything is progressive, everything is being eroded and destroyed that made this nation so great.
@telabib
@telabib 8 жыл бұрын
That bag of wind (mr expenses) was no match for Maggie.
@ibrahimahmed6739
@ibrahimahmed6739 5 жыл бұрын
telabib you’re rude 😂
@sjm2752
@sjm2752 4 жыл бұрын
The Conservatives wiped the floor with Labour then and 30 years later continue to do so!
@naeem11111
@naeem11111 2 жыл бұрын
Blair was masterful during PM questions.
@briandelaney9710
@briandelaney9710 Жыл бұрын
Not anymore. Tories on the way out
@norrissidek2519
@norrissidek2519 3 жыл бұрын
The Iron Lady of the Great Britain..RIP Madam.
@scottmiller4869
@scottmiller4869 6 жыл бұрын
This country would be a better place if Thatcher was in charge none of this I'm offended at this and that bullshit
@5centsworth107
@5centsworth107 6 жыл бұрын
There were definite problems with poll taxes especially in admin collection due to mobile workforce etc but Thatcher defended well and logically. Should learn from this lady how to argue calmly, with facts and stating stand very clearly without being flustered by heckling.
@vordman
@vordman 2 жыл бұрын
Maggie was a one off. Never entered the Commons without doing her homework first. Total pro.
@At_the_races
@At_the_races 6 жыл бұрын
The , so called poll tax was completely fair, Why should a house of ten pay, the same in rates, as a house of two?
@mauricelloyd839
@mauricelloyd839 5 жыл бұрын
because a woman stayed at home to look after her children had no income, but was expected to pay poll tax
@gareththomas6714
@gareththomas6714 5 жыл бұрын
A Wiganer--poll tax fair?A Wanker would be more accurate lmao
@davidinchester
@davidinchester 9 жыл бұрын
Loving seeing Maggie wipe the floor with Kinnock as she always did!
@jules-tt3ro
@jules-tt3ro 7 жыл бұрын
David Elliott ...no she shit on the majority of the uk...u weren't a miner or self employed or working class??
@jules-tt3ro
@jules-tt3ro 7 жыл бұрын
u 21 disgust me...
@GINOTERMINIELLO-gj7ih
@GINOTERMINIELLO-gj7ih 6 жыл бұрын
David Elliott she wipe up my sticky liquid
@southendparaquest
@southendparaquest 6 жыл бұрын
@@jules-tt3ro Two words. Arthur, and Scargill. Who started with a small house and a big union? And then ended up with the opposite?
@kimk7163
@kimk7163 5 жыл бұрын
You clearly didn’t live in the north when peoples lives were ruined because they had no where to work because she closed the mines down!
@KazgarothUsher
@KazgarothUsher 2 жыл бұрын
The Poll Tax was her worst political error
@terrychilderley9574
@terrychilderley9574 2 жыл бұрын
Difficult to tell, she made so many. Took a long time before somebody in her party had to guts to bring her down.
@Outdoorshuntingshooting
@Outdoorshuntingshooting 6 ай бұрын
It was not implemented very well by local authorities. It was a well-intentioned improvement to local finance that was sabotaged.
@sorenbailey9888
@sorenbailey9888 6 ай бұрын
@@Outdoorshuntingshooting Rubbish, it taxed the poor and made the wealthy more so.
@jamessidebottom5868
@jamessidebottom5868 6 жыл бұрын
we could do with lady Thatcher now with Brexit! GREAT PRIME MINISTER
@Red1Green2Blue3
@Red1Green2Blue3 5 жыл бұрын
Thatcher was the main inventor of the Single Market LMAO. God brexiteers are stupid.
@Kukryniksy1974
@Kukryniksy1974 2 жыл бұрын
The best prime minister
@terrychilderley9574
@terrychilderley9574 2 жыл бұрын
She was pro europe. Think before you comment.
@dannyH84
@dannyH84 2 жыл бұрын
@@terrychilderley9574 that went right over your head didn’t it
@Robby334
@Robby334 6 жыл бұрын
Not seen dear Maggie on youtube for ages - Glad she is back "Good on you Maggie" xxx RIP
@stephenasbridge878
@stephenasbridge878 8 ай бұрын
Neil Kinnock was so perfect to become an EU commissioner; absolutely an empty vessel.
@largesatsuma
@largesatsuma 8 жыл бұрын
As useless as Kinnock was, he was still better than Corbyn is right now.
@garya4907
@garya4907 8 жыл бұрын
I sadly agree..
