The 87 Tribes of Caesar's Legion

The 87 Tribes of Caesar's Legion | Fallout Lore

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Caesars legion is said to have conquered 86 tribes, 87 if you believe the armor worn by Gaius Magnus at Dry Wells is the result of a new tribe being conquered and the rest of The Legion merely have yet to learn that information, either way most of these tribes have had their history and culture destroyed, leaving only a handful that we know of and can actually talk about.
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@Synonymous101 Жыл бұрын

I feel like the identity of the 87th tribe is up for interpretation. Personally I prefer the idea that a new tribe was encountered by Magnus which he then conquered bumping the number up to 87, as opposed to saying The Legion is a single tribe that conquered another 86, it just feels wrong to single out The Legion when they are the entity formed from the others, not the initial starting point 🤔

@maleexile9053 Жыл бұрын

White legs In a way

@errantvice7335 Жыл бұрын

I think the 87th tribe is this new band of marked men in dry wells, despite being legionaries initially, they are now something new. Ulysses does describe the divide marked men as something ascendant of the NCR & Legion through their shared suffering. Wouldn’t be a stretch to see the dry wells legionaries as this 87th tribe

@paulthep0teat Жыл бұрын

When I first completed Lonsome Road years ago and got this armor I thought it was supposed to be for the NCR after the Legion crushed them at the second battle of Hoover Dam. Caesar talks about not only conquering and assimilating the NCR but also initiating a synthesis between the two nation states. Forming the two into a newer, singular nation and establishing his own "Pax Romana". Caesar is also so full of himself and his Legion he would likely commission something like this to be made before the battle to act as a ceremonial gesture in victory. He's a man of symbolism, whether it be slaughtering a tribe as a display to terrify his foes or minting a new coin with a certain Couriers face on it. Personally, a little fact about the armor on its Fallout wiki page kinda backs this up in my mind. Before they changed the end of the game to be a total cutoff you could continue after the final battle, and if you sided with the Legion the Armor of the 87th Tribe was left in a chest for you to wear. It's the Armor of the NCR Tribe.

@darkmandolorian6807 Жыл бұрын

Can u do a video on the desert rangers please i find them so fascinating

@devonchristensen9835 Жыл бұрын

But that's the whole idea no individuality only the Caesar's tribe or the 87th how would Caesar not know about another tribe conquered

@jonlollypops4279 Жыл бұрын

It's a good thing he went west instead of East. Had he gone east the legion would have eventually been wiped out by the Republic of Dave.

@NV..V Жыл бұрын

....and the Roach King.

@sceligator Жыл бұрын

Why do you think he went west? Ceaser knows he stands no chance.

@IcepersonYT Жыл бұрын

@@sceligator This buys him a few years until the legions of Dave set their sights westward. Not that he'll survive to see than happen, anyway...

@beeperbugs6535 Жыл бұрын

I liked this more than I should have 🤗

@dragonfell5078 Жыл бұрын

Even ignoring the Republic of Dave, the Enclave and the Brotherhood are there. Wish the Enclave won tbh, only without President Eden being a bitch

@drekbleh7081 Жыл бұрын

Question: How does one deal with the multiple identities born after the apocalypse? NCR: "Bribery and promises of freedom through democracy. Force when necessary " House: "Strict and unflinching enforcement of agreements between everyone with me at the top" Ceasar: "Military force with intermarriage between tribes until no one can remember the old identities " F2 Enclave: "Just kill everyone who isn't us"

@wesosaurusflex6276 Жыл бұрын

God bless America and God bless the Enclave

@jillthecivic5650 Жыл бұрын

You can’t have democracy without force, whether it’s to force it upon your government or your people

@glenngriffon8032 Жыл бұрын

The Master: "Make everyone the same so there are no differing identities anymore."

@Your_Wingman Жыл бұрын

For the enclave

@teyrncousland7152 Жыл бұрын

Yes Man: You don't, just leave them alone.

