The 911 Sweet Spot | Porsche 911 997 Depreciation & Buying guide

Looking to buy a Porsche 911 997? Then this is the video to watch. In this buying and depreciation guide of the Porsche 911, I am showing you the full depreciation curve, the depreciation per year and per 1000 miles driven. Furthermore, I show you how these numbers differ between the Carrera and Carrera S. At the end of the video, we will also compare all these numbers to some other cars. Finally, I show you some cars in the current market which offer the best value for money.
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The video is structured in a top-down way. That means that we first have a look at the full market and some general price levels. After this, we will dive into the details.
Specifically, this means that the video for the Porsche 911 is split into a few parts. We will start by having a look at the full 911’s depreciation curve, including the 991. This gives a good indication of the 997’s position in the depreciation curve. In the second part, we will focus on the 997and figure out the depreciation per year. All these numbers will then be split between the Carrera 2, Carrera 4, Carrera 2S and Carrera 4S. In the third part, we will also have a look at the depreciation per 1000 miles driven. We continue by having a look at the relative depreciation rate and how this rate compares to some other cars. Surprisingly, the rate is quite high. At the of the video, I will show you how you can find the best deals in the market and what some of these deals are.
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[@DasCayman]

I bought a 2008 997.1 Carrera S cab with 118k miles on it for $20k last year. I'm wondering if I am that blue dot so low!! LOL!! I put in $1500 in preventative maintenance and I've never smiled more in my life with the top down cruising. What I love is that it has so many miles on it that I never will have to worry about how many miles I'm putting on it since I've basically passed the point of "no return" for mileage depreciation. I could drive it another 40k miles and it will still be worth high teens, low 20's. The best cars are the ones you can just enjoy and not have to worry about! Runs like an absolute champ as well.

[@richarddarsa6353]

Even if you do turn a 25K car into a 50K mile car, its a pretty shallow curve of depreciation anyway, and if you do it over 10 years, you will probably loose nothing, because the price of a new 911 by then will be 200K protecting the underlying price of the 997 anyways. Its a great car either way.

[@texanengineer9224]

I never comment on videos, but your channel is truly exceptional and I had to give my two cents. Your analysis is spot on, similar to what I've done myself except on a far more thorough level. Invaluable insight for an "ordinary" car guy like myself who wants to find my next sports car but not wealthy enough to throw oodles of cash out on depreciation (the number one driver of vehicle cost that people usually overlook). Love the plots as well - concise and easy to read, yet packed full of information. One can keep re-reading the plots depending on the perspective you are looking for. Keep up the good work! Very thankful for your heavy lifting, especially the comparison to other models on the market. People often don’t realize that exotics like used Ferrari and Aston (and Porsche, though not as exotic, ha) are actually feasible purchases to the upper middle class with a some homework and research. It is incredibly rewarding to find something that seems unattainable yet fully within your budget - I am in my late 20s and bought my first Porsche 997.1 two years ago. I have a regular desk job (no trust fund, no hand-me-down luck), but with hard work and a keen eye to finances you too can find a sports car within your means! Studying depreciation curves like the ones here on Fourwheel Trader are only one important step in this process. Unfortunately I’ve also gotten the sports car bug now, which means I’m eternally plotting the next adventure when funds permit…no doubt with the help of the analysis here :)

[@fourwheeltrader]

Thanks! Which cars are you considering after the 997.1?

[@apolloandratti7922]

This 997 analysis was perfect. I have been waiting the for the 997.2 mkt to bottom, but it is taking some time. There’s a big difference between the .1 and the .2-as the .2 has a similar direct injection engine found in the 991 (no IMS, or bore scoring issues) and is the perfect 997. This really shows in the price jump between the two variants.

[@fourwheeltrader]

True, the upgrades which you get with the 997.2 really split the data.

