The 6v6 Overwatch Patch Notes Are Finally Here

[@jarvismusgrave3987]

This feels like when the teacher is mad at the class but theirs 30 minutes left of the class so hes just angry teaching

[@ReclusiveNatured23]

😂

[@Burritoslay3r]

lmaooooooooooo

[@TSH1605]

I mean the game is so ass now

[@Energestical]

@@TSH1605 it always has been since ow2 launch

[@MichaelJones-rz5sw]

​@@TSH1605 keep telling yourself that 😂

[@rage_tv4493]

reducing fire strike to 1 without a damage buff is kinda dumb

[@luminen4051]

No it brings him back to where he was before we went to 5v5… What is dumb is supports not getting massive nerfs since they’ve all been giga buffed so many times since 5v5 release

[@Bumbleking-zk8cv]

His damage got nerf when he got the 2 firestrikes , they should had reverted the change.​@luminen4051

[@SpectreAdept]

I would have understood if they didn't keep the season 9 health increases but they for some reason they did

[@8UMadBro8]

​@luminen4051 he's in a sense weaker since the global health changes. But also I think Blizz completely missed the mark with tanks. It does feel more like OW1 but tanks still need to feel fun & engaging to players. If all the tanks are dumbed down & just require less button inputs or longer cooldowns, tank is still going to be the least played role & that means the same problems OW1 had. Tanking needs to still feel complex & enjoyable, but should be tuned back in other ways. I'd rather Rein get a dmg & shield nerf but keep the 2nd firestrike

[@boodysnagglers]

​@luminen4051 even still, I think 2 firestrikes is just such a good QoL change that it's needed. No idea why they reduced his steering either. He's going to feel so bad when engaging and exists mostly as a shield sponge now. Extremely dull

[@TLTheLegend]

I think Tank passive is still here just so people don't shoot the tanks the entire time and get full ult charge lol

[@Dario11457]

Imo a bad tank should be punished if they’re allowing themselves to be farmed like that

[@yuuwrld6896]

@@Dario11457tank already feels awful that would make it feel even worse

[@roccomstar1550]

It also helps with cluttering and too many ult at once. The devs even said how the duration of placeables have had their times reduced so also making the biggest targets in the game not give so much alt charges helps with that. Its an ok change.

[@blahtheotter1512]

​@@Dario11457 Basically what hog was for all of OW1. Bad hogs were just ult farms

[@Dario11457]

@ yes exactly.

[@giorno_digorno3049]

Anyways who's excited for Jeff splatoon

[@AtomicPuma9]

🙋‍♂️

[@m_rpuggles]

MEEE

[@legojay14]

If this came out 6 months ago. Overwatch might've had a chance to compete. But blizzard decided they weren't in danger so it's to late to tweak it. Now rivals has been embracing the immediately emerging memes. Which Overwatch would often refuse to do

[@FunyValentyne]

Oh cool 6v6 notes. Anyways does anyone have tips on how to improve as Psylock?

[@marw_13]

@@FunyValentyneher shurikens cancel the firing animation which makes her able to kill a 250hp hero in less than a second (the combo goes: primary (both shots) instantly into shurikens and instantly into dash)

[@TheDangerNoodle]

needs to be a ranked version so people can experience what it'll be like with the lobby taking it seriously and not just goofing and enjoying the vibes tbh

[@onurbuken3641]

Nah bro, people would be like "chill its an experimental ranked game" thats what people say in open q ranked. OW player base is cooked

[@gen1136]

God you sound insufferable

[@blahtheotter1512]

I just want ranked for offense/defense

[@luminen4051]

@@onurbuken3641Its not about what people would say after you yell at them, Its that more players would try harder on average than they would in a non ranked version and the way people are playing would be closer to the actual game so balancing can be more accurate

[@keiranbligh8284]

This is it for me I hate quick play I get enjoyment from being competitive and doing well that’s what is fun to me and I’ve always hated I never played overwatch 1 and was looking forward to getting to experience it don’t get me wrong I’d rather have it without ranked than not at all just know having a ranked mode would be what really sells it for me

[@pastromer8552]

i feel like they're still tryna force the season 9 changes into this when they should just revert everything they did in that season for this test

[@Alex_Aramayo]

Iv been saying this since season 11

[@brendanpotter9803]

yeah they have tuned the game to have the exact same problem season 9 patch was supposed to fix, either they explode instantly or never die

[@Hietakissa]

I love how scuffed the patch notes are sometimes. Incorrect information, wrong font, the list character replaced with an 'o' in exactly 1 place etc. etc.

[@ryuko6997]

Pretty sure they just wanna make this patch as awful as possible so they can say "See we knew what we were doing when we went 5v5"

[@vellathewench]

I called that when they announced. Glad to not be wrong.

