The 2011 Evolved - Staccato HD P4.5 from SHOT Show 2025

[@brandonjohnston1425]

For anyone wondering it’s 2500 for the 4in and 2700 for the 4.5in

[@GROGU123]

I wish it were only $200 for a half inch for other things in life.

[@alvolante4164]

🤓

[@DylanGarten]

Very good price for what you’re getting

[@boog3690]

Sadly I'm such a poor to have this hobby 😢

[@hondasaurusrex6998]

Naaaash, I'll skip this one....

[@JustDataReviews]

One thing that no one seems to care about or notice is that the trigger guard is a bit bigger. Something I've wanted on a 2011 for a long time.

[@eli.george1]

This video has more information in it than all other youtubers combined. Thank you!

[@digitalpunk5365]

Unbelievable…. I’ve seen every review of this gun and I finally have my questions answered. In fact, some other reviewers are wrong about as one details on this gun.

[@TheRogueElement]

Thank you for actually showing the thing up close unlike the first several videos where it’s buried in someone’s hand that’s talking about it. Looks fantastic 👍

[@SEAKPhotog]

This unexpectedly interests me.

[@geebeaux]

Such a better presentation than a Staccato rep.

[@InkwellFoto]

I truly can't wait to see you with this on a range day. I'm most excited about the P4.5 and the Bul Tac.

[@bradrehnstrom1068]

looks like they heard the footsteps of Stealth Arms and others going to glock mags. It is a good turn for manfs, so good on them for understanding the market.

[@FoulPet]

Glock need more money so the can develop nothing

[@simonizedpb]

Shot it at range day and it shoots very well. Trigger with the block is not an issue at all. I love the elimination of the grip safey however i wasn't as big a fan of the grip as I wanted to be. With my large hands it felt like I had to reach down with my trigger finger to put it on the trigger and it was up against the top of the trigger guard. I suspect/hope a longer trigger/LOP will help that for me. Overall the quality and fit and finish of the gun felt fantastic and I plan to add one as the 4th Staccato in my collection.

[@True_Patriotx]

You forgot to mention the full rail and the thumb ledge. This is going to be their best selling pistol.

[@ChipSpencer123]

Glad you have continued with The series. 😊

[@johnstuever6298]

Starting to think this is my next limited optics gun! Thanks for the review!

[@thestacche6898]

Good video. If only all shot show presenters were like you.

[@bobbob-g8p]

all the good info fast.

[@BNorm09]

This is on my buy list but waiting for a comp'd and/or ported version.

[@RetARMYjohn]

That’s the one I will have! It will pair nicely with my XC!

[@morninglattes]

I like the HD 4.5 more than the HD 4 and will buy it when it’s released

[@redsdot]

I messed with one of these at Staccato Ranch last weekend. 2011 Trigger, Glock mags. Lefty friendly. It's like they read my ginger mind. I WILL own one.

[@FiveFiveSixx]

I wish it was a weighted comp and not just a weight but still awesome. Just wish I could be COMPLETELY satisfied

[@AndrewGitterDunn]

I won't be surprised if we will see a comp'd P4.5 in the next year or so! Seems to be the trend for every pistol lately.

[@360Tinman]

Had an opportunity to shoot the P4 and P4.5. The P4.5 is definitely a sweet shooting set-up.

[@EW-cp1go]

Would you recommend the P4.5? I like the sight block, but also prefer the 4inch.

[@JusticeFreedomDestin]

Irons forward is a great feature. I want to see more of that for the industry

[@jeffreydawson4520]

I concur. It immediately reminded me of the old Detonics Combat Master with the rear sight placement and makes a ton of sense to me.

[@viccasado5415]

The finish on that gun looks to be more of a flat black rather than a slightly more shiny DLC .

[@Biggles19840]

I really wish there was a 5” model, either the HD or the 2011 version

[@TheRancor53]

Bound to happen

[@darthjoshua6663]

Probably going to happen at some point

[@jagpilotohio]

Eventually there will certainly be more varieties

[@lucasblanchard47]

There will be. Then there will be a carry comp version. Then a full “race gun” probably.

[@darthjoshua6663]

Probably everything about these two initial models is specifically to cater to the demands of LE and special forces. The 4 inch slide or 4 inch slide with a .5 inch sight block allows it to have that higher cyclic rate. And its model purpose also gives a reason as to why it has no porting or a comp. I believe that LE and special forces tend not to like comps or porting because of the elevated flash. And comps tend to make guns a little finnicky. And I imagine porting tends to make them a bit dirtier. But nonetheless, they will definitely come out with separate models with all the features of the HD with porting or or comps or longer slides. However, I feel the current 4.5 pretty much is perfection.