[@jonathancollard3710]

I had MY2005 997, 12 years ago. Watch for corrosion on the two smaller radiators (air con and oil) in lower front bumper if looking to buy. Not cheap to replace. My favourite version and I’ve owned 964 and 993 as well as older Boxster and 981 Boxster owned from new MY2013 ... which we still have and is excellent. All Porsche cars lovely - good hunting

[@TheGrungeChild]

Love your videos mate, I purchased a 2005 (single row ims) 911.1 2wd auto base (gt3kit)for $49,995 new zealand dollars, owned it for 12 months from 70,000kms to 78,800kms and sold it for $56,000 nzd. beautiful car, beautiful Stats. ill get another. thanks, your info is very helpful, when most people are comparing them by deciding what the last true real 911 is, I was driving mine and getting paid. the Porsche club asked me to join and I spent a year cruising once a month with all sorts of Porsches and the tag along ferrari's, aston martins, masaratis, jags. what a great way to meet people and have fun. hopefully the know it all's will keep expecting/telling others these cars will grenade the ims/engine and I can pull something like this off again. a 911 base is great option. get a 997.1 for the price of a camry and let it rip, while you loose next to nothing and gain so much. its a great and affordable life driving depreciated European gems. many Thanks

[@kashyappalicha797]

YOU ARE A GOD!!!!! Found your video by fluke and I like your style...subscribing now.

[@fourwheeltrader]

Welcome to the channel!

[@VadimOnishchuk]

My favorite Porsche generation 😍😍

[@jamest5149]

My 997 doubled in value... one of 2 viper green GT3 CS in Australia... chose spec, colour, condition an mileage wisely and they can be a great value proposition 👍

[@drimrankhan77]

Hi James What year is your 997 ? And which state ?

[@vogray]

Wonderful break down of the market. That’s your best video so far. I’d really like to see the F80/F82 BMW M3/M4 market analysis. Thank you!

[@fourwheeltrader]

Thanks. The m4 is coming in the next few weeks :)

[@danhall5761]

Von Gray best time to buy the m4 really, I think they’ve bottomed out for the most part, just look at the e92 market.

[@clubsportlarry4835]

Yes this would be great.

[@robt2951]

Great video. Analytics is my career and I can tell you’re a master as well. Where can I acquire the data sets to do my own analysis?

[@thebuildingbuyerchannel]

I believe 997.2s are going to be extremely collectible and have a ton of history already since they didn’t produce too many of them because of the recession. I only found 15 for sale in the US with a clean Carfax. I believe they’re actually going to go up because they’re the last of analog 911s. 997.1s and 996s I see too many of them on the market where a 997.2 I hardly see any.

[@sergduchini7299]

Thanks for your insights. I purchased a 2010 997.2 4s silver PDK with very low KM about 40K. I love it. I don’t do allot of driving but it is my daily drive. I did drIve a 991 but I did not like it as much. I appreciate the personal nature of that assessment. I feel this model will be future classic.

[@tcomegna]

Audi TT-RS both generations. Gotta give some love to that hidden Inline 5 Gem!

[@larrygk1257]

Solid video. As we know other variables besides mileage and year/gen. Hard to map everything. For example options like Sport Seats. Eight months after this video was made I bought a sub 40k mile 2005 CS 6MT for mid 40's from a reputable dealer. IMS and shaft was upgraded to 2006 spec by the shop. Heavily equipped except for no PSE or PASM. Many requests to buy...dealer was firm at $45k. Took the plunge and the car is immaculate, not a flaw, west coast car, and good records. Still feel a few K too high but in looking at ll the ones I did across the US from 2005-2007 this was the best.

[@raphaelsanchez4797]

I watched just one of your videos and subscribed. I enjoyed the way you presented your data and enjoy your enthusiasm. Congratulations! One collateral issue relating to mileage. As a very general matter, older cars with low mileage means they sit for a while and sitting causes damage. In regards to 911s with IMS bearing issues, many have noted that damage to the bearing is caused at lower RPM driving and is often seen in lower-mileage cars that are driven at lower rev ranges. I do not believe the IMS bearing issue as horrific as people describe, but I simply note that low mileage older 911 cars can still be problematic and perhaps the pricing is reflected for this factor.

[@karlodefinis6892]

I love the depreciation leaderboard!

[@fourwheeltrader]

Me too :)

[@pierrekitts7089]

Picked up a manuel gearbox 2010 997.2 Carrera S Coupe Silver on black 2.5 years ago, and still in the money.

[@doctortruth4094]

The break in the market between 997.1 and 997.2 likely has to do with the much improved and more durable 9A1 engines introduced in 2009, which among other things eliminated the IMS bearing problems that were present in many 997.1 engines.