@marygoodnight8892
@marygoodnight8892 7 жыл бұрын
Thumbed up.
@Azhark94
@Azhark94 7 жыл бұрын
fuck off ya muppet, look at him now.
@garya4907
@garya4907 7 жыл бұрын
Fuck off yourself he's fucking nowhere and never will be.... He's promising the world and buying votes ; this twat if he got in would bankrupt the lot of us. If you have any shares they'll be wiped out the country would be on it's knees+ over run with his friends from terror organisations.....
@largesatsuma
@largesatsuma 7 жыл бұрын
Labour is going to lose this election. That's what I'm looking at.
@expressoevangelism80
@expressoevangelism80 6 ай бұрын
‘Shouldn’t believe everything we read in the newspapers.’ Substitute ANYTHING.
@mshroye2
@mshroye2 5 жыл бұрын
I’m an American who is a Bernie Sanders supporter but I admire her greatly because she stood up for what she believed in and she was able to wipe the floor with those tossers on the other side of the house I still feel the if her MPs weren’t looking out for themselves in 1990 and booted her out she would have kicked Neil Kinnocks ass again in 1992
@ecpnothnagel9121
@ecpnothnagel9121 Жыл бұрын
Yeah don't be a Bernie Sanders supporter please. Just vote Trump this year and stop the silliness. Your country is in a dumpster due to woke socialists and you're running out of time.
@gentlerowdy
@gentlerowdy 6 жыл бұрын
what an amazing lady !!!!
@pauldavies4496
@pauldavies4496 6 жыл бұрын
piss off jerk
@Jay-ej9ru
@Jay-ej9ru 6 жыл бұрын
What a horrible bitch. Thatcher and Cameron did more to destroy this country than any other PM in history. Get real!
@Tad1945
@Tad1945 6 жыл бұрын
she closed everything she did`nt do anything for the working class.
@Tad1945
@Tad1945 6 жыл бұрын
she was not an amazing lady just a ruthless one.
@ColHogan-le5yk
@ColHogan-le5yk 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah if you were rich
@Nopicrandom
@Nopicrandom 4 жыл бұрын
I like how much more lively this is compared to what we have in the States.
@banksplay
@banksplay 2 жыл бұрын
0:53 Eu sinto muito desapontá-lo... mas ele não deveria acreditar em tudo que lê nos jornais.
@mauricelloyd839
@mauricelloyd839 5 жыл бұрын
the poll tax was a totaly infair
@bilimitsu
@bilimitsu 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't the poll tax scrapped almost immediately in the face of wide public protest, suggesting that Mr Kinnock was in fact proved right here?
@chrisholland1504
@chrisholland1504 2 жыл бұрын
Er? Have you been on the planet Zog?
@briandelaney9710
@briandelaney9710 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisholland1504 it WAS and they were soon to scrap Mrs T as well
@mikeanagnostou4399
@mikeanagnostou4399 11 ай бұрын
The poll tax was Thatcher’s undoing. So many years in No. 10 made her oblivious to the consequences of the poll tax and the backlash. The Tories are ruthless when it comes to tearing down their leaders.
@benjaminwilliams2264
@benjaminwilliams2264 9 ай бұрын
Poll tax damaged her reputation her own side brought her down. Shame Michael Heseltine didn't replace her.
@mikeanagnostou4399
@mikeanagnostou4399 9 ай бұрын
Michael Heseltine would have made a great PM.
@Lellobeetle
@Lellobeetle 11 жыл бұрын
Give 'em another jab, Lady T.
@Why_even_try
@Why_even_try 6 жыл бұрын
Ah, Mrs Thatcher. This 80s pubescent boy's first crush.
@carljohnson4353
@carljohnson4353 4 жыл бұрын
Thatcher was badass but that's weird hahaha
@joecurran2811
@joecurran2811 7 ай бұрын
That's a strange first crush 😂
@arynrowland862
@arynrowland862 8 ай бұрын
Wait a minute, first he criticized her for implementing poll taxes, then he criticized her for capping them in the same breath.😂 Apparently Labour was always wishy-washy.
@Inyourlap
@Inyourlap 4 жыл бұрын
This is enjoyable to watch. The debate is fun but the poll tax led to her downfall. It was a mistake. She couldn’t listen to the people anymore, she thought she was untouchable. Eventually she was kicked out by her own party
@streamsofconsciousness8651
@streamsofconsciousness8651 Жыл бұрын
I'm still not convinced that the community charge was wrong. The concept that we all contribute, rather than just homeowners, was a very unpopular but not at all unreasonable idea
@doctorsocrates4413
@doctorsocrates4413 Жыл бұрын
she was betrayed by her own party...it was john major who brought in the council tax to replace poll tax.