@James-ne3lc Жыл бұрын

I think Raul mentions that New Mexico was just a raider infested hellhole that Caesar had decimated. Which is why we don't really hear of any tribes he conquered from there.

@PiYodTong 4 ай бұрын

That's not too far from the reality, I'll tell you that.

@caesarseizure1625 4 ай бұрын

It wasn’t New Mexico, it was Arizona.

@thatoneguy5381 4 ай бұрын

New Mexico is a raider infested hellhole in real life lol

@battlesheep2552 2 ай бұрын

@@caesarseizure1625I thought Arizona was controlled by the desert rangers, who after getting forced out by the Legion joined the NCR in the Ranger Unification Act

@DracoSafarius 2 ай бұрын

@@battlesheep2552 They were in sections of Nevada and Arizona

@jesterLxxix Жыл бұрын

The Desert Rangers were almost wiped out too, had to join NCR to survive due to losses against the legion. Besides the NCR Ranger lore we know, would be cool to know more about the Desert Rangers before the legion arrived.

@FreakiFreakenton Жыл бұрын

I agree it would be interesting to see what the Desert Rangers were like before joining the NCR I've always wondered how they were.

@DADchs13 Жыл бұрын

I guess I just always assumed in my head canon the desert rangers were a reference to the ones from the wasteland series

@FreakiFreakenton Жыл бұрын

@@DADchs13 Maybe eh.

@jesterLxxix Жыл бұрын

@@DADchs13 yeah, I figured much. Just saying, would be nice to see them in a future fallout game that takes place in the southwest region. Real wild west shit with them in their prime.

@lucifer2b666 Жыл бұрын

@@FreakiFreakenton They're in fallout 2 operating in the NCR but not in a formal agreement with the NCR yet. You need to brush up on your early fallout lore I see.

@CalobAdamsInfamous913 10 ай бұрын

One thing that fascinates me about Fallout 2, Tactics and New Vegas is the tribal culture across post apocalyptic America. An absolutely great concept to have for a series dealing with the future. I hope to see more tribes in the Midwest and Eastern regions

@luftschiff1069 Ай бұрын

Yeah, I feel like East Coast Fallout (especially Fallout 4) is too centralized and there isn’t that many factions than there is on the West.

@CalobAdamsInfamous913 Ай бұрын

@@luftschiff1069 facts. I think that’s where Bethesda has to improve

@GaiusCaligula234 Ай бұрын

They don't care @@CalobAdamsInfamous913

@Luy22 Ай бұрын

Agreed. The west feels far more barbaric, savage and tribal than the east.

@Priceluked Ай бұрын

Too bad Bethesda just throws in endless amounts of disposable “Raiders” into their games.

@RelenaPeacecraft Жыл бұрын

From what I remember, the Twin Mothers weren't conquered or assimilated like most of the other tribes. They were straight up annihilated as if their very existence enraged Caesar.

@colddaze6680 Жыл бұрын

Why?,never heard anything about that part of the lore before just saying.

@Chuked 11 ай бұрын

Where does it say that?

@ZMCFERON 11 ай бұрын

Ulysses mentions they were destroyed

@Skiritai 9 ай бұрын

@@colddaze6680It's speculated they worshipped a digital copy of a pre war brain that basically became a Goddess AI to the tribe.

@sabinasabino141 4 ай бұрын

@@Chukeddon't know, but most likely Van Buren

@blackhatfreak 4 ай бұрын

You're missing the most important tribe named quest.

@richardavelino7383 2 ай бұрын

You win the internet 😂

@elic1356 Жыл бұрын

Caesar's legion had so much lore (and possible lore). I wouldn't be surprised if the Writers, having a more extended deadline, would have wrote little bits of lore for all 86[7] tribes. Granted, it would interfere with the idea of the Legion obliterating smaller Tribe's identities and history.