[@stephenauty2402]

Early C2 manual 996's are very sought after now, good ones going for the same as 997's

[@fourwheeltrader]

True, i think they will follow after the 996 c4s. Perhaps not to the same extent though.

[@stephenauty2402]

I think the C4S bubble has burst , the 4wd not being quite as desirable as 2wd. They're still a brilliant car though, I saw one the other day on the road and it's so small and really stands out. Good time to buy a C2 manual 98/99. Friends Green Porsche have a cracking Jade one I would love to be in a position to buy.

[@christophersolhi7475]

Very underrated page. Going to get big soon.

[@dezinetech1000]

It comes down to supply and demand. The cleaner cars with low mileage with complete records will fetch more money and that’s the bottom line. You get what you pay for. Here’s a piece of advice from my own experience. Once you know your preference I.e. color, drivetrain, gear box , etc. buy it! Don’t wait. I saw a really nice with my preferred specs, negotiated a price but sat on it for a few days and it was sold. What I learned is when you find your specs which is not easy to come by and you agree on a deal (even when they hardly budged) just buy it. So when I had another opportunity, guess what I did? No waiting around and I got it! These 997s are special, the last analog visceral 911s.

[@fourwheeltrader]

True, there is a big difference between finding a car which offers the best value for money and your dream car :)

[@axmmcmxviaxm7072]

Own a 997.1 4S and the cheapest with same mileage I can find in my country is +12k from what I've paid. Prices largely depend on country too.

[@jankundert4353]

Love theses analyses! I would be very interested to learn your view about the development of a rather narrow market, such as the Saab 900 (pre GM-era, so before 1994), particularly the convertibles. Best, Jan

[@matteo91601]

In my experience buying a 997.2 the lowest price outlier cars are usually imports with no history and visible issues. In Germany you can often find Dubai imported vehicles for 30% less than the equivalent car with a full maintenance history and was a “resident” all along.

[@fourwheeltrader]

True, most the 911 market depreciates in a predictable way. Cars deviating from that often often have a catch. Nevertheless, if you look the market like a hawk you will sometimes find some gems.

[@petera8438]

Great analysis. Thanks. Have you tackled the Jaguar F-Type R? If not I'd love to see it.

[@fourwheeltrader]

Here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZofKaJeKh9N6r7c

[@apolloandratti7922]

I love your level of analysis of to your content. This channel should have a lot more subscribers. It would be great if you can add some diversity to the Chanel by evaluating some Japanese cars (including specials variables for the US market). Two suggestions: the 1st Gen Honda/Acura NSX and the Honda S2000. Japanese cars from the 90s/2000s are going through a big awakening in market, especially the s2000 CR in the US.

[@fourwheeltrader]

Thanks for the suggestions

[@warewolf047]

I am looking lately to buy a 997 GT2, it will be great to have your view on the GT2's and how their values is changing each year. Great videos and price analysis !

[@TheG60528XiJinPing]

How'd it go?

[@warewolf047]

@@TheG60528XiJinPing GT2 market is very small and any owner can ask as much as they want. I had an option to buy a 997 GT2 for under 100k but the history was not very clear as it came from Oman. There is no video yet about the GT2 series, but the GT3 is well documented by Fourwheel Trader.

[@stantonwarner8403]

Hi, I thought that your video was excellent. I really loved all of the statistical slices of the various car specs. Thank you so much for sharing. A pay-to-join statistical tool that allows the user to manipulate data on current cars on the market to find good deals would be something great. I'd gladly pay to join to play with data and find good deals. Keep up the great work!

[@fourwheeltrader]

Thanks. The tool which you describe is in the works. Stay tuned.

[@darrreltrigg2282]

Excellent statistical analysis! I know you are not facing the demise of combustion engines cars in the USA quite as soon as in the UK (2030) . How do you see the effect of this on the depreciation curves of specifically a 997. Would you say that the advent of moving to electric versions of cars will accelerate or decelerate these curves? Initially I thought that in the case of a 997 it might hold its value like the 930 from the 80’s has done, but electric cars like the Taycan/Tesla are that exciting that people will rather choose the new tech verses an old world combustion engine?? Let me know your thoughts

[@fourwheeltrader]

That's in interesting idea for a video. Nevertheless, it will be difficult to argue for anything as one would need to speculate.

