The 5 Most CONFUSING Trades In NHL history

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In today's video we go over the trade stories of Kris Draper, Tom "Bussey" Martin (This guy was traded for a friggen bus Ricky), Marc Andre Fleury, Scott Stevens / Brendan Shanahan and the bizarre waiver incident, and Kevin Shattenkirk.
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[@RobTalksHockey]

What is the most confusing trade you can think of?

[@CanadaMudkip]

Anything Mike Milbury

[@victoriak5802]

flower...

[@ozma6918]

Michel Bergeron to the Rangers?

[@timomajere]

Jagr for Carter. STILL not sure what that was about because it couldnt just be cap space...

[@timomajere]

in 1990, Ray Sheppard was traded for a dollar too between the rangers and buffalo You can check his wiki info on it

[@jok3r906]

Draper for a $1... greatest trade steal ever imo

[@killermon117]

Yup.. no wonder why that jets organization collapsed and moved to Arizona where they still are cursed

[@matejstefansky7659]

it is... he won 4 cups and selke. Detroit got 1300 of games for 1 buck. INSANE...

[@ozma6918]

"I'd buy that for a dollar" they took it to heart 😂

[@jayden2669]

I know i would give anything for a dollar ;)

[@lancenorman2632]

@@matejstefansky7659 he also was part of team canada as a third/forth line centre because of his face-off skills as well as defensive play/speed.

[@jeremykraenzlein5975]

Even today, with Draper retired as a player and working in the team's management, when I see him interviewed I sometimes still think "Yep, that's the best buck we ever spent!"

[@ozma6918]

I'm almost surprised the Michel Bergeron trade from the Québec Nordiques to the Rangers isn't mentioned here. I mean... When does anyone hear about a COACH being traded... Heheh!

[@sacredalien8011]

Actually used to happen quite a bit. Last one I remember was Vancouver trading John Tortorella to Columbus for a 2nd round pick. 😂 guy got a pretty decent return

[@kodyskwarchuk7421]

Kevin Lowe trading Ryan Smythe because Smythe wanted an extra 100K a year, and Lowe didn’t wanna pay him. That was a weird one. Dude didn’t deserve to have his number retired for doing that.

[@MrNWA4Life]

Smyth not Smythe

[@richardprescott5939]

Smyth got a huge contract from the Avs and was not remotely worth it. Lowe was lucky he didn't accept their offer.

[@rickseiden1]

The glasses look great, but you need to find an alternative lighting source. Those rings on your eyes are awful!

[@chaiwarrior111]

Yeah, always enjoy the vids, but you may want to sort that, matey.

[@chaiwarrior111]

Still liking the vid, damn it!

[@scooterelway9191]

or just put them in angles so we dont see the reflection

[@skeppartorsk]

@@scooterelway9191 The whole point of a ring light is to give a 360degree light source on the face. It essentially works like IRL airbrushing and makes practically everyone look amazing. It does require the light to be close up right behind the camera to actually do that though. If you can't have it there (cause of glasses, etc.). It really is better to just get another lighting solution. Because a ring light only works under those specific circumstances. Used any other way it's just a massively overpriced floor lamp, and about as useful for studio lighting as one, too. The other solution is to always look slightly off camera. But since Rob's style is to always have eye contact, that's not applicable here. Hope it's still refundable, I guess? Or just always record without glasses. That's what a lot of ASMRtists who normally wear glasses do. Cause they love their ring lights more than their ability to actually see things. Rob Hockey/Dog ASMR channel coming when?

[@scooterelway9191]

@@skeppartorsk didnt knew that thanks for the info !!

[@MoneyHoneyBunny]

Marc Andre Fleury is literally the Chris Osgood of this era. Also 3 cup wins, 5 total finals, also disrespected at times, also should be in the hall of fame, also played amazing when he left his original team (Osgood had winning records with St Louis and the Islanders and proved he wasn't just succeeding cause of Detroit) and holy shit, Draper,,, 1 of the 'Fab 5' you could call them with Maltby Holmstrom Lidstrom and McCarty, the only 5 guys to be on all 4 of those cup winning teams... yeah Detroit can forever say THANKS WINNIPEG

[@mangrove]

Kris Draper's first career goal was in Detroit, when he was still a member of the Winnipeg Jets. And he wore the #91 then. He had to change numbers when traded to Detroit, obviously.