[@websdontmatter5631]

But it wasn’t that bad

[@N0pr0fit]

@@vellathewench but you are? this patch is great? im loving 6 v 6

[@stokedgrizzly4975]

Nope just gonna be people like you and others who will NEVER be happy no matter what they do

[@Mrignorantperson]

nah. they always fail patches

[@tank_dempsey]

This is so funny to me. They threw out all of the balance changes they’ve done since overwatch 2 came out for this experimental mode. They have come so full circle they just should drop the 2

[@Josh-vh9fw]

100% fuck overwatch. Still the most painful thing in gaming that that took access to overwatch one just to release the same game and make u buy everyhing all over again

[@Critheism]

"Yeah here you go guys, the 6v6 experiment you wanted!" >completely nuke the balance of the experiment >wait until new season comes out after nobody cares and is on rivals cus muh engagement Classic ow team

[@Abby_Affchen]

It's actually fairly fun

[@Taxuma_]

genuinely the 6v6 experiment is super fun and has made me realise that 6v6 is most likely the way to go, despite some bad balance decisions that would need some work on i would say it's already a success, I've been just playing it non stop since it came out

[@Cheebzsta]

@@Abby_Affchen I had an absolute blast! After the first 3 matches when I stopped queueing all (aka tank) and stuck to DPS/Support. Which is sad cuz I'm an old school switch tank player and duo playing tanks in open queue all the time. But hey that game mode's still there, even if I want the Ball changes badly in open queue XD

[@nothappierthanme6146]

He seems so depressed when he's on ow compared to rivals

[@legojay14]

Well he doesn't have a choice. He's the overwatch guy. And he's forced by experience to know how this game works. So he needs to weigh in and be involved until its as official as possible that it's dead. Then he'll be allowed to let it go

[@korrupt361]

We all work a job we don’t like

[@pepelapepe]

@@legojay14 yeah he is doing his job like he said we dont know the future so givin up on ow after 3 weeks is from a business standpoint judst stupid

[@ronramen5827]

That happens when you play the same game 8+ hours a day for 8 years straight.

[@weirdeurasianboy8091]

He'll be depressed when he's on Rivals come 2032

[@samburgess7924]

It's odd that there isn't a graphic showing the current state of health bar with numbers. There is real estate for it in the banner.

[@JoshuaRAWRR]

Hazards wall is stronger because it's smaller, and because it's purple, spikey, and does damage, more likely to get shot at. Mei's wall, each pillar has 300 health, not the entire wall.

[@yargolocus4853]

yeah if you happen to hit in between two pillars, it has 20% more hp than hazard. and doesn't fully go if you break it

[@ChimpRevolution]

Just tried it most tanks do feel better except doomfist. I do think they overnerfed him for this mode. His HP is much lower than pretty much every tank and hes one of the few without armor. I understand this is because of his higher mobility however with slam on a nearly 8 sec cooldown it feels horrible. Id like to see them try at least 7 secs on slam and 475 health instead of 425. At 435 he currently feels like he gets melted way to quick. Especially when i can just pick hazard instead have my block on a cooldown and a mei wall for defense more base health with armor shorter cooldown on his slam. He has less mobility but way more sustain and consistency

[@Rohndogg1]

Doom is amazing when paired with a good second tank. Saw a doom/zar combo that was absolutely dominating.

[@Naasta27]

I mean Junker Queen is in the same spot as doomfist but they play like off tanks, I agree that doom get a bit overnerfed but paired with a winston or sigma or like a good main tank he can pop off. Same situation with JQ her hp got nerfed and her self heal bleed is useless now. Its still new give it a week or so and see how it is, but I do agree that Doom got nerfed a bit much and same thing with JQ

[@greatmatt301]

Yeah played against one. one of your tanks just comes back and helps and he disappears XD

[@ChimpRevolution]

@Rohndogg1 not saying it's not possible to pop off or hes unplayable I'm saying relative to the other tanks he feels a lot weaker. Also I'd bet money that doom zarya combo would of done better if the doom just played hazard instead

[@ChimpRevolution]

@@Naasta27 Admittedly JQ is actually one of the ones I didn't try out

[@Hatemx1]

*The Marvel Rivals effect.*

[@Hietakissa]

except the 6v6 situation has been going on for way longer

[@P.H691]

They pressed the big red button, they are panicking

[@sovereignblastoise6767]

@@P.H691this was planned mad long ago

[@_ZapRowsdower]

They've been planning this way before we new they were going to do anything about it. I am so sick of people Parroting.

[@kassaken6521]

​@Hietakissa Yeah, since OW2 was released 2 years ago. But now they are finally pushing it out, the same year Marvel Rivals announced and released.

[@karmichel]

Marvel Rivals is a cruise ship that was recently launched. Everything is brand new, and it is still near the port with calm waters. We still don't know how it will behave when it goes to open sea, when it faces storms, or even when the swimming pool begins to leak, when even don't know how the captain will conduct the ship in the long run... Overwatch we know how battered and worn off the ship is, as well as how bad the captains were to the ship... The question is: when the Marvel rivals ship begins to wear off, how the ship and the captain will behave? Flats knows this, and makes sense not to jump off the ship he knows it so well, although his actions in this video clearly state that he wants to jump ship, even though he doesn't want to admit it...

[@chameleoncham3911]

🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@oculasrift2253]

Why are they reverting all the tank reworks? Is that not counterintuitive to testing overwatch 2 characters in a 6v6 format? I'm genuinely confused 🤣

[@alejandrodejesus7476]

cause tank's were buffed since their was one of them per team, but now the tank power budget has to be spread over 2 tanks instead of 1.

[@pepelapepe]

@@alejandrodejesus7476 yeah but they needed to do the current meta in a 6v6 and then adjust so we can experience the data they prob have to do these changes without it just looks like a wierd patch

[@EnderBroadcast]

Every tank got giga-buffed for 5v5, meaning they have to revert some changes to make the game play better on 6v6. One raid boss is bad enough, nobody wants two.