@Matt-md5yt Жыл бұрын

Mr. Sawyer said something about them before in a Vlog thing

@user-zh4vo1kw1z Жыл бұрын

It could be backstory that is conceptualised, but never made explicit. Like the actor's secret: one character point added by the actor, never made explicit but does add context and flavour to the character and performance. It adds depth to the character by including something that, to paraphrase RLM, you aren't aware you are seeing.l, but sure are seeing.

@danielpedraza6455 Жыл бұрын

Legion had little lore though, at least compared to the NCR. Have in mind all FNV happens in NCR territory and only a fraction in Legion's past Hoover Dam

@kanival42 7 ай бұрын

Sawyer said the legion weren’t as fleshed out as they were supposed to be, I think he mentioned that if he had a chance to work on the game again the first thing he’d do is develop more legion locations and lore. Sucks they weren’t as fleshed out as they were supposed to be

@valentinom.4292 2 ай бұрын

@@danielpedraza6455plus, the NCR already existed

@Synonymous101 Жыл бұрын

Ave, true to Caesar.

@gb_acon Жыл бұрын

long live the east

@gb_acon Жыл бұрын

btw i really enjoy these videos, espcially about the legion, but anything u make is so well done!

@maso5451 Жыл бұрын

When I say ave, you Better say true to caesar

@Grave_of_the_sea Жыл бұрын

Ave Amicus

@slovakia1938 Жыл бұрын

Average Arizonian:

@NemFX Жыл бұрын

I'm more interested in the Hangdogs tribe of Denver, as that was one of the creations of Van Buren.

@csmrookie9600 Жыл бұрын

Right, and that includes the twin mothers as well.

@Thaddeus2007 Жыл бұрын

If you want slightly non-canon lore on them I recommend checking out the hoi4 mod called Old World Blues.

@Virgil-Arcanum Жыл бұрын

@@Thaddeus2007 great mod for people who love reading stuff like the fallout bible and the design docs for Van Buren. Highly recommend, if you already know how to play HOI4

@jonweeks2060 4 ай бұрын

“Or graham, for my American friends” he says as hes talking about an american character who lives in america

@jasonzoller5369 Ай бұрын

Written by Americans

@jimjames4875 Ай бұрын

Rofl an American complaining about someone not doing things exactly like they do.

@jimjames4875 Ай бұрын

@@jasonzoller5369using 'English'

@BadseedGarden Ай бұрын

@@jimjames4875We speak it better than you. Get on a boat and come do something about it.

@jimjames4875 Ай бұрын

@@BadseedGarden I'm not English spaz

@daydreamer8877 Жыл бұрын

When you mentioned the Boomers and white glove Society would it be a fair statement to also include the omerta's since they are working with the legion

@Synonymous101 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

@ShinxSparks Жыл бұрын

Man. Synonymous never fails to explain lore without too much deviation or side talk. Reminds me of the old Shoddycast Lore Vids. Keep it up!

@superheatedsaturnite Жыл бұрын

Thr 87th tribe is probably just a tribe thats been assimilated during the events of NV. The Legion isn't just at the mojave. The reason why Caesar is holding off on the dam is partly because he's awaiting Lanius to arrive from the "wilderness of Utah". The main goal of the Legion is Hoover Dam and Vegas of course, but there's still advancements into other territories happening while the game unfolds. Keep in mind that the Legion controls all of Arizona and New Mexico and have substantial claims in Colorado and Utah. That's a huge area for the Legion to control that probably still has a few tribes leftover.

@LillaVargR Ай бұрын

Im pretty sure the 87th is the legion itself and that as the 86 tribes became one they became they 87th.

@superheatedsaturnite Ай бұрын

@LillaVargR yeah no. The Legion is an army of 86 tribes, each one being a seperate entity before being assimilated into the Legion. The 87th was just the most current tribe taken over.

@LillaVargR Ай бұрын

@@superheatedsaturnite yes they were assimilated and became one tribe under caesar which in turn is the 87th.

