The Absolute State of College

In this video I discuss whether going to college is worth it, and the value of getting a college degree.
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[@dumbllama8495]

"those kids are not going to college, they are going to jail." I laughed too hard at that

[@oshi313]

BRUHHH :SKULLL:

[@AceGeek]

💀

[@bigyuckydoodoo7235]

"they're really not even cut out for a criminal life"

[@pricklycats]

@@bigyuckydoodoo7235 That's the funny thing. If more smart people sold drugs they wouldn't get caught as much but most smart people don't do something that can get you 10+ years in prison lol

[@2fiafisdoafw34]

@@pricklycats The smart criminal guys are cartel bosses, politicians or socialist leaders, the rest are subhuman dumbass3s that just accomplish the role of cannon fodder. Cruel, but true.

[@scoutdude]

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[@johndoe-xb8fw]

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[@randomgaminginfullhd7347]

Oh shit I thought it was actually him o.o lmfao

[@SkyIsTumbling]

@@randomgaminginfullhd7347 *It Is Him*

[@NitroDubzzz]

@@SkyIsTumbling these jail cells are looking more and more like a typical wagie apartment

[@isaacandersen1]

You had me for a sec

[@qwawazellasonyer7183]

“You only succeed if you go to college” “College only accepts people who’d be successful anyways” Okay.

[@TheCreeperTrack1]

That’s why college degrees from selective schools are valuable. Employers know it’s difficult to get in and that you’re probably pretty good.

[@Cneq]

@@TheCreeperTrack1 Don't forget "getting in" is never enough, first year here completing a Bachelor of IT and in my first group project started with six people and all that was left by the end was two people and one person who didn't contribute, the other three told me they simply dropped out of the degree in it's entirety. Of course it wasn't because it was a bad experience for them, at the end of the unit we got a 91 out of 100 total because me and one other chick who could barely speak English carried it to the end but what made these people leave is that they didn't have the ability to handle the workload.

[@Schytheron]

@@Cneq Yup. I got my Bachelor's Degree in Computer Science recently. We started out as a class of around 40 people. Only 4 of us got a degree.

[@torototoro1252]

@@Schytheron damn which uni is this?

[@Schytheron]

@@torototoro1252 Stockholm University in collaboration with KTH Royal Institute of Technology (it's like the MIT of Sweden). I went a CS collab program where I did my math courses at SU and my computer science courses at KTH.

[@INeedAttentionEXE]

If you're in college, and you have an OnlyFans, it might completely nullify the value of college. It may be harder to find an employer that won't care about your side business.

[@jayzo]

That's one of those things that _is_ true but shouldn't be.

[@TheBinaryHappiness]

how do they check?

[@jayzo]

@@TheBinaryHappiness it's less if they check, more if they find out. Many employers will look at social media when vetting candidates, and they could find your NSFW Twitter that you use to advertise your OnlyFans, and be able to link it to you. I don't have an onlyfans but I've started privating my social media when I have job applications made

[@RottingFarmsTV]

@@user-zv8qg1co4z the virgin suit and tie public account Vs the Chad hyperborean shitposter-supreme 10 follower private account

[@PearComputingDevices]

College nullifies the value of going to college!

[@whigmalwhim4760]

I knew a few people that openly cheated on AP tests, proceeded to get caught and the school refused to reprimand them. The reason the school didn’t punish those students was due to the fact that those students got into CAL and the school wanted to collect more money based on their acceptance.

[@bigboypal]

Don't hate the player hate the game

[@josephbrennan370]

I hate stories like these.

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar9296]

A student at my school was caught copying tests and she was not reprimanded by the school, but I think her acceptance into a top school was rescinded

[@angryteapod1765]

this confirms that colleges are a buisness.

[@MrEdrftgyuji]

Worked for a college for many years. We all knew that, for students that came from a certain country, there was an open black market for people to sit exams and prepare assignments for you. But we were forbidden from talking about it, as these students were bringing in $10,000s a year.

[@hassoony007]

Damn, he just call philosophy and literature "meme degrees" lmao

[@azzypics]

I mean it's mostly true, so makes sense to not sugarcoat it.

[@fergalhennessy775]

What makes this seem strange to you? Any statistics will show you far more degrees are issued in those fields than society has any need for.

[@drippeeboye607]

@@fergalhennessy775 The value of knowledge should not be placed on how much a person will pay you for knowing it

[@fergalhennessy775]

@@drippeeboye607 Going to school for personal enrichment and not financial security is a luxury the vast majority of people cannot afford. It's not the 1950's anymore.

[@prw56]

@@drippeeboye607 But that's almost literally what "value" means, what something is worth to someone. And not all knowledge is of equal value, its supply and demand like everything else. Those degrees have comparatively low demand, and a supply exceeding that demand, so their value is low.

[@alinexus692]

I'm from iraq and English is my second language ofc, i can understand everything you speak 100% You are correct I learnt English from KZbin tech videos I liked this video, you explained everything so good

[@verl0000]

Keep it up!

[@BigWarningSign]

Good job man, your doing great

[@bilbo_gamers6417]

beastin

[@nubilate]

Good job, at that rate, I hope you can become better than your peers

[@zinetx]

كفو 😀

[@dellaair3202]

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[@phagesuffersatgaming.3797]

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[@gldistrict]

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[@peteaustin5018]

I've recently finished my post grad CS degree, and contemplating doing a PhD. I am currently working as a software engineer to get some experience of how industry functions before taking my academic studies further however, and i'm glad I did. Uni taught me a lot of nice theoretical concepts (as well as let me find out I really love academic research), however for software engineering it was borderline useless outside of giving me a "hey look at me!" piece of paper. Here in the UK degrees are handed out like candy at shit unis so i'd argue one is very beneficial but not essential for getting a job in tech. Something I wish my lecturers told me was that what I do in my own time is more important than in class: Work on open source projects, learn more about programming, build real experience.

[@josephbrennan370]

How was doing CS at uni in the UK? I am considering it.

[@peteaustin5018]

@@josephbrennan370 Has its ups and downs, if you live in the UK i'd recommend it but otherwise it's really fucking expensive without a scholarship. You'll learn a lot of important theory and maths behind CS, as well as getting a piece of paper that looks nice to employers, however you will have to spend spare time boosting your skills in areas that uni doesn't teach well. Year in industry programs offered by unis are a great way to get experience too.

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar9296]

I'm in CS at a top 50 American university (undergrad) and I agree with your statement that it's very heavy in theory and very light on applications. It's frustrating to spend 90% of my time studying things that have little application to my career prospects or actual programming ability. Independent projects are absolutely a must but I have so little time to do anything substantial. I can see why some people can get jobs without a degree in this field.

[@theodorosconstantinides7417]

This really depends, I graduated from a really good uk university last year (bristol) and I can say that most if not all of my classmates are good programmers. It has to do with the way each university chooses what to include and how much time to spend teaching it. There are some professors that complained that our degrees lacked in theory and were pushing more theoretical subjects. I think everyone just pushes what they believe is best and it's up to the department to shape the degree they offer.

[@braisedtoast9002]

Cs grads can't code. This has always been my experience at any job.

