The 2017 Point Guard Class..6 Years Later

[@Koohai]

Crazy to think that 2017 was 6 years ago.

[@joelvalenzuela6039]

made me feel old man

[@sephirrothvt]

Crazy to think lonzo was making the bulls look good and viable, as a contender, only then his knees have out, some players can't catch breas

[@Koohai]

@@sephirrothvt Yeah, I feel bad for Lonzo Ball. It seems he finally found a home only for his lower body to give out on him. I hope he bounces back

[@Tony_1294]

Insane to think about

[@thatstress1]

Facts

[@thareelhelloagain]

Good for DeAaron for eventually proving to be the best PG from a seemingly stacked class. My boy!

[@Hamburgerdad]

I remember us Kings fans wanted DSJ since we were slotted to be picking later (but had moved up due to the lottery). Happy that most of us are not GMs lol

[@danimalman3]

​@@HamburgerdadI was looking forward to de'aaron fox.

[@Meechie0817]

@@Hamburgerdad q😊😊quickie we 😊😊😊😊q

[@solidkingcobra]

LIGHT THE BEAM!

[@grammysworld5449]

​@Hamburgerdad we wanted Smith Jr because we didn't think the Lakers were dumb enough to pass on Fox

[@johnpaul8938]

Not just statistically but also in the eye test. Fox is on another level when it comes to the last 5 minutes of a close game.

[@oversoon]

Markell’s fultz is redeeming himself!! Many nights he’s been the best player on the magic. The magic have also been very competitive since he got back from injury. I’m so proud of him.

[@mensongbor2649]

fults is really having a crazy comback story that nobody is really talking about.

[@j3nnytool]

That’s what playing in Orlando does to ya. They’ve got a ton of interesting talent they just don’t get much coverage.

[@12savage68]

Craziest 13 ppg ever .... definitely a centerpiece on a winning team.

[@joecesh]

he's been great, but not on a Star-level like fox

[@trillkevin7632]

@@joeceshMarkell better then him all fox does and run fast and still can’t shoot good

[@joecesh]

@@trillkevin7632 So is Tatum better than Giannis? Cause all Giannis do is Run & Dunk? Lol Fox is an all star averaging 25/4/6, Fultz average 13/4/5 on a tanking team. Fultz is good, waiting for him to be great

[@DavidBaggaShorts]

Sucks about lonzo. Hoping he can recover for next season. He was fun to watch and coming into his own in the league

[@uasakura]

Hard to recover ahen hs dad training is very very harmful to knees

[@WestCoastCheeseHead]

@@uasakuraalso doesn’t help Chicago’s medical staff botching surgeries and not having him do pool exercises

[@malrulesall9669]

@@WestCoastCheeseHeadexactly

[@rapgodreloaded9259]

@@WestCoastCheeseHead Agreed I hope he gets a third opinion and hire his own team doctors. Zo will need a consistent mid range to save his career.

[@Draggo.]

I always knew just from watching highlights and other things about Derrick White that he was gonna be something. I said to a friend immediately when he got drafted that "He seems like he's gonna be a great contributor for the Spurs". I know he plays for the Celtics now, but I am so happy to see I was right. Dude has a very good mentality and has always wanted to improve.

[@bal_main]

this man think he lebron

[@FTO9797]

@@bal_main😂😂😂

[@Skyraider_23]

First and foremost I’m super glad to have your videos in my subscriptions again, I really appreciate your insight and your tone of voice works well. As for my main point I would ask to please make this a series, I’ve seen a lot of like what are lottery picks looking like now. But going by each position for a class is really interesting to see what the direct rivals have developed into. Please do other positions then move on to more classes. At least imo

[@jbthestoner5504]

I feel terrible for Lonzo and his injuries. Not only for his basketball career, but his life going forward. He's gonna have much more mobility issues much earlier than he should because of all this. Maybe they can get him back into playing shape at some point, but imagine what he'll be like at 40, 50 years old.