@Sgt_ioiwsl Ай бұрын

@@LillaVargRCaesar’s Legion is the 1st tribe to be conquered, and the one he used to conquer the rest, being the Blackfoots

@LillaVargR Ай бұрын

@@Sgt_ioiwsl no caesars legion is the unified tribes. The definition of legion is a vast number of people or thing whoch wouldnt fit for only the blackfoots. And caesar unified the 86 tribes under his command into the legion which then became the 87th. Since there are no mention anywhere in agme that another tribe was conquered and why would the a Centurion be wearing a armor mentioning another tribe when that tribe no longer exist especially in dry wells were the twisted hairs which was one of the earlier tribes was located.

@thesinfultictac5704 2 ай бұрын

The Rez could be the Navajo Reservation which is the largest in the US. It also contains the Hopi Reservation inside of it. Its likely the Diné People ( the Navajo) and the Hopi wouldn't give an inch after the great war and would probably celebrate the destruction of the US.

@theKeshaWarrior Жыл бұрын

I wish there was more info on Arizona and New Canaan. I didn't even know that Salt Lake City still exists, New Canaan was actually Ogden, Utah until looking it up.

@RagnarCayuse 9 ай бұрын

There is a development document from van buren about New Canaan that was leaked I think

@Grave_of_the_sea Жыл бұрын

Finally a video on the 87 Tribes, so good to have the lore detailed here and especially by imo the best Fallout KZbinr Edit:Grammar,lost my heart! :(

@ian7064 Жыл бұрын

*Caeser after learning they've just conquered their 69th tribe* "Nice"

@cann0708 Жыл бұрын

I hope we soon have more info about the different tribes under Caesar

@steveshyde7564 Жыл бұрын

Would be cool if we could get a mod for that. Either playing as a frumentari( there's no auto correct for that word ) or a tribal

@a2pabmb2 Жыл бұрын

@@steveshyde7564 There's not autocorrect because it's a Latin word, but you were close enough. Just missing a second 'i' on the end.

@cann0708 Жыл бұрын

@@steveshyde7564 I just want to see more tribes and think it'd be a good way to see more

@julscatten2640 Жыл бұрын

New Vegas’s lore is so deep and phenomenal. I really wish Obsidian would do a NV2. It would sell like wildfire - it’s a real shame to leave this go.

@angusrogers9366 Жыл бұрын

how would that work tho? youd have to give it a canonical ending which would make 0 sense

@julscatten2640 Жыл бұрын

@@angusrogers9366 Not if it’s set somewhere else at the same time period as the NCR/Legion war. Maybe in Arizona where they were originally thinking of putting it and Van Buren? Or even New California itself. There are plenty of possibilities that if placed at the same time as the New Vegas would make sense and not screw with the canon. That and I have faith in Obsidian. They know what they’re doing.

@angusrogers9366 Жыл бұрын

@@julscatten2640 Yeah i suppose your right though i like how the games are never taking place at the same time so if it was a couple years in the future that would be fine and Arizona would be cool to see

@colddaze6680 Жыл бұрын

@@angusrogers9366 There are more than some canonical endings/evolutions in Fallout already. Main contingent of Enclave being defeated at Raven Rock, Khans being defeated by NCR. Never to be the most powerful tribe they once were again.Jackals and Vipers having pretty much same fate, etc. One way or other , with two such powerful armies/empires of Fallout. One or the other has to win. Or at least beat the other into submission, if not totally annihilate them. For simple fact, a timeline must eventually progress in the Fallout verse, one way or the other. Two sides of more or less the same power and resources cannot stay in a war of attrition forever. So makes absolute sense, one or the other side must win some how. You can't have a static event/timeline in any normal verse.

@angusrogers9366 Жыл бұрын

@@colddaze6680 Boils down to personal opinion then because believe in a static timeline especially with Bethesda at the reigns of the franchise maybe if black isles or even obsidian was making the next game i might actually want the story to advance. But this east coast story their making i could not care less about and any of the factions within.