@rjhtrucking5429
@rjhtrucking5429 Жыл бұрын
The poll tax didn't bring her down , her own back benchers did. Get your facts right .
@Inyourlap
@Inyourlap Жыл бұрын
@@rjhtrucking5429 Get yours right and get some perspective. All historians agree on the fact that the poll tax was the last straw that started her downfall. The Conservative MPs couldn’t support her anymore because there was too much discontent in their constituencies. Members of the cabinet also decided that was enough. If you have a short term vision of history, her backbenchers indeed brought her down. But you’re certainly not too stupid to understand that they must have some reasons to do so. A party doesn’t disown their leader just because a whim strikes them. The poll tax was voted in 87/88 and progressively implemented in 89/90. After the poll tax was announced, opinion polls showed the Labour opposition opening a strong lead over the Conservative government. Following the Poll Tax Riots, Conservative ministers contemplated abolition of the tax but knew that, as a flagship Thatcherite policy, its abolition would not be possible while Thatcher was still Prime Minister. Kinnock had vowed to abolish the poll tax if he won the next general election. For this, among other reasons, Thatcher was challenged by Michael Heseltine for the Conservative leadership in November 1990. Although she prevailed by a margin of fifty votes, she narrowly missed the threshold to avoid a second vote, and on 22 November 1990 she announced her resignation after more than a decade in office. All three of the contenders to succeed her pledged to abandon the tax.
@joecurran2811
@joecurran2811 7 ай бұрын
​@@streamsofconsciousness8651It didn't take into account wealth levels which is what really did it in
@rich3222
@rich3222 5 жыл бұрын
All I remember as a kid was people on the estates having signs up saying we won't pay poll tax,its funny isn't it ,as they are the real tax collectors
@Interlocutor67
@Interlocutor67 2 жыл бұрын
Unlike parasitic billionaires, corporations, and bankers. Oh wait, the people you admire.
@PinheadLarryVEVO
@PinheadLarryVEVO 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much thatcheritescot for feeding my thatcher obsession!
@griekgek
@griekgek 9 жыл бұрын
Harry Conner Quite right, I feel quite the same
@quick46
@quick46 6 жыл бұрын
She's still dead boys & sizzling in hell
@ryanhunter2987
@ryanhunter2987 3 жыл бұрын
Quite!
@ladyeowens3370
@ladyeowens3370 5 жыл бұрын
She's amazing. These two needed each other and were a gift to us. Shame modern politicians are so pathetic!
@jjhearn
@jjhearn 9 жыл бұрын
Love the intros to your videos ha
@AdamBirty
@AdamBirty 5 жыл бұрын
What's funny is that after all this, when Labour got in post-thatcher they kept the poll tax... This just goes to show that all Labour know's how to do is political point score, they haven't been for the working classes for decades.
@paulrispin4989
@paulrispin4989 2 жыл бұрын
Huh? What are you on about? Labour got in in 1997. The poll tax was scrapped in 1993.
@protium1960
@protium1960 2 жыл бұрын
What utter bollocks! Thatcher's successor, John Major, abolished the tax when he took office in November 1990. In 1993, the tax was replaced by the council tax, which helped shift some of the tax burden off the poor.
@benjaminwilliams2264
@benjaminwilliams2264 9 ай бұрын
John Major got in in 1992 and replaced the poll tax with council tax a year later. Maybe they should have just stuck with the Rates.
@reemlsilkworm
@reemlsilkworm 6 жыл бұрын
"The right honourable gentleman never conditions his supplementary questions to my previous replies" 1:42
@elspethcoogan1499
@elspethcoogan1499 4 жыл бұрын
In other words, he doesn’t listen. But MT had a fine way with the English language.
@contourbody
@contourbody 2 жыл бұрын
Screwed the British Coal industry and never replaced those proud and skilled workforce's jobs, leaving the once thriving and self sustaining Nottinghamshire+South Yorkshire town and village communities, with absolutely nothing!!!
@daniellelomag90
@daniellelomag90 4 жыл бұрын
This ambient it's like a pub...