[@voiceofreason2674]

My theory is that Lavar worked him out too hard as a kid. And this was before the fame so there was no pro facilities. Lavar had that kid getting it in, in the driveway, in the street, on some Press Maravich shi but Lavar wasn’t even the coach anywhere with a gym at his disposal. He had Lonzo working his azz off in the streets of chino hills

[@christianschmidt95]

This class had some of the most promising guards in years

[@dayostical]

It seems like just yesterday that Lavar was making media rounds to hype Lonzo's NBA debut, and this video reminded me it was six years ago. Time is moving too fast.

[@eftichismalandrakis]

Closer to death by the second. Depressing stuff

[@WestCoastCheeseHead]

Man I remember the Lonzo vs De’aaron debates

[@richjebs4605]

Celtics found their perfect fit in Derrick White and Malcolm Brogdon, really good players and can step in for Jaylen Brown and Tatum to manage the load

[@Pleebian94]

Derrick White was fun to watch in San Antonio. He has his moments where he can takeover scoring wise but his discipline in setting up plays, moving around without the ball, and defense are what helped the Celtics go deep into the playoffs.

[@Josh_2992]

​@A Filthy Pleeb yup. Dude has insane bbiq. He's such a smart dude and always makes the right play

[@sandyscheeks9624]

Derrick White is so underrated and I’m saying this as a Warriors fan😂🔥

[@voiceofreason2674]

I had a first hand look at Lonzo transforming his game during that one year with Stan Van Gundy. Stan really took a liking to Lonzo and played in a Rec league with Lavar Ball. Stan really helped Lonzo improve his handles and coached him to be a spot up wing in the half court who could flash the full court point guard skills when he helped secure takeaways. Stan is a loud mouth but honestly the smartest coach I’ve ever been around

[@malrulesall9669]

I feel bad for lonzo man he’s exciting to watch when healthy 🥲

[@MrQuestful]

6:01 Lonzo May have suffered lower leg injuries because of how bad his shoes were. He ended up not using them, but it cost him dearly.

[@692nesian]

I heard he's been having lower leg injuries way before he debuted those bbb shoes. He's been having those leg injuries since he was at Chino hills. And not only that, it seems like he's put in a lot of hours playing on concrete growing up; therefore, he's paying the cost of it now.

[@rapgodreloaded9259]

@@692nesian did Zo had injury issues in chino hills?

[@ikefromsmashbros9237]

Frank Mason was THAT GUY in college. I understand that his size really held him back, but it's still mystifying to me how a great playmaker and smooth shooter like him never found a role in the NBA.

[@chinter]

The game's changed and you need switchable defenders. FM3 has a really hard time on P&R. He's always been a bucket at every level but most of the time you need a stopper off the bench and sadly he isn't it for the NBA game

[@grammysworld5449]

Once I Saw how Fox did my Bruins and Lonzo in the tournament, I wanted my Kings to draft him.. Glad he finally has some help

[@THEEJoeSmith]

Please make this a series

[@robertocontreras4006]

Great episode can’t wait for next Sunday.

[@yhonatangoldberg4101]

Yes, please do this again for another class!

[@duffal0]

Do 2018 next, lots of great guards in that draft, Luka, SGA, Trae, Brunson and more I can’t remember lol

[@umbreonpokemon8190]

that was a great draft. lots of role players on rosters still today and the undrafted guys are pretty underrated.

[@roneteus]

Sucks that DSJ didn't work out in Dallas, but I'm still rooting for him.