[@JoelER78]

Man, that was a bad trade by the Jets. They should have held on to him!

[@johnshields6852]

Draper was a big part of the redwings team, those teams were one of the alltime greats, so balanced with playmakers all over the lineup.

[@lukelang7781]

Draper was involuntarily responsible for one of the greatest rivalries in nhl history

[@kipblass2131]

Yeah, back in the day, GM's would be like- GM1: "Hey, whatcha got there?" GM2: "It's this new thing from Starbucks. They call it a mochaccino." GM1: "I'll give you Mike Sillinger for it?"

[@ezehogan]

Blues got hosed on that Stevens/Shanahan ruling. It was the NHL’s way of punishing them for being players in the new free agency concept.

[@brendangehl1189]

Blues also hosed themselves out of a cup core of Shanahan, hull, and cujo that was destroyed for nothing.

[@joshg1845]

Will never forget Jimmy Rutherford trading a first round pick for Ryan Reaves Ryan Reaves

[@jaggr1287]

If was the last pick in the first round, though

[@joshg1845]

@@jaggr1287 Even by that logic, trading a second round pick, which is basically what #31 is in theory, for Ryan Reaves when your two time cup winning coach has a system revolving entirely around speed is asinine. Jason Robertson and NIc Hague were still on the board. Trading that value for a player who does nothing but hit fight and take penalties in today's game is mind numbingly stupid

[@jamesjoste5959]

You mentioned binningron at the beginning, then went into the Scott Stevens deal. Stevens turned into shanahan, shanahan turned into pronger, pronger turned into Eric brewer, brewer turned into a 3rd round pick who was Jordan binnington. That should be a video by itself. That’s 7 cups for the three hall of famers for the blues to finally get there cup.

[@scsmith4604]

Yeah, it was an awesome string of deals putting together players and picks that all turned out to be pretty great. Good stuff

[@sashimiroll5055]

I just wanted to take a moment and thank you for the Every Child Matters shirt on the wall. As a Métis woman, it means so much to see support like that, thank you.

[@bdbdkdfotbrveiw]

Binnington: “do I look nervous” ice in his fucking veins

[@TrenbologneSandwich]

He's looked REALLY nervous ever since lmao

[@bdbdkdfotbrveiw]

@@TrenbologneSandwich 🤣🤣🤣 he’ll make it back im sure

[@thony2740]

Absolutely goated video for using the golden eye soundtrack

[@knganth3m]

Love the every child matters, thank you for displaying the shirt, perhaps a lot of people will ask questions about it.

[@MrJamesSantos88]

How about Joe Thornton being traded in the middle of his MVP season? Only time it’s ever happened in all four major sports

[@TrenbologneSandwich]

4 major sports? Hockey, Boxing, Powerlifting, MMA?

[@loosetube5417]

@@TrenbologneSandwich Hockey, basketball, football, baseball.

[@TrenbologneSandwich]

@@loosetube5417 nobody cares about baseball, football, or basketball. You must mean Hockey, Strongman, Bodybuilding, and watching paint dry since those are all much more enjoyable and more popular

[@canuck2444]

He wouldn't have had that season if he stayed in boston. His points per game rate exploded after that.

[@vmi4172]

Drapes is one of the best, if not the best, 3rd line C ever! A legend in Detroit!

[@JTCLARK91]

Loving the content ….and the shirt in the background

[@TheRealLulZ91]

Kris Draper for 1 dollar? I can’t even buy a water bottle for one dollar lol

[@ericscottstevens]

Adam Oates trade for Detroit still is a mystery. A team needing whatever talent they could net from bottom of the ocean. Oates had close to 200 points in 4 seasons, traded for Bernie Federko and Tony McKegney. There had to be more backstory to this legendary bad trade for Detroit.