@Matt-cz6ti
@Matt-cz6ti 3 жыл бұрын
She’d eviscerate Johnson and his gang of half-wits if she was alive today
@oliprj8676
@oliprj8676 6 жыл бұрын
My parents always said they voted for Maggie just because Kinnock would have been an awful PM. 😂
@terrychilderley9574
@terrychilderley9574 2 жыл бұрын
Obviously wrong to trust your parents.
@chrisholland1504
@chrisholland1504 2 жыл бұрын
@@terrychilderley9574 Oh yes, he did so much good at the EU. In enriching himself.
@andrewdavies5193
@andrewdavies5193 2 жыл бұрын
Cracks me up that so many on here are claiming how great she was and how she wiped the floor with Kinnock and how he didn’t have a clue. Wasn’t this debate around the Poll tax being wrong/flawed etc etc? What exactly happened to the Poll tax in the end? Oh yes how could we forget………and you are all mostly saying that she was thy great one! My word!!!!
@jonwarddotcom
@jonwarddotcom 2 жыл бұрын
The poll tax ended Thatcher. The evidence clearly points to her not having a clue. Anything else just theatrical appreciation.
@streamsofconsciousness8651
@streamsofconsciousness8651 2 жыл бұрын
The Thatcher decade was my political awakening. Watching back now brings back so many emotions and memories. I recall my then-MP inviting me to see her perform at a Prime Minister's question time. Not something I will ever forget. This was when political leaders were giants and true statespeople. How low politics and government has fallen.
@Langy24
@Langy24 2 жыл бұрын
Kinnock was, and still is, an absolute and complete plonker.
@scudder91
@scudder91 4 жыл бұрын
The principle of replacing rates was sound in principle, but the pole tax was hated by conservatives as well as labour. I still remember the hapless Tory candidate who was sent to defend it at the ribble valley bi election and was told "ex Tories, that's what we are." The pole tax was hated by nearly everyone.
@anthonymagliaro4791
@anthonymagliaro4791 6 жыл бұрын
Madam Thatcher one of the best in the commons, you attacked her at your peril...
@terrychilderley9574
@terrychilderley9574 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, never attack a dictator.
@ibyghee
@ibyghee 6 жыл бұрын
But let's be honest, the poll tax failed so bad XD . It was a legit failure by Thatcher and there is no arguing in that.
@jinnymudlark1815
@jinnymudlark1815 6 жыл бұрын
A mistake. Against so much else that was strong.
@ericpreston8877
@ericpreston8877 Жыл бұрын
Like what? Bleeding hundreds of thousands of miners and carpenters and electricians to enrich a few thousand City of London lawyers and bankers and accountants?
@malcolmmarshall4371
@malcolmmarshall4371 4 жыл бұрын
Labour still don’t have a clue in 2020
@ciaranmarsh255
@ciaranmarsh255 2 жыл бұрын
The Tories are worse
@thetruth156real3
@thetruth156real3 5 жыл бұрын
Poll tax, a lord in a fifty bedroom house set in 10,000 acres pays less then a single parent in a council house. Yea she was a lovely woman!
@allanstack7016
@allanstack7016 2 жыл бұрын
What do you expect from a Tory.
@babygirl10711978
@babygirl10711978 11 жыл бұрын
Nothing like a good hand bagging from Mrs. t
@sonofwallacecoyb4744
@sonofwallacecoyb4744 6 жыл бұрын
babygirl10711978 A bitch of the highest order.
@theant9821
@theant9821 4 жыл бұрын
@@sonofwallacecoyb4744 any bitch is better than a socialist.
@garyanthony5292
@garyanthony5292 Жыл бұрын
Let's be realistic Thatcher in a superhero costume is not the way she will be remembered by those who lived through her capital privatisation and other policies. One of the things she said was that competing energy providers would make everyone's bills cheaper... That never happened!
@zippymo672
@zippymo672 7 жыл бұрын
I'm a Labour man. But I loved the Kinnock vs Thatcher duels. They were great to watch. Do you have any Thatcher vs Wilson and Callaghan audio? If so please post.
@nigelbarrett4091
@nigelbarrett4091 5 жыл бұрын
Thatcher scored zero points on social justice and us students called her Thatcher the milk snatcher .
@susanhughs1031
@susanhughs1031 6 жыл бұрын
I grew up In the 1960's And worked for British rail In the 1970's I was prevented from doing my very under paid job because of Labour unions Like ASFLET (the train driver's union ) lead by Ray Buckton A lazy git who only turned up for work to call strike action a Dozen time a year,? My dad was made redundant In 1965, by that moron Harald Wilson,!!, that K.G.B. Agent for the soviets In russkiy land I can honestly say I have voted Labour AND never will,!!!!!!!, TOO ALL PROPPER LABOUR OLD LABOUR I URGE YOU TO VOTE U.K.I.P. AND FOR BREXIT ,. I THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT BRITISH PEOPLE,.