[@jerf5038]

I’m kinda regretting college. I like to learn things hands on. Like an apprenticeship. But I’m doing this for my parents not me

[@sirzorg5728]

You can't succeed if your heart isn't in it. Don't waste your time. I love microbiology, so I was happy to study microbiology, but if I didn't I know I wouldn't have made it and it would have just been a waste of money. (I haven't finished the video yet btw).

[@jerf5038]

Sir Zorg yea I get it. It’s better to make less money doing what you love. But I’ll see how things go for myself

[@deidara_8598]

Same, my boomer parents have such an outdated view of the world, they don't realize that there are better routes to success. So I have to waste the time I could spend building a future instead walking on a treadmill, stuck in a loop of walking to nowhere, and once my education is done, once I get that scrap of paper with numbers on it and I step off the treadmill ready to walk into life, I'll be too old and tired to do anything sigificant, all my best years wasted walking on a treadmill with nothing but regret to show for it. I hope corona strikes again and we all have to go back to quarantine so that I could get the precious time needed to escape this nightmere.

[@vali69]

"No mom I'm not going if you aren't going to still provide me shelter(or rent money), food(or money to buy it), and pay the collage in full" That's what I would have done if I were in america and in your situation... else fuck it, spend time self teaching coding and programming, or go to a comunity college that offers computer science or a related major...

[@jerf5038]

@@vali69 in my situation I’m using that government cheese to pay for it, but I’m looking into things that I can teach myself like sum basic coding and what not. I’m just dabbling into many things and see what sticks although I’m thinking about getting into welding since that’s what my dad used to do and from watching him occasionally I’ve picked up a few things

[@RamkrishanYT]

From India here.....here things are even worse The college curriculum is like 10-15 years old for computer science which makes no sense

[@bBbKce]

total bollocks! not true.

[@RamkrishanYT]

​ @Mr. Green yeah, it takes 3-4 years to complete as everywhere else, depending upon the program you've enrolled in, just that most of the stuff is super obsolete Like the students from my batch had no option to enroll in an App development course, that was introduced in the batch of my juniors. And like the only languages we were taught were c/c++/java, not even an option for Python. and I passed out this year only.

[@belstar1128]

I am Not from India and this did not happen in college but When i was in school 10 years ago i had to go to the library to read computer books and all the books where from between 1972 to 1998.

[@shreeyashpandey3530]

Oh boy, my university still uses turbo c++ to write C/C++ programs. The only reason i am doing this because if I don't, someone else with a degree will get the job whilst i wouldn't be even considered fit for any interview. What a shit system

[@bBbKce]

@@RamkrishanYT Seems like you're going to private big names, because what I know is contradictory to your saying.. anyways you're out for good but stop bitching about system you have paid enough money to make sure the standards are met in classes (simple way is learning stuff before and asking questions just for few classes, this will ensure professors that there's enough interest for updating curriculum ) Also, there really much you can do with C (hell whole unix is nothing without it), so have you ever skimmed through any *BSD source code and try understanding how simple commands like ls, cd is implemented through various BSDs. I have been there, trust me it doesn't help complaining in any way unless you put efforts (remember nothing comes easy even if you pay for it) If any of above sparks something, I recommend stevens - cs631 advanced programming in Unix (they made this public, lectures are uploaded to yt - due to pandemic)

[@SerabiiBot]

"You usually take an English class every year" Me, a tech student in AU: you *what*

[@matthewclaudio5550]

Yeah we don’t do that at US tech schools either lol

[@azzypics]

As a Russian, I had to take both English (for about a year) and "Professional" English (for about half a year, we just basically sat around and wrote about computers and such) while getting a CS degree.

[@TheWizardGamez]

No, in high school. For most of America you take 12 years of English. Why we don’t stop at 10 or 9 or 8 years… I don’t know. I figure most of the high school level courses could be saved by just instituting a mandatory reading course. Where you’re forced to pick up some literature. But it often is sitting around. And learning about vague and abstract concepts about sentence structure and all the other bullshit your English teacher learned in college that you will literally never use a day in your life. Especially since it’s already outside of the common lexicon. Let me reiterate that. People don’t even talk or write the way English is taught. But we have to take 12 years mandatory English courses because… well who knows

[@KatSitchon]

Great points. I had to withdraw for medical reasons in Fall 2018 and I haven't gone back. It was a blessing in disguise because otherwise, I'd be taking courses on Zoom, hosted by professors that haven't been properly trained to use it, for a degree I wouldn't know what to do with when I earned it. The best thing about college was the relationships I built. My only regret is not studying abroad. I didn't belong in college and neither do a lot of people. It's amazing how much pressure there is to attend college by high schools and parents. I feel sorry for anyone that is disowned by their parents just because they chose not to go - truly ridiculous.

[@youlooklikeagoodjoeyoulooklone]

Why would you rather study abroad?

[@AcidiFy574]

@@youlooklikeagoodjoeyoulooklone you got a problem with that??

[@charlesc.9012]

@@youlooklikeagoodjoeyoulooklone 3-year degrees could contain none of the common core subjects you must take in 4-year programs. This cuts out a lot of the ideology you must study in the US. American degrees are also expensive, so UK degrees would be the same total monetary cost while saving a year

[@OwenGilmoreOG]

I hear you. One of the things that I remember most fondly about college is the friendships and parties. But you can get that in the army! Lol

[@yeahgirl11]

@@OwenGilmoreOG Not always. Military is just like high school, cliques and all. Depends on the unit you get though I guess.

[@SuburbaniteUrbanite]

I recently had to participate in a program where we as a class were forced to write to 10 year olds and get them excited about college. I openly stated that this was a toxic outlook to the professor and she said something along the lines of ‘they are potentially the first generation in their family to go to college’. So? Who gives a fuck? So I ended up teaching the kid that college may be worth it if what they are wanting to do requires it, because the amount of loans you will have to take out will never make anything less than a tech job or a medical field job even worth it to basically break even. You do not need college to be successful, we just think that we need it.

[@theoreticalphysics3644]

Tf kinda program you in where you gotta spread that kind of propaganda? Also, yeah, if you're not in tech, med, or law, it's pretty much useless. Even most stem degrees tbh, my physics degree for instance is useless, I should have majored in cs instead of minored. I think the worst thing is just how we're expected to know what tf we're doing with our lives at 18 and make such a blind investment.

[@zerohero5753]

@@theoreticalphysics3644 Not really, I know a lot of people who pursued your path but made the smart decision of amassing more skills through personal and open-source projects. A simple piece of paper won't be enough nowadays since everyone has one, you have to work much harder to get high-paying jobs especially considering you are competing with candidates worldwide for the first time in history.

[@ciarfah]

I thought I would do a PhD too but now I'm working at a startup doing some interesting work in a tangential field to my degree. The level of disruption over the last 2 years really put the hamster wheel of life into perspective

[@theoreticalphysics3644]

Update: I got a job as a physicist. Degrees aren't useless after all, it comes down to how you use them. That and the luck with the market.

[@777commune]

Yeah, but they are like 10, and they will definitely forget about what you wrote eight years later.

[@Cyberspine]

I'm a last year engineering student at a European university, and the best thing I've got out of university is the perseverance to learn more when I encounter a problem I don't know how to solve. Maybe I could have learned that in a different setting also, I don't know. When it comes to the point about IQ, you are correct that no amount of studying will affect it. An engineering degree is more akin to if you were starting a code project and you were provided with a whole bunch of useful libraries you can use so that you don't have to reinvent the wheel.