[@Muciatneh]

Power creep

[@Mikuroko69]

​@@EnderBroadcast That's fair and I agree. I'm just confused as to why supports like Kiri and LW have more uptime in healing when supports have also been giga buffed in OW2. They were the literal reason of why the S9 changes happened.

[@malekgroot]

Played a few games now and it was amazing can't believe we don't just lose the whole team fight cuz I died there is a chance for the second tank to be able to continue the fight it felt so refreshing and I really enjoyed it

[@23UAS]

21:12 no way that post wasn't written by a ChatGPT. I can't imagine someone wasting half a day at work writing rhymed patch notes... or no, actually, I can...

[@fennrixftr8698]

It 100% was. The way it completely lacks any rhythm or structure tells you about it.

[@essejay-d1l]

It is chatgpt, I went there and typed “Write me a paragraph about how winter wonderland has returned to overwatch 2” and it has the exact same sentence structure and tone

[@lunatic2178]

WHY DIDNT THEY REVERT GENJIS NERFS????WHAT!????

[@vette200mph2]

Thats what im saying

[@malikdagamer8787]

I was genuinely surprised to see him not get ANY changes

[@NatsukeShift]

Kind of sucks when it feels like Flats is forced to look at Overwatch stuff at gunpoint.

[@danielalexander6017]

That was a dick move snapping at the comment about you sounding bored. You did, and it genuinely made this video a hard watch. I felt like i was watching a caged animal who just wanted to be free.

[@AkiraVRC]

Then why are you here?

[@chameleoncham3911]

​@@AkiraVRCProbably because he liked his content, he is allowed to give valid criticism and share his opinion on something you know.

[@drinks1550]

@@AkiraVRCshutting down critique by saying “lol then just leave” instead of considering the perspective of the people who care enough to comment is exactly why people are beginning to abandon blizz games for alternatives. Eventually, they’ll agree with you and just leave.

[@FatMCSteve]

They gotta remove the role passives for it. Support sustain was already annoying enough in OW1 even without the regen passive

[@jackcern6776]

they do, but they should also nerf many support abilities

[@FatMCSteve]

Role passives are just a lazy way to try and balance heroes that often create more problems than they fix cause they disproportionately affect certain heroes more

[@fallasleep3513]

If they remove support buffs then remove ALL the tanks buffs. Play the game equally. Idk why yall want easy mode for tanks and supports to be playing dead by daylight.

[@FatMCSteve]

@@fallasleep3513 Notice how you completely ignored everything I said. I quite literally said we shouldn't have role passives in general. We shouldn't have role passives for tank, dps, or support Maybe think for two fucking seconds before typing shit

[@jackcern6776]

@@fallasleep3513 the healing passive was made to counter healing creep, if they want to scrap it then they have to reduce healing numbers

[@jamesontheSecond]

100% this is gonna flop and theyre gonna say some bs like "well the statistics show that 5v5 was more successful than our 6v6 play test so we are staying 5v5"

[@willkershisnik5893]

If it flops that shows people have no interest and if that’s the case they don’t need to implement it fully

[@nycempirestate4689]

It was gonna flop either way. You can’t give every single person what they would’ve wanted out of this 6v6 change. I literally stopped playing it because the 6v6 mode didn’t re-queue me.

[@tgs5725]

It will flop because everyones on Marvel Rivals already.

[@nycempirestate4689]

@@tgs5725 Please, Marvel Rivals has the new car smell right now for sure. Just wait until the best players find the most oppressive meta, and you’ll see how fast role queue gets implemented. It’s only a matter of time before Marvel Rivals becomes what OW is now. Unless the devs keep the game super casual. Which is what they should do.

[@Alderyx]

The fact that they reverted Zarya to two separate bubbles is actually the biggest L

[@alfredocaceres4680]

Hog Breather is also a huge L

[@Alderyx]

@alfredocaceres4680 true

[@alfredocaceres4680]

@@Alderyx Don't forget about Rein charge steer xd

[@demifolk8940]

why would they keep it LOL

[@trollofduty007]

I mean, did you expect the tanks to keep all the compensatory buffs they got so they could thrive in 5v5?

[@cobemorris5990]

we deserved a poll for 6v6 a long time ago, simply cap 1 shield tank per team

[@Xokzu]

Literally this.

[@mc9ow688]

ngl they should just have reversed the s9 hp changes and removed passives and it's mostly good to go.

[@djlethug4333]

I'm glad they brought it back I hope it's here to stay it's way cooler that 5v5

[@noorjahan3751]

I am masters on all roles for context. idk about yall but I feel broken on tank walking at the enemy back line, or helpless on dps. Rivals kinda balanced the power dynamic between tanks and dps, where both felt like they could outplay the other. I've been to spoiled by Rivals to enjoy OW during a 6v6 test. Wow.

[@Rohndogg1]

I felt pretty good on DPS. Genji is good, junk is good, ashe is pretty good, pharah isn't bad. Venture is pretty dang good. Supports feel kinda weak in some areas and strong in others. Tanks are the same, some tanks are better and some are worse.