@echoecho9429
@echoecho9429 6 жыл бұрын
Susan Hughs z
@ewoodrailway
@ewoodrailway 6 жыл бұрын
Susan Hughs. Now the railway has piss failing driving DOO after destroying our prisons and police. This muppet isn't fit to tie his shoelaces. On ASLEF..the last union this country had as everyone else has folded as the government drive us towards dictatorship. People are conditioned by the bullshit and our Island will drown in the sea around it. Corbyns not ideal but he's for the people unlike the out of touch Tories.
@quick46
@quick46 6 жыл бұрын
Prevented from doing "your underpaid job" well hard luck you servile sheep, some people wanted better for themselves & didn't want to spend their lives tugging their forelocksEVERY employee right in this country is thanks to worker/union power, the Tories have given you nothing, except the right to buy council house stock they stole from the boroughs to sell to you at knock down prices to make you mortgage slavesYou working class Tories are fucking imbeciles & you don't know your history.
@MM-tk9ek
@MM-tk9ek 6 жыл бұрын
So true....miners Scargill overturned their vote to work...and during strike his number two went on holiday..to Spain..
@licencedtospill
@licencedtospill 6 жыл бұрын
How do you feel about being unable to spell properly? Teacher's unions, I imagine; nothing to do with you being a lazy little git.
@davidclegg2455
@davidclegg2455 2 жыл бұрын
Oxford just can't produce PM's with any standing these days.
@andyharpist2938
@andyharpist2938 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder how he lives with himself really far away from Wales with his five pensions...
@MrEarthling99
@MrEarthling99 9 жыл бұрын
I'm disgusted to share a Welsh identity with Neil Kinnock.
@pauldavies4496
@pauldavies4496 6 жыл бұрын
@Wayne Logan bevan gave us the nhs you ungrateful little shit.
@ks-on7gg
@ks-on7gg 6 жыл бұрын
nothing changed ,labour still dont have a clue.
@philfletcher3434
@philfletcher3434 6 ай бұрын
Neil Kinnock looks a lot like Putin here.
@gumusluk16
@gumusluk16 5 жыл бұрын
Poll tax was totally correct, why should a couple pay the same as 5 people living next door in the same kind of house.
@irnbrubhoy
@irnbrubhoy 8 жыл бұрын
In the end Kinnock was right. It was dropped and it was the beginning of the end for that government
@peterh1353
@peterh1353 7 жыл бұрын
Don't understand what some of the commentators are on about. The Poll Tax was her biggest mistake and we all know it - including her own party who stabbed her in the back over it.
@marygoodnight8892
@marygoodnight8892 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, I remember having to pay poll tax as a student - outrageous.
@peretzo
@peretzo 5 жыл бұрын
Actually on the Community Charge Mr Kinnock DID get it right; and Mrs Thatcher got it wrong.
@SteedHiggins
@SteedHiggins 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting that although she wiped the floor with Kinnock, as this was on 6 October 1990, within just 6 weeks she would have resigned as Prime Minister.
@serbanandreimarin
@serbanandreimarin 4 жыл бұрын
Backstabed by her own party and against the wishes of the Party members
@TCMNoah
@TCMNoah 4 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t it the poll tax that doomed her?
@matthewleitch1
@matthewleitch1 2 жыл бұрын
It was more the ambitions of her colleagues, increasingly frustrated at not getting their chance as PM. PMs tend not to last much more than two terms in the UK and I think this is one major reason why.
@terryhughes1355
@terryhughes1355 2 жыл бұрын
she was so good the tories got rid of her
@goddambitch12
@goddambitch12 5 жыл бұрын
that woman robbed me of my milk at school.thatcher the snacher
6 жыл бұрын
Ole Maggie had everything a lady politician wants and that is hair that does not move!
@marksloan4452
@marksloan4452 5 жыл бұрын
The comments here are hilarious and ironic. Regardless of who you might think looked better in that clip, Kinnock was the one proven correct. The Poll Tax (Community Charge) WAS a huge error and WAS abolished in a couple of years and DID lead to the downfall of Thatcher, exactly as Kinnock said.