[@mindofball19]

my legit dream would’ve been to see Luka & DSJ be Chris Paul & Harden 2.0 or at least like all stars together

[@trillkevin7632]

They picked luka over him and that shit anit working out for them 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@frniuu2061]

@@trillkevin7632so you’d rather them pick DSJ over a future HOF superstar talent? Drugs

[@trillkevin7632]

@@frniuu2061 how you know he’s going to be a hof y’all luka fans dumb as hell

[@hilriekemp]

Man Lavar Balls training regiment of Lonzo growing up is what ruined his knees, the stuff he had him doing was completely unessicary for a basketball player. And when he posted himself lifting weights that technique was terrible and incredibly unsafe as far a ligament damage goes. He has some bad workout habits and it starts with Lavar I don't know how he was a physical trainer teaching bs like that

[@GriefingGamer]

Facts I think Melo playing ball in Lithuania and Australia early on when he was still young asf helped him develop better workout habits than Lonzo, in Ball in the Family you can see Lithuania made sure Melo was always well taken care of especially when he was shooting up in height and making sure he didn’t get himself injured while growing

[@DIAB10mtmg]

No its not Lavars fault lonzo either has brandon roy type knees or the injuries are in his head outta no where hes out for over a year is crazy

[@GriefingGamer]

@@DIAB10mtmg I forgot what video it is but search up Lonzo Ball injury explained a PT I think goes into detail about why Lonzo’s ligaments being weaker are due to only ever playing basketball and over exertion in training

[@hilriekemp]

@@DIAB10mtmg here's the video bro was talking about kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHvPZn6Hh96tbKc

[@renkane3086]

@@DIAB10mtmgwhat about liangelo and lamelo?

[@Weather_Nerd]

Fox was ALWAYS clutch 😆

[@noylakers9755]

White needs to hit up Bron about that hairline comeback.

[@rellocity23]

Great video bro 💯

[@alanrobert3098]

It was a pretty weird draft, in the end. Fultz has been a player I've found very interesting his whole career. Lot of buzz about him, then the whole mystery, but even when he was with the 76ers, I saw flashes of real potential that, I feel, were a bit crushed and tempered by Simmons, and he needed to get out of that shadow (or, the at the time unthinkable, Simmons be moved). Watching him play for the Magic, even a couple years ago, he showed real progress and a growing confidence, and is one of my fave players to watch these days. The amazing thing is, aside from Fox and maybe White, you'd say nobody really jumps out: Fox is the only superstar kinda player at the moment, but a couple could make the leap, yet aside from that, there are a lot of good level starter quality players for teams running the 4-8 range in a conference, or a very solid 3rd or 4th option on a contender, far outstripping the 2020 draft, IMO.

[@50yearsago44]

Markelle is an allstar next year

[@nessdagoat]

Fultz was in a motorcycle accident before his rookie season. That’s why the nerve damage and the jacked up shooting form. The story been out there

[@smiis3149]

that was a debunked urban legend

[@nessdagoat]

@@smiis3149 no it wasn’t lol

[@lincolnliking]

That's not true

[@evanh.6462]

@@smiis3149 who debunked it? He entered the league with TOS. He had a confirmed motor bike crash that he brushed off in the original podcast where he talked about his TOS. He brushed it off like “that’s a whole other story”. Of course he’s gonna do that. You aren’t meant to ride motorcycles or dirt bikes in the league. He’s worth millions; can’t risk his body like that. But it was well know that he was an experienced dirt bike rider One of the more common injuries from motorbike crashes is TOS.

[@Runescapewithred]

​@@evanh.6462 There's never been any confirmation on an accident. It's all just speculation from people like you.

[@hesolitty_]

2017 being 6 years ago is crazy

[@willstamcgee11]

Seems like common theme is if you can’t shoot as a guard you aren’t going far in nba

[@jordanogun3692]

Continue series for other draft classes

[@thomaslafever7540]

Amazing video

[@marcomcdowell8861]

Derrick White should take $20 of that millions and hit up a barber.

[@50yearsago44]

Markelle is an allstar next year

[@johnpaul8938]

I never knew Derrick White was on this class! Thought he was 2019

[@Jaykerz]

I really wanted the suns to draft Fox over Jackson in 17

[@mindofball19]

i did it in 2k and Fox was straight ass🔥 lmao

[@futuredeth]

his lower just might be cooked lmaooooo Caine you are comedy

[@4_kingss]

Love Derrick white, wish he could come back to San Antonio

[@Benster96]

Great timing for this video Lonzo with the bulls was a massive L

[@InfiniteCoreXD]

He's not old he gonna have his best years as he ages

[@mercutiomurphy2743]

He had knee surgery and still has pain. That's really messed up.