[@TheApostoly]

Super interesting analysis thank you. Any data on more exclusive models (but less data of course), like GT2 GT3 Turbo GTS ?

[@TheApostoly]

just so the dedicated video on them, thanks :)

[@huwla1]

Great video! Can you do the 993 market? Would be interesting to see the data on the last air cooled generation.

[@LilTaco777]

Up up and away

[@marcs.9977]

Damn this guy is smart

[@nolanohana]

Aim for a 2009 or newer, prior to that the engine still suffers from the IMS issue, although there were improvements made year after year

[@deangrice7378]

KPN. Not the case for 2006 onwards as the bearing was upgraded in size from then on.

[@nolanohana]

Dean Grice Not true, the bearing from 2006-2008 is unserviceable and cannot be replaced unless the engine is taken apart. Grease from the bearing may not be sufficient enough to lubricate it properly. Porsche struggled until 2009 to get this right.

[@JC-iq5td]

Incorrect from 2006 the factory installed the larger IMS these don’t fail

[@jmattcarrasco]

@FourwheelTrader, I wonder if your analysis takes into consideration how few models of the 997.2 were produced relative to the 997.1 or the 991.1/2? There were ~60k units of the 997.2 made with the last aspirated 9A1 engine (non GT cars; same engine in the 991.1). There were 105K+ units of the 997.1, which also had the M97 engine, rather than the much improved 9A1 variant. Similarly, there were over 105k units of the the 991.1 and a similar numbers of units for the 991.2. In other words, you have very low production number relative to cars before and after the 997.2, which could mean the car should bottom out at a higher level than its predecessor and it should track similar to the 964 and even the 993 in terms of being collectible in the near term.

[@fourwheeltrader]

Hi, that's a good point. Production numbers are at this stage not taken into account in any of the models i use. However, I also don't think it is necessary to include them. The data namely includes the split between the 997.1 and 997.2. This split shows that the 997.2 models go for a large premium compared to the the 997.1 models. As a result of this price difference, the model forecast shows that the 997.2 would bottom out at higher levels than the 997.1 (this forecast is not included in the video). The reason that it shows this is the it can be argued that all information is reflected in the price of the cars. This includes information such as a better engine for the 997.2 and lower production numbers. It is however with the current data not possible to say what excactly the reason is that the 997.2 is priced higher. Is it the improved engine? Or is the production numbers?

[@todd3024]

I would be very curious to see a long term graph and future projection of the Honda S2000. Data sample size is huge and it actually seems to be rebounding and appreciating in value now. Thanks!

[@fourwheeltrader]

Thanks, good suggestions

[@scottcolpitts8521]

Make sure to research the bore scoring issues these have before purchasing. Pretty common.

[@haimeliyahu1]

Great job! Thanks for sharing.

[@loublack222]

I love my 2012 c4gts, great video

[@SAMMYJR00777]

make some about 928 and 928s4 videos? those are going up in prices big time

[@gerardodelgadoramirez458]

Could you apply your skills to try to find cars that will greatly appreciate in the future? To me the holly grail is the Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale (new was $17,000 or around $220,000 in today's money) and now can cost millions of dollars.

[@rayonchip]

Thanks!

[@fourwheeltrader]

Thanks a lot for the support. It is much appreciated.

[@vivalapete7504]

This is great. Do you have or have you planned a video on the 996 turbo and non turbos?

[@fourwheeltrader]

A 996 video is coming up in a few weeks.

[@tconnarn]

very helpful! thanks

[@concernedliberal4453]

I'd be interested in knowing whether performance-wise a 997.2 Carrera S is worth the price premium against the 997.2 Carrera base model. I'm not planning on taking it to the track and just to use it as a fun daily driver. Please share your own experiences. Thanks.

[@therealalex2120]

Amazing! Thank you!!!! 👍🏻

[@rs4132]

I would like to see a video for the Lotus Exige. Thank's !

[@fourwheeltrader]

Good suggestion. There are unfortunately though not enough exiges for sale in the US to make an analysis.