[@Peglegkickboxer]

Engineering in school only teaches you the process of problem solving but actually provides very little in preparing you for the field with practical knowledge. All EITs I train know absolutely nothing about their field.

[@ANSELAbitsxb]

True, but post grad beng is a different beast.

[@AdolphusOfBlood]

Collage today totally fails at it's original goal of making well rounded educated adults. So it's value reflects that.

[@Randgalf]

As a swede who spent 6 years in university, I can honestly say that it was the biggest waste of time and money of my life.

[@neuemilch8318]

Did you study psychology?

[@InfiniteDesign91]

I thought swedish university is cool....

[@Calajese]

For me that lives somewhere that has public college, getting a degree isn't that terrible but the brainwashing is possibly some 10 times worse here

[@shroomer3867]

I mean, if it’s public, it usually costs much less than in America, and thus you have less possibility to go into debt over it (still happens though) considering that, it’s basically worth the cost.

[@gabrialgu3905]

Sociology was my first hand experience of brainwashing and I was stupid for taking the easy science credit. The prof. Was some wannabe genius of teaching us about how positive of a change will be if we implemented socialism and useing communism to end climate problems and crisis response will be solved within seconds just got fed up with the atmosphere of a room full of serious yes men and women.

[@HoloScope]

@@gabrialgu3905 I mean socialism isn't inherently bad 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@basicmudkip5985]

@@HoloScope when people assume it to be the cure all for society it is

[@phoneticalballsack]

Utilitarian communism works. Utilitarian capitalism works. Both types of communism and capitalism have existed in the world for decades. Both of those models are immensely successful. Socialism, at least in the U.S, doesn't work. People are too greedy under socialism and when there is no incentive to do anything except be lazy. In most modern socialist countries, the working class has stopped working. The only reason why they get up in the morning is to draw a paycheck. Socialism works for very stratified society like Japan (parents leave kids for the future), but not for a society like the U.S. With all these other problems with the world, do we really need to go the same way that failed societies once went?

[@Minecraft101ToonLink]

Well, this video just further proves that I dodged a massive bullet. I’ve researched a lot on this topic, and I’ve personally come to the conclusion that college isn’t right for me based on what I want to focus my career on.

[@Qetuo013]

Good for you, ToonLink! You gotta do what’s right for you and believe it

[@corvusabaddon]

@Wyatt yeah I met a guy at my college who's been doing general ed classes for 4 years and he still doesn't know what he wants to major in. I feel bad for him.

[@zorth4729]

@@corvusabaddon that’s ridiculous. 6 years?

[@corvusabaddon]

@@zorth4729 oh whoops, meant 4 years. I was thinking of another guy who had to do 6 years for his bachelors. Still an absurd amount of time though.

[@Kuraakka]

I am using college as a time waster basically, but still getting a degree which isn't useless but yea a lot of the times not going to college will save u time and money, and prob put u in a better position 4 years down the line, when you have 4 years of experience, and the college kid has 0 except maybe a few months of internships.

[@Zarrx]

Yo, here is the thing, I was in a small town... And there were multiple kids who got into what their dad or mom did. Installing doors, doing pavement/driveways, home repair, metal and wood working. By the time I did 2 years of college they were looking at buying a county house.

[@JoNarDLoLz]

Damn

[@LukSter18998]

bassed

[@rodrigoduran2394]

Hey there, just wanted to give my 2-cents, as someone who went through college (Undergrad + Grad) and is currently involved with teaching in academia. It is sad to say this, but at the end of the day, it all boils down to politics. As you mention in your video, you do not have to go to college/university at all. The only reason you are ever encouraged to go to college by anyone (expect loved ones) is because there is a monetary benefit at the end. There is a business deal between the government and schools, particularly universities. Pushing the minority train and the whole "school should be free and for everyone" only benefits politicians and those running the universities, as the money provided by the government officials, often with liberal mindsets, is then used to finance new buildings, buy the dean a new Tesla, and make the school a "better place." This does not improve the quality of the education in any way, nor encourages minorities to seek higher education. It is all a load of crap. They want to bring in people that have a higher chance of failing out of school, so that they can take the government money (or tax payers' money) and then blame the high drop-out rate on our society for being "too racist" or not "supportive enough" and continue feeding the endless cycle. I went through school as a minority and none of that supportive crap ever did anything for me. You are on your own the moment you walk in and you have to study and put in the effort if you want to succeed, just like everything in life. Also, you do make a good point when you bring up how much money you can make in some jobs that do not require a degree. However, for the same reason that my mom pushed me to go to college when I had the opportunity to do so, there is a certain lifestyle that you can enjoy if you become really good at your field. She knows the struggle of working 9 to 5 and living pay check to pay check, even when she went to a tech school and got her certifications. It is very different when you are paid for what you know, rather than what you can do (as in knowledge versus skills). Again, not saying that any job is lesser or more than any other, but being able to work in an office and making twice or three time as much as an oil rig worker just from looking at a blueprint and saying "yeah, that is not right, do it this way," really makes you feel like the investment for your education was well worth it (time and money). Again, I am sure you can get there after years of experience working your way up. Sadly, people put a lot of trust on a piece of paper. Lastly, a good majority of the faculty are actually pretty conservatives. However, you are not allowed to express or think in such a particular manner. See, this "agenda" being pushed by the school with the help of the government really affects professors. There are a lot of inner meetings and deals happening inside of the departments with respect to "who gets funded" or "who needs to go." Every department in college is like this big glob of ideals and liberal mindset that you get sucked into and you have to behave, otherwise you are out. It's scary, imagine working on a degree for 4 years, then a PhD for 5, then a post-doc for 1 or 2 more, only to find out that you are censored and the only way for you to do what you ever dreamed of is to be nice to everyone and get invited to all the coffee meetings. It is absolutely disgusting, but can you really blame the professors? Furthermore, the scholarly aspect of teaching is long gone because of this same idea. It is not about who is the best at teaching, it is about who can bring the most money to school in the form of grants, often sponsored by the government itself. Yeap, you guessed it, you better have a very diverse lab and be pretty diverse yourself, otherwise, your application might go unnoticed. Professors work crazy hours, but primarily because of the pressure from the departments. Heck, they don't even have time to become good at teaching! It is not even a requirement. As long as you can bring in tons of money to the school, you will be hold as the best and well renowned scholar and will go to full professor in no time! Anyway, just wanted to share my opinion. I agree with what you say in this video and I have been watching your videos for a while (they are amazing!). I really wish the whole school system changed and went back to being about teaching and creating scholars. As a side note, I am a controls engineer working in the aerospace industry. I got here because of government grants, so I am very grateful to all the tax payers who made it possible for me to obtain an education. However, I do think that schools have too much power and something needs to be done. Education should be free and open to everyone, but not at the expense of someone else. That is not free, that is bullshit. Sorry for the long comment, keep up the good work and I wish every single one of you out there the best of lucks in your careers!

[@DannyMexen9]

Very insightful.