[@Benster96]

@@mercutiomurphy2743 I hoping Lonzo returns to the bulls and can stay healthy. But it is a L my dude at the moment

[@EmersonOfeimun]

The best news this week was Derrick White shaving off that Travesty-of-an-afro off his dome. Any other person paused @2:10 ? i shuddered.

[@mr.z6252]

I was even more amazed, after knowing that Derrick White is in the same Draft Class as Tatum No wonder their Chemistry Matched Well

[@vinsmoketatum8583]

Doesn't mean anything actually. I think White is 4 years older

[@dinzehhh]

derrick, JT, JB and marcus played on team USA together

[@carmichaelking3338]

Fox is statistically the most clutch player in the NBA by a considerable margin rn

[@vinniechan]

Derrick White over the years build a wide and solid base of the foundation of his game as a result there will always be a place for him in teh NBA I'm happy for Fultz. it seems that he just releanrt his shootin from scrach all over instead of trying to fix it.

[@johnpineda8478]

Lonzo has officially been ruled out by the bulls

[@TheNYSaint]

Frank Mason is just a cool dude. The league didn't work out for him but he's great

[@_stoatchaser]

The big thing about frank mason the third is the jacket he had on in the press conference

[@CC-bw7im]

Really wish fultz never had that shoulder injury his game is still great but more slashing his hesi pull up in college was just butter

[@mercutiomurphy2743]

Lonzo got bad knees, Gelo ain't even sniffing a roster spot, and Lamelo is on the bottom 4 worst teams in the NBA. BALL in the family

[@nessdagoat]

And none of them will have to work a normal job ever and still make ends meet. 😂😂

[@uasakura]

Well, its a family of Ls

[@ahahpapa2023]

U need some rest with a dope pillow

[@jaysonoweh2227]

@@nessdagoat neat just like every other pro. To bad the family can't play longer than 1 season without injuries

[@colbylandwehr3334]

I thought lonzo would be an elite nba player

[@Justtypeintony]

@2:25 wrong, jayson Tatum as well

[@donnieflowers8276]

2017 draft point guards rankings for 2023 season 7. Frank 6. DSJ 5. Monte 4. Fultz 3. Lonzo* (injury) 2. White 1. Fox

[@rileykazama3145]

Hopefully lonzo can stay healthy

[@nbapbaupdate8338]

Jaylen Brown your next video CaineLoveCali 🙏🙏🙏

[@mindofball19]

i will say this about Dennis Smith. his defense didn’t just “slightly” improve. he is the #2 on/off guy defensively in all of basketball. the hornets go from one of the worst to a capable and at least respectable defensive team literally just from him single handedly coming into the game

[@jedkyle5873]

Whats your argument for White being the best role player?

[@Carlos-ms1yx]

Fox #1

[@deanespinosa6399]

My man cainelovescali 🔥

[@ThatOtherJames]

Fox isn’t “one of the most” clutch players. He is the most clutch player statistically speaking of course.

[@dinzehhh]

let’s put some respect on derrick whites name yessir

[@kylepatillo5071]

Man shout out to the kings assiant she's the real MVP

[@Juniorb31401]

I feel bad for lonzo

[@hastexd923]

Derrick White’s hairline is insane

[@3timez]

Coming out the draft I swore Dennis Smith Jr. was going to be this era's Baron Davis. I had that one wrong. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@cfeegs]

Luka was drafted after Dennis smith? Luka wasn’t in any of the mavs plans when they drafted Dennis

[@chapter23]

The ball family genes 💀

[@kendrezflournoy2429]

What's the beat in the beginning

[@colinclean46]

Fun fact: Lamelo Ball has more career points than Lonzo Ball...

[@dominiclee5786]

05:40 Lonzo Ball is the most overrated player in NBA history.