@christinacrimari3543
@christinacrimari3543 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely bloody true, I was a student at the time and was billed with the Poll Tax, I didn't pay it initially and was chased for it, I considered it a complete insult and an outrage!!
@marygoodnight8892
@marygoodnight8892 7 жыл бұрын
I love the Thatcher/ Kinnock debates, because their styles are so different. He's not got a bad voice actually.
@warrenalexander5285
@warrenalexander5285 2 жыл бұрын
Kinnock was totally outclassed.
@benjaminwilliams2264
@benjaminwilliams2264 9 ай бұрын
How did the poll tax work out for her? 2 landslides and then a smaller majority for Major. Then 1997.
@BobK5
@BobK5 2 жыл бұрын
Mr Kinnock was correct, Poll tax was doomed but she couldn’t see it.
@joecurran2811
@joecurran2811 7 ай бұрын
I think it was too late at this point. Too late to go back...
@stuartpenman6387
@stuartpenman6387 3 жыл бұрын
how much do you want these 2 back?
@magicwandfour
@magicwandfour 5 жыл бұрын
Ah Maggie- the woman who supported Pol Pott
@85percentnation
@85percentnation 4 жыл бұрын
Is that Robin Cook next to Kinnock?
@vickilindberg6336
@vickilindberg6336 2 жыл бұрын
This whole process seems chaos but it's certainly more honest than the usually dull US Congress.
@Robby334
@Robby334 8 жыл бұрын
Well it was her downfall was the poll tax .... but she was a great leader sadly gone RIP Lady T.
@johnclark3697
@johnclark3697 6 жыл бұрын
Where exactly is she buried?????
@pauldavies4496
@pauldavies4496 6 жыл бұрын
sadly gone ? bollocks!!! good riddance to the bastard.
@pauldavies4496
@pauldavies4496 6 жыл бұрын
good riddance to the bastard.
@quick46
@quick46 6 жыл бұрын
Why, do you need a piss?
@alecneate76
@alecneate76 3 жыл бұрын
I'm 18 and from what I've seen of thatcher I think she was an amazing leader but the poll tax seems to be her big downfall. Could someone explain whether it was really a mistake or not since I don't really understand it?
@johnhigson94
@johnhigson94 2 жыл бұрын
It was replaced by "Council tax", so it still exists to some degree but has had amendments made to its policy. 🤔🤔
@AndrewMundellAndrewJMundell
@AndrewMundellAndrewJMundell 6 жыл бұрын
And they still haven't a clue
@EugVR6
@EugVR6 6 ай бұрын
The poll tax was her undoing, but she was a proper leader.
@manuelodabashian
@manuelodabashian 6 жыл бұрын
Thatcher never actually answered a single question put to her
@johnbunyan5834
@johnbunyan5834 2 жыл бұрын
That's not quite true. However , the same claim could made about every Prime Minister since.
@alanhoyle8901
@alanhoyle8901 Жыл бұрын
Wow!!! What great prime ministers question time far removed from the nonsense we get today. Whether you liked or not she was a good leader and we have no one like her today in any party. What a mess we are in 😪
@aBetterMove
@aBetterMove 5 жыл бұрын
A woman without the guile to get through any substantial reforms such as the poll tax, withdrawal from the EU, or the proper reform of the NHS that we still desperately need. That's the one thing Tony Blair had that she didn't, more's the pity.
@stix2you1
@stix2you1 6 жыл бұрын
Kinnock is and was a grade one prat, a totally useless individual and this has handed down to his son. Thatcher was different class, not always right but most certainly head and shoulders above the opposition.
@kaycamille1544
@kaycamille1544 5 жыл бұрын
They broke the mould after Margaret. She could wipe the floor with any politition past or present
@ChefEarthenware
@ChefEarthenware Жыл бұрын
It was the weakness of Labour which afforded her such huge majorities. She was right in principle, but some of her implementations could have been better managed. If we had a decent opposition at the time, perhaps some of those errors could have been avoided.
@stevenhulbert6973
@stevenhulbert6973 6 жыл бұрын
Constant talking in the background. Shut. up.
@Moltenbramley
@Moltenbramley 6 жыл бұрын
Steven Hulbert I know right
@LoganSewell83
@LoganSewell83 5 жыл бұрын
That's the appeal of the UK Parliament. Without this noise we never would have had "Spitting Image" nor "Land of Confusion."
@robin-hr9up
@robin-hr9up 6 жыл бұрын
Kinnock - you can't fix stupid. However, he is now coining it in Europe.
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