[@_isaacking]

Looks like I will finally be buying a Staccato!

[@dfdf4874]

No ports, improved ergos, better optic plate system and sights forward of the optic. Yup, this is a must have.

[@MoneyShot_CM]

🍿 love it, good quick info on the things I care about, thanks

[@raymondhashemi]

If they make this exact same platform with a 3" barrel, they will kill it.

[@bearlee_accurate]

I’m gonna call it now, be patient and wait for the XC compact. They’re gonna cut a port in that sight block barrel and back the front sight to the slide.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Maybe eventually - reading between the lines this is a gun for SWAT

[@shootinbruin3614]

A slimline 2011 HD that took 365 mags would be awesome. It'd be a better Staccato CS with actual mag availability, especially now that Magpul's teased P365 mags

[@somebrains5431]

The 2011 has had a mommy makeover.

[@wisesage3289]

Very well presented!

[@AndrewGitterDunn]

Thank you for a great (but quick) review...especially when describing the grip size and feel. It was hard to tell and no one was really commenting on it beyond the grip texture or the lack of grip safety. Now I'm curious how hard the P4.5 will be to field strip with that block sight.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Same as any other 2011 - barrel comes out the front

[@AndrewGitterDunn]

@@TheHumbleMarksman Oh I see. I went back to your video and noticed that the block sight is not attached to the frame like I originally thought. As you can tell, I've never had the pleasure of owning one. Hopefully I will by the end of this year!!

[@soulflyNYC]

Grip angle - is it the same as 2011 or more like Glock? It looks different in the pictures

[@shootinbruin3614]

Is the sight block monolithic to the barrel or is it a separate piece that's attached? If the latter, I foresee aftermarket comps very soon

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

That was an early prototype that threaded on it sounded like production would be monolithic

[@shootinbruin3614]

@ Thanks. Really enjoying your SHOT show coverage so far. You’re the only one I know who’s not just regurgitating talking points or letting the rep do all the talking but actually providing your own analysis

[@Eric.schmidt]

I thought I had decided which Staccato I wanted then they come out with the 4 and 4.5. I think I want the 4

[@CalzaTheFox]

Very informative.

[@stuartv666]

How is the trigger press compared to a GOOD, match quality 1911/2011 trigger? Can you feel some mush from the firing pin block? Will it be able to be tweaked to be as good as a high quality match 2011 and will that require removing the FPB stuff in order to get the trigger to that level (which may or may not be allowed by the rules, depending on what organization one competes with)?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

It feels like a regular staccato trigger - which don’t feel like match 2011 triggers.

[@stuartv666]

@@TheHumbleMarksman right. The question is twofold: Can you feel ANY mush from the firing pin block. What you said in the video and in this reply implies "no". Do you think, in your experienced opinion, whether the HD trigger will be able to be modified and improved to be as good as a match 2011 trigger, without removing/defeating any of the built-in safety measures (e.g. the firing pin block)? I feel like the answer would have to be no. The HD will never be able to have as good a trigger as a current, high-end match 2011 - unless you remove the firing pin block. It just seems like nobody wants to say that out loud and risk hurting Staccato's feelings.

[@andershilmo1866]

@@stuartv666Good questions, I believe as Staccato stated that this gun is a more duty’s oriented gun. With the Glock mag compatibility, better optic cut, no back strap safety and the firing pin block safety. Making it more drop safe. I get many people who buy 2011s want a competition gun with a 1.5-2.5 lb trigger. But there are many who want a 2011 for duty or edc use I don’t run a sub 4 lb trigger on my edc. As do most agencies no allow below 4 lb triggers. There are other manufactures like Fowler, nighthawk, infinity who make high end 2011 for twice to 3 times the price.

[@adam3651]

Did they finally transition to linkless barrel?

[@mousemx1534]

Is the mag catch plastic or metal? Can it run the plastic, OEM, magazines?

[@Romefeller_]

damn they really made a gloccato

[@DTWCT]

Those sight blocks are gonna be getting chunk ported left and right

[@jamieguffey9628]

For someone that is price conscious could this gun do multiple rules? I’m looking at a duty, bedside and range gun. Also, would this work for somebody that’s looking to be an Aor B shooter in steel challenge or USPSA?

[@UltimateEnd0]

Nice but they should really tip their hat to Stealth Arms for their Glock mag compatible Platypus

[@lllllllllllillllllll]

Staccato bad mouthing Stealth Arms really left a bad taste for me. That being said I'm still curious about the sight block model. Is that block a part of the barrel, or is it thread on, or some different form of non-permanent attachment?