[@DoThaScarn]

Rivals single handily has the most boring tank characters of any game

[@PickIeJuice]

@@DoThaScarnopinion invalid

[@silversniper471]

masters on tank for me its opposite i refuse to play tank in ow because of the counter swapping and being ccd every 4 seconds to the point where u only play for half the game then on dps it feels like i get to just play little to no cc coming at me little counter swapping unless i do insanely good but in rivals they really feel balanced i like to play venom, thor, bucky, magik and i was surprised tank felt as good as it did with all the cc in the game like freeze hela stun sleep ect but i think it goes down to having more than 1 tank to actually split the cc with

[@zuckergolf4442]

Dps are definitely more limited in terms of map control, but can in exchange put more pressure onto tanks. Maybe it’s just a skill difference, but I’ve had a lot of fun for the few games I’ve played.

[@rivini4585]

Many of the changes made for the 6v6 testing make no sense. Some of the number changes are fine, but why make changes like making Rein's charge harder to steer? What's the point? Why make the gameplay close to the way it was in OW1? We literally just had the Classic mode to play and mess around in. In regards to the winter event, the free skins aren't even good, which is no surprise given their track record (also see: Mei's Katara skin), but the fact most of them are also old or recolors certainly doesn't help. I highly doubt anyone will use the Cassidy and Widowmaker skins two weeks after the holidays end, unless those players happen to have literally no other skins for them. Flats is right that Marvel Rivals is OW2's biggest competition right now and they hit the ground running. Blizzard really should have been more conscious about its hype and put in more effort to maintain their player base. Overall, this event is a weak showing and the 6v6 testing sounds like it's going to be a disaster from the get-go, and you can even see it from Flats' lack of enthusiasm. If they can't get a diehard Overwatch player *_genuinely_* excited anymore, something is definitely wrong.

[@Kyynele]

All the 5v5 tanks are overtuned, to ensure that they get some value even if they miss some of their shots. It'd feel pretty bad for the team if their only tank only had 1 cooldown, the player whiffed it, and the team lost the fight because of that. With 2 tanks, there is another tank covering for their mistakes. Rein's charge change isn't a quality of life thing, charge is Rein's highest cooldown ability that is a guaranteed kill for squishies if it hits. In 2-2-2, Rein will never be a solo tank, so it's alright to return the ability to a more skill shot status, the team should survive even if one of their tanks occasionally fails to pin enemies. Charge was a hard-to-hit ability in OW1 for a reason, not because they didn't know how to make the steering easier. Being able to cancel your charge, now that IS a quality of life feature, and they didn't remove that, even though OW1 didn't have it.

[@helios1628]

15:36 quick math : Ana does 75 healing per shot : 12,5% of dps passive on tanks makes it 61,25 per shot 15% of dps passive on tanks makes it 59,5 per shot That makes a difference of 1,75 healing per shot. I’m pretty sure that wont make a big difference… You should think before complaining.

[@pewnit]

I swear to god, samito has been yelling at his camera for MONTHS about how the health needs to go back to 200 and ESPECIALLY the role passives GOT. TO. GO. They did neither. They're actually so cooked. I'm literally gonna buy a PC ASAP because my trash laptop cannot run Marvel Rivals for shit. Why, Aaron Keller, why???

[@frost_6380]

2:00 this guy actually can’t help himself. literally the first meaningful change 🤣🤣

[@helios1628]

Bro i swear he keeps complaining about ever changes 😂

[@sebiticu4433]

Thats THEIR 6v6 not OUR 6v6

[@stokedgrizzly4975]

BAHAHAHAHA YOU DO SEE HOW IRONIC THIS IS RIGHT? YALL BEGGED FOR THIS AND THEY FINALLY DO IT AND ITS IMMEDIATELY NOT GOOD ENOUGH. “THEIR 6v6 NOT OUR 6v6” BRUH NO MATTER WHAT YOU AND OTHERS WILL NEVER BE HAPPY AND ITS ABSOLUTELY BS

[@willkershisnik5893]

@@stokedgrizzly4975yep this proves what everyone has been saying. The 6v6 crowd is just a bunch of babies, nothing is ever good enough and so blizzard should stop trying to cater to them

[@stokedgrizzly4975]

@@willkershisnik5893 yes bro I completely agree. Still plenty of people like us who LOVE the direction this game has been going since OW1. It’s so much better than it used to be and we have a dev team who actually listens and cares. These babies will whine forever. I hope they just go to Marvel Rivals and stop the crying

[@OrchardFilm]

Flats speedrunning the loss of all his OW sponsorship with this one 😂

[@codybeck371]

I was gonna type some long winded rant but Flats already said it best... wtf man. Also your a better man than I Flats, these patch notes aren't pulling me away from Rivals 😅

[@LilRussDawg]

and they didn’t even give Reaper or Genji the time of day I’m just gonna keep playing rivals. Couldn’t even get a holiday skin for shits sake

[@SpectreAdept]

I'm baffled at how hard they gutted Queen when no one complained about her and pretty much everyone agreed she was an honest and fun hero. How do you reduce her self-heal multiplier to season 1 levels while leaving the DPS passive in? She has no barrier, no bubble, no armor, no fortify, no mobility, no stun, no block and no defense matrix.

[@vellathewench]

Yeah, out of all the changes that one baffled me.

[@alfredocaceres4680]

They basically made her a dps with no mobility

[@Maskuerade-Unseen]

Because the balance team is incompetent. We have known this for years (The new balance team for overwatch).

[@thedarknessmagician5234]

They did it, those mad lads. The overwatch 2 devs managed to kill 6v6 before anyone was even allowed to play it. I no longer have any hope for this game or its developers.

[@malikdagamer8787]

The door to Rivals is open

[@joshyaash]

?