[@timmygressler7468]

Mike Vernon won the Conn Smythe in 97 and was traded to San Jose the following season

[@dylanfaith5490]

My guy said “make the nhl and I’ll know your name” lol love the videos man

[@wingnut2002scc]

Ok Shanny went to Hartford and would be traded for Paul Coffey Keith primeau and a first round pick which ended up being a wash as the whalers were no longer a franchise shortly after

[@ludovicforbes-tardivel8450]

Love the background music from Golden eye on the Nintendo 64 !!!

[@Swoop187OG187]

I'm shocked that some fans are shocked that players have been sold for a dollar.. I mean I thought everyone knew about the Kris Draper trade... Look, Winnipeg literally gave Draper to the Wings for free, and I doubt Winnipeg ever received that dollar... The thing is for a legal contract to be transferred (regardless of the asset) it has to be sold for a dollar or more to make it a "legal sale" - presumably for tax reasons. So yea, it was a dollar "on paper" but I doubt there was an actual dollar exchanged. I'm sure it was something like "we'll get together next week and you can buy me lunch" type deals.. Now as to why Draper was "sold" for a buck??... I would presume Winnipeg was at their roster limit of 50 contracts and they wanted to sign a guy so they had to get rid of a contract to make that happen, so they just gave Draper to Detroit for "free".. Of course for all I know Draper was lost as a bet in a card game -- yes, that has happened -- players have been won and lost via GM's and owners gambling.. Look, players have been traded/sold for much weirder things than a dollar.... Back in the 60's or 70's (I forgot) a player (I forgot) was traded for a Zamboni and a Net... So yea, I'm sure many players have been traded for odd stuff behind the scenes, or lost as bets or lost gambling.. Obviously you cant tell the media you lost a player gambling or you traded him for off-ice stuff etc... That's why you saw a lot of "traded for cash" pre-1993 or so -- it wasn't always "cash" lol.... Also, if a team puts in a waiver claim for a player the team would have to pay $100,000 to buy that contract.. At least the price used to be $100K, it's probably more now.

[@ggvellira4895]

great hockey vids, the glare on your glasses is a smidge harsh, thumbs up

[@freiflug83]

I had to look up the Kris Draper trade. Was REALLY curious who the Jets kept on the team that their GM thought made Draper expendable. The Centremen the Jets kept are: Alexei Zhamnov, Luciano Borsato, Stu Barnes (38 games), Ed Olczyk (#2C, 25 games, then traded to NYR), and Troy Murray (29 games, then traded to Chicago). So you're telling me Borsato and Murray were worth keeping over Draper? Mind blowing 😕

[@RobTalksHockey]

Haha! thanks for the research.

[@Actionronnie]

I was 20 at the time, nobody even cared he got traded. Zhamnov, Steen, Borsato and Barnes were the centers they went with. Draper was not staying with a third/fourth line center who could score 15 goals at the time without playing a full season (Borsato)

[@JoelER78]

@@Actionronnie Correct, Draper was below the 4th line at the time. Well, for 1992-93, the 4th line centre was Mike Eagles. I think Barnes played some wing and centre and so did Borsato that season. However, Draper was traded just after this season.

[@strappingyoungchad]

Loving the Goldeneye music in the background

[@nealhowell9574]

the best part of the Draper trade, he paid back the dollar to Mike Illitch as well

[@anthonytony8328]

You could have added the Patrick Sharp trade to Dallas in which through a series of moves after that, the Hawks ended up with essentially getting a cap hit on Rob Scuderi.

[@kitfisto1827]

Worse than the return on the Chelios to Detroit trade?

[@95VideoMan]

Nice specs! Video idea - X Times something happened in a game where there was no rule to decide what to do. Would love to see something like that, although I assume most of the examples would be much older.