[@mattrognstad]

Any word on optic compatibility with all the cantilevered dots these days?

[@learningone7786]

Would a 1911/2011 built around a P365 mag be even smaller?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

potentially - that's what the CS is trying to be.

[@360Tinman]

@@learningone7786 I compared my Sig X Macro 17 round mags to my Staccato CS/C 15 and 17 round mags. The Sig mag is definitely shorter by a fair margin.

[@J.Young808]

So the mecgar mags are Glock angle? Can this take regular polymer Glock made mags?

[@PewPew9mm]

Need a compensated staccato for that price

[@3of11]

How is the grip angle? glock or still same 2011 (glock mag usually requires glock angle) Also is the mag catch steel or poly... wondering how that will play with poly glock mags Hope next year they'll do it dedicated to a COA

[@jeffreydawson4520]

The grip angle is still 1911.

[@atomicsmith]

@@jeffreydawson4520 no it’s noticeably more angled than a normal 2011. It just doesn’t have ‘hump’ That blocks normally do.

[@jeffreydawson4520]

@@atomicsmith the guy from Staccato, Paul, said it was the same in another video I watched, check out Classic Firearms Shot Show day 1 video, but he’s probably mistaken

[@atomicsmith]

@@jeffreydawson4520 I just went to handgun hero to compare this new one to the older ones. It’s about 2 degrees different on the backstrap. Not as big a change as I thought, but still a bit different.

[@jeffreydawson1687]

I wasn’t sure if the Staccato rep was right or not so I emailed Staccato’s customer service and they said the grip angle didn’t change and was still 17.5 degrees. The lack of the grip safety, a feature I really like by the way, does throw off the appearance.

[@bagel411]

Who's holding the camera?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

I brought a buddy with me.

[@Trad6166]

Is the grip angle actually the same?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

yes. Feels way better than a legacy 2011 grip and points like you're used to.

[@thesaint8493]

Hey David Did you manage to find out if the Mec Gar mags take standard base plates? Wanting to potentially hang off to get the next batch of mags, but need my 140s

[@toons5233]

i kinda want to try that one, i think that one grip is going to be like the 17 so are they going to make one with a smaller grip down the line?

[@Quality_Guru]

What has not evolved is my wallet. Building a 2011 as a self defense pistol for those that have the extra coin is a nice touch.

[@nathanhoxworth1185]

Has anyone seen what the cut looks like under the optic plate? I'm curious what they did for recpil bosses.

[@kylehill4437]

Wouild love more details on the trigger. Thanks

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

it's about a 4# trigger. I tried - diligently - to let me take the slide off and it was an emphatic no from everyone I asked.

[@DesertGhillie]

@@TheHumbleMarksman That would have been the first thing I tried to do as well. Thanks for the attempt.

[@kirbyclone3293]

Two questions: Can this gun use stock Glock plastic mags? Since it uses Glock pattern mags, does it have a Glock grip angle or a 2011 grip angle?

[@HB-kp6rl]

This or platypus? Ive got a pile of glock mags so im considering these two?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Haven't shot the HD staccatos yet so I don't know yet. The Platypus has amazing aesthetics - the Staccato is small hand friendly

[@HB-kp6rl]

@ I appreciate the input. Have the best day

[@Pesquisando0b1011]

How do you disassembly a Staccato HD pistol?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

pull the slide nearly all the way to the rear - punch out the pin on the slide stop - similar to a 1911

[@Pesquisando0b1011]

@@TheHumbleMarksman This model has the slide release lever on both sides and it doesn't have the notch. I would like to see that.

[@williamfenton6562]

This but shorter grip 15rd G19 sized

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

It's definitely coming eventually

[@TheRancor53]

I’m sure it’ll be all kinds of variations once this hits shelves

[@dnalor8753]

yessss

[@FirearmEnthusiast]

Humble do you know if the triggers, thumb safeties & hammers are compatible with legacy 2011 parts at the very least? Thanks.

[@AndrewGitterDunn]

From a couple other videos where the Staccato engineer was being interviewed, I'm pretty sure it won't for all of those parts. He specifically said the hammer is shorter and the safety had to be redesigned. I'm not entirely sure on the trigger tho, but since only a handful of parts carry over from the current Staccato's (I don't remember them mentioning trigger parts as carry over), I'm doubtful you could even do that with older trigger parts (without modifications).

[@FirearmEnthusiast]

@@AndrewGitterDunn Yeah so I spoke with our rep and he told us that unfortunately none of that old stuff is backwards compatible. I'm sure the aftermarket is going to jump in on this immediately though.