[@stokedgrizzly4975]

Brother it literally just came out after you and others begged for it for YEARS and it’s automatically dead because a top 500 streamer you watch says he doesn’t like it? It’s just a bunch of bs I’m so sick of it

[@tariqdotpng546]

me when i havent even touched the game yet but im still gonna bitch

[@thedarknessmagician5234]

It's dead because they didn't learn anything from the past. Nerfing every tank while buffing the dps and supports will lead to tanks feeling terrible to play. If tanks feel terrible to play, no one will que for them. Its exactly the reason que times got so bad in overwatch 1 and they decided to move to 5v5. I don't care about what Flats has to say, he's notorious in my eyes for bad takes. I've been playing overwatch since day one, and I see the pattern repeating itself. If you don't believe me, wait about a week into the test and try queuing dps. My record for longest que time in overwatch 1 was over 20 minutes for a single game. I'm thinking it might be even longer this time. If nothing about these patch notes changes, then 6v6 will die via que times just like it did back in overwatch 1. They didn't learn a thing from the past, and as the old saying goes they are now doomed to repeat it. Hope that clears up the misunderstanding.

[@ANDROID_25Altima]

gentlemen, this is why Marvel Rivals exists.

[@dyingstar24]

Flats and everyone in the comments: "this patch is bad and blizzard should feel bad. Anyway play marvel rivals!" Me: ow1 is back and venture finally got a new skin, I genuinely do not care, I will play both whenever I want

[@lcdcac]

Devs setting this up to fail.

[@vellathewench]

I called this when I heard they were gonna do this. Sadly I am right.

[@kyleledeadboi6810]

You reaching pretty hard in all the comments for some one who is dead wrong.​@@vellathewench

[@Maskuerade-Unseen]

​@@kyleledeadboi6810If he is dead wrong, where is the right?

[@shadowfox8748]

Flats I can understand why your mentally checked out on overwatch. Played some last night … then played marvel rivals for the first time … overwatch is behind the ball on this but it is important to see how overwatch is trying to experiment

[@yzerainet]

Overwatch is not behind any ball. The game is objectively better than rivals. If you like CoD then rivals is for you. If you like actual competitive games where skill expression is as important as macro expression then overwatch is for you. Rivals is just glorified tdm with the worst tank roster in history. The modes literally don't even force people onto objective since payload moves forward AUTOMATICALLY and the king of the hill mode caps so insanely fast its just whoever ults wins. And that's it.

[@ronramen5827]

@@yzerainetCope. But tank design in Rivals is pretty ass

[@adeeshadeegala5900]

​@@ronramen5827the objective sounds could be better, or the visuals. Sometimes I just lose track of the progress, and that hardly happens in overwatch. Maybe its a skill issue.

[@LilApricot1]

5:25 Flats you clapped your hands too many times & you went off on the poor person who commented on the Fact that you seemed uninterested.

[@stevenstringfellow5371]

yea this vid and the last one with the woman talking about her hate for overwatch i might stop watching him.

[@Impromptwo]

Right? He's all, "give me a fucking break," while I'm pretty sure the person was just worried about him.

[@LilApricot1]

@@Impromptwo yea I felt bad for the person being spoken to like that

[@8Dk0ng8]

It’s so funny how they increased overall damage of things cause they saw rivals is more aggressive , but they forgot one thing they have role queue and no one wants to play tank long queue times ahead

[@lyt664]

*_You shouldn't be so defensive when someone calls you out for liking Rivals over Overwatch 2. Literally, I do not blame you whatsoever. As a matter of fact, despite your history with Overwatch, I think you moving on to Rivals would be super good for your health and your reputation as a streamer._*

[@iRondanye]

The problem is, as flat said, is not just 1 person. So who knows how many people have said it to him, his annoyed by it and it was time to put the foot down and be serious about it. And im glad he did. His doing what he can n continue to support a lil of OW. The rest, i can agreed. He seems like his anoying himself so much. Specially with ironfist.

[@yzerainet]

Yea, until the game dies then he is stuck playing that uncompetitive un skillful, unbalanced team death match simulator. That game will die fast if the dev team doesn't drop a good balance patch soon. People say they like "broken" but that has never been the case in any game in history ever. Casual playerbase will drop once ever game becomes the same characters. Ranked lobbies already are borderline stale and boring with the same characters appearing over and over above gold. Even the tournaments are the same 6 characters every game. Go look at the gm teams. Strange, hulk, mantis, luna/racoon. Hela and bucky.

[@iRondanye]

@@yzerainet what rival been broken? Everyone is broken. Doesnt need a patch with nerf yet. Learn how to play the game and how to deal with them.. Everyone has a weakness and strenght.