[@stuartpayne3983]

Great video! Would love to see one on Mercedes AMG SLS (gullwing) they seem to have held their value well

[@gabri2621]

Great job!!

[@dtna]

How bad is the IMS problem with the 997.1?

[@Alsclips2013]

Brilliant mate!

[@keithprice6581]

Hey man, love your videos. Where are you getting sales data from? Thanks!

[@blue35tuesday]

good question, because these numbers are way low

[@LusioF]

Super smart, thank you!!

[@timmayer4031]

Thanks for your great videos, could you check out the Porsche 993 prices?

[@fourwheeltrader]

Good suggestion

[@K1dPhresh1]

Good video but for me it would need to be more detailed. Manual vs PDK for the 997.2. It also fails to account for variances in spec (full leather, Sport Chrono, Porsche Sport Exhaust, etc.). I’m be no means bashing the video. I find it very useful, but for my 997.2 hunt, I have a few specifics that I would pay for over others. Thanks for the work put into this! Also, what market did you collect your data from?

[@fourwheeltrader]

This is based on the US market. When hunting for one's own car it is indeed desirable to have more specific breakdowns. In my videos i usually include the breakdowns which in my opinion show something interesting.

[@K1dPhresh1]

Fourwheel Trader - Car depreciation analysis thanks! I assumed US market but it seems you have an accent so I wasn’t sure. No disrespect. Hopefully I’ll be able to use the info you provided here on my 997 hunt soon. Thanks again.

[@sydredskyline]

I would like to see if you can do a computation on 987 Cayman including Cayman S Cayman GTS and 981 or 982 718s. Manual and Pdks

[@fourwheeltrader]

All the caymans are covered on the channel. I believe the videos also show the transmission type splits.

[@terryparrott9426]

612 Scaglietti please

[@blue35tuesday]

what are these sales numbers based off of? base model carreras???

[@nicotinegaming76]

Thanks for the lesson on using graphing to help identify good values in a market. Do you have any advice on how to collect data and build such graphs? Is there some helpful software?

[@fourwheeltrader]

I'm working on some software for this. More about that soon.

[@jorggm3265]

997 the best

[@prestonfrank]

I’m looking at purchasing an 07 997 targa 4s with 41000 miles. They are asking 57k. Is this a good price?

[@pauljoyquilter359]

Have you done or do you plan to do, a video on the Porsche Cayman series?

[@fourwheeltrader]

All the cayman variations are covered on the channel :)

[@olmotors5706]

How about the 964 price?

[@khoimavlogs5161]

Porsche 997.2 gts for me

[@markbbbbbbbbbb]

It’s not bad analysis, but you’re missing some key steps. Have a look at 3D plots rather than 2dimensions. Also the number of vehicles you’re looking at in the market isn’t enough to be able to produce accurate curves. There are ways to overcome this...

[@fourwheeltrader]

Thanks for the tips. Most of my other videos include 3d plots for the fair purchasing prices. However, i get the impression from my viewers that they find it much harder to follow when i use a 3d plot. I therefore switched back to 2d plots. When it comes to the curves, the curves are relatively stable. There are indeed ways to increase the stability further but i found that for most markets the added benefit is marginal.

[@bradleynicklin6561]

Great analysis, very helpful. Try to do it with less hands.

[@jerome2844]

What is your data source for these graphs?

[@blues3531]

7:43 I can tell you right now without a doubt that car is a silver, convertible, tiptronic lol. Guaranteed. EDIT: LMFAO. I posted this before seeing 8:11 where another good value is posted and its exactly as I described.

[@fourwheeltrader]

*Which car would you like to see analysed next?*

[@apolloandratti7922]

Fourwheel Trader - Car depreciation analysis I love your level of analysis of to your content. This channel should have a lot more subscribers. It would be great if you can add some diversity to the Chanel by evaluating some Japanese cars (including specials variables for the US market). Two suggestions: the 1st Gen Honda/Acura NSX and the Honda S2000. Japanese cars from the 90s/2000s are going through a big awakening in market, especially the s2000 CR in the US.

[@nathanl7283]

Could you please do the Audi RS7?