[@pedrogouveia4326]

Jesus those are two big cents

[@SimGunther]

TL;DR people with weak egos raise people with weak egos to promote Marxism/defeatists/Tao cancel culture/demoralization. Those are my much smaller 2 cents.

[@ohdude6643]

It's not just a monetary based motivation. If you want to be an MD because that's part of your life plan, then you have to go to an University. So education is not just money thing.

[@PearComputingDevices]

Wasn't it Stalin who said that he could change their kids if they only gave him a few years? Kids go to public no less then 12 or 14 years then another 4 to 6 in a university and they come out as ideologues, and less educated about life. I commented above, I think you've written a fantastic comment here and hopefully my comment compliments that.

[@gadgetguy99]

I go to a technical college that is pretty much focused of getting you certifications and real life experience through internships. Personally it works for how I learn because if I sat down and just read a study guide for a certification I would fail every time. It has also gotten me a part time job as a system administrator after my internship ended which is nice. Definitely think that less people need to go to college overall though.

[@jamesbutson6347]

Same, I go to a community college. 3 years no summers off... just 3 co-op terms. I left uni to come here. Much cheaper, smaller classes and you get the chance to actually learn rather than eating some old BS some prof used back when they were doing an undergrad. To be clear, I studied CS at a top 15 uni in my country (for the program at least). Much better experience than going to a big university.

[@martinknud4145]

Well, I went to college for one reason, being able to become a scientist, what is often overlooked is the cutting edge research universities are doing. Though yes, a lot of classes are quite useless...

[@londonspade5896]

Yeah all the research jobs are in uni from my experience, I'd say that's one of the best services universities provide for humanity, a place funded and dedicated to the improvement of our knowledge.

[@gant6962]

Hey I am in a Tradeschool/High School hybrid and can confirm that It was a better choice than staying at the shitty old school. I got some certifications already as a 11th grader and plan to go into IT. Glad to see your spreading the news of the world. :)

[@Anon-tj7qb]

I was pressured to go into university, it ruined 12 years of my life. Wasing 5 years there, and 7 years after trying to get a job in that field. I took online courses on udemy instead in something different and have a good career. Wish i knew that then.

[@lentilreflection2676]

What courses did you take on udemy?

[@londonspade5896]

@@lentilreflection2676 My question too hahaha

[@SoylentGamer]

Going to college was a big eye-opener for me. The amount of time and money they insisted that I waste on useless general classes that I already took in high school apalled me, and I dropped out immediately.

[@AthanasiosJapan]

Nowadays, we have Internet and you can teach yourself almost anything for free. I decided to go to university because it is free in my country(Greece) and I wanted to learn things that will me make a better human person (philosophy etc). If university education in your country is free, why don't you try it? On the other hand, I don't recommend paying money for education. It is really sad when you see education turning into a business.

[@sodiumoverdrive1507]

@Hecantonchire s From my personal experiences with people who glorify philosophy, I'd say it actually makes you stupider. Like, you wouldn't think that going in, but it's kinda devolved into the denouncement of any of kind of truth. Basically, I could say that my philosophy is that the moon is made of cheese and it'd just as valid as many other outdated modes of thinking modern "philosophers" glorify in order to continue asking, frankly, dumb questions like questioning observable reality and pushing nihilistic perspectives on things like morality. TL;DR, philosophy, at least today, is about anything but "critical thinking".

[@AverageAlien]

Well it's not actually free, it's paid for by stolen tax payer money no doubt

[@am_staart9544]

@@AverageAlien where is the problem with that? By investing into the average education level youre increasing relative gdp and are therefore increasing standards of living.

[@bigshrekhorner]

@@AverageAlien Every service that is free is paid by tax payer money. That's what the taxes are for. To pay for services so you won't need to pay them upfront and for much more, like you'd do in America

[@bigshrekhorner]

Well, there are stuff that you cannot really learn through the Internet. For example, stuff like physics, math or engineering are nigh impossible to learn by yourself. Having a mentor, like university professors, is necessary

[@SMD1999]

Can’t be a civil engineer without a college degree. Great video though, I wish I had seen this before I graduated high school

[@50_Pence]

Yeah you can. I worked as a site manager in NZ

[@50_Pence]

@P A site engineer then to site manager on Auckland Council civil construction projects.

[@50_Pence]

@P A I understand completely.. on paper (I'm not claiming I'm and engineer or qualified as such) . The point I was trying to make was that you can engineer and work on some great civil engineering stuff without worrying about the paper or title.

[@RN1441]

I'm in my late 30s now, but looking back on the process in high-school it's sickening how poor the advice being given to young people is. @1:40 when you're saying that all of the teachers and administrators were pushing literally every person to go to college, I had the same experience and it's terrible advice. There's no consideration for factors like the cost of the degree versus the incremental pay gains you could expect, no acknowledgement that some courses have a gigantic dropout rate, nor the opportunity cost for the four plus years it's going to take you to get through if all goes well. I made it through and made a career of it, but I know a lot of people who just sort of wandered in to the campus, got chewed up by it, and are still paying off the debt nearly two decades later. Contrary to what they told us the right answer isn't that everyone should go, and those of us who made it through don't make too much more than some of the guys who chose to swing a hammer instead.

[@macky1660]

ngl I kinda didn't do shit after HS so no debt for me, but im pursuing IT certs (I have Linux+ working on net+ rn then sec+), and my associates degree in Cyber Sec (my daddy has set up a college plan in the 90s so its literally free on my end lol). Might do a bootcamp after my associates to get some actual skills and will build my resume.

[@ffffuchs]

I studied physics and have no regrets, I would go back do and do it again. The people I met, the teachers, the experience, the atmosphere, the long nights in the library, the dorm life, working on lab reports, research papers, to me it was all worth it, plus in the fields I'm interested in a degree is absolutely necessary.

[@prw56]

I don't think the video was about degrees like yours, he's talking about IT kinda jobs when he mentions certs, and when he's ragging on degrees he seemed to be talking about the statistically unprofitable degrees (i.e. something something studies, literature, History, etc.) Physics degrees probably don't have the same issue with oversupply that those kind of degrees do, or the tendency to lean left so hard. I'm guessing you ran across at least one professor that was very emphatic about the likelihood of some speculative theory in physics, those degrees have the same problem on a larger scale (with their own controversial, politically involved theories).

[@TheWizardGamez]

The video wasn’t meant to diminish highly technical fields. But something you would know is that physics isn’t particularly popular due to its work which makes it valued in the job market because it’s literally a “I’m smart, but also can do math” degree. So you’d be able to get any job that required heavy math use. But all that being said. Does your field require you to need to know Chinese pre colonial history? After taking 4 years of English in highschool. Do you need to take it again? I mean. What in the world are colleges peddling?

[@ixp8605]

Mental Outlaw = Based Gentoo Man

[@meowmrrpnyanya]

his pronouns are sigma/male

[@ixp8605]

@@meowmrrpnyanya Sigma Tip #721: Compile your own grindset (Gentillionaire Mindset)

[@christianhabermann6527]

"They are less than clueless". Brilliant!

[@unktheunk1428]

As someone who is an econ major, I can say with absolute certainly that left wing propaganda isn't present in buisness colleges, but of course it varies from department to department and teacher to teacher. Also depends on what you're considering left wing propaganda.