[@TheMakeReadyRanch]

Rear sight is pinned and easily removable for an SRO?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

It can accept an RMR HD so probably an SRO

[@jaimesalgado9666]

I don’t like what they did with putting the rear sight in front of the optic mount

[@MrPimpshrimp247]

Where's the ports? The comp?

[@TeensierPython]

I’m sure they’re coming. It’s a new gun.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

this gun was developed basically for SWAT - they don't care about civilians with the spec. I talked to their VP of engineering at a happy hour for a long while yesterday. Their products are incredibly mission focused and this gun's mission isn't us normies.

[@TeensierPython]

@ good to know. But also. If there is money to be made I assume staccato will make other versions of this gun.

[@jimhaskins1224]

Can someone explain to me why you would build that pistol with a sight block when the pistol was designed to be used with a dot?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

More velocity and its functioning as a barrel weight

[@jimhaskins1224]

@ thanks for an informative response to an honest question! Didn’t think I would find that in a comment section

[@flyinphynixfpv5980]

You mean this could be a comfortable option for us Medium-sized hand shooters? Amazing since I would argue that most of us don't have Bear Paws for hands.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Yeah it’s very easy trigger reach

[@VanTheMan1099]

do you think it would be possible to grip chop this to accept glock 26 mags?

[@SectionChief]

No. Mainspring is in the grip.

[@a2Asupporter]

Any reason why the Mec-Gar 18 round metal mags wouldn’t work in a Glock (other than the metal on plastic mag catch)?

[@darthjoshua6663]

I’m pretty sure they do work in Glocks. I have a hard time imagining mecgar investing all that money just for staccato or one off glock compatible guns

[@floofy6911]

The mecgar mags have the mag catch indented rather than cut out, shouldn't have any issues with a plastic mag catch.

[@darthjoshua6663]

@ that’s what I was wondering about them. Because I was wondering what mag catch the staccato would have if it’s able to run both kinds of magazines without tearing up the polymer ones

[@davidt5085]

Was looking for this. None of the videos I’ve seen mention if it’s a metal or plastic catch and if the Mecgar requires a metal one. Explanation makes sense, thanks.

[@davidgaines8607]

So is the Stacatto a plastic or metal mag catch is the real question. I don't care about using the metal mags in a Glock , I want to know how reliable plastic Glock mags will be in the Stacatto.

[@RustyBelle-b6p]

Need the XC version of HD.

[@SebastianCaine-rl6xj]

Does their Glock patterned magazine ( I'm guessing steel and hi cap ) actually can be used on a Glock?

[@WiscoAdventures]

Fully ambi, meaning you can rotate your mag release to the other side?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

yes

[@jberry1979]

Would you be able to use this for limited optics?

[@IRC1776]

Yes

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

yup

[@MikeUtah]

Does this still have a 1911 grip angle?

[@chltmdwp]

Yea

[@leftyo9589]

just eyeballing here, but it does not look the same. would like to see someone stick one of these on top of a 1911/2011.

[@aztronomy7457]

How can it have a 1911 grip angle with metal Glock mags?

[@chltmdwp]

@ Staccato said it has an 1911 grip angle...

[@Heath3250]

So Glock grip angle?

[@oddsparrow8522]

I don’t own an staccato but all the you describe about the size is what I disalike with the todays gun vs the 2011 from the 90 - read STI Edge .40 I think that they should look into to put in more rounds if they have the space. And I don’t understand why Glock mag is something - I don’t care about that either - nice that they thought about red dot place mount. But nice report as always..

[@MrKingArthurhk]

I heard they can use all Glock magazines.

[@stovepipe8966]

Love to pair the HD 4.5 with my G-mag SPC9 for IDPA matches but can’t - Thanks Canada 🤬

[@jessco8950]

Another beautiful firearm I can’t afford :(

[@raymuccianti9438]

Do I see ports in the island?

[@simonizedpb]

No ports on the sight block version. I am sure it will be possible aftermarket and I fully expect them to release a comped version once they have a bunch of these out.

[@theexpressionbooth]

I thought it took glock mags? Is that a dofferent model?

[@DavidBrown-wo9ip]

Mec-Gar is making metal Glock mags, but yes this will take Glock pattern magazines, (factory, PMags et al).😎✌️

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

it is a glock mag - the new Mac Gar glock mag.

[@Michael_45_AARP]

Great, but is Michele there 🤣

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

she is

[@PatrickHenry-t1s]

Everyone yearning for the Staccock....Glocatto? What are calling this chat?

[@michaelwhite9199]

Looks interesting but I’m not in the market for a carry gun that expensive.