[@kevinalexander6812]

And they'd probably all involve Roger Neilson

[@kyledonovan7546]

Feel bad for Flower in Chicago

[@MrZachtheKingsfan]

Remember when there was a rumor he might even retire if that trade went through? Starting to look like that might have not been a bad idea. He at least would have ended his career on a high note

[@anthonytony8328]

It's not Fluery, It's the Hawks shitty defense. The last 4 years they can't win a board battle, the can't get the puck out of their own zone. They constantly turn the puck over. Terrible

[@odadathomasanderson5364]

Peter Pocklington, owner of the Oilers when Gretzky was traded, wasn't a billionaire. Barely a millionaire

[@christophermerlot3366]

And managed to become more hated in Alberta than PE Trudeau with that deal. And that's saying something.

[@allspeed1234]

Agreed… get your facts straight rob.

[@holoholopainen1627]

Greztky Deal The Best - THING For Californian Hockey ! Games vs Montreal 1993 - were like The Russian SERIES !

[@johanz1985]

Mike Vernon won the Conn Smythe in '97 (major award) and was traded to SJ later that summer

[@RobTalksHockey]

True. But was it for literally nothing?

[@richardcarlson127]

On the Draper trade: was it a US dollar or Canadian?

[@zacherylewis3755]

Loving the shirt in the back

[@Thrashman-ye4cf]

Now Drapes is known as one of the best 3rd line centers of all time and is assistant GM next to Stevie Y, who together just drafted his son, Kienan Draper. LGRW.

[@HughHarding46]

And several years ago, he paid that dollar back to Mr. Illitch before he passed.

[@tylermcgriff1183]

As a blackhawks fan… not really confusing but just bad… the Seth jones trade. And Jones isn’t bad by any means, but to trade two 1st round picks, a 2nd and one of the best defensive prospects in the nhl is insane

[@letsgopens8792]

Vegas looking like they won that trade after flowers performance last night

[@basedmichigan]

Red wings traded for Dominik Hasek in 01 right after he won the vezina for kozlov and picks I believe

[@mrassissan2234]

I think Fleury trade is just because Knights wanted to clear their cap space...

[@angiemarkley2250]

😭

[@kevinalexander6812]

Yes. But the abject disrespect showed to the greatest player in their franchise history is just inexcusable. Fuck the Golden showers. Fuck every single thing about them

[@crazytomato1089]

@@kevinalexander6812 he found out threw twittet

[@WeedSmoker69]

10:32 Sergachev just livin' the life in this moment

[@1986fritzthecat]

haha, that guy hitting the smelling salts at the end of the video

[@danmorrison8194]

Why is Bobby Bacala behind Gretzky @2:50?

[@victoriak5802]

The Sam Bennet trade... It looks alright when he was on Calgary but if he played like he did on Florida WE WOULD HAVE HAD A STAR!!!

[@diefylol4845]

Love the shirt in the background🧡

[@wingnug55]

In 1957 the Red Wings traded Ted Lindsay, and Glenn Hull to Chicago for

[@jeeplivion]

Your glasses and the ring light make a great combo

[@christophermerlot3366]

It's not a ring light: he has a super power of some kind.

[@irishdabs598]

is that bond music in the backround lol

[@LacasseEric]

Have you got a DMCA copyright claim for MGM/Eon Production for using a James Bond theme remix as your background music?

[@RobTalksHockey]

Video game music is typically in a different realm. Because if they claimed video game music, nobody would play it

[@LacasseEric]

@@RobTalksHockey Nintendo does it all the time.

[@RobTalksHockey]

@@LacasseEric Not much anymore thankfully. It is like they realized that free advertising is good aha

[@themancwh9334]

I am a fan of all levels of professional hockey, you seem to be a causal to people who are fans of all levels of top tier professional hockey.

[@themancwh9334]

To call this player nothing he’s better than you he’s stronger than you, and me. This is an insult to players who work all their lives only to have it bashed by a silly guy on KZbin, who always has to correct his video during the editing process.

[@RobTalksHockey]

@@themancwh9334 :o

[@alelectric2767]

Odds are very good the Jets are on this list more the once. See GM Mike Smith on his deals and draft picks. Shanahan was cutting Craig Janney’s grass so he couldn’t stay in St.L.