[@KNylen]

yeah political slant highly varies departmentally

[@dengxiaopinggaming5500]

Sociology, history and to a lesser extent philosophy are probably the only departments with a left-wing slant. Marx was absolutely influential in these departments and rightfully so, he was a genius. Others like English/literature are a wild card.

[@unktheunk1428]

@@dengxiaopinggaming5500 Cringe conflating of Marxism and left wing.

[@petergriffin3790]

My microeconics professor was the fucking best

[@IamAlexPierce]

They are , you just don’t know it

[@hanfei6871]

Personal experience, I went to a big engineering university's "appendix" liberal arts college. And it was fraustrating because - yes, the college is useless at the time. But it helped me find a passion in a career now I want to pursue, and I was able to use its resources to get into a very tough master's program building up to said career. So while ridiculing the "usefulness" of college is popular, and often times proves to be exactly useless; as long you have a sense of direction and be willing to exploit all the institutional offerings - college is always a good option.

[@crocodisle]

This. Spent almost 10 years out of high school working all sorts of jobs trying to narrow down interests or "climb the ladder." THAT was really the biggest load of bs I'd been sold growing up. You statistically can negotiate higher pay by switching companies every few years but that takes either knowing people or credentials. Experience isn't always enough to get a resume/cv through the door, what with bots filtering them and all that. More power to the people that know what they want out of life. I have historically not been one of those people, but going back to college for a degree that will at least land me close to where I think I want to be is going to give me more credibility with business partners in the long run and more options to pivot in the future than a certification can--and a degree never expires. Use the resources the college has available. You'll get good references from getting to know the faculty better and be more knowledgeable for it.

[@TheWizardGamez]

What degree did you get? Or field if you feel so coy?

[@TheBoxyBear]

Sad truth is I kinda knew college was a ripoff but my parents pressured me so much I really had to in the end, saying they would kick me out if I didn't.

[@user-rd3jw7pv7i]

Yeah, this is the sad truth about our society. Boomers didn't have access to the library that is the internet as we the young folks does, hence increasing the susceptibility to brainwashing.

[@eloquenthillbilly]

Get some IRL experience before before you decide to go to college. I would rather work with someone who is barely literate than someone who's never been outside of an institution. If your degree doesn't have a shitload of math, you aren't in law, or isn't needed for a specific job(e.g. my town pays cops VERY well but requires them to either be ex-military or have a degree) you have the wrong major. If you aren't getting a free ride go to a community college first. Community college is cheaper and IME the professors are a lot less shitty, they're used to non-traditional students who will tolerate a lot less bullshit. EDIT: There are some jobs that you wouldn't expect to need a degree but you're better off with one, agriculture comes to mind.

[@yeahthebois3617]

When I was choosing my future university program, my teacher constantly reminded me to always check the lecturers/tutors of that programme since that was what I was paying for. She told me content and amenities is something you can find anywhere but the mentors are unique. Now I’m doing a dual Bachelors/Masters degree and happy with how I’m progressing since Ive got trusted mentors

[@JoNarDLoLz]

Definitely this. Although coming from highschool, and going to college, it's really hard to appraise the professors for choosing your uni

[@gamesux420]

Stuff like plumbing or bricklaying make a good amount of money and dont require a degree, and theyre also future proof jobs. People are gonna need houses, people are gonna need plumbing. Its not something you can replace.

[@adrianaleon2220]

I really enjoy hearing you podcast-style. Please consider sharing your ideas in podcast format! Anyhow, really enjoying all the content.

[@SaltandDragons]

When i was studying Japanese a couple of years ago i started by learning by myself trough just watching raw anime and buying raw manga and learning hiragana and such and it was a blast. After a year or so i decided to study at college/uni and i absolutely hated it, the pace was insane which is not good for learning, the exams did not properly test the student's abilities at all and had strange and just really stupid rules. Almost all students in the class struggled immensely, (some quit) and i seriously started to dislike Japanese and almost quit altogether. Fast forward a couple of years of just immersion, sentence mining, reps and focusing on doing what i like i have gotten good enough to both work and live in Japan and having a blast. (And yes the teachers where bitter, like real bitter.)

[@LachlanThompson-qi5yc]

Based 外国人

[@feleous5081]

Here in Denmark its great, cuz it’s free. And it’s much more specialized.

[@honkhonk8009]

Whats with European mfs talking about their country in only positive light. Denmark Uni's are subpar compared to American ones. This is coming from a Canadian. Whats with you European people being physically incapable of actually analyzing your country and criticizing it. I doubt your universities are the flawless utopia you people make shit out to be. Borderline nationalism. Its hilarious because you people are normally the ones clowning on americans for being nationalist. "My country has done no wrong" sounding ass lmfaoo

[@RetroPlus]

@@honkhonk8009 One word, Lego

[@seetheious9879]

It really depends on the field, there is such a high demand and low supply for IT now that yes, you don't have to worry about competing in order to still get invited at some point but if things change to where there are 80 applicants per jobposting then they are going to pick and choose the highest amount of workexperience and the highest degree.

[@pokpok97642]

yeap, if everyone is doing IT and theres more determined people abroad which will work for lower pay you gotta consider if its really the way to go

[@zerohero5753]

@@pokpok97642 That's a big issue in IT. My Uncle's entire department got laid off by the foreign employees/contractors from India they trained just because they are much cheaper and can speak communicate in English perfectly. If you are in countries like Germany then you are better positioned for IT since the language isn't widely spoken outside of the country so you aren't at risk of being outsourced.

[@girlfriendcita]

As someone currently studying Veterinarian medicine. You only really need a college degree for a traditional STEM job. Thats it. Anything else can be self taught for the most part.

[@zerohero5753]

Yeah and they are a requirement in the first place. No jobs will specifically require a lot of the Arts/Human degrees and if they do it's usually museum jobs that are basically non-existent because there is virtually no demand for it.

[@poisenbery]

I actually hit my head as a 2 year old and cracked my skull open. If it happens early enough and a "non essential" part of the brain is damaged, it is possible that OTHER parts of the brain become over-developed. I'm a super freak at math and physics, and I have a very strong physics based educational/vocational background, but I struggle socially. I also have a history of mental illness. Over-developed DOES mean faster abilities to compute complex problems, but it also means that the neural pathways are more likely to form connections that would not form in a "regular" brain. Connecting dots that should not connect in any logical sense, but it happens anyway. A lot of brilliant scientists fall into mental disarray nearing the end of their lives. It is also extremely difficult to relate to anybody because the thoughts happen so fast, that verbal expression of them is almost impossible. Before I get the chance to speak about what is on my mind, my mind has already shifted between 5 other topics. It honestly really sucks. :(

[@allseeingirene]

you seem so sweet and smart and i hope ur doing okay ilysm omg that sounds awesome :O ur great and i hope you can find a way to express yourself at that right rate ^_^

[@migerrancan554]

Have u thought about shrooms? It induces neuroplasicity so you can nudge your brain in the right direction

[@Bradleybrookwood]

I dropped out of college because I wasn't going to deal with professors bullying me and beating me and abusing me and hitting me. I'm not going to spend the rest of my life being abused as a person with disabilities. Thankfully the stuff I want to do doesn't require a college degree. It requires talent.