@duskfallthreesixfive7918 Жыл бұрын

The Twin Mothers were supposed to be featured in the cancelled Black Isle Fallout 3 aka Van Buren. Many things from Van Buren mentioned in New Vegas are not elaborated on this being one of them. The Twin Mothers were descended from the inhabitants of Vault 29, a Vault inhabited just by kids. Nobody over the age of 15 was admitted into the vault. Under the guardianship of Diana, the tribe’s “goddess” the Twin Mothers developed a pacifistic and egalitarian society with one male chief and land female chief. Given the tribe’s culture alongside Ulysses’ wording of their fate, it’s safe to assume the Twin Mothers suffered the same fate as the Ridgers before them.

@WitchHunterSiegfried Ай бұрын

Diana is a woman who put her mind into a computer pre war, first heard of her from that art of her and Legatus Lanius from OWB.

@Dave-bd2eo Ай бұрын

⁠@@WitchHunterSiegfriedIn my Headcanon. Diana survived and Lanius was convinced to go East by the courier (to smash that robot). I know it’s cope.

@Scorch052 Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see a video on Talon Company. Always thought they were a cool faction, if not a bit underdeveloped.

@viorp5267 Ай бұрын

Ceasar's Legion is such an intetresting faction because all other faction in Fallout try to build themselves out fo Ashes of whatever remained of the USA. They are the last few civilised people trying to rebuild what was lost. Ceasar's Legion is the only faction which is actually starting from scratch. Which actually arose of the tribal barbarian of the wasteland.

@andreas8488 Жыл бұрын

So hypothetically if the Legion wins they could maybe conquer the Khans, Fiends, Powder Gangers, Vipers and Jackals thus 92 tribes at the end of the game.

@Alex_FRD Жыл бұрын

97 if you add the Kings, the Boomers, and the Three Families.

@ceasarsalazar5940 Жыл бұрын

@@Alex_FRD Kings and boomers would never. The families, maybe. Probably not though.

@oake6180 Жыл бұрын

@@ceasarsalazar5940 they would be conquered, so I don't see what your trying to say

@ceasarsalazar5940 Жыл бұрын

@@oake6180 They would not willingly assimilate. I'm saying they'd be slaughtered.

@berzerkbankie1342 Жыл бұрын

@@ceasarsalazar5940 Pacer doesn't seem that loyal.

@sethwinters3556 Жыл бұрын

I suggested this about a year ago and got a heart. Been waiting ever since lol great content, as always 👍

@Synonymous101 Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry it's taken so long!

@sethwinters3556 Жыл бұрын

@@Synonymous101 don't be sorry man! You make the best fallout content out here. I appreciate the hell outta you dude. Can't rush perfection as they say 🤌 haha

@exiled5713 Жыл бұрын

Hey you really got me back into fallout I’ve been a fan for a while but now I’ve reached a new level of fandom because I’ve been watching you. I replayed NV then 3 then I bought 4 with all the dlcs and have been playing it again thanks for the content!

@butcherpete2286 Жыл бұрын

This was a surprisingly in depth video for a bit of lore that's mostly just handwaved off to give the legion a touch of background

@supposedhumanmars Жыл бұрын

I'm new to this channel and I'm really enjoying it. Thanks, Synonymous!

@zulfazrul9351 Жыл бұрын

learning fallout lore > actual real world knowledge

@The_Meat_Man69 Жыл бұрын

You make my day whenever you upload man! Keep up the great content my dude

@robbymidgettofficial Жыл бұрын

I don't think the Legion could maintain an invasion of California. The Mojave is one thing, but the NCR heartland would be significantly harder to take. It's probable that if the Legion conquered the Mojave then they would make pushes into NCR territory, but we're talking about an army that has vertibirds. Caesar doesn't have anything remotely comparable.

@Synonymous101 Жыл бұрын

The Enclave had vertibirds, power armor and such things and they lost to a tribal

@robbymidgettofficial Жыл бұрын

@@Synonymous101 Unless the Legion is made up of Chosen Ones, I think they're likely to still be stalled once they take the Mojave. At their height, I'm fairly confident the Enclave would have decimated (pun intended) the Legion.