[@MapleLeafMav]

Pocklington owed a balloon payment to the bank for loans he got to bail out his other businesses. He used the oilers as collateral for the loan and the bank was calling in that debt. So the 15 million paid off the balloon payment and the Oilers stayed in edmonton.

[@tylertait1731]

Thank you for hanging that shirt up

[@ChrisV-Dodge]

I’m an oilers fan, we literally traded Gretzky…

[@frankpaparo4839]

I don’t understand why the Flyers traded cam Talbot he was young when he got traded but had great potential he’s a solid goalie now and would have at least helped the flyers get in to the playoffs a little more

[@jarrettpahtayken3271]

Mad Respect for hanging that Every Child Matters T-Shirt 🧡🧡

[@eggymcmuffin6420]

Another banger of a video

[@ravensshadow2179]

What about the the John Tucker trade between Buffalo and Washington?

[@isabelleletourneau7432]

Hey! The Flower is Guy Lafleur! Fleury would be Flowered translated in English.

[@AMan_629]

Isles fan and we have too many bone head trades: Trading away a young chara a bum and a 1st that ended up being Spezza for Alexei Yashin. The isles trading away SPEZZA AND CHARA for an overrated player with an attitude problem. Trading away a 1st and 2nd to protect scrubs in the 2017 expansion draft Trading moulson a 1st and 2nd for vanek knowing he wouldn’t resign and then trade vanek for nothing the same year. Trading the pick that ended up being Marchand for a 4th and 5th. Trading away olli jokinen and Roberto Luongo for Mark Parrish and Oleg kvasha. I feel like you attacked me asking if my team made dumb trades. I’ve seen it all with millbury and snow. Dark times.

[@AMan_629]

And yes the islanders traded luongo. Guess millbury thought DiPi was the answer 🤷‍♂️

[@AMan_629]

The islanders could’ve had a dynasty in the 2000s. They could’ve had chara spezza luongo and they also drafted josh Bailey over Erik karlsson.

[@starsabove199]

Love that shirt in the back

[@zebratur9282]

I would say that Pronger winning the Hart trophy could be considered working out though

[@pdubcentral]

Oh my god that last trade with the conditional pick just kept going and going and going I couldn’t help but laugh the more complicated it got

[@burgerwarrior1558]

I respect the shirt in the background

[@lundosity]

commenting because goldeneye music. nostalgia!

[@marshallgaddis861]

Rob, I’m a fan of the ‘Yotes. Where do I begin?

[@RobTalksHockey]

My condolences

[@brokenhdmiport1921]

How much is the 1$ adjusted for inflation

[@evilmotorsports5076]

In beer league I got traded because I stopped giving my captain rides to and from the airport. In my defense I am self employed so this was taking time away from earning money and he wouldn't pay me fairly for my time. This had negative consequences for both teams. Both went from "meeting in the finals" to "first round fodder". I went to a team where the captain and I fucking hated each other for a long time prior. I booted him off my team in another league for being a locker room cancer, so I guess this was his revenge? Thank God I was rescued by another team in the off season.

[@miniperico4499]

Boston has made a lot of those kinds of trades. Like trading off Thornton or Seguin

[@mjgasiecki]

Idk if it’s just me but the whole explanation for the Scott Stevens situation was confusing as hell while just listening to the audio.

[@dm0ney743]

the jets traded away so many players for just straight cash deals trying to keep the team afloat. Really sad to see.

[@empire0]

I live in Victoria, I may have to begin a quest to find this bus

[@Thresh101]

"No more than a Career minor leaguer". Absolute disrespect to my man D-Lau. 427gp NHL 36gG 36A 72PTS and 408PIM.

[@knight905416]

Glasses and the reflection could not be ignored.

[@nicholaslibrizzi6683]

what's crazy about the fleury trade to Chicago is that hakkarainen still plays in chicago's system and not vegas' and I think he was still under contract with chicago maybe? not 100% sure about that second part

[@billcullen8586]

The Flyers trading Patrick Sharp to the Chicago Blackhawks for Matt Ellison was pretty mind blowing.