[@_DIARIES]

⁠@@Bradleybrookwoodprofessors hitting you? Or hitting on you?

[@breadm8101]

I remember saying in class "I don't believe I should go to college" and some coach just said "oh you're just lazy" and I just said "oh you are just marketing for a college so the school makes more money" and he didn't make a argument against it😂

[@jakdan6598]

I regret being in college now. I’m learning a lot of bullshit that doesn’t even correspond with my degree. One thing to add is that college is heavily theory based in many of their majors. I haven’t even gotten to point where I learn something actually useful. Things like learning how to code, I could’ve went to a boot camp and learned how to do it myself. In honesty college is dumb unless you are going to be nurse, engineer, doctor, or lawyer

[@dangquesadilluhs]

So glad I found your channel man! I'm also in networking and this video absolutely resonated with me on several levels!

[@Retired.Hero.]

It's all dependent on what you're trying to do in life. Going to college is just as valid as going to a trade school or getting certified in something. I wouldn't blindly tell every child to go to college, but I'd encourage them to really consider what job they want in the future and learn the requirements for that profession.

[@rocotaco5517]

I learn that college wasn't for me the hard way after paying for the first semester and I learned barely anything at all. Also I didn't even plan to go to college in the first place I was kinda pressured into it, but during my second semester when covid hit I saw that as an opportunity to quit college by far the best decision I made. I doing a lot better off than I ever was in college

[@TUWANN]

"im not gonna go too deep into that" -guy that just spent a third of the vid talking about it

[@anobody4853]

Well said dude! I love your videos and I agree on everything you say, I watch all of your content and support you fully. This video definitely applies to me and I'm looking to just instead get a certification rather than a degree. I always was skeptical of college since middle school, and we were right man.

[@jcsd0]

Bro I’ve never seen a content creator which I could agree in almost all Subjects. People like you should get more attention from the average public. So proud of you and keep doing this. If you see this comment. Thank you for all 🙏🏻

[@EliteSniperTV]

everything taught in college is in books, or online. learning how to learn is a better skill tbh. don't feed the scam lol

[@Kamiyaa]

Great video! One thing I think you got wrong is the IQ test. I recommend reading the book Late Bloomers by Rich Karlgaard. He goes in depth on all sorts of tests such as IQ, SAT, etc. And the conclusion was that an iq test is merely a snapshot of a person’s capabilities at the time, rather than a fixed value throughout one’s lifespan. And the misperception that people can’t change is very damaging to “late bloomers” or people that achieve success later than usual. In either case, IQ tests (or any test that tries to standardize the human factor) are flawed and aren’t a good measure of one’s capabilities.

[@vgamedude12]

That isn't true at all. And one book doesn't discredit a hundred years of verifiable and repeatable studies on the veracity and value of IQ.

[@Kamiyaa]

@@vgamedude12 It's one book that talks about many studies. I'm curious about these studies you mentioned. Could you provide some?

[@vgamedude12]

@@Kamiyaa Do you think it's just pure coincidence that after a hundred years of scrutiny and criticism IQ is still a valid measure all this time after? Even in western countries with taboo on scientific reality when it questions post ww2 race myths? There is a reason China for instance has no such drawbacks in regards to these studies and what people call "r*ce r*alism" in the west is the defacto position there and race denial does not exist. The only reason IQ is scrutinized is political ideology fueled racial egalitarians. That is it. It is telling that even in countries where this sort of thinking is at it's highest IQ is STILL used in relevant fields because it's that good. There is a reason that no intelligence researcher worth their salt for instance will echo criticisms of IQ that are portrayed on MSM for example. I can link articles mentioning multiple studies if they're still up.

[@Kamiyaa]

@@vgamedude12 I see. I believe my original argument was that IQ tests are a snapshot, and to a lesser extent that IQ tests are flawed. I'm probably wrong on the flawed part, in that its be a good indicator for intelligence. But I think the snapshot part still stands and thats the main idea I wanted people to take away. In that people can better themselves over time. Of course there are always edge cases where they have medical conditions or something. Or were you saying I'm wrong for both?

[@vgamedude12]

@@Kamiyaa iq is flexible to a degree but not insanely so. I have seen for example people getting a temporary 5 point iq boost after they have done alot of studying or something. Generally these boosts are in portions of the iq test that are hollow for G. G Is the most important part of an iq test. The iq test itself is great and all but what is more important is how the number correlates with G.

[@derekaleman1921]

you're a rolemodel to me. thank you for making these videos.

[@TheArnoldification]

FWIW electrical engineering seems like a decent proposition. Lots of my friends were in the C range GPA wise when they graduated and still got jobs anywhere between immediately (through job fairs most likely) and a few months. In particular for signals I would have no idea how someone would be capable of learning that stuff on their own lol

[@justasydefix6251]

Im also an EE and I find college quite important to expose yourself to the theorical side of engineering. I mean EE is so abstract, if you learn it on your own you will be technician at best. Im not saying that experience is not needed but what Im trying to say is that you can benifit more from the experience if you know whats going on theorically.

[@miteshkumar5557]

Yeah, this vid is BS. I feel like being a "contrarian" is a euphemism for having a mental illness or being lazy or an underachiever. Not wanting to go to college and instead getting a network engineering certification is clearly just an example of instant gratification. You won't be valued at your company, and you won't see much compensation growth or job security. You can easily get an electrical engineering or a computer science degree and make at least 200k upon graduating and at least 500k mid-career. Going to college is a no-brainer.

[@TheArnoldification]

@@miteshkumar5557 there's no way you're going to make 200k on graduation as an electrical engineer. 60k is about average for entry level and 80-100+k for senior positions.

[@miteshkumar5557]

@@TheArnoldification I did EE at an average state school and am making that much. Want to dial down on your misinformation?

[@TheArnoldification]

@@miteshkumar5557 Do you live in a bay area? That's the only scenario I can conceive salaries being that high which is cancelled out by higher costs of living. The figures I stated are around where the national average is and what I've seen from my own experience.

[@unknownsoldier4156]

I started college for IT Application and Development and found that I do indeed enjoy coding. I'm not very proficient but I like building computers and maintaining legacy networks as a hobby so that's what I went for. BUT. I found that while I did really well in challenging classes like C#, Java, Database development, and IBMi RPG programming...the math, business, and phycology classes really bored the hell out of me. To the point that I dropped out. I already do kinda what I want to at my work..and everything else I do as a hobby. Somehow I got convinced to go back. I regret it. Not much money spent but I'm ready to just cut the cord. I've already got a foot in the door for E&I/Automation level network maintenance. I also find I learn concepts/programming better when I actually want to do it. Not when I'm forced to.

[@SmartWarthog]

Recommended reading: Economization of Education, by Joel Spring.

[@honkhonk8009]

These authors really just take some basic ass concept and try to make some 99999 page book on it.

[@spaceecks1793]

im actually a sophomore in high school right now, thanks for the advice. i think i still am going to college though (mostly because im planning to be one of those college-only professions) but i will be sure to tread carefully!

[@ABQSentinel]

This is one of the best videos about the nature of college that I have ever seen. Like you, I'm in Network Security. I went all the way through to getting a Master Degree to learn that I didn't even need a college degree to do what I'm doing now. I wish I would have seen this video when I was in high school (though that was before you were born). Honestly, this video should be mandatory for all high schoolers today.