[@alfredocaceres4680]

@@yzerainet Lol you are hating on every comment. Go relax buddy

[@lyt664]

@@yzerainet *_... this sounds more like projecting-_*

[@im_zadic7372]

Not even tryna be that guy but like marvel rivals is genuinely just a genuine upgrade from its game it’s their own game it’s not a clone it’s just genuine fun and you can test different metas

[@im_zadic7372]

And their already lying saying experience overwatchs old roots but you gave all tanks the passive like bro you guys are once again lying just go play marvel rivals bro this dev team and balance team it’s just actually crazy they can’t even do that right it’s insane

[@yzerainet]

​@@im_zadic7372you clearly don't play either game. They never once said this will be old 6v6. That is not the point of this test. You can play 6v6 classic if you want old 6v6. Flats is misinformed here AGAIN. the guy has reading issues. Rivals is an unbalanced mess of a game with boring ass maps and absolutely boring tank characters. That game is decent but no balance will ruin it instantly. The overwatch team is trying to balance for a mode they have never even tried in this game. They don't have extreme foresight. Noone does. Just look at rivals, they had the recipe and still failed to follow it. Horrendous map design, gamemodes that are ass that don't ever require objective play beyond just standing on the point one time then never turning back and the entire tank roster being boring as hell. Don't talk bud. You don't understand anything

[@im_zadic7372]

@@yzerainet I played both a lot stop d riding overwatch bro they lied to you 😭

[@knotknight514]

​@@yzerainetlol

[@yzerainet]

@@im_zadic7372 once again, they said this when they announced it months ago, this is not meant to be original overwatch. They never ever ever claimed that. Just that it's a 6v6 test. Come back in 2 months when rivals is fighting to keep 50k players because they don't balance their game.

[@JohnnyJoez]

i thought the point of the experiment was to see how the game would look with the current characters in a 6v6 scenario

[@Abby_Affchen]

They never said that. They literally said they are making changes from the start. Mainly cause tanks were gigabuffed

[@JohnnyJoez]

@Abby_Affchen I guess, but many of those felt either redundant or just plain bad, it's just gonna make people want 6v6 less

[@Abby_Affchen]

@@JohnnyJoez they had to make the changes though. OW1 tank synergy was the main thing. I'm a tank main and I'm hyped for it. Cause 6v6 mainly just effects tank players. Also wdym? The main thing for 6v6 was the tank synergy

[@lesliejacoby9137]

Hotfixes will be big for this test and I want them to be drastic.

[@w_out7631]

They just completely gutted Doomfist lmaooo they completely broke his cooldown rotation

[@demogorgonli]

Honestly as someone who has not played ow 1 this mode is super fun to me. Playing tank duo is really fun, I was worried that support would be a pain but its okay bc youre being protected though you have to heal bot. Even if the patch notes are not great it's still the most fun I've had in this game for a while. Especially my duo who is a tank player is super happy and she says that this mode is actually fun as a tank while ranked tank is stress and pain. I could totally see this mode becoming permament and personally I'm really happy to see what blizzard is doing because to me it looks like theyre clearly trying hard to keep players now that marvel rivals is out. I play a bit of rivals too and Im hoping that like flats said both of these games push each other to be better.

[@ytk3797]

Tbh the tank ult charge passive is the only good one because farming your ult off of tanks all the time is boring and uninteresting, and I remember it used to be the play-style a lot of ow1

[@chameleoncham3911]

Yee the games were literally decided off of ults, or teams just poke until they get ults.

[@davidjustice5123]

So, when we go back to 6v6, we have officially gone back to OW1, essentially making the entire launch and purpose of OW2 irrelevant.

[@HazeNades]

Well now yall have $20 skins

[@xdudex33963]

Putting all the patches aside, the 2 main things overwatch needs, in my opinion, is one, more progression/achievement reward for playing instead of just battle pass progress. Two a 100% speed boost when exiting a spawn point, the duration can vary based on spawn point.

[@xdudex33963]

I know based on the news they are increasing the in game earn rewards for the holidays, but they need a full cadence of this and not just for the holidays.

[@yzerainet]

​@xdudex33963 I think their reward system is fine, you actually get something for playing. Looking at rivals right now where you get literally nothing at all past your 100 BP coins a day. You can play 3 games or 30 games in a day and get the same amount of rewards. Plus the horrendous time gate on the BP in rivals hurts my soul

[@Iron-Blurr]

Tanks need to be FUN for this to succeed. Make tanks less tanky make abilities less impactful but shorter cool downs. Weaker abilities with shorter cooldowns are more fun. Passives are boring. Quality of life improvements should all come back just balance the actual abilities. Things like dva being 40% slower while shooting is BORING just make her damage a little less but dont make the mobility hero boring and slow. Same with Winston right click. Was anyone complaining it was too strong? Why nerf the charge up speed? Was it too op??? Also giving widow MORE HP is insane. Rein cant steer his charge anymore?? No double fire strike? Hog is back with boring damage reduction and boring cool down instead of resource to allow him to not waste the entire thing if he gets anti naded? Zarya is back with single bubble and separate cool downs?They genuinely are sabotaging the whole test. Tanks are gonna think this is boring and not play.

[@Allman203]

Thank you that’s what I was saying why revert Hog back to what made him bad in the previous seasons of ow2

[@starsiren9592]

It's not insane. With 2 tanks in the game Widow is gonna get destroyed anyway. Doesn't matter if they only give her 25 HP. In OW1 she could fight a tank and win because tanks had much lower HP, but with tanks being so absurdly powerful now she's going to get wrecked with 2 of them in the game. 25 hp won't make much difference.

[@vellathewench]

But this is what they want. They want to make it bad so they can say, see we tried 6v6 and you didn't like it, because they don't want to admit they were wrong.