[@000GunterGabriel000]

997 GT3/RS ;-) / Porsche 964 / Golf GTI MK 7 / BMW E46 M3 (CSL)

[@000GunterGabriel000]

And McLarens. Maybe 14C? 600LT? 675LT?

[@000GunterGabriel000]

And Ferarri 458 (Speciale) ;-)

[@rezhaadriantanuharja3389]

Me: I want the 2009 Carrera 4s Cabriolet now. Her: But the depreciation rate for 997 is ... Me: NOW

[@fourwheeltrader]

😂

[@seb3311]

too bad you left out the turbos and GT cars... thats where it gets really interesting...

[@travis3567]

How often do you revisit these? I hope to buy a 997.2 in about 2 years, but I’m afraid the market will begin appreciating by then. What are your thoughts?

[@fourwheeltrader]

Usually every 6 or 12 months, depending on the popularity of the video.

[@travis3567]

@@fourwheeltrader thanks mate. I’ve subscribed and look forward to future videos. Thanks for all the effort that goes into these highly professional videos. You’re a blessing to the car community!

[@autocrossracer8320]

I like your videos but I find that the organization of your videos difficult to follows as they are different from video to video. Maybe more headings or captions or timestamps would guide the viewer. Also if there was a conclusion section to boil down all the analysis, that would be beneficial. It's hard to stay engaged when the videos are all different and jumps around.

[@fourwheeltrader]

I don't recognize your feedback. The videos are organized in four to five steps which are introduced in the beginning of the video. Everytime i move to the next step it is mentioned and all the videos end with a conclusion. Perhaps you are looking for something like in the 720s video?

[@autocrossracer8320]

@@fourwheeltrader I don't know, I've gone through several of your videos and while I find the information useful (e.g. V8 Vantage, 996 Turbo, 997, Best and Worst Depreciating), I find I'm playing them at 1.75x or 2x speed just to get to the information I want. Usually I am able to skip to the part of the video I'm interested in but when I can't find it, I have to resort to the fast playback method.

[@ashman0071]

This shows a 'split' at 4:11, but then the graphs with the similar data points for base and S, 2 and 4, coupe and cabriolet show plotted straight lines without any 'split' ? Because it's not there - so where did it come from? The price difference you quote as $16K, but I think you've overestimated it AND you didn't mention that the 997.1's are, of course, older than the 997.2's and more likely will be higher milage ...... still a good review but.........and If you've read this far you can go do your own research on 997.1 engine serial numbers and how early in the life cycle their engines were already being built with the non-issue IMS bearing the 997.1's are also more plentiful - that's ok - their port fuel injected engines sound better and they look more old school - the LED lights on the 997.2's look very odd to an old geezer like me ; P .

[@fourwheeltrader]

This video is quite outdated by now given today's market. This is the latest video on the 997 market: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3ullmV7h7eUadU

[@carlb.7692]

What about 997.1 Turbo/GT2/GT3?

[@fourwheeltrader]

I have full analysis on the 997 turbo: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGXah6mnbt-Dm80 The 997 Gt2 and Gt3 i didn't cover yet.

[@lmaternick]

gearabox replacement , means new gearbox . ++

[@biunzRS]

997 turbo is my favorite affordable car. I just dont know what would be better, 1st gen or 2nd gen

[@danhall5761]

Casual Brian 2nd... if you knew anything about the 997 you would go for a .2

[@biunzRS]

Dan Hall lmao and why is that..?

[@mutley748916]

First gen gets the mezger engines, so .1 is best.

[@mutley748916]

@@biunzRS he is getting confused with the non turbo 997.1 and the non turbo direct injection . 2 turbo . 2 isn't the mezger engine, look it up 👍

[@jeffreylevin9728]

Just a recommendation, for supercar/hypercar break down between coupe and convertible.

[@fourwheeltrader]

That breakdown is briefly included in the video.

[@micraw714]

I was hoping to get into an early 991 but they're still out of my range 😭

[@fourwheeltrader]

997.2 is also not too bad i would say :)

[@danielecappi6006]

What are the supercars are now at the bottom line?

[@fourwheeltrader]

Good idea for a video

[@danielecappi6006]

@@fourwheeltrader yes yes yes it would be great for buyers and collectors! You could split video depending on budget and the type of a car

[@cayman9873]

Prices for 2005 base in sept 2021 ?