[@niccage6375]

I never went to college, mostly because I didn't do well in regular school. I even took the assisted classes and I barely graduated. So I know I won't do better in college where there is barely any help and deadlines are Stricter. Also I don't know what I want to do for the rest of my life.

[@iuulia9245]

the way public schools are funded seems like a vicious cycle if anything, certain schools do worse in those "scores", therefore get less funding making them worse at educating people lowering the scores even further

[@dakistle]

Dude...bro...this channel is stellar. I recently found you and am now digging through the back catalog.

[@new_aether]

Your channel is literarly the most interesting thing i have found on youtube maybe beside physics and astronomy :p thank you for your work

[@princemjmc]

You're cool dude i support all your points :)

[@processorbot8761]

nice point about the state funding

[@N0tAFed]

banger after banger after banger, your videos are great! I'd come to this conclusion long ago, but trust me when I say that there's a lot of people out there that need to hear what you're saying in this video

[@WHAT-GRINDS-MY-GEARS]

You are excellent at teaching. I'm a technical blogger, and I learn a lot from you. Since I write about Linux distributions. Good stuff. The face behind the channel.

[@joeyk3134]

The HR person might not be hiring you but the listing they designed will be used by their application software to filter through people.

[@kueapel911]

There was a time when I value college highly. I entered software engineering major and I came out not only a software engineer, but also a critical thinker with broader world view from my previous self, free to find my own path in life. For me, that worth way more than the software engineering knowledge itself. It makes me grow from a whiny little kid into a man. Today, I value college lower than a piece of moldy bread. Not only I never value the technical knowledge they teach that much, but also because now, they force kids into a certain ideological ideas and they sanitize their environment from any real world hardship. The kids came out of college just like how you'd expect kids came out of "safe spaces", still a kid.

[@0wO]

Might need to think about it, thanks for the talk

[@bigbones916]

Bro you have quickly became one of my favs to watch!

[@PearComputingDevices]

I found you channel about a month ago I must say I really enjoy the fact your down to earth. Might not be "politically correct" but I think your mostly correct my friend. I've been in IT for over 20 years. I started college but I never seen the point after getting a decent job. I am glad that I took that path. Sure, I gave up some friends and I let down my mom and dad in a way but I am not suffering from high amounts of debt and being disconnected.. college does this to a lot of people. Rodrigo Duran makes this point I think better then I could but I must give a hat tip to his comments here.

[@marksmod]

I disagree with college being just a place to get a degree with which you can get more money in life. If that were the case, I would be programming 9 to 5 right now, making my 60 to 90k a year and be quite happy with it. For quite a few people the institue college is an end goal in itself, for the pursuit of their curiosities, especially if you are interested in the harder sciences like math, physics and chemistry. Admittedly, I wouldn't study math in the US, at least not immediately (way too expensive, way too risky). For anybody contemplating major-ing in mathematics: do the first semester or two outside of college, try to get a copy of the exams and have a friend who is majoring in math correct it after you worked through Calc I, II, III differential equations and Linear Algebra (which will probably take you at least half a year), if you get more than 45%, attempt to study math in university.

[@KyriosHeptagrammaton]

And then you go on Khan academy and realise that they have way better teachers for free.

[@MushookieMan]

I don't think anyone seriously proposes that attending college raises your IQ. It raises your knowledge. It may not be an economically efficient way to do it, but it was necessary for me because I don't know how to do self directed study well.

[@strange498]

I love your videos. Your channel needs more attention. So that's why I am commenting

[@auseeker726]

A friend of mine who is a retired geophysicist and mathematician and has also been a teacher said to me that formal education stifles creativity.

[@danielz2787]

Trade chads rise up!

[@MrEdrftgyuji]

@Lee Smith EU is a joke that will collapse in the next ten years.

[@migkillerphantom]

@Lee Smith where in the EU? It's not one country

[@migkillerphantom]

@@MrEdrftgyuji the EU is a system of international treaties that has fuck all to do with college

[@kot3405]

>Russia will take over most of EU >implying NATO wont do shit >implying even if nato collapses Russia is powerful enough >implying countries wont just leave EU like UK i'd love to die in war against russia though so i hope youre right

[@nigerianprince4017]

Yoo

[@user-df1gs1kf8w]

What a well constructed video. I wish this was published like two earlier.

[@photonq2157]

Very nice! This guy knows what is talking about.

[@YouKnowMeDuh]

In all actuality, I feel like I go to college just so I can go to work, since the job I have is for students only since it's on campus. Plenty of learning on the fly. Plenty of opportunities to branch out into different projects more along the IS track than IT. I do not plan on doing very much with my degree once I graduate, but I would love to use what I've learned at my job. I feel like it would have been perfect if what I do now was in the form of just an entry level position at an actual company, unrelated to my position at a university, although who knows if I'd have learned as much as quickly. I've learned quite a bit from my manager and coworkers, and I don't expect to go anywhere else and find people who are just as willing to impart their knowledge that would push me to get to their level of skill/expertise. I don't particularly like college, and I wouldn't ever say that everyone needs to go to college. That is definitely not the case. I strongly agree with people going into trades. STEM has been pushed very hard and people typically rarely even mention trades, but they are very much so needed in our society regardless.

[@hunderslash]

About a year ago I took an IT class (I was still high school age so it didn’t cost much) and half of the curriculum was public KZbin videos. I learned more from those than from reading the actual textbook (that I had to pay for lol)

[@hudbaoir3610]

I wish I saw this 3 years into the past. Thank you for sharing the advice.

[@Vid_Master]

Great ideas and ive observed the same things. You've earned a new subscriber :D

[@ward2526]

this dude slowly becoming my favorite youtuber!

[@silverismoney]

I can 100% without a doubt say that my college degree was just a piece of paper with my name on it that got my foot in the door at some very low paid jobs and start-ups. After almost two decades in the IT industry I now interview and hire people and I don't give a shit if you went to college or not; if you can answer the questions in the interview, and demonstrate that you know the principles .. you're in. College was fun don't get me wrong, it taught me a few bits about being academic and making papers etc, but my entire technical knowledge is self-taught and I will treat anyone else self-taught the same as I will with degrees, all that matters in this field is that you know your shit, and you continue to keep it up to date.

[@alexander1989x]

This guy = Legend

[@Kid420]

I completely agree with you here, I know I won't be going to college as it seems pretty wasteful for my target career path.. I just hope I won't change my mind because of all the peer pressure & teachers shoving in my mind the "fact" that it's the only way to succeed in life.

[@Hydraxouz]

I went to college for a software development degree. I graduated with my associates degree and about 85% of my time and work spent in college had absolutely nothing to do with software development or technology at all. Overall I left feeling like I have just wasted my time and money learning things I could have taught myself in a month or two. One example was a class in which I "learned" C++ where in fact 90% of the work was writing about beginner level generic programming concepts and 10% of it was writing programs an eight year old could figure out. In the time window of my attendance of that class, I taught myself a huge amount of Lua for a hobby project and learned 100 times more about Lua than any class taught me about other languages during my enrollment. There goes nearly two years of my life and a massive amount of money which I could have used to actually help me in life.