[@NotOnHerb]

Nigga

[@Davivd2]

Lonzo's knee's worry me. Watching him come out of pre season into his first season his knees were sore and he was taking cortisone shots.

[@rdp6096]

Monte morris over 5 assists for bets is ez money lol

[@tpsam]

3:52 look crazy stuff bucks personnel helping 76ers players But now all of a sudden Giannis isn't welcomed in Philadelphia look at the double standards

[@03stmlax]

At what point was Fox "struggling in his early career"?? His rookie year wasn't great, but it wasn't bad either

[@silvestrustate2835]

What bout Tatum?

[@arjunbains801]

Tatum isn’t a guard

[@J27M]

Sacramento got Kodak Black?

[@Inktownicon]

Everyone doesn’t have to be a good three point shooter

[@Gubuyguy]

Lakers need Derrick white

[@Culturepreneur]

The crazy part is what if the Z02s are the reason why lonzo’s knees are bad

[@Anthonystark63]

Man I thought frank Mason could stick around like jammer Nelson but it didn't happen

[@mrfool3545]

They should have tanked for luka tho

[@Slimreaper505]

Derrick White needs to cut that hair off 😂😂😂

[@NickMachado]

Derrick white being better than Lonzo is hysterical. I remember the constant stories of lonzo being better than curry, KD, lebron and micheal jordan combined. Shits too funny lmaoo

[@alexescutia4805]

He’s just healthier

[@BlackGrape97]

I would rather have a reliable role player than a star that never plays

[@pas69tie]

d fox looking like a steal

[@moisesalmonte8271]

Derek White and De'Aaron Fox are the better point guard in this draft

[@jasonking971]

I know Smart won DPOY, but I seriously would prefer White as the starter over him.Hell, id prefer Brogdon over him as well.

[@mikevismyelement]

Depends on the rest of the lineup imo

[@jasonking971]

@@mikevismyelement white at pg, brown at sg, Tatum at sf, horford at pf, time lord at C. Or if going small....white and brogdon at pg and sg, jb at sf, Tatum at pf, Williams at C

[@ConcaCon]

@@mikevismyelement Versatility and depth are truly the big strengths of the Celtics. They can field a variety of lineups depending on who they're matching up with.

[@vinsmoketatum8583]

Someone's not watching Celtics.

[@jasonking971]

@@vinsmoketatum8583 who?

[@camronmcgrath9973]

Derrick needs to just go bald lol 😂

[@IWish_ThatWasTrue]

Dat hair doe

[@jakesummitt2749]

JT is only 19!

[@socialmediaego]

Looks like Markelle was the better choice then Lonzo Ball

[@victorbravo1859]

White needs to just accept it and shave his head man damn

[@zebracorn4281]

Main issue with Lonzo is he worked too hard as a kid, he'd run up some hill every offseason, and running is bad on the knees, he started doing the hill run since he as a teenager. I think it's caught up to him.

[@jaysonoweh2227]

Low iq

[@kylepatillo5071]

I always wonder what he look like with out that headband on

[@ahahpapa2023]

U would look like his son

[@MrGA555]

Bruh all Ball has is his name. He should have been in the G league. If players like Seth Curry had to struggle I don’t get why Ball can’t

[@uhcuhc.]

I thought lonzo and tatum is on the same draft class year together

[@eftichismalandrakis]

They are

[@uhcuhc.]

@@eftichismalandrakis yeah²

[@Tsuny999]

Superteam Celtics

[@Oniijh]

Fox had Bam and monk and Uk still lost

[@7se7entp]

Markelle Fultz still ain’t better than Zo

[@frniuu2061]

He might be after Zo’s surgeries, he might never come back the same way again.

[@DezzNutzz69]

Boston's basically nothing Derrick White trade = Spurs convert it to 4 2nd round picks, Devonte graham & 2022 25th pick. LOL 🤣 You funny dude 🤣

[@kevo6463]

I was todays years old when I learned Derrick white was drafted in 2017 idk why I thought he’s been in the league for years