@Synonymous101 Жыл бұрын

@@robbymidgettofficial If The Legion won the 2nd battle of Hoover Dam would mean The Courier sided with them? Maybe not as strong as The Chosen One, but still up there and I think they alone could turn the tides

@robbymidgettofficial Жыл бұрын

@@Synonymous101 You're probably right about that much, yeah.

@Damion176 Жыл бұрын

According to chief hanlon, the water sources are drying up in california which also means less food. That combined with Ulysses's assessment for taking out the interstate 15 to "bleed" out the bear by removing their ability to trade means that they wouldn't have to do much other than wait out for the ncr to slowly crumble under the folly of their mass expansionism to take over california.

@Xavier_Destalis Жыл бұрын

Sorry I missed the release, my man. You keep being a legend, Synonymous.

@dusk9427 Жыл бұрын

Oh hell yeah another video from you your awesome definitely my favorite fallout KZbin channel

@tuckerlucker Жыл бұрын

There ain't nothing like a weekend with a Synonymous upload

@Andriej69 Жыл бұрын

Such a great topic, it never even crossed my mind!

@TheDuckofLaw Жыл бұрын

thanks for these cool fallout vids. It's a good time to see some of the more hidden stuff.

@incorporealfear Жыл бұрын

Hell yea love seeing your uploads

@wartoendwars987 Жыл бұрын

Another great, informative video about fallout lore 👌👍

@blacknwhitebirb Жыл бұрын

Thx for the amazing video as someone who doesn't really like the legion I found this very informative and interesting

@Hyperion-5744 Жыл бұрын

Good work on the video synonymous.

@UpholdBlindfold Жыл бұрын

Been watching your vids for a few weeks now man, and I feel so bad I’ve only just hit subscribe! Love the vids man

@Synonymous101 Жыл бұрын

Better late than never! 😁👍

@dudepants3 Жыл бұрын

Always a good day when you post friend

@Freebo63 Жыл бұрын

Finally someone made something about the 87ths

@mcpossum Жыл бұрын

Love how many views you are getting. This channel has grown so much since I first found you. I'm so happy for your success! Here is to more subs and more views 🥂

@Synonymous101 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Val! 😁 🍻

@austinoakes3898 Жыл бұрын

Love that you keep more content coming out! Thanks so much!

@imnotayoutuber8494 Жыл бұрын

I just got into fallout via 4 and I found your channel it's awesome!

@maytum1990 Жыл бұрын

Hey man love this videos keep em up

@ruancoetzee472 Жыл бұрын

I would love to see a lore video on Ulysses, I find him very intriguing

@rottenbarrel6152 Жыл бұрын

One of the best characters ever written honestly 🔥🔥 that video needs to happen

@TheGamingAbyss 2 ай бұрын

I love these videos by the way! Very good format!

@cmdrclassified Жыл бұрын

Superb work as always, Sir! You have a way of bringing so much life to the lore of Fallout. o7

@angelicagaldos Жыл бұрын

Thank you for 87 tribes of Ceasar video.

@elic1356 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video!

@FalloutNVCaesar 11 ай бұрын

Very great content!

@HaggerstonCastleAGC 11 ай бұрын

Absolutely awesome stuff. Keep up the great work.

@sugargay7168 Ай бұрын

Idk why but post apocalyptic Romans is such a vibe

@brutalyungen9263 Жыл бұрын

This Was Another Great Video ✔️💯

@christophercostello696 Жыл бұрын

What's this? new synonymous lore? On my Birth day? What a treat.

@ashleywenner1050 3 ай бұрын

Hard disagree on your assessment that a legion victory in the mojave would lead to the legion conquering california and im pretty sure thats showed fairly clearly in game

@keltonwilliams7106 Жыл бұрын

Finally a tribal lore video! Great job dude I thought the video was dope af. I like how you always seem to find something to make content on.