[@fourwheeltrader]

The latest update is from three months ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3ullmV7h7eUadU

[@freddyfarid2810]

what will be the value and depreciation for 997 Turbo cabrio model 2010 done 38K kilometres ?

[@fourwheeltrader]

There is a seperate video on my channel covering the 997 turbo market.

[@fourwheeltrader]

There is a seperate video on my channel covering the 997 turbo market.

[@mattvann8553]

Focus rs 2016-19

[@fourwheeltrader]

Good suggestion, thanks!

[@johnrodgers6049]

Had a 2016. Liked it. Dude in a pickup totaled it. Insurance thought it was worth $29k. Was otherwise in good condition. 36k miles. BTW replaced it with a Porsche Macan GTS.

[@Ryusthetics]

Thanks for the useful video! Could you do videos on the C43 AMG and CLA45 AMG please?

[@fourwheeltrader]

Good suggestions. Did you already see the c63 amg video?

[@cyrilguerin3455]

$ currency: is this the US market? Believe me you would not get a 997 at these rates in Europe:-) I would recommend to factor as well further categories within a generation: e.g. a 997.1 prior to 2006 is obviously less attractive (risks) than a post 2006, and some models are considered modern classics and their prices at least in some part of Europe are actually gaining in value. Finally Porsche options need to be taken into consideration simply because these cars last so long that the resale potential needs to be integrated at the Purchase moment. Cosmetics comments really (as a complement if you wish to stick to the presentation parameters without extending to all 997 types), otherwise a lot of work in this analysis, well done.

[@fourwheeltrader]

This is the US market. I'm from Europe and i'm aware that the market here is quite diffrent and especially more expensive. Generally, the premium which is paid for options fades away quite quickly once the car ages. This happens up to the point where prices bottom and might even start to increase. I didn't run this analysis yet for the 997, but my guess is that we slowly start to see this effect. Thanks for the tips.

[@skoshunt]

I thought it woud be this year and this model best value but I might have missed something

[@fourwheeltrader]

It is, but only at the end.

[@skoshunt]

@@fourwheeltrader I'm sorry but just watched the ending again I'm not saying you didn't give us enough information but i did not hear you say 99_ 20__ trim __ this may not be what this video was about or it just went over my head

[@fourwheeltrader]

@@skoshunt Perhaps we mean different things :) . The end of the video shows cars which i think offer good value for money. I.e this model x with price y and mileage z. When it comes to the full market, the inflection point usually offers the best value for money. Also, the S and high spec cars offer food value because the initial premium is reduced significantly.

[@dr.brianjudedelimaphd743]

Would the 997.1 engine sound different than a 997.2 engine ? I have heard some say the exhaust note is deeper in a 997.1 over a 997.2 .... Can anyone chime in and clarify .... Thank you

[@axmmcmxviaxm7072]

Yes. Own a 997.1 4S and next to it a 997.2 S Cabrio. Neighbours and people all the time tell me, they don't sound the same and they love the deeper sound of a 997. Especially in sport mode. It's a bit louder too.

[@dr.brianjudedelimaphd743]

@@axmmcmxviaxm7072 Thanks for the response : ) so which one is louder ? ( you left us hanging stating " they love the deeper sound of a 997. " Is it 997.1 or 997.2 ?

[@KyleBrightman]

What analytical software do you use? JMP, Minitab, etc? Just curious, your graphs and analyses are fantastic.

[@fourwheeltrader]

Thanks, I use Python for all the graphs.

[@doctortruth4094]

Are your prices based on asking prices or actual transaction prices?

[@fourwheeltrader]

They are asking prices. Unfortunately, the actual transaction prices are not available. To correct for them you can deduct x% from the prices. This shifts the market down along the price axis.

[@jeffreylevin9728]

Any chance we can get Ferrari FF/GTC4Lusso also

[@fourwheeltrader]

Good suggestion! Are you in the market for one?

[@jeffreylevin9728]

@@fourwheeltrader Also looking at F430 spider. I have a 991.1 c4s cab as my current daily driver and trying to figure out if i want to swap out for the FF or gtc4lusso (not the T - want the awd to replace my daily) or instead go with a F430 spider and keep the 911.