[@robolson7669]

Hey! What happened to all the lefty hate? I miss that! That said…….i had given up on 2011 guns since I’m a lefty. Now, with even an ambi slide stop in a 2011 package……I’m all in! I am starting to save up for 2 of them. I don’t quite have the money to just buy them right away unfortunately.

[@FoulPet]

2?

[@GigiolaCinquetty]

Staccato would interest me if it was so inovative that the barrel and the recoil spring swapt places ... this is just an other glorified 1911 !

[@wehrwolfe69]

Took away the grip safety 🤣 That made a 2011/1911 probably the safest gun to carry appendix

[@Annoyingdog37]

Ah yes, platypus clone

[@boog3690]

Well imagine that...Sticcato taking ques from a PSA Dagger with that sight orientation?!? Who'd a thunk it! 😂

[@Hawtload]

this is what glocks should have evolved into by now

[@puma51921]

I like it.

[@raymuccianti9438]

That slide looked brutally choppy to pull back.

[@aaronrcreed]

Hammer forward is going to be choppy on any hammer fire system. Generally not going to be run in that condition.

[@mlevans066]

Dope

[@larrycaro1333]

Cool

[@TouchBrass]

They should have went with p365 mags

[@alfredjr2k556]

This Staccato handgun is 9mm?

[@watchfan89355509]

only in HD SERIES

[@miles267]

Staccato are neat though BUL are nicer 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@FoulPet]

Why would someone who would buy a staccato worry about glock mags?

[@M1911jln]

Because 2011 magazines are suboptimal for 9mm. 2011 magazines are longer than necessary for 9mm, because the 2011 was designed for 45 ACP. As a result, 2011s have very large grip circumference. By going to a Glock pattern magazine, the grip circumference can be made smaller, making the gun’s grip fit more hands. For me, the big advantage isn’t the cost of the magazines. The big advantage is the smaller grip.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Dudes who typically carry Staccatos in an LE context are your SWAT guys - the patrol officers carry Glocks. They have mag commonality with all the officers in the area. They wanted a gun that manipulated with one hand, could be reconfigured to work with either hand, and have compatibility with all the other guns in their departments fleet.

[@FoulPet]

​@@M1911jlnwhy not design your own mags? They designed a 3k gun. SIG came up with a new mag design. HK mags work fine in HK pistols. Sure, they are plentiful and cheap, but if you're dropped 3k, I doubt cheap is something you're worried about.

[@FoulPet]

@TheHumbleMarksman I guess that makes sense but then the target audience is swat guys. I own multiple glocks and never worried that the rest of my collection didn't take glock mags.

[@M1911jln]

@@FoulPetBecause that is expensive and time consuming, and will result in the gun requiring proprietary, expensive magazines. It is far better for them to choose an existing, reliable magazine than to develop their own proprietary magazines. Magazine development is a difficult, expensive, and time consuming process. Talk to USPSA competitors about their expensive 2011 magazines, how they require tuning to work properly, how the feed lips are easily damaged, and how they clean the magazines every time they drop them on a dusty range.

[@HectorHernandez-dn7mu]

That would by 7000000$ 😂

[@atomicsmith]

This seems like such an odd choice. Metal Glock mags!? So it likely will not work with existing Glock mags, but they had to change the grip to the Glock angle. They’ve also added ribs to the mags to mimic the thickness of a Glock mag, so they’re not even getting the grip as slim as possible. CZ75, P320, P365 or B92 mags all would have made more sense.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

the Mecgar mag is a nicer mag - it's the same length as a OEM mag but has an extra round - with how the mag cutouts are set up it will work with poly mag catches on Glocks no problem. The point wasn't to shrink down a glock mag - it was to make a metal - better - mag tube and the benefit of that is that it gets an extra round.

[@atomicsmith]

@ I totally agree these are probably superior to Glock mags. I stand by my original comment that there are already very well established metal mag platforms that are slimmer, have a more traditional grip angle, and have a better capacity (beretta 92 for instance). Heck the 21 round X-macro mags are probably the same length as these, and slimmer. Is there anyone in the market for a $2700 duty setup that is trying to skimp on $40 mags?? Are existing glock mags even going to be durable in this HD gun?

[@nmbr1robb]

He already commented earlier that even though it uses a Glock-dimensioned magazine, it ISN’T a Glock angle grip. It’s same as their other models (1911 angle).

[@atomicsmith]

@ The Glock magazine has a different insertion angle from most other mags. It has definitely changed the blackstrap angle. I checked it on handgunhero. A lot of people call the glock angle “1911” when it doesn’t have the glock hump, but it is not exactly the same. 1911 is usually listed as 19deg and Glock as 21.