@falloutshorts Жыл бұрын

That New Vegas concept art is absolutely beautiful.

@ralleei Жыл бұрын

great video once again my friend 👌🏾now to go watch a modded playthrough since my pc no longer works

@paulycoleman98 Жыл бұрын

Love this video!!!

@PopeLeoXIIIFanAccount Ай бұрын

When i started this video i was worried that you were going to go with the whole “he was actualy flawed and a bad guy from the beginning”. But im glad i stayed and watched. Great video.

@elic1356 Жыл бұрын

It's amazing how you've been able to crank out so many videos recently! Amazing, but don't get burnt out!

@ElClaudioBasado Жыл бұрын

Another excelent video Synonymous, and ¿What is your opinion of Old World Blues (the fallout mod of Hearts of iron IV)?

@filming_potatoes2200 Жыл бұрын

Yes! Another video!

@JustDornan Жыл бұрын

best fallout lore channel

@archieliam717 Жыл бұрын

Notification gang, let’s go! ❤

@Teranakki. Жыл бұрын

You're probably one of the best Fallout content creator bro.👌

@Synonymous101 Жыл бұрын

Thank you! 😁👍

@crouchingtiger5431 Жыл бұрын

Keep up the gd work

@atleedgar2844 Ай бұрын

Start a portion dude you could definitely make long videos - love listening to this while people sleep and long videos are so good for that

@charlieburkett274 Жыл бұрын

good thinking on a topic

@kaidorade1317 Жыл бұрын

12 Tribes of Israel: we are many! The 87 Legions of Caesar: Hold my wine

@Yes-Man1337 Ай бұрын

You forgot how the White Legs started mimicking Ulysses’s hair bc they revered him & it made him so pissed that he taught them how to fight, but in ways Caesar considers dishonorable (guns and ambushes rather than facing their opponent head on etc)

@PlutoTheSynth Жыл бұрын

Great video

@mikeyfosmire5547 Жыл бұрын

I am a simple man, I see Synonymous posted, I click the video!

@seanromine3932 Жыл бұрын

I was under the impression that the white-legs would never have been permitted to join the legion either way. Yes, certainly not while remaining as they were, but I could swear that Ulysses said they would never be allowed to join even if they succeeded in killing Joshua Graham as, officially he was already dead and Caesar's word was law, would imply that he failed, etc. Anyone else remember that or has it just been too long since I played the game last.

@cecrops9289 Жыл бұрын

You’re right, frankly this gentlemen made a lot of minor lore mistakes in this video. Enough in my opinion to say this isn’t an accurate video, but yeah the white legs were never going to be allowed to join the legion. It’s almost like Caesar was messing with them because he moved the goal post until it was literally “wipe all these tribes out here for me” and Ulysses tells us Caesar never planned to let them live; regardless of them accomplishing that gol or not.

@seanromine3932 Жыл бұрын

@@cecrops9289 I figured that it was really Ulysses that was messing with the white-legs. He was disillusioned with the legion, not especially happy with what happened to the twisted-hairs- his tribe. Found great promise at the Divide, watched it fall apart either by intent or accident and did a lot, most every DLC in some small way had his mark on it, to get at you. Knowing that the white-legs were never to succeed in joining the Legion-in part due to the burned man not being accepted as existing, partially due to Ulysses fully expecting that you would likely come out on top. It was him killing Joshua Graham or driving him out, making him become the Legate again or you painstakingly steering him to salvation. Caesar likely had no idea that any of this was going on at all. This was never about him-it was always about you-the Courier. Not messing with the White-legs, not messing with Joshua Graham and the Mormons who were aiding him. This was about you, making you remember yourself or, making decisions that would change the fate of so many. How would you face these choices? Could you live with them? Would you take steps to once more build your new nation or would you once again stand back and watch those around you burn?

@cecrops9289 Жыл бұрын

@@seanromine3932 a lot of what you said is conjecture, but I like the thought process.