[@Kitten_Catapult]

Hate to be that guy, but Genji was gutted for the old dps passive and him being more oppressive in the 5v5 format. Now I’m the 6v6 test, where that old passive is gone, he isn’t changed at all

[@Shadowstar2001]

I'm no overwatch guru but it sounds like exploderwatch 2. I get the new characters in 6v6 fear but it sounds like they're trying to make 6v6 a purposeful fail

[@flamingwolfx]

It’s not a real test unless there is switching sides. Blizzard is tanking the 6v6 test

[@niallmoseley6760]

RIP genji and reaper They forgot to revert their damage nerfs at the start of ow2 😢😢😢

[@ayyjack]

i think they should've kept a lot of the quality of life changes which they reverted. rein charge, zarya bubble, etc. if it felt oppressive then other numbers can be changed but this mostly reduces the fun the player gets out of their hero

[@magnumdoinks5595]

DOOMFIST SEISMIC SLAM IS A SECOND AND A HALF LONGER THAN IT WAS AFTER THE PREVIOUS PATCH 💀💀💀 I AM NOT COMING BACK.

[@CritterCommander]

Its not marvel rivals, its people hating on this game no matter (good or bad) that is gonna kill it. Its Literally a brand new dev team. They inherited a messed up game. Give them a chance!

[@DanTheMagic8Ball]

Yeah 2 never should have existed

[@melodichalo382]

@@DanTheMagic8Ball and these are the people who are a problem with this... One thing i know is if you cared about ow you wouldn't want it to go down the drain you'd want it to be better.

[@cagecage3444]

Marvel rivals is miles better and it barely has a couple of months of existing

[@You_are_wrong99]

word without any weight. you gonna ignore the entire ow history like that?

[@tonio5084]

Game is ass. Blizzard Activision execs are greedy, the metas are uninspiring, there is heavy meta inflation, the lore is dead, and balance team have no idea how to keep people engaged. Updates are literally shop updates and number changes that suck.

[@bruhbruh7660]

I’m just gonna upgrade my pc and play rivals. Overwatch isn’t fundamentally broken but it has like 5 heros that need ground up reworks or the game just won’t be fun If they remove the passives, lock/nerf sombra, weaver, hog (maybe),brig, kiri it *might* be fun

[@Dfm25387]

Rivals will be why they will say no one wants 6v6 because no one is playing the game right now witch sucks really bad timeing

[@shawns.2830]

Reinhardt main here. I hate this so much.

[@DeathandGrim2]

I went through all five stages of grief between reading the buff to his shield health and EVERY OTHER NERF

[@diegohuerta7201]

Have any of you played it yet?

[@8UMadBro8]

I am very convinced Blizzard just throws random numbers for balance... hopefully they tune the balance rather than thinking 6v6 is a failure when people only play a few games

[@-solo-4225]

Blizzard try not to do stupid changes (impossible).

[@tmw4828]

It feela more like classic 2.0 than ow2 6v6 test

[@firesans1688]

this could be the last resort for overwatch if the reception is negative then theres no coming back especially with Rivals being the dominant game

[@waynetec13]

Eh, the only game that can kill OW is OW. Rivals is probably going to pull a LOT of players, but there's gonna be a core of people who will stay because it's a "more competitive experience" with role queue and whatnot. There will also be players who split their time between the two. I think Rivals is a far superior game, personally, but there's going to be a solid core who stick with OW and never even try Rivals. Kinda like how Apex didn't kill Fortnite, and Valorant didn't kill CS and OW didn't kill Paladins. MR has staying power, but it's not gonna kill anything unless the devs get scared of MR and do dumb shit.

[@rage_tv4493]

ok so doom getting his block and passive nerfed is fine but 8 second slam is criminal.

[@imatiu]

From looking at this, as someone that doesn't play the game, it feels like Blizzard has no idea of what they actually want this game to be. The F2P model seems to indicate that they want the game to be accessible to many people, but at the same time they want to maintain a role based system, which is counterintuitive to trying to make this game accessible since it limits creativity, which is already a problem when the characters don't have any type of customisation as to how they play. I dont know if playing it is a different experience but from the outside looking in, this game doesn't look like it would be even a halfway decent experience to play casually. Only playing with an organized team seems like it would be fun, but if that is the case then why not have a casual mode where roles aren't a factor and the role based mode is a competitive team exclusive?

[@kxnshinX]

18:46 im pretty sure the balance team doesn't understand either

[@gabeo.8106]

They can keep ruining their dumb game at this point. Why is the DPs reduced healing even a thing in this test? They are so biased and unfair. I’ll be on rivals, thanks for 7 years of lost hope ow. You did great at neglecting the loyal players you once had

[@MakBonez]

Gotta love how they call it an experiment when that was what the game actually was for most of its lifespan.

[@matheus_brunelli]

The game itself is different today from how it was back then. So a new balance for 6v6 is, yes, an experiment

[@YayaPecZ]

Bro, its a experiment cuz it aint just 6v6

[@MakBonez]

@@matheus_brunelli overwatch 5v5 was the experiment.

[@mementosxe]

At least they were honest about this being an experiment. Cuz this feels like they are just throwing shit at a wall and hoping something sticks.

[@countdooku9521]

7,5 sec to slam 💀 Doomfist gonna en a punching bag for the ennemy team

[@inkable4319]

Let’s all keep in mind that these are still tests. This isn’t the legit game mode. There will be a patch when 6v6 is officially out. The only thing we should be worried about is if they keep this DPS power creep, but otherwise this isn’t too much of a problem.