[@jennifergeller6561]

What about F430 Spider and Berlinetta??

[@MrFlyNfink]

Cab vs coupe?

[@fourwheeltrader]

That split is briefly included im the video. But if i remember correctly, there was no significant difference between them.

[@howardhughes1088]

What happened to item No3 at 40 seconds? 🤣

[@fourwheeltrader]

Haha, at least someone was awake.

[@K1dPhresh1]

Yeah, I caught that too!

[@shiftintohigh5564]

👍👍👍

[@captgiddyup88]

What a pathetic generalization. Clean CarFax? Miles? 1 Owner vs 5 Owners? Accidents? Smoking vs Non-Smoking. There are countless factors making Mr Fast Talker bologna

[@fourwheeltrader]

Those factors however explain very little of the price variation when you compare it to model year and mileage. I.e it would make the video to long and too detailed without adding a lot of information.

[@DavidA-hv8xp]

This sure aged like milk…

[@fourwheeltrader]

Check out the market update: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3ullmV7h7eUadU

[@tonyluxton3726]

Has this guy ever haggled with anybody when buying a second hand Porsche I doubt it , it’s all about history and what you see in front of you and how good your buying skills are. This is all bollocks

[@fourwheeltrader]

Depending on your negotiation skills, you just deduct an x% from the advertised prices. This means that the market shifts down along the price axis and the dynamics remain intact. Ergo, not bollocks.

[@tonyluxton3726]

Was buying prestige cars for a living back in the 90s and earned a fantastic living buy following these golden rules If the car has no price on it it’s to dear If the car is the right colour your sell it easily If the car has genuine service records it’s probably a good genuine car Milage is down to the buyer and helps your negotiation Number of owners is also a factor in Porsche cars Do your research on your target cars know there faults Your white board graph won’t help anybody smell burning oil missing engine or head gadget weep while looking at a car on there drive. Second hand cars age very volatile and Sometimes the price can climb back up in the short term If it works in the office for you good luck

[@simongchadwick]

Porsche enthusiasts (e.g. PCA members, Rennlist forum members, etc.) know the value of these cars as both buyers and sellers. This Depreciation & Buying guide is very useful for summarizing and comparing these values. Of course it is always possible to get a great deal on a 997 (or any car) when buying from a desperate or ignorant seller. And likewise, an uninformed buyer could pay way too much.

[@elcasho]

You missed the entire point of these videos

[@paulbergin8756]

997 are a future classic which means they will go up in value so stop talking crap.

[@fourwheeltrader]

Not my opinion, what you see is data. Perhaps they will go up at some point but that is not yet now.

[@elcasho]

You are an a-hole

[@Ricky-cl5bu]

The engine is crap on a 997 I had one piston bore score and ims really bad

[@thebuildingbuyerchannel]

I believe 997.2s are going to be extremely collectible and have a ton of history already since they didn’t produce too many of them because of the recession. I only found 15 for sale in the US with a clean Carfax. I believe they’re actually going to go up because they’re the last of analog 911s. 997.1s and 996s I see too many of them on the market where a 997.2 I hardly see any.

[@rudfil]

Whats the difference between a 997.1 and 997.2 when looking at them side by side , say if you are shopping around for one of them?

[@thebuildingbuyerchannel]

Rudy F 997.2 came out in 2009 after Porsche got a lot of heat for the IMS bearing problems. The 997.2 introduced the PDK with a brand new Direct Fuel Injection for performance. It also has less parts which make the car lighter and easier to maintain. Looking at them the taillights are different and the 997.2’s interior is far superior than the 997.1. 997.2 was a huge milestone as far as technology goes. That’s why I think 997.2s are more in demand than a 997.1 and getting much harder to find. They only them for 3 years.

[@rudfil]

@@thebuildingbuyerchannel Ok, I see but is a one owner 2008 911 Carrera still a good buy at $38k with maint.history or would it be better to keep looking for a 997.2?

[@thebuildingbuyerchannel]

Rudy F $38k is high for 2008. I personally think you’re better off buying a 997.2 from 2009. Yeah it might be $5k more but you won’t have any issues and it will be extremely valuable. If you’re buying a 911, saving pennies is not always the best. Go with the better car.