[@razorwire3056]

As a Leafs fan, this was awesome but it made no sense statistically for the Flames... Gary Leeman, Craig Berube, Michel Petit, Alexander Godynyuk and Jeff Reese to Calgary for Doug Gilmour, Jamie Macoun, Ric Nattress, Kent Manderville and Rick Wamsley. Most confusing? Toronto trading Lanny MacDonald for Bob MacMillan and Don Lever .

[@JC051210]

I feel like along with cap space, the knights management were furious that Fleury sort of gave Montreal a game in the finals that would've sent the knights to the Stanley cup.

[@Kaufhold9]

As a diehard Vegas fan with a fleury jersey I am still furious even though it was a cap dump

[@blakebrown103]

I’d like to see the cash aspect coming back

[@RobTalksHockey]

Some teams need it. Cough cough Arizona

[@sampicard-h3765]

I love the #EveryChildMatters support !

[@stupidas9466]

I got traded from my beer league team to another for a bucket of used practice pucks. Worst thing was they had to return the empty bucket afterward. I thinks the pucks lasted longer than i did!

[@crookedmouth4479]

Flower’s vezina was a lifetime achievement vezina

[@dawgbone98]

The Future Considerations guy has been traded like 500 times.

[@boomer9560]

9:40 why did Winnipeg jets say that?

[@9mmSafetyAlways0ff]

I feel the need to tell the guy to be quiet n let the n64 golden eye theme to play.

[@toptenguy1]

I believe Ray Sheppard also got traded for $1. (And he later scored 50 goals a few years later lol)

[@The-Dom]

Canucks traded away rookie Cam Neely for nearly nothing.

[@tayshark6367]

Deslaurier is the only grinder who defended the ducks until they traded him

[@dominickefrim3088]

I've had a lot of hockey fans that say the Knights are gonna regret trading the flower.

[@alec1430]

Brand new hockey fan from 2019. I needed a new sport to watch, and never have watched a single hockey game. I picked VGK, as I loved knights and medieval stuff in general, but also because they had no history. Past 2 years were amazingly fun for me! But after this trade? We can't figure it out, and I'm totally upset on astronomical levels that we traded fleury for nothing! I'll remain loyal to his team of course! I won't be surprised if we miss the playoffs this year. This management needs to be gone, and get some people that respect the best players, and whom Dont trade hot players, on hot teams....it's really really unbelievable in all of the years I watched sports...miss you Fleury!

[@dominickefrim3088]

@@alec1430 welcome to the fandom. I grew up a Kings fan. There's so many years where i was absolutely po'd at the mismanagement or watched my favorite player traded away. It works in cycles. If you remain loyal you're gonna hit some lean times along with the joys. Before you know it, 10, 20, and even 30 years will pass and you'll see things reset every 5 years or so. I waited 33 years to see the Kings win their first Cup.

[@owentalkslotsofhockey2849]

Nice vid rob I’m back my old channel was deleted by KZbin so I got this one and subed

[@JacksonPinchot]

Blackhawks trading Brandon Saad away to Columbus. Getting him back for Panarin, then trading Saad again.

[@MrGrombie]

I love how Florida has not 1, but 2 NHL teams..... And we don't even have snow.... XD Can anyone tell me how their attendance is? I legit don't know anyone here that even follows hockey....

[@DWalters86]

Forgot to mention how good kris Draper was on face offs even if they wouldn’t be allowed so much now.

[@alecnewman6052]

my team has made a confusing lack of trade. *cough* Eichel

[@hockeykidwjm6865]

As a breakers/tbirds fan I remember that was actually their first team bus coz they couldn't afford one lel

[@Chromedragon79]

Pocklington wasn't a billionaire, he could barely be considered a millionaire on paper. That shyster was so leveraged out his ass he couldn't get a bank loan for a Chevy Cavalier.

[@CoolGorillaGoAnimate7000]

I think we can only count on one hand the amount of billionaires in the 80s