[@betochiwas]

I am happy that I learn in college more technical stuff and not "about life" stuff, I studied in my country (Mexico) and most classes were just technical.

[@Sinisterene]

You're a good guy Subscribed 👍

[@vinnytrixter3981]

Truth as usual dude , keep it up

[@DarkLink606]

Every single phrase said in this video is true. Here in Brazil (as usual) the state of Academia is even more desolating. Not only is everyone expected to go to college (because so), but it is treated as a civil right. Elementary and high school education is garbage, just see any international Index like Pisa, we're behind much poorer countries in basic skills such as reading and math. And yet, government policy has been for years "stuff everybody into college no matter what". I guess it is not hard to figure out how things have turned south. Scorched earth. Specially in the humanities. In humanities... Look, if you are a reasonable and intelligent Brazilian young man or lady who loves humanities and are willing to follow an academic career, teaching, researching, attending congresses, with all of it's bullshit... Go for it. But be prepared for hell. We arrived at a point where even truth and reason are regarded as colonialist, racist concepts, science is Nazi, and "revenge against oppressors" is the ultimate goal. Professors who spend lecture time pushing ideology and dead theories are adored, honest professors are disrespected, gangs of students can coerce and intimidate those who think differently, both in private and public institutions, organize strikes and forbid students from attending classes, that's in any institution, anywhere in the country... It doesn't help that their polar opposite, the right-wing nuts presently at the government, are getting ever nastier. Actually, better thinking, don't go for it unless you are masochist or something.

[@exu_skully8728]

Fellow Brazilian here and yeah it like this here, also king you could change "humanities" to "human sciences" or "non-stem fields" for better comprehension

[@resofactor]

I may be off on my figures, but if I recall correctly... I believe I'd seen that the AVERAGE drop-out rate of college enrollees that NEVER make it through under-grad is like 70% or worse.

[@Proditae]

Love you, thanks =)

[@spiridood5668]

I agree the cost of college in many cases is not worth the cost and will not make you more money than if you just applied yourself at certifications or just teaching yourself what you want to learn. But I think there is incredible value in a community specifically catered toward building young people up, in their confidence with the social aspects of college as well as just having people to learn with. There is also value in taking classes that aren't necessarily in your field. I genuinely had no clue about the history of the United States even though I thought I did from high school. I have perspective on things that I would not have without those 'useless' college classes. I learned how to articulate my thoughts and actually get something from readings in a way many people will never be able to. Maybe I could have read some books on my own to learn this stuff but the advantage of college is that it teaches you a lot about the world FAST. And you get to do it while developing intellectually and socially in an environment catered to YOU. Whether it is really worth it for the crazy price tag is still questionable Ill admit. I really do not like that all we think we are learning for is money or a job, people are so oblivious to the history of the world or all the life changing things that are said in literature and writing in general. We all take our political opinions from social media because many people literally do not have the skills to understand the state of our world from what our politicians are saying or from other people experiencing the world in a different way. But learning is NOT just for being good citizens, and it should not be only about money. The world is so big and there are so many interesting people, we should not limit our learning to the purpose of money but to things we enjoy and find interesting. I hope it is not becoming something only rich people have access to.

[@silence3178]

I'd love to hear some more advice on getting into a good tech job with no college. Currently in one and no tech classes. Just BS

[@5dful]

I agree with most of what you said up until the "marxist ideology" thing. I don't know what the situation in the US is but I think it is very sad that the idea of "going to college" has been reduced to "finding a job" and that is very sad. Going to college should be about broadening your horizons, learning the subject you want to learn and hopefully coming out with more questions rather than answers. The "finding a job" mentallity is just a really simplistic way of thinking about it and, from my perspective, just capitalistic propaganda... being conditioned to accept the status quo and "oh you're going to work for a big company and that's so great ☺️" as how someone should live their lives. Sure some people blindly accept leftwing, rightwing, whateverwing propaganda without questioning, but people should be looking to learn about these ideologies, question them, take what they think is right and have meaningful and constructive conversations. This spread of ideologies can mostly happen through college and is a good thing as long as it is not a blind following without questioning. There is so much more to life than "finding a job", and certainly "finding a job" has never been the catalyst to moving humanity forward. Only free and critical thinking has been with a well rounded view of the world.

[@5dful]

oh and this is why college should be 100% free (European here). Fuck the "value/money" that you're gonna "get out of it".

[@AcidiFy574]

@@5dful how is it free??

[@5dful]

@@AcidiFy574 because the government pays for them

[@AcidiFy574]

@@5dful Oh now it makes total sense Now, I get why Europe has gone to hell😂

[@nahrafe]

That left wing thingie, maybe he said that because it happened mostly in college age level. It's a real thing though, like being doctrined that the public hates you, etc. It's something like "im gay" "thats ok for you, but im not gay" "ok, what do you mean? Is it not good for me? Hey this man is homophobic!" (Cmiiw)

[@EmmanuelIstace]

I kinda understand the US schooling system is way different than here (where most college/uni cost nothing and/or are free, if we put food/rent/etc appart) so in regard of the price, can't really tell, but one big important point I only figured over time (and in fact when I started college) is the difference between "practical" and "fundamental" knowledge, and I think that line also exist over the atlantic. The first will be marketable, a bit like certifications, you'll find job today, but it's "too close from implementation", by that I mean, you have a CCNA (I guess, for a net engineer, kindof the default one, even I planned to pass it, despite being on the software side), you're tighten to a specific company and for a certain period of time on specific products. There was a point where IBM and SAP certifications could be achieved by people with really low technical understanding, because it was mostly applying procedure, I was in a company with a collegue full of fun stories about those IBM/SAP consultant being lost if the problem hadn't been figured out for them previously. That's done to meet the need of the market at a certain point in time (and mostly using certain products, not even certain techs), and it's a big business too, but in 10 years, that today cert will be mostly useless, as opposed to fundamental knowledges, that don't have practical immediate use, unless you work on them, then you don't consume a product or apply procedure, but create those product and procedure, and most of the time, those fundamental knowledge, that could sometimes be seen as outdated as well, will still be valid in decades, cause it's the abstract concept behind that matter, not the implementation used to teach them, it's a bit more about "how did I learned to think in my field ?". In here, college is usually closer to market need and uni is more "abstract" knowledge and wider topics, college teach you how to please the market at a certain time, uni teach you how to think and reflect by yourself on your field, usually with a goal of ending in research field or management. I had colleagues that did both, and you clearly see the difference (for my part, I started but never validated my diploma, yet could worked more than a decade as a .net dev before rage quitting that dumb industry, even tho I started working as a dev before starting college), also, a lot of great schools will upload those fundamental knowledges classes online, I still remember a compiler class from a uni of my country that blowned my mind when I was 18, understanding a bit how to design a language and a compiler, all the intricacies, etc... when I got to college, a course like that would be way above the general level of understanding and would be seen as "useless" ("hey, I'll never have to write a compiler, even more with lex and yacc, I want to write usefull stuffs", was kind of the general mentality). And in the US, there's a lot of those classes available for free online, we never know enough/too much ^^ (and just a reminder, I'm actually talking about the system here, but I'm certain there's some bridge that can be created to the us system from what I heard in this video)

[@spitfire4473]

This dude is god sent