[@RhodesianSuperiority]

LMAO they nerfed doom and barely touched sigma these devs absolutely deserve to have every single player leave this dogshit game. Rivals is spitting on OW right now

[@Abby_Affchen]

Sigma doesn't need changes, he didn't even change much when they went to 5v5

[@RhodesianSuperiority]

@@Abby_Affchen .... sigma was half the reason double shield ruined OW 1 you're delusional. The reason he didnt change when we went to 5v5 is because he was always balanced to be in 5v5, he completely broke 6v6

[@BelianTamashi]

I think these numbers are funny, because when the 6v6 custom games blew up for like 2-3 weeks it was INCREDIBLY fun to play those Tanks. Especially duo'd. And idk about trying to play these ones but we'll see? Other note, Illari was STRONG with her current damage in the 6v6 customs and they gave her more damage... so have fun if you play that character

[@xRichieeex]

It’s so hard for me to care when I’m so invested into Rivals . I’m at work right now and all I can think about is playing “one more game” . When I’m thinking about the game at work you know it’s over 😂

[@Ophanim1000]

Rivals is just better in every possible way and its future updates look promising

[@kanga5641]

@@Ophanim1000every single way EXCEPT the fact aiming is from character 😭 rivals have to change that cause rn hitboxes and aiming is way too janky

[@yzerainet]

​@@Ophanim1000it's literally not better in one single way other than it has marvel characters. That's it. It has an insane amount of character overlap, it has literally no balance at all. The tank heroes are so boring its unplayable and the maps and gamemodes are significantly worse than anything overwatch has ever produced. Rivals is good fun but don't come here and say actual nonsense. Its fine to hate overwatch because you suck at actual games that require coordination with people but it's not fine to spout lies

[@alfredocaceres4680]

@@yzerainet You are wrong though

[@Ophanim1000]

@@yzerainet You need help. I recommend you see a therapist and touch some grass. Clearly all those 1000s of hours playing OW hasnt done you any good to your mental health.

[@vinnt_tnniv]

6:10 basically, flats and overwatch are taking a break, while he's going to rival's house for confort. he's still deciding who he's going to commit to. if he does break up with overwatch, he wants to part ways in good terms edit: in this analogy, PvE is like if overwatch said "I'm pregnant! please don't leave me!"

[@GamingWithCubby]

Flats seems to think the mission statement is for the game to be Overwatch 1 again by removing passives but that defeats the entire purpose of OW2 Many creators have said it that OW2 was better balance than OW1, the experiment is to see how 6v6 works in ow2 not to rewind the clock to ow1 so your big monkey brain can thrive off the nostalgia of a WAY WAY WAY worse game

[@evilninjoe]

20:24 Tanks are a bit too squishy just sounds wrong cause... you know... its call TANKS 😂😂😂

[@TurtlePWR108]

So instead of nerfing healing they just keep the dps passive as a bandaid nerf to healing to not scare the support mains. Classic blizzard

[@wuzziecrunch5382]

I wanted to see how new Hog plays in 6v6 though😭 I don’t get the Rein or Zarya changes either- it just makes them feel worse again and makes you play like you did back in ow1 again

[@wuzziecrunch5382]

And the dps passive vs tanks??? This feels so rigged to fail😭

[@wuzziecrunch5382]

Also what made 2 tanks fun in overwatch 1 was comps with high damage and utility (not just barriers); every other hero being at 250hp and the nerfs against tanks make them even harder to kill😭

[@eckleyy]

Flats b sounding a lil zesty 😂😂

[@h2woah127]

It’s makes me nervous how much health the tanks still have in this 6v6

[@Chunchunmaru69468]

anytime remotely fun tanks get a lil too strong blizzard nerfs them immediately but when Orisa/hog/mauga is hard meta and destroys any other tank without effort, they leave them broken for full seasons or partially nerf something while giving a compensation buff that makes them better at being unstoppable

[@MrGuy-gn3wb]

12 seconds ago feels criminal

[@ItchyBurritoMiniAltThingy]

54 second for me trololo

[@EbrahimTries]

What do u mean

[@agentcodybanks1]

Yeah I’m confused. What’s wrong with watching a recently uploaded video

[@iceman10111123123414]

It’s surprising how bad this dev team fucks up truly impressive

[@bazookajoe2307]

I feel like the 3 three festive skins became free last minute because of Rival’s winter event.

[@EtherForce]

0:46 wtf? I coulda swore they said there would be Ranked, how is it supposed to be a fair test of it's popularity if it's not Ranked? -_-

[@MrBastionOverwatch0]

Did bastion not get changed :| or was it not on the patch notes.

[@8UMadBro8]

These tank changes are so bad. They're trying to recreate OW1 problems... unfun tanking -> long queues -> players leave. Sure, nerf some of their shield or damage, but don't limit all their abilities so much; they gotta stay enjoyable to the people who play them (also some need actual reworks.... NOT reverts)

[@jordansharman9863]

so glad these changes are only for the experimental mode, a different video i watched did NOT make that clear my god

[@fadedflop]

This better not have us wait over 2 full seasons (after this one ig) for it to be finally in-game

[@TheRustedPixel]

Orisa is amazing. Star Sheep is her best skin although her new Skin for Avatar is pretty awesome cos she floats now. Oh again, Orisa is amazing. Thanks for your time.

[@DeterminationV5]

Seems completly fine on my eyes, tanks are way stronger than they were before, naturally taking some of their advantages out will rebalance them into the game.

[@scottwillian2120]

They said modern OW with classic format, that's why passives are there.

[@shmuttywhop8555]

selling you sequel game and reverting it back to